Forever in a Day

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Forever in a Day - Season 3, Episode 10

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SG1_310 Forever in a Day

Transcript

[0:00]

Music.

[0:14]

Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast.

My name is Jeff Akin and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.

And I'm Brent Allen and I'm also watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.

However, I actually have seen this show quite a bit before, 47 times to be exact.

However, for the very first time, I am watching this show intentionally looking

for messages that maybe I've just never thought about before.

You know, those good sci-fi messages that sci-fi uniquely is positioned to do.

Things that give us hope that things are going to be better in the future.

Things that hold up a mirror to society and show us how awesome or stupidly ugly we are.

Or just teaching us how to be plain better human beings to one another.

We're going to do that today by watching the 10th episode of the third season

of SG-1, Forever in a Day.

Last week, I guessed what this one was going to be about. out and I thought

it might be a sequel or an inspired by brief candle, basically.

[1:15]

Compressing someone's lifetime where they live forever in a day and we'll find

out if that happens before we get there though. Brent, why don't you tell us

a bit about this episode?

Jeff, I'm going to give you a bit of a teaser for this episode. Oh, yikes. Okay.

This is an episode that you don't realize it right now in this moment.

You will, by the time it's done, you have been waiting for this episode for a long time.

Time really i know you i've known you

for a very long time at this point i've worked with you a lot you

have been waiting for this episode for a long time and you don't even

know why right now you'll find out though oh my gosh expectations

right now no no no no no no that says nothing about the quality of the episode

fair enough fair enough actually watch the episode before we get there this

is as you mentioned the 10th episode season three forever in a day air date

october 8th 1999 in case you're keeping track last time was august 20th so we've

had a little bit of a a break.

Hey, listen, not bad. New season premieres. They get nine episodes in a row.

Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. It's time for a little break. You know,

they took a few weeks off.

So August, uh, uh, October 8th, this episode is written by our show creator.

One of our show creators, Jonathan Glassner directed by our resident Alfred

Hitchcock, Peter Deloes.

So we'll be on the lookout for that cameo as we go into that.

Uh, that's all I got for you on the front end of this Jeff. There is quite a

bit on the back end. I wanna share.

[2:34]

But i can't do it until we watch the episode otherwise i'm gonna give the whole

dang thing away so i want to do this i want to see this thing with that uh it's

time for us as i mentioned just a second ago we're gonna go watch this episode

if you guys are joining us for the very first time

here's how this works for the third time i'm gonna

say jeff and i are about to go watch this episode right now

uh but we're not gonna pause the recording and go

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us that five-star review.

It means the world to us, but you're about to join us on the other side of this.

Jeff, can I stop you just for a second?

You may, I want to make a plea that we have not made, at least to my knowledge.

I don't think we have made this in SG one for the first time. Okay.

[3:51]

Stargate SG one for this is specifically to you podcast listeners out there.

So you podcast folks out there Stargate for the first time is very different.

It's on a different feed It's a different podcast than Babylon 5 for the first

time Those of you that were with us at Babylon 5 you guys were amazing at leaving

us ratings and reviews blew us up you guys are.

[4:12]

One of the main reasons that Babylon 5 became the success that it was because

you guys were telling people How much fun you were having watching the show?

However, Stargate for the first time is a different show altogether, which means.

[4:25]

Those reviews don't carry over to this show so here's what we'd love to ask

you guys specifically even if you've already left us a rating and review of

babylon 5 for the first time,

please go over to stargate for the first time the the feed you're listening

to this episode in and leave us a brand new rating and review for this show

right here stargate sg1 for the first,

Back to you, Jeff, after you've gone and left us that review,

if you haven't already, but go do that really quick, then we're gonna meet you

on the other side of the episode. I'm gonna share my first time reactions.

Brent's gonna share the sci-fi messages he pulled out of it.

Brent, let's do this forever in a day.

[5:04]

Music.

[5:20]

All right jeff so we have just watched forever in

a day or you know forever in

a moment whatever for the very first time jeff

i have to tell you before you go into your deal this is one of those episodes

i tend to not enjoy a whole lot really i loved watching this episode with you

yeah i I loved watching this episode for doing this the way that we're doing this.

I have never enjoyed this episode as much as I have during this run.

Watch through right here. However, this is not about what Brent thinks about this episode.

This is about what you think about this episode. Jeff, lay it on us, pal.

This might honestly be my favorite episode of Stargate SG-1 to this point.

Shut up. No, it's not. I loved it. Really?

Wow. There's a thing you say frequently, and it's so true, that if an episode

can make me feel something, right?

Right not even feel good but feel something it's

good as this episode wrapped up I got for reals goosebumps

that I like held up if you're listening to the audio

on this and I should put it up to my camera like

I this episode hit me in so many

ways it was this was an exciting episode

it was one of the things I love about Stargate is how it's episodic and you

say this I'm repeating things you've said so many times but they came to fruition

here what Brent knows what he's talking talking about right sorry is that that's

what i just heard you say almost like you watch this before and know what you're doing who knew who knew.

[6:49]

But no, for real, like this is an episodic show that sometimes pulls things out from past episodes.

And this is one of those moments where so many episodes converge.

Children of the gods secrets need in a way, even like so many of these things

came together, these seeds that were planted in what is now like the, the, the arc,

you know, for the next little, little while I, in our very first episode of

this podcast, I said, said, the season one finale is gonna be Daniel finding and freeing Sha Ray.

[7:24]

What an incredible bit of subversion in this episode where one,

it took him two and a half seasons to just drop this in the middle of season three.

Randomly here you go. Here you go. And honestly, I gave a note here. I I'm a little upset.

This wasn't a two-parter like I almost wish that they went into more detail

and spent some more time on a few things.

[7:46]

Also it was fine like you know it's just

that's just me being overindulgent but took

two and a half seasons to get to where i thought

we were gonna get in one and then they didn't save

shah ray they killed her she dead whoa

yeah whoa this whole

time whole time i've been in the they're somehow

gonna find a way to get ammonette out of

her and and shah ray's gonna

be back or whatever ever and whoa the the

guts that it took to to kill her and

in such a huge way i i i

think what was cool about this and just looking back when i watch this again

i'm gonna see more of these but there were little hints i picked up on mostly

with kasuf with good father that show that this wasn't real yeah there were

too many things happening where things just weren't right or someone said said,

or knew a thing that I'm excited to watch this one again, just, just for that reason.

But look like we got the kid, right? That Apophis and, and, uh,

Ammonite came and had together. He's what's called a har.

[8:55]

Yeah, this is important. Let's make sure we talk about this.

Make sure you're clear on what this is. Yeah. He's a child.

Yep. So the is when, so when, when the two hosts come together and reproduce.

Basically two Tari or two UNAS or what?

That's I don't know. I'm just gonna guess the two, whatever it is. Yeah.

They come together and those bodies reproduce and mate all of the genetic memory

of those gold are hidden are, are, are in the memory of that kid.

So they know everything.

Of not just so, so think about it. So gold have genetic memory,

which means that they have all the memory of all the gold who come before it.

Yes. Yes, their mother, their, their grandmother, so on and so forth, all the way back.

The Harcisa's child though, has the genetic memory of both lines.

Do you know in science fiction, do you know what they call that?

They call that the Kwisatz Haderach.

[9:53]

This is the shortening of the way. This is where Stargate and Dune intersect perfectly.

Perfectly at the time we're recording this there's

just the the two the two parts of the first dune

book that have been put out in in the movies there's rumors

they're going to do the next one maybe by the time this comes out the they'll be

working on dune messiah which would be awesome but what you see is the birth

of the quissas hadarach we don't even know really i think they i think they

said the term maybe in the movie i don't even remember for sure jeff's about

jeff's about to turn this into dune for the first time and we're not trying

to go there but i think but But it's relevant for those of you out there.

I know there are a lot of you who have read all the Dune books.

Like, there's such a thing here. So, Alia, in the film, you see the baby,

and, like, she's conversing with Jessica, and she's having some pretty,

you know, grown-up thoughts.

The gist with Alia is her genetic memory, and hers is just the female line,

but her genetic memory burst open and was live while she was in utero.

So she's in the womb fully aware and has thousands of years of memories to build off of.

[11:01]

That sounds like the harcesis i'll tell you what between alia

muadib and lito ii these three people

who have a massive amount of genetic memory they mess up

the universe in a really big way and you could say they save

it but they're alert that's why i tried to keep

it really high level a really high level so i'm excited for

this i'm excited for this piece so but think about that for a

second though okay here you have so the child itself

has the entire genetic memory

of the gold to two lines of it

going all the way back they know all the secrets all the knowledge of the gold

who've come before it they themselves do not have a gold right they are not

necessarily loyal to the they

know and understand that their parents are being used as parasitic hosts.

[11:48]

How much hatred do you think a harcesus child as it grows up would have for

the gold how much How much danger is that to the goal old for that to ha be

exactly, and this, you know, talk talks about that, how like they are hunted voraciously.

If the, if it happens, it's, it's forbidden, it's punishable by death.

And when, when those kids is, is born, they're all hands on deck to go kill it.

It makes me wonder though, like what if instead of that, they,

I think it speaks to the danger because what if they kept them and raised them

and tried to recondition them,

but that's probably not possible with just all of those memories,

all the knowledge they have.

They know more, like you're gonna have little dude and you're gonna have Emanet

and little dude knows more than Emanet. Yeah.

An actual, an actual gold, huge man.

And what I think is cool about it is that it, it, Daniel through all of this

tenders his resignation, he's done and his reason for being done makes sense.

I joined the SGC to find my wife and there she is in the morgue and we're were

about to bury her in a absolutely beautiful ritual and ceremony on Avidos.

[12:56]

Done. My mission's accomplished. Didn't end the way I wanted it to,

but my mission is accomplished.

Through these scenes, the visions that he has, the visions he has in his vision.

[13:06]

Time and again, you got to find the boy.

You got to find the boy. Kasuf comes in, you got to find the boy.

He's getting beat over the head with, you got to find the boy.

Why? He's the Harcissus. He is the Kwisatz Haderach. He's the shortening of the way.

Go find him Daniel had a

why and his why was completed he has a

new why and he's back I just

felt as a just as a point to put out there that

that's the power of knowing your motivation and knowing

your why he's back he's all in he's good

and I think part of that that process for

him and understanding his motivation is part of how he was able to

move to forgiveness with Tilk that and and

shot right telling him forgive tilk he did

the right thing you gotta get there yeah you

gotta get there to it for sure and it's hard to do we're

gonna talk about this this more i'm sure when we get into the chevron

conversation but i mean there were just two impossible situations that we watched

in this episode the there's daniel's spot where i even had to like i had to

stop the video and try and wrap my mind around all the things going on for him

i mean his the the physical manifestation of his wife with someone else inside,

just tried to kill him in, in a really awful way.

One of his good friends came in and killed her saving his life.

But I mean, just so much there.

And then here's tilk. I can watch my friend die or I can kill his wife.

[14:31]

There's no win out of this whole thing, but there is, uh, because that's the

power, the power of forgiveness.

Yeah. Yeah, I, I, just to, to kind of wrap my thoughts up and I wanna leave

a lot of time for the Chevron conversation,

cuz I have stuff for that also, the construct, the idea, the science fiction

idea for this episode is fan freaking tastic forever.

In a day, dude, in, in, in the, in the moment between almost dying.

Yep. And Sha Ray getting staff blasted. did, he experiences all of this,

the, the, the entire forgiveness journey, he experiences the,

the processing of his, why he's able to work through all of these things.

So that in that moment, tilt just made that impossible.

That Sophie's choice, right? Where he's just like, what horrible thing do I do?

He picked one. And in seconds after that, he's able to, Daniel's able to look

at him and say, you did the right thing.

[15:34]

That is so powerful. So incredible. Before we get to your conversation,

uh, it's time to update our tracking board. We're tracking a number of things.

I don't think we got any, uh, we didn't get any for crying out louds and deeds,

no deaths. You know, I feel like we've probably missed a few indeeds at this point.

Um, we didn't, Daniel did not die. So we cannot count this as a death for Daniel.

We didn't get a new boyfriend for Sam.

We didn't get any for crying out louds that I heard from jack but

we did get something and we are counting these this isn't a

part of our actual tracking sheet that we're doing but we are counting these this

marks the fourth gold killed by sg1 yes

or at least major gold i i i feel

like we've done maybe one or two smaller ones but this is

the fourth major one there was raw which was from the movie that

you haven't seen in 20 years um there was hathor if

you remember her unfortunately there was seth and now

amanette now they were around for apophis's

death uh but they they weren't really responsible for his

death in a direct way so we're

not going to count apophis on their uh to their credit but we will count these

other four uh to his credit emanet uh gone it's a pretty big deal they're i

mean you're picking these guys off right yeah boom boom boom the other thing

i want to do is you know we instituted a while ago this kind of goddess god

goddess check yeah the myth our Or mythology piece.

Yeah. Well, this is a mythology check. There, there's no real god goddess to go through.

I wanna go to the funeral scene and you talk about how beautiful that ceremony was.

[17:03]

They go through, you see the scales has the little monkey guy on top and Daniel

places the feather on the scale.

And he says, if your heart is, if, if your heart is heavier than the feather.

[17:13]

Then you still have sin and you can't go be with the god um gods

uh he said the god he said

the god multiple times and i was like i don't know

if it's just one but whatever this is actually a piece

of real ancient egyptian mythology i i

have never in my studies um and

and i've i have taught ancient egyptian mythology

before as a in a classroom so i'm not

saying that i am an ancient egyptian an expert you know

more than the average bear yeah there you go there you go

i've never heard of this actually being part of

a funeral process okay however

uh part of the mythology is that when a person dies they would go to osiris

osiris is the god of the underworld all right and this he was kind of in later

method whatever he was the god of underworld you would go and where you would

would have your heart weighed against a feather on a set of scales.

Okay. And so this whole process is, is actually fairly true to the myth of what

would happen to your soul when you got down, you know, you had to travel over

water and all this sort of stuff, uh, but it, it would weigh and if your heart

was heavier than the feather,

that would mean that it still had sin in the, in the heart. You still had guilt, you still had whatever.

[18:28]

And basically there was like an, an, a dog with an alligator head.

Okay. okay chilling nearby and he would like snatch you

and drag you off to hell okay wow wow if you

were there otherwise osiris would let you

cross and and go on to be in you know

ancient egyptian heaven so uh that was a very real thing i've just never seen

it in part of a funeral thing but i i loved that they pulled that in because

it was that was pretty pretty solid it really was and i think it's i don't know

it's just really cool i think another piece in the mythology thing we won't

dive into to now, cuz it'll come up in a future episode,

but the boy is apparently in Keb, oh yeah, which is a place where Osiris hid from Seth.

Yes. But we don't know where Keb is. Daniel's like, it's a myth. It's a myth. It's a myth.

And then Sha Ray's like, I'm gonna tell you, but before I do that,

I'm gonna kiss you cuz that's awesome. Also now it's the end of your hallucination. So sorry.

It, as far as mythology of SG one goes, you got the two big pieces.

[19:26]

Horses, bad for the gold. We need to go find this kid. Yeah.

Good for the tower. And he's hanging out in cab, but we have no idea where that is.

And you said Daniel now has a new mission. He's got purpose.

All right. Let's talk sci-fi messages and chevrons. What do you got?

Oh my gosh, Jeff. Oh gosh, Jeff.

Um, I wanna take this moment if you're watching the, the Patreon version of

this video, I've already said this, but I would highly recommend if you,

if you have not been following our Babylon five journey,

or we're not with us during that time, head over to the season five episode

two titled very long night of Londo Mallory.

That episode really kind of wrapped up a running thread that led through.

[20:09]

Basically the whole show so much of it and

it culminated in that particular episode so that would

be a great episode i'm going to reference it a little bit here and forgive

me if i just assume people have already heard it uh but i'm going

to reference that it's a great episode to go get what i'm going to call the

other half of this conversation that i want to have tonight that's

fair all right uh here's the deal um daniel could

not move on daniel could not do what he needed to do daniel could not embrace

his new why as you so put it as you so eloquently put it just a second ago jeff

while he was withholding forgiveness he had something against teal teal asked

for forgiveness and daniel said no you know on babylon 5 we looked a lot.

[20:52]

At the side of what it means when you have something that you have done wrong

to be quick to ask for forgiveness and i'm not just saying turn around and say

oh i would you just will you you forgive me?

To really feel it, to really repent, to really be sorry, but then to actually

say the words, will you forgive me?

But here in Stargate SG1, in this episode, we actually get the discussion of the other side.

What does it mean to issue forgiveness, to give forgiveness when somebody has

done something to you or that hurts you or something of that nature? sure.

Daniel not only couldn't forgive, he wasn't willing to forgive.

And I want to back that up. Daniel could forgive.

He could. He just wasn't willing to forgive. And I think that's important to

say. We are all capable of forgiving.

To say that you can't is not a statement of ability.

It's a statement of will. It's a horribly debilitating statement.

That's total victimhood. And I just want to say this because I'm well aware

that we're going to have listeners out there who have been hurt wrongfully probably

the person who hurt them does nothing to deserve forgiveness.

[22:07]

They probably in some cases that person doesn't even realize they've done anything wrong,

that person refuses to seek forgiveness that person is not sorry for anything

that they have done regardless of all of that um i'm well aware people have

been hurt and they're holding on to some of that forgiveness i would also like

to say this from the outset and i want to make this perfectly clear,

you are a thousand percent within your rights.

[22:34]

To not forgive okay i'm gonna spend the next few minutes encouraging you to

forgive but you are well within your rights not to and i want to make that perfectly clear,

but i want to talk about a lot of what it does

to you and where this episode really had the discussion here jeff so often particularly

in the early seasons of sg1 they would present an issue and then they would

never discuss it exactly that's not what happened here they presented an issue

and they discussed it for the whole dang episode and we saw the journey we saw the journey,

that daniel got to go on okay daniel was not

willing to forgive he was holding on to blame hurt and

anger that all clearly led

to him being one thing and that's bitter because

kind of like in star wars anger leads to hatred hatred

leads to all the other stuff whatever and then it leads to the dark side right

there's there's a truth to that there really is a truth to that hanging on to

this stuff to anger to to blame he was looking to place blame my wife's dead

and it's It's Teal'c's fault.

My wife said, and it's, oh, wait, it was my fault because I didn't save her or whatever he said.

[23:46]

He's holding on to the hurt. It led him to making bad choices.

It led him to run away because, listen, Daniel was running away.

Let's be really clear. He was running away from the SGC.

He was running, and he wasn't just running from the SGC. He wasn't just running from his job.

He was running away from Teal'c. I'm sorry.

Let's strike that back. He was running away from the hurt and the pain of the

memories that would continually be dragged up if he had stayed and had to face

Teal'c, the man who shot and killed his wife.

But what I would venture to say is let's strike all of that.

What he was actually running away from, Jeff, was the fact that the only way

he could continue in the SGC,

the only way he could continue to see Teal'c every day, the only way he could

continue on SG1 as a part of that team is to issue forgiveness to Teal'c.

And I would submit to you that that is, in fact, what he was really running from.

He was really running from having to issue forgiveness because he didn't want

to forgive. He wanted to hold on to the anger, the hurt, and the bitterness.

He didn't feel like he could let it go, even though it was a choice he was making.

[24:50]

You know just as much as i say and again go to that very long night of londo molari episode.

[24:55]

Just as much as i say we should be quick to turn from our ways

and seek forgiveness we need to be just as quick jeff if

not quicker to freely and openly

issue forgiveness yeah oh

but brent you don't understand what they've done to me you're right

i probably don't but i can tell you for your own sake for

your own heart you will never be free

you will never be able to to live your life free

by hanging on to whatever unforgiveness

you're hanging on to back when we did very long night of

london millari jeff i got a lot of pushback in the comments

and i never responded to these i got a lot of pushback in

the comments from people saying well no no i'll say i'm i'll say

i'm sorry i'll say i ask forgiveness i'm never gonna say i for will you

forgive me and the reason they gave was because it

puts pressure on the other person to forgive and they might not

be forgive ready to forgive and and that just puts a burden

on them and i'm not going to put a burden on them to which i unashamedly

say bs sorry i don't that is not going to fly here i agree i also say this good

because you know what's best for that person is to forgive it is not good for

for anyone to hang on to that bitterness, but your own sake,

your own heart, your own, that the heaviness of your heart is not light as a

feather when you're hanging on to unforgiveness.

You cannot pass that scale test when you're hanging on to that hatred.

[26:24]

I've often heard it said, and I find it so appropriate. I've said it on,

I've said it here at Buy Nerds for a while, Jeff, I've heard you repeat it.

I'm going to say it again.

Hanging on to bitterness is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

It is a poison to your soul people.

[26:39]

To your psyche to your well-being to your

physical health to your mental health asking for

forgiveness the other half of this is only one half

of the way to restoration or to let's use our favorite word

here redemption issuing forgiveness is

the other half just like in the story where daniel

could not get on with what he needed to do he couldn't

do the thing that he was supposed to do the thing

that he was being commissioned by his wife to

go do the thing that he was destined to do

the thing that he alone was uniquely qualified

who is more qualified to go seek this arcesis child than

daniel jackson for real he is uniquely qualified

to do this job and i very and i dare say he really

is the only person who could do it he could not

do that while holding on to bitterness it took Sharae four-fifths

of this episode if not more to get Daniel

to forgive that was the whole crux of this episode

because once he was able to forgive she could

give him new orders she could sell him what's up tell him where to go and he

was able to get on with with the job but he had to stay in this spot where he

could forgive it doesn't make sense it really doesn't this is I'm talking about

something here that doesn't make sense it doesn't it that I hope that this is

hard for people because it is something that we all need to hear.

But I also hope that this is freeing for people to hear. And I'm sorry,

I don't mean to issue a sermon here, Jeff. I'm really not trying to do that.

[28:03]

You, like I say, you have the absolute right not to forgive.

You can choose that. You can choose that. But I'm telling you,

if you make that choice, you are cutting yourself off from being able to live

your own best life, from being able to live your fullest life.

You will never be at peace with yourself if you choose to hang on to bitterness

and not forgive, which is your right.

[28:28]

But not only are you going to be trapped in that muck in the mire the rest

of the world those around you your family your friends the people that

you would impact are going to be missing your impact the

thing that you uniquely are qualified to do in

their life the thing that you are the only one who could actually make happen

that is then going to be taken away from other people it's not your responsibility

to give that to them that's that's i'm just saying that is going to be a natural

byproduct of that daniel could not have gone forward from this episode He would

have been out of the show if he could not have forgiven as a character. Yeah.

I'll wrap this up by saying this. I want to plead with everyone out there listening

to the sound of our voices.

If there is something you're holding on to, do the work.

It is not easy to forgive, but do the work to lead to forgiveness and issue that forgiveness.

And here's the really cool thing. You don't need the other person to seek forgiveness

in order for you to issue forgiveness. forgiveness.

Those are two mutually exclusive, independent things.

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Jeff, I know you have some things to say, but I'm just going to go ahead and issue.

This is a seven Chevron. Jeff, I'd even get this because this one,

this one doesn't even exist in the realm of humanity.

This goes to the soul, to the person. This is an eight Chevron episode.

Heck yes. This takes us to Asgard, takes us that far. Oh gosh.

So I wanted to bring to this a lot. This is some super personal stuff.

I've been been doing a lot of forgiveness work myself.

At the time of recording this a couple months ago, I had a person do a really,

really awful, horrible, hurtful thing to me that was awful and bad.

And to your point Brent about like when you can't forgive the people around

you are affected and don't get the best in you, you saw it firsthand many times.

Like we, we would come here to record or we wouldn't because of it.

And I'm like, Hey, I have this like, rah, that I got to get off my chest before

we can go and do this thing.

And thank you for being so willing to take all that, all of that from me as

we were moving forward with it.

But what I've learned on my journey is that forgiveness actually doesn't have,

like what you were saying, doesn't have to have anything to do with the other person.

In my case, forgiveness, it's a me thing.

In Daniel's case, it's a Daniel thing. It's not about telling Tilt that you

forgive him. Hey, that's great.

Tilt probably, I mean, you saw it in that moment, right?

And he said he did the right thing. He's like, okay, all right, cool, good.

[30:57]

But it's you, right? Like in my case, the perpetrator against things,

they're living a high life. They're doing great, whatever.

I'm the one over here waking up at 4.18 every morning with my mind spinning out of control.

I'm the one blowing off commitments and things like

that because i have this thing in me so forgiveness is a

you thing right and i think when you accept that it makes

it a little bit easier because for what forgiveness is not forgive

forgiveness is not condoning what happened

it's not accepting what happened and it's not saying that it's okay for it to

happen in the future i heard a great quote from someone in a relationship kind

of context around forgiveness they said that a great way to approach it is to

say to the person either either to their face or in your own mind, as you're working on it,

I can see that what you were doing worked for you at the time,

but it never, ever worked for me.

That's not saying they were doing the best they could. It's saying that in that

moment, it worked for them.

Didn't work for you. So you're not accepting anything.

[31:58]

It took me from the time of what happened to me to the time I decided to actually

dedicate myself to forgiveness.

It took 92 days, 92 days for me to get there. there.

And that was a while ago. I'm still working on it, but I want to really quickly

share what I've developed as a four step process to forgive us.

We go back to the long night of Lando Mallory, go back to passing through Gethsemane

on our Babylon five thing.

We talk about the steps of an apology and things like that I've come up with.

And this is the first time I've shared these, but four steps to forgiving that

I'm personally working through.

And step one is expressing the hurt and being heard.

Now, being heard doesn't mean that person has to hear you. You need to hear you.

I can tell you what, when I was talking to that person who wasn't in front of

me, it was just, you know, it's...

[32:46]

Talking to the the thought of them the spirit of them there's

some stuff that came out that needed to come

out and it was uncontrollable this vomit of

emotion and it felt pretty awesome after those

things were said and i heard them said step two is to release the control control

over how the other person is going to react or respond you don't have any control

they're going to whatever they're going to do so accept that step three is understanding

that they will be held accountable and will have to take accountability.

The thing about that, though, is you may not ever see that accountability.

You may not know what that accountability is. It may not happen in the way,

the time, or the place that you wish it would, but in some time and place,

depending on your belief system, that accountability will be there.

And step four is to let go. Once you have done that work, you can actually let go and forgive.

And that's not saying it's okay. That's stopping drinking the poison is what that's doing.

That's all it is and i'll tell you i'm not there all the way i still have work

to do but just doing the work i have done oh my god it feels incredible incredible

and it feels empowering to be really honest like i feel like i have agency again

i couldn't i could not possibly agree more.

[34:04]

Uh this is an eight chevron episode this was incredible if i may jeff um it

has been been incredible to be alongside you in this journey over,

frankly, what's been a very long time.

It's been a lot longer than 92 days. Yes. Although that work has been happening.

And what you say there is fantastic.

[34:26]

It is an ongoing process, but what you have done and, and if I'm wrong and I'm

reading this wrong, please feel free to correct me.

You made a choice to forgive.

Now you're doing the work to fully realize that. But the thing is you made the choice.

That's the forgiveness is you made the choice.

[34:45]

Now you still have the work to do and there's more work to do,

but that's where it starts.

It's not, you do the work and now you make the choice. You make the choice.

I'm going to forgive. give, now we're gonna work out what that actually looks like.

I couldn't do the work until I made the, I tried doing the work first.

Cuz I, I've been doing a lot of work for a long time on things.

And I tried putting that cart in front of the horse. It didn't work.

And, and even making the choice wasn't this like binary moment.

It took me some time to even truly make the choice.

But there's still gonna be the things that activate you. There's still gonna be times you get angry.

There's still gonna be times that you don't feel great about a thing.

Thing, forgiveness is not gone, right? It's still there.

But as you do that work, the work of forgiveness, when you do the work to make

the choice and you make the choice and you do the work, those times and moments are fine.

They're gonna happen. They're gonna happen and you're gonna be okay.

And you know, a lot of times forgiveness is a choice you wake up and you have

to make every day, every, and sometimes multiple times a day.

But when you do that, you can, you can move forward.

Word you can and jeff i will tell you you

have been better as of late yeah and

i know you're still not where you want to be or where you need to be but frankly

who is that's the journey um i'll give one one more piece and this is this is

brent's own testimony if that's the right word here's the deal i tend to be

a person who is very quick to forgive it is not immediate for me okay Okay.

[36:13]

Nobody makes me angrier than my wife and my kids.

And there are times when things happen that my wife is a person who is super

quick. She wants to resolve conflict like right now.

And so if something happens, sometimes I send my kid to the room,

to his room, because I need space for a moment.

Not that I'm going to ground him, not that he's in trouble, not that X, Y, Z.

I need space for a moment to calm down.

You know what I mean? Like, like I've got but i also am quick to get there my

kid has never done anything to me that is detrimental okay there are people

out there who have really solid detrimental things that have happened,

you for example and i'm not gonna put your business out there but

does. Anyway, eight chevrons. I feel like we've driven this into the ground. I would say this.

[37:06]

I am not a certified counselor. I've had some counseling classes.

I'm not a certified counselor, but I have made this offer before and I will make this offer again.

Sometimes people need a stranger to talk to.

They need somebody who's not in their life, somebody who's not in their circle,

somebody they're not going to run into at the grocery store um if

i can be that for you my email and my dms are

open at brent allen live across all the social medias hit

us up shoot us an email over at our at our uh our webpage

uh by nerds.com i think is where

we're at jeff is that right yep by nerds.com you can

click an email form shoot us an email i would if if i can serve you in that

way guys i make that offer to everybody i'm happy to not as a counselor but

just to be a voice to be an ear to just be somebody you can talk to if you want

uh it's there but i i beg you all to forgive,

all of that jeff very huge

christmas bow i think i know where this next

part is going probably i i really almost just feel silly and going through it

but it is the exercise of the moment i rate you rank that's how this show works

jeff we are doing our definitive 100 completely accurate accurate ranking of

season three of Stargate S G one,

our current ranking sits at,

Number one is fair game. Jeff, where would you like to place this episode forever?

Yeah, forever and a day is our new number one.

[38:34]

If you didn't know that from the second we came out of the episode,

then you haven't been paying attention.

I have to tell you, Jeff, no way, shape, or form would I have put that at number

one coming into this episode today. Wow, that's incredible.

I think one of my favorite things about this project we're doing are the times

you can share that, where you're

like, Like I've seen this episode 800,000 and 47 times and whatever,

but this lens, this experience is whatever has completely changed it for me.

I just love hearing that.

Well, Jeff, that is going to do it here for forever in a day.

We're going to wrap that episode. It's time to start looking towards the next one, man.

I got to tell you, this is one of those. I almost feel sorry for the next episode. Oh no.

How, no. How the heck do you follow this up? You know, and, and for whatever

people think, I mean, Jeff, as you said, if an episode can make you feel, I don't care.

I don't, I don't care if it's the Muta doll fighting somebody,

if it makes you feel, oh man.

Uh, but we're going to, we're going to watch it and we're going to see what

it can do. It's an episode called past and present.

Uh, I will give you a hint. This is a sequel episode.

[39:43]

Okay. This is the only thing I'm going to tell you. This is a seat.

We have, we had, we had an episode earlier in our run of SG one.

I'm not going to tell you where this is the sequel to that episode.

That's the only thing I'm going to tell you. What comes to mind,

and you'll be able to tell what other TV I've been watching when I say it.

This is in the title of it that brings me past, past and present.

Past and present, yeah. Past and present. It conjures up for me second season

episode, Deep Space Nine, past prologue.

That was first season episode, wasn't it? Wasn't that like the second episode,

like right after Emissary? Yes. Yep. It was the third episode.

Yeah, because there was Emissary Babel and then this one. Why did I think it

was second season? I don't know. Either way, just watched it.

[40:27]

And, uh, I think Catherine powers wrote it. Oh yeah. I think.

Yeah, she did. Yeah. She, yeah. She wrote past past prologue.

Catherine powers or a lady who brought us emancipation and brief candle Thor's

hammer and Thor's hammer.

I think this is going to be a sequel to secrets.

Uh, secrets is the one where we kind of had, uh, the, was it secrets?

The, the underground, like the, the people tracking Jack through Washington,

DC and kind of looking at like that

whole anti where we met jacob yeah for the

first time so i think it's going to be that and we're going to start getting

some look at some terrorist more like

terrorist sort of things and i'll just follow

the past prologue thing there's going to be someone involved in

that whole thing that comes to the sgc not in

terms of like i'm going to get you but in terms of like

i need to i need to tell you what's going on and

like almost then i can pass prologue there he came looking for asylum they're

not going to do that in this one it's going to come looking for like look i

want to defect almost i want to come to your side and tell you all the stuff

start telling you the stuff that's going on you're a good guesser jeff yeah

sure sure i just wanted a chance to talk about deep space nine you know it's

not a bad thing to try to talk about.

[41:41]

Um hey listen that's gonna do it for us here on this week of sg1 for the first

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Brett, this was a great one. I really enjoyed it for crying out loud.

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