EP 218 | Stop Performing, Start Living: Even When It Disappoints People with Judi Holler

Ever feel like you’re performing your life instead of actually living it? I sit down with best-selling author and keynote speaker, Judi Holler to unpack the courage it takes to stop pleasing, start trusting yourself, and make space for a truer version of success. From her decade-by-decade journey, Judi shows how small brave experiments compound into identity shifts.

We dig into why “make it till you make it” beats “fake it till you make it,” and how to jump with a parachute: savings, skills, support, and a plan. Judi opens up about the cave season that stripped away applause and forced her to find worth without a stage, ultimately birthing her new book, Holler At Your Dreams (which is a must read). We talk about going from hustle and stress to hustle and flow, click bait, protecting your peace, and choosing delayed gratification.

Ready to step out of performance and into a braver, truer life? Hit follow, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review with the one belief you’re dropping this week. Your future self will thank you.

Chapters:

• 2:15: Judy’s Decade-By-Decade Journey
• 8:12: From Improv Class To Keynote Career
• 12:09: The Leap: Quitting Corporate With A Plan
• 16:36: Make It Till You Make It
• 20:20: Letting Old Selves Go
• 24:14: Stop Outsourcing Your Power
• 27:40: Intuition, Soul Vs Brain
• 31:05: Life As A Creative Laboratory
• 34:44: Holler At Your Dreams: Why She Wrote It
• 39:09: Spirituality As A Success Advantage
• 43:05: Hustle And Flow Can Coexist
• 47:26: Algorithm Anxiety And Reality Checks
• 51:15: Curate Your Inputs, Protect Your Peace
  
  

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Transcript

Welcome & Transformation Promise

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Like, if you're lost right now and you're kind of like stuck and you're like, oh, I have no inspiration, and oh my God, is this really like what's next? I always say, um, and when I went through my reinvention a couple years ago and like this sort of like renaissance that really led me to write my most recent book, this was the question I asked myself, I was like, what was I doing when I was eight?

Today’s Theme And Guest Intro

Judy’s Decade-By-Decade Journey

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Welcome to the Confident Podcast. I am Lisa Tarkington, your guide to mastering confidence and leadership. As a business and leadership coach, keynote speaker, and the founder behind the Nonprofit Lead, I am here to equip you with the confidence, clarity, and strategy to create game-changing results so that you can step into your power as the person that you are meant to be. If you press play today, it's because you're ready for something bigger. Each episode, I'll bring you real, raw conversations and actual insights that will empower you to redefine your leadership, reclaim your confidence, and transform into the unstoppable force you've always been known to be. This isn't just another podcast, it's your journey that we're on together. So buckle up and let's dive into this transformation. Hi, everybody, welcome to another episode of the Confident Podcast. I'm your host, Lisa Tarkington, and today we are going to be talking about stop performing and start living, even when it disappoints people. So I want you to think about some questions. Do you ever feel like you're performing your life instead of actually living it? Or does the thought of disappointing others feel heavier than disappointing yourself? Or are you exhausted even though on paper everything looks fine? If so, this episode is for you. Today on the Confident Podcast, I am joined by the amazing Judy Holler. She's a best-selling author, keynote speaker, and a creative fire starter. Judy is known for helping people stop performing their lives and start living them with courage, confidence, and truth. And her book that I'm reading right now, Holler at Your Dreams, is a powerful invitation to come home to yourself. And I'm so excited for you guys to hear our conversation today. She is just so amazing, so many tools and the tricks and tips to give to you guys, and so many mantras as well. So tune in and let's hear my conversation with Judy. Well, welcome, Judy, to the confident podcast. I am so excited to be chatting today.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

It's so good to be here, and you had me at confident. Like I love the word, I love the vibe. So uh it's great to be here. We're gonna have fun.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yes, we are. I can't believe I've been doing this for nine years now, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

I'm gonna ask you that. How many years?

SPEAKER_00 2:33

It's been crazy. Well, and it's I think it's also funny because I think about the first house I bought at the age of 26, sitting at my kitchen table and inviting people over to my house and being like, hey, will you be on my podcast? And I'm like, nah, I'm in a studio. It's super cool, right? Like full, full, full circle, I guess. I don't know if that's just start.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

I, you know, last overthinking. And I love the rawness and the realness, and I love the bootstrapping of beginnings, right? And it's just so fun. And you just don't you just want to go back and hug her and just be like, oh, thank you. I'm so proud of you. Like, just like just going for it, right? Like there's you know, the archives, like just take a deep scroll down my Instagram page. If you want to scroll back about five, seven years, you will see an evolution of dopness.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yes, and then I'm also like really happy that I don't edit my own stuff anymore. Right? Like, I'm really grateful. Awesome. She's grown up, big girls. She has grown up and not doing this in the car anymore. So, yes, okay, so have to, so I did an intro, just a little bit about your background, but I'd love for you to share a little, I'm gonna say in a nutshell, which we all know our lives are not in a nutshell, a little bit about your life and what has led you to where you are today.

From Improv Class To Keynote Career

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Okay, which part? The root tell me where you want to start. Okay, so maybe to where I guess to where I am today. So we won't go back to like um, you know, well, you know, maybe gosh, life is so nuanced, isn't it? And it's just amazing. You know, I turned 50 in in May, which is insane in the membrane. And I think you get to a place where you hit that age range and you just start doing a lot of this reflecting on like, holy cow, like asking myself, is it how did I how did I do all this? How is like the 10 decades that has made up my life? Like each decade has kind of had had a theme, right? So one to 10. Um, I really think who you are, like if you're lost right now and you're kind of like stuck and you're like, oh, I have no inspiration, and oh my God, is this really like what's next? I always say, um, and when I went through my reinvention a couple of years ago and like this sort of like renaissance that really led me to write my most recent book, this was the question I asked myself. I was like, what was I doing when I was eight? Like, who was I at eight? Because I think when you're eight to ten, that is like the soul of you before the world gets a hold of you. 100%. Yeah. Like, who is she? What is she playing? How is she dressing? Go call your auntie, your mama, your besties at that time. Like whoever is still alive and in your life that knew you at eight, go get those pictures, go get those archives and go study her. And better yet, is she anywhere in your life? So does she show up in your business? I mean, does she show up in your business? Does she show up, like I'm sitting here next to like a bedazzled eight, 19, like love that's like come on. This is so little Judy Booty at 10 years old, eight years old, and it is like one of my most prized possessions, right? She goes out to the bars with me, but she absolutely sits in my office when I'm not at the bars, right? Uh so or whatever, dinner. Like I go to the club, but you know what I mean. You get the point. So, okay, so what one to 10, you're discovery, playing. The world hasn't got a hold of you. You like trust yourself, all these fun things. So I was like becoming little Judy Booty, right? And then like 10 to 20, right? It's middle school, super unhinged. But I knew middle school and high school was all about I wanted to be on television. I went to school, I went to college for radio television. So I was a radio television major. I was doing speech meets like grade school. I was winning championships from a speech meet perspective, um, all throughout the Midwest regionals, like memorizing monologues and poetry and satire, performing winning. So there's this like baby keynote speaker in me. I didn't even know that was a thing, but I also wanted to be like an MTV VJ or Katie Kirk. And I was like downtown Julie Brown and practicing in my room and taking the boombox and like recording myself. And so yeah, it was like, you know, performing speech meets in grade school and becoming this baby keynote speaker before I even realized that was a thing. And then going to school for radio television and like, you know, like kind of balancing like how am I gonna make all of that work? And then 21, I kind of it took me, I put myself through college. So 20 to 30 was really like, so it was around 21, 22 when I graduated college, and that was 9-11 happened. And the world overnight changed, right? And and you know, we jobs weren't as prevalent, it was harder to figure out where you were gonna go. So everybody kind of just sat chilly and I was uh bartending right through college, and so I stayed bartending. So my early 20s was just like bartending, uh trying to figure it out, and nobody paid anything in radio and television. And I was like killing it as a bartender, and I was like kind of popular in St. Louis, and I we were running it, man. I was born and raised in St. Louis. We were running it, right? So I'm like, these are all my friends, my people and boy, I had it like this boyfriend at the time. And I was like, I might gotta move to like Omaha, Nebraska for like$12,000 and like suffer. Like when I can like stay this bartender and just like crash. So I made the decision to just sort of stay in that hospitality space. And around 25, I got my first big girl job and I was ready to be done with like nights and weekends. I wanted a health insurance and I wanted like a regular job, and I wanted to wear my limited suit and you know, I wanted like a regular life, right? And so I get into the hotel business. So like 25 to 30 was when I kind of went into corporate. And then my 30, 30 to 40 was building this big badass career in corporate. I was in the hotel business. I didn't start this job till I was 39, babe, like 39 years old. I didn't know that. My job in corporate at 39. So from 30 to 39, 39, 30 to 40, really, um, I built a big career in hotel business. The flashpoint was right around my early 30s, 31, 30, 31, where when I moved to Chicago for my first promotion, I got a big promotion, moved to Chicago, took my first improv class at Second City. I had no friends. I knew like one person in the city. I had always I loved Saturday Night Live. I knew that Second City was iconic and comedy and performance. I said, I have no friends. It was an experiment, a way to like do something for fun, maybe meet a cute boy, whatever, get out of my apartment. So by day, corporate boss, making my sick, my little six-figure career, right? By night, dark, dingy, improv basements, like effing around, loving, getting brave, yeah, failing, failing, failing, embarrassing myself. But brave, brave, brave. So then all of a sudden, 35, 36 will around and I'm like, yo, well, I'm getting pretty brave here. So maybe I will go for the race. Maybe I will ask for the promotion. You know what? I will leave this shitty date. You know what? Maybe I'll go on an actual date and get myself on mesh.com to figure something out, right? I don't know. But I just started experimenting with my courage, which really helped me boss up in the boardroom. And all of a sudden, flashpoint, I was like the nerd at improv that would bring the notebooks. I was like taking notes in the imp because I'm like old, like 30 at improv, it's like old, right? All these kids were like in their 20s, right? Trying to be on SNL. And some of them went that past. Some of them were on Chris Redd was on SNL, Andrew Noxy's out in LA. Oh, that's doing commercial. Some of these kids got really famous, right? But but I was like the little grandma, like don't do my like at the time, that's how I felt, right? So but I had my little notebook, I'd take all these notes, and also in like 35, 36, I was like, hold up. I could like do this. Like, what if I like made this my what if I did the because I was in meet the meetings business. So I'd go to all these conferences and convention and to see Simon Sinek and all these speakers. And I'm like, it was like when I saw Simon Sinek speak, I wrote about this in my first book, Fears My Homeboy. I was like, I that's when I was like, that's a job. Hold on, this little baby speech meet girl could like do that for a living and then improv on top of that. I'm like, what if I did that about improv? So I just begged my boss, and the story's almost over, I promise. It's nuance. But I begged my boss to lead every sales meeting I could. She let me. I started speaking for free in my industry, anywhere I could to anyone who listened to me. I'd get done speaking and there would be a line. Here's my card, here's my card. Can you come to our organization? Katie could, and all of a sudden, those free things from like 35 to 40, it was like testing things, trying things, collecting cards, turning those free gigs into using all my vacation days, to the point where my boss was like, at like 39 years old, 40, she was like, They're like, You're gonna have to pick. Like, people are starting to be like, what's going on? You know? And I'll never forget. I, I, I, my boss flew to Chicago, sat down, sat me down at the Lowe's off of Michigan Avenue. We were having eggs and bacon and coffee, and he says, You're gonna have to pick. And I said, you know, he was kind of sent there to tell me, like, either you're gonna pick, and or it's kind of like, we're gonna have to pick for you. Like basically, shit or get off the pot, girl, go. And I said, Okay, well, I don't pick you. And I called my boyfriend at the time, who's now my husband. I was like, Yeah, I think I just quit my job. So they gave me until July 1st, 20 uh 16, and that was like July 1st, kind of cool. Independence day was my like my first weekend as an independent. I was like, well, I guess I'm like making my own money. Yeah. And I've it's been 10 years that I've been doing this. So my 40s to 50 has been entrepreneurship and courage and making the world a braver place, using the experimental ideas from the improv theater just to help people think differently about themselves. So again, and I can't wait. I have I can't wait to reveal where I'm going in my 50s, baby. It's just getting better. So it's like fuck yes. Oh, I don't know if we can cuss in here. Sorry, naughty. But it's like it just keeps getting better. But that's the evolution. And thanks for asking and letting me share.

The Leap: Quitting Corporate With A Plan

SPEAKER_00 11:46

No, I love that. Well, also, I don't get to hear all of those things, right? Like when you are following someone and looking at their story, unfortunately, we're scrolling, right? You're like, I want to know more of how they got to where they are and also the journey, right? And I love, I'm gonna take us back to when you said you're eight to 10-year-old. And I have this visual of myself. We my parents were building a house at the time, and we had a porch. And I would go out there and I kid you not, I was never in theater, I was never in anything. I would get an umbrella, I would put the boom box with in sync on it, and I would dance.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Yes, she did.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

And I think about that moment all the time because I didn't care what my parents thought, I didn't care what my brother and sister thought. Um, neighbors. Yeah. And I had a karaoke machine upstairs in my room, and I think about that little girl a lot of like, she did not care. Right. And when you said like the world grabs you, I do think that, right? And like it's always um, and we're gonna dive into this in a little bit because I have questions about like coming home to yourself, right? And what that looks like and stuff. So um, yeah, I had to share that because that like really like hit me. I was like, oh my gosh, I remember that moment. And I love when people can like come back to those moments. And so, really, our theme for today is like stop performing, right? Start living, like even when it disappoints people. And so when you hear that theme, what's the first thing that comes to mind for you?

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Not faking it till you make it, making it till you make it. I think there's a lot of that clickbait motivational advice we buy into. The other one is just jump and the net'll catch you, babe. Yes, we've gotta jump, but why do people jump out of planes? They have a parachute on their back. So no, get a parachute on your back. Maybe it's a little bit of a savings account, right? Maybe it's some some help, some support, some insurance. Maybe it's, you know, uh writing a business plan, whatever your parachute. Like, I never I love to jump. You gotta go scared. I am all about going scared, but I'm not gonna be reckless and and dangerous about it. There's gonna be support. I'm gonna have a bit of a safety cat because I'm way too big of a Freddy cat, ironically. I'm the scaredest person you'll ever meet. So because of that, I feel qualified to talk about fear. But yeah, so don't fake it till you make it. Yeah, make it till you make it. And I think the energy behind fake it till you make it, the intention is really good. It's basically like, go, babe, just go. Go before you're ready. Like go scared. That's what we mean by that. But what if we all if we already know if we if we have done the work on ourselves where we can get to a place where we already know that everything we desire and everything we can see in our lives is true because it already is, because if you can see it, is it exists. And if we can trust that enough to be able to let go, trust that enough to be able to self-trust self-trust, then we can stop trying to fake it and trying on other identities and go play with our own identity more often. And I think I wish I would have done that younger. I think I spent a lot of time looking around at what everybody else was doing. And that to me is what the energy of fake it till you make it is. It's like, well, she's doing this, let me try to do this. You start doing this so much that you you numb out a little bit and you crash out a little bit and you start to go, well, then wait, what is what is mine? What is for me? Right. And so, yes, we have to try things on, but but I think making it till you make it is this essence of we have to be self-leaders and no one else is coming to do it for us. So we might as well start playing with the muscle, the courage that it's gonna take to really make it until we make it and and it may and maybe, maybe, maybe actually like stop faking it. Because if you fake it too much, you start, you start fake, you start losing yourself. You start going, well, who who wait, is this mine? Yeah, wait, is it do I really like purple? Or wait, is green my color? Or have I just worn purple my whole life because my mom loved purple? Hold on, is that even mine? Wait, do I really like this? Like, am I wearing this? You know what I mean? Yeah, so yeah, that's my experience with it. So when you say that to me, that's that's what initially popped up when we think of performative culture inside and outside of corporate. It's like, yeah, stop faking it, babe. Let's make it, let's make it. Well, and I go find, go find yourself.

Make It Till You Make It

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah, and you make great points. And I think what came up for me when you were saying all of that is, you know, when you graduate from high school, you're like, go to college. Well, at least it was when I was growing up. It's a different now, but it's like go to college, get the job, get the white picket fence, you know, all of those types of things. And that worked for many of my friends. And actually, I was going that path, right? I did the corporate world and I actually loved the corporate world for a while. But it's it's finding coming home to yourself even when you disappoint people, and that's tough, right? It's like, how do I be true to who I am, knowing that who I was might not fit anymore? And so when you look back at all these identities, right? Like in you shared a lot of your 20s, your 30s, right? Is there any part of it that you do miss but know that you couldn't sustain any longer?

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Oh my gosh. I mean, there's a piece in the book about she can't come with. And it's one of my favorite pieces in the book. Um, there's 365 ideas in this book, so I cannot tell you what page it's on. Uh, but it's probably in the section called presence, but because that was one of the hardest things I needed to face for me to step into who I was becoming and who I knew I I was born to be, was this notion of letting her go because I was like, oh my God, will she know everything we did? And if I have to, because what got you here won't get you there. In other words, she's she's an important, like who you once were is a really important part of your life. All those failures, missteps, brave moments, the eight to 10-year-old, the 20, the 30, all that. But she can't come come with into who you're becoming. And I was so afraid to let her go because I was like, well, will she still be? Will she know we did it? Will what will I am I okay without her? Will we, you know, all this hard work? How am I supposed to like just surrender her? And oh my gosh, and who am I without her? And so it was, she was kind of like these old versions of me were sort of like this safety net and this sort of like warm blanket that like made me feel really safe, but it also kept me stuck safe and just the same. So I sort of had to lay her to rest in a good way so that I could honor her and become even more. And so yeah, I think I think you can honor everything you've done bravely to get you to where you are today. But at some point you have to say, okay, thank you. Next, here's where I'm going. And now I'm stepping into uh who I'm becoming. And that's not easy to do, and it's gonna look look different for everyone else. And and that requires, you know, just time, age, experience, all that will help you do it. But yeah, I was like scared to let her go a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Oh my gosh, yes. Well, those are chapters of your life. Yeah, exactly. And also to your point, it's like she got you so far that you're like, I don't want to abandon her. Is this rude? Like, how rude is this? Exactly.

Letting Old Selves Go

SPEAKER_01 18:34

So rude. Like, sorry, little Judy Booty. But it's funny. Now it's like, you know, the everybody called me like grew up going up. I know Judy Booty was always the nickname. Judy Booty, Fresh and Fruity. And it's so funny, like I hid that side of my, and now it's funny though. As I get older, Judy Booty's coming out even more. She's like the main person. So she's still very active and present in my life. I just no longer hold myself hostage to old ways of doing things or old mistakes and pain points and missteps, missteps that I made, right? Embarrassments, things that I got wrong, or people that I let down. I'm like, no, my way of living, babe, does not have to be yours. It does not have to be yours. And I've stopped, or the biggest thing I've done over the last five years specifically, uh, which helps me come back home to myself, is I stopped outsourcing my power. I stopped asking everyone else's opinions about my life. People who, oh, by the way, love me a lot that have been in my life since like the OGs, but have never built what I'm building, what I've built already in my head. They've never, you they, they, they can't even see what I see because they are not me and they are not building the dream that I'm building. So why am I asking you for your opinion about? So I've just sort of like, I've leaned really into like source and intuition. Now I'm like, that's primary brain. If I am hype about it, if I am like, oh, I need that, oh, I want to wear that. Oh my God, I gotta write that. Oh my god, this is such a funny thing. I lean into that and heart. I write it down and maybe it becomes a thing, maybe it doesn't, but that is soul. That's eight to 10 year old you. The problem is brain gets in the way because brain is designed to keep you safe. And that's beautiful and powerful and important. We need our brain. We don't want to get hurt, we want to survive. Yes, we need brain, but brain is always pulling you into the past because brain is going, you know what, baby? You tried that once. Judy, you tried to start this new business idea once. Remember when you tried to do that show and it didn't work? So let's never do that again. Or that one time you wore that and everybody kind of gave you weird looks in the lobby. Can we just like put Barbie back in the box? So brain is always like pulling you back, back, back, back. Soul knows where you want to go, soul will move you vertically and into the future. Brain is kind of like lateral moves or like same. Soul is like that tingle, that feeling, that like people say download, right? Like the problem is we don't listen to it or we brush it off. So now I am in the business of listening to intuition, and I I have sort of like unofficially, officially made that like my primary brain, you know, as long as of course I'm not gonna walk out into traffic, right? Like, ooh, let me run across the street. That's not what I mean. But like, yeah, yeah, I like intuition, and so it's less outsourcing of power, more trusting of like inner feeling.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Yeah, well, and when you start to feel those things, I think one of the biggest things is like this doesn't make sense sometimes, right? Where it makes no sense to the public eye because it's not a normal way of doing business or a way of thinking, and then but you're also like it's not going away, you know. When do you feel like your intuition comes up the most? Is it working out? Is it when you're sleeping? Like when, like, what's yours?

Stop Outsourcing Your Power

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, sometimes it'll be a random two o'clock, a car, a lot. A car for me in the car. Really? There's something about driving. Okay. Maybe it's because I listen to a lot of like high vibrational music. I have this whole like playlist on Spotify. We'll have to link it. It's called the Holy Flow playlist. So I listen to a lot of like Abel Hart and Queen Herbie and Tony Jones and like uh just so many, so, so many artists. Like, I try to. Like, you know, if words are wands and music is a frequency, you know, kind of what's happening in your body when you're listening. Like, I love the old school 90s hip hop, trust me. But if you really start to think about some of the words, I'm like, ooh, do I want to call that in? Like, so yeah, the older I get, I'm like started suddenly. I'm like, do I really want to like, you know, am I calling that in? So, so so in my car a lot, uh, walking, I take uh nature, so I do at least once a week. I try to just walk, no headphones, no tech, no nothing. Wow. Just me, soul source, a lot of times walking. So I have my phone with me on DD because I'll record voice notes. So I use the crap out of my voice notes because things will just drop in in the car on walks. Those are two major places vacations, always showers. You know, think about these things I've just told you. It's when we're not plugged into the matrix. Yeah. And it's when we're plugged into just the state of being. You know, sometimes like have a sip in a Cadillac by the pool, you know, Cadillac Margarita. I'm by the pool. I'm like, ooh, what if I did that? You know what I mean? So we write it down. I have notebooks everywhere, I can my notes. So, but I'm also awake. Like, meaning I have my head on a swivel. So I'm always looking for things. I'm always kind of playing with the universe. I'm always kind of playing with this playground and laboratory that is life. And I've always had that perspective on life. I really think I'm in like one big juicy laboratory. And I did this in corporate where I was like, what if we started looking at our sales meetings, these very serious sales meetings we go into? I'm like, what if this was like a laboratory and we could like throw ideas up on the because of improv. It was like a lab. And I'm like, what if we could just like throw ideas up at the board and just start like solving problems in more like experimental ways than feeling so serious about targets and goals and ROI and RevPAR and everybody's scared and fear and oh, I'm like, what if this just we what if we could like not make it a meeting, but make it a laboratory? And could we relax a little bit more and catch a little flow and maybe just maybe solve the problem we didn't even know existed in a in a way that is better than we could have with like all of these these rules and these these pressure-related sort of processes and procedures, you know, we we sort of dish out. And so yeah, I so I think I live sort of in this laboratory and I have my my head on a swivel for the good and for the the the miracles that like sort of exist everywhere. And because of that, and because I pay attention to that, certainly in my 40s, I really started paying attention to it. I've been handsomely rewarded creatively, and it's because I I kind of make it my job. You know, I look, yeah, I look.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I love that. I love that. So let's talk about something you did create. This beautiful baby.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Oh, love that you have it. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

I I remember checking in.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Holler at your dreams.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Which I love that you use your last name in this, right? How cool is that? How to be creative there. And so I was starting to, uh, as I was going through it, obviously you've written two books, Fear is Fear is My Homeboy. When did that one come out? 2019. 2019. May of 2019. Okay, awesome. And then Holler at your dreams. So I'm currently reading this one, and I was like taking notes of like it's funny because I was trying to take notes, and then it was that moment where you're like, okay, but I want to across the podcast, but also I just want to read it for myself, right? Like it's like this. So as I so one of the things that you wrote, and we've kind of already talked about this, but you said it in the opening, you said writing this book brought you back um home to yourself. And I have to ask, because I I think like I was actually sharing on this podcast recently, 2026 is the year that I come home to myself. And I thought that was really great, that that was awesome. The books I'm like, well, that was meant to read. But where does it be like there's no accident? Yeah, right. That is on purpose. Yes. And so when you said that, I'd love to know, where did you go? One way I find that my confidence continues to be at a high level is because I always am putting my health as a priority. And one product I include in this is ensuring AG1 is part of my daily routine. And I also love simple things. So every morning I mix one scoop of AG1 into water, shake it up, and I've already checked off a microhabit for the day. AG1 simplifies nutrition in a way that actually works for my lifestyle. So instead of a pile of supplements, I take AG1 and I get multivitamins, pre and probiotics, and superfoods all in one scoop. And their next gen formula is even better. They've added more vitamins and minerals, all clinically proven to help fill common nutrition gaps. AG1 now comes in original citrus, berry, and tropical. And if anybody wants to know, I still think the original is my favorite, but honestly, they're all so great. So experiment and see what you love. AG1 has over 50,000 verified five-star reviews and comes with a 90-day money-back guarantee. For a limited time only, go to drinkag1.com/slash the confident to get a free AG1 flavor sampler and an AGZ sampler to try all the flavors. Plus a free vitamin D3 plus K2 and an AG1 welcome kit with your first AG1 subscription order. This is a limited time offer only available while supplies last. Again, that's drinkag1.com slash theconfident. Drink AG1 slash the confident. Go enjoy it, and I can't wait to hear how it's helping you improve your lifestyle.

Intuition, Soul Vs Brain

Life As A Creative Laboratory

SPEAKER_01 27:36

To be able to come home to yourself, it's such a beautiful thing to be able to do. And I think we'll continue every decade. I think every day we come home to ourselves in new ways, right? Because we learn new things. If we're doing life right, we're open and we're experimenting and we're trying new things and we're meeting new people and we're failing. Um but it means you have to lose her. And most of us don't have the guts to lose her and to go through the dark night of the soul to kind of go through it. People are like, what inspired you to write the book? I go, low key, the real answer to that question is I was so uninspired and so like I don't know. I was just so sick of the like performative personal development space and felt like everybody was like talking at me. And if I didn't wake up at 5 a.m. with the green juice and a matcha and like 25 supplements and like a face mask and thing, I'm like, I'm just a failure, right? I'm like, what every I'm so confused and the world's shifting and everything's happening and this doomsday culture, and oh my god, all this crap, right? And so I was just so like like uninspired and kind of scared, and just like I lost my voice because I had been outsourcing my power to what I call in the book a lot of money grabbers. You get to a point of career and success where these people start sniffing around you, and everybody outside of you, these people outside of you who, oh, by the way, you can pay them to do this. Uh, so you start writing all these checks to people who can fix you. Uh, here's how you scale, here's how you get to the next level, buy my course, take my this, get my coaching, bring this on, do this manager, do this thing. And all of a sudden you start listening to all these people. Here's what I know, this is what's gonna stick, this is how we do your keynotes, and also you start going, you forget the person that got you to where you are today. And it doesn't mean we don't bring people into our lives, but never at the cost of like selling our soul, because I got to this place where I started listening to all these people around me telling me all of these things that were great for me, that I was like, well, hold on, what do I think? Like, who am I? And so I had to like lose her for a minute. I had to kind of go dark for a little bit. I call it the cave. I went into this like creative and like sort of professional cave for a couple of years, which is really hard uh monetarily, right? Uh business slowed because of that, uh, which confidence reduced because speak of confidence. I mean, I lost my mojo because my my my worth was so tied to being on stage and making money and performing and doing what I love to do that when that went away for a minute, because it needed to, because I needed to go away for a minute, I was like, Well, who the hell am I? And where's my worth and where's the applause? I had to figure out how to like give myself the applause. Yeah what I mean? And and I was, I had not like that took me like I was like 45 going 46. I'm like, where wait, wait, is am I addicted to the applause? Like these real serious conversations, right? So to find yourself, you have to lose her, you have to be brave enough to lose her. And then the finding herself is just a courageous commitment to um self, like a journey of self-discovery and spirituality. And I think today, success, true success, however you define it, because it's gonna look different for everybody, and I'm not talking money. Um it's going to require spirituality. And I define spirituality not as religion, but as a deep self-awareness and a deep, deep commitment to the journey and the ongoing, relentless pursuit of self-discovery. Like learning oneself, like sitting, doing all these uncomfortable things just to see. Like I have a spiritual army, babe. Like I sit with healers, I have an astrologist on my staff, I do quarterly trans. I have a human design, I know my any group, like I have gone on all these like play dates with myself. And I'm like, ooh, data, data, data, fun. Ooh, like I'm catching things. Take it for what it is. Like everybody can, but they're just tools. Some have felt more comfortable than others. But I have made this come like I the reading, what you have in front of you. Like she is designed, she's 365 ideas. She's an oracle that you could open her up at any moment. Just flip to a page. We could do it right now. Ha ha. Here's your message for the day. Everyone listening. I just opened it up to what's meant for you will not miss you. What's meant for you will not. That's our message today. So if you are listening right now, just take a moment to recognize what's meant for you will not miss you. So but this book wouldn't have happened had I not gotten to a place where I allowed myself to be more spiritual and then bring that spirituality into my business. Because I think today, in today's world, with as hard as it is and as fast as it is, and as performative as it is, and as automated as it is, spirituality is going to be required to be successful. And that means, do you know you? And the only person that can go find you is you, babe. So that means you're gonna have to take the walks and get into nature and do all the things and travel alone and eat alone and make new friends and get yourself in weird rooms and go sit with the healers and try some human design and play with the crystals and like light the candle and burn the sage. I don't know. It's not gonna fix you, but it will you need to go figure how you will know unless you go play. And so for me, it was just like three years of experimenting and just what feels good and okay, what did I learn?

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

And this book sort of became the creation on the other side of the well, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Well, and as you were talking, the one thing, and I was sharing this on a podcast recently, the one thing that my so I have a coach myself. One of the things that my coach has been really challenging me on is we're like obviously this is the year that I'm coming home to myself. So we've been talking like about my identity and like what like and I said, Well, I live, I live two lives still, like, and I'm trying to bring them back together. And one of the things is is like my play. Like I used to teach play, ironically, in 2019 and 2020. 2020, yeah, 2020, I taught uh play. And so then I lost her for a while. And it's been funny how like you even brought up play, and like now I'm finding them in all the different places of my life is like the play piece needs to come back, and like these different pieces, because you're right, like I am grateful for the courses that I've taken. Like, honestly, a lot of them have given me what I've needed, but I've also let a lot of the outside voices come into play because I was just trying to figure it out, right? So you're absorbing, you're figuring it out, and I think once you do that, then you also are able to say, like, okay, that feels good now, right? Like now this makes sense, and then how am I going to like move forward? Um, I'll I there was two that I pulled up. No mistakes, only gifts. There was one that stuck out that oh yeah, this one. The star is my the stars, my lab, faith, my map. Faith, my map. Yeah, that's one that like.

Holler At Your Dreams: Why She Wrote It

SPEAKER_01 34:01

So Cosmo Judy. That is so spiritual. Woo-woo, Judy, but truly like think of what has existed throughout time. Yes, the seasons, the sun, the moon. Like back in the archaic Indian times, like back in the caveman, they had nothing other than what has existed throughout time. The sun's always gonna rise in this, you know, what is it? The sun rises, sets, rises in the west, sets in the east. I think I might have that right. Hopefully I do. Or maybe it's opposite. Anyway, whatever. Somebody can Google it. But yeah, I think it rises in the east and sets in the west, or rises anyway, whatever. I digress. That has been since time. The seasons will always be this, you know. So I'm no expert in this, but yeah, so that was like just me sort of leaning into, you know, and I live in Arizona and I live in a dark sky community and the stars out here, you know. I'm like, when was the last time over the past couple of years? I'm like, when was the last time I did something for the first time? A and when was last time I literally looked at the stars? And if you haven't and you're listening right now, gone somewhere and just stared at the stars, it's pretty incredible. And we had an astronomer come to our house. My husband knows someone whose dad works for NASA. He is like White House clear. So we came over here with a big telescope and just like again, journey of self-discovery. It's taught us a little bit about like what this means. And you start to think about, then you think of yourself in the the process of the world, and you're like, I'm like this little speck in like a worrying about like taxes and fear and like this like universe is so massive. And so, yeah, the book is, you know, certainly has a spirit, a spiritual twist to it, but um a lot of personal development and um courage-inducing storytelling in there as well for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Well, and one of the things that came up as you were even talking about like taking in all the stuff, and it's very easy on social to look at like scale, like when people are like, oh, I've scaled to this month's every month. And I literally said to someone the other day, I was like, I don't know how they got there. I mean, I'll figure it out one day. But one of the things that happened last night for me was I um I've actually like been um playing with threads, like kind of like playing with that a little bit. Interesting. Cool. One of the things experimenting, yeah, exactly. One of the things that's coming up though for me, and it's been just like thrown at me is um, I've done this and now I'm making six figures every month. And I'm like sitting here being like, I literally wrote on threads, I said, is it just me or do I live in a different world where that's just not normal for people that I'm surrounded by? Right. And I think then when I'm seeing it in my face constantly, my brain actually had to shut that off. I actually noticed that for a week straight, that's all I was seeing. And I'm like, okay, there's something about why I'm seeing that, and maybe it's because I'm like, that's not my reality, and that is okay. Also, that's not the reality of people that I'm around, right? And so I think for me, it also had to bring me back home of like, okay, back to like I'm the steward of, I always say like I'm a steward of God's work, right? Like I'm like, you know, my business is like I'm in charge of what he's given me and what I'm called to do. And that I will figure out as I go. But when you are staring at those things, it is so hard to be like, oh, am I and someone said the other day, like, well, if you're not making that, how are you surviving? I'm like, well, I'm surviving. So like so it's just like it is crazy how like those are out there, and then that can really hurt someone's confidence when they're like, hey, I'm I'm I'm I'm doing the work and I'm not there, and then you're just like trying to build that instant gratification versus like I was talking about this the other day on a podcast of delayed gratification, right? And how that shows up. But I want to share something off of that that came out of your um out of your book. So page 29, you said we don't hustle in stress, we hustle and flow.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Okay. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

So I have never heard, and when I read that, I think I read that seven times. I'm exaggerating maybe a little bit, but I love I love to hustle. But I also love to hustle.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Well, yeah, that's the same.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

I love to flow. Okay, but there has been so much that says, like, hey, those two can't go together. And I love that you wrote that. And so I want to know like what makes you like see that hustle and flow can come together because that made me so happy.

Spirituality As A Success Advantage

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Well, I think the hustle brings me flow, right? Yes, you talked about like my sales Tuesdays. I don't know. I think when you love what you do genu genuinely, the hustle feels like flow. Yeah, does that make sense? Well, it does to me. But I'm also yeah, in human design, I'm a projector. So I am not here. I don't know if you have done any human design work. Okay, so I'm a projector, but I I thought I was a manifesting generator. And what it means is it's a projector, we don't need to get into weeds here, but it just means I don't generate my own energy in my whole life. Like I literally, when I had my first human design coach, I said, run it again, because you have to give your time a birth. I go, run it again. I'm a manifesting generator. I know I am. I want to be one of it. That's what I am, that's what I am. And she's like, babe, I have no that's you were really born at 144 a.m. I'm like, yeah. She's like, you're a protector. I'm like, well, no wonder things broke because I was hustling to the point of like, I here's what I got. The problem with it is I my nervous system was so dysregulated that when I wasn't working, I did not feel safe. Wow. I felt like I was gonna lose my business, lose my opportunities, lose everything. So I'm trying to be like everybody else and grind, grind, grind, grind, grind. So then I became resentful and miserable and hated my business and stressed out. And my husband's like, what's going on? I'm like, and then I stopped trusting and there was no flow. So I had to literally retrain my. So again, this is where the spirituality piece and the self-awareness is so important because I'm like learning that about myself, that one thing about myself has changed everything for me. Because now I prioritize a big part of my hustle, knowing my human design, because there is no one way to do anything in this life. There is no one prescription for anything because you are your own unique DNA and you are created, yes, by the greatest artist of all time, God, which makes you the greatest piece of art of all time. So if you are a painting and a piece of art, there are no two paintings, there are no two Picasso alike, period, ever. And if that is the case, what makes up the layers of your canvas? And what sort of acrylics should go on there? And how should that look right? And that's gonna look so I got to this place where I was like, well, now that I know my canvas and that I no longer feel jealous or behind or that scared to take a day off because it's like good for you, babe. Yeah, not for me. That ain't my path. I am so protected, I know where I'm going.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

And I can't wait to see it.

Hustle And Flow Can Coexist

SPEAKER_01 40:32

And I know that when I get into receiving, because that is my pearl in jean keys. When I get into receiving, I will be as abundant as I can be. So now I'm like, I'm taking the walk, babe. I'm I'm gonna do Friday's noon and I'm gonna be floating in my pool, sipping a margarita. I'm taking these moments of myself because I know that's where all the magic will come for me. So my hustle turns into flow because I have gotten to a place where where I think when you love what you do, hustle is flow and flow is hustle. They kind of become one in the same. Um, but that would not exist for me. I would not be able to sit, sit here and talk to you about that had I not lost myself and had to go on, sort of been forced into this journey of like, why aren't things working? Why am I so bitter? Why am I so jealous? Why am I so resentful? And can we just take a minute for the people making the 100k months? Some people are, it's great. Most people that are really aren't talking. I mean, they're just doing their lives and they're not selling you their course on how to make. There are throughout time, there have always been scam artists. There have always been clickbait, fear bait, clickbait, infomercial BS. And it's still the case today. And now it's just everywhere on social media, and everybody's an expert. And same, my my feed gets flooded with it too. Everybody's buy my course and I'll show you how to make a million dollars a month. And if you're not making a so I have 99% of the time, if something smells like a fish, it's a fish. So I just say trust self. And if you're getting like alert, there are a lot of scam artists out there in in the culture of online content creation and coaching and stuff like this. And it's unfortunate because there's some really beautiful people out there doing great work. Um, and I also I'll say one other thing to you. This happens in the speaking world. I will watch professional speakers post their hashtag blessed um all my gigs in October. And, you know, you know, how and you'll sit there, and especially in my slower days where I was like, oh my God, what's wrong with me? And look at he's got like 20 gigs in a month. And then you start to unpack it. And you know, you know what's in and I know this to be true in some scenarios, where 40, 40 of the 50, or not that's obnoxious. So say somebody had 12 in a month, eight of them are free gigs, the promotional gigs, their marketing thing. So you just or people are reducing, you don't really know. Yeah, you don't know the full score 100%. You don't know, yeah. So we have to like unplug the scroll, is what we're sometimes we get so into the algorithm that we we lose our own. And so I really just I see it and I smile and I just block and bless, or I hide. I don't have a lot of professional speakers in my algorithm. And I always tell my friends, I love you guys so much. If you need anything, you need me to promote a book, share anything, just holler at your girl, like DM me because I'm literally not watching anybody because I just have to I watch artists, I watch jazz, I watch breakdancers, I watch graffiti people, I watch, I I curate my I do my best uh to curate my Instagram and my social media because I am an artist to to almost liken itself to like a little museum. So when I open it, am I inspired or am I drained? And so a second something drains, or it's politics, or it's your silence is telling me everything. Hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide, hide. I can't. I can't. I have to protect my soul. And that's just for me. And I have to turn down the noise so I can turn up my soul. And so I I challenge everyone listening to do the same if you get caught up in that, because um, most of it's fake.

unknown 43:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Most of pe there are people that literally are lying.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Well and And to your point, you know, we were we were just at church on Sunday and we're Catholic. So we were planning, like, we're working on like what were we gonna give up for lent? And I said to my husband that night, I said, What are we, what are we gonna do? And he looked at me and goes, Are you gonna stop scrolling as much? And I was like, actually, yes, that is actually what I think I need because I've noticed that that's what was consuming me because I wasn't hiding things and I was doing that. And it was also, I wasn't protecting my peace, right? Like I always say, like, you know, when you protect your peace, you protect your birth time, and you know, then that's your best friend and type that type of thing. So love that. That just made me think of that. The other thing that you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Can I give you one thing there, one line? Yeah, if the devil can't stop you, he'll distract you. Yes, I love that. Yes. So I don't know. Yeah, and just know every time, so I think about that every time I'm like, okay, good point. Because this is a lateral move, it's not a vertical move in most scenarios. So I'm trying to go up. We're trying to go up, right? So I'm always thinking about that, and your fortune lives in your focus, like what you focus on, you get more of. So I it doesn't mean we can't engage. There's so many beautiful things that can happen here, but but that's a way, whether distraction, social media, distraction, the scroll, distraction, uh, addiction, distraction, shopping distraction. There's a million distractions that can come at us. So just I've never forgotten that. Someone shared that. I don't know where I heard it. I think I wrote about it in my book, but it's I've never forgotten it. And it's it's it's it gives me the courage and the confidence to say, ooh, not today. Yes, yes, exactly. Or not this minute. Get to work, hauler, go create something, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:37

And that's what we also said like, I want to create more versus like consume more, right? Like, that's what we talked about too. The other thing that you shared about like the human design of like, nope, just redo it, just redo it. I have to share this story. So when we were uh pregnant with our our son, um, I really wanted a girl. And someone told me, like, hey, have you checked the Chinese like thing where you can put in like the information it will tell you? And it's usually 99% accurate. And I was, I was like, sure, because I so sure I was having a girl. And Josh, who works at our studio, can probably relate because I texted him to make uh to also do it for their family. And I kept getting boy, and I was like, nope, redo it. And what? It was 10 different ones I did, and I got one girl and nine boys, and the next day they called me to let me know that I was having a boy. Having a boy. Yes, I remember being like, but it's funny because I was like, oh, okay, and best thing ever, right? Like best thing ever. And it's just, I love my son so much. And it's funny how, like, obviously, God knew what I needed before I did, but also how funny it I tried to control.

unknown 46:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Like, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

And sometimes we get it wrong. Yes. Sometimes we know something, like I feel you on a soul level. Like, that is interesting because your body is a mom, you're carrying this baby. You're like, I know it's a girl. We can talk ourselves. Like, I have done this, like I know this is the build as business I'm building. I know this is, and then all of a sudden the universe sits you down. And you know, I've had this with multiple business opportunities where I'm like, I'm creating this or doing this, this planner, this I've had so many business error quotes failures, but I just knew that was the thing. And then it's almost like God's source, what I sits you down and goes, actually, no, trust me, trust yourself, but trust that you're no matter what how this unfolds, but now you can't imagine your life in other words.

Algorithm Anxiety And Reality Checks

SPEAKER_00 47:22

No, it's so funny how that all works out. And also when you let go, right? Like I I had this information and I wanted to control the information instead of and then instead of taking it in and being like, okay, this is if this becomes true when they call me to let me know, how am I going to enjoy this moment and be grateful for it? You know, uh healthy baby, healthy baby, exactly, exactly. Okay, so kind of like to end out, I always love to ask like fire, like I feel like we could talk all day. So I think improv. I always love when people do this. This is so so um, can someone be wildly successful and still completely disconnected from themselves?

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Yes, I think there's a lot of those people walking around the world that I don't think they're happy.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

I think they're the people that are on, I think they're up, I think they're bitter, I think they're jealous, I think they're resentful. I think they're all the people online hating on other people. Yeah, I think they're all the people that are buying into doomsday culture.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Yeah, so you can be successful what people think looks like successful, but happiness is miserable.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Your soul is miserable, and you will know someone tension is a deviation away from who you came here to be. Any tension in your body is a that's how you know if you are jealous, if you are resentful, if you are bitter, if you are gossiping, if you are. I can't even, my brain cannot even process going online and leaving a mean comment.

unknown 48:45

I know.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

I I can't even like sharing something, my brain doesn't even go there because I am in the way of too much magic over here. It doesn't mean I don't think things, yeah, and it doesn't mean I don't have values, and it doesn't mean that I don't talk to my husband about things or my bestie and go, can you believe? But I would never I don't and I and I would like to consider myself a pretty successful, abundant, happy person. I think people who are in the way of their own magic and their own joy and their own faith, we're just not participating in that. So you you want to know if someone's out out of alignment, go, go just yeah, that's a great US. Yes, so yes, it can exist.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Yes, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

And I would run from them pretty fast.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Okay, good, yeah. So, what is a life lesson? Uh well, what's a lesson in life that you felt like got you got um kept handed to yourself until you learned it? Is there a lesson that you kept repeating itself?

Curate Your Inputs, Protect Your Peace

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Yeah, um like someday syndrome is like probably one of the more deadly epidemics in our in our society today, and certainly women in the Gen X era. That's those are kind of the babes I talk to the most, right? Um these Gen X women who are waiting for someday. And I was that girl, you know, you know, I'll do it someday when I quit my corporate job. Yeah, someday when, you know, uh I have the time, the money, someday when I get married, someday someday when I get like super skinny or someday when I can afford like hair extensions. Oh my god, you know what I'll do it someday when the kids graduate, someday when I retire, all this BS, right? Yeah. And uh what if today was like the last day, right? And how does that change things? And my best friend lost her mom, early 60s, like way too young to Alzheimer's. And man, they waited their whole lives. Her mom and her dad, Ruth and Bert, Bert would, they waited forever. They were gonna, when Bert retired, he was a CEO, she was like country club wife, you know, and um she got Alzheimer's and died at like 62. And they were gonna, when Bert retired, they were gonna do the Almafi coast, they were gonna go to Italy, they were gonna go to Ireland, they were gonna do it all. They had been saving their whole lives, and babe, they did none of it. They did none of it. And that has inspired so many of us because 62, number one. And shit, what if today? So I'm like, no, wear the good jeans, light the good candle, use the china, like literally spray the best perfume you've got today. Like, what are we waiting for? So that is a lesson I learned, and I'm so glad I did that. It's come up over time and time again, because I think I did a lot of even when I was young, waiting. Well, yeah, I'll do it someday when I'm when I get this job or have this boss, or you know, I'll do it someday when I have a little bit more money in the bank, or maybe when I have a husband, then I can like go be an entrepreneur. Now I'm not saying quit your job tomorrow because you don't have a husband. You know what I mean? You gotta be smart, you gotta have the parachute. But I think that's my lesson, that's my intuitive answer for you today. And I think the story of Ruth and losing Ruth very young, but also watching them not do all those things. And now it's awesome because Bert, so Sarah, they've got two boys. She was an only child, her mom was her best friend and like her maid of honor and her wedding, all this stuff. But like now Bert is doing it with Sarah and Peter and their boys. And they was like Iceland, they're doing Iceland this year, they did Africa last year, so that he's doing it, but they but Ruth isn't, yeah. You know, and not that Ruth didn't have a full beautiful life, but there were a lot of she probably took a lot of dreams to the graveyard.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Yeah, yeah. No, that's a good one. Um, okay, two more. What is your zone of genius?

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Enthusiasm. Ooh, I'm very I think people mistake my enthusiasm for energy. They're like, Yeah, I do have good energy. And I think when I am excited, I like improv like when I love something, human design, improv, whatever, I get obsessed. And I am like want to just tell everybody about it. And so uh, and I think that's what makes me so feel so real. And it I'm not saying that I'm not, but I think I come off as very real to people because I legit just very excited. If I am talking about something, I'm a very enthusiastic person. So I think that's my one of my major superpowers. I just have a zest for life, yeah, and I have uh energy, but I I work hard to to to maintain it, but I also am just really naturally enthusiastic. Yeah, I love that. That's cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

And then last one, if you had a um, like what is your walk-up song right now?

SPEAKER_01 53:14

Oh, there's so many. Oh my god. Um well, I am so into uh Queen Herbie. So I love Queen's music. I don't know if we know her. We'll have to link to my Holy Flow playlist. So I would think anything by Queen. Awesome. Uh, but there is a song she just put out called Sensational. Sensational, uh, all about how you are so sensational. And that has been like my personal uh walk-on song, but I'm also from St. Louis, so Nellie's batter up is always a good thing. Oh, that's a good one, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

I know that one. Awesome. Yeah, well, and I just like loved and appreciated everything that you shared. I feel like we could have talked for like another two hours. So um, thank you. And honestly, I I know that the audience took away so many great things. I know I did. I felt like, okay, like what I felt in this book obviously came out with everything that you shared. And I mean, I'm halfway through it, and so I know that. Like, I also love that you just did this, and like you're like, what's the pull? That's how you can use it. Moving forward, right?

Loss, Letting Go, And Trust

SPEAKER_01 54:13

On the table book, yeah, she is she is a gift for friends, but she is really designed. You can read her front to back, but she is really made to like give you the message for the day. Yes, right, which is which is which is powerful. We are going to I'm gonna be doing the Audible on her this quarter. So Audible will come out this spring, and then we're gonna we have a little surprise up our sleeves for um the one-year anniversary. I think we're gonna bring a hardcover copy online and make it shift it up a little bit. Yes, yeah. So which will be which will be sort of a one-year anniversary edition. Um anyway.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

Awesome, love that. And I'll be putting this in the show notes as well. Um, but thank you so much for being on the confident podcast and all of your energy and everything you shared with the audience.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Well, feelings are so mutual. You're a great interviewer. Keep going. I love it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Well, thank you all so much for tuning into today's podcast. As you can see, Judy is amazing. There's so many great things that I have taken away from today. And I just love what she shared about her book and what we can do to really be honest with ourselves, even when that means we have to let go of old versions of ourselves and what people might think of us. Um, again, if you are tuning in for the first time, welcome. If you have been a listener for a long time, welcome back. Be sure to subscribe to our channel. And anything that you took away from today, I'd love to hear. So email me at Lisa at LisaTarkington.com. Check out our website at podcast.lisa Tarkington.com, and make sure that you subscribe to our YouTube channel. Again, always here to support you in every way. And as I say it every podcast, continue to spread love and kindness to everybody that you meet.

unknown 55:53

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

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