Pretense

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Pretense - Season 3, Episode 15

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Transcript

SG1_315 Pretense

Transcript

[0:00]

Music.

[0:14]

Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Still not a Star Trek podcast.

My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.

And I'm Brent Allen, and I'm also watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.

Truth is, I've actually seen the show about 47 times.

However, for the very first time, I'm slowing this down, and I'm trying to dive

into it and find out what are those good sci-fi messages that Stargate is trying to teach us.

You know those things that hold up a mirror to society shows

how we can be better human beings to one another or just

give us hope that things could be better in the future this week

brett we're going to see if that happens in the 15th episode of the

third season of sg1 pretense now last

week when i uh just tried to figure out what it's going to be

made my prediction went through a couple of different things i

had past tense in my head when i

started with pretense post tense all those things no

it's a pretense and i think hammond general hammond is going to have a

pretense he's going to put sg1 through the ringer some rough

stuff and at the end he'll have something cool like hey you passed the test

and now general o'neill or lieutenant jackson or some something will happen

that's really cool and happy at the very end okay i'm gonna do something i don't

usually do jeff okay i'm gonna tell you you just nailed the episode what but not for this episode.

[1:39]

What you just described is an

episode of stargate like where hammond messes with

him and then oh you win you're promoted there's a

little more to it than that but yeah it is the that is literally what it is

the whole like and that's what the episode is i i will not tell you when we

get to that it is not however this episode that's fair that's fair but that

is that is the plot line of,

of that and it's, it's, it's actually, it's a, one of my favorite episodes.

I really like that episode.

So that's a great prediction. That's a great idea for a show.

I'm glad they stole it from me.

[2:17]

Why don't you, uh, why don't you tell us the details on, uh, on pretense?

Yeah, there's a few details here. This is the 15th episode, season three original air date, Jeff.

Was january 21st 2000 so

we've had about a 10 week break or so since our last episode

of foothold they had to leave some space because of y2k everything

could have changed right everything could have and you know

they needed holiday breaks and stuff this is the first episode of the new millennium

right so we have that one um this is where things start to change a little bit

for sg1 as far as their air dates go and i'll point a few of them out but i'm

not gonna do it too much I'm usually going to go by its air date from the United States.

Okay. However, SG one is now premiering in real time on sky one,

which is like the sci-fi channel over in like England, I guess,

or something like that, or, or the UK.

Um, and they often get the show before we do. Oh, wow.

Like they'd have it several days before we do. So as I put out the,

the original air date, I am, I'm going to be referring to the United States

airdrop or, or air date, not necessarily the, the sky one. Why?

Because America is where I'm from. Well, that's what you got.

That's probably what all this stuff says.

[3:31]

Yeah. So, uh, but, but I may, I may from time to time point out the sky one day.

I believe this particular sky one date was January 19th.

Uh, writer for this episode is written by our old friend, Catherine Powers.

Oh, we're going to call, I'm going to call her Thor's powers.

Catherine Powers has had some really awful episodes.

She's also had some really good episodes though. Yeah. She's kind of one or the other.

Yeah. So the question is, which one is this episode going to fall in?

That's going to be for you to decide my friend. All right. There's a lot of

pressure and I'm a little nervous.

Well, with that, we are going to go watch this episode.

If you're just joining us for the first time, first of all, welcome.

You're amazing. We're so glad you found us.

[4:15]

Here's how this works. Uh, we're about to go watch this episode like right now,

we're gonna, we're gonna not even break this video.

If you're watching the video, you're watching us on YouTube,

hang out because you're gonna catch our reactions. Jeff and I are gonna watch it right now.

Uh, if you're watching us on Patreon, you actually get the full unedited version.

And if you guys wanna find out more about that, you can add over to patreon.com slash bye nerds.

If you're listening on a podcast app, you're about to gate into the future.

We'll be there waiting for you on the other side. where I'll share my first-time reactions.

Brent will go through the sci-fi messages that he found. So let's kick this

bad boy off, Brent. Pretense. Chevron 7 locked.

[4:54]

Music.

[5:12]

Jeff, we have just got done watching this episode pretense. I told you last week, Jeff,

that it wouldn't be until you saw the episode that you would understand the title of the episode,

so now i put it to you do you understand what pretense was

about and take us through your first time

watch was it good i personally love this episode

i watched this episode a lot i love this episode

but i've seen it 47 times how about you as

a first watch is it any good people give star trek a

lot of credit for really nailing court episodes right

you've got uh you know measure of a man you got

that one they did in strange new worlds that was really well

done a whole bunch of other ones they do court episodes well

the one in lower decks was phenomenal it was so good just it was so funny too

the big the big horn and then it was actually like for a fun thing or whatever

right it was like a surprise party or something turned into so awesome but i

think I think that in that shadow,

the mighty shadow that Star Trek casts.

[6:15]

Huge beaming things like this episode of SG-1 don't get a chance necessarily

to shine out in the geek vernacular.

This was an amazing court episode. I loved so much about this one.

And here's where I think it exceeds a lot of the other court episodes as well,

is it had some really good action in it as well that was entirely unexpected.

Expected you have the big explosion in

the beginning the two motherships getting blowed up while scara clorel

is flying down really really slowly in a death glider

and then crashes like oh okay so that's that's just setting this stuff up and

then you have kind of the side b story of them painting the uh the ion cannons

and it's like oh okay they're doing this maybe there'll be you know a little

attack or whatever but then like the whole climax isn't the rendering of the verdict,

the climax is the actual attack.

And you, I, for me, I didn't, I, I saw the attack coming, but I didn't see that

being the pinnacle of, of the episode.

The way they handled the court aspect of this was brilliant.

I think the, um, I hope that we get some more of Lord Zipocna. I liked him.

He is a, is a good advocate or good, uh, good, um, Archon, good Archon.

Hey, can we talk about him real quick? Yeah. Lord Zipocna.

Hey, let's roll out our God goddess check.

[7:39]

So Zipocna is a real, um, God of the ancient world.

He's a Mayan God. he is often uh depicted

as as a large caiman which is

an alligator type creature um looks almost

indistinguishable from an alligator i don't know what the difference is i'm

not a zoologist but he is the demonic personification of the earth's crust he

is the brother of the mayan god earthquake oh okay so you know i guess an earthquake

is those two tumble it tumble it i

don't know what it is but uh yeah he he is not a good guy he's very tricky he's very,

messes with people and not in a good way uh kind

of kind of a god so that is um

a little bit of real world history on zapachma that's cool

explains his outfit explains the outfit quite a bit mayan which

is a little weird but you know it's it's for them that's perfect

and it's awesome i had the chance to tour the mayan ruins

many many years ago and in the yucatan peninsula if

ever had the chance it's quite an experience and uh yeah that's that's cool

but he's real and we saw that's what he was doing in this episode he was messing

with people but doing so in like a legal framework yeah it was done really really

well he made compelling arguments think about think about what you just said

there jeff he made compelling arguments as to why a gold.

[9:02]

Is within his rights to take a human host we as humans and sci-fi is guilty of this for apparent

reasons we're humans telling human stories that's what sci-fi is about but we

put ourselves at the top of everything right the top of the food chain the top

evolutionarily everything.

[9:21]

This episode basically came in and said, what if you're not the top of that?

What if we, as the go old are on top of you?

And so we get the way you treat the things you see as lower.

We get to treat you that way.

Maybe if we could understand the language of horses or trees or anything,

they'd be telling us yet. Stop. Get off.

Get off of me. This hurts. I hate it. And it's humiliating. It hurts when you chop me down.

All those. or they would say would you please get

back on so i can do this because i love doing this with

you i like being able to help you out this is so much fun i

like racing maybe the trees would be like the giving tree like here take my

stuff this is for you or maybe they'd be like ouch stop please yeah stop it

um i'm trying to breathe giving tree by the way such an incredible book like

if you read that book and you don't tear up a little bit i'm sorry like it's

just so it's so powerful hey Hey, by the way,

can I throw a juxtaposition out at you with that? Of course.

So you talk about what if the Goa'uld are actually on top of humans and the humans now get to speak.

Do the Tolan not also treat humans the exact same way?

How do you mean? We don't share our technology with lesser developed people.

[10:38]

So I think there's a difference in not sharing the technology and enslaving you.

Yes, but do or do not the Tolan still consider themselves superior to earth

earthlings? Absolutely.

But I think it's a different type of superior.

So I, so I am superior to, I'm, I am technologically superior to,

I don't know, somebody in the deep reaches of the Amazon in Brazil or something like that.

So I am superior to that person technologically.

I don't see myself as superior to them in any form of hierarchy that would allow

me to take advantage of them.

That's fair. That's the argument that Zipocna was take was making was that you

see yourself as above all these animals, these beasts of burden.

And as a result, you take advantage of them.

We see humans that way. And so we take advantage of you. You happen to have speech good for you.

We're still superior to you, but with that, them not sharing technology,

a hundred percent, the toll in our star Trek in SG one prime directive.

I have never thought about that before Jeff, but the, you said that three or

four times start the course of this episode and i went yeah you walk on to talana

it's like hey i'm in the federation did it not look like starfleet headquarters

in san francisco 100 percent.

[11:59]

Like it was it's why this has to have been intentional because

i think what they even did is they took the ideal of starfleet

the federation and ramped it up a notch right because

what do we see throughout star trek is you know

those damn klingons you know i can never forgive them

for the death of my son we see jack o'neill right in

in a lot of the the stuff in there of you know hey i'm here to do

good stuff also automatically these people are

bad they take it up a step with the tolan where yeah

he's going old tried to attack us also it

breaks my heart that we had to they we

had to attack and kill them it's the most horrible thing well we defended ourselves

and they resulted in their deaths we told them not to come we told they were

gonna we told them not to do that and they did it anyway and now i feel bad

and what does that say about their Their value system,

how they value life, life, life, and how they respect life as well.

Because what we see is we see three very different parties in the gold and Zapakna

and the SG one team is humans.

And then Laya, the Knox who shows up and I tell you, anytime the Knox show up,

that knocks the episode up a Knox or two, a big one.

[13:13]

See what i did yeah see what you did there but it really

does i just there's such a fascinating like the toll into

me now they're cool they're fascinating still but they

are star trek the knocks are still kind of mysterious and uh and and just interesting

to me but they had these three very different groups show up and people they

treated them all with the same level of dignity the same level of respect when

liah showed up she didn't get like red carpet and all the stuff,

but she got treated very well and very respectfully.

[13:42]

Now I have a question. Mm-hmm and the two motherships that blowed up early in the episode.

I feel like I heard this, but I wanna confirm that her Aurora,

her, her was on one of the motherships and he dead now. Is that what I heard?

It was his motherships who were coming after them.

He was not necessarily on board. One of them.

He owns more. it's like we own more than one aircraft carrier

as a navy slash mothership is

just two of his motherships two of his forces okay so i wanted

to want to be clear on that because i felt like if they just killed him

that kind of just flew by real fast and didn't

get any attention at the end of the episode you made

a an observation and at the same time i was marking

down a question and i think i remember the answer to this but i'm not sure

you made the observation that scara ran up to

hug sam they don't know each other sam has

only known scar as clarell the whole time

so man it's interesting they're hugging you said hey they're new friends and

that's great they're happy to see each other i wonder is scar gonna have any

of clarell's memories emotions is there any part of clarell that's left in scar

now if i remember right with jolin are some of that happened because

Joel and are died in Sam.

So there was like an absorbed into Sam.

And so that's why she has it. But to the level that she does,

I'm curious if there's any bit of.

[15:09]

Of clarell that's left in scar or if it's a clean

a clean break and that's why i thought maybe they were hugging because

they're like hey we're blenders like we we both was

blended those two and then that girl kendra from the

thor's hammer planet yeah catherine powers

seems to be all about these uh people getting the the golds pulled out of them

right right put a pin in that idea jeff it'll be a very long time but eventually

we can i'm not going to say we're going to answer that question but we will

be able to address it with a little more information but i will also say.

[15:43]

Do remember one thing scar is going to go through with all of this he's going

to need some therapy a little because he remembers everything so even if he

doesn't retain the knowledge of the gold and the memories of the gold he does

at least retain the knowledge that he

gained while he was serving as host to Chlorelle and whatever gets left behind

in scars on mind because the host does survive.

[16:11]

Which brings up some interesting questions when we talk about the and how the

whole thing, wow, his whole thing, I hope I've got a D S on this thing.

That probably sounded terrible otherwise, but the whole thing is that knows

everything of all the gold of all time, right?

Right but here we have one who hung out

with Apophis got some real firsthand stuff and

he was just watching Scar was watching the whole thing I

wonder if he knows where Keb is yeah do you think um

the Pentagon might be interested in having a conversation with Scar a couple

maybe one or two conversations I don't think Jack's gonna give him over but

you know whatever right but might be a might be a thing they have to work through

I found it interesting that they called I called the Tokrah to pull Clarell

out of scar for a couple of reasons.

One was aren't the Tokrah like in hiding and they just like 1,800, the Tokrah.

Hey, we got the, the guy here.

Also, I found it interesting that the Tokrah have a technology to extract a

gold from a host, but the Tolan don't.

[17:14]

Well the the the tokara that's their

thing like they are gold so to

speak the tolan made a whole thing so that

you could have the host and the symbiote

talk okay do you get the idea that they just made that for this situation like

they just whipped it up real quick maybe or is this something that they've had

the designs and plans on and that's been chilling in a vault somewhere for a

while that was the impression i got was like yeah we have this technology that

does this thing So we just did it.

I think I've always thought about it that way is they've just always had it

until I watched this episode I remember thinking like during the course of this

episode going Did they just do they mean they just created that like right now?

[17:55]

I've never considered that before Okay, we need this thing poof There it is yet.

They still don't have a way to extract the symbiote from from a host It's a

much more delicate process, I guess apparently I mean, it's just plot whatever.

[18:07]

It's just interesting to but also also what you learn from that

that though is the tolan the nox

and the tokra the tokra

are at least in communication with each other and

have open doors of communication is anybody

else included in that list it's interesting to me

too let's go down because the nox are one of the

uh the four races the now soon to

be five five races right i was just wondering if you

knew who the four races were so yeah because they named

them out right so there's there's the knox there's the

asgard there's the um i forget

there's one they mentioned that had some weird name

we haven't seen them yeah we well we haven't

seen the other two yet okay they named they named all

of them i'm not gonna tell you if we're ever gonna see them or not either so there's one

i just remember one of them's like i don't remember that one there's the furlings

furlings that's the one i was thinking of and then

who's the fourth one do you remember oh uh the ancients those

were the builders of the stargate yeah so those are are the four i

find it kind of interesting though that the tolan

uh-huh well maybe they're not quite but they seem like they're all in touch

right so they said humanity is going to be the fifth race where do the tolan

figure into that because they seem to be pretty advanced i just always figured

that the tolan are some offshoot of humanity that freed themselves from gold rule or got like.

[19:29]

Or whatever and they just

advanced way faster than we did here on earth okay i

don't i don't see the tolan as physically different than humans whereas the

nox are physically different it's like there's the humans and you have like

a canadian human and an american human yeah here you have humans and you have

an earth human and a tolan human that's my impression i i can't say you know,

like obviously the Asgard are a completely different race.

Very much. So you would assume the furlings are a completely different race.

You would assume the ancients, whatever they are, is a completely different race.

We, Brent, need to update our tracking board. We do. Do we have any trackings

to update for today? I didn't get any for crying out loud.

No indeeds. We had a conversation about Sam and her boyfriend.

I will say we did get, there was one part where Jack went, oh,

please, which was for crying out loud.

Like it was the exact same intonation. It was the exact same thing,

but he didn't say the words. You got to say the words. And they chose not to do it.

That was a conscious choice. Got to say the words.

[20:35]

I'm i am shocked at how little we have

updated this tracking board this season season three has

not had a lot at all it's disappointing as

you said we think with over a tracking wizard of oz references there's been

a couple of those there's been several of those yeah simpsons references real

you know they come in a bunch and yeah yeah yeah one of the big notes that i

have on this i'm going to hand over to you is all of the many themes that were covered in this episode

in great depth and detail.

I spent a lot longer talking about my first time reactions to this than I planned.

We have a lot to talk about in this next section. Brent, why don't you start

talking about the sci-fi messages we pulled?

And when we get through those, you're gonna rate that this episode on a scale

of zero to seven Chevrons as to how strong those messages were.

You know, Jeff, there is, there is an, an art to picking up these messages.

Yep. we have sort of developed a litmus test that we use about the sci-fi messages

is it a hope for a better future a mirror to society or does it tell us how

to be better human beings to one another that's not to say that those are the

only types of sci-fi messages that get put out there.

[21:50]

I think this one expands that on some other levels,

Jeff, this, I have so many notes on this particular section,

but what I'm realizing is this is still a Catherine powers episode.

And what Catherine powers does is she presents issues.

She puts issues out there. She doesn't tend to discuss them.

And then they tend to not really go anywhere.

Right. It's just kind of, But what she did in this episode was she put so many

of them in there and then didn't discuss them.

Hey, uh, you and animals, you use animals.

Do you do this thing with animals? Well, we decide that we're bigger than animals

and you are. And then we didn't hear anything else about it for the rest of the episode.

It's a phenomenal idea. You're like, oh my God. Like, oh, what means what says

that we're higher than animals?

Where do we go with that? How does that, how do we, how do we treat our animals?

Are we treating our animals with respect and, and, and with gratitude,

but we are still using them as beasts of burden and as food and as,

as, uh, are we treating them as lower class,

lower than beings than what we ourselves are?

[23:07]

There's, there's such a thing. I think that we're being talked about here with arrogance.

What is your arrogance as top of the food chain? the toll

and arrogance almost was their undoing 100

there's no way that they're going to get past our

eye on cannons there's nothing they can do

it's impenetrable alloys there's painting they're never before they could do

that they could yeah they could try to come all out at once that's never gonna

happen how's your arrogance hey how's our arrogance as a country you know do we really care.

Are we really going to take anybody out? Whoever comes in and test us.

[23:44]

What is our arrogance to we hit a really good example. When I talk about hope

for the future, you talk about the toll on being star Trek and Stargate.

Can we, as a society get to a spot?

We just got a really good, clear example of a society that has gotten past the

need for war, but they're still able to defend themselves if they need to.

They seem to have gotten in a, let's just assume that that's what it is.

Cause it certainly presents itself as this is a planet that does not have poverty.

This is a planet that does not go without this is a planet that has plenty of

resources for all of its population This is a planet where everybody seems super chill.

I mean Nareem is about as chill as you gonna get You know, I know it when he

comes in when the ghoul they're starting to attack.

He just walks in You should probably look at this thing on your view screen. Just check that out.

That's like his his his level of you know Excitement goes up to four You know.

[24:39]

Um see even having such respect and such regard for life that killing even in your own defense.

[24:48]

Is sickening to you oh wait i'm sorry to have such respect for life that you

could look at a creature such as the gold and go maybe it has a point let's

hear it out and actually hold that and not just summarily dismiss it for what

it is they showed us that did they discuss it did they go anywhere with it.

Did they lead us to any one conclusion or the other? Not really.

There's also this other one, the gold convinced themselves.

And I do wanna, I wanna dive into this one just for a second.

The gold convinced themselves.

They make them feel better about what they do by lying to themselves.

Nothing of the host remains.

[25:26]

Nothing of the host remains. Well, what is that? That's just a remnant. That's not the host.

Even when it's staring you in the face, even when it's having a conversation.

Yeah, that's not really the host. Nothing of the host remains what about your

host nothing when he's looked at zapok and said is your host in there somewhere.

[25:41]

He goes, no, nothing of the host remains. This particular idea reminds me of

what I think is probably Jeff,

the single most important podcast episode I have ever recorded in my life was

for the show. Beam me up a Star Trek podcast.

I did. It was on the episode far beyond the stars where, and it's the only episode

where Matt was with me when we had a guest on.

It's such a great episode. It's such a powerful episode. episode

many times actually and and and just to be clear

while the episode of Star Trek Far Beyond the Stars is a great episode and a

powerful episode you're talking about the podcast episode I am talking about

you the the beam me up a Star Trek podcast the episode for that one and and

the reason for that is is I had a friend of mine on Jessica uh who is a black female who discussed

in really clear depth and, and Matt and I were able just to sit back and go

here, you go, I don't have to put words in your mouth.

And she did such a great eloquent job in a respectful way of addressing things.

And one of, one of Jessica's stories, and I encourage everybody to go listen

to that episode, not because I need more download numbers.

I think I literally think I think everybody should hear this one episode,

if nothing else agreed, but she talks about, and I was there for this.

I, I personally witnessed this one. Okay.

[27:06]

When she was, um, giving birth to her son, her, her second born,

her son, she almost died.

And the reason she almost died is because the doctors did not believe her when

she talked about a pain that she was having that was abnormal. normal.

And she began to illustrate how it, like it literally took her husband going

in and getting somebody else and bringing somebody in who finally listened,

and how the idea and this is very sickening to me and it has been confirmed but there are physician.

[27:43]

Texts that teach that black people have a much higher pain tolerance and feel

pain in a different way or much lower whichever direction it goes but they feel

pain in a different way than what.

[27:58]

White people do and so you can do things to them and it doesn't really matter

Okay, let's rewind the issue of slavery.

And I want to be clear. I'm not just talking about American slavery.

I'm going to talk about slavery throughout all of history across the entire

world. And that includes slavery that's going on today.

The only way that you can enslave another human being is if you determine that

that person is lower than you are.

By what evidence no evidence you just

lie to yourself and you tell your person that that you tell yourself that person

is lower than i am it is the only way

i believe it's something smaller brains they're not

as developed they're not you know they they can handle

the stress of of slavery and working in the fields that

type of slavery because they're basically beasts

to burden their animals they can handle it it's not that big of a deal to

them they don't feel heat eat the same way they don't burn the

same way so they can go do that we're higher on

the food chain it's our Destiny uh you

know uh just disgusting gross every argument you're

making though is exactly what zapakno is saying about humans like this is this

this isn't like just oh I'm gonna like loosely relate these things beat for

beats apocna's like you don't you're not as smart you're not as this you're

not as that so you don't experience things the same and you there's There's nothing left of you.

This is a beat for beat dead on comparison.

[29:23]

That's disgusting and then you get this idea that gets

thrown in there is life of a slave really life at

all that they address because they actually did

go to that one all of those things jeff i i talk about this this is an episode

where it has all of these great star trek ideas right the the great sci-fi messages

that it's just doing but it's like instead of like picking one and just a cannon shot to the heart.

It's just, I'm picking up all these little pebbles. I'm just going to throw

them at you and they're all going to hit. Yeah.

Every single one of them is going to hit, but we're not going to do much with them.

This episode though, Jeff, at the end of the day, it all leads to one question.

What makes an individual an individual?

What makes a human, a human? What gives a person humanity?

[30:10]

This episode, Jeff, in my opinion is Stargate's measure of a man. Yeah.

Except what we don't get is somebody sitting there saying this was we were created

to seek out new life. Well, there it sits.

[30:25]

We don't get the this is the right answer. I kind of like it that way. Yeah.

So how do I rank this? I'm sorry. How do I rate this scale of zero to seven chevrons, Jeff?

[30:38]

I'm not even going to we have to talk about intentionality because we always do.

OK, it's there yeah that's the point of the episode this

is a Catherine Powers episode this is how she writes her episodes right

so okay where do we can I give

it seven I can't because it didn't none of

these questions did it really discuss and

and really look at but there were so many and

they're all great and they've all how long have I been talking about

this Jeff now for 15 minutes almost 10 minutes

oh my gosh and if if you

and I were to actually have a discussion on any one of these where there's

we'll go for another hour so i don't know that i can give

it seven because it didn't really discuss it but

it threw so many out there it is i don't know

how i go much lower than five so do

i meet it in the middle and say six i i think

that's what i gotta do i gotta go six chevrons on this one jeff

even though it didn't really disgust them it

threw them out there it did have some things they did have

some discussion don't don't get me wrong but it didn't like really

turn over we just we hit it we hit it we talked about we moved on but they

were all questions about one central idea what is humanity

what made scara worthy of and on an equal level with chloral to further that

what this essentially said was the body is completely ancillary to the being

there's the being of scara the being of chloral and one of them gets this.

[32:04]

Body that happens to be here. I'm gonna give this six Chevrons, Jeff.

I think that makes a lot of sense because one is just sheer volume, right?

Sheer volume of everything that came through, but well, on the back of that,

I just rated the episode, but Jeff, you get to rank the episode.

You get to take this episode and you get to place it in our 100% completely

accurate and definitive ranking of season three of Stargate SG one,

Jeff, our current at top five let's go through that

is joel and r's memories and the devil you

know we've combined them into one episode because that's what

they were number two is forever in a day number three is

fair game number four is foothold from last week number five is learning curve

jeff i ask you does this crack the top five and if so where and if not still

where it absolutely does and this is one a lot of times when we have episodes

that have big messages to them and really puts it out there There,

a thing we've said quite a bit is incredible episode, incredible message,

and I never want to watch it again.

I think of Cold Lazarus, right? Where it's like, wow, that hit me,

boom, and I'm not going to watch it again.

[33:14]

This is an episode with so many messages, and some of them it dives into,

and I'm dying to watch this one again.

Not as much as Foothold. Like, I don't have that. I'm not going to run out of

here and watch that one again, but I'm going to watch this episode again.

This will not be a skip for me. i am going to make this brent our new number

four episode dropping foothold to number five.

[33:35]

Wow i think it's low but that's okay you think

it should be higher i do i really episode a

lot a lot it's a really good episode but

i mean look look at these the top three that we it's not

going to be number one i i will say joel and his memories in devil you know

was definitely a spectacle yes but i gotta be honest it's not an episode i love

to go back to really it's not an episode i ever go let's go watch these episodes

i honestly neither is forever in a day but forever Reverend day is so poignant,

you know, fair game, fair game is a great one.

Frankly, I'm going to this grouping of episodes right here, this pretense,

foothold, a couple of the other ones coming up on my, can tell you which ones,

like this back half of season three to me is pretty stellar and we're just getting

started on that being said, Jeff, it's time to move on with the back half of

season three, because this is going to put a bow on pretense,

Jeff, would you like to know we're watching next time here on stargate sg1 for

the first time absolutely i love the title for this episode ergo ergo good luck

ergo u-r-g-o one word ergo u-r-g-o u-r-g-o i am.

[34:52]

I i was gonna do a whole i was like oh ergo uh their chairs are hurting their

backs and they They need wrist rests for their mouses, but with a U? Um...

Uh ergo is gonna be some dude's name uh they're

gonna end up on uh i don't know

a ship like i'm thinking like a

boat on the water some transit thing

and there's gonna be some dude named ergo who's gonna they get lost and they

end up on a boat and ergo captain ergo or whatever is gonna help them sail the

seas and they're gonna fight a whale while they're at it and all that sort of

stuff chase it down that's gonna be whole episode they're gonna be looking trying

to he's like i'm I'm going to get that whale.

You can call me Ishmael, but I go by Ergo. There you go. So it's a water episode.

That's what we're going with.

Okay. Yeah, water. All right. Well, there you go. You're not a good guesser, Jeff.

[35:47]

What do you say with Ergo? It's not even a real word. I told you. Good luck. Yeah.

All right. Well, we will see exactly what happens here next time on Stargate SG1.

For the first time, guys, make sure you definitely want to come back next week

We can find out if Jeff is right.

Is it a water episode or not? Thank you guys so much for joining us here this week.

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What's up, Jeff? How many gold does it take to attack in advanced world?

I don't know, Jeff, how many goal rule does it take to attack an advanced world?

A gaggle of Gould's crying out loud.

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