Point of View

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Point of View - Season 3, Episode 6

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[0:00] Music.

[0:12] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast. My name is Jeff Akin and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time. And I'm Brent Allen and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time. But for the very first time, I am looking for those Stargate messages. What is it Stargate is trying to teach us? Is it giving us hope that things are going to be better in the future? Is it holding up a mirror to society? or is it just teaching us how we can be better human beings to one another? But this week we're watching the sixth episode, the third season, Point of View. Last week I predicted that this is going to be an episode where we see everything happen from the point of view of the Gould. So we'll get some insight into their culture and how they work. Over here on the side, SG1 will be doing some SG1 thing, but we'll be on the Gould's point of view for the whole thing. I'm excited to see if that's what it is. That'd be awesome if that's what it is. But why don't you tell us some details about point of view? Well, Jeff, you are a good guesser. Oh, sure. Yeah. Today's episode is the sixth episode of season three point of view. Original air date, July 30th, 1999.

[1:20] Written by show creators, John Glasner and Brad Wright. Directed by Peter Deloise. Jeff, this is the creme de la creme. This is the A team. Right. Of Stargate. A reminder, Peter Deloise likes to put himself in his shows with cameos. Very alfred hitchcock-esque or what's that dude's name m night shamalan yeah whatever anyway so we'll be on the lookout for him i'll try to point him out if i see him for you uh but with that jeff it's time to get into this episode buddy like right now like right now i love it let's do it like right now all right hey listen if you guys are joining us for the very first time first of all welcome you're awesome you're amazing we love that you're here the way this works is jeff and i are going to go watch this episode like now right now we're going to watch it together if you're hanging out with us on youtube stick around you're going to catch the reaction we'll do the reaction we're going to record ourselves watching it and they'll do do the whole reaction thing if you want to see the full unedited version of that though head over to our patreon page at patreon.com slash i love that so much sorry i said like revel in hearing that for a second if you're listening to this on a podcasting app you're about to gate into the future where you're going to hear brent and myself do the podcast thing right where i share my first time reactions brent shares the sci-fi messages and uh you get to hear all of our analysis about this thing so brent let's do it let's start.

[2:34] Point of view oh area okay okay what's it area 51 jeff do you know a lot of things you organize that you organize that thing right there that's the the chair from gamekeeper that like basically we're in the prop room i was gonna say yeah this is like a where's waldo of stuff i don't recognize it because it's from gamekeeper and went ahead and other world in that one some moon rock.

[3:14] Major, come on! I'm going to go back for the general! I can't shut it down. I won't find it. We go again. We have to go now. Is this like that star trek tos episode where they like they're in the library and they can jump into different time places and you sure this is the right one to go to Sam and Kowalski? Anywhere is better than the alternative. Are you noticing anything here that you know, Jeff? I guess we'll see about that. I'm looking at the people. Yeah, that is Sam and Kowalski. Long hair and Kowalski. Kowalski got quite a haircut. Do it now! Call it a plus, though. It's all high in time.

[3:52] I'm Dr. Samantha Carter from the SGA. This is Major Kowalski. SGA, that's the mirror universe thing. I thought this might have been a time travel thing, but this is going to be Stargate, another Stargate mirror universe. They're coming back from, they got destroyed by the Gould or were going to get destroyed. Yeah. Were, maybe, possibly. You don't know what happened after Daniel left. Maybe somebody rose up and overthrew the evil Terran Empire and instituted a new thing of peace or went wrong. Some intendant who, you know, was watching over everything. Jack. It's me, it's Sam. Uh-huh. I never expected this variation. You're alive. Don't feel so bad colonel everybody around here is telling me the same thing this is major charles kowalski in almost every physical respect his blood work his dental records except i'm not supposed to be alive in this reality any more than you are in mine huh almost every respect you say, sorry sir well you know a couple of the same with us here is it you know shenanigans as a teenager and something's gonna get messed up anyone want to let me know what the hell's going on here They appeared a few hours ago in a Nellis high security lockup. That quantum mirror you got locked up at Area 51. When we come from, the ghouls just took over the world, Carl.

[5:10] There you go, Jeff. Yep. It just took over. Two years later. Look, I told you this. What do I know? Everything. We've been through this. Let's go through it again. Oh, for crying out loud. No! It's a big round thing. I'd say we count it. It takes you to other planets. There's no Jack in her universe, so it's probably her. She's the Jack. Well, as I was going to say, it's definitely a reference to Jack. Until yesterday, when the Gould came and started taking over every major city from orbit and making slaves of the population. This Carter is from an alternate, alternate reality? Apparently. According to quantum theory, for every possible universe, there are an infinite number of variations diverging at every choice we make like forks in the road. All right, so it's possible there's an alternate version of myself out there that actually understands what the hell you're talking about.

[5:58] They've asked to be debriefed. what the hell is he doing here now see look oh heads up probably would have been smart yeah but it doesn't here hold on let me talk about this oh um yeah no no no you are the visiting person from another reality you don't get to set you don't get to run and be like i'm gonna beat this guy up for being here because he's one of the bad guys not here you don't know anything about this situation right here and yeah he could just be a soldier he could just be whatever we don't know what he's been through on the other side but you you can be an adult you don't have to be a a forward thinking whatever you just be a grown-up about this like also they could have given him a heads up hey just so you know you're gonna see another sam carter in there and you're gonna see a jaffa yeah hopefully that's okay with you like and if not you need to stay back over here yeah you're not gonna go in earlier they should have told jack oh remember that guy kowalski remember him yeah he's like in the movie and then he was in the the first two episodes.

[6:59] Yeah he's here now like he's gonna come through give him a heads up just a little heads up right seems like just a little bit of talking a little bit of briefing or deep briefing would go a long way yeah a lot daniel jackson also a member of sg1 have a seat major tell him general look at that he doesn't care what universe he's from and i wonder how chain of command works like cross universe like still your superior officer doesn't care he's gonna lay it down he'll slap it on the table and be like look this is my command nice hair.

[7:33] Uh, Air Force. Fortunately for us, Dr. Jackson was able to return with intelligence that enabled SG-1. I love how Jack is completely confused, also tracking everything. Nice. It goes a long way to explain why yours was one of only a handful of alternate realities that looked like it hadn't been overrun by the Gould. You think your being in the Air Force could have made that big a difference? Yes. No, I just said it made a contribution. And therefore, I didn't. Ladies. And so now it's my fault. You're saying it's my fault. We're in this reality together. Sorry, Jeff. I know people in real life that do that. We want to stay. That is if we're wanted. We have some questions. Like... We just left behind everyone we know. Everyone we ever cared about.

[8:16] Let's talk about this chip on your shoulder. Jeff. Alt Sam. I know I've seen this episode 47 times. Of course. I truly don't remember how this episode turns out. Okay. I'm laying that out right now. Say whatever you want. I don't remember how this episode turns out. Here's what i do know i've watched enough sci-fi you're gonna catch this too if they stay in this universe there's also a sam and even a kowalski whatever bad stuff's gonna happen through quantum whatever because you got too many atoms and you can't have two of the same thing in one deal for very it's the whole uh uh michelle yo character from discovery kind of a thing the georgio thing in a different yeah like something's gonna be futzing with whatever you can't stay you can't You can't have two of the same person in the same universe for very long. That's like, that's like sci-fi TV show rule number one, because we don't want to keep doing doubles for the rest of the series. Right. So that happens. Or one of the two pairs decides to sacrifice themselves for the other one. So yeah. Hey, we'll take you on. It's going to be great. And then near the end, it's like, I'll take the hit for you and you go on and do the thing. And the way this is set up.

[9:24] The way this is set up, it's going to be Alt Sam because she's already coming in with a chip on her shoulder. She's playing the victim. And so she's going to have a change of heart and grow. And then Sam, Prime Sam is going to be left with this. You know, I could have been this. And I'm still my, would I have had the courage to do what Alt Sam did? Yeah. Or, you know, sometimes you go the other way where the Harry Kimway, where the Prime one has to die and sacrifice themselves. Yeah. And the alt one gets to come in and replace them with the prime cast. Yeah. And just, yeah, here I am. Yep. Yep. And then you kind of get this like, well, wait, am I, or am I not? Am I, or am I not? And then we never discuss it again after. Ever. The end of that 47 minutes, we're finished. But like Tulk said, which reality is real? What is real? How do we know anything is real? You know what's real? We need to press this button so we can keep going on. We really do. I'll speak with my supporters and make a determination For now, you'll be assigned temporary accommodation.

[10:30] Aww Alt-Sim had a family Who is it? Is it Jack? It's Jack, And they had a kid I should probably be Stay I don't think that's a good idea That's probably not a good idea Except she's not under his command. You're dealing with a loss right now. Yeah, but she's under extreme trauma. They call that a hysterical bond. Yes, you are. Not funny hysterical. You're the only one who can. Look. Oh, man. I know you well enough to know that you don't have a clue what to say. She's going to sacrifice herself. Sam's going to have questions about her courage. And Jack's going to have questions about, do I love Sam? Is that a thing?

[11:18] You're a good guesser bud well don't forget okay so track it they have already kissed right yeah you know flirted with each other a little bit in that one episode, Carter yes sir do you want to go out for dinner how are you doing with this twin thing that's an excellent question that is good leadership right there, do you have a couple hours make the time, Good night, sir. Good night, Major. I like how he's protecting them both. Yeah. You know what I mean? She's good. Hey, I'm here for you. Like, he's got it all. It's got to be like, just, it's got to be wild for him. So much to, so much to think about.

[12:02] Oh, yeah. There it is. Because my atoms don't belong in this universe. They can't stay stable for very long. That's, that's not, I've seen this episode before, Jeff. that's i've watched sci-fi dr carter has gone into some sort of convulsive shock it's this or she starts to disappear like it's those are the two things easy someone that does like she's pregnant but kowalski should be fine temporal entropic cascade failure on the cellular level yes the increased entropy generated by both of us existing in the same reality might theoretically be causing a temporal distortion theoretical anymore if she goes back the gold will kill her hey here's an idea just send her elsewhere yeah there's a lot of different planets or you have the mirror millions of people enslaved now this thing switches to the various realities if i turn it on now it should come up somewhere near the reality it was last on so we need to find a reality that's just right you might buy it oh this is where you like put a sign up or a, This is the right one. Turned it the wrong way. Since this device should be in a storage closet, my reality, dial it the other way.

[13:15] Change it. Change it. Change it. Okay. Closer. It works. Good. You know, I was just sort of thought that thing blew up. Not that it. Yep, that's right. Looks like you. Yeah. I am not fond of wearing this uniform again. Well, I'm not too fond of seeing you wear it I don't know this good as a reality close to ours. This has to be it. It's the only one that's matching your description.

[13:41] Music.

[14:09] Kill not tilk renounce apophis as a false god and join us in our deliverance of this world and i will spare you oh tilk killed tilk that was quick the idea was to sack him as i said o'neal ours is the only reality of consequence you get to decide that that is an awful viewpoint on it yeah, when i turned off the device lost its place, I have to find our reality all over again. Stay with me. Good luck. Don't pick the wrong one. Stargate through the multiverse. The place you call Betasite. 4-1-2-1 Main Street. Oh, yikes. Two. Who is this? She's captured attempting an escape, my lord. This one will not tell us the glyphs for the planet. But they've sent their leaders. Get it out with him. You might as well kill me. I would never do such a thing, Joe. I mean, it's okay. You know who's from an alternate reality. Will that mirror thing work? Come on, please.

[15:22] Yeah, the thing about trying to find your certain reality, there's got to be an infinite number of realities that look just like yours. Exactly. And it's one little snapshot of a hallway. Yeah, I know. It's against regulations, right? You should have put like a piece of paper up before you left and said, this is the right one. But wouldn't there be an infinite number of realities that also did that? That's true. Like, it's where I have problems with this infinite number of realities diverging for every choice we make. They all diverge in different places, but there's still like an SG command with the same corridor, with the same stripes on the floor. Just as there is an infinite amount of humanity. It appears that he is. And honestly, it's a gross misunderstanding of quantum physics. Of course, I sit here and speak as if I'm the world's master of quantum physics. I'm fine. I appreciate imagination. You are the master of quantum physics for this podcast. Jafar! Green hole mail! That counts. Hole mail Jafar! I wish I could be the master of it.

[16:25] Music.

[16:31] He's going to get to kill this Apophis. Alp-Pophis. How many times do we get to kill Apophis? That's what we should be counting. Yes, for real. Why do you betray me? You are a false god. I die free. Renounce your godhood or I will renounce it for you. I've always said if I ever get caught, if anything ever happens to me, like outside of just dying of natural old age, those are the last words. I want those to be my last words. Really? Lower your weapons or we will kill him. Either that or today is a good day to die. Right. I die free. Yeah, we should do that. Yeah, some comedian had a great bit where the last words are going to be, I buried the treasure.

[17:20] Who's in the snake outfit? It's going to be a surprise. Master Braytac. Oh, that'd be awesome. My first prime killed you before my very eyes. I'm feeling much better Tell me what I want to know Hey, I'd love to But I don't understand it myself Okay, I'll give it a try You see, at every point in time There are infinite possibilities And parallel reality exists for each possibility Shoot him! That's not a thought of it, Flosky! Okay, I'm guessing and Asgard. Alright. We didn't actually see the Sam like we were doing in the kitchen. We just saw him set the device up. Running away. Always saw him dial the Stargate. Did you see that, Jeff? No, I didn't see it last bit.

[18:29] Nice. Pequalski, if you don't know, that should really upset you. By the way, that made some sense. According to how game physics works, the game probably works, it should have gone. I'm at the Asgard. We guessed that. I did that. Hey, he's back to life. Remember when Star Trek had a problem with the Borg? Like, they couldn't keep bringing them in because you couldn't have the undefeated enemy, undefeatable enemy keep getting defeated. Mm-hmm. Stargate has, like, the reverse of that with the Asgard. Like, they can't keep bringing them in because they just win everything. Literally, they just, like, showed up, and the ghoul that destroyed and enslaved Earth were all in the SGA. Like, they are the deus ex machina. Mm-hmm. Hey, we're here, so you guys lose now. Goodbye for a second time. It's for the first time. Don't feel that way to me. Jack O'Neill doing goodbye for the first time. I get the same face and voice. Not a Stargate podcast. Same hand. Yeah.

[19:32] All right, guys, don't look. Kiss her. Guys, don't watch. I hope they do not. That's not right. That's not okay. That's not okay. No, but this is like the inside of the room with Sheridan and D'Lynn, with Lanier and everybody on the outside. Jack's going to step back through the mirror and go, woo-hoo. Prime Sam is watching this happen. She's literally. What do you think that's doing to the feelings and emotions for Prime Sam? Oh, my gosh. That's not okay. Is she like, ooh, or is she like. Curious. Interesting. She's Jack Curious. Yeah. He's not that bad looking of a guy. He's a great looking guy. Like, I like him enough, I guess. There is some weird sexual tension there, but, you know, whatever. It's supposed to be. Yeah, that didn't set her recovery back at all in any way. Oh, her grieving recovery? Yeah. Yeah.

[20:32] Jeff, we just watched this episode for the very first time. What did you think, buddy? I'm going to be honest with you. I was into this episode until the very end, and it all kind of fell apart for me. Just with the kiss, you mean? The kiss. Yeah. So I want to take the welcome. Hi, podcast listeners. We just finished the episode, and we got this alternate universe. We got a mirror. Well, let's call it what it is. It's a mirror universe. Alt Poffice and Alt Tilk had goatees. Particles. Mirror universe. light waves in particles there you go there you go at the exact same time electron so sorry jeff so when it comes when it comes you gotta say it you gotta say it, i kept wanting to say dots and i was like no shit they're not dots like i paid a lot of money for this degree and i'm gonna call them dots.

[21:26] Somebody will get really upset uh patreon this is why it takes four times for us to record freaking real man okay jeff let's take it back let's take it back all right jeff we've just watched this episode for the very first time talk to us about it what is your point of view on point of view i was.

[21:46] Really into this episode really into it where we had like an alternate universe is a mirror unit alt office and alternate tilk had goatees that makes this a mirror universe episode that's what it is and i was in it it was fun it was interesting and then it ended and brent the way it ended just kind of totally took me out of this whole thing and that you specifically are talking about the kiss as we witnessed or those of us who watched the video part with you witnessed the kiss yeah the kiss right we're with it up until the kiss yeah i am telling you right now you have just turned 90 of the stargate fans against you what how can any dare you how can how dare you say anything against a rare beloved jack and sam moment where they actually get to show some affection towards each other it was wildly inappropriate like that was not okay so in the alternate why i'm going into it i'm going into that they're both consenting adults why because they were consenting to something that they they weren't consenting to the same things right jack was consenting i believe to try to comfort this person who just did amazing work was very brave and lost her husband like he was trying to show compassion alt sam wanted her husband back. And that's not okay.

[23:09] I think that Jack choosing to express his compassion through a kiss was taking advantage of a grieving woman.

[23:18] Like she's three days. Alt Jack died three days ago. She watched him die. She's broken. The first thing she does when she has a moment of privacy is take out little... You know, what, three by five, whatever, five by seven. I don't even know how you measure pictures. But the old school, you know, picture thing you get developed of their family. They had a kid together. There's Jack and Sam, and they're so happy. And she is so busted up inside. She's crying the whole time she's in there. Jack knows this.

[23:47] He walks in on her and talks to her as she's crying. They talk about it. They have a moment. And it was the moment they had was beautiful, right? He was totally appropriate. it where like he's like okay so this is how things were i get it all right fine and then he ran into prime sam he's like yeah don't she's she's good also how are you like it was just awesome he was taking care of everybody but that moment when he kissed her i think he was completely taking advantage of her i completely disagree how i don't i completely disagree i the way i see the way i saw that the way i interpreted that is jeff how do you feel about jane wayne chakotay They're great coworkers and friends, and that's all they should ever be. There's no ship there. There's no romantic relationship there. Sometimes you disappoint me, Jeff. Did you miss the entirety of the episode resolutions? And then any time that they were in a conversation privately together past that point? And everyone reads in the tension that's not actually there? It is actually there. No. How did you feel about Picard and Crusher? Yeah, that was honestly, I don't like it.

[24:53] I liked it before when it was teased and there was tension around it, but then in Picard where they made it pay off, it's like, Oh no, no, no, Maybe what we're learning about Jeff is that he's not, uh, I'm not into relationships on TV.

[25:08] Jeff, anyone who's been around Babylon five for the first time for any amount of time since like season one of Babylon five ought to be familiar with that particular concept by now. That's true. That's true. That's not a dig at you. That's just. That's how I see it. I guess you don't need, it doesn't have to be a romantic relationship between a man and a woman for them to like have a connection. And I think that boiling it down to that, as TV still does, just completely neuters the idea of like professional relationships, platonic relationships. It artificially creates sexual tension where there isn't any in real life for people because they feel like there should be some. When I can just be cool with someone who's another gender than I am. It can be fine. Or the same gender as me. I can just be cool with people. Jeff, Jeff, buddy. I'm up with people. Jeff, let me ask you a question. Here's a question for you. In high school. I'm not talking about adult Jeff. I'm talking about high school Jeff. That's going back a little bit. All right. Were you a geek? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I was such a geek that I was a metalhead and a geek. You were a metalhead. You were cool. You were whatever. You were in band playing drums. True. You cannot be a geek playing drums.

[26:24] Unless you're playing kettle drums. And even then, that's still pretty badass.

[26:28] That's still like you're cool. lower end of cool but you're still there but you're still cool okay jeff you gotta understand the guys writing these episodes they got friend zoned so much they were writing out their friends like they're writing out their unrequited you know interest into these characters just because the guys who played clarinet and marching band are writing this doesn't make it okay to to do Like, I, I don't know. I just, maybe I'm too far on this thing, but I, I, I don't think so. I feel really strongly about this. I think that forcing romantic relationships in professional environments like this just sets unrealistic expectations for everybody. This isn't me being like, oh, taking advantage of women or misogynistic, whatever. I just think it sets up an unrealistic expectation between people. I can agree that it certainly reinforces this idea that sexual intention does exist or can exist in places where it really ought not. Or rather, I take that back. that just being friends or just being co-workers just like keeping everything really on that professional level just doesn't happen between you know between your leads between the two leading people in your story right now like and for everybody they're their leading person in their story plus whomever that other person is so yeah i would agree with that but in this particular case Uh.

[27:58] This to me was almost, this was like Sam.

[28:03] I'm sorry, Samantha had a chance to now say goodbye and have, you know, kiss her husband goodbye and all of that stuff and, and have a chance for that grieving process for a little bit of extra closure that she didn't get with the other guy.

[28:17] And Jack helped provide that. Also, I do think that there was a bit of looking at it on the other side.

[28:23] Because I will tell you this right now and jeff i that stargate has the same rule that voyager thankfully had that tng thankfully had you cannot have a relationship between a commanding officer and a and a subordinate fraternization it is it is a it is a it is a taboo that only ever gets toyed with in these kinds of settings yeah you know what i mean um they really walk that line uh pretty good so to be able to allow jack to acknowledge that there may or may not be some feelings there and to explore that for 10 seconds also while helping other alternate sam grieve a little bit and have her last goodbye like i don't it works for me it may not work for jeff but we have now officially spent like eight minutes talking about a 10 second part of the episode you know what though but this is the thing and i don't mean this in a detrimental way to the episode yes this is kind of the thing of the episode right like i feel like like this was a cool sci-fi idea it let us see you know the goatee on alt puffis and see general hammond get zach gunned and some cool things we got to see kowalski like i love kowalski it's super cool also i think the point of this episode the point was to entertain right this is this is what it is here's a cool sci-fi story but i think that the underlying sort of theme is that the major Sam.

[29:49] Who we know prime Sam had an opportunity to see a version of herself as she had made different life choices.

[29:56] Also, we got to explore the unexplored romantic tension between them with like this surrogate, you know. So let's take the same person, make her different, and then we can have these little hints and these things that there's this tension and people like that. So we've spent a lot of time on it, but I think that's the point of the episode.

[30:19] You know what? if i would have i would have liked this episode better i think had it actually explored prime sam and this is where i think michael pillar's words are so uh prescient and they didn't follow it in this episode of stargate is the shows the episodes have to be about our main characters have to be about our bridge crew not those out there yeah this show was about alternate sam and exploring her feelings and what's going on with her and seeing this piece through that we barely saw prime sam exactly and when we did for the most part she was arguing with alt sam until the moment they were working on the generator and like everything clicked which is cool this i would i would agree i'm sorry this could have been an episode i would have liked this episode better i think had it been prime sam exploring aspects of her personality that she didn't know that she had through alt sam they it should have been a lot more prime and alt sam throughout the course of this episode really nailing that in um or even i mean yes he's not even i just like i like what you said she's exploring other aspects of herself that can't be explored in her normal situation yeah i think you know early on in the episode um.

[31:36] The Dr. Sam, Dr. Carter said, you know, oh my gosh, can't imagine joining the military. Major Carter said, I can't imagine not, which tells me Jacob is a very different person in this alternate universe. Right. So what's that? And how did that familial relation? So to your point, like that would have been a cool story. I will, I will look at it a little, like a little bit differently. And I think that on surface, this was about alt Sam, but I almost think, and again, I'm going back to the kiss, but I think that that made this about Jack when, when Jack, we got, we got awesome. Jack through most of this episode, you know, like listening to people do the tech, the techno babble stuff and him doing his awesome, like, come on, you know, whatever. But when he goes into comfort alt Sam, or just to check in on her and let her know that they get to stay, we saw some stuff in him. We hadn't ever seen before we saw him try to have some empathy right and like when he realized like oh i just like she's really upset i got to be here for her and create some space and then he saw the picture and we got to kind of explore like he wasn't he was confused by it but he wasn't posed to it and we kind of saw him his relationship with alt sam changed at that moment he became protective of her in a way, defended her.

[32:56] And so I think what it showed, we've seen and explored Jack as a dad, as someone who's awesome around kids. I think this was an opportunity for us at a, not as deep as we maybe should have, but gave us an opportunity to see Jack as a romantic partner or as an intimate partner, someone who cares about someone in a way. Again, I think that him doing that kiss was inappropriate with it, but it lines up with that story. Like if, if that's the story of this, of course he kissed her because that's him expressing this feeling that he never can and her trying to get closure with the whole thing. Although in the closure piece, like, I don't know, this might be a stupid example, but like, let's say that my, my wife dies and I'm broken up about it. And I didn't get to say goodbye or have closure. So I go have a real doll made of her and like I make out with that so I can get some clothes. That's weird, right? Yeah. What's different about this? It's not Jack or Jack. It's just some dude who's biologically the same person, but isn't the same person. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to get off that, that hook, that whole thing.

[34:07] Cause I'll, I'll go on and on. I, I, you know, I had a couple other notes on this one, but nothing, nothing of consequence. There was one, piece that uh was weird general hammond prime hammond had like his real aversion to the idea of these alt people alt kowalski and alt sambian they never explored that it was just weird didn't you think that they were going to turn out to be bad yeah and he had like a feeling like you know something and he's like i don't know something's fishy and then they do a thing but then nothing ever came of that it was a little weird we got the asgard who showed up and we talked about during in the episode they are the deus ex machina they showed up the gold who inhabited earth were apparently all at sga and they left but yeah i've got pretty mixed feelings on this one i think i'm while you're talking about your next piece i'm gonna i'm gonna chew on this a little bit and let's talk about that next piece brent did you find any sci-fi messages in this chew quickly jeff because yeah i don't have a whole lot in this one man i really don't i i i feel like i.

[35:05] Pull certain things from it you know things that stand out to me kowalski walks into a room and flips out that teal is sitting there and like well what are you doing like dude this is not your spot not your time i could pull i could i could pull that out you say you use that'd be solved with a briefing hey heads up this might freak you out let's be aware you know that person you said led the attack on the mountain yeah he's in there and he's cool yeah yeah yeah but he didn't lead didn't attack on our mountain in fact he's helped defend it a few times so um you know jack being a really good commander and showing compassion for her while also showing compassion for his own sam you know i mean maybe you go there with that i there just wasn't there this was this was uh hey let's have an episode let's pull that episode back out if this if if this happened to be the same people that we saw from the last mirror episode from there and we were catching up with their story maybe but this was just it was somebody else all together that we sent back sam and said hammond said we're gonna bust up this mirror with at the end we're not gonna be able to do this anymore uh we went we freed we we killed apophis again and freed some more people like yeah yeah like i just i don't know jeff i don't have much and i feel like i'm i'm wimping out on this one but I there's just not much in this one for me I.

[36:30] Just don't see it there if you got anything you want to stump for it go for it but I'm giving this one zero chevrons I think it's totally fair I there were a couple like you said a couple moments like oh maybe nope nope hey this one nope they didn't didn't go there at all no this was this was a sci-fi episode yeah episode of the week decent yeah decent episode yeah I mean.

[36:51] Decent this is an episode that if i'm if i'm doing laundry and i'm flipping through the channels and i come across this episode but oh oh yeah it's this episode i'm going to keep channel surfing and seeing what else is out there and if nothing else is on i would come back to this episode that's fair that's pretty fair yeah that's brent so yeah why don't you ask me what i think about it no i'm tired jeff what do you think about it have you chewed are you done on the cud i am i am done chewing all.

[37:22] Right what you got pull that out so you rated it zero chevrons i'm gonna rank it oh my god yeah i was trying to feed you trying to feed you there let's let's do the format of the show let's go hey jeff so i get to rate it by you know declaring zero chevrons how you however my friend you get to rank it uh based really much on just how much did you like the episode our current top five because that's all we have so far current top five of season three or 100% completely accurate and completely definitive ranking of season three Stargate SG one includes number one fair game number two learning curve number three into the fire four legacy five Seth Jeff where does this episode point of view go when I ranked when I ranked legacy or learning curve last week or no it was legacy two weeks ago when I ranked that I mentioned that putting it in the number four position wasn't a reflection on it is a bad episode. It was a reflection on the quality of season three so far. Yeah.

[38:21] And that's going to be how I rank this one.

[38:25] This one is going to be in the top five at number five, just above Seth.

[38:31] Again, not a bad episode. I'm with you. I'm not going to choose to watch this one ever, but I'm not going to choose not to, you know, I'm not going to skip out of it. Still step up from Seth, which again, not a, not a bad episode, just another one. I'm not necessarily really gonna watch you know jeff i'm at a spot with stargate where i've watched it so many times i very rarely ever do uh watch through okay more of the show i pick and choose which episodes i want to watch and i think what you just said like i'm never going to choose this episode but i'm never not going to choose this episode i don't ever choose this episode like i just gloss over it because i'm looking at the other episodes like that's it so but you're right it's not i feel like i'm really crapping all over this episode it's not bad it's not at all no there are others that are better agreed a lot better and we've got some of them coming up here in the next few weeks so oh cool that's exciting well over the rest of the season actually this is a great season the season so far this has been fantastic yeah well that being said jeff we are going to officially be done with point of view would you like to know we're watching next i guess yeah jeff.

[39:39] Oh it's time for one of our favorite type of episodes it's one of those that every sci-fi show does an iteration of, I've had a couple of those and I've got a title of this one is dead man switch. Jeff, you want to give us an idea of what dead man switch might be about? What immediately comes to mind for me. And here's some recency bias in action is the, is it the, uh, season two Babylon five episode convictions. That was a season two episode. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah, sure. Where, you know, dude had the little, I'm going to blow up the station thing. And it was his little dead man switch. So this is going to be like a hostage sort of situation.

[40:16] Um i'm gonna say that the sg1 crew will get they'll be taken hostage and um you know we there's an easy way out but we can't take it because dude's got a dead man switch and we'll all get blowed up well again blowed up real good real good uh i believe that was a season three episode jeff it might have been yeah i just i don't know like that's so bad i'm the one who was i should remember are the ones you are the one who knows it is a season three because it was londo jacar and london jacar in an elevator there you go uh it's time to update our tracking sheet jeff we did get one for crying out loud in today's episode that was it was a unique for crying out loud it was but we decided we're gonna count it that brings our total up to 17 for crying out loud so far wow wow yeah it seems like a lot but when you realize we've already had like 50 episodes so And not quite half. Not quite. Not quite. But still enough to be like, they say that line a lot. Totally. They say that line a lot. All right, Jeff.

[41:19] I guess with all that, that's going to put a bow on our episode here today. So thank you guys so much for joining us. Please join us next time here on Stargate SG one for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast. Hey, don't forget to subscribe to us wherever you are, wherever you happen to get your podcast, leave us a rating, a review. Please share this podcast with someone you know that loves Stargate or needs to get in the gate. Just like my buddy, Jeff, right over there. So until next time, guys, thank you guys so much. We will get right here.

[41:47] Yeah. Jeff, what's up? You know those cool apps that they have nowadays where you can learn a language in like three weeks? Duolingo. Got it. That's one of them. Yeah. And Babel and a bunch of others. It's a whole thing. I made my own. I just made one. Oh, did you? I'm really excited about it. I haven't named it yet. Something, something Gould, something, something. But it's an app where literally you can learn how to speak Gould in four seconds. Really? Kree! Kree! Kree Jafar! That's it that's the lesson, indeed We'll be right back.

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[42:36] I mean look at what happened with Cassie look at what happened with that retu kid, you know I know a few other kid things that come up hey spoiler alert there's going to be at least a handful more over the next eight seasons that we still go through, you know, Jack's definitely got a soft spot for kids. No, no, whether that's a result of what happened with his son or that's who he is as a person and partly why his son affected him so much. Like obviously there's a son, but still bigger than that. Like Jack's a, it's just a good dude, man.

[43:09] Yeah. I got to think that he was a great dad, right? Like he was a really good dad and losing his son.

[43:16] Especially the way he lost his son was obviously in the, in the, film you know that was that changed him and darkened him quite a bit but as he's you know as time does its thing and he's doing his stuff he's like i feel like he he decided that he's a good dad or you know a good thing not only is he was but now he also believes that he is i don't know that he didn't before but like it shows he's like yeah this is a thing i can do i got this it's really cool seeing him operate like that uh also we came to know that there is such a thing as a knack with a reactor or knack with a generator kind of a big deal that's a thing uh jeff what was your prediction for this episode a piece of new tech that they're gonna have to figure out and that was that was sam's whole storylines figuring out this new tech oh there you go jeff i like it buddy you get high level enough you're gonna hit something right i like it buddy i like it i like it uh just to update we had no additions to our for crying out louds and deeds or daniel deaths counseling countings that we are doing although there's a perfect opportunity for an indeed oh my gosh there's so many so many um so jeff i guess with that um we're gonna call this a great episode television good 45 minutes could have worked anywhere uh good stuff i'm glad that this was in stargate not star trek i agree because it would have been different in star trek and i wouldn't i don't think i would have appreciated it as much so.

[44:44] With that, Jeff, it's time to move on to our next episode. Would you like to know we're watching next time here on Stargate SG-1 for the first time? Yeah, I suppose so. We are watching an episode titled Point of View. Point of View. Point of View. Get high level, Jeff. Give us a point of view on Point of View. This is going to be an episode from the System Lord's perspective. We're going to see things happening from a different point of view. And the cool thing in that like i'm i'll be excited for is just getting that view into the system lord gould culture that we'll get a little bit of but um there'll be sg1 over here on the side doing a thing that'll intersect enough to make it the episode so this is a episode we'll see this from the system lord point of view all right well you're a good guesser jeff sure you're a good guesser well that's going to do it for us right here on stargate sg1 for the first time that's going to do it for us here with learning curve. Thank you guys out there so much for joining us. Hey, listen, don't forget wherever you are catching this show, whether you're on audible, Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube.

[45:48] Spotify, video, Patreon, whatever else we're on out there. I don't even know what all it's all out there, wherever you are, please leave us a rating and a review, a check mark stars, whatever it is they allow you to do. Please make sure you do that because what that does is that lets other people know that you're enjoying the show and they would probably enjoy it too, which helps more people find the show. Also, please be sure to share the show with somebody that you know who loves Stargate or maybe somebody like Jeff over there needs to get into the gate for the first time. So with that, until next time, folks. Hey, Brett.

[46:26] Yes, Jeff. I love making this show with you. I'm so glad that you pulled me into Stargate. This is great So I made something for you Aww.

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