Rules of Engagement

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Rules of Engagement - Season 3, Episode 9

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[0:00] Music.

[0:12] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time, still not a Star Trek podcast. My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time. And I'm Brent Allen, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time. But for the first time, I am looking for what Stargate is trying to teach us. You know, those lessons that hold up a mirror to society, give us hope that things can be better in the future, or just tell us how to be better human beings to one another. Let's find out how the human beings are in the ninth episode of the third season of SG-1, Rules of Engagement. Now, last week when I predicted what this was going to be about, I figured the episode's going to open with SG-1 coming through the gate back into the SGC. It'll be the return of the SGC. They will have gotten into some stuff, and they're going to get in trouble. And we're going to kind of get the almost courtroom-y type of episode of what are the rules of engagement? Which is a good question. Another good question is like, when did this episode come out? What cool facts are there about it? Why don't you lay it on us? Yeah, there's really not any cool facts about this episode, John. It's so weird. It's so weird. Here's a fact about this episode. It came out on August 20th, 1999. Okay. So that's it. There's no notable guest stars, no notable writer and director.

[1:36] Nothing I need to tell you about going into the episode And frankly there's really nothing much coming out on the other side of the episode Other than what happened So with that Jeff why don't we jump into it buddy Let's do it Alright hey listen if you guys if this is your first time here First of all welcome Thank you so much for joining us you guys are amazing What's about to happen is Jeff and I are going to go watch this episode right now, But you're like, wait, you've already started the episode. What do you mean? Haven't you already watched it yet? No, we haven't. We're going to go watch it right now. If you're hanging out with us on YouTube, you're actually going to stick around and you're going to get to see our reactions. We'll cut it up and you'll show you'll see the reactions to this episode as Jeff watches it for the first time. Me looking for those messages for the first time.

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[3:24] Hey look weren't we on this planet trees last week trees or and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that it is beautiful god's country you know that uab needs a swift kick in the cpu serial camera show some sort of camp, Sounds like laser weapons fire. Oh, yeah, look at that. It's like war games. It's ghouls fighting ghouls or it's a... No, no. Oh, what? It's an SG team, sir. Can't make out their unit number. They're pinned down. If someone else was there, they should know. It's a lot of SG teams. They can't compare them all. Like 13, aren't they? They were declared MIA eight months ago in P89534, what would they be doing here? Wherever they may be, they are about to die. So SG-11 went missing quite some time ago, somewhere else. Yeah, they have no idea who this SG-team is, just an SG-team. Okay, I was guessing it was 11 because they went MIA. Copy your 6! Identify yourself! Colonel Jack O'Neill, SG-1! Take him out!

[4:44] Is this a Daniel death death? Is it a Daniel death? I'm counting it. I'm counting it. This is an everybody death. Yeah. Those are like PPG shots hitting them. Right? Fizzle out. PPGs, yeah, there you go. Go to the intro. best cold open you can have is killing the entire right right they're dead that's a daniel death jeff we're counting it totally it's been so long since i've gotten to count a daniel it's so exciting he finally died wow of course everybody else died too yeah hi jeff all right oh man they turn on sg1 somehow the gold though that were coming just kind of weren't a factor anymore like they were coming in attacking with their staffs and they took dude out and i don't know, And then their guns have laser things on them, trying to guess what this could be. So SG-11 went MIA, and then they got abducted or enlisted by some other race who is now deploying them strategically against the Gould. But then they would have recognized, everybody knows Jack O'Neill. I was going to say, I don't care how many SG teams they got, the SGC is not super huge. No, and it's SG-1. You're going to know each other. and if you're if you're a member of an SG squad we know who the.

[6:00] Music.

[6:10] I thought I got shot. So it would seem. Or are you guys gonna get it? Get what? From whom? I appreciate the radically correct statement there. Because you're dead. Pretending not to be dead will just get you into more trouble. It's like a paintball thing. It's like a training op of some kind. Come on, Colonel, you know better. Stop breaking the rules. We're supposed to be dead. How are you supposed to kill us again? You want to find out, four eyes, huh? Oh, the old four eyes. it's all plain dead, right? Indeed. Indeed. So I saw his little gun light up, so I think those are like laser tag guns almost. And this is a training up. Those weren't actually gold. SGX. There is no SGX on you. Not under Hammond's command, no. Who do you think they are? I know the race is copying them. I wouldn't put it past them. Copying the model, maybe. No, did you hear them? Oh, I didn't catch that at all. I was talking.

[7:11] Oh, the old power move. Not looking. Barely talking. Dude, I'm twice your age. Shut up. You should, uh... A little bass in your voice there, son. Is this the way you behave in your quadrant, mister? I think Colonel is the proper way of addressing me, Captain. Rank is above strict adherence to the rules of engagement unauthorized forces shall be shot on sight you were unauthorized in fact you ruined our ambush nearly half the enemy team got away carter i've never been real big on rags is this familiar to you no sir they are familiar to me calvac jafar calvac jafar you're not from dequa.

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[8:08] Stargate jeff knowledge check for you okay what is the shapa eye it's the stargate who calls it the shapa eye the gould just checking don't hit play yet okay i just i just typed my note theory another race is copying the sg model and they're training to take on the gould are these gould we have the gould we have the tokra is this like a new theory it's a third group copying the sg model to fight the gould maybe let's find out you're good sam's gonna know sam's gonna feel if they got the... She'll say something at some point. Oh, yeah. She's got the gould detector. I am sorry, Master Jaffa. I have revealed myself and failed. Master Jaffa, there goes that theory. You must execute me for the remainder of the day. Master Teal, might I suggest we spare them this time? Very well. No.

[8:54] Underling. Shoot them. Underling. Your standing order is given to you by your previous Jaffa master. Practice the exercises of battle according to the rules of engagement until the return of our Lord Apophis. Uh-oh. When we are ready for the final challenge, you will come. Don't hold your breath. We will be ready. You've studied long and hard and know much. About Earth. Oh, yes. They're built to infiltrate. Born and caught in our indigenous to North America. That information could save your life. So you see, Master T. My mistake will not happen again. I love how proud he looked what he said there. I love how proud he looked what he said there.

[9:30] Bad time has not yet come captain rogers if you're pretending to be who are those jaffa attacking you they were led by my second in command captain nelson as part of the daily exercise they've kept the jaffa encampments separate so that we may better practice our earth behavior so pafas is putting together infiltration teams and then he well i was just saying he was at one point, and they haven't received anybody in a while because he is colonel none of them have symbiote pouches it is common practice among the gua will to use humans as fodder during battle, Especially when facing defeat. Teal can win everyone in one place, just to make sure. Can you handle that? Again. Apophis was the god, but I was one step down from that. Rogers. Well, that would have, I mean, Teal would have ultimately been in charge of all of these. They were returned to the army tent, of course. Do you possess a Vogue Q? Yes, sir. Use it. Yes, Master Teal. This episode always gives me strong Star Wars vibes. Yeah? This is how they talk to the Jedi. tell him to do and oh stuff you know i instructed him to use a training instrument to assemble his men for inspection it may serve to emphasize our authority let's smile until he's loving this right i mean this is his element like he know like he built this stuff, he knows how to act he knows how to pay he's got everything he is much loved by a poppis.

[10:56] Pop has wanted me to tell you that you've all been doing a wonderful job couldn't ask for more well done that's it that means those kids are out there playing war games with real weapons colonel go ahead so far all we've recovered is one nine millimeter and one mp5 roger that.

[11:14] Keep looking i require all of quadrant a to be assembled including those engaged in the games immediately it's captain nelson stated master are you used to be punished i will not fail your challenge a second time master teal this is where i and i don't understand this part of the episode i don't understand jaffa culture i don't understand any of this but to sit here and be like hey uh when you took us and you took our weapons those were not intars those were real but i don't and you have distributed those you have people out there who are fighting with our real weapons not intars if they get shot they will die bring them home now i don't know why he can't say that yeah it's very simple it's very simple yeah we we don't use intars with what we do just tell them that yeah we're from you guys have mixed them up let's go bring them back yeah but like i say i don't understand your fault culture in these things so you know who knows maybe they're not allowed to do i do like he's like i'm not gonna fail your challenge a second time so i'm gonna to not do what you just told me to do. Right. I know that you know that he knows that I can't know that I know that he knows. And so I'll know that I'm doing this. Right, right. Apophis has been slain in battle with his enemies.

[12:21] Cannot kill a god. Hey! He's telling you the truth. Oh, okay. He's yelling at me, so okay. The battle you've been preparing for is never going to happen. Now we've passed your challenge. Have you, though? If there's nothing else, sirs, we've scheduled to join the games in progress. If there's nothing else. Company dismissed! I feel like Tilk shouldn't have let that thing go down. Like, outside of what you were saying, but just, like, letting those people talk back to him.

[12:44] Does it say Colonel? I can't.

[12:48] Everybody grabbing in, sir. That's one way to do it. Go play the game. Yeah. The four of us against all y'all. That's a good technical term. All y'all. All y'all. All y'all. You can't say it right, Jeff. Come on. All y'all. All y'all. I have an accent. He's dead, sir. It's only two syllables, Jeff. All y'all. All y'all. All y'all. And enunciate enunciate the letters prepare the men the challenge must begin at first light she talked.

[13:18] It's the day in a warrior's training, the first bloody shed, that the game's become real. Toad just literally said, just got real. Colonel, we found something. Our weapons were all turned back in after the war game, sir. Roger that. Keep him secure. No! Where's Apophis? He dead. He's not here. I'm sorry. What have we got? Liars. Traitors! You will be punished. He will avenge me! His name's Rogers. You should, uh, date him first. He will strike you down! You all die! Tuna. Go to Sokar. I love the... Whoa! Go to hell, actually. Which, by the way, is a very rude thing to say to a person offering you a sandwich. Means the same. I love the lighting, how the lighting is set up, particularly on Rogers right now. I will reveal nothing. You may begin torturing me. Almost a halo. Well, if this was Star Trek back then, it would just be the thing across the eyes. Yeah. torture with the Vaseline on the on the lens.

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[14:43] Sir, the technical part of transferring the data to the vocum I can figure out. But we've already been experimenting with interfacing ghoul technology with our own. The problem will be getting there. We do have the intars, General. Is that news to you, Jeff? They've been experimenting, integrating ghoul technology with their own? I don't think so, because they were taking the power supplies from the staff weapons and trying to build an aqua reactor and stuff. And he might provide a tactical advantage when they can pull us off. That's what you want. You have a goal. I feel like this is a mission for more than just one SGT. Uh-huh. Like actual SGT. Also, you need Chevron guy yelling this stuff out to make this a big moment. Chevron guy. I like that. Captain Rogers? Just return through the Shepa Eye with a message from Apophis. I have glorious news. I like that shot in the butt. I got shot in the butt and picked him up. Whatever. Get it. We've got to dub this VHS tape over to this digital storage device. They didn't have USBs back then, Jeff. Far from it. They were using SCUZIs at this point. Full S-video cables. Got it. I've always loved the computer graphics. It was so, like, awesome for back then. Advanced stuff. I swear that thing was like a Pokeball. Warriors of Apophis, sample before me and listen to he that possesses the poke.

[16:13] Warrior before you speaks in my name in his words it's a message from apophis himself jeff i want you to pause and i want you to take your time yourself back in your mind's eye to the time when apophis was still alive okay all right way back uh he's got this vocume he's he's got going on here he's gonna leave it out there with his guy but apophis we need you to make the recording so he stands there and he's they set it up and they say okay go say what you want to say so we can record it. Warriors of Apophis, assemble before me.

[16:48] Um how how long did you just need this oh okay okay we can another take that's good this time though i want to get a little more emphasis on me can we do right right my lord my god move your head a little faster as you scan back and forth and uh we're going to need you to wait an extra 45 seconds to give people time to get here yeah my lord and my god that did not work for us uh Let's do it. Take 47. You're going to get it this time. Please give yourself a buzz, Jeff. Oh, yeah. All right, here we go. Summoning his image during battle is against the rules of engagement. Hear his words. When the challenge is over. Now, Nelson. You will listen to him now. Or I will intar you. Before anybody else gets hurt. The final challenge is to the death, Colonel.

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[17:46] A host i am afraid what trickery is this don't come at me with your chat gpt lies, he's a god it cannot be so he's the god that fails it is so, i really want to see the video of them sending his body back through the stargate to soak up What would become of us? Yeah, he died. It's awful. Guess what we did with him afterwards? Where would we go now? He went to hell. Literally. To Sokar.

[18:23] Music. All right, Jeff, before we go any further, first of all, I want to say welcome back to all of our audio listeners who've just gated into the future. Hello hello hello jeff and i have just watched this episode rules of engagement for the very first time jeff this is typically where i'd say hey what about it talk to us but i have a question for you first okay who did it better who did this episode better stargate sg1 let me stop you let me stop you right before we came back into the future i said i said hold on a second i need to write my tagline can i give you my tagline and see if i'm we're in the same place sure episode nine season three of SG one rules of engagement is Lord of the flies meets Valiant from deep space nine. Not what I was going to say. Oh, okay. Okay. Who did it better? I'll go out. Here's, here's mine. All right. You ready? Who did this episode better? Stargate SG one or star Trek Voyager for in the flesh.

[18:23] And that's that.

[19:26] For those of you who don't know, let me just, in Star Trek Voyager, there's an episode called In the Flesh. Spoiler alert if you've never seen it. Three, two, one. Fast forward 20 seconds.

[19:36] Species 8472 completely mocks up and imitates the Starfleet Academy back on Earth all the way down to their groundskeeper, Boothby.

[19:45] And the crew finds this thing out there. So, again, I ask you, Jeff, who did it better, SG-1 or Star Trek Voyager? Well, a little bit of trivia. That was Boothby's last live-action appearance in Star Trek. Was 8472 that's kind of an interesting little thing he only had one before that i think he had like one episode before that and then he had that it was because it was a two-parter yeah we had and they had he was in um his voice was in the fight with chakotay no he was in it he was actually in the fight yeah he was the trainer for chakotay then he was in the one episode of tng, not a star trek podcast back to sg1 still not a star trek podcast still i i think the sg1 did it better and really and i think sg1 did it better because they were they weren't fake right they were real people doing a real assignment with a real thing whereas 8472 was a whole thing that was created to try as a very targeted false thing built up that the office was trying to train infiltrators for this this was a legit operation but they that's also legitimately what 8472 was trying to do but they were trying to train them to go invade and and take over and know know thy enemy right yeah that's true yeah that's true oh that's actually a really good episode it was a great episode of voyager so i'm gonna say this this is my cop-out way of answering the question very different because i think this one it's very lord of the flies.

[21:13] You know, this is a bunch of kids left on an island. I think he's got the conch, you know, and they argue over Section 7, Article 3, or Article 7, Section 3, as to who gets to talk when there's the conch. So you've got this whole juvenile thing going on. You have this whole blind adherence to faith thing going on, whereas in In the Flesh, singular purpose, created a false thing with the soul. Like it was, everyone knew it was up, you know, in that thing. So I think they're too different to compare to each other, but definitely inspired. I think this one is in the flesh valiant from DS nine. That's where Nog ends up on the valiant, which is another, um, another defiant class ship, uh, with kids, red squad on board. And they are basically out there following the last orders they got, even though all the Jaffa masters, Oh, excuse me, actual commissioned officers were gone. It's very similar. And then, And so it's just an amalgamation of those three, frankly, pretty great things. Lord of the Flies, excellent piece of literature. Valiant, great episode. It's what I named my crew of my Patreon for Starfleet Leadership Academy. They're my red squad. And then In the Flesh. So it's kind of good.

[22:28] I'm struck by a lot. This was a fun episode. It was a cool idea. I love how it brought us into the whole thing. It was like as soon as I saw them come over that ridge, I was like, oh, it's a war games thing. And then it just kind of gave you the little pieces spoon, you know, baby bird fed you all the little pieces as to what was really going on.

[22:47] Of course, Apophis set something like this up, right? It's like, this makes total sense. I like how they worked in the SG-11 stuff on how they did it. What I am struck with, though, a couple things. I think this was a great Jack episode, specifically. Jack is our fly-by-night, good times guy, good at his job, but also takes it very seriously by not taking it very seriously. You know he's the keeps everybody cool and on on task doing things but this time there was a lot on the line and he got intense we saw colonel o'neill in this episode and i thought that was a really great uh look at him it was a great tilk episode the episode started off with him just in his element telling people what to do saying the language smiling smirking because he knew it was And that kind of fizzled and it handed over to Jack from there. And I was disappointed that tilt didn't follow, continue in that, but also it made sense. Like it, it progressed the story. Well, we got a little view at the morality of SG one. I noted in the final challenge that all the kids have real live weapons and they've got missiles and mortars and all this stuff.

[24:06] SG-1, they're carrying intars. They're not killing anybody. They're just knocking them out. Any other show, even SG-1, could have had them with real weapons, real firearms, blasting those kids and killing them. No one would bat an eye. That's just what we do. But they took a very, I have to think, intentional decision to say, no, we're going to have them use the intars because it's not the kids' fault. Well, I was going to say, you also can't have your heroes of the show going out and killing kids. You can't?

[24:34] Jms did not write this that's good i'd make to differ he did not write this uh no but even but even when jms killed kids he didn't have the heroes of his show kill the kids dr franklin's not one of the heroes dr franklin did not kill a kid they totally enabled it wow i just inflamed a whole community right there again the parents killed that kid yeah they made the choice franklin let them maybe encouraged it either way you're right they couldn't but if they did no one would have batted an eye yeah you know and so i think it was cool they made that choice the big thing in this episode that hit me though was two weeks in a row we have been shown blind belief and adherence to a faith until they see otherwise so last week we had the canon who's like we have to do the thing until he saw that the unas was just you know this what it was monster or whatever and it wasn't he's like oh my gosh i've seen and now i believe we talked about the whole doubting thomas thing last week.

[25:34] Fast forward to this week, those kids were fanatical about following Apophis, willing to kill, willing to be killed in the worship of their god Apophis until they saw that he was mortal and weak and he died. Once they see that blind adherence, oh, when they see the blind adherence goes away because now they have seen. And I think there's a lot to be said for that. Like on one hand, you can, I feel like you can honor the faith of these kids. Strong faith is an amazing gift for people to have. It's unfortunate when that faith is used for violence like here and for alienation like that was used here.

[26:22] But faith, that's kind of cool. also it's interesting that that faith gets shaken not on words not even on trusted people saying things tilk told them all this they didn't believe him they had to see it i just think there's a lot to think about think about in that yeah it was a fun episode i enjoyed this episode um a really cool idea i'm curious though if you pulled any sci-fi messages out of this one that that i may have missed um the answer is no because it's not that there were no sci-fi messages in this it's that you didn't miss them you literally just said what i have written down that's the thing that's the thing is Blind adherence can be your death. Yeah. That's literally what I just had written down. These kids were here because this is what they were brought up to believe. Right. Yeah. Their parents taught them this, the system that they were raised in. This is just how it is that there's no, um, there's just no questioning about it. This is fact. This is how things are being taught to them.

[27:25] This is a God. This is the way it is. You're going to go do this. We're going to do this. This is all about worshiping our God Apophis. You know, their parents taught them to do this. I don't know that you could say that they were like brainwashed as much as this is just how they're raised. You know, I have said on, on, uh, maybe not SG one for the first time, but definitely Babylon five for the first time, you know, my own story. I was raised here in the South. I, there are certain, um, ideas. There are certain presumptions that people in my area where I grew up in, we just sort of like it's how things are. And it blows your mind to think that there are actually people around the world or around the country that like don't understand that these things are true. Yeah. You know, things that do what now? Just don't accept it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, certain things like, hey, if if and here's the thing, some of this is actually like, I think, true, you know.

[28:27] If if a person of color would move into my neighborhood, house values went down. Why well because people didn't because it's not that people cared about living next to people like that it's just you know they didn't have people over all the time and they park their cars in the yards and they don't keep up their houses and they're dirty and they're jiff did you just hear what i said i did hear that i just said that people of color are dirty you did now before somebody clips that and says listen to brent he's a racist let me clarify these are thoughts and ideas that i was given as a child that as i have gotten older i have realized are absurd to believe that yep do you guys let me let me be clear that is absurd it's how i was raised though yeah say also there's an entire culture that that is their belief yeah exactly, That is an example.

[29:22] I think it's very easily easy to take this and apply this to political beliefs. And I don't want to go down that road. But listen, in this country where we are, there are people that I know that are raised Republican. And this is how you're raised. Your mom and dad were Republican. Your parent, grandparents were Republican. Everybody's Republican. Everybody around you. So you're Republican. And this is what it is. Those damn dirty Democrats. Yeah. I also know people that were raised Democrat. Their parents were Democrats. Their grandparents were Democrats. Their aunts and uncles were Democrats. They don't understand how Republicans work whatsoever, and those guys are ruining their country and holding everything back. Either side may be true at any given time. I don't want to get into that. There's a Venn diagram there with a lot of overlap. Yes, yes. But what I mean is, is both sides, you can blindly raise people to their political beliefs. Okay.

[30:17] Wigs versus Tories over in England. I know we have a lot of listeners over in England and in the United Kingdom, I should say.

[30:25] I don't know what the two-party systems are around all over the world. Sorry. That's my own ignorance. Yes, there's a very American-centric idea that I just said.

[30:34] Hello, I'm an American. I'm so sorry. just change just change the names for your names and it's yeah yeah but my point being people are brought up to okay so that's political okay let's set that aside religious beliefs you're brought up to believe that this is fact this is true no questions asked this is how we behave this is what we go do until you question it until you go see and i'm not saying to debunk the entire religion but you know to at least know why you believe it and why you don't believe the other side of it how you're okay with the own holes in your own faith. Um, I think this is also just as easily to apply to persons of authority. I have been in, lived in a culture, um, where you never ever questioned a coach, a teacher, a parent ever, whatever they said, that's it. There was zero questioning of authority. I'm not saying be disrespectful. Just this blunt. This is just the way it is. No matter what they say, this is how we're raised. Right. I love what you said a second ago none of them would believe until they saw him die it wasn't until they saw that their blind adherence could go away mm-hmm, They could see in order to not be blind anymore. Yeah. I mean, that's what you said. Was that the intention of this episode to say, hey, we're going to write this morality show and hold up a mirror and do all of this and discuss it? Did they really even discuss it a whole lot? No, not really. No.

[32:02] This was just, hey, there's this group of people out there that have that. This is where they're raised. And SG-1 is going to go free them because they came across them. That's, that's really, I don't think there was a huge intention. I know intentionality tends to be a deal. So I'm going to bring that back. I do think it is an interesting discussion, a jumping off point, I should say this episode can give you a jumping off point to go. And, and I think we should all consider that. What are the things in my life that I believe? What are the tenants that I hold? And is that because I truly believe that that's true from my own experience and, and the way things, uh, have been presented to me, or is it just because it was downloaded into my brain with how it was growing up? You should know, you should know one way or the other, and at least be able to recognize it and acknowledge it. So, uh, Jeff, for me, I, I'm going to give this one to Chevrons, to Chevrons. I think it's there. It's a good jumping off point. Episode didn't do much to discuss it. That's okay. You know, I don't think it was an intention but it's there i think it's very clearly there i agree i think if people weren't watching it the way we watch shows that would have not even ever a blip no i and frankly i had to stretch for that one a little bit yeah like it's there like it's clearly there but i had to stretch for it so exactly i two things that come to mind on that one is uh, You know, you shared your story of being from Kentucky, and I think it's a really relatable story for a lot of people.

[33:32] My version of that story is I was born a Catholic, and much of my early political and societal beliefs were rooted in my Catholic upbringing. And I was in high school, I think, when I realized that some of the things I believed didn't make a lot of logical sense at the time, or at all. And so what I tried to do is I asked myself, like, if I have this political belief and it's rooted in my Catholicism and my faith, can I justify that belief without invoking my religion? Right. So, for example, like, you know, I was raised to believe that homosexuality is a sin, right? You will burn if that. And so that was a societal and political belief that I held for part of my life until I said, well, let me just take religion out of that equation. Do I still believe that? And you're like, no.

[34:28] That's just dumb to think that. It's foolish. People are awesome. And it's awesome that they love people. When other people love other people, cool. End of story, right? And so that changed my political beliefs. I questioned. I questioned enough that I left the Catholic faith at 21. I became a nun, right? Nun with an O, not with a U. And went on and lived that life until I was about 37 when, through questioning, I came back into the church because I was questioning. So questions can—and I'm in that faith in a very different way than I was before—.

[35:10] So it's always good to ask, ask yourself the questions and do those things. The other thing is you talked about such a great point. And my God, I spend a lot of time thinking about this. Is this belief, my belief, or is it a result of my inculturalization? Yeah. Am I speaking, is my grandparents speaking through me right now, you know, or whatever? Can I tell you, can I, I want to bounce off that just for a second. You and I have been doing stuff together now for, are we at years? Yeah, we're at years now. a couple years to maybe three years now i don't know a while i don't know it's been a we've we've done this quite a few times we are well over a hundred episodes together oh yeah yeah right um by the time we take everything in we might be knocking on the door of 150 maybe two i think close to two we might yeah we might be close to two um there are often times when i hear you say stuff jeff that i even today where i think and i go that sounds like a very northwestern.

[36:11] Seattle oregonian thing that's not how it is down here it just that's very that's that's you up there in that part of the country uh that doesn't apply to me down here there are oftentimes you say stuff like that i don't come back at it because it doesn't really matter one way or the other but to to your point like yeah like it makes it makes such a difference like what i'm about to share is one of those things, right? So a couple of months ago, I, I did, um, I, I went to a breathing exercise retreat, uh, with the intention of shedding some of my, really got to get high, to get high on my own air supply. So what I did there, it's called holotropic breathing. Look it up. It's amazing. It was a transformative experience for me. And the, the point was really to.

[37:02] Shed that unculturalization for a moment and see what was real and then try and build on that at the time of this recording in what in four days three four days uh i'm gonna go into the woods and i'm gonna eat a bunch of mushrooms and i'm gonna do the same thing and going out in nature and trying to shed my unculturalization to further see what my real beliefs are like who am i and What do I truly believe as me and not what is the Northwest saying through me? My grandparents, my job, my religion, my whatever. I'm going to be here next week watching whatever we watch next week. Cause I'll be fine. I might be a little cooler, right?

[37:48] But all of this to say question, man. And you said a thing I thought was great. That doesn't mean be disrespectful. That doesn't mean attack. Zach, as a, as a manager, I call it inviting dissent. When I can have dissenting thoughts and opinions on my team, that's the value of diversity is different thoughts. It's not dissenting and that you're wrong and I'm right. It's dissenting and that it's different. Yeah. And let's do that, man. Like let's ask those questions. Let's look at different perspectives. And the only way you can get different perspectives is inviting dissenting opinions, asking questions. Brent, two chevrons, excellent rating. We talked about this more than the episode even thought about it. Yeah, right. And that's good on us.

[38:34] Well, hey, you know what I want to know, Jeff? Here's the thing. A lot of times we kind of put stuff out there and like, yeah, sometimes our listeners though catch stuff that you and I never even talked about. Very true. We're not saving or holding anything back for Stargate SG-1 for the second time or anything like that. So hey listen out there let us know what your rating is what messages did you catch is there anything that jeff and i missed uh let us know drop it down in the comments hit us up on twitter shoot us an email um you can go to our website and you could do like some little form which shoots us an email all that sort of stuff um so you guys let us know we would really love to know hey jeff got updated tracking sheet real quick though yes yes uh so to add to our accounts we got one for crying out loud we got one daniel death which is gonna bring our jack crying out louds up to 18 so far which feels low to me i think we should be up in the 30s by now i really got a real dry spell though yeah yeah um we had a daniel death and that brings us up do you know do you have any idea how close we are on daniel deaths uh that's gonna be number seven i'm six Six. Okay. Wow. Daniel has died six times on screen. That's a lot of dying. Are we tracking Indeeds? Because we got an Indeed as well in this one. Did we have an Indeed? I might have missed it. I was wondering. Was there an Indeed? There was an Indeed. This would be our second Indeed. Like, that's it. You know.

[39:59] Trust me, very soon they start coming... Pretty fast and furious. Like when, so people listening to the audio version of this, there was an ad at some point about our Patreon and it ends with Tilk saying indeed. And I had to go capture that. There's a YouTube video. I didn't listen to it. I didn't use it for that. Uh, but it's every time Tilk says indeed, and it's six minutes and 19 seconds long. I understand that. So yeah. Yep. So that's, that's a lot of indeed. so there there is a there is an official just so you know well i'm gonna see how close we get to this number at the end um that i have three numbers of the total counts of indeeds over the course of sg1 okay and it's 154 167 and 177 so it's all right there within like a 20 20 shot window you know um but they're they're pretty like i said and we're here in the middle of season three and and we're at two so far so they like i said they do start coming yeah pretty good here you know indeed um and there's a reason why they're that video is six minutes long.

[41:09] All right uh jeff so with that uh i rated the episode you get to rank it my friend you get to take this episode and place it in our 100 completely accurate and definitive ranking of Stargate SG one season three. Let's go with our current top five today. The current top five. I'll go. I'll go from five down to one. Number five is dead man switch. Number four is legacy. Three is into the fire. Two is learning curve. And one is fair game. Jeff. I really have no idea where you're going to place this one. I could see this going in multiple directions. And once you lay it on us, where do you place completely accurately? This in the ranking so far it's not going to be in the top five so we can we can know that but my question really comes down to it's either going to be above demons or above point of view so it's either going to be the new number six or seven, And the question I'm asking myself right now is, how did this episode end compared to the other ones? We joked in the watch that, like, oh, it's just over. Like, look at that. They showed the Apophis video, and now the episode's just done. Wow, okay. Okay, look at that. So does that hold up compared to... So the Unas, like, hit a guy and just died? Like, what?

[42:32] What was that? Right. possibly the coolest thing that could happen and i as i say that it is the story in this one was done there was no reason for them to show more there was stuff in demons that should have happened and didn't and it's it hurt it last week it's hurting it again brent this is going to be uh rules of engagement is our new number six episode six all right all right well jeff uh with that that is going to wrap up rules of engagement put a bow on that one uh next time jeff you want to talk about what we're listening to or what we're watching next time yeah what are we watching we're watching it i've i've actually been very excited for you to get to this episode okay i cannot tell you why until after you watch it i'm nervous jeff take your phones off because jeff here you can't look at my work don't look at my mouth because jeff has been talking about this since the pilot episode uh this is the one where daniel and uh sharae so yeah that's just in case you guys didn't know he's been at this was what he thought the end of season one was going to be was this episode here yeah i just just trying to remind the folks at home in case they didn't remember what this particular episode was about um why brent is is so excited but like i said i just i can't tell you until after yeah that's fair after next i i am saying nothing of the quality of the episode you will have to decide that for yourself there is a specific reason uh that has nothing to do with that has everything to do with the content of the episode not the quality of the episode.

[44:02] So I'll let you make that decision unabated by me. I just...

[44:07] So I'm excited for it. Would you like to venture a guess, though? Let's see how close you cannot get to this episode. Forever in a Day is the name of the title of the episode. Forever in a Day. Not and a day. Forever in. I-N. Forever in a Day. Is this a sequel to Brief Candle? Maybe? That's going to be my guess. Like, this is going to build on that, like, well, they tried to fix that. So maybe this is a go back and look at trying to fix the Brief Candle stuff. Mm-hmm.

[44:37] Yeah. That's, that's very specific and also super general. So it is super safe, safe shot. It's the gist is it's going to be one of those like compressed timeframe things, you know, like we're going to see old Jack again, maybe. So I'd be good with that. They did good. They did a good job with the old makeup. All right. Well, we'll find out next time right here on Stargate SG one for the first time, still not a Star Trek podcast. Hey, thank you guys out there so much for joining us. please be sure to check us out wherever you get your podcast or your youtube videos leave us ratings reviews subscribe like all that sort of stuff it it helps us out a ton you wouldn't even believe how much it does also please share this video with someone that you know who needs some sg1 in their life a little more sg1 in their life uh to go through somebody who likes this show somebody who's trying to relive it or somebody who like my friend jeff over there is watching it for the very first time thank you guys so much we'll see you next week for forever and a day until then hey brent what's up warriors of by nerds listen to the one that holds the vocume brent standing before you speaks in my name heed his words he is much loved by a pop aiken brent.

[45:59] Go ahead brent go go keep crying out loud.

[46:10] Music.

[46:15] Okay i did not see that one coming i didn't read it i didn't see it in the note i did not see it in the note you i i saw the note about the time you said it in my ears of apophican i was like, oh my god i love his name we had alt pophis and now we've got a pop akin like you can do a lot with that name you're so stupid.