Demons

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Demons - Season 3, Episode 8

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SG1_308 Demons

[0:00]

Music.

[0:14]

Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time, still not a Star Trek podcast.

My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.

Hey, I am Brent Allen. I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time.

But for the first time, I am looking for what Stargate is trying to teach us.

You know, those lessons that hold up a mirror to society, give us hope things

can be better in the future, or just tell us, Jeff, that you and I have had

lots of these conversations lately.

Lately how can we be better people to one

another maybe we'll have some of those conversations today as

we watch the eighth episode of the third season of SG1

demons last week when you

said this is what we're gonna watch I guess this is gonna be kind

of our first foray into some socar stuff so cars apparently

like the devil and there's gonna see some of his demons and

we're gonna start setting him up as uh I don't

know the new Apophis if as it were the

new Apophis the new the fill

the apophis is apophis and sokar is sokar but

he's going to fill the story role he's the new the new bad guy is what you're

saying the new big bad yeah and so we'll see why don't you uh give us a little

bit of the details on demons well very few details uh for this episode august

13th 1999 is when it premiered this is the eighth episode of season three.

[1:34]

Two things actually I do want to point out. This is a Peter DeLuise directed

episode, which means, yes, there is a cameo.

Jeff, I'm actually going to

tell you who he is in this one. We're just going to have to look for him.

He is titled as Screaming Villager.

[1:49]

So let's look for the Screaming Villager. We'll try to point out Peter DeLuise.

We're going to look for it together. I've never noticed the Peter DeLuise cameos

except for in a handful of episodes.

I didn't know that he basically does it every time he directs.

That's that's new information to me. uh here's the

other thing last week we watched uh dead man switch flash gordon

flash gordon's there did you notice he had a

he had a little scar over his eyebrow i sure did yeah i like

that okay so apparently they thought

it was so cool or whatever in today's

episode just look for it jack is

gonna get a scar that is that exact same kind

of scar really now what i what i cannot

not confirm is that they did it because of

flash gordon like flash was

so cool you got to do this now richard dean

anderson does not have a scar in his eyebrow okay but he will he will something

will happen to him today that will give him a little cut right above his eye

and he will carry this as part of his makeup for the rest of the show okay which

is which is basically like i i I think it's just they sat in the makeup trailer and thought,

like, yeah, this makes Jack look badass. So let's do it.

[2:59]

We got to toughen him up a little bit. So be on the lookout for the scar or

for the for the cut. Actually, I guess we're going to see today that is that is coming up.

No spoilers as to what actually happens or how he gets it or what goes on,

brings his head into a pipe or something else.

Jeff. So, Jeff, with that, that is all I have.

That means it's time to go watch an episode, pal. Let's go do it.

Hey, listen, if you guys are here for the first time, first of all, welcome.

You guys are amazing. We are awesome. We love you guys.

[3:27]

What's about to happen here is Jeff and I are going to go watch this episode

right now. It's not like we watched this episode prior to hitting record.

Nope. We are literally, we pressed record and now we're going to go watch it,

but we're not pressing pause on record, Jeff.

We're going to keep recording because we're going to record our reactions,

Jeff's reactions, my reactions to watching this episode together.

If you're on YouTube, you're going to catch that reaction video.

If you guys want the full unedited behind the scenes version of how we put all

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If you're listening on a podcasting app, you're going to gate into the future.

You're going to catch us on the other side where I'm going to share my first time reactions.

Brent's going to talk about any of the sci-fi messages he found,

and that's going to be, Oh, and about 45 seconds from now, Brent,

why don't you kick this off, Demons?

[4:24]

Music.

[4:41]

Uh well jeff welcome back welcome back to you want to welcome back the audio

listeners who have just gated into the future they have joined us you and i

have just watched the episode

demons you for the very first time me for the 47th time but you my friend take

us through it your very first watch through what about it right out of the gate

get it right out of the gate.

[5:05]

Didn't even mean to do that wow well right out

of the gate i was pretty excited about this one because as you pointed out

very early on in this journey on

stargate sg1 i was like hey do we ever get like

christianity in this whole thing do we get the ghouls

playing that and this was such a cool take on this there was uh

a line jack said where he's like oh they're not

playing god they're playing the devil so

it's not like we're gonna have a ghoul as as jesus or

as god or even as moses you know

or elijah or anything like that now the the big

names let's flip it right and just like let's let's be satan and they straight

out called sokar satan that's who he was yeah it's a really cool idea for for

i don't know playing that up but i think it's just i think it's brave of of the series to do that.

So far, we've seen it take on dead cultures and dead religions for the most part.

I'm sure there's people out there still practicing them and more power to them.

But this is a very modern, thriving religion in the world and they're going to take it on.

Now, they took it on in the medieval sense of it, which I think was a great

mechanism for them to tell a very scathing story.

[6:21]

Like side of christianity that arguably

was some of the worst expression of of the

christian faith in history was during that time used to

do horrible things to people and we

saw that happen in this one but i i enjoyed this episode for that right like

let's take a critical look at a a at a moment in time you know that that still

reverberates into into the present for us yeah When I was watching this,

I really thought that there's a version of my recap,

a version of you going into the sci-fi messages where we do what we've done

quite a bit on our Babylon 5 podcast and start diving into how the Christian faith was displayed.

[7:09]

How it was shown in a way that's not relevant anymore or whatever.

Ever but i don't know that that's really i don't

know if that's the value in in this one i think it was a neat it

was neat like i want to call it was neat they did that i hope

that we get more you know like for being a monotheistic religion there's quite

a pantheon in christianity you know of of things to pull out the angels and

you know they even invoked saint michael the archangel in this one yeah stuff

so i hope we see more of that you know from from the gould i think it would be be very interesting,

but all in all, like, okay, there's the Christian thing. It happened.

I loved the casting of the cannon.

Oh yeah. Through the very end, the dude who played the cannon was,

you just wanted to punch him in the face.

The whole time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just played that whole,

like, especially when he says to Simon, he's like, you need to stop asking so

many questions, kid, and he's eating, you know, that whole, like,

just let, let me ask you this and this is, this is me getting a little real.

Uh folks that have been around this show have been around us for quite a while you've heard,

several soliloquies uh mostly mostly by me but you too about the ideas of forgiveness

and how that gets couched in everyday life and being free to forgive um and

being generous with forgiveness.

[8:29]

Was there a part of you or maybe a huge part of you or just

every part of you that when he says at the end he

goes forgive me that you were

just like no I don't wanna 100% but

I had but I had a whole thought process there of like he's like forgive me

I'm like no and then I thought wait is that

the symbiote or is that the Canon asking yeah

for forgiveness because if it's the symbiote I'm

not interested in his forgiveness you know that's total

deathbed confessional you know it's like oh shoot now that

it's all apart now did literally literally four minutes ago you were

trying to murder everybody here right but

it was the Canon asking for forgiveness I'm kind

of all in for that he said I am he said and this you know here we go here we

go he says if had I not seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed and

that right that's such a huge part of the story after the resurrection and the

gospel sure Thomas right we We call him doubting Thomas.

Cause he's like, until I see him until I put my finger into his wounds,

I will not believe that he's back.

And then Jesus does show up. He's like, yeah, here it go. Yep. See, there I am.

[9:38]

And we use that, you know, to this day as like that, you know,

thing of faith, you know, do you have to see it?

Well, he did. Canon saw it.

And immediately was like oh shoot i was

wrong up to that point in his life he had no reason

to think he was wrong i think that's the thing that's difficult in

episodes like this is we can watch it in fact

i'll say we and captain kirk can watch

it because in a big way this was a tos episode of hey

we're going to come to this planet we're going to completely rip your society apart

and then tell you to shut it down and we're going to leave right but

they're going to come in and look at this and be like yeah this is messed up it's not

okay but when they were asking him about his ring that really cool

ring he had that activated the satellite or the whatever that was

doing they never really explained that did they not at all

and you know what that's okay didn't need it yeah

don't need it if this was made today they

would because you have to explain everything now sure don't need

it he's got a ring it does a thing it's probably some gould something but what's

important about that ring is they've been passed down through through generations

so we know that this society has been in place for at least a thousand years

according to Daniel probably more so at that I mean when you when you have a literal monster.

[10:52]

Walking through your village scooping people up and saying that they're the

devil uh you're gonna believe that's the devil like there it is and so the cannon

was doing his job now he like many many people who are given that kind of power,

totally let it go to his head, right?

It was clearly making some choices that were self-serving or whatever.

But at the end, when he saw that he was wrong, maybe that was him asking for forgiveness and Simon.

[11:21]

Simon was on it. You want forgiveness? Here it is. When he was saying that at

the end, he was saying the prayer, I had flashbacks to passing through Gethsemane

from Babylon 5, where it's just like, yeah, you go.

And when you ask for that forgiveness, you get it.

[11:37]

And as we've talked about many times, you get it, maybe not right away, but you get it.

Simon was all about giving it. I was way into this episode all the way until

the end. Not the very end, but like just before the end. Mm-hmm. They show up.

Unas is down on the ground, his green blood, he's, you know, out.

Cannon's over there like, oh, my goodness.

[12:01]

And he's like, oh yeah, um, his wounds were too bad. So like he hit dude and

then he, and then he died.

And I'm like, seriously, he bled out.

That's it. We needed Thor's hammer to take out James Earl Jones, Unas.

Yeah. a couple staff shots and he bleeds out and we

don't even get to see it i was really upset by

that that makes me sad you pushed that through because you know who was the onus

in this one huh or at least the voice it was

chris judge seriously yeah oh yeah

so we needed thor's hammer for james earl jones's unis

but for chris judge's unis just a couple staff shots

and the thing is too like wouldn't the

staff cauterize your wounds right away not important we

won't go into that i don't see a lot of value there but it was just i

was just like really he's gonna die just like that that's

yeah this horrible scary thing and

i don't know that that um that took

that took a lot out of the a lot of the wind out of the sails in this one for

me but up to that point in the very end of it i really enjoyed it we've dived

in a little bit already but brent were there any sci-fi messages that you were

able to pull out of this one so um you know jeff way back when I was doing speech and other things.

No, I had a professor of mine who basically taught us how to deliver...

[13:20]

Uh speeches uh sermons um

uh whatever with great conviction one of

the things he said was you should always have a cannon

shot for the heart and a lot of times when you listen people

don't have the cannon shot for the heart they it's more like they just pick up like

a handful of pebbles and they just sort of throw them at you and

see what happens as far as messages go

i feel like this is more of the the pebbles

they got thrown at me more than just here's the

message they were going for uh that being said

i did i did pull some out of here there's one

right at the very beginning jack says and by

the way i want to run these through the litmus test of hope for a

better future um mirror to society and how can we be better humans to each other

as we do yep right kind of kind of that's that's the litmus test i'm using so

uh jack says how long have these people been like this a thousand years that's

long enough we have the power to help these people and we we should.

And then he turns to the guy and he goes, do you want us to help?

I don't know how much I'm on the train of, we have the power to help.

And so we should, or we have an obligation to, we have that idea.

This is an idea certainly that was, that was around when I was a kid growing

up, like, Hey, if you see somebody getting beat up and you don't do anything

about it, you know, that's on you and you're just as guilty as the other person.

I don't know that I'm actually with that these days.

[14:40]

Um, I, I get the idea, but I don't think that's as hard, fast rule,

rule, but I love what Jack did next.

He said, do you, I can help you. We can help do this.

I'm here ready and available to help. Do you want my help?

I appreciated that the sideways side of that is he's asking one guy to ask for

help on behalf of everybody else out there and a guy who actually didn't have

the authority to say that yeah minutes after he asked him he's like oh that

guy he's our spiritual leader over there,

okay and then he asked that guy and the guy was like no and he goes and jack

just wrong okay let's go home now the rest of the episode still had to happen

so obviously they didn't go home uh i believe that's when we got the little

ringy thingy but uh but still at least.

[15:24]

And then ask, like, I, I think that's really the great that like,

ask, like, do you want me to help?

And if not the answer, like giving people the ability to say no is huge.

[15:35]

Massive. Uh, so there's that one. Uh, I like this one talking about a mirror to society.

Oh, Jeff, I, you, it's hard to watch this and not think of a mirror to society,

whether present day society or even past day society,

but a total abuse of power by people in charge,

I'm not even gonna watch this and not think of a mirror to to limit it to the

christian and catholic church

i'm just going to show it to everything abuse of

power by the people in charge he tells the guy at one

point basically he's like look if you don't do what i got what i want you to

do uh the next time they come around i can't protect you

in other words you're going to be one of the ones to go off

and i'm going to make sure that you go if you don't if you

don't do what i tell you to do filthy that's so

dirty but how often does that happen oh yeah

if you if you don't play like this then you're never going

to be a part of this again or or whatever i i've been

in those shoes before maybe not with so many words but

certainly an abuse of power in that and i mean

i think we can certainly think of thousands of times through history

when people have abused their power oh yeah

for sure i i think when you're a victim to stuff

like that you tend to see it more clearly and earlier than people anyway um

but then then this one this might have actually been my favorite one uh how

can we be better humans to each other I'm a listed under that one at the very

end The cannon's been taken over and then he's been shot and he says forgive me. Was it the gold?

Was it cannon? Does it really even matter?

[17:00]

And simon does even though He had every right not to he had every right not

to he had every right to be like no I gotta be honest.

I want him to say no every single time i'm i'm watching

like nope not for you Not not for you londo

not gonna happen them but then he in an amazing set of uh maturity goes yes

i will forgive you knowing that that guy right there is about to die there's

nothing he can do to redeem himself pay him back that's the idea of forgiveness.

[17:35]

That's why the irredeemable can be redeemed because there's

nothing that they can do to be redeemed they have to be redeemed by another

they have to be forgiven by another yeah like i said a lot of throwing pebbles

good pebbles no big like was any of that what they were trying to go for i i

don't i don't know that you can do a living religion and not show stuff like this.

[18:00]

And not want to put stuff like that on tv

but was there any anything what are

they all amalgam to i'm going to give them one chevron each three

chevrons for me for this episode that works they're good

pebbles they weren't driven home or anything

it's just kind of there and that works three's three's

a good that's very generous it's good it's very generous he

says well jeff uh you know my job

my friend is to rate these episodes

it is your job to rank these episodes in our

100 completely accurate and definitive ranking of season

three of stargate sg1 this is

episode eight you have seven on the list so far that order

of seven at the top of the list is fair

game going down number two is learning curve number three

is into the fire four is legacy five

is dead man switch i'll go ahead and round out the last two point

of view coming in at number six and seth coming in

at number seven jeff where

are you placing in our ranking this episode brent

we have a new top five coming up

until the very end of this episode and.

[19:09]

It all kind of fell apart for

me i'm that that unis dying the way that it died

i just really killed it for me this is gonna

be our new number six right under dead man switch fair enough

i don't i don't disagree with that one uh in the

least not in the least at all all right

jeff well with that uh i guess

there's only one more bit of business to do that's it

for the end of demons we're officially done with that moving on to

the next episode would you like to know what that episode is titled yeah let.

[19:38]

Me know all right make a guess here's the title rules of

engagement rules of engagement sg1 is

going to go to a planet that's my

prediction no they're going to go to a planet they're going

to uh do something wrong essentially

and they're going to come back hammond has to i don't know lock him up there'll

be some sort of an investigation something like that that in the end turns out

everything was fine but this is going to be more we're heading back to the sgc

and uh not going to spend a lot of time on another planet just or maybe they won't even see it.

They'll go in, they'll come back

out, or maybe the episode will start with them coming back in the SGC.

[20:16]

And jack's just like yep we it all fell apart whatever and hammond's like yeah

i gotta lock you up and then they're gonna go over the the rules of engagement i'm not speaking one bit

to the quality of this episode in fact i'd say this episode fits

perfectly in season three right where it is it is

one that i that i tend to like a lot though oh yeah

like again i'm not speaking to the quality

of the episode this is just a brent like for whatever reason this

this episode tickles uh tickles my fancy like i

i i dig it all right i don't

know how other people feel about i don't know how the fandom as a whole but i don't mind

saying that anyway i don't usually give you that but i i do

i do enjoy these this next episode a bit all right uh

jeff with that that's gonna do it for us right now

on stargate sg1 for the first time hey thank you guys so

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you're awesome thank you so much it's time to get out of here until next time

folks see you yeah i had no idea i'm looking at some of the the credits here

now that we're done watching i'm looking at some stuff i had no idea that lady

gaga was involved in this episode what she was involved in this episode yeah,

for crying out loud.

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