Please Don’t Build A Tent, Peter

What if your strongest flaws are the very channels God uses to shape your calling? We sit down to explore the life of Simon Peter, a disciple who rushes first, speaks loudest, and still becomes a steady pillar for the early church. From campfire denial to Spirit-charged preaching, Peter’s story gives us a front-row seat to how grace matures personality into purpose.

We start with the messy human side: impulse that opens doors, words that arrive before wisdom, and courage that flickers when pressure hits. Then we move to the turning point—restoration by the risen Jesus and the seismic difference the Holy Spirit makes at Pentecost. Peter doesn’t become a different person; he becomes the same person, anchored. That clarity lets him tell hard truths with a tender heart, even to the crowd that once shouted for crucifixion.

This conversation also names the parts we usually skip. Peter later slips back into fear and favoritism until Paul calls him out. Instead of tarnishing his legacy, that moment teaches why leaders need accountability and why formation is ongoing. We weave in 1 Peter 4 to reframe suffering: fiery trials aren’t proof you’re off track; they’re often the forge of real joy. Along the way we unpack the transfiguration, the discipline of listening before acting, and the beauty of a church built on diverse temperaments—bold Peters, reflective Johns, and detail-strong Matthews all pulling in the same direction.

If you need fresh courage to own your mistakes, receive forgiveness, and take the next faithful step, this one’s for you. Hit play, lean into the story, and let hope rise where fear used to sit. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review to help more people find these conversations.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Studio Chaos And Series Overview
• 1:06 Why Peter Stands Out
• 4:20 Impulse, Opportunity, And Character
• 8:55 Denial, Grief, And Restoration
• 11:30 Pentecost And Spirit-Empowered Boldness
• 14:10 Strengths, Weaknesses, And Accountability
• 17:20 Trials, Perseverance, And 1 Peter 4
• 20:10 Mountaintop Moments And Learning To Listen
• 23:50 Diverse Disciples And Unified Mission
• 27:20 Loving Difficult Personalities With Humility

Transcript

Dave Quak: 0:00

Well, welcome to Sunburn Souls. I'm Dave Quack, and I'm here with Jess Quack, and unfortunately, Watson Quack is in the room as well. We've got a dog that's a staffy, and he should be really strong, but whenever the wind blows, he thinks there's a monster out there trying to get him, and he crawls up his own bottom to try to get away from it. And so right now he is in our podcast studio, and what I've realized with most podcast uh producers is that everything kind of looks unideal in the podcast studio. There's often a pile of rubbish in the corner, or you know, notes hung on the walls, or an anxious dog sitting on the ground because it's audio, you don't know.

Jess Quak: 0:38

Yeah, that's right, yeah.

Dave Quak: 0:39

So I thought I'd just be honest and say the dog who should know better is in there if he starts snoring, we'll get rid of him. But Jess, how are you?

Jess Quak: 0:47

Yeah, not bad. How are you?

Dave Quak: 0:48

Yeah, good. What have you been doing today?

Jess Quak: 0:50

Um, we've just had the new church plant um going, which has been a lot of fun. So just doing a lot of stuff around that. Um, writing the newsletter out to people, or the start of year stuff that you get done.

Dave Quak: 1:06

That's good. I've actually had a couple of meetings this morning and the podcast came up, and people are kind of appreciating this series because we're just kind of delving into different Bible characters and how they were led by God and how they grew in their faith and what they did well and what they did wrong. And I don't know, I just feel like it's been a good one. Have you enjoyed it?

Jess Quak: 1:24

Yeah, I've been enjoying doing this with you.

Dave Quak: 1:26

Yeah. Cool, cool. Well, this morning we're gonna look at Simon Peter.

Jess Quak: 1:31

Yeah, we are.

Dave Quak: 1:32

Simon Peter is a good candidate to look at when it came to unusual behaviour.

Jess Quak: 1:37

Yeah, or depending on how your world works, really usual behaviour.

Dave Quak: 1:42

That's true, that's true. And also whether it's before Pentecost or not, kind of changed a lot of how he behaved too.

Jess Quak: 1:47

Absolutely, it makes a significant difference. I can't wait to get to that. But um, how about we chat about Peter as we see him? I like about Peter how we we meet him, and then there's just so much content about what he has to say and how he does things. He seems to be the guy who's always sort of just sticking out in the group. Um, and sometimes that's a great thing, and sometimes that's a like, oh Peter. He actually reminds me, there's a an Australian cricket player who I really think is amazing. It's Marnus.

SPEAKER_00: 2:25

You love Marnus.

Jess Quak: 2:26

Yeah, so um you see so many different interviews, and they will just talk about how Marnus just won't shut up, is one of the things that he's known for. He's just, but one of the greatest things about him for the team as a cricket player is he is all in. They had this little quiz from some of the Australian players about what do you think this player will do after their cricket career is over? How about this person? How about this person? And depending on you know who they were and what they enjoyed, they were different kinds of things. But one of the answers was what would Marness be doing? He's like, Marness is never gonna stop playing cricket. This guy is all in, he loves it, he will not shut up about it, he just talks about it if he's not watching it, if he's not watching it, he's playing it. Yeah, he is all in, and this is kind of what Peter is like as a personality as well. And you know, maybe you know, these days he could have been, you know, the ADHD kid in the classroom or that kind of thing, where he's just he doesn't have so much of that filter that makes him sort of stop back and go, Oh, hang on, let me think about what I'm doing. He's just all in and he will jump out and he'll ask questions and he'll say, Let me have a turn of this, I want to have a go. Um, but it's also he's that doesn't mean that because his personality is like that, that he's not also fragile and prone to anxiety and and all those sort of things that come along with sort of a personality type like this.

Dave Quak: 4:07

I think that's so smart, and I think it's it's like having that aggressive like out there personality doesn't always backfire because he gets to have some opportunities and experiences that everybody else misses out on.

Jess Quak: 4:19

Yeah, absolutely.

Dave Quak: 4:20

You know, like walking on the water and a few other things, like because he was so out there, I mean he still did things that you're like, dude, don't do that. Like imagine if you were running a discipleship school and one of the disciples that you were discipling pulled out a sword and tried to cut someone's head off and got their ear. Like you'd be like, dude, that's a fail. So he was impulsive and outspoken, but he was also used mightily by God.

Jess Quak: 4:43

Yeah, he absolutely was. And and yet, even with that, it's it's interesting because he's chosen as, you know, one of the people that you know the church is then built on, uh, one of the foundational leaders of the apostles after this and into the church. But um just because he is very charismatic and outspoken and has these opportunities, he also needs time for his character to develop too.

SPEAKER_00: 5:13

Yeah.

Jess Quak: 5:14

Um, and it's quite easy for someone like Peter to jump in to opportunities when it comes to faith, and that is absolutely a beautiful thing because it means there's often quick growth in spiritual things, get to be a part of awesome stuff um from the get-go, but there also is a necessity for the character development to then continue alongside that to be able to sustain the um the times when it's not so fun, and it is a bit boring, and you just well you go through the motions, yeah.

Dave Quak: 5:55

Because there's a lot of time in the Bible, like so often we can read the narratives and think, oh, this happened day after day after day, but some of the time there's months in between, and you know, and then after Jesus dying and Peter writing the books of Peter, there's a certain, you know, length of decades in that time as well.

SPEAKER_00: 6:11

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 6:12

And so Leah, like you said, it does I mean some things happen like immediately in the moment, and some things have forged over time.

SPEAKER_00: 6:19

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 6:20

I like how he even has times where like he thinks he's the man, you know, post-Jesus. Yeah. And then Paul and him have a sharp disagreement, and Paul's actually correct. Like this young upstart is coming, and Peter's like, I've been around for all these years, I'm one of the original, you know, disciples, and he gets it wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 6:38

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 6:39

Goes back to Judaism, starts reverting back to old covenant laws, and Paul has to pull him up. So even in his older age or his more mature walk with Jesus, he was still getting it wrong.

Jess Quak: 6:48

Yes, that's right. What I love though is even in that you see this sort of character development of Peter. He is always continuing to be this um this personality style all throughout the different maturity stages that he goes through. But you see just before um Jesus' resurrection, how absolutely devastated Peter is because he's having one of those moments where um his impulse reaction to someone coming up against him and the possibility of being rejected is to deny Jesus. And that is sort of on par with his personality as it has been in this time, despite the fact that he's also very loyal. Like um, he he has a great heart. You see that the whole way through, and Jesus obviously sees his heart, um, and he has the privilege of all these awesome things, but uh Jesus, you know, is is being arrested, and Peter is one of the only ones who's like, I want to follow him and I'm gonna stand close and I'm gonna be there. So his intentions are good, the follow-through just doesn't happen super well, and he denies Jesus three times, and it's devastating for him. Like that is a a moment that would be such a um a pivotal moment that he would look back for the rest of his life and go, in my own strength, that's where I end up. Yeah, and that's why it's uh so beautiful then that when he sees Jesus again, resurrected Jesus, there's this real restoration moment with he and Peter, and like I'm still calling you, and I'm calling you to feed my sheep, I'm still calling you to follow me, I'm still calling you to leadership. You've messed up, but you know what is still mine. You've like, but but you know, wait for the Holy Spirit, he's gonna come, he's gonna be your helper, and then you see this sort of transition, then where Peter becomes a guy who's quite um afraid of rejection, going from that to then he's filled with the Holy Spirit, and then he becomes the guy who stands up in front of a crowd who are potentially very hostile. Like, don't forget, Jesus has been crucified, and it was the crowd who are yelling out, crucify him. Like, this is the crowd. And um, and Peter's standing in front of them and he's filled with the Holy Spirit now, and that makes all the difference.

Dave Quak: 9:34

And that's a big point because it doesn't solve everything being filled with the Holy Spirit, but it reframes everything that you're you go from doing things in your strength to doing things in God's strength. Yeah. You know, and when the Holy Spirit poured out on all the disciples, which was super cool at Pentecost, you know, you do see Peter go from someone like I mean, one of his most recent memories at that point still would have been the denial.

SPEAKER_00: 9:56

Mm-hmm.

Dave Quak: 9:56

You know, it would have been plaguing him. I can imagine as a man, you know, that you get to know as the man of Peter, he didn't let that denial go easily. Even when he was restored, I'm sure it was burning in the back of his head, and then all of a sudden Pentecost happens and he gets a chance to preach, mate, he would have been shooting from the hip, hey?

Jess Quak: 10:14

Yeah, and it was not a a um a soft and gentle kind of a like, hey, if you're trying to figure God out kind of thing. He was standing in front of the crowd that yelled out, crucify him to Jesus, and he's like, You guys are the ones who killed the promised one that you were waiting for. It's you, like it was quite a confrontational message done in love, yes, but it was a firm hard word, and the spirit was at work, and people's eyes were open, and there was this massive turning of people to understand the grace and goodness of God, and they became followers of Jesus too. And so the the difference that the Holy Spirit makes, um, both with our strengths and our weaknesses, is massive, but then it doesn't mean that there's not that walking and working alongside the Holy Spirit too, because as you mentioned, our ways down the track, Peter still once again falls into the same trap that he has before. Yeah, thankfully he has the humility to be restored. But that um, you know, he's in a church and the people of power and influence are starting to compromise who the idea of who it is that can can be a part of God's family and and what they have to do for that. And you know, we know, and Peter himself knew that it is only by the grace of Jesus that we can come and be made right with God, but he had this area of weakness still, despite being filled with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit using him for all of these incredible miracles and signs and wonders and all this stuff. He'd seen the resurrected Jesus, had breakfast with him, like and yet in that space he sort of fell down and started compromising until he had that sort of accountability. So it's really important, I think, to know that A, you need the Holy Spirit, you actually do, to be overcoming some of these weaknesses that can really be devastating in our lives. Um but B, you still need to continue being aware of what those weaknesses are as you walk forward and have that community and accountability around you to be able to support you in your areas of weakness and encourage you or in your areas of strength.

Dave Quak: 12:58

Yeah. I think I I think you're right, and I think because Peter walked in that revelation, it did position him to be, you know, the primary apostle to the New Testament church, at least at the start. I do wonder how long it is between that starting and him getting tired of continually defending the truth and sort of like compromising with the food and stuff and withdrawing from the Gentiles and all that. Like, I just wonder if his leadership was exhausted. Because you can imagine post-Pentecost, everything he did from then on had an abrasive feel to it.

Jess Quak: 13:38

Yeah, well, the persecution was massive. He had friends who were being killed, like other disciples that he knew and loved were being killed. He was being imprisoned. There was this constant pressure from outside of the church and also within the church.

Dave Quak: 13:54

Yeah, so you imagine if you're the point person, now you've got twelve guys helping you out, but there would have been tons of Pharisees still against him, tons of like it would have been really heavy.

Jess Quak: 14:05

Yeah, it would have been for sure. And because the disciples were spread out to a large degree, because they were told to go, share this news with the world, it's great news. And so he he would have, to a degree, been a little bit separated. Because it's not like they could just email, jump on a Zoom call, like how are you guys going? He was very much um, you know, travel for two weeks by boot and walking to the next city or whatever it might be. So there is there is that, but it's pretty cool though, because you might look at um some people will look at Peter's personality and immediately go, okay, this guy's just got natural charisma, he's just naturally gonna jump in, people are gonna follow him, people are gonna enjoy being around him, let's make him a leader. Other people might be a bit more tentative with that kind of personality and just be like, oh no, we can't make that guy the leader. Look how many times he's stuffed up, yeah. Um and either side putting this kind of pressure on him. And yet Jesus sees him knowing he's gonna stuff up, knowing what the future holds, and goes, you know what? Yeah, you're different to the other disciples, but they're all different from each other as well. He's just very noticeably different. As Mannus is and yet he's like, I know it's gonna be hard for you to do this, but you're also gonna love this. And um I have a friend who says this really well. She says, um with the Romans verse, God works all things for the good of those who love him. And she goes, just because it's good doesn't mean it's going to be easy. Easy doesn't mean good, good doesn't mean easy, but and that is Peter to it. Like God is putting him in this space, and you know, he's not the guy who you can see who would be sitting down loving paperwork, you know. I'm not entirely sure how many letters he would have enjoyed writing, you know. We get Peter, the books of Peter, the letters of Peter in the Bible, and he would have had a scribe doing that. But he I wonder how much he would have been like, oh, do I have to? But um God used his weaknesses as much as his strengths there, and for us, as we look at him, we can see, you know, maybe probably someone like you more than me would look at Peter's personality and relate a little bit more.

Dave Quak: 16:55

I think in the all-in-ness, I think like I I enjoy a a wide variety of experiences because it it does get boring to me if everything's the same. But I also get fatigued if the hard experiences are outweighing the fun experiences. Yeah. There really needs to be a balance. Peter nailed it. 1 Peter 4 12 it says, Beloved, don't be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you as though something strange were happening happening to you. But rejoice in so far as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. I think he had a good revelation that he got to raise the dead, got to preach at the synagogue, got to do heaps of cool stuff, and he also had fiery trials, and he wasn't surprised by that, it was the whole deal. That's got to be Christianity, right? Like mostly it's some or the other or a mixture of both.

Jess Quak: 17:54

Yeah. And yeah, he's got that grasp of both ends of the spectrum, and he lives the extremes of both ends of the spectrum. He ends up being murdered for his faith, and from all accounts he does so, yeah, with with such a sense of pride in the fact that he gets to be like Jesus. Yeah. And that comes from a deep relationship with God. That's not something that Peter could have done in and of himself.

Dave Quak: 18:25

No, that's right. And so often in our culture we're chasing the good life, you know, the life absent of trial and suffering and hardship and brokenness and whatever. But the reality is a life in Christ does encompass a whole lot of this stuff because we're called to a world that doesn't know Jesus. You know, and we're called to bring words of life into that situation and to show people faith, and not everyone's gonna like that all the time. And so this says don't be surprised at the fiery trials. And if you are listening and you're having fiery trials, I do actually empathize with you because I hate it when that's happening to me too. Um but don't be surprised because that's the call of God on your life, and it will pass. All of your trials will pass, and if the very the very worst in the next life, but in the very best, this life as well. You know, all seasons change. Sometimes the only thing you have to do to get rid of a hard season is just to wait a bit, and then it comes a bit further, and okay, wow, I came out of that season and I'm okay, and I learnt and I got stronger. You know, you see Peter's strength grow and he still makes mistakes, but you do see his strength grow and you do see his conviction grow. And then those two books, man, one and two Peter, are unbelievably filled with great theology on what it means to live as a man, as man of God, as a person of God.

Jess Quak: 19:41

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he has this beautiful heart, and um I think that's one thing that's really cool about looking at the different people that we see in the Bible and the way that they're depicted with such raw honesty. Like it's quite uh countercultural, to be completely honest. Like when you read the Gospels and the account of the disciples and what they were like, you don't read things like that in this time. Yeah, wasn't it wrote the yeah, and people were sort of like washed with a brush of like they're the good guys, so let's make it lovely, you know. This is you know, the so to see the very rawness of not just their highest heights, but also their fails and the things that go along at the same time, like Peter even he's one of the the closest to Jesus, like there was the twelve and they were really close to Jesus, but he was one of the three that were on the inner inner circle, and he got to go and see the transfiguration on top of the mountain. So this is a time when um not long before Jesus goes to the cross, um, he picks three of his disciples and they go up on a mountain to meet with God, and it is on top of that mountain that the nature of Jesus is revealed, and he's sort of it's almost as if sort of the veil comes off and he's revealed as no, this is the Son of God, and and Peter is picked to be there and witness this, and there's Elijah and Moses who appear, and he gets to be a part of that, yeah, but then at the same time, he just like doesn't know what to do with it, so he just sort of goes, Oh, I know I'll do something, I'll make a tent. I'm gonna make a tent for you guys. We can stay up here for ages. This is awesome. Let's just, you know, do this. And it's like, no, sure.

Dave Quak: 21:50

But it's not a lot of resonate, man. Sometimes when you don't know what to do, you just start doing something.

Jess Quak: 21:54

Yeah, let me do something, let me say something. Um, yeah, let's keep this going. This party is awesome. Awesome and and God's like, just listen to my son, would you? Like, shh, stop talking for a bit. Listen, stop talking and listen. And for Peter, that would have been a lifelong lesson. Um, but he still got to be there.

Dave Quak: 22:13

And with Dryrus's daughter, he got to be there.

Jess Quak: 22:15

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 22:16

And at Gethsemane, he got to be there. You know, three times where he was the only, you know, only time where three of them only got called in.

Jess Quak: 22:24

Yeah, and it's not as if Jesus didn't know that this was who he was. And it's not as if Jesus didn't embrace the fact that he was impulsive and all in and wonderful and probably often quite annoying. Like and Jesus loved him so thoroughly and didn't exclude him because of this. Yeah, that's right. Um, he wasn't like, oh Peter, you're too much. Jesus kind of was like, Yeah, I see how much you're made for for so much goodness and to bring so much goodness to those around you. And your personality is different to the guy next to you, but you know what? That's a good thing. And that's gonna be used to be a blessing. And yeah, you're gonna need some lessons. Um, because we all do.

Dave Quak: 23:14

Oh yeah, sometimes you build a tent, sometimes you get behind me, Satan. Yeah, and sometimes you preach and 3,000 people come to Christ. Yeah, that's following Jesus.

Jess Quak: 23:24

Yeah, yeah, and that's what that's the encouragement I think for us is that you can usually find at least a disciple where you really go, Oh, that's like that guy's like me. Jesus didn't just get a whole group of people who looked the same as his type of personality. Yeah, you see very different people called together, and you see that they're all called together to be unified in him as well, which means that we're actually created to love and embrace the differences of the people around us, and we're meant to function well in that way and to be able to support one another in our weaknesses and to encourage one another in our strengths and see that that brings value to our own lives as well as the lives of the community.

Dave Quak: 24:14

Yeah, you mentioned earlier we planted the new church on Sunday just gone. And one thing I thought literally on Sunday was looking around thinking there is only one reason we're all together, it's because of Jesus. We're a random group of people, you've got people from all different ages, demographics, you know, born in different countries, everything, but we came together and everyone's a disciple in their own way, and some will be used for certain ways and some for others. But it's it is good to look at Peter and all the disciples and realise that you know God actually appreciates all sorts.

SPEAKER_00: 24:47

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 24:47

You know, if you had gone back to your cricket team, if you only had manuses on the whole team, you'd all just irritate each other all day long. But a team without a manus is missing, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 24:58

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 24:59

And so whatever you are, if you're the if you're more like the John who's the quieter, more soft spoken, that's good. Do that. You know, if you're a Matthew and you're a numberkeeper and you love accounting, do that. Like God has called all kinds.

Jess Quak: 25:14

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 25:15

It's cool.

Jess Quak: 25:15

Yeah, and called to love each other as well. And look, you're not just because we're called to love each other as well doesn't mean that that's going to necessarily be an easy thing. There are some personality types, but just because of the way that they are, they sort of rub up against each other in the wrong way.

Dave Quak: 25:32

Well, some people are irritating, but to other people that person's not irritating. So they're only irritating to certain, you know, we're all I'm irritating to some, you are to some.

Jess Quak: 25:40

Yeah, and it doesn't mean that just because you're irritated by them, that that means that that thing about them is ungodly or that that thing about them needs to be taken away. Uh, it could just be, I mean, depending on what it is, obviously, but it could just be that okay, this is this part of their personality is rubbing up against that part of my personality. It's a little bit abrasive, but you know what? That's a moment where that can really be an opportunity for me to practice true, true Jesus style love. Yeah, where I see beyond my discomfort and can pray and love and encourage that person to the very depth of their being, know that they're so fully loved by God, they're created by him, he has a plan and purpose for them, um, and also have a bit of humility about the way that look that's rubbing me up the wrong way. I need to put my own agenda down, my own discomfort. I've got to deal with that, bring it before God, ask for his Holy Spirit to help because he can. He's our helper. You see what he's done with Peter, of course, he can help you deal with someone with a different personality and and just really be the people um that bring light and love to others with our strengths as well.

Dave Quak: 27:05

Yeah. No, I think that's so true. I mean, yeah, if Jesus can use, minister, restore, and send someone like Peter, he can do the same with all of us.

SPEAKER_00: 27:18

Yeah.

Dave Quak: 27:19

And so I guess, Jess, as we wind up at the end of this chat, do you have any other words of encouragement for those that are made in God's image, ready to be sent, called, you know, redeemed and restored. And um, after you've got those words of wisdom, feel free to pray for us.

Jess Quak: 27:35

Yeah, so my encouragement to you is to do what Peter did well, and that is always just bring it back to Jesus. Have the humility to own up to your mistakes, and also be having the humility to receive the forgiveness that Jesus offers you when you make those mistakes. Knowing that he doesn't want to reject you, he actually wants to draw you close to himself and fill you with his peace and his strength and his love. So if you're needing a bit of that um that feeling of being truly loved deep down and truly accepted, but come to God, like Peter did so well, and and allow him to do that deep work in you. Allow him to fill you with his spirit for strength, that you don't need to walk into the future afraid, but you know that you're not walking alone, you've got his strength on your side.

Dave Quak: 28:35

Yeah, awesome. Jessica Quack, thank you. Watson Quack, thank you for not snoring too loud. Um, Jess, if you could pray us out, that would be spectacular.

Jess Quak: 28:44

Yeah, Lord God, thank you so much. Just pray for this person, this amazing community listening right now. Lord, may your strength and your peace and your grace just overshadow every fear, every failure, every heartbreak that's happening within them right now. Lord God, bring your peace, bring your love. Let them feel your acceptance and love for them. Override all of their fear about just coming before you now and receiving all that you have to offer in Jesus. Thank you, Lord God, for your great love for us and your people. In Jesus' name, amen.

Dave Quak: 29:30

Amen.