A Deep Dive into Alien Constructs: My Chart Reading with DK Brainard

I’m sharing a powerful chart reading I received 3 years ago from expert astrologer DK Brainard. This session clarified so much for me in understanding my own purpose, power, and depth.

DK walks me through key patterns in my chart that explain why I’ve always felt different, how my energy operates in leadership, and what I’m truly here to do.

I also share where I’ve landed since this session and how I’ve grown into this purpose more fully.

Through DK’s expert interpretation and my reflections, you’ll gain deeper insight into how these rare and intense placements are not flaws—but the architecture of your leadership potential.

If you've struggled to reconcile your depth with the world around you, and you've always sensed you were "built differently", this is your permission slip—and your map—to start seeing your unique configuration not as a curse, but as the core of your sacred work.

What You’ll Learn:

• What “Alien Constructs” are in astrology and how they show up in charts
• The unique spiritual and psychological challenges of Pluto-heavy placements and why these intense placements often feel isolating
• Why these configurations often create deep feelings of alienation—and how to alchemize that into purpose
• How your sensitivity, intensity, and seeming “weirdness” are signatures of your medicine, and why feeling like an outsider is part of your purpose
• Navigating visibility and fear of being misunderstood
• Reflections on how my understanding of these placements has evolved over the last three years
• Why this kind of astrology work is essential for healers, coaches, and practitioners doing soul-aligned work

If this episode resonates, please rate, review, and share it with someone on a similar path.

Resources & Links:

• Chart Your Power Toolkit & Guidebook – Discover if you're an Outer Planet Person
• Learn More About DK Brainard
• Past podcast episode about Pluto
• Past podcast episode about Alien Constructs

Chapters

• 0:00 Why This Session Matters
• 4:43 Double Pluto Patterns Explained
• 11:45 Toxic Shame And Ancestral Baggage
• 19:47 Working With Pluto Energy Consciously
• 27:35 Triggers, Teachers, And Boundaries
• 35:10 Communicating The Work Without Hiding
• 42:25 Channels, Clients, And Right Fit
• 50:15 Being Misunderstood And Staying True
• 58:25 Values, Money, And Chiron Lessons
• 1:05:25 Owning Power And Wider Impact
• 1:12:15 Reflection, Pluto Square Pluto, Next Steps
• 1:20:25 Free Kit, Services, And Invitation

Transcript

Michelle Dowker: 1:05

Today is a different episode and it's a very special one because I'm sharing with you the recording of my very first session with astrologer DK Bernard three years ago. He's the astrologer that I've been telling you about that I went to go learn more about my own alien patterns and Pluto placements because he's one of the few that I've been able to find who has good knowledge about these patterns. And after the session that I had with him, I ended up working with him ongoing for about six months afterwards. And it's been such a gift. Learning about these alien patterns was not just about understanding these astrology placements. It was the thing that helped me understand myself to such a deep level. And learning more and more about these alien patterns allowed me to tap into another level of my gifts, my abilities, my strengths that have enabled me to move forward in the soul-aligned direction and my purpose that's been calling to me pretty much my whole life. So I share this with you because I wanted you to see his interpretation of my chart and alien charts in general and Pluto placements, because so many of my clients have alien patterns and hard Pluto placements, like I've been talking about in the podcast episodes this season and what's in the free guidebook. So you understand the context around the sound quality of this podcast episode. DK was recording the session on his side, so you hear me as though I'm talking on the telephone, and he's speaking directly into the microphone. So all of his explanations are clear, even though you might be hearing me speak, and that part doesn't sound the greatest. Try to just ignore that part and enjoy the rest of the call. So if you're curious if you've got any type of alien pattern placement or hard Pluto placement, or you just want to know more about me, I hope that you enjoy this session recording. I think you're in for a real treat. One thing I definitely want to make sure that we cover today is understanding um this thing with Pluto.

DK Brainard: 3:46

Yeah, yeah. The Pluto thing, you know, in and of itself is so you have two of the Pluto alien patterns. Right? So Sun, Sun, Pluto, Moon, Pluto. And I mean the moon Pluto is like eight minutes apart, which is what, an eighth of a degree? I mean, it's so exact, but they're they're all they're really strong. I have a Saturn, I'm a Saturn vessel, and mine's about um four degrees, you know. So and it that's just plenty strong enough. But the having the moon and Pluto in the same degree, uh I looked at that and I was like, oh wow, okay. Um let me tell you a little bit about how I see the alien patterns, um, how they tend to show up in general, and then we can look at both of the the, you know, so the Pluto um vessel and Pluto Power are very similar archetypally and energetic, but they have a different energetic as far as how they manifest. Um but you know, I just to start out, I would say that uh and and and it's in the eighth house, which is like just super crazy. Um with the Pluto alien patterns in general, people who carry them I I they they changed the plan, so I'll go back and pick up the general stuff about the alien patterns in a minute. They just want to go straight into it. Yeah. So that you you have like this double shaman energy. And I feel like we volunteer on some level as souls to take on these patterns because we you still have to deal with you know all the other stuff that your chart shows, like South Node, you know, what did I come in with? What's my comfort zone? What's my kind of instinctive gift? Where do I tend to get stuck in life? North Node. What's the you know, undiscovered country as a soul? What's this kind of magnetic north that's always calling me, but that feels really scary and unfamiliar? Saturn, how do I develop responsibility and you know, develop my internal authority and structure my life in appropriate ways? Mercury, how do I communicate? You know, all that stuff, right? And then on top of that, um, so I guess I am going back a little bit. I feel like the the metaphor that I got years ago, which just still seems very apt to me, is that we have like sat down, you know, as a soul, and of course, in the soul realm we feel no pain, right? Time is not linear, um, there's no gravity like we have here. And we've sat down and we've like chosen our sex and our um you know race and our um like our socioeconomic pattern, our family. We I think we actually probably choose family members, you know, to play certain roles for us and stuff. And then it's like you look up as you're about to go through the portal and come down and be born, and it's like extra credit, you know, bonus bonus assignment, be an alien pattern person. And you look you're looking at the board and you're like, oh wow, Pluto power. So I would be like this kind of high priest, um, you know, master teacher leader energy in helping people um basically like go deep into their unconscious shame and fear and all of the stuff that you know that they've inherited from ancestors that's not even theirs, but it's in their body and it's like totally messing up their life. And then, you know, I can help them, I can teach them how to heal that, and then when they heal it, they can actually be empowered, embodied, you know, spiritual beings having this earthly experience and create the life that they want for themselves and help other people, and then we can like heal the entire world, right? Beautiful. And then Yeah, but what about what about the people that you know I wouldn't be able to reach because they're not gonna be wanting to like you know get into this teaching thing that I have. And then it's like, well, I could also add the Pluto vessel pattern, which is more of a magnetic um thing. So I could pull out from people the you know, like when people encounter me, I pull up their deepest shame and f and deepest unconscious fear. And then it's out in the open, and then you know, then I can use the sun pattern to like help them understand how to heal it, and then you know, it's just gonna be fantastic. And which it which it is, it's a like a really you know audacious uh life path. Um I always imagine though, like our soul group is like, you know, okay, Michelle, just you gotta remember once you get there, you can't turn it off, you know, and it's like really heavy there, and people are really fucked up and shut down and mean, and you know, you sure you you and you're like, ah, I can handle it, man. You know, the the length of a lifetime is like the blink of an eye, right? And in the from the perspective of eternity. It's like, yeah, yeah, just get in there, do it, get out, it's gonna be awesome. And so you did. And here you are. And um and it's I really feel like the way the alien patterns work is that you agreed to carry this You know, it's not a being per se. Um it's more of a a program or a pattern that is gonna be with you your whole life and um and you can't turn it off. You know, you can kind of shut it down for a little while, um, but then if you if you repress it too hard, I mean it just blows up with horrible consequences. I'm sure some of what you've experienced. Um because and that's the like the basic alien pattern um sort of framework or story. And the the guy who you know discovered these called them alien patterns not because he thought that you know we were extraterrestrials, at least he never says that he did. Um but because everybody that he encountered, he was an astrologer with these patterns had a similar story of alienation that started pretty early in childhood. And you know, so it's like when you come into the world with these patterns, they're always on, even when you're a little baby, you know. And so basically with the the um power alien pattern, the sun, Pluto, you're always radiating out like the sun, right? You're radiating out this energy of the bandwidth of Pluto, which is basically evolve or die. You know, it's like you gotta go. Pluto says, um you know I don't really use the modern rulerships, but I'm a very uh very much, but I am aware of them in astrology. And Pluto is the modern ruler of of Scorpio, sort of makes sense. And of course you get a lot of Scorpio too, just to make sure, you know, that you didn't miss the boat on this one. Um sorry for laughing. We've got to laugh about it, right? Otherwise, you know, it'd be really grim. Right. Um I get it. Yeah. But so Pluto, Pluto basically, you know, the in a nutshell, um Pluto says we've all got this unconscious stuff that we you know inherit when we're born. And most people carry it around and try to keep it in the unconscious. And um, so then that eats away at our energy and it attracts um like vibrational people, situations, things to us that keep reinforcing these unconscious trauma patterns. You know, so I look at Pluto that my you know, I've been doing this for a while, and my understanding of Pluto has sort of crystallized around um toxic shame. And I think there's also a strong fear component to it as well, but I feel like the toxic shame part is maybe the most accessible, but definitely the most powerful for most people. And not and not just Pluto aliens, just everybody's got Pluto in their chart somewhere. But a lot of the Pluto stuff, you know, it's when we start looking back and going within, we can see that it goes all the way back to earliest childhood, whatever we can remember, and probably stories that we heard about ourselves from being babies and pre-verbal age. But 90% of it at least is not ours. You know, and so um I'm sure you're probably familiar are you familiar with the idea of toxic shame?

Speaker 3: 12:30

Yeah.

DK Brainard: 12:30

Okay. Yeah. So authentic healthy shame, right, is I talked about you behind your back. And then I realized, you know, maybe I got called out, or maybe I just realized, like, oh, I really love Michelle, and why did I do that? I don't even know I did that, but that was a really horrible thing to do. So I'm gonna go to that person that I said that mean thing to and apologize. And if I have to, I'll go to you and apologize, right? So that's shame comes up and says, Whoa, you crossed this person's boundary, right, without permission. That was a bad thing to do. And so that feels horrible, right, when we when we have a moment of authentic shame. But toxic shame is all of the stuff that, you know, and and like shorthand, I look at it as our parents and other authority figures, even siblings, you know, um, relatives, teachers when we're young, whatever they can't handle, the sh the toxic and so the toxic shame just, you know, until now keeps getting passed down generation to generation, right? So it's like whatever they can't handle about them, you know, what they believe is is bad or wrong about themselves, what they're ashamed of in themselves, they dump it into the children and then project it under the children and then make us accountable for it. You know, so it's like all the people that get told, like, oh, you're fat, you're ugly, you're stupid, you know, whatever, you're lazy, you're you're never gonna get married, you're blah, blah, blah, you're never gonna have a job because you're too whatever. All of that is like the parents' unconscious stuff, you know, that is being projected onto the children. But then as little kids, right, our parents are gods and we we need them to survive, and I think we love them because children are by nature innocent and loving. So that creates this like just unconscionable, untenable state of stress within the child, right? And so the child ends up believing the you know these messages and taking responsibility for, oh, I must be stupid or you know, my mom or dad wouldn't keep telling me that, right? And then what we learn is to be ashamed of these things that are basically implanted in us and never were ours, and we encapsulate them with stories and you know try to forget them and impress them into the unconscious. And so all of that, you know, whatever that material is eats away at our life energy, it eats away at our peace and happiness, it eats away at our optimism and self-belief and self-esteem, you know, because we have actually internalized these um emotions and ideas that say that I'm defective, there's something wrong with me. So basically you're explaining right now. Yay!

Speaker 3: 15:22

Bam!

Michelle Dowker: 15:22

So what you're explaining right now, but I forgot linked for it, basically helping I've come up with the word social unconditioning.

Speaker 3: 15:32

I love it.

Michelle Dowker: 15:34

Unconditioned from all that conditioning that means that we're not important and all the things, especially during the developmental year. And then starting to keep the shadows. So all the things that you didn't accept about yourself.

DK Brainard: 16:02

I got a good response over here. That's exactly what you should be doing. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 16:10

It's funny because all of us came about after I had just a week a few years ago. Basically, my mom passed away years ago now, and basically that's what kind of started the whole process. Um my doctor.

DK Brainard: 17:16

Okay. Feel free to ask specific questions and I'll tell you, you know, what I what I see or what I get. Um, as we as we go along. Like Yeah. Um the two basic things that seem to be the most important for the alien pattern people, any of the patterns, are developing as much awareness as possible about what the pattern is, how it operates, um, what it feels like when, you know, feels like, looks like, smells like, tastes like, um, sounds like when it's operating. And a lot of that is probably it's it's easiest to do in retrospect. You know, and once you get a once you get a feel for it, you're gonna start seeing like and and remembering like, oh, this is the moment where that relationship with that person went off the rails. It was when I said this. Or it was when, you know, they said this. And you you know, the crazy thing about this is you don't have to say anything. People can feel, uh, you know, especially with the double sun-moon pattern, people can feel it in you, you know. So um so yeah, there's more on that, but uh I want to just kind of I'm gonna try to stay focused here. Um so recognizing what the pattern is, like working with the archetype of Pluto, you know, which you can do in your meditation, you can do um I mean I'm not a big ritual person anymore because I think it's really powerful and um I think it's really dangerous and you know it it can it works, but it can have unintended consequences. But um you know there are simple rituals that aren't like summoning you know spirits or or uh powers that we don't really know that much about. One of those was I used to wear a skull, a plastic skull um hanging on my belt. And it usually was covered by my shirt, you know, but uh so other people didn't realize it. But it was just to remind me of, you know, the kind of Plutonian Saturn too, um, but the memento moray, you know, it's like where my death is always at hand, right? And so I'm gonna take advantage of the moment. So I mean all kinds of things like that can be really powerful as far as like tuning you into the frequency of Pluto and helping you just become um I don't know if at peace is the right word, but um you know become familiar with it. And so so you're you're actually developing like a working relationship where it's like, okay, I you know, I agreed to carry this energy, this tran this really transpersonal um transformational dynamo within me. And so I'm gonna learn as much about this thing and how it works as possible and and cooperate with it as much as possible, you know, as long as it's in in my own best interest. So that and so that I'm not unconsciously blocking it or you know turning it away, or like, you know, just tractor beam focusing it on someone until they spontaneously combust, you know, which is a possibility, I guess, with the Pluto as well. So that's the first one. It's just like the more you can learn about it, you know, the better. Um I'll tell you everything I can in an hour. And also, you know, you're I I just know from the way you've described the work that you do that you have the facility, you know, left brain and right brain, right, to be able to tune in and start, you know, I would just start making a a float uh you know, list or graphic flow chart like um database, you know, whether it's mental or written or on the computer, where you're just starting to compile, like, okay, this is a this is like a warning sign. You know, or this is uh a thing that tunes me into, okay, this is one of this is the vessel pattern operating, this is the power pattern operating. Um the second thing, so first thing is learn as much as you can about it. Second thing is bring it into what you're doing in the world. So you're already doing that, so that's great. Um and that that's a huge one because a lot of times people with the alien patterns are really gifted at using, you know, at transmitting that pattern to people that they they have because of their conditioning and programming, you know, they find it like like at least the first time that they have a session with me. They're like, well, I can't actually go become a shaman or like a you know do shadow work with people, right? I've got this corporate job and I've got a family and whatever. So you're like already ahead of the curve on that one, which is great.

Michelle Dowker: 22:02

Um you would have talked to me 10 years ago, that wouldn't have been easy.

DK Brainard: 22:06

Yeah, right, right. But you know, some people go through that kind of awakening opportunity and just resist it, you know, and then they have to suffer for like 20 more years or whatever. So um Yeah, so so good on you for that one. Um The way that all of the patterns tend to work is that whenever we come into the instrument patterns are a little different, but luckily you don't have to deal with that one. Oh that would be like the you know, the ultimate survival test is like can I put my Pluto sun or vessel and um power pattern in the first house so I can have an instrument, double instrument pattern too. Um But the the sun and moon patterns both have a a very similar way that they work in the world, which is when we come into contact with somebody one-on-one, um this the the energy of those patterns will start connecting with the other person. And I feel like this happens pretty much in any interaction, like even if you're at the grocery store or the gas station or something and you say hi to the clerk or you know, whatever. There's a you know, that pattern is going to try to connect because that's what it does. But obviously it's much more um powerful and intense with somebody that you live with, with your husband or wife or you know, child or your parent, your you know, coworker. Um usually the way that we those of us who have these patterns become aware of it is through the other person's through responses from other people. So I find that to be generally the easiest way of tracking it and starting to really develop that feel for it. So typically, what are the Pluto reaction patterns gonna be? And you know, I should also say that actually let me just read this to you real quick, because this is from the inner guide meditation, um, which is the the name of the book is also in the handout that I'm gonna send you. But he this is Ed Steinbreckers, the guy who discovered this stuff.

Michelle Dowker: 24:22

Okay.

DK Brainard: 24:23

So um I'll start with the moon pattern be but they're very, very the the list of keywords and stuff is almost identical with the um with the uh power vessel power alien pattern. So he says the plutonium plutonium vessels draw transformation energy from themselves and others. They inspire knowledge relating to irreversible change, sex energy, and the physics of sex, transformation processes, astral projection, healing, levitation, metamorphosis, birth, death, and rebirth. They have the ability to free the ascending aspect of the kundalini or any other blocked energy in others. Hence their healing powers are great. They have great charisma, they are natural sleuths and finders of hidden or lost things. Resistance to consciousness of their abilities takes the forms of compulsions, obsessions, rage, jealousy, vengefulness, sex without love, nihilism, criminal thought, outrageous behavior, debauchery, sex-related disease, sadism, sarcasm, and stubborn blindness. But in addition, they can unconsciously project these forms into those around them and not see them in themselves. The difference with the power alien is just the the like energetic mode that it takes. So the plutonian powers are the masters of metamorphosis and irreversible change. They move people, things, and situations from one level of vibration to the next one above it, often using the acceleration of time or sexuality to accomplish this. They destroy the old and outmoded through silent, relentless, often invisible processes. And then the rest of it is kind of the same positive and negative um effect. So basically, whenever you come into contact with somebody, this transformation, you know, for you, this double channel comes in into operation. And what it's always trying to do is m move people from a lower level of vibration or evolution to a higher level. But the way it does that, right, is by bringing um and I think that the ascending channel of the kundalini is a really powerful way of sort of visualizing or understanding it. And that's definitely true in my experience um working with Pluto aliens, is that you have this ability to basically start the the Kundalini process rising. You know, which always needs to be accompanied by the descending channel, which is the Uranian, um, so that's Uranus. Is the descending channel of the Kundalini? And you've got a pretty strong, you know, it's not an alien pattern, but you've got a pretty strong Uranus signature in your chart, too. Um, with Uranus, Mars, Venus, all conjunk. Um But like whenever you come into contact with somebody, these processes are gonna start up. So you're gonna start magnetically pulling up from people's unconscious into their awareness. All of the things that are blocking them from the positive side of Pluto, which is power, unlimited resources. Um I really feel like when when Pluto is healed in the chart, it's like we know our mission, we know why we're here, we know who we are, we've healed enough of the generational family ancestral childhood trauma, you know, integrated enough of the shadow stuff that we're actually really comfortable with our power, and we're really comfortable with being who we are and knowing who we are and knowing why we're here. And so there that creates this energetic signature of this person, you know, like a Native American medicine man or medicine woman. Um I don't know if you've ever worked with any of the um Native tribes or people uh up there, but that might be an interesting You know, one of the things you've got to be oh there's so much here, man. I'm trying to like chunk it down. One of the things you've got to be aware of with both of those Pluto patterns is that you're going to try you know, you've got to be really careful about having a mentor or a teacher, especially in a physical space. Because if they're not who they say they are, they're gonna say they're gonna tend to sign single you out as the problem. Because you know, they don't know why, right, typically. But they just know that you're seeing through them. And it feels and and so to the toxic shame stuff, right? The toxic shame patterns, because they're parasitic in nature, um and because they're feeding off of our energy by being in the unconscious, and I you can expand that to kind of any negative shadow aspects, right? They they absolutely depend on staying hidden to to maintain their power over us. Right, because as soon as you call as soon as you can speak anything that is shameful out into the light and have that, you know, that's why recovery groups work so well. Um and speaking as somebody who really, really benefited from being in recovery. It really works because I I'm in a situ I'm in a space where I can say, I didn't want to drink, you know, and but I saw that bottle of wine and I just, you know, I couldn't control myself. And so the toxic shame part of that is you don't have any um willpower, right? You're you're uh you're like an impulsive whatever, blah, blah, blah. And you can't control yourself. And so being able to say that in in a space where it's just being held as like, hey, that's cool, you know, we all know what you're talking about, and we've all been there in our own way. And you know, you're still a good person. We you're still worthy of love. Um but you gotta be careful with being with authority figures, because if they're um if they're not who they say they are, if they're putting up a false front, you're gonna trigger the shit out of them. But all that being said, um it might be interesting to, you know, if you've ever worked with or had the opportunity to to observe kind of closely a real medicine woman or real medicine man, because the They have that easy I mean, I don't know if it's easy, but they're at ease with their power. Right? Because they know it's not they know that it's not theirs. They know that they're a channel for some healing energy to come through. And I feel like ultimately that's you know, that's kind of the answer to everything for you and for your life purpose and for, you know, having what you want in life and being able to help the people that are able to be helped, is that you know, you gotta own it, you gotta figure out what it takes to be able to own that, hey, I'm gonna come into your life where you're gonna do a session with me, and it's gonna send you on an elevator to hell, basically. Yeah, I mean you've got the like Libra Aquarius, you know, kind of like air air sign facility with people, right? Which can make you know, I think is is actually helpful. Um so Libra is like the natural diplomat, right? And when Libra's when it's in a good place, it's like really good at making people feel valued and feel like you know um you have value, you belong here, right? You're good, you're beautiful, you're you know, whatever. And Aquarius is just like, hey man, we all belong, no matter how fucked up you are. Who cares? You know, it's like life is crazy. Um, everybody's uh secretly a wacko too. Um so I feel like that's protective in a lot of ways, and also you know, maybe you're already I mean I feel like you're pretty much already here, but there I also feels like there's another level of it that is like I'm just uh I'm like w I'm walking around in circles here trying to tune this in. Um that's a presentation thing. And it's almost like a script. Um where and then conversely that helps you step into ownership of it more because let's face it, there aren't really a lot of role models for you. Right? I mean there aren't a lot of people who are even willing to consider, you know, uh until now, um you know, to going on that journey, right? And and there aren't a lot of people who are skilled facilitators at it and who have the integrity that you have. So you know that's a little bit challenging in the sense that you can't just hop on the internet, you know, or go to like some local thing down at the YMCA or the yoga studio and be like, oh, that person is embodying this thing that I'm doing. And that that's a really great way I can kind of you know steal that move from them, or like, you know, that's some good pattern that they have, you know what I'm saying? Um but what you really like the the key, a huge super key thing is owning it and being like, okay, this is who I am. There's no going back until, you know, until I'm transitioning to the next life, right? And so um however uh unclear it may feel at times because I don't know who to, you know, who I can sort of follow, who's who's blazed this trail before, I have to step into this as fully as possible and own it, you know, and and basically like whenever I'm encountering somebody, whether it's a client or the clerk at the grocery store, um, you know, I'm sending this message of like, hey, you know, I'm this really loving, nice, um, amiable, good communicator, Libra, right? But underneath, there is something really powerful and dangerous for your ego. You know, and so I feel like there's something about even just um speaking that out loud in your mind to people, especially if you start sensing some of those negative um qualities coming in. You know, so like any any kind of compulsive behavior, any kind of like greedy, graspy, um rapey kind of vibes, you know, that's gonna tell you, okay, the this person's feeling the Pluto stuff. Shut down too. Shut down ghosting, you know, like getting going really cold and blank or very Pluto. You know, and it's like, okay, this person's like, they're feeling the the you know Pluto vibes. So um one of the things that you can do, and this is like uh is a really powerful because you have so much Scorpio in your chart, too, is just talk using your mental voice to talk out loud to people. And you can do it um, you know, it doesn't have to happen in real time. You can do it retroactively. So like if you come out of uh a session with a client and you like they're flailing, you know, they don't think they can take it, right? They're gonna bail. Um or they, you know, they like keep making excuses to not show up for the next appointment or whatever. This is a really um powerful way, and it's like been tested by a lot of clients who have alien patterns. Is just you know, visualizing that person in your mind and talking to them out loud and calling out whatever the toxic shame shadow component is. So like, hey Marge, um, you know you and you can say it out loud too if you're in a you know private space where you can talk out loud and not be worried about people flipping out or whatever, but just like hey Marge, um that's the second time you've canceled in this appointment. And then as soon as you start tuning into like what you actually know, you're gonna get all this information. Like as soon as you start that conversation, and there's something about using your voice or your mental voice that actually will put it in that person's field in a way that they can engage with it. You know, some people will choose not to engage with it and just never hear from them again. You know. That is what it is. But other people are gonna be like, wow, I couldn't engage with this when I was in your energy because I was so you know, it's like you gotta recognize the level to which people are getting triggered by encountering this double Pluto pattern, right? Which I'm sure you do. I'm sure you've seen that. But but I was gonna say, I'm sure that you have seen that happen, so you know what that looks like and feels like, right?

Speaker 3: 37:36

Yeah.

DK Brainard: 37:37

Yeah. I mean it it's like the toxic shame is such I think it's the worst, most horrible emotional feeling that we have in life. Um it's so hideous, and it it's really hideous because it's not ours, but we've been taught to take responsibility for it. But we don't even know, you know, most people don't even know what it is, right? They can kind of like they get a little bit of a feel for it. But um Yeah. So when you talk out loud to somebody with your mental voice, you know, it like spirit spiritually, right? Then you're putting this energy in their field, and their soul is gonna know that that energy is there. And so you can be like, Marge, you know, I d I've just seen like you haven't showed up the last couple times. And then as soon as you say that opening part, you're gonna know exactly what's there. You're gonna be like, oh wow, yeah, you're like totally f uh freaking out because you don't think you can do this, and it feels like it's gonna just destroy you, and you know, you're because of your trauma with your mom, you know, your self-esteem is so fragile, and you feel like if you actually show up in session, you're gonna tell me what you're really feeling, and then I'm gonna think you're crazy, and you're probably gonna be institutionalized, you know, whatever, all this stuff will start showing up, right? But it's okay. You know, and it's okay to So the same thing you would do with somebody like working with their inner child or a shadow self. It's okay to feel that, right? You don't have to be ashamed of that. And I can help you work through this. And also, you know, in order for me to help you, you have to show up. Right? And that and you're gonna feel so much better. You know, so you can just tell them all this stuff, but the act of actually calling out the the Pluto shadow, like hidden stuff, is really, really powerful. And I would say like one of the best um kind of self-defense and helping other people tactics with the Pluto alien patterns. I'm gonna take a breath. That was a lot.

Michelle Dowker: 39:51

That was really helpful.

DK Brainard: 39:54

Good, good.

Michelle Dowker: 39:56

Yeah. Um one of the so what a couple of things. First of all, I come to realize that my mother wasn't a surprise.

DK Brainard: 40:31

Right.

Michelle Dowker: 40:32

Um and one of the things that she had said to me was that when I was a baby, apparently I I can't remember the exact wording she used, but it was like I gave off so much light and power that it triggered her, and she didn't know what to do with that energy. She felt so uncomfortable around me. I was a little baby.

Speaker 3: 41:00

Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 41:02

And I feel like maybe that could have been plutonium stuff going on, but probably especially for her, because there there was a level of inauthenticity with her, right? Because of her own toxic human movement.

DK Brainard: 41:19

Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 41:20

And because of because of that and my my own conditioning, I hid all of that for myself for the first twenty-five years of my life.

DK Brainard: 41:32

Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 41:33

And you know, because of my first level of awakening about twenty years ago. Um what's actually going on? My own experience with my mother.

DK Brainard: 42:09

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 42:15

Yeah. So owning this and actually speaking to it publicly. I think this is important.

DK Brainard: 42:24

It's super important, yeah. Yeah, and I mean it it's like I I don't you know, all of the uh all of the alien patterns I feel like are incredibly difficult to bear. You know, and they get easier over time. And you're totally on the right path with it because you're doing your own inner work and you're helping people, other people with their inner work. So, you know, those are like probably the two single most important things you could be doing to um to ameliorate your experience of carrying these two patterns. But they they're really hard. I mean, they they're they're like a blessing that you know, they're a gift that you agreed as a soul to bring into the world. But I can say like 90 I mean, I would say 100% of the clients that I've had are are people that I've known that had alien patterns and were had done enough inner work to have some self-awareness, would all agree like this is it feels like a curse. It's felt like a curse pretty much my whole life.

Michelle Dowker: 43:32

Um Yeah, it's only been it's only been the past couple of years that I can say that I see this this is a gift and not a curse, because for most of my life I have felt like it's been a curse, so I totally get that.

DK Brainard: 43:44

Yeah, yeah. I mean, man, and that's like um that's a really great leverage kind of point for working with your younger selves, you know, and and um I mean I don't know if you've done I'm assuming that you've done some shadow work, inner child work, you know, healing work with the baby cells. That's uh uh that that one to me was like it and continues to be one of the hardest ones when something comes up because you you can't really remember it. You know, you know what you're told and you you get a feel for it. But um but just reinforcing you know that sense of hate, you know, I've battled through the first 41 years of my life, right? Up until the Iranis opposition go figure. Um the first 42 years of my life, right? Not knowing really who I was, not being allowed to know who I was, um, not knowing what this thing was that would always kind of create these same effects and relationships and you know, in my work and within myself. And I I hung in there and I kept fighting and I kept moving forward and I kept trying, and I got to a point where I actually, you know, I trust myself. And I'm willing to grow, you know, and do whatever it takes to become fully the person that my soul wanted to become in this lifetime. So I feel like that positive reinforcement for the self is really powerful. Because it's an that's an epic journey, man. You know, and honestly, you look around, that's why most people aren't at this point, I think they're getting more and more willing, maybe, you know, as things seem to get grimmer in the collective reality. But um but most people up until now haven't been willing, you know, or even had the an iota of self-belief that they were capable of being on the journey that you've been on. So the part of owning the power, owning this is you know, just reinforcing to yourself like what you really needed as a child, right? Is hey, you're really powerful. Wow, you're so powerful, it's like overwhelming me sometimes. And but that's a good thing because I want to get better, I want to heal, I want to grow, right? I want to heal my trauma. I mean it's like hard to imagine your mom or my mom saying that, but um when we were kids, right? But that's what we on some level, that's what we needed is that validation. And so you the more that you can give that validation to your younger selves, the more that will just in a more easeful, graceful way help you step into the power of who you are and what you're doing.

Michelle Dowker: 46:29

I mean Yeah. If you were to explain in a nutshell, like if I'm gonna like go public with this, like, I've got this like double call it. This this double channel power totally construct power. Like how I could like summarize what that actually is in a way that like people would be like, oh, that's okay.

DK Brainard: 47:07

Um yeah. I and I think the the first part of the Yeah, that was funny.

Michelle Dowker: 47:17

You know, I don't want to be saying I'm a double alien.

DK Brainard: 47:20

Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I mean I'd leave that part out probably you know, because it's just confusing to people, right? Um but okay, I think the the first thing is um I have an alien pattern client from like when I first started out who um became a friend and and and a colleague, and um she was a marketing coach for a long time, and she like you know decided she wanted to help like spiritual entrepreneurs and stuff. And so she was like, you know, hey, you want to just like I'll I'll just give you this for free. I'll I'll I'll coach you for a while. And um, yeah, and I feel like I always feel like I let her down because I just couldn't like she was telling me all this kid stuff and I was just like you know wandering around in my Pisces wasteland. Um, I didn't do that, but I I want to do it, but I just yeah. But she she tuned me into something. She was I because I was like, you know what? I can't do this. I I feel like I can't do any of this anymore because I can't, you know, I was trying, this was like probably fifth, ten, ten, twelve years ago. I was trying to like adapt to the whole social media thing and and like getting on Facebook and stuff, and like, you know, I'm like, I can't promise people what all these like you know million-dollar spiritual coaches or whatever are promising people because it's not true. I mean, it is true. I can help you live the life of your dreams and you know, um, just have the greatest life of all time. But in before I do that, you're gonna have to go to hell. And most people don't want to hear that. And she's a Scorpio, she's like, well, Scorpios love that shit. Maybe your target audience should be Scorpios. And I was like, dude, there's it's probably like one-twelfth of the population, right? There's enough Scorpios in the world. So, I mean, I would give you similar advice in the sense of I think it's important to put it out there in a way that is not hiding the power of what you do. You don't have to tell people I'm super powerful and I'm gonna change your life, right? But you what I do feel like is important is putting it out there in, you know, i so that it's visible that what I do is not what other people do. I can help you fix your health, I can help you fix your relationship, I can help you have the life that you want. But it's gonna require you committing to the most intense journey of your lifetime. Yeah. Yeah. And so what that's doing, so one of the great things that you know about the fact that you're already doing this work and that you're not still stuck in some kind of crazy left brain, you know, nothing against naturopaths, but um you know what I'm saying, like stuck in this kind of like um matrix level thing. Is that you're actually already offering this to people who you know want what you they want that healing, right? They don't want, you know, so presumably your clients are coming to you because they've tried a bunch of more surface level stuff and it's not working, right? Yeah. So that's actually the a great place for the alien patterns because you know, you kind of like one of the metaphors I use for the any of the alien patterns is it's like having a, you know, a two-year-old Labrador and you're living in a tiny apartment, you know, and it's like you go out to work every day and you're just leaving this dog that needs to run like ten miles every day. You know, you're leaving it cooped up inside. It's gonna destroy your house, right? It's gonna like it's gonna be like that movie, like uh Marley and me. Um But if you give it what it needs, if you let it, if you take it out and let it run behind your truck out in the country for, you know, five miles out and five miles back every day, then it's gonna be the best dog in the whole world because it's doing what it needs to do, you know, which is get a ton of exercise, right, and chase something. And so the alien patterns are kind of similar in that sense, in that they need a channel to run in. And the more you can have um sacred boundaries around you know, as many relationships as possible. And clients are you know, clients are are great for that because you know you're saying, hey, here's what you're gonna get, here's what I can do, here's what you can expect. Also you gotta pay me because there has to be, you know, there has to be some kind of energy exchange for it. And these are the time boundaries. You know, this is I I love the doing the longer-term packages with people because I feel like that is really important for for who you are and what you do. Um but the more of that that you can do, the better the patterns are gonna work for you. Because uh really with these patterns, it's like as long as you have a heartbeat. They're gonna still be reaching out to anybody that comes in contact with you. You know, even if you're like a total derelict or whatever, um they're gonna come through you and reach try to reach out to people. So you're gonna be giving your gift, you know, regardless of what you're doing in life, at least to some extent. But what you want to do is is share that gift in a way that is not exacting this terrible price from you. And I don't think that that is like I don't think that's one of the preconditions of when we were souls when we said, hey, I'm gonna take on the extra credit assignment. I don't think that you know that came with a thing of, oh, cool, you're gonna suffer free the whole time you're down there on earth, right? I think the suffering is because we aren't weren't allowed to know who we are. And you know, we're still as we I mean, I'm 54, you know, I'm still like taking layers of that stuff out, right? Because it's like the social conditioning is just so powerful and goes so deep, and then the ancestral epigenetic stuff as well. Um but the Yeah. I'm gonna stop there. Does that make sense?

Michelle Dowker: 53:44

It does.

DK Brainard: 53:45

Okay. So so I think you know Yeah, sorry.

Michelle Dowker: 53:50

When you mention aliens need a channel to run in, what does that mean?

DK Brainard: 53:56

So it means that that Pluto vessel pattern and the Pluto power pattern, they have a certain thing that they're here to do. Which is basically transform you know, transform people, wake people up, help people become aware of their toxic shame and their unconscious fear and that all the stuff that they're carrying around from childhood and ancestry and past lives, etc. Bring it out into the light, um, you know, clear the energy, integrate the shadow, right? So that's that's what they need to do. So the more that you're doing that in you know in ways that and and that can just be in the, you know, at this point, the more you're offering it clearly. And and the really the clarity too is I mean, I'm trying to get to your your question a few minutes ago. In the sense of you don't have to tell people, yeah, you don't have to like bludgeon them with you're gonna suffer, right? Um but but it has to be a clear energetic in whatever you're saying, you know, is that this is not for the faint of heart, right? Where you're putting your the energy of whatever you're offering people is clear that you know this is a deep transformational process.

Michelle Dowker: 55:22

Yeah.

DK Brainard: 55:23

And it's gonna require you to fake so the channel, the channel part is, you know, if you were um trying to go to work at a hospital every day and just go through a a list of symptoms and be like, oh yeah, well that's you know, what we learned in school was that you, you know, prescribe this supplement for that and and be in a really left-brained thing where you're not where where you know that there's underlying disease that needs to be treated, or everything else is just gonna be a band-aid, right? That would be a negative place because that's not giving the those patterns the channel that they need to run in. Right? It's it's locking.

Michelle Dowker: 56:04

That's where I was ten years ago with my work. Yeah.

DK Brainard: 56:10

Yeah. Yeah, so then they're gonna mess you up. The patterns are gonna mess you up if they can't get out, right? And that could be like through Yeah. Okay.

Michelle Dowker: 56:22

That makes total sense. I mean, I remember, you know, especially at the beginning, I was working in a small town as a naturopathic doctor. And I knew where I was. I I could see the patterns like that and emotions, and people were like, no, just tell me what to eat and give me a supplement. I don't want to talk about that shit.

Speaker 3: 56:41

Right.

Michelle Dowker: 56:42

I remember keeping me alive inside, and it makes sense now. I thought it was something wrong with me, but okay, yeah, I see it.

DK Brainard: 56:51

That's exactly it. You got it. You got it. Yep. Yeah. So uh traditional astrology uh it would be it's called collection and translation of light. So um Mercury is collecting the light of the sun and then translating or transmitting it, bringing it to the moon and Pluto. Yeah, and and feel free to just you know tell me if there's something specific that you want to tune into. It it does put Mercury in a really uh I could say privileged, but a very challenging position. You know, because he's like enclosed between the luminaries and then Pluto's right there as well. But uh it also yeah, it also um I'm just gonna translate this to where I see you being at this point in your life. Um, earlier in life, uh this is gonna be really challenging because um Mercury is combust, and this is a traditional astrology term too. It's when planets within seven degrees of the sun, it's it's considered combust. And so it's like its energy is like burned up by the sun. Um there's a certain validity to that, I think. Uh one of the one of the biggest ways I see that playing out in people's charts is that there's a tendency to be really uh my ideas, my thoughts are me. There's a tendency to like be confused about the difference between self and thought. So people can be very attached to their thought about you know how something should go or how you should do something or what's true, what's not true. Um at this point, the way I would see that working is that you may have to do um more mental work or like you know, switch like modalities. So if something's not working, you know, left brain trying to kind of reason it out and and use words and concepts and things like that, you might have to go right brain and meditate, you know, draw, um, play music, listen to music, you know, just get into that right brain thing to be able to pull out the ideas because a lot of times probably the most helpful ideas um are gonna actually just pop in, you know, when you're when your mind is relaxed, basically. Or or when you've exhausted the left brain modality. But and and I would I would also see like writing could be um a challenge, especially in the first half of life with that, because there's just so much energy there. But it's actually you are a really powerful writer, speaker, um, conveyor of ideas. It's just that the idea Yeah, the ideas that um This isn't trying to translate it into even more practical terms. If you were trying like if you're trying to write about naturopathic medicine, I think it would be really challenging for you to write about something surfacey. You know, like we always use this up, like this supplement is great for you know d helping people with chronic fatigue or whatever. But if you're writing about the roots of chronic fatigue, there's gonna be this once you get into it and get past the initial resistance, there's probably gonna be just this really deep, clear stream of thought that comes through. I don't know, and tell me if that's resonant with your experience or or not, if you want to.

Speaker 3: 1:00:41

Absolutely.

DK Brainard: 1:00:41

Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 1:00:44

And it's funny because on social media this has been something that I've only recently decided, like, you know what, screw what people are saying. Because I would I used to talk about these things and people would get angry with me on social media because the hell are you talking about? Stop stop trying to confuse them. I wasn't enjoying myself. I wasn't bringing clients that I wanted to.

DK Brainard: 1:01:17

Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 1:01:21

Some people don't like it.

DK Brainard: 1:01:25

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yep. And I mean, honestly, like your chart is like just a real setup for being misunderstood, you know, maybe most of the time. But I I think the beauty of the, you know, knowing about the alien patterns is well, there's a couple things with the Pluto patterns, too. One is you don't really want to interact with everybody. Because the more people's toxic shame that you activate, the more people are going to want to lash out at you because you're making me feel bad. I don't understand what you wrote, but it's making me feel hurdy and you're bad. I mean, that's just really like kind of how the negative side of the Pluto thing works, is like people want to come after you because you're the one that's making them feel ashamed, right? When you're not, they feel ashamed because they're carrying around this horrible payload of toxic shame that they inherited and they haven't dealt with it, right? So you're actually offering them the opportunity to be free and to feel great and to be authentic and to really feel alive and be alive. But you know, most people are not right now at a level to be able to even consider that. And so this is kind of that channeling thing again. Is you know what I I'm just gonna tell you, like I'm I got completely off of Facebook in 2020 and completely off of Instagram, and you know, I don't really have a social media presence because I just got tired of being attacked. Um But if I were going to do that again, you know, I would just do it as totally like, okay, you know, this I'm gonna just have to deal with a lot of people not understanding, you know, where I'm coming from or what I'm saying, and I can't care about that. I can't, you know, and if I can't do it without caring about it, then I gotta just find another way of like getting my work out there. But I feel like for you, on a client level, you're targeting a really specific, pretty small niche of people. And so what you want to do is, and this is part of that owning it thing, right? Is like if you're uh a Native American medicine man who runs a sweat lodge, you're not gonna be posting on Facebook about like, hey, we're having the you know, who wants to go downtown and see uh, you know, I don't know who the famous band is right now, but you know, look let's go party and see this band, and it was awesome. And you know, these pictures of me partying. Also, we got a sweat lodge Saturday, you know. Right? That's not happening, man. Because they're like they have, you know, it's like I'm I've got this really serious mission, and only maybe 10 or 20 people are going to show up to any given sweat lodge. And so, you know, half of those people will never come back, right? And but that one of those people, Spirit has chosen me to help, and that's what I'm here for. And so you kind of want to be posting with that sense of like there's one person out there, you know, who is ready and willing to go on this journey that I'm offering them. Yeah. Um you got a bucket pattern to Chiron in the second house in Taurus. So it's like all of the planets are on one half of the chart except for Chiron.

Michelle Dowker: 1:05:07

Right.

DK Brainard: 1:05:08

You know, so that's like that's a little bit of a challenge as far as um money and income and stuff goes. But it's also this energy of like the more so the Taurus and the second house are both about values. And um it it's interesting, like with the social media thing and you know, probably the naturopath part of your life too. It's like Chiron and Taurus people will tend to um there's this cyclical recurring crisis about values. And so typically the way I see it with Kiron and Taurus clients is and that's like roughly 1977 to 85 or 86, I want to say. They they will typically find a group, you know, or um an occupation or a partner or you know, a church or whatever, and they're like, oh, I finally found these people that share my values, you know, and it's like this now life is gonna be great because values are super important to you, right? And then usually either because they're just faking it, trying to get into your energy, you know, hook into your energy, um, or because you're wearing rose-colored glasses and not seeing what's really there, and you know, as child children of narcissists, that's can be very easy for us to do, especially early in life. Or you just keep growing because you you have no choice, right? Uh you know, the life that you chose for this lifetime, it's like you're gonna keep evolving. You know, it's evolve or die. Um Yeah. And so then you're always outgrowing these people. And their values may still be the same as when you initially met, but your values are getting more refined and and higher vibrational. Um with the bucket pattern, it's like the the astro mythology of that is that all of the other planets in the chart kind of want to come out through the um like Kyron's like the spigot. So you're collecting all this energy in the in the other half of the chart, and then it all kind of wants to come out through the um so the weird kind of uh the weird kind of jujitsu, metaphysical jujitsu here is the more that you focus on I'm just doing what I'm called to in my heart, and I'm putting it out there in a way that you know I know most people aren't gonna understand or accept or be able to handle. But I'm gonna be as clear and as ruthless as possible in extending the invitation for people to go on this journey with me and heal their lives. Because in my heart of hearts, I know that's what I came here to do, and I know that I'm qualified to do it. You know, and whatever the ego says, whatever the mind, you know, whatever vestiges of the social conditioning say, you know, you have to deal with that stuff, right? But it's like you know what those are. You know what those programs are. And you know, it may something may hit you and overwhelm you for a little bit, but you're gonna work through it, you're gonna get back on course. So deep down, you know that what you're doing is the most powerful, beautiful, positive thing you can do in the world. And I feel like the um you you're gonna just keep, you know, it's probably gonna be slower than you want, but you're gonna keep developing your body of work, you're gonna keep developing your client, you know, body of clients. They're gonna start sharing with other people. And so the more ruthless and focused you are as far as being on just the I can I feel like I've used like narrow and focused a lot, which I don't usually do in sessions, but I think that there's something maybe that you need to hear with that. Um that's part of the owning it.

Michelle Dowker: 1:09:22

Yeah.

DK Brainard: 1:09:23

But you know, that's gonna, that's gonna and and the positive side of the of Pluto, again, is basically unlimited wealth, you know, or unlimited resources. And I feel like, you know, it might be helpful to just look at this as like, hey, I'm like two years into this journey of actually, you know, really knowing who I am and really getting it and really putting it to work, you know, and and being open to growing into this power and doing this work that I've been called to. So I feel like that could be really helpful to kind of have this dividing line of like anything that, you know, anything like trauma that I have about having enough money or or people how people resonate to my message that's before, you know, a couple years ago or so. Like, I'm kind of throwing that out the window because it's not really applicable to this next chapter of my life.

Michelle Dowker: 1:10:19

I like that.

DK Brainard: 1:10:20

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's I think it's honest too, you know.

Michelle Dowker: 1:10:58

Um, then somebody else is going for you.

DK Brainard: 1:11:03

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'm seeing another thing with and and this goes along with like owning owning who you are and like owning the choice to to be born with this chart and carry these patterns, right? Is that you wherever you are, you know, so you by being in northern Quebec with all these fires going, right? You have the ability to focus your energy. And you know, and so I I this is um I'm just I'm actually verbalizing this as I'm seeing it. So um, you know, take it for what it's worth and maybe translate it into something that makes more sense. But it's like when you tune into stuff that's going on in the world that's you know in any way connected to that negative Pluto stuff, right? And you you can actually focus, like run a channel to that wildfire energy, for example. And be like, hey, you know, you can like you gotta stay in this area. I I mean I don't know if this is exactly how it works, but you are um anchoring these frequencies of irreversible change and metamorphosis and that really I would say have the end goal of bringing about heaven on earth. You know, by be by clearing it's like if if everybody's trauma was cleared, it'd be a whole different story, right? If people stopped passing down, you know, this this inherited shame and fear to every next generation, and you know, then it would we could quickly just turn the world into a paradise. And so I think recognizing, like honoring the what you do with the nature spirits just by being alive and being who you are, and what you do with you know, the um because there is this process of metamorphosis that's gonna be going like spreading out like ripples from wherever you are. You know, and so I I don't know how to really put this into words other than that I definitely resonated with with it myself, in the sense that a lot of what I'm doing nobody's ever gonna know. Because I don't write about it, you know. I used to try to write about it and share it with people on people. Like it was like, yeah, good luck with that. Um, some of it. But it's like just the love that I'm putting into the world and the way I interact with kids in the neighborhood, the way I interact with my dogs, the way I interact with the birds that live in the trees here, you know, the the love that I that I have for the creeks and the you know the flowers and stuff. And it's like all of the work that you've been doing on your inherited patterns and on your family system stuff, that is actually like healing the roots of the trees and the plants, you know, deep underground. And then things can grow up more vibrantly, right? So you deserve to be taken care of because of that work as well. And I feel like that's part of the ownership thing.

Michelle Dowker: 1:14:26

I love it.

DK Brainard: 1:14:27

Man, I'm so glad. I honor you for for uh taking on this shirt, man. That's you're a badass.

Speaker 3: 1:14:41

I love it. Yeah.

Michelle Dowker: 1:14:49

And there you have it. That was my first of several sessions that I had with DK Bernard. This one was three years ago. And if you picked up from the recording, this was a couple of years after I had my second spiritual awakening, which was after my mom passed away, and I ended up in a health crisis that completely turned around my entire direction with my career, with my life, which, by the way, that time in my life I've since discovered was during my Pluto Square Pluto transit. Anybody who's going through Pluto Square Pluto, if something is not aligned in their life, Pluto is going to uproot it so that you can transform it and redirect yourself onto the right path. And for me, with Pluto so strong in my chart as you have just heard, Pluto Square Pluto really got in there and forced me to take the path that I'm supposed to be on that I had been ignoring. I will talk in another podcast episode about Pluto Square Pluto because this is so important, not only for me, for all of us when we go through this time in our lives. When I continued to work with DK, we talked about some charts of other people in my life, particularly my mother, because she also had an alien pattern. Her son was also beside Pluto, just like mine, and her moon was square Pluto, which also makes it a very distinct pattern called a Hades moon. Any moon sign that is in a hard placement with Pluto, like mine, that was in exact same degree as Pluto, hers, which was square Pluto, or opposite, or somebody with a Scorpio moon, are all considered to have a Hades moon. I talk a little bit more about this in the podcast episode that I recorded earlier this year on the energy of Pluto. I'll link that in the show notes if you want to go take a listen, as well as the podcast episode that I recorded earlier this year on alien constructs from my personal point of view, and everything that I had integrated over the years since I had this session with DK Bernard. As you can see, in that point of my life, I had already come to realize just how deep my work really was. And he helped to put more language towards it and confirm what I had already been instinctively knowing, and also to hammer home to me how important it is for me to lead with that and own that. And that is what I have done over these past few years since I've had that session. And I can see how transformative it is, how important it is, and it is part of the work that I do with my clients now, because I work with clients who have outer planet placements like alien constructs. DK had confirmed to me in a later session that because of these significant Pluto placements on both my sun and my moon, that sets me up with my design to actually be a guide for other alien construct people to help them own their own design and own the power that comes with those designs because we are here to do something significant with them. As DK had explained during this session with me. Over these years, since I had that session, I have been paying attention to my clients' charts and I've been paying attention to who is most aligned and resonant to my specific type of work because it is very specific and very deep. And therefore it means that it's not for everybody. And I've learnt the importance of discerning who specifically it's for because that's what creates the best results in terms of my own enjoyment, their enjoyment, and the results that they get. And I'll be talking in a future podcast episode about the concept of resonance as it relates to discerning who it is that you are specifically built for, so that the two of you do resonate because it makes all the difference in the world in terms of your enjoyment, their enjoyment, their transformative results, as well as their ability to actually magnetize to you, to be able to see you and for you to become a beacon for them to find you. And it's a concept that goes counter to what mainstream talks about when it comes to marketing, messaging, running a business, especially if you're running a practice as a clinician, as a coach, as a consultant. So expect that episode to be dropping in the near future. And part of understanding that is also understanding more and more how you're designed, what your gifts really are, how to use them in your work, and for what purpose. And if you want to learn more about that in terms of your own chart, I do have a free vantage alignment kit called Chart Your Power. In this kit, I talk about the four most common patterns that I have been seeing over and over and over in my client population, in the ones that are the most aligned to my design. And what I've come to recognize is that these four patterns that I keep seeing repeating in my clients' charts are not considered common in the general population, which makes sense because my ideal clients don't tend to be the people that are considered mainstream. They're the ones who have always thought differently, felt differently, see things differently than others. They tend to be the ones in the 20% highly sensitive group. They tend to be ones who might score as I and F J, which are 1% of the population. So it makes sense that their charts and the configurations in them are not what you commonly see in the general population. And what I have found over and over again is once they understand these particular patterns that are not common but that tend to show up in their charts, once they learn about them, once they better understand them to an even deeper level, it makes everything make sense. Just like this session with DK Bernard helped me put some more puzzle pieces about my own purpose together, my own abilities and my own powers. Understanding these patterns in your chart if you are built this way helps you understand more about your purpose, your powers, your gifts, how you're meant to use them for whom, and what that means about you as a leader, an innovator, and someone who is here to create ripple effects of change that impact all of us. Because if you're built this way, you know deep down that this is what you're meant to be doing, even if you don't know exactly how quite yet. And you also know that you're always learning and growing and evolving. Just like DK mentioned, that evolve or die is an inner sensation within you that maybe you never had words for. However, it's always been there. So if you want to learn more about these four common patterns I see in my own client charts over and over again, over and above these alien patterns that DK was telling me about, then you want to grab the Chart Your Power Vantage Alignment kit. There's no charge. You can go to the show notes and find the link there to go grab that. And for a lot of people, they tell me that it's been so helpful for them to better understand themselves personally, as a leader, as a healer, and what they're here to be doing. And of course, that's just the first step of a deeper journey that I guide my clients through. And as you can tell from this session with DK, my work is deep, it's transformative. When you are resonant with me, when your design aligns with mine, magic really truly does happen. Especially if you know that going deep and understanding the roots and transforming from that level is the thing that's going to enable you to step into your fullest potential because you know that you're meant to step into that with your work, with your purpose, in service to the greater good. And you've been looking for somebody who does have that ability to go deep and can facilitate transformation beyond what any tool alone can do. This is where my magic lies. And if that feels like something that you're looking for, please reach out. We'll have a chat to see if we are resonant and aligned because I only want to work with people who are, who feel it on their side, and I feel it on my side because that is truly when the magic really does happen. As I'm recording this in October of 2025, I'm in the midst of reorganizing my one-on-one services. You will see in the show notes what services are publicly available, and know that there are deeper services that may not be publicly shown in the show notes. And this is where reaching out either through application, sending me a DM, or sending me an email, and I will share with you what those deeper longer-term services look like, and know that I will only offer them to you if I feel that it's an aligned fit on my side, and I want you to ensure that you feel like it's an aligned fit on your side. There's never any pressure because that does not create trust. So I hope that you enjoyed listening to this session. There was a lot of details that he shared. I'm sure you likely learned a lot more about me. And if you have any alien patterns in your chart, I hope that this was helpful for you to better understand yourself, your purpose, your gifts, and how to use them. As always, thank you for listening. And I look forward to talking to you again in the next episode.