The Indigo Psalms: Faith, Mental Health & Hope with Indigo Rogers

Sunburnt Souls is a Christian Mental Health Podcast. This week we meet 18 year old Indigo Rogers. She has already published her first book The Indigo Psalms: Volume One—a raw and beautiful collection of personal psalms written since she was 14. In this episode, Dave Quak sits down with Indigo to talk about faith, mental health, worship, and what it means to bring your whole self before God.

We explore:

• How writing psalms became Indigo’s way of processing emotions and worshipping God
• Why lament and honesty matter just as much as joy in the Christian life
• What her generation is facing with anxiety, depression, and the search for hope
• How she sees teaching, worship, and writing as ways to live out her calling
• The transforming presence of God in everyday struggles, from loneliness to long-term frustrations

Whether you’re a young person navigating faith, a parent wanting insight into Gen Z spirituality, or someone carrying mental health battles of your own, Indigo’s story and words will encourage you.

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Transcript

Welcome to Sunburnt Souls. It's Dave Quak again, and I'm your host. And on this show, we speak about life and faith and our mental well-being. And today, I'm excited because this week I got to interview Indigo Rogers. And India is an awesome young lady who's just written a book called The Indigo Psalms Volume one, which is a collection of her own Psalms that she's been writing since she was 14 years old and is now a published book that I read this week and got a lot out of.

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Dave Quak 
Always encouraged her in this maturity and love for Jesus as a young woman. But don't take my word for it. Training for the next half an hour and see what God can do through a young woman of faith and what he might want to do for you too. So let's meet Andy, and thanks for tuning in to Sunburned Souls.

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Dave Quak 
So what else are you doing? So you're 18. You finished school?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. I'm not doing grade 12. But this. At the end of this month, I'm starting a bridging course in uni.

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Dave Quak 
So of course. What are you studying?

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Indigo Rogers
I'm going to do, primary education.

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Dave Quak 
I, will be at Google. Do you actually love the kids?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah, well, I've done like I do RA and I do, crash for church, and I'm going to be a youth leader soon. I do babysitting my neighbors next door. So. Yeah, that's why I kind of started thinking about doing teaching, because I realized I actually love looking at working with these little kids. That's cool. Especially in r I actually being in the classroom.

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Dave Quak 
Where do you do that?

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Indigo Rogers
Just at Illinois Primary. It's really primary school, so I teach there. Yeah. Every Thursday.

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Dave Quak 
That'd be good for you. Like, you know, growing and teaching gifts and articulating the gospel because, yeah, sometimes we overcomplicate the gospel. Yeah. You know, when you're talking to your five kids, you can't. Right?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. It's good. And you learn to dumb it down a bit.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah. But so obviously, because you try and you're like, you know, helping out at Christ, what is great is that, like I said.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah, pretty much I.

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Dave Quak 
Haven't heard that word in so.

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Indigo Rogers
Long. So it's still a weird.

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Dave Quak 
Isn't that crazy?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Well, that's what we call it at my church.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah. Where do you go to church?

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Indigo Rogers
Cross and Crown. Oh. So. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
Now that's cool. So. So you feel a bit cold to that teaching the gospel, which is awesome. Yeah. How did you come to meet Jesus?

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Indigo Rogers
Well, my family has been Christian for my whole life. Yeah. So. Yeah, I've always known Jesus. Always. Yeah. Always loved him. Like, there's videos of me as a little kid, like singing Christian gospel songs and stuff. Nice. Like. Yeah, it's always been a huge part of my life. And that's mainly due to it being a huge part of my parents lives as well.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. But yeah, like, there's been ups and downs and stuff, but yeah, overall that has those mistakes and like down bits they have. Yeah. I can confidently say that they draw me closer to Jesus and having my own faith instead of it just being my parents.

00:02:49:20 - 00:03:01:24
Dave Quak 
So yeah, because I've been reading a book, you know, it's called Indigo Psalms, which I think is called the Indigo Psalms, volume one. How does it, kind of anticipate there'll be volume two coming out?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah, I'm working on it at the one. Yeah, yeah.

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Dave Quak 
So you got a book of Psalms that you've been writing since you were 14, right? Yeah. So obviously, you know, you said you grew up in the faith of the household, but then there had to be some of the richness that comes out of these Psalms, especially for someone who's 18, was spinning me out because I see that you have walked with Jesus, not just known about him, not just heard about him like you know him.

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Dave Quak 
Know him. Yeah. When did that transform from being the faith of the household to the faith of Indigo?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Well, it's definitely been a progress, but in progress, like, it's always developing. There's always more to know about Jesus and more to find out. More to love about God. But yeah, I would say it probably started becoming like, really my own when I in early high school, I didn't have many friends, so I was alone a lot.

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Indigo Rogers
So that gave me a lot of time to, I know, find out who I am. But learning that Jesus is actually there, like God is actually there. So I'm not actually like. And it yeah, gave me a lot of time to get into the Bible for myself because I just had so much free time, like in breaks and stuff.

00:04:21:23 - 00:04:24:18
Indigo Rogers
So yeah, that was a up.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah. Because you went in one of the Psalms, you talk about feeling like David out in the wilderness. Is that what you're talking about now?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Yeah, a bit like that. Yeah. I spent a lot of years alone, so.

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Dave Quak 
It's weird because you're an awesome person.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. I don't know what happened. Like, I don't know.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, so with the writing psalms, did that start as, like, like a personal, cathartic process or was it an act of worship? How did that.

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Indigo Rogers
Happen? Yeah, it was definitely personal. Just trying to. And I get my thoughts out, figure out how to deal with these emotions and what I'm going through. But turning it like, yeah, figuring out how to turn it over to Jesus, turn to God and yeah, how to process things correctly, I suppose. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
So I've noticed in the, in your book you've got like psalms of different genres, you know, there's praise ones and there's Psalms of lament. I want to read my one of the ones I like the most, and it was every year. So if you get the book, it's on page 34, but it says, I ask God to reach out to to us in love when depression and sorrow seem too deep to bear, when anger feels like a ticking bomb or a parasite eating away at us, when guilt, shame and the feeling of failure for the last time seems to have drip to drown us in its overwhelming waters.

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Dave Quak 
And it goes on for another 4 or 5 stanzas. But I like the start of that. Yeah, because I, as someone who walks with a bit of mental illness, I'm not really drawn to the psalms that are that happy. And I know that sounds a bit, and maybe it's not my best practice to not read those Psalms enough.

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Dave Quak 
So I do love Psalm 88, and I do love the Psalms that are a little bit more kind of like heavy, but they're the ones that resonate with me.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. They're like realistic. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
So tell me about every tear. Like, why did you write this epic, epic song?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Well, of course it was. Mainly because I was feeling that kind of overwhelm of emotions, like just anger and despair and confusion. And yeah, I know that a lot of people, like, I can see that in the world around me. Like, I know that that's a huge part of our world. So, yeah, I wrote a because, yeah, I was feeling that and I realized that God is the only answer to that.

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Indigo Rogers
He is the only thing that actually changes that or has an effect on that. Like he can try logic the emotions away, but like the feelings are still there. Yeah. And for me, only focusing on God actually helped change that feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
It's interesting because you seem bright and bubbly, but also have that despair that all of us carry. Yeah. Has that been a long thing for you or has that been more recent?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. I feel like I've always been kind of this bright, bubbly person, especially like I've always been the kind of person to hide that stuff because I don't want to burden other people with. Yeah. My issues. Yeah. But yeah, especially I, I feel like now I've grown a lot from that kind of place of darkness, I suppose.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Learning, learning that those feelings aren't everything. Those emotions, they don't make us who we are.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah.

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Indigo Rogers
And, yeah, the only temporary. They will pass. They will fade. So I can still continue to have joy. Even when I'm feeling that kind of thing. Yeah. That joy only comes from God. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
I really appreciate you speaking into that because your generation, like, so you're 18 when I say your generation. I hate it when people say your generation. Yeah. Awesome. But, like, you know, your age and then the five years younger, which are probably the people you'll also be influencing with this book. Yeah. Need to see a woman of faith who understands the goodness of God and can reconcile the hardship of this world.

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Dave Quak 
Are you noticing an increase in discussions around darkness and heaviness and stuff with your cohort and your friends and stuff?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. As you said, like my generation. Yeah. Yeah. Like I started up and apparently, like, were the most depressed and anxious generation so far, I suppose. Yeah. And so one of the main reasons why I wanted, I felt like I should make my psalms, not just a personal thing, but make it into a book.

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Indigo Rogers
Is because, yeah, I know that other people are feeling that, especially, yeah, my age. And hopefully my book can help people through that and help people find God in that. Yeah. And yeah, hopefully they can find the joy and peace and hope that only comes from God. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
Do you have any of the Psalms that you've written that aren't for everyone, that are just between you and God, like a stash where you like, hang on, this is to roll or this is this is not yet. Yeah. For no indigo Psalms volume two. It's like it's it's for me for a bit. Does that happen?

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Indigo Rogers
Not really. I mean, there are some really personal ones and like, there are ones about things that have happened with other people and like, of course I leave people out. Yeah. Yeah. So I try to make them as anonymous kind of as possible. But yeah, those are really roll ons. I'm like, oh, this is a bit personal, but hey, if it can help someone else going through the same kind of thing, like, that's the whole goal of the book.

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Dave Quak 
It really is. Yeah. And it needs to be, because I think people need permission to be able to enter God's presence. Yeah. In brokenness. Yeah. And not feel like we've failed him.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. That's kind of the point.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah. You have to come to that place. Like, did you ever, in your earlier years of faith, feel like, okay, I can't say that to God. He'll be disappointed.

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Indigo Rogers
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And a lot of my book deals with that kind of thing. Like, I have to remind myself I'm not too far from God. Jesus already died for me. Yeah. God already sees all of our mess. All of our worst thoughts. Yeah, all of the worst things that we've ever done. He already sees all that, whether we allow him to or not.

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Indigo Rogers
He already knows he's God. Yeah. But yeah, there's something like. It's different, but he already knows. But there's also letting him know. Like just being vulnerable with God.

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Dave Quak 
Yes. Yeah. That's so wise because a lot of people are like well why do I pray if God already knows what I'm going to say, we'll pray. It's not only about God, it's also about obsess about us going through the process. And yeah, that's cool. Okay. So you started where you were like, I don't know if I can approach that.

00:11:33:24 - 00:11:46:04
Dave Quak 
A love that you got that revelation. Do you feel like that's a bit of a stumbling block for people to start actually pouring out real psalms of heaviness and brokenness is that they just have a misunderstanding of God's love?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. They think, oh, this is too crazy for God to handle. No, I assure you, it's not. Yes.

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Dave Quak 
Yeah, yeah. No. You say you light up when you talk about a crazy situation, but God handled it. Yeah. So your lived experience now is that God actually wants to be involved in all this.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Yeah he does. It's. Yeah I've seen that in my life personally. It's it really sparks a joy for me knowing that, Yeah. God, he's the one who brings me out of this. He's the one who brings me so much joy and so much hope, even in those dark times. And like, there's still dark times. It's still times my mind is a mess.

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Indigo Rogers
And yeah, like, oh my gosh, God, I am overwhelmed. But I know you can do this. Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
So yeah. Hey, isn't one of the psalms called overwhelmed?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
From what I think it is, I remember reading it. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it is overwhelming.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

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Dave Quak 
But I think that's cool. And I love your call like correlations to the existing Psalms. You know, you can see they framed your thinking. Yeah. When what I read when I read your Psalms is that like you're not afraid of God's presence. Good, bad, hard, broken. He's the same.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Yeah he is.

00:13:03:20 - 00:13:06:16
Dave Quak 
Yeah, yeah. Speaking of that, because I don't think we all get that.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. That's one of the beautiful things about God I love so much.

00:13:11:16 - 00:13:13:23
Dave Quak 
I love God, he's good, isn't he?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Just the fact that no matter how crazy. Because my mind, it's chaotic, it's all over the place in my head, I repeat myself. It's it's all over the place. But, yeah, knowing that no matter how my feelings change, they always changing our feelings, our perspectives, the things that happen to us constantly changing the fact that through that, I know that God is the same.

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Indigo Rogers
And like in reading the Bible, you can see how God he doesn't change. He always stays the same. And Jesus is a perfect representation of God. Like we can know what God is like through looking at Jesus. Yeah. And yeah.

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Dave Quak 
What do you do to look at Jesus through the day? Like, what's your sort of, like, rhythms of connection with God?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. There's a lot of singing involved.

00:14:08:14 - 00:14:10:06
Dave Quak 
Oh, you sing all around my house?

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Yeah. Praying. I've. Yeah, I try every night to read the Bible. And at the moment I've, I've been like, okay, I'm going to read the whole Bible. So yeah, currently going through the Old Testament, which is really interesting because like a lot of the time, God is misunderstood through the Old Testament, like, oh my gosh, this is angry God.

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Indigo Rogers
He kills people kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I know God doesn't change. So I'm just, weighing that up with. So this is the God of the Old Testament per se. And this is Jesus who is the perfect image of God, perfect representation of the father. Yeah. So I've been looking at that, weighing that up also just talking to God through the day.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. He's like he's always there. It's not just like, okay, when I sit and close my eyes and follow my hands, that's when God's there, not he's there with you all the day.

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Dave Quak 
So.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

00:15:10:22 - 00:15:34:22
Dave Quak 
I love that. Andy. I'm wondering, so say you were like, hey, I'm going to sound like such a wimp, man. I've had a toothache for, like, five weeks. Yeah, and it keeps getting worked on and, you know, like. And now it still hurts. And then. Yes, yesterday I was eating cheezels and it fell out, so just that off.

00:15:34:24 - 00:15:55:08
Dave Quak 
Right. So it's not like I'm not getting, you know, my kids aren't getting murdered like some people I'm not. Yeah. Overtly persecuted. But it's the long burn frustration of the Western world. Yeah I reckon that's hard to speak into considering, you know, you read the Psalms and it's, it's, you know, it's Israel, it's an eastern culture. There's different nuances and stuff.

00:15:55:09 - 00:16:09:04
Dave Quak 
Yeah. How would you write a psalm into the frustrations of this world, whether it be, you know, like a toothache for six. Yeah. Weeks where someone in Palestine or something would be like, dude, just like, go to work every day.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

00:16:10:08 - 00:16:26:23
Dave Quak 
You know, but like, I suppose I'm just saying, like, sufferings, not a competition where. Yeah, well, I lost one person and you lost two. You must be suffering worse. It doesn't work like that. How do you frame suffering in our culture? In that sense?

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Indigo Rogers
I've had to think, like, struggle with that quite a bit because I'm like, look, I have like a perfect family. Like my life is great. But then there are still those dark times and it's like, oh, yeah, well, this person's going through y more like their family sucks. Yeah, yeah. They've had people die. Like they've struggled through it all.

00:16:49:05 - 00:16:56:10
Indigo Rogers
But yeah, just realizing God doesn't have a standard of like, I everything. Nothing's too big or too small for God.

00:16:56:10 - 00:16:57:01
Dave Quak 
Yeah.

00:16:57:03 - 00:17:04:18
Indigo Rogers
Like he still cares about everything. Like, if it matters to you, it's going to matter to God as well. Yeah, because he cares about you.

00:17:04:23 - 00:17:12:01
Dave Quak 
He really does. So if you were framing that sort of Psalm, would you start by laying out the lament, God, I'm frustrated.

00:17:12:03 - 00:17:12:19
Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

00:17:12:20 - 00:17:17:19
Dave Quak 
This world's frustrating. The body is a tent and it's getting holes in it. I'm frustrated.

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Indigo Rogers
Yeah. No. Yeah. I think a lot of my psalms start like that. Like God, I'm overwhelmed. I can't do this anymore. This sucks. Please deal with it. Yeah.

00:17:28:11 - 00:17:47:18
Dave Quak 
Yeah. So okay, so the first sort of like, I don't know, the start of the rhythm is the declaration of this sucks. This sucks. Yes. Yeah. And then what would be in the middle is that like of because I'm noticing a lot of the Psalms, there's a declaration and then the but you're still pretty good. God yeah. Is that how you always work as well?

00:17:47:20 - 00:18:09:11
Indigo Rogers
Yeah, yeah. That's how a lot of my Psalms work. Like, yeah, this sucks. And then I reframe my mind like, Lord, even though this sucks, I know you are still there. I know you are still good. I know you can work through this. I know you can even use this feeling, this pain to whether it be help other people will grow me like I know.

00:18:09:11 - 00:18:16:16
Indigo Rogers
God, you're still good. Yeah, that has to be what I come back to every time. Otherwise I just get overwhelmed and I'm like, I can't do this anymore.

00:18:16:18 - 00:18:23:05
Dave Quak 
Yeah, yeah. So that's sort of the next part. And then after that is I've done this, you do a little bit, but I'm still going to go hard. Yeah. Like I'm still good.

00:18:23:05 - 00:18:24:08
Indigo Rogers
I keep going in the door.

00:18:24:20 - 00:18:26:04
Dave Quak 
Yeah I'm into this.

00:18:26:04 - 00:18:37:15
Indigo Rogers
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's a lot of that reframing the mind. Yeah. Reframing how I, how my perspective on the situation. Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:37:17 - 00:18:55:00
Dave Quak 
Would you ever consider writing like a psalm creation resource for people so they can not just only read your indigo psalms which are awesome but also like learn how to like okay, well like a journal, a compliment or something.

00:18:55:00 - 00:19:16:07
Indigo Rogers
Yeah. I haven't thought about that before. I would say probably not. Because, like, I personally, I try not to force them. Yeah. Like I'm like, I don't want this to be me. Just speaking. I want I want God to use this. I want God to God to be the co author, you know, like, yeah, I want it to help people.

00:19:16:12 - 00:19:23:11
Dave Quak 
Yeah. That's cool. So you don't want to be forcing it. But what do you want to happen for someone who reads this book?

00:19:23:13 - 00:19:42:05
Indigo Rogers
I want it to point to God when they're going through that kind of thing, because that's what it's helped me do is, yeah, even when I'm feeling that to go back to God, that's what I want all my Psalms to be like, turn back to God. Yeah, go back to God. His only way to have joy is the only way to have peace.

00:19:42:06 - 00:19:44:15
Indigo Rogers
He's the only way to have hope. So yeah.

00:19:44:16 - 00:19:53:04
Dave Quak 
So good. So with the generation, you know, you just mentioned it's the most anxious and depressed generation. What what's causing that?

00:19:53:06 - 00:20:23:17
Indigo Rogers
Yeah. Well I think a huge part of that is because our society has got such a huge focus on self at the moment. Like you need this, you want this self-improvement, self-help, self-care, like self-love especially. Yeah. All that focus on self, really. It's, it's void. It's pointless. Like we're made to worship God. Were made to have that focus on God.

00:20:23:19 - 00:20:28:14
Indigo Rogers
And I like from my own personal experience, I know that that is what brings true joy.

00:20:28:15 - 00:20:29:04
Dave Quak 
Yeah.

00:20:29:06 - 00:20:29:18
Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

00:20:29:20 - 00:20:46:14
Dave Quak 
So so then how would you lead someone who's finding joy in, you know, a new phone, an iPhone 17, everything else to see that like, you know, that actually is more plus in that like it's just a phone five years from now, it'll be the old phone. Two years from now, it'll be the old phone.

00:20:46:16 - 00:21:10:23
Indigo Rogers
Yeah. I think it's the fact that I or you can get this new thing. You can get this new found new car, new unknown fancy beauty bag. You can have all that, but then, like, it doesn't actually satisfy that long term. You're going to want the next new thing, the next new thing, the next new thing. You need something more to satisfy that need for unknown purpose.

00:21:10:23 - 00:21:15:00
Indigo Rogers
Something new. Something. Yeah. Some worth, some value.

00:21:15:03 - 00:21:27:22
Dave Quak 
Yeah, yeah. And it's amazing your relationship with Jesus clearly satisfies you in that. Yeah, yeah. But you are, you be. I think you remind me of my wife a bit where you would be happy with Jesus and a cup of tea and.

00:21:27:24 - 00:21:28:12
Indigo Rogers
Yeah, but.

00:21:28:13 - 00:21:34:04
Dave Quak 
That's enough for a long time. Just something to gentle on and that'll do. Yeah, yeah, it's a good way to live. Satisfied? Hey.

00:21:34:05 - 00:21:34:23
Indigo Rogers
Yeah.

00:21:35:00 - 00:21:53:16
Dave Quak 
That's really cool. In the. I can't believe it's already time, but we're starting to run towards the end of the podcast. Oh, by the way, at the start, I never qualified indie. When Josiah first introduced you, I thought it was Indiana. You're an Indigo. Yeah, other than many indie goes around, at many indie guys. Yeah.

00:21:53:17 - 00:22:00:17
Indigo Rogers
Not really. I think I've met, like, maybe two maybe. Yeah. So not many. Yeah.

00:22:00:19 - 00:22:06:23
Dave Quak 
Well, as we start to wonder. And do you have any, like, last pearls of wisdom that you would love to drop on us?

00:22:07:00 - 00:22:30:20
Indigo Rogers
At the moment? I've been thinking a lot about hope since, Yeah. One of my friends who isn't a Christian, she bought my book and I was like, well, okay, yeah, first non-Christian to actually buy my book. This is going to be interesting. Yes, she loved it. Yeah. Surprise me. And one of her favorite psalms was one called Hope.

00:22:30:22 - 00:22:56:04
Indigo Rogers
And I was like, I wonder what she's actually thinking about it, because that hope, like, I know that that hope only comes from Jesus. That's the only true, lasting hope that actually makes good on its hope. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, I wonder what she thinks that's about. But yeah, just that Hope in Jesus is the only hope that lasts.

00:22:56:19 - 00:23:05:11
Indigo Rogers
And because of that hope, we can have joy even in the darkness. Even when our minds a bit chaotic and things aren't going too well. Yeah.

00:23:05:13 - 00:23:23:23
Dave Quak 
So true. Indeed. It's been a pleasure hanging out with you. Encourage my, I'll say the word. I hate to say, but my generation sometimes gets jaded thinking there's no one good in the next generation. Yeah, there is good people. Yeah, there's still young people raising up to, you know, lead the charge of the gospel and remain faithful.

00:23:23:23 - 00:23:30:10
Dave Quak 
And so it's been such an honor having you on the show. So thank you. If anyone wants to buy your book, how do they do it?

00:23:31:02 - 00:23:42:12
Indigo Rogers
Well, they can either buy it directly from me or from Amazon or like. Yeah, it's in a whole lot of online bookstores and stuff. Yeah. Cool. So yeah, it's a lot of places.

00:23:42:12 - 00:24:04:00
Dave Quak 
I'll make sure to put the links in the podcast notes so people can find those. I a Rogers I like how Moses used the, the like abbreviation. Yeah. Initials. What's the stand for Amalia. Yeah. Yeah. Indigo. Amalia Rodgers. You know, l jealous. I am being a David Trevor. Quiet.

00:24:04:02 - 00:24:09:06
Dave Quak 
We have horrible names in our family. You guys have awesome one. So you've got a Josiah. What's his middle name?

00:24:09:08 - 00:24:10:00
Indigo Rogers
Asher.

00:24:10:02 - 00:24:14:14
Dave Quak 
That's a great Josiah. Yeah. Rogers. Yeah. Your parents knew how to pick names.

00:24:15:00 - 00:24:17:10
Indigo Rogers
My mom could,

00:24:17:12 - 00:24:20:12
Dave Quak 
Indie. Would you honor us and pray for us as we finish for the day?

00:24:20:14 - 00:24:48:10
Indigo Rogers
Of course. Well, God, I thank you for today. I thank you for this. Privilege and of opportunity to talk on this podcast and reach more people. But I pray that, my book would go out to more people and that, they would see that the hope and joy that comes from being with you and following you, walking with you, and that they can find comfort in those dark times, that they can find you.

00:24:48:12 - 00:25:03:09
Indigo Rogers
And I pray, blessing over Dave and his family. And over this podcast, I pray that it would continue to reach more people and inspire more people, and that the people listening would have a good day. In the name of Jesus, Amen.

00:25:03:15 - 00:25:18:01
Dave Quak 
Amen. Thanks again for tuning into some souls. Follow the links in the show notes to get in this book. If you could tell your friends about this podcast, that would mean a lot to me otherwise. Have a great week and thank you so much for tuning in to Sunday and Souls.