Episode 32 - Live at the Ideal Home Show April 2025

 This episode was recorded live on the DFS stage at the Ideal Home Show in Dublin in April, 2025. Thank you to our lovely audience for listening and asking questions, to Jo Linehan for the fabulous interview, and to the whole team for having us on stage! We talked all about how to keep your renovation on budget, on time, and in style. Note as this was recorded in a busy environment there will be some background noise, but we did our best to make it sound good.

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Episode 32 - Live at the Ideal Home Show April 2025

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Podcast Intro

Jen: Welcome to Rip It Up, the renovations podcast. I'm Jenny. I'm Kate. And between us, we've renovated a lot of houses and it hasn't scared us off. In fact, we loved it so much that we can't stop talking about it. So in this podcast, we will give you all the tools and info that you need to tackle your own renovation like a pro. 

Episode Intro

Jen: This episode was recorded live on the DFS stage at the Ideal Home Show in Dublin in April, 2025. Thank you to Joe Linehan for the fabulous interview and for the whole team for having us. We talked all about how to keep your renovation on budget, on time, and in style.

Jo: Okay. You guys ready? Yep. We'll get started. Good morning everyone. You are so welcome here to the DFS Interiors Theater. My name is Jo and and I'm your host here for the weekend. And. It has start off as such a gorgeous show already, and I'm so delighted [00:01:00] to be joined by my two next guests. Our last show was so interesting and I'm so glad that they've come back.

I'm delighted to be welcome by the Rip It Up podcast duo Jenny Sheahan and Kate O'Driscoll. And we're gonna be talking about one of the topics that is so popular for you guys, which is all about budgeting and staying on track with a renovation project. So please give a big welcome to the girls. There will be time for q and a afterwards and.

Don't be shy. They have so much amazing knowledge, so pick their brains. But for now, please welcome Jenny and Kate. Thanks so much for coming everyone. Thank you. Welcome back to the show. Thanks, Pam. Thrilled to be here. I have no doubt you guys have been extremely busy since the last time, and we'll get into all of that.

But before we get into it, I'd love to just take it right back to the start and talk about you guys individually. How did you start into the renovation world and like what really. Like sparked that interest for you both. I go first. You go first. Yeah. So engineering was always my background. Um, so I'm kind of technical of [00:02:00] stuff by nature, but I always loved interior, always.

It was just something I kind of fell into and it was very natural. So a couple of years ago, we were both on RTE's Home of the Year, both our homes. Sorry, room. Just know because you What a fabulous place to, to me by the way. I guess off the back of that, then people start asking me on Instagram. Would I help them out with their own projects?

And it just became kind of a natural progression and now I do it kind of some time. That's amazing. 

Jen: And what about you? Yeah, same. So I don't have an interiors background, but I do, I do have a slight design background and I always loved, like, I was renting obviously for, for years, like most of the country.

And I always loved, you know, recovering chairs, doing anything I could to make a rental place feel like a home. And then I bought my own home in 2019 and renovated it in 2020. And then. One over the year 2021, and same off the back of that. So I do a lot of one-on-one consultations with people as well.

Just kind of short advisory slots. But I've gotten into media a lot, which [00:03:00] I really love. So I'm on, we have our podcast, of course, I'm on News Talk every Thursday on the home squad for listeners of lunchtime live, and then often on the home show on Saturdays as well. And then I write for the Examiner every weekend as well.

So a lot of renovation tips, interior design tips, et cetera. So, um. Just loved the whole world of, of interiors, love, advice. Anyone who has questions feel free to reach out to us on our Instagram. It's like we're, we've, we've a lot of advice accumulated between us over the last few years, so we love to, to help people out where we can, and 

Jo: I think that's how our relationship kind of started.

Yeah. So funnily enough, we're on a friends with the same people, but we didn't know each other personally like that. Well, we had met at parties, things like that, but then when we were on home of the year, we're like, oh my god. And we had this kind of common interest, and funnily enough, we've been kind of helping each other through our organization.

So Kate's being kind 

Jen: there. Kate helped me, so Kate was a few months ahead of me. In her renovation. And that was your second And my first renovation. Yeah. So she was giving me loads of tips about like, where do I go? What's the best suppliers? Where can I find, you know, good resources? [00:04:00] And then, uh, she beat me.

And then I, it's kind of an 

Jo: unfair advantage, really. My God, I, I didn't put those two and two facts together. But it's amazing because what you did for each other really. Is now what you're doing for all of your listeners, because so many people want to get into renovation projects. I mean, there's amazing grants out there now if you are willing to take on a big renovation, but it's so intimidating and people don't know where to start.

So you're amazing. You're kind of the Guinea pigs who've gone out and done all the graft and now you're bringing that information back to people. Before we get into that even, can I ask you both, like what were the biggest lessons that you've learned throughout? 'cause I know you're, you're still in the midst of, of a renovation.

You've been through it. Another one. What are the biggest things that you took away from those maybe initial experiences that you've carried on with you? You'll never get every single thing on your wishlist. Okay. So I always say to people like early at the outset of your renovation, no, your absolute non-negotiables, the things that your heart really, really, really desires and budget for those.[00:05:00] 

And where you have flexibility, then you can do things like shopping around or whatever. But don't get disappointed when you can't. Get everything on your absolute question. It's just know the ones that are really, really the top 3, 5, 10 feet. I think that's a good starting point. I mean, everyone has their dream scenario, which you need to be a realist.

And I, I mean, on the back of that, would you say just like pace, just like things can be done in five years or six years time, it doesn't all need to be done in the one Perfect. Project. Yeah, absolutely. We just know the stuff that's more expensive to do retrospectively, so you're not gonna put it on the floor heating after your renovation's done.

Okay? So know if you really, really want on floor heating, you're doing it at the start. Okay? Yeah. Or rewiring and replumbing works are harder to do after the fact, but. You might be able to afford nicer carpets or a nicer bed or nicer furniture a bit, you know, longer down the line. So like, I suppose, keep those ones a bit later if you can at all.

Jen: And what about you? I totally agree. I think having a prioritized list, a realistic list of what you need, what the non-negotiables are, what you have to spend money on, versus maybe where you can pull [00:06:00] back and maybe flex a little bit, or where you can wait to have something done a bit further down the line is really important.

I think being realistic is. Is important. So I am, my nickname when I was in school was Gen, enthusiastic. So I just tend to have a very positive outlook and enthusiasm and a renovation will test even me. Like it's just really hard. It's so expensive and there's so many decisions to be made and it, you know, it's not easy, but if you keep your eye on the prize and you're willing to flex a little bit and you're willing to put work into maybe looking for secondhand furniture where you can just being patient about that perfect thing coming along.

A bit of elbow grease. You know, where you can is, is really important. You will get what you want and it will be worth it. Okay. And then you'll forget all the pain and then you'll want to do it again. And that's how the renovation cycle starts, you know? And 

Jo: here we are now. That's you are. Exactly. That's, that's such a good point because I'm sure even as you say, if you're so excited when you start off, you must hit so many walls where you think, I can't make another decision.

Oh my God, this has come up and it's not in the [00:07:00] budget. How do you find the energy to kinda keep going and, and. I guess be fluid in, in, because you have to be fluid in, in these projects, I would guess. How, what do you do there? How do you do it? I think like, like Jen said already, you learn so much going through these renovations.

Once you've done one, one time, the whole way through start to finish, it's like a baptism flyer. So what we've tried to do with the podcast is condense all that information and all that looking for information into kind of short snippets of episodes, 30, 40 minutes on a specific topic. So if you're trying to pick.

Heating systems, boilers, radiators, we've done an expert on that. If you're trying to do floor coverings, why is one floor 20 hours a square meter and another to hundred a meter? And then why should you pick one over the other? So like we've tried to take that decision fatigue outta things for people in the podcast and we've been through it.

And honestly, there's no easy answer to say, you know, there's an easy way to get through making a hundred million decisions because you're doing renovation. Start to finish. Each room probably has 200 decisions to make. When you think [00:08:00] of my gosh. A bathroom like your brass are sentry or your tile, your flooring, you're like, there's so many individual decisions that decision fatigue is just, it's just really, it's just, it's just gonna be there.

Just 

Jen: access 

Jo: the information. 

Jen: And I think the way to help with that is to have a plan. So even if you're not an organized person, just force yourself through the pain of planning this out as well as you can at the outset. And I know there's certain things will come up that you, you couldn't have thought about or you couldn't have planned for, but having everything listed, I always joke about this when I was doing my budget for the renovation.

I had everything down to my toilet roll holder. Not quite my toilet roll. Close enough with the toilet roll holder because not only do you need to know maybe what everything is likely to cost, like you have to put in estimates and and know where you can pull back and where you can. Maybe splurge tiles is my thing I got splurge on, but you need to know as well what are the timelines.

So if you're looking at buying a sofa for example, you know that might be custom for your house. You could be looking at 12 weeks or something like that. If it's a kitchen, you could be into 20 weeks. Um, and you need to know what's happening [00:09:00] when, and you need to know when the decisions are going to be expected of you.

Because if you're going through a renovation and suddenly your builder goes, okay, where are you gonna put the lighting? Where, where your switch is going, uh, I need you to pick your doors. I need you to pick your windows. If you're not ready for that, it's a very hard decision to make quickly, and it's one that can impact your pocket as well for sure, if you haven't thought about it.

So doing that painful process at the start of sitting down and planning out everything and thinking about what are the timelines I need to be aware of here, when does this decision need to be made? Talk to your builder about that, um, that will help you so much in the future. And it is painful. It's like doing your finances like you don't wanna do it, but it will save you so much headache in.

Yeah. 

Jo: So when you were doing that, did you literally sit down and just say, okay, what's everything that goes into a bedroom? What's everything that goes into a bathroom and literally itemized everything, every single 

Jen: thing down to the light book. And I actually, I did it in a spreadsheet. It doesn't have the timeline on it, but you can download it for free off my Instagram, which is Workers Cottage or my, my website, which is jenny t.com.

Um, it's just a, a very simple spreadsheet. [00:10:00] You can buy my revenue details there, there you can buy me a cup of coffee to say thank you, but it's also anonymous. Well deserved. Don't, I won't know. But anyway, it, it's not, it doesn't have the timelines in it. I must do an updated one with that, but it just has every item in it.

And then there's, what I did was I had two, um, columns in a spreadsheet. One was the most expensive item that I wanted, my dream item. And what would all that come to? And then the second was what was the cheapest alternative that I'd be happy to settle for? Okay. So then as you're going through your prioritized decisions and you're, you know, you must have items versus what you can flex on, you know, what you have left, you know, where you can splurge, you know, if you can afford that nice to have thing at the end versus where you have to pull back and, and, and then you're ready to go, oh my 

Jo: god, that, that's even just getting into that mentality.

I'm sure by the time. The work starts. You have done so much legwork. Yeah. And like you said, you're not gonna be on a Tuesday afternoon in the in the rain, trying to think, oh my God, what? What door do I want? In a panicked situation. So talk to me about the high low thing, because that's [00:11:00] difficult if you have your heart set on your dream sofa.

But do you think, okay, that's the dream. But this is the reality. Like at what stage of the process do you make that call? Or do you think, okay, no, that that's something I'm definitely not gonna back down on. Like that must be even difficult to do if you want all your dream things. How do you make those decisions?

Jen: Especially that's you in the middle. You have to prioritize. Like you have to prioritize. So there's certain things, as Kate mentioned earlier, if you're going through renovation, that is when you do your underfloor heating, you're not going back to do it because it means ripping up the floor. Um, you know, you're not, you're not going to skip out on Windows, for example.

You're not, like, your heating system is probably the most important one, I would say. And then you need to get your electrics right, and then as you go through your itemized list, you have to decide for yourself what's most important for you. It might be solid wood floors that you really, really want and you're not willing to compromise on that.

And then you have to think about what else do you wanna compromise on for somebody else that might be, you know. Beautifully bespoke joinery with dovetail joints. So maybe that's really important to you. For somebody else, that might be [00:12:00] tiles. I love tiles. That was my big one. You know, so you have to be really honest and, and know where you're willing to compromise about what do you really want you have to have versus what are you willing to pull back on.

And then the second is, what do you, what can you, what's not worth pulling back on? So maybe, you know, a sofa is a good example. You can maybe get a beautiful secondhand sofa. My first one was from. What's what now? Vision Ireland. They do amazing secondhand furniture for 50 euro and it got me so far and then I had the money to invest in my, the one that I really wanted.

But a sofa's an easy swap out. There's things that aren't easy swap out that you just have to invest in upfront. Um, and it's ultimately, you know, you think about longevity, it's like if anybody, if anybody read the DISC World series when they were younger, the Vims Booth theory. Uh, so if you just buy something cheap, it's like fast fashion.

If you keep buying something cheap every year, ultimately over 10 years. You'll probably have spent as much money as if you bought something really worthwhile. So if you can invest, there's certain things that are worthwhile investing in upfront, and ultimately it does save you long term, even though it feels like a [00:13:00] bigger hit at the time.

Jo: Yeah, I love the secondhand upcycling, anything like that. So that's how I kind of wrap Peter to PayPal. I'm really running over budget on something. I'll see where I can get something secondhand or where I can get something. I can give a light sand and a stain or something else. Or something like that. So like I try and kind of rub it from one column to, you know, give it to the other one.

I 

Jen: guess I'm just gonna, you're being too generous here. Again, the light sand of the stain, like, check out her Instagram, Victorian rat mine. Like, she stripped spindles on her stairs and rebar. So like, the woman has tools coming out. The, was like the level of DIY and upcycling here is. Very impressive. So yeah, it's not like that.

Jo: What's, what's your, beyond the plumbing and the under and all that stuff, what's your thing? Like, your thing is Ty, what's your non-negotiable that you're like, I'll always purge on this kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen. Gad gadgets. Like Jen said, that joinery, like the dovetailing solid wood drawers.

Like I just live for kitchens. Oh. Like I love it. I love designing them for people. I love doing sessions on kitchen specific people. [00:14:00] Um, and it's just something I won't compromise on in my house. Well look, I'd love to ask you about that. You've mentioned there about like the consultations and stuff. Can I ask how you both, like if somebody comes to you after the show today and they have a room that they need help with or they're starting in a project, how do you work with them?

Do you work? Do you work similarly or do you have a different approach? How do you work Case? Slightly different approach. Yeah, so like we offer kind of hours sessions or are doing full house projects for people as well, but the hour sessions are really good for people who aren't sure if they need help.

Okay. Or they might just need a steer in the right direction. Maybe it's sourcing specific things, maybe. I have one session called Help. I bought a wreck 'cause I've bought a lot of rec houses and people get these houses and the excitement is like, oh my God, I have the keys. Pull off the wallpaper. Oh my God, the wall fell off.

What am I gonna wear? Oh God. So then they kind of ring me and go, what do I do next? So one or two hour sessions there make a huge difference just to steer them as to. What they're kind of looking for, what they need to do next, what grants they can apply for, things like that. So, okay. They're the kind of sessions that I do.

Um, are you the, my 

Jen: big thing, similar, um, slightly different. So [00:15:00] I love storage and making the best possible use of space. So when I bought my cottage, I think it was 42 square meters, I extended a little bit. So it's now 60 total. And I have two bedrooms, two bathrooms, a home office, like it's, I I, every single inch of that little tiny house is, is used.

And I love thinking through that. Wow. So the, probably the best way to use me is the same. It's a short, you know, 45 minute, um, chat, video chat that you can book on on my website. But it's, it's if you're, you have, you're part of the way there and then you're like, where do I go from here? Have I got the right colors?

Am I thinking about using the space? Right? Should I install this here? Or what the, what's the best layout to use? I love thinking. Thinking about layouts, kind of putting the puzzle together and making sure you're getting the best use out of that space. 

Jo: Okay, so you can do an hour and an hour and all your problems will be solved essentially.

A question that I love to ask is, and it's something that always comes up here, how do you know what suppliers to choose and what, how to tap into that? Because people are so nervous. If they're gonna buy a really nice kitchen or they're gonna buy a sofa, or they need someone to do their under floor [00:16:00] eating, like how would you find the experts?

That you can trust. It can be, it can be a lot of money and people do worry about it be, and I think this is why we both started these kind of one-to-one sessions because I don't think a lot of people renovating now, at least I didn't have, I didn't have the budget for all these experts to do the full-time projects on my house.

It just didn't. But these drop in sessions would've saved me so much heartache the first time around and just use someone as a sounding board that's been through it a few times and. Jenny and I are actually working on something in the background, so watch this space. But we're trying to look at something around this, around how you're finding suppliers, how you find advice, and how you actually, you know, I guess get someone that's trusted that's not gonna rip you off and you're getting a good price and you're getting to a quality, you know?

So it's hard one to do, but that's why we start to do sessions, I think. 

Jen: Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah, you're right. Watch this space where we're working hard to make the whole process easier for you, but. One thing I think is really important is recommendations, of course are important. Patience, because it's worth waiting to get the right person.

It could be more expensive in the [00:17:00] long run. And a number one thing that really worked out for me when I was picking suppliers was communication. So if somebody was engaged, they seemed organized, they were willing to come back to you, um, and they kept you in the loop on what was happening. That was pretty much inevitably a good indicator for me that they were gonna be good to, to work with.

And that they'd come back if something went wrong or something like that. So I think communication was key. 'cause it's a working relationship at the end of the day. You know, 

Jo: that's a great tip to actually maybe trust your gut. You know, if you're chasing them to even have that initial conversation, they're not going back to you.

That's probably a sign of what they're like and what they're gonna be like through the project. So that's a really, really good tip. Let's talk about the podcast. When did you start it? When did you guys decide, okay, we actually need to take this, we need to have a counseling session and bring to the masses?

Yeah, and what's been, I guess, the most popular episode? We could lie here and say, it was like something we thought of over years and we were developing it, but it wasn't, it was a total penny drop moment. We were out for dinner, but one of those common friends that we have, it was a birthday party. We were drinking wine.

We were just chatting about houses and one of our friends. She was looking for advice and [00:18:00] both of us were just literally just feeling off house stuff and renovation stuff and where to go for things, and she was like. Guys, you need to, you need to write this down. You need to talk about, she was there taking notes at dinner and like, she's like a fountain of knowledge so we can credit this friend for actually being the reason that we have her, which is amazing.

Yeah. And then what about your most popular episodes? Is there ones that people, 'cause that's the great thing about it. I find that you can tap into whatever's going on in your life. You can tap into an episode for it. Is there one that people constantly come back and ask you questions on or, or say, that episode saved my life.

I think I've heard a lot of people talk about our lighting plan stuff. Yeah. 'cause Jenny talked about that. Like doing your lighting and electrical plan is, oh my God, it's so complicated. Unless you have an architect doing that for you or a designer doing that for you, it's so hard to do that for yourself.

So we kind of stepped through the process and how we did it and how to kind of map it out and stuff. And I think I probably get the most people saying That was so useful. Yeah. And you've worked on something so technical, so simply. So I think that's probably it. 

Jen: Yeah. It's probably the [00:19:00] one where there's the least information out there that's easy to access.

Yes. And I think people don't realize you should do that first. Get your lighting and your electric plan done first. Wow. Because it's really diff, it's different. You can change things around a little bit, but it's a lot to think through. So that's important. There's also a great episode on thrifting that's been really, really popular.

I love that episode. How to find the secondhand bargain, what you should be looking for, you know, things to look out for. What do you, how do you find, you know. Something that's actually valuable and, and is gonna last rather than something. My favorite topic is part of availability. DIY 

Jo: as well. Oh, and I honestly, that episode I felt like I shouldn't have been listening.

I felt like you were giving away so many, like, amazing secrets and I was like, I, no, I, I should know this information. That's a really good one. Especially as you say, people are on a budget and you do need that furniture. Like how can you still invest in something that, you know, maybe isn't your dream, but it's still gonna be a good piece.

Yeah. And how to maybe jazz it up a little bit. Yeah. Um, does anyone have any questions for Jenny or Kate? And their own projects and renovations. I mean, I have plenty of [00:20:00] questions so I can keep talking while you gather your courage. One of the things that I'd love to ask about is grants, because we're here, we all talk about them.

Have you guys used the grants? Um, what advice do you have for people who are thinking, oh, I wonder, I look at this house. Is there something available to me? It's tricky. So my last few renovations have been ated properties and they're also, um, protected structures. Okay. So it makes access to grants a little bit more difficult to do specialty kind of historic funds, grants, um, available.

But in terms of getting the BER up high enough, unprotected structures, it's quite difficult to access a lot of those energy grants 'cause you're not getting the high rating and they want you to. Mind bogglingly, keep single glazed windows, single glazed, and not insulate your wall so that you know, it's a complicated one to navigate.

But we have gone through it as a podcast episode as well, actually, where we break down all the grants available and the process of applying. And I've actually helped some people apply for some of those vacant homes, grants or LIC to grants and some of the SEI grants and. [00:21:00] I guess just mapping out the timeline of when they need to do things, when they need to have the funds themselves to fund the stuff, when they're gonna get the payback, how to make sure they get the payback meaning and all that and so, yeah.

Jen: Yeah. I think, if I remember, I think it might be episode 14, if you're going back to to listen, is where we go through grants and it's probably when we need to repeat. You know, semi-regularly because the grant structure changes. The change, what's available, changes, you know, it's, it's not always the most up to date and it's not the easiest one to find information about.

Yeah. But a couple of tips for when we were going through, so one is the process need. You need to know the process. You can't start the work until you've gotten the grant approved. Wow. So you have to find somebody who is on the approved list and then you have to apply for the grant. And then you get the work done and then the grant gets paid back.

So people, you just be careful that you don't kick off the work before you do that. Wow. The second one I would say is don't just pick the first person and go with it. Go and get a few quotes. Wow. Because people, I'm not pointing any fingers or naming names, but people can tend to bake the cost [00:22:00] of the grant into their prices, and it can be overall more expensive.

Uh, sometimes there can be dishonest people out there, so I would still go and get a range of quotes from people on that supply list. Wow. And make sure that they're held to, to that quote as well. So that's important. Oh my God. And 

Jo: that's its own mind view, but of course you already have a podcast on it.

You guys are streets ahead. Does anyone want to ask in your case we'll get you a, a microphone. Thank you so much. 

Jen: The question from the audience here was not very clear on the mic, but it was whether there are any specific grants just for replacing your windows and doors.

Kate: Yeah, there's specific allowances for certain things, I guess. But overall, to get some of these, you'd have to get up to a certain BER or they'd have to be a certain new value or a certain rating. So there are allowances per the different areas, and I think I find the best places, the Citizens Information website as in the most up to date and broken down, then through to SEEI as well, just to see the allowances.

But I always say to people that it's actually sometimes a little bit cleaner and a little bit easier to access some of those individual grants, whether it's [00:23:00] at Installation or Windows. Through separate suppliers as a single job. 'cause once you amalgamate it all into one huge job, you can't start any of the works until you, you know, have full approval and sign off.

You have to kind of marry up exact hooks you've gotten at that outset to what's been done. And then there'll be like a pre-inspection at a post inspection and you have to fund all those works yourself, which makes it very cost prohibit for a lot of people. I would say, um, to have that money up front. So I think it's actually simpler to kind of go through it separately and.

The one-stop shops are another option, but like we're kind of saying you kind of have to fund that upfront. So to make it a bit more difficult 

Jen: and I think for you, so yeah, there isn't as at latest time of check and there isn't one just for windows and doors, but if you find one that is for bringing up your BER overall, you might need to combine it with insulation or something like that.

But you could find a way where you can, you can get to the outcome that they're looking for and that's what, you know, getting your windows and doors done will get to that outcome. So just. Yeah, [00:24:00] it might not be called windows and doors, and you might need to combine it with some type of external installation or something like that.

But if that overall gets your energy rating up, then you could be eligible for a grant there. But there isn't as a short answer, no, 

Jo: you are too young. But my parents just got a grant from the local council because they're pensioners. So they got the Windows and Doors grant, but that was from the local council and they're much older than me, but it's always worth, just as you say, citizen information is where they got that from.

So it's definitely worth checking that out. Um, guys, what are you most looking forward to? What are you working on? Is it a client? Is it your own house? What is keeping you excited at the moment? I'm at kind of first fix slapping out the walls in my current renovation, so I'm unbelievably excited that finally the pretty stuff is coming into my house and coming in.

Deliveries. Um, but besides that, I think, you know, Jenny and I are working on something else around this, around the podcast and around helping people access this kind of information and renovation. So in the pipeline, it's just a little bit off yet to kind of give full details. Do we [00:25:00] have a timeline of like, can, you might be able to know something maybe by the next show 

Jen: in?

Yeah, by the next show we'll definitely have something exciting to announce. And also in between now and then we'll definitely be looking for people who are going through renovation, who might volunteer to be our Guinea pigs for some in exchange for some free. Uh, advice and support. So if you're on our Instagrams, please keep an eye out there because we'll be, we'll definitely be looking for, for people as well.

Yeah, sorry. 

Jo: Who wouldn't want to have any access to you guys when they're starting a project in exchange for being Guinea pig? That sounds amazing. Well, I cannot wait to hear what that announcement is. Given Health Pro and practical and approachable, you guys are with the podcast and everything else, I can imagine it's gonna be fantastic.

In the meantime, where can people find the podcast and where can they follow you guys individually and then together? 

Jen: Yeah, so if you can, you can scan that QR code if it's working. Um, it's called Rip It Up the Renovations podcast. You can listen to it on any podcast platforms, so Spotify, apple Podcasts, whatever, wherever you get your podcasts.

Um, you can find me on Instagram. I'm at Workers Cottage, and you can find Kate. [00:26:00] Uh, I'm at Victorian Breath Wine. Amazing 

Jo: guys, thank you so much for your time today. Yeah, thank you everyone. Attention and your 

Jen: questions. Appreciate it. Oh yes. They'll be here. So you can go into folks if you're, you'd be too nervous.

Yeah, if your question was not for public consumption and you have a private matter to discuss, you can come us. Thank you both so much. 

Jo: Thanks guys. That was amazing.

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