Enjoy this wonderful conversation with my friend, Dr. Simon Floreani. He is a masterful communicator, a playful, joyful being and one of my favorite people (outside of my family) on the planet. From Australia to Spain to the United States he inspires with his wit and wisdom.
To find Simon and Jen, go to welladjusted.co
@drjoyshow
thedrjoyshow@gmail.com
Enjoy this wonderful conversation with my friend, Dr. Simon Floreani. He is a masterful communicator, a playful, joyful being and one of my favorite people (outside of my family) on the planet. From Australia to Spain to the United States he inspires with his wit and wisdom.
To find Simon and Jen, go to welladjusted.co
@drjoyshow
thedrjoyshow@gmail.com
Hello, and welcome to this episode of the Dr. Joy Show. I'm your host, Dr. Laura LaJoie, and we're here to have open conversations with people who are living their lives through the lens of joy. And today I have the privilege of speaking with my friend, Dr. Simon Floriani. He's a husband, father, chiropractor, he's a master teacher, and I like to call him the wizard because of his magical presence. So thank you, Simon, way too kind. Thank you. I, specifically wore my monster t shirt because, this is all about joy and I'll have, you know, that when I bought, I didn't realize it had this sort of like, Oh, this zip with a mouth that enables me to, absolutely bring joy when I wear it in the office. And, uh, and I said, Hey, how are you? So I've got my monster eyes on today just for the fun of it. And, Yeah, I'm very excited to be here and support this. This is a great, great thing to focus on. It's how to bring joy into your life. And I think you've always inspired that. You light up a room when you come. And it's a beautiful thing we've always taught our kids. That some people come from the fabric of sunshine and some people come from dark clouds and rain. And it's always been our focus to not necessarily downplay or negate or talk negative about things that are dark clouds and rain, but with young children, it's easier for them to focus on sunshine. And we say, if you get lost, you just look for a mother that feels like sunshine or a person that feels like sunshine and go and see them, or if there's a dog coming down the street, you can feel with that dog's carrying sunshine or dark clouds and rain. If there's dark clouds and rain, you walk on the other side of the pavement. You don't need to engage with that. And so you've always been that for us. You're like a big ray of sunshine every time we bump into you wherever it is in the world. I feel the same way about you and Jen. It's just magical whenever we get together. And, you know, there's some people that when you hug and embrace, it's like, Hey, hi, bye. And with you, it's always like, Oh, home it's old friends. So it's lovely. Why don't you tell us a little bit about what you're doing right now and where you are in the world? Sure. Well, we are 50/50 time in Australia where we were born and grew up. And then we are living six months of the year in Europe and based in Barcelona. Three of our sons are studying chiropractic at the Barcelona school, which we're very proud to see. And, through the pandemic, we escaped Australia because the lockdowns were so severe and there was a lot of issues with our safety really. And so we decided we would, and we, we'd missed our children, so we hadn't seen them for nearly two years. And we decided we would travel for 10 months and just explore Europe. And so we started doing teaching all through Europe and have set up a teaching schedule through Europe and now back into America. Finally, end of last year, we're back teaching in America and, we're teaching how to really have confidence in adjusting children and pregnant women techniques that are really based on the parasympathetic sympathetic nervous system, helping chiropractors get more confident because we need them to be masterful practitioners and yeah. Jen's writing. So, yeah, so we've got our office still operating in Australia and, some of our sons, one of them graduates in a few months. He'll hopefully go back and work in the office with his partner. And so we're just looking to become global citizens and keep spreading the love around the world. That's fantastic. So how do you personally define joy? I think joy is like spritz, you know, when you have bubbles in your water that just sort of pop. That's what it feels like to me. I think there's a bland, simple way of drinking water or drinking something, but when it's got spritz that's what I would say to joy. That's a beautiful analogy. I love it. Can you think back to an early memory in your life when you felt truly joyful or maybe really became aware of what joy was for the first time or early on? Yeah, I grew up in the Outback in the 70s and the Outback of Australia had no traffic lights. It had no, nothing more than two stories cause they had no elevators and it was very, very much the Outback of Australia in the 1970s was very primitive, and very, very hot. That's right in the center of Australia where life was very still. And I remember we were so hot. We would get up in the morning and swim and you wouldn't need a towel. You'd get out of the pool, you'd be dry. And then I'd get in my school uniform and I'd go to school. I'd come home. The first thing I'd do was swim, get out of the pool, do some homework, go back in the pool. So five, six, seven times a day. So I just remember swimming in the pool and doing somersaults under the water in that quiet, quiet. And, I think that for me was joy, this, that peaceful ebb and flow of just moving my body effortlessly in the water. And I think that's something I go back to a lot, just that quiet peace, just me, no one else, no other interference, and just the quietness of being. in weightless water. So I would say that would be one of my earliest experience. I love that. I'm also a water baby. So that resonates deeply with me. Can you tell us about a time when joy felt truly distant for you and what that journey to joy was like for you coming back? Oh, there's been plenty of those. You know, I was very blessed. I had a very rich childhood with lots of siblings, all of whom we love and still get along. And my parents were really engaged and because we were in the outback there wasn't a lot to do. So family time was a big deal and we really were connected and bonded and did lots of things together. So I was very fortunate for a very, safe, loving upbringing. And then I think my first experience, my first big experience, you know, you have tough, tough things happen in your life. But I think, the first one was the loss of one of our children. We had one of our babies born still. And, I felt so helpless because I'm a chiropractor and a great healer, and to hold one of your children and not be able to squeeze life into it and to, you know, say, come on, you know, I'll give you anything you want, you know, I'll do anything to get you to take one breath. And it really knocked my heart and my confidence to go, wow, I do not have the power that I think I've got. I do not have the controls. So that, that really knocked me because I was meditating, saying to this spirit, we'll look after you, just please come to us. When I was meditating before we knew he'd passed away, but we knew he was really not well in utero, Had this profound meditation where he was like, I'm not coming there. It's too painful. I'll be here in this space with you, but I'm not coming there. I was like, oh, come on We're such great fun. We'll be great parents for you. We'll do anything you know anything to have this great parenting experience with you and I don't recall if it was then or if it was later that he said I'll be here for you always And so it's been a journey back to that joy, knowing that I do have in my heart and my mind, a spiritual guide, one of my children who I can daydream and chat with. He would have been 20 this year. And so that was 20 years ago. And I still have that longing in my heart. And I've been able to use that experience that's deepened me and us as a family to love the Children of ours that are alive with a different level of zest and a different level of passion. I tell them more than I probably would how much I love them and how proud I am of them. And so it's made me deeper for that. And I think sharing that loss has actually made me a deeper person. So I actually think it's one of the best things that ever happened in my life now. And it took a long time to really see that and feel that. Cause you can mentally coach yourself and go, okay, no, it was good. It was good for us. You know, it was best thing but I can honestly say now that I'm so grateful for that loss because it really has made me love much harder and with more intensity and more gratitude. So it, it does bring me joy. Well, it's amazing because there's so many times when I've heard you and Jen refer to your five children. And the one you lost, but it's never negated his existence in your heart and your life. And that's always been such a beautiful thing. And I think a lot of people go through something similar and they want to hide it as if it's shameful that they couldn't carry this human into the world. And yet you've reframed it in a way that he's not lost. He's still very much part of your life. And I just find that so incredible. Are there ways that you have coached or taught strategies to the boys that has Also given them some ability to go through adversity and look beyond the thing that's hard knowing that, you know, sometimes the hardest thing is the lesson to be able to get you to the next thing that's even bigger and better. Yeah. Than you ever could have dreamed of. Yeah. I think there's a principle that we often talk often just in, in part of our natural family dynamic that is about leaning into something or leaning out. And you can see people physically do that in shock. They lean backwards, their eyelids go up, they go into an extension position. Where they're sort of, possibly not even processing, but just leaning out. And, so we talk about having to lean into something. And, you got to literally lean in and go, I'm in for this. I'm going through this. I'm not going backwards. I'm not retreating. I'm not reversing. And you can tell physically whether someone's nervous system is leaning in, or you can tell physically when someone's right in there and leaning out and leaning in. So, that's a constant metaphor. Are you into this? Or are you out? You know, are you going to lean in and just take this one on and take it by the horns? so that's been a much easier metaphor to say to people. I can see it. Now you, let's psych ourselves for this. I'm here with you. I'll even put my arm around you and lean in with you and let's go. So, that's probably been the main thing I would use even for myself, coaching and psyching myself. Come on, lean in. Do you have any of your children that are thrill seekers as in they're looking for the hard thing because they know that it's going to have a potentially massive experience? Yeah, I think all of them have got that, like when we decided to escape, I'll say escape Australia, we had to apply to leave the country, and our third was about to go into year 12, which is his final year of schooling, and we were like, we're taking you out of school. We're going on this adventure. We need you just to lean in. I know you think it's one of the most important years of your life, but it's more important that we as a family get out of here and just take on this adventure. And we're going to plan one week in advance only. And we're just going to just go and see the world and they were the rules and we all signed up for the adventure. And, so I think, being chiropractors you always have to pivot because you're dealing with this monster machine of dominance in our industry. And so you have to pivot and be better be quicker to educate, help people understand what you're doing. We're this huge advertising machine with all of its big buildings and this whole industry dominance of the medical system. I think chiropractors are created out of a mold of spizarinctum and spice that really makes us want to be different and the fact that we want to be more natural and less medicalized. Most of us that is, is a sign of sort of who we are. And so that is, I think that adventurous spirit is in all of us. And I would have to say all of my children are a bit the same. Some are thrill seekers at a higher level, probably more risk takers. But we've always said to the boys, regardless, we are those people that think outside the square. And when they were coming home from school saying, why do we have to have fresh fruit when everyone else has got this manufactured junk? Why do we have to have organic food? And why do we have to have fresh food? How come there's no treats and junk? And, we always said, we're that freak family. We are going to live well, you guys, we did the survey. Literally, our kids never had acne, they never had mental health issues. It was only this year, at Christmas time, I was sitting on the ski chair with my children and we were skiing here in Andorra in Europe. And I looked across and thought, Oh, I'm so blessed. All of my children are fit. They're all likable adults who can have great conversations and none of them are sitting at home in front of a PC for 20 hours a day, not able to engage and they're all physically fit. They're all performing at school. They're all mentally happy. They're all fully embraced mind, body and spirit, human beings who I'm proud of. And I was thinking, Oh, actually, that's actually rare. Yes. And so we've had years now of them as our experiment. feeding them great food, adjusting them. They've never had Paracetamol, never been to hospital, never had antidepressants, never had a medication. And so these kids are unique fish in the pond and, organic grass fed, whatever you want to call it. They are incredible, healthy kids. And so we have this new generation of kids that just hopefully know it in their cellular structure, what is the right way to live a wholesome physical experience, not contaminated by drugs and medication and chemical, like high fructose corn syrup or all the junk that goes into them, into the modern diet. So. I'm not sure if I answered your question, but. Absolutely. I mean, you've given your kids strategies similar to what we've done with ours in that resilience is part of the strategy, resilience and choices, and you have a choice. And sometimes the healthy choice isn't the one that is your favorite because it doesn't feel the best in the moment. Like you'd really rather have that chocolate hot fudge sundae than, the fresh fruit off the tree, but in the long run it has that impact. I personally have a desire to live to be well over 100 and not just living but thriving And I see that in you and your family too and I think that these are some of the hard choices that we have to make is Do we need it now or do we want it later for when it's really going to matter? And so that's the same thing that, that we preached our kids. So I totally resonate with you guys as parents and my oldest just turned 25 and my youngest just turned 21. So we're both in that capsule together with these young adults and trying to raise good people that are showing up and being their best and not being afraid of being different. I'm sure that your kids show up in environments where, they are odd compared to the norm. Yes, absolutely. And, for those that are listening, it's a big risk when you don't actually know what the outcomes are. 25 years ago, we were kids going. We think this is right and it feels right, but now we've got a sample set, you know, with us and all the families we grew up with when there wasn't that much tech and information and research and podcasts and all this stuff you had to really trust your inner innate. And so now we can come with confidence with all these new generation of parents going, you can raise kids like this. You do not have to follow this medical system. It is not wholesome. It is not getting results. Follow this vitalistic pathway. And so, it was risky business and even writing Jen's book, we had so much antagonism. About just trying to help parents avoid, and one of the chapters is how to avoid antibiotics. Well, you think we were asking people to cut their children's toes off. Right. And I think that the thing that we know as chiropractors is that medicine is really by design a last line of assault and not the first. I mean, getting to the underlying cause is something that we preach every single day in terms of understanding what the body needs, not just, that quick fix. Right. Yeah. Yes, yeah, exactly. So just changing gears a little bit. I'm curious about, you know, you said that at the beginning, there's people that bring light and there's people that shine darkness. Are there any specific people in your life that you can think of that Embody joy that you know when you get in the room with them, or if you're having a hard day, they're the person that you want to be in the room with or pick up the phone and talk to because they're going to lift you up out of that place that feels dark. I would say there's one person and I wouldn't put. anyone under that pressure. I think my first call is to God. I go, okay, come on, you created the universe. You can surely handle the pity circumstances of my life. You brought the sun up today. Could you do something here? I have that cheeky engagement with my creator to be able to go, Oh, okay. Okay. let's hand it over to you because clearly I have not got the memo. Things are not working out the way I thought or planned or wanted. So there's gotta be something in it that I'm going to have to search for. And then, to be truly honest, I actually look for that magic in everyone. And it's one of those things I'm always, I'm going, well, when I see the heavy eyes or the heavy heart and so on, like there's something great in there. Let's look, where is that? And when I'm feeling, when I'm giving hugs to people, I'm feeling for that life essence because it's really, as a healer and as a chiropractor, you are looking for that intelligence and how to bring it through, to let it surge instead of everything else, hold it back. So I don't think I use that energy. To build me up. I think the energy comes from source and from God. I do have a fascinating, I think, metaphor. Growing up in the outback, there is the Australian aboriginals communicate. Via song and song lines. So they don't have fences and boundaries and gates for their different territorial borders. They sing and they attach this vibration to them, what they're called the mother earth trees. And so they sing them. And so you can walk into a song line and it's sort of like, Oh, it's like this, Oh, this whole vibrational feeling of stop. And so we used to, as kids, cheeky kids, we used to run up to these mother earth trees and see who could hug them for the longest without throwing away going, Whoa. And so I grew up thinking that was normal to just to, Oh, there's a song line there. And there's one place just out down from where we used to live just out because we were on the edge of the town of Al Springs. And, one of those trees was on the conjunction of three songlines. So three borders. So for whatever reason, it was particularly intense and we used to literally run up to touch a hand and it felt like zap, like an electric fence. Actually, that's what it, that type of sensation without the zap. the whole shock to the system. So, that charge is something that I know what that feels like. So I have a lot of pot plants around. that I feel like I can draw from. And then I remember reading a book as a child to bending my head forward and seeing pictures of some of the saints bringing God through the back of their neck when they prayed and I was like, so when I adjust people, the first thing I just tip my head forward and go, okay. This is not from me, I'm working for someone, something else, let's bring that through. So that charges me up along the way, so I don't feel like I get something from anyone. I get it from a source, the universal intelligence, and then I'm looking, how do I get that spark to fly in this body? When I give hugs, I'm looking for, how do we bring that energy up into a joyful, happy sunshine space? So that would be my perspective, whatever that's worth. That's beautiful. You know, it makes me think about the gratitude practice. And one of the things that I've found every single person who I've had a conversation with about joy, they have this characteristic of gratitude. Do you have a gratitude practice? Oh, absolutely. It's more my default. For everything, you know, when I start to feel down, I'm like, okay. We did a lot of John Demartini's, work early in our marriage and career. And so, we are first likely to collapse something before we are likely to suck our thumbs. The first thing I do is, okay, what's the benefit here? What can I learn best from this? How can I possibly turn this into something good? And I think that hugely comes from knowing that you're a good person. And I'm fascinated as I get older that a lot of people honestly believe they're not good people. And they've been either programmed or they've bought that. Bad software. And it's like programming a computer with junk. And so when I start to go down that spiral, you know, you get a few whacks or you get a few things and make you think, what, why do I deserve it? Maybe I am a bad person. I have this like escape, delete thing. I go, ah, stop, escape, escape, delete. Let's see how we can learn from this. Let's see what the benefits are. What are the good things in my life? So let's just take this down a different pathway of thinking instead of down that black sinkhole of drawing you down into a negative space. And it does take a certain amount of self esteem to go, ah, we don't live there. We don't talk like that. I'm a good person. I'm going to get good results. Good things are going to happen to me. And I think that's a psych. And if people have been brought up, I see some parents who go, Oh, you're an idiot. It's. Oh, that was so stupid. And children go, okay, I'm an idiot. You're my hero. And you just told me I'm an idiot. And so now I'm an idiot. Yeah. You're so dumb. You're so naughty. I'm naughty. I'm naughty. So a lot of that programming, especially from people that you love and admire, really sticks and it takes a lot of detoxing from. And I'm very fortunate that I had very, very aspirational parents who were good Christians who would read the Bible and the instruction from heaven before they would allow television and media and negative self talk to get into the family stronghold. Even as kids, as siblings, when you start saying to your siblings, you're an idiot, we don't talk like that here. It's not part of our culture. So change it up. And I think what you've made a point about family culture is so important, how we talk to each other and how we speak to ourselves is vital. And there's so often where I've even given the homework in the clinic for someone to have, you know, part of their daily habit is. Man, you are beautiful. I love you. You're one of the most incredible people on the planet, and you're going to do good work today. You're going to show up as the best version of you today, and let's get after it because we've got stuff to do in the world. And to give that to somebody who resonates with it is easy, but to give it to somebody who's never felt like they're allowed to look themselves in the eye. Yes, it's really interesting to watch that dynamic change as they evolve and sometimes it's a quick process and other times you have to just kind of keep dripping that love and the joy and the beauty in them and it's an important process. One of the things that you have mentioned is faith. We've talked about gratitude. These are two things that I've found has been a running threads through all the joyful people that I know. Are there other characteristics that you see in the joyful people in your world or that, you know, you embody? Yeah, I think spice is another one. I'm a bit of a rebel if you want to call it that. I think it's really important to own your point of difference, own that you're not going to be somebody else. And there's so much comparison that happens out there that people want to reconstruct themselves, not just emotionally, but physically to mold them into somebody else. And I find that it's a real interesting, like introduction to yourself to go, I really like you as you are. And how about we just own our own spice and really be. Be cheeky if you're cheeky, but do it in a lovely way. You know, you don't have to be naughty. You don't have to be making a difference for anyone else's sake, other than bring your point of difference, your spice. Some people want to be just outrageous with their hair, but You can just be outrageous with the way you live your life. I keep saying to my kids all the time, I'm going to be embarrassing you for your whole life because I'm just that guy. I just want to have fun. I'm a bit cheeky. I'll be respectful. I'm very, I think playful is a great word because I'm not naughty. I'm very, very playful. I'm playful in my work. In the days when, as a chiropractor, when I graduated 30 odd years ago, I was wearing a tie and you would shake people's hands and you would never, you know, there was even, I think there was even rules that you weren't allowed to hug patients. And I was like, that's just not who I am. And, I've been playful as a parent, playful as a spouse, playful as a practitioner, and I love that. I used to beat my head going, you should be a serious business owner. You have all this stuff. You should be managing. I was the president. I was the media spokesperson. You got to be who you are because if you try and be somebody else, it really doesn't work. So I think it's important to study who you are and become that. And embrace that, embellish that in your life because it brings you more joy. I'm married to someone who is so detailed and so methodical, and I am just so not. And so now after years of working through that, we giggle about that and laugh about that instead of judge each other about that. When you know who you are, you can have more fun and be more joyful because you're not trying to be some serious, well, if you were me, you wouldn't be this sort of serious uptight linear type of personality. I'm a shoot, fire, aim person and so that would be my big gift is to say, just don't try and be somebody else. So important. And I think that God made us all different for a reason and it's important that we embrace that. So when you encounter somebody who, you know, maybe you see on the street that it doesn't look like they're having a good day or whether it's somebody that's a stranger or a friend, do you have a quick response? Yes. Like for me, I'm going to share a smile, no matter what, I would rather have somebody wonder what I'm up to, you know, why is she smiling? What are you on? Yeah, what's she on that woman? Exactly. But do you have any kind of an immediate offering or response that you give to someone. It could be at the grocery store. It could be in the clinical setting, but where you can just land where the person is. Yeah. But push that energy out that saying, I'm lending you some of my joy until you have your own. Yeah. Well, I'm not a rescuer, which I think is a really important thing for a health practitioner. You can't change somebody else. You can't lift their rocks off them, but you can encourage them and if someone wants to have a pity party, then it's not my role to rescue that. I can help you and I'm very conscious of not rescuing anyone and going, you got yourself here. God's given you whatever this challenge is. I'll be right here with you. I'm here to help you. But I'm not going to try and take that burden from you. And, I'm always like arms around someone rather than here, give me your rocks because we all have to go through what we have to go through. And it really exhausts you as a practitioner or as a parent, if you're trying to save your kids and they have to fall over to learn how to walk. You have to go through life to live. And so it was a big lesson for me because I wanted a big part of me wanted to rescue people and fix everything and save everything. So since I've not done that, I think it's much better for me and much better for them because there is nothing like standing beside someone for a long time and going, we're going to get there. We're going to get there. I can only see good in you. I believe in you. So they're my lean in things. If someone's leaning out and for arms crossed and not moving forward, I can't push them forward. So that's when I'll say, look, I'm here for you whenever you're ready, but it looks like you really want to stay where you're at. And you really want to hold on to that belief or that program and we can do this together. We got this. I'm here for you in whatever way you can, whatever way you need. You need me. And that's sort of an arm around thing, I'm in front of you giving you guidance. If you need that, I'm behind you giving you encouragement if you need that and I'm beside you if you need my arm around you to do this, but I'm not going to carry you. You're going to do this and we're going to work this. So, that's what I do in terms of encouragement and giving without giving everything, or rescuing. I think that answers the question. Absolutely. Yes. And I think that's such a good point because it goes back to again, meeting people where they are. And if they're willing to lean in, then you can lean in with them. But if they're leaning away, it's life is not a tug of war between what you want for someone and what they want for themselves. It has to be Them being willing to take what they want for themselves and you coming alongside them to say, yes, I'm here. I support you. And they still have to do the work. So that is such an incredible point. Before we move into our final fast five questions, is there anything else about your journey to joy or anything that we've discussed so far today that you would like to share that's on your heart? No, I think we've covered some great ground. Yes, I know. We're going to have future conversations about this too as we get down the line when the book comes out and I can't wait to come to Barcelona or Australia or wherever you guys are to come and visit. Absolutely. Alright, so we'll move into our final fast five questions. I ask the same questions to each guest just to kind of get a perspective on some of the things that caused people to have joy. So when people listen to this, they might go, Oh, I haven't thought about that song. I've never heard about that book. Maybe this movie is something that inspires me. So what is a song or an artist that you play that brings you joy? There's this song, I believe it's called You To Me Are Everything, and it's You To Me Are Everything, the sweetest song that I can sing, and it's like, oh baby, and it just goes through those sweet smells and touches, and it really is something that I've applied for Jen, my partner, I've applied it to the kids, I sing it really badly. But it, it really is like an, Oh baby, you know, type of reggae type song that just makes me go, yeah, you know, these people in my life are everything or this this moment is everything and just to embody all of that in a song and just sing it really badly is just a fun thing to do. I can't wait to listen to it after we get off. I must know this song. Yeah, you will know it. It's again, I probably even just said the words really badly, but it does have a real sort of swing to it. So it gets me bubbling. I'll send it to you. What about a book that you've read that brings you joy, or that you've picked up several times, that you just love? I have to say Atlas Shrugged is this book that has brought me so much joy. I resisted reading it because it was so big. I don't know if you've heard or seen it, but Guy Reikeman years ago, it was like, you gotta read this book. It's all about chiropractic. I bought it and it sat on my shelf, I think for 20 years. And I was like, Oh yeah, I'll get around to that. I'll get around to that. Oh, when I read it, I was like, Oh wow. And it has so much in it about these women having to conquer the prejudice that they had. The steel industry when no one trusted it. And it was sort of like, it is a metaphor for chiropractic when no one trusted us. We just keep pushing this out. This is a hundred years of pushing out this message of, we got this, we got this. And so it's given me huge comfort, especially when I've had to go up against governments who've been attacking us and a real thrashing. I've never doubted the greatness of what we have in this profession and what we're able to do naturally and holistically And seeing what those people went through, giving up everything for their beliefs is something that I now thrust that book on everyone to say, I know it's a long haul. The incredible work that Ayn Rand did as a woman, as a philosopher. All of her books, but particularly that one and the Fountainhead. Even the thought of talking about them, I could have a philosophy session for hours talking about what was in the book, these people, their integrity and their internal fortitude inspired me so much. So yeah, that would be my top. Right on. Well, I started reading it now I'm gonna have to go back and finish it. No, I seriously, heaven and if you can get on audio book that one and the fountainhead that her two main books. Just buckle up and get it on in whatever way you have to get it in your head. Have a listen or read and just soak it in is pool of gems on every page. And there's a lot of pages. Yes. All right. I'll do that. What about a movie that brings you joy? Maybe something that you saw once and just lit you up or something that you've seen over and over again? I don't know if I'll get a funny one, but funny one being we're talking about joy. Yes. I had this wild fascination. We watched the Vampire Diaries. I know this is sort of out of the box. I just sat there with my mouth open thinking, wow, imagine if you lived forever. You were superhuman strength. You were gorgeous and beautiful your whole life. You didn't have to sleep and you just get these hundreds of years worth of wealth, but then you can't fall in love because you want to eat your person that you fall in love with. I was like, wow, what a blessing and a curse. I was just every episode, every person, I was just like, Oh my gosh, you're blessed and cursed at the same time. And it actually brought me great joy to go. No one's got it all. Even these guys who've got this endless energy and resources and power. I was like, wow. So I'll hang it on the vampire diaries. It'll probably come back to bite me that comment, because my kids will go, Oh, you what? Well, if you think of the other movie, you can text it to me later, but cause now I'm curious, but that's awesome. What about joy hacks? What kinds of things do you do like big or small that just hack into joy? You know, the cookie monster, I don't know how many people grew up with a cookie monster these days from Sesame Street, but you know, I said, guys, and he just food goes everywhere and cookies go everywhere. It's sort of how I devour people that I love. I'm like, yeah, I'm here, you know, I just like squeeze them. And then some food, I'm like, Oh, press it into my teeth. And so you can find joy hacks, even driving on the freeway and putting the window down, having wind in your hair and just going, yeah, here I am. So. It's just a physiological gear shift. And if you're going to hug someone, why wouldn't you squeeze them that bit extra? You know, if you're going to eat something, why wouldn't you just like eat it? And it helps me get all those happy hormones racing just to sort of do something plus plus and add that spritz, you know, and it just gives me that bubble back because I'm like, you know what? Let's just eat this. Or I just get Jen and I'll just squeeze her and sort of bite her a little bit. You know, some of those things that you just, you know, on that edge of like spritz where things you can get a slap for that or you can also get a like a little giggle. So that's my main joy hack. I add spritz to things. I love it. All right. And then an Attaway. So an Attaway is just a recognition for someone that you're celebrating, who's either you're cheering for, or that has brought you cheer along the way. I have this wonderful, wonderful friend who is just one of those rocks. And, we struck up a friendship. He's a good client of mine. His name is Rob. And he had his own adversities going on and we were able to really strike up a great relationship as practitioner and then you know, some people you just don't need to say words and some people you're just really comfortable in their company. And he's in a totally different industry that's not health related. He's extremely successful business person, we bounce off each other. We have good CVs in different areas, but to have someone like that, who's just a constant rock, no demands, no risk, no expectations, just this wonderful, doesn't matter if we don't see each other for six months, it doesn't matter. But there's this beautiful harmony that goes between. He's someone that I constantly admire for that. ability to be in my life, but always around because I could always pick up the phone. I could always just knock on the door. I could always... you're a very blessed person if you have rocks in your life that are not there because you married them or because you bred them as your children or you're part of your family. And if you can get, you can, I wouldn't say collect, but if you can attract some beautiful, big rocks who are there to lean on when you need to lean on, who will roll down the hill with you when you need to move. Here's someone that I really think is a wonderful, Attaway I don't know what that word means. So, when we were on the sidelines for football, 30 years ago, one of my mentors who was actually our first guest on this podcast, he would have all the football players get together in the stands. And they would give Attaways. And so like in this case, we would say, Hey Rob, and you would respond, Hey Rob. And I would say, go Rob. And then you would say, go Rob. And they'd be like, Attaway. And you're just cheering for the person. And the thing that I've always loved about it, I've done it with the 11 years that I coached soccer. My sister does it with the teams that she's coaching at the high school. Now, my husband does it with his teams is. To be able to say, win or lose, I am cheering for you. I'm recognizing something that you have contributed in the world. And we would always finish with having an Attaway for the fans, because without the 12th man, without the sixth man, without the person who is at your shoulder when you're running that last mile, life doesn't happen as successfully. So it's the Attaways in our life that we can contribute to people that are always there that we can count on. And your description of your friendship with Rob is a perfect Attaway. Attaway, Rob. So in closing, Simon, is there anything that you're up to next that you want to tell us about? You mentioned that you're back in the US how do we find you? Yeah, we are on the welladjusted.co website. We have all of our seminar dates. We're actually doing a retreat this year. Jen and I are doing a retreat in Spain and especially for chiropractors who are in our vintage who are wanting to check in as a couple's. How do you work that out to be really playful and joyful as you get through years of practice to keep it fresh and to keep growing into what you're doing in your why. Because you can be masterful as a practitioner. You can have established practice set up and then what, because it's a long life and us chiropractors like you, we live a long time because we're healthy. And so what else, what else can we do? And so we want to really flesh that out in a joyful, playful setting to say, Hey, we should be having fun while we do this. And all this growth rather than pushing more intense weekends in a hotel room. We want to do it the way we live with balance in nature, in a beautiful setting, have plenty of time to sit and talk one on one with everybody. So, we're going to get more into those retreats because ultimately that is the balance. Right. And if you get inspired by walking through beautiful nature and different parts of the world. When I walk around Barcelona and I see what this guy Gaudi did in terms of architecture. His architecture wouldn't get off the ground in Australia today and this was a hundred years ago. This guy was doing these incredible structures all based on natural principles. I'm totally inspired. So even to get that inspiration. We are absolutely documenting and showcasing incredible techniques that are summed up in a different way from all of the kit bag. I think chiropractic has come a long way with its four leaders of SOT and AK and Gonstead. And now there's this new distilling of all of that to be focused on neurology and bringing all those techniques together for especially baby populations of pregnant women, but they can be extrapolated to all populations. So we're really excited to showcase that, give chiropractors more confidence in that vitalistic aspect. Also knowing that the population is so much more sympathetically overwhelmed and we have to get further into the nervous system, into the brainstem, which is this tiny space. to help pull it apart so that people can breathe better and really showing chiropractors how to explain and communicate that to their patients to say, we definitely can help you with your anxiety in your breathing. We can help you with your digestion, can help you with your Vagus nerve. We can help you live better, not just take away your headache or back pain, because we need to be more confident knowing that our procedures and our adjustments really work. So we're very, very excited to, you know, three modules now of techniques that are really masterful techniques that are easier to understand than having to do a whole protocol that is only based on Activator or SOT, none of them. We've just pulled it together in a different way to make it easy. Well, I'm excited to see what you guys are up to. And I'm looking so forward to being able to see you guys again soon. Now that I know that you're traveling again, and I, for one, cannot wait for the world to hear this episode because you are one of my favorite people and I really appreciate it. Thank you. So. If you want to contact Simon, I'll make sure that we have any links in the show notes and our next episode will be up next Wednesday. We'll make sure that you find us on@drjoyshow, and we'll be putting this up on all of our favorite platforms. So thank you and keep choosing joy. Thank you, Laura. Bye.