The House That Divided Us - Kendall Jenner’s Mountain Home | Unpacking Iconic Homes

In the final episode of this season of Unpacking Iconic Homes, we head to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, to explore Kendall Jenner’s mountain retreat, designed by acclaimed interior designer Heidi Caillier.

This is definitely the most divisive home we've covered. Kate loves its warmth, personality and unexpected elements. Jenny thinks the bold design choices start competing with each other rather than working together.

From Viola marble and burgundy bathrooms to giant floral sofas, patterned wallpaper, and eclectic vintage-inspired details, we unpack what makes this house so memorable - and why it has sparked such strong reactions online. 

What we cover:

•  Heidi Caillier's signature layered and eclectic design style 
•  Why this home feels completely different from Kendall's previous Los Angeles house 
•  The rise of cosy, collected interiors and the rejection of minimalist perfection 
•  Pattern mixing, colour clashes and where personality becomes visual noise 
•  Why some people see warmth and others see chaos 
•  The psychology of "lived-in" luxury 
•  What makes a home feel cohesive (or not!!)
•  Which design ideas are worth borrowing and which are best left to Wyoming mountain chalets 

Design details mentioned

•  Viola marble kitchen 
•  Lacanche range cooker 
•  Lee Jofa Hollyhock fabric sofa 
•  Design Frères stools 
•  Jefferson West bookshelves 
•  Zia Tile 
•  Farrow & Ball Brinjal 
•  Farrow & Ball Salon Drab 
•  Lisa Fine Textiles wallpaper 
•  The Water Monopoly yellow sink 
•  Charles P. Rogers bed 
•  Finline Willow chair (similar to blue armchair in main bedroom)

Things we loved

•  Open fireplaces 
•  Timber-clad bathrooms 
•  The wood kitchen island 
•  The kitchen flooring 
•  Kendall's use of books, art and personal collections 
•  The sense of individuality running through the home 

The big debate:

• Does the house feel beautifully layered and collected?
• Or does it feel like several strong design ideas competing for attention?

This episode is less about whether the house is objectively "good" and more about what happens when a designer prioritises personality over perfection. 

Link to Kendall's Architectural Digest house tour: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/kendall-jenner-mountain-home

Link to Heidi Caillier's stunning portfolio: https://heidicaillierdesign.com/portfolio/

Follow the podcast on Instagram @ripitup_podcast_official, or follow us - Jenny is @workerscottage and Kate is @victorianrathmines

Transcript

# Kendall Jenner's Mountain Home


## Intro

[00:00:00] 

**Speaker:** Welcome to Rip It Up. Every now and then, we see a certain house that stops us in our scroll and makes us want to completely redesign our own homes. In this series, we're picking six iconic homes, some that recently went viral and some that have stood the test of time. We'll be discussing design elements, color palettes, items we love, things we would change, and breaking down how to recreate the look on a more realistic budget.

This is unpacking iconic homes 


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**Jennifer:** podcast. Hi, Kate.

**Kate:** Hi Jen

**Jennifer:** Last, uh, episode in this series which, um, has been really popular. Thanks for all your feedback and comments, and this was a requested one. Um, we got a few requests for this, and I think someone commented on our, our Spotify or our YouTube channel requesting this one specifically, and it's Kendall Jenner's mountain home designed by Heidi Caillier.

I can't pronounce that. Caillier, Caillier, Caillier, Caillier. [00:01:00] And I think this is gonna be such an interesting one for us to do because we have largely agreed, and on this one we don't agree. I, I don't love it, and you do love it, and I think that's,

**Kate:** yeah

**Jennifer:** I think that's really funny 'cause it's, it should be my, uh, st- like, it's a lot of color.

It's a lot of pattern. I feel like that's kind of generally more what I love, and I love the mountains, and I love skiing and ski resorts and anything to do with mountain design, and you have a much more kinda calm, sophisticated palette. But you do love it, so-

**Kate:** I do love it. Do you know what? I will say I have a bit of a guilty pleasure in the Kardashians and the Kardashian-Jenner clan,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** I love watching the program. I just think it's so interesting to watch their ridiculous lifestyles, and, like, their ridiculous houses, and they're constantly renovating something, and I just, I love watching that.

It's not like necessarily I love them or I follow them, but I think, like, of all of them is, like, such a cool girl. Like, she's

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** [00:02:00] she's obviously gorgeous, but, like, I've always liked her houses

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** sisters, which are flashy and marble or, like, Kim's are real minimalist kind of temple ones.

I think Kendall's are, like, they always feel a bit, like, lived in, and she

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** about having parties, and loves cocktails, and she has that tequila brand. And, like, I feel like they're really, all her houses feel like they're built around just getting people together, which I

**Jennifer:** Yeah. I totally agree with that. I, I have never seen one episode of the Kardashians. I just, I, not, I don't have any beef with them whatsoever. I just haven't, I just have never seen it. But I've seen loads of interviews with her, and I watched her Architectural Digest house tour, which is really worth watching.

Um, and any time I see anything with her, I like her. Like, she seems really cool, really sounds obviously quite, you know, super intelligent and, like, um, I'm totally with you on that. Every single time I look at her house, I'm like, "You h- you just had friends over this weekend." Like, you designed this for your friends to come and have fun, and I love that.

So that is a design feature [00:03:00] that I like. Um, and

**Kate:** is probably like... her, her, uh, LA or wherever it is up in the

**Jennifer:** Mm-hmm.

**Kate:** I

**Jennifer:** Montecito, I think, isn't it?

**Kate:** Spanish kinda architecture, the kinda

**Jennifer:** Mm-hmm.

**Kate:** doors and all that. I loved that house as well. And like she had all hand fans, and she loves like, you know, out in the garden and stuff.

Like, uh,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** I love that house as well, but I think this one... Where did you say it is?

**Jennifer:** I think it's in Wyoming near Jackson Hole. Yeah, so Wyoming is a huge, like, mountain, uh, resort. Jackson Hole is a big mountain resort area. It's near the Teton Mountain Range. It's a very iconic, you know, if you've ever seen a very spiky mountain range with, like, typical zigzag mountains, that's the Tetons in Wyoming.

Jackson Hole Ski Resort is there. I think it's near that, but I don't know.

**Kate:** Okay.

**Jennifer:** and it is an incredibly... Yeah, it's a really cool, very exclusive ski resort. It's big cowboy country. I mean, there are ranches, there's cowboy bars, you know, it's, it is cowboy country. [00:04:00] So it fits with her, um, interests,

**Kate:** Yeah, for

**Jennifer:** I would say

**Kate:** like, it's probably her little getaway. I watched the Architectural Digest video. I remember when it came out first, I was like, "Oh my God,

**Jennifer:** We'll put a link to that in the show notes, guys. It's worth watching. It's so good

**Kate:** Yeah. But I remember watching that video, and she said, like, we might- we'll get into it when we talk about the spaces, but, like, there's a huge floral granny couch is the

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** can describe it. Like, it would fit 20 or 30 people, I'd say, this couch.

**Jennifer:** Okay, I'm gonna get... Oh, hips? Hips,

**Kate:** Let's

**Jennifer:** scotch. That's my least favorite thing.

**Kate:** wincing already at the idea of this granny couch, which I actually kinda think is cool.

**Jennifer:** Okay, as always, if you are watching on YouTube, we are about to share some images. If you're not, we will do our absolute best to visually describe what is going on here. Um, and you can- we'll put the link to the Architectural Digest tour in the show notes. But this, there is what can only be described as a 17-seater couch, I would say, in this, [00:05:00] um, in the living room, in the main living room.

It is Lee Jofa is the designer of this f- of this material, and it's Hollyhock Hand Block is the name of the pattern. It's a very floral, um, elements of teal and very, very pale blush, I would say. Um, take it from here, Kate, 'cause God, I hate this thing. I just cannot cope with it. I

**Kate:** I,

**Jennifer:** the fabric, but it's just way too big

**Kate:** if I saw this in a furniture shop, you'd be like, "Oh my God, that's such a disgusting sofa." But like, looking at this in the context of what is a very cool house, I think, like the, the basis of this house, in my opinion, is cool. And then

**Jennifer:** Yes

**Kate:** sh- Heidi Killelea, and her actually, 'cause in the Architectural Digest video she talks about how she kind of micromanaged a little bit, and

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** have a lot of input into her house here, and like collecting the stuff and going antique shopping.

She does a lot of that herself.

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** I think it's just a bit of fun in [00:06:00] like the accessories as opposed to putting it on the walls in this room. And I think like the rest of it is quite restrained. Like, you obviously have the big beams, the big oak beams and all that kind of stuff, and like you have the paneled walls that you're all neutral, but then you

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** kind of mad fun pops. I pick this sofa? Not in a fit. If I had this house and K- Heidi Killelea told me about this sofa, I'd probably be like, "Yeah, okay, let's go for it."

**Jennifer:** Yeah, and like nothing I'm about to say here brings into question Heidi Caillier's taste or Kendall Jenner's taste, both of which are impeccable and measurably better than mine. But my personal preference on this is that it's just way too big. It's visually overwhelming for me, and I usually love a contrasting pattern.

I love a pop of color. I love mismatched styles. I like a mix of antique and modern. But for me, this just is not coming together in a way that it normally would. Like, if you contrast this to, say, JoJo Barr's house that she, from House Nine D- House Nine Design, that she put together for Sophia Bu and Jamie Lang's house.

That to me [00:07:00] was such a masterclass in the contrast, in the pairing, in the meld of different designs, and this to me feels like a mishmash. I think I would love something in this pattern, but the couch, i- it's,

**Kate:** Whole

**Jennifer:** like taking it too far and then taking it too... There's too, there's too far in a very cool, bold, dramatic way, and this is next level too far for me, which I just don't, it's too much

**Kate:** her sitting on the back of that sofa, it kinda just shows you the size of it, and a piano behind it. And the, the piano is just, like, dwarfed. It looks like this tiny little side console table. So it is enormous.

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** know, there's something about Heidi Klum, if you, you're not familiar with her, look her up on Instagram.

Her style is very, like, pattern on pattern on pattern, and, like, it, it's almost meant to feel like it wasn't put together, but everything is actually very intentional, I think, in this. But the one thing that I kind of find interesting about Heidi Klum is the unexpected bits, right? So I'm not saying the pattern is unexpected here, 'cause she loves pattern, but, like, a pink side, what do you call, a lamp on the

**Jennifer:** [00:08:00] Yeah, I love the pink side lamp. The pink side lamp's beautiful. It goes so well with the green. There's a green kind of a throw over the back of the sofa. There's kind of

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** the, a green undert- there's d- certainly a green hallway leading into that room, and there's maybe green undertones coming through in the paint.

So that, that pink side table lamp, I love it. I absolutely hate the rug. There's like a jute or sisal rug underneath, and again, something I usually like, but n- it does not come together for me at all. It's like, it's jarring for me with the rest of the design here. I don't like it. What I love in this room, I'm totally with you on the exposed beams, the paneling, the piano is heaven, the artwork that Kendall herself has collected, she said, through auction.

I love it all. I love the table with the, there's books spread all over the table, and again, that screams to me, "Welcome in. Come on over. Here's my personality on display. I want you to, like, interact, you know, find something interesting and have a read and a browse and make yourself comfortable," and I do love that.

I think that looks really great

**Kate:** I feel like that kind of jarringness or [00:09:00] juxtaposition is kinda Heidi Caillier's stamp

**Jennifer:** Yes, agreed

**Kate:** you're not really expecting to come about, and yeah, it is unexpected. And I think every room in this house, if you kinda maybe, if we go on to another room, s- there's something unexpected in that room.

Overall, the palette seems safe, and then you're like, "Oh, what's that doing there?" Like, it's, I don't know. It, for me, it creates a kinda level of interest. The

**Jennifer:** Okay.

**Kate:** I

**Jennifer:** L- then let's g- oh, God, do you? I just don't

**Kate:** Yeah. Like, again, well,

**Jennifer:** Let me describe the kitchen to the person if you're not watching. The kitchen again has stunning, I think, elements. Like, the architectural elements of this home I love. Again, exposed beams. There is the most beautiful off-centered, uh, stone or brick fireplace in the corner with an open fire. Heaven. There is, I guess, Viola marble as a backsplash, and a countertop with a little shelf, which I love.

And then there is this beautiful, I love it, solid wood, gigantic kitchen island. [00:10:00] And there are four really beautiful, again, kinda jute or sisal or kind of whatever woven fabric, um, uh, stools around that table in a ve- again, a very, like, easy, comfortable seating configuration, which I love. They look really comfortable.

I'm super into it. I don't like any of the lighting. I don't think it works there at all. I think it's a horrible contrast. Yeah, I really don't like it. I think the-

**Kate:** What don't you like about the light? That's, that's shocking to me now because I think the lighting in this house is, is

**Jennifer:** Hate it.

**Kate:** It's

**Jennifer:** really don't like

**Kate:** no?

**Jennifer:** it. It's too restrained. I don't think it, the style goes with the rest of the elements at all. I think all the pendants and wall lights here are lost for me. The balance is completely off. Um, I just don't, I just, I really, I don't like it at all. I would've maybe preferred...

**Kate:** fireplace? I love the high fireplace in

**Jennifer:** Love it.

**Kate:** I think,

**Jennifer:** Love it. Divine. Divine

**Kate:** just, like, inviting is that? Sitting

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** with the fire at your kind of h- countertop height, I think that's so cool.

**Jennifer:** So welcoming and divine.

**Kate:** the purple doors,

**Jennifer:** No,

**Kate:** doors into the [00:11:00] kitchen?

**Jennifer:** hate them

**Kate:** unexpected for me, and then the checkerboard floor is, whoa, that would be divisive now, I would say, that

**Jennifer:** I really like the checkerboard floor, and we'll come back to it later. So they ha- she has this re- it's kind of almost a burgundy, you know, brownish red tile, um, against a white checkerboard. Standard size, maybe what are we looking at there? Like a 20, 30 centimeter maybe si- square tile.

**Kate:** Hmm

**Jennifer:** I love it. Again, together, I don't love it.

I don't like the tile with the Viola marble backsplash or whatever marble that is. I really don't like the purple doors. I just don't think the colors work together at all. And again, I love a pop of color, I just don't love this pop of color. And I don't like the little... I hate, sorry, there's a blue range in there.

Um, according to Architectural Digest, it's a Lacanche range,

um, with a... And I, I do like the hood over it, but it's blue. It doesn't work for me with the floor. It doesn't work for me with the purple door. It doesn't even work that well for me with the dark wood. I think it's just, [00:12:00] again, jarring, um, or with the marble.

And then there's this arrangement of floral plates up on the shelf above the, um, the kitchen countertop,

uh, along the backsplash, and I don't like those plates. They just don't work for me at all. They're too small. The pattern is not good.

**Kate:** feel? Okay, let's pick one thing you like in this room, and then let's go to the next

**Jennifer:** Well, I started with the things I like. I mean, I love the fireplace, I love the island, I love the chairs around the island. I think individually there's a, I like all the elements a- alone, they just don't come together well for me

**Kate:** Yeah. For me, I like most of this room. Would I pick any of it? Probably not in a fit. Like, I like the count- I like the kitchen itself, the cabinets.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, the cabinets are beautiful

**Kate:** I'd pick the marble. I'd pick the lights, actually. I hate, I generally just hate exposed wood beams. That's just me. I

**Jennifer:** Oh, I like them. Yeah

**Kate:** feel like they feel a bit staged here, and I know they're all reclaimed wood and stuff, but [00:13:00] it just, uh, that doesn't work for me.

But this kitchen overall feels like somewhere you could kinda just hang around

**Jennifer:** Yeah, it feel, it does feel very inviting and there's beautiful light. So those beams are passing over, um, a roof window, like a big massive skylight, and there is the most stunning natural light coming down from that. But then there isn't windows in the kitchen otherwise, and it's creating this really cozy, you know, everyone come together and hang around with a glass of wine in hand feeling, which I absolutely adore.

Um, so yeah, it's not coming together for me, but I want to go and hang out there because it looks really fun. So,

**Kate:** The

**Jennifer:** you know, I have a lot of feelings. Yeah

**Kate:** is an interesting tile. I would never in my life have... I have a checkerboard tile in my hallway,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** muted, restrained version of this. I would never have the guts to go for something like this. But keep this in mind as we go through the house, 'cause there's a few other elements very similar to this, I think,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** of start to give that cohesiveness that you said isn't there, [00:14:00] and I think that pattern kind of repeats itself through

**Jennifer:** The repetition is there, but the cohesiveness in individual rooms is not there for me. Like, those purple doors, what are they doing there? They just don't, they don't go with anything for me. They just jar. So next, I've kind of picked out, again, if you're watching on YouTube, there's individual elements in all of these rooms that I really love.

So,

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** Kendall was explaining that she, a friend found this, um, piano, uh, on her, I think it was on, I don't know, the, like, American version of adverts or it was somewhere for sale. It's like a, a, a vintage piano. It's really beautiful. It's this kind of redwood

**Kate:** Mm.

**Jennifer:** this covered checkered pattern stool with it that I really love.

There's a guitar there. All to say, again, guys, come on over, play a bit of music. You can see a session going on there at, like, 2:00, 3:00 AM, do you know? A lot of craic.

Um, there's books stacked on the piano. There's all this artwork that she talks about, you know, really getting into a specific artwork style, [00:15:00] which is local.

She called it kind of cowboy, you know, country, mountain. I love that. Um, I love the table, the books everywhere. She said she, you know, spent ages trawling local bookshops and finding those. I love the open fireplace. I love the wood paneling.

**Kate:** Can we talk about the fireplace here for a

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** love this fireplace.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, it's beautiful.

**Kate:** it's double-sided. Is it? Or

**Jennifer:** It's double-sided. It goes into the dining room.

Yeah

**Kate:** the, the fact that it's, um, it's not centered, I love. I just think that's so cool that the opening is kind of biased to one side, and then this black stained wood paneling and kind of almost cabinetry framing it out.

I just think that's so cool. I don't

**Jennifer:** Yeah, it's beautiful

**Kate:** I had seen before the way it's done here, and I just thought that was really interesting

**Jennifer:** I just love a double-sided fireplace in general. I find it like, it's like Narnia or something. Like, what's going on on the other side? It's just, I love it as a feature. I think it's so nice.

**Kate:** Yeah. Hate that shelf on the right. Sorry, I just hate these kind of naff nanny shelves with loads of random trinkets on it. Not

**Jennifer:** There's a lot of random trinkets. There's a lot of... There's a big asparagus, uh, what you call it? Like a, [00:16:00] a porcelain asparagus trinket in the kitchen. Can't stand it. There's fish. Don't like it. But it's mountain style, so you know, it's whatever. We're going there.

**Kate:** It is what it is

**Jennifer:** what do you think of the dining area?

**Kate:** Um, I love a banquette.

**Jennifer:** so listener, if you're not looking at pictures, the banquette fills three sides of a very, very long, uh,

**Kate:** be

**Jennifer:** oblong shape

**Kate:** it?

**Jennifer:** dining table, I would say.

So yeah, it's huge

**Kate:** That dining table is, yeah,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** three or four meter dining table easy.

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** Uh, I love the lemon pot vase. I have one in white. Love it.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, it's cool

**Kate:** that and I was like, "That's like the one I have." frill on the skirt on the banquette wouldn't be for me. I don't

**Jennifer:** No

**Kate:** skirts on sofas and things like that.

I love the dining chairs. Again, very rustic.

**Jennifer:** Mm-hmm.

**Kate:** I'd never really pick rustic finishes in general, so like it's not something I'd pick, but it suits the house, I think. But

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** the length of a banquette. Wouldn't like to be the person in the middle of that banquette trying to get out to

**Jennifer:** Exactly. I'm crawling under that table to try to go to the [00:17:00] loo. And I love a banquette, as you know, but three sides is a bit much.

**Kate:** as well.

**Jennifer:** Oh, yeah. That I'm gonna... Banging my shins up against

**Kate:** Imagine at a party trying to get six people to move so you can go to the toilet.

**Jennifer:** Oh, God. Yeah. It, it looks cozy, but to me it's too big for, for that banquette to be actually comfortable.

**Kate:** in the middle or two tables or something

**Jennifer:** Yeah, I don't hate the lighting here. The lighting's okay. And I love what they've done is these really beautiful kind of linen, very, um, textured curtain fabric in a Roman blind. So it's really draped and really gorgeous, and I really love that.

And there's wood paneling, covered in wood paneling in a lovely neutral color, and I think that's beautiful too.

**Kate:** Yep.

**Jennifer:** Okay. Um, I'm gonna skip past the entranceway because for some reason there's a massive porthole window and I just,

**Kate:** porthole

**Jennifer:** Yeah, they're not for me. They're not for me. But,

**Kate:** No.

**Jennifer:** there's nothing to really detest here, so it's fine.

Yeah, I like the, I like the all-encompassing green color. It's nice. It's, it's okay. Okay, I wanna talk about bathrooms [00:18:00] next before we move on to bedrooms because the bathrooms are dramatic. So,

**Kate:** are.

**Jennifer:** uh,

**Kate:** They kind of remind me of a press-up bathroom or something, to be honest. Do you

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** group?

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** of a bit overly staged. I don't really feel like anyone could actually use that and live there. It feels like a bathroom in a bar or restaurant

**Jennifer:** So what I love about the bathrooms is there is all dark wood paneling, like, completely encompassing the entire room, the walls, um, the ceiling. Like, it is a really dark, really, really witch-rich, you know, stained wood paneling. And I do really like that. I think it's really cozy, really inviting, uh, very warm and welcoming.

Then there are these sinks, which are, uh, like exposed sinks, Victorian sinks. Uh, they're from The Water Monopoly apparently. Um, I don't know if they're available here. And they're just on exposed, you know, uh, I don't know if that is, like, chrome or brass or whatever,

**Kate:** legs.

**Jennifer:** legs. And

**Kate:** in [00:19:00] this house actually.

**Jennifer:** yeah, a lot of brass, yeah

**Kate:** Uh, almost all the finishes, I would say, on the taps and stuff that I saw anyway in the Architectural Digest video are worn brass, whatever.

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** Um, but yeah, seem- she

**Jennifer:** Like, all the materials here are going to last, I would say. Like, this house is gonna be, is gonna last. You know, there'll be scuffs and wear and tear, but it'll be, it'll look great. But there's nowhere to put...

**Kate:** this or something, no?

**Jennifer:** It feels very Western

**Kate:** like, a cowboy shaving with an individual razor blade here, but I can't imagine Kendall Jenner's makeup fitting in here

**Jennifer:** Well, there's nowhere to put makeup. There's no surface space that I can see, so where's the makeup going?

**Kate:** you,

**Jennifer:** like

**Kate:** all your toiletries must fit in this one cup. Like,

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** is, where's the storage here?

**Jennifer:** And then there's another bathroom which has these beautiful zellige. I have them myself. I can't pronounce it. Zellige, zellige, whatever tiles, green tiles in a kind of a olivey, uh, green color, which I love.

They're really beautiful.

**Kate:** like limey green in some

**Jennifer:** [00:20:00] Liney, yeah, yeah.

**Kate:** tell.

**Jennifer:** Maybe a bit of a mixture.

**Kate:** enough, don't like these, and it's not that I

**Jennifer:** Oh, I do like them

**Kate:** tiles, I just thought they looked like a wall tile on the floor

**Jennifer:** So what I don't like is when they're in the shower, 'cause they're, they're all over the floor, they're halfway up the wall. I like that look. Then they take over this huge shower, and there's just too much for me at that stage. It's overwhelming. Um, there are these blue, uh, lamps, wall lamps on the wall, and I'm curious about how you feel about these.

Yeah.

**Kate:** the hell?

**Jennifer:** I hate them

**Kate:** something that would be beside a study desk from the '90s.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, that kind of like a, what would you call it? Like a metal, like, study lamp. Yeah

**Kate:** lamp, but blue. Like one of those ones you used to bend the leg on when you were studying when you were a kid in, like, the '90s.

Do you

**Jennifer:** That's all

**Kate:** that kind of style. And the cobalt blue, like, I, don't get that here, to be

**Jennifer:** And I'm, I'm here for the pop of color and the bit of contrast with the blue and the green, that's fine, but the style of that lamp to me, I'm like, "What is happening here?" I just, no, I don't like it

**Kate:** Nope, me neither.

**Jennifer:** So, [00:21:00] okay.

**Kate:** So

**Jennifer:** Then we're onto the main bathroom. And listener, if you're not looking at pictures, you remember we talked about the checkerboard floor in the kitchen

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** this kind of dark red, brownish red, burgundy kind of, uh, tile with white.

So they've done the same thing in the main shower area, but the shower is gigantic and the tile is, what are we looking at here? 10, 10 centimeter by 10 square tile

**Kate:** bench inside in that shower. I saw it in the video. It's huge.

**Jennifer:** It is giving me a headache just looking at that. I- it's way too much for me. It's dizzying. Yeah, it's dizzying

**Kate:** Eddie Rockets

**Jennifer:** Right.

**Kate:** The red

**Jennifer:** It's so dizzy.

**Kate:** I just can't. I just can't.

**Jennifer:** It's too much.

**Kate:** much.

**Jennifer:** I can't imagine being in that hour.

**Kate:** my shower in there

**Jennifer:** Yeah, I come out feeling like I've been on a night out. And the rest of

**Kate:** so relaxing." I was like, "How is that shower relaxing?"

**Jennifer:** Now in what way? Um, what I love is [00:22:00] there's a door into the shower, a crittle door into the shower with a hinged, um, a, what you call it? Like transom window on the top of it, um, that allows for steam to exit, and we spoke about this in, b- again, back to Sofia Abu and Jamie Laing's house, where they had done something similar, but it looked like the windows, or looked like the, the frame material was modern and kinda bulky, whereas this isn't, and it's perfect, and it looks w- I really love the look of that door.

Then there's a burgundy

**Kate:** that shower. Is there heating in there?

**Jennifer:** there's windows, there's a window right there, like, yeah.

**Kate:** is a snowy place. Like, it's gonna get

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** Like, if

**Jennifer:** Or hot in the summer

**Kate:** unless you can do... Can you do underfloor heating in a shower now where they're kind of completely waterproof versions of it?

I don't know.

**Jennifer:** I don't know

**Kate:** shower with that door closed and no heating in there would get effing cold if

**Jennifer:** Yeah. Yeah. There would have to be.

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** it's a whole kind of enclosed shower cabin, which in general is a concept I do really like and it's really comfortable, but it's just, it's a dizzying pattern for me. I don't like it. And then [00:23:00] outside the shower cabin, the walls are painted in this very rich burgundy.

Again, according to Architectural Digest, it's Farrow & Ball Brinjal.

**Kate:** me.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, Oberjinn

**Kate:** yeah, it does. Yeah, that is right.

**Jennifer:** It's brilliant

**Kate:** color. Um, it looks very aubergine-y to me in these pictures. I don't like it. I

**Jennifer:** No, it's too dark for me. And what I don't like about it, I think I could like it a- as a standalone. What I don't like about it is it's, there's this huge kinda custom, um, vanity cabinet, double sink vanity cabinet

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** it, and the brown of that contra- it d- it doesn't go with the, with the wall for me at all.

**Kate:** Same.

**Jennifer:** but I like the large paneling. There's beautiful mirrors over each, um, of the sinks. We're back into that kind of Viola, you know, very deeply veined, heavily patterned marble. That works for me. I do quite like that. Um, and I don't hate the lights in here, although again, they're just too small for me

**Kate:** Yeah. No, I don't like it. I don't

**Jennifer:** You know, beautiful floor, beautiful, what are we looking at there? Limestone or some kind of stone Yeah

**Kate:** I don't... There's, there's very little I like about [00:24:00] that master bathroom, to be

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** like that big unit in

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** just like you said, not in this place. I like the shower with a normal tile, but I can't see a world where I'd like to shower in that

**Jennifer:** No, no, it's already making... Okay, I'm moving on picture-wise. Okay, that is the bathrooms. We're gonna move on to the bedrooms.

**Kate:** Love

**Jennifer:** I'm gonna flick forward first to the main, the main master bedroom. Um, I will start by saying what I love about this bedroom, again, I love those beautiful exposed beams on the ceiling.

I find that very cozy, lovely in a master bedroom, especially in the mountains. There's an open fireplace, which heaven on earth, can't go wrong.

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** that's where my love of this bedroom ends, actually.

**Kate:** I'm obsessed with this bedspread,

**Jennifer:** No, it's giving me a headache

**Kate:** to search the pattern or whatever, and I can't find it, but I love the bedspread. Now, the ditsy pattern wallpaper, she even says in the video, she was like, "I wasn't sure about this," and, you know, 'cause the pattern is so small and the room is so big, and she was like, "It's gonna

**Jennifer:** Yeah. [00:25:00] Yeah

**Kate:** think it's, the pattern on the wall in the video looks kinda restrained enough, actually. It's not overwhelming, but there is a lot going on in this bedroom in terms of pattern on pattern on pattern. But I think it's fun. I think it's a bedroom that'd be cozy to

**Jennifer:** It does look cozy, but the ditzy wallpaper pa- and I'm somebody who loves a wallpaper pattern and a repeating pattern, but there's too much wall space for me for this pattern. It's giving me, it's, it's, it's again making me kind of,

**Kate:** Busy.

**Jennifer:** an optical illusion or giving me a bit of dizziness or something like that.

The bedspread, yeah, I don't mind the bedspread. It's okay. It's just not really, it's not my style for a bed. I think I'd like it as maybe a couch throw or a

**Kate:** yeah, or a

**Jennifer:** pouf covering or, yeah, exactly, but I don't love it as a bed.

**Kate:** Yeah.

**Jennifer:** again, there's a rug in here that is kind of in, what would you call it, like Oriental style,

**Kate:** Yeah,

**Jennifer:** Persian.

Just, it just doesn't work for me in here at all. It's competing way too much. Yeah, the armchair's okay

**Kate:** armchair. I like the shape of the armchair. It really reminds me of the Finnline Willow chair, actually. Uh, like the

**Jennifer:** Oh, yeah.

**Kate:** it and stuff like that. And

**Jennifer:** Mm

**Kate:** [00:26:00] I love that with the caster kind of legs in the front. It's very classic.

Like, I don't think you could hate that chair, depending on the fabric color that you like. But, like, I think the chair itself is very classic.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah, I do like that

**Kate:** the other room, guest room, blah, besides the red iron bed, I don't know. There's nothing I love or hate in it. It's a bit all over the

**Jennifer:** Oh, we're opposite here 'cause I love this room. I think this, I lo- there's, there's this, there's this bold, like, really bright re- wrought iron red bed,

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** um, which I think is really nice. It's by Charles P. Rogers, uh, according to the article, and I, I think that's so ... I think, do you ever hear of red theory in interior design, where you just put an element of something red in a room, and it just changes everything completely and makes it work well?

So

**Kate:** But I think

**Jennifer:** that is working here for me.

**Kate:** The

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** the checkerboard shower, the red bed here, and I think if we have it, the, the red on the bunk beds as well,

**Jennifer:** Yeah, agreed. Um, there's a polka dot wallpaper in here, uh, by Lisa Fine Textiles, and I really like this [00:27:00] because from a bit, you know, from more of a distance, it fades much more, and it's a smaller wall space as well. But it fades and blends much more into a pattern. There isn't as much contrast as there is with the kind of ditzy floral print in the main bedroom.

So it's, it's blending. It's not giving me that headache. It's, it's just giving me lovely texture in the, in the background, and I really like that a lot. There's a lovely green stripey bedspread, which for me is contrasting so nicely with the red bed. Um, there's lovely wood floors and again, there's a kind of an inoffensive, uh, sea salt or jute or whatever, um, rug, which is fine.

Then there's this kind of blue tartan covered,

**Kate:** Just no.

**Jennifer:** ottoman at the end of the bed. It's

**Kate:** from the '90s?

**Jennifer:** not for me. Yeah, it's not for me. I don't like it

**Kate:** me of something that people would be giving away on adverts for free. Like,

**Jennifer:** Yeah. But I would love to, I'd love to sleep in this room. This is, it's really, it's glowy, it's really calm, it's beautiful. I, I really like it a lot.

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** It's working for me.

Then there's a thir- there's another guest [00:28:00] bedroom, a third or a second guest bedroom in the main house, which is four bunk beds. Um,

**Kate:** bunk beds

**Jennifer:** grown-up bunk beds, and I love bunk beds. I think they're so fun, and

**Kate:** Mm.

**Jennifer:** it's very much like, "Oh, everyone come on over, we'll have a sleepover. We'll have a fun night." Like, I'm sure there's been so much craic had, you know, for, for, in that, um, in that room, and it's, it's really fun for kids as well.

She talks about having her nieces and nephews over, you know, and her own future kids, and I, I love, I think that's so cute. And it, the color is Farrow & Ball Salon Drab. That's working for me, and then there's this bright red, very cool custom, um, wood ladder with lots of texture on it, and I love it.

**Kate:** ladder. It's

**Jennifer:** It's really working for me.

Yeah

**Kate:** the ladder, and she said that the red was her choice. She really wanted red in there,

**Jennifer:** It could,

**Kate:** and she

**Jennifer:** yeah

**Kate:** but I just think the red here really works.

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** the color, that kind of muddy, greeny color of the bunks, and I love the way [00:29:00] all the curtains on each of the bunks are different as well.

It's

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** bunk is a separate fun room for

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** I really thought was cool

**Jennifer:** I love that too. Again, there's a bit too much even in each individual bunk going on for me. There, it's just too contrasty. The patterns are too similar in size, and it's not blending well for me. It's all a bit jarring. But again, I think that can often be the intention.

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** it's cool. It's just a wall of bunk beds, like four big, you know, windows where you climb into each bed kind of, um, laid out.

I don't know how you get out of one bunk bed if the ladder is on the wrong side, but, you know, I

**Kate:** That's what

**Jennifer:** they've got it figured out.

**Kate:** as well. She was like, "Sorry to the people who stay up, up at the top because, you know, when you're trying to go to the toilet in the middle of the night, it's a bit dicey."

**Jennifer:** It's a bit dicey. I feel like an adult could jump down there fair enough.

**Kate:** Yeah.

**Jennifer:** Yeah. But overall, it's really fun. It's, you know, it's really playful.

Um, I, it's ... I like this room. It's a win for me.

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** Then we have out the back of the house a, uh, a third guest bedroom, which is in an Airstream Bambi[00:30:00] 

**Kate:** this? You must love this

**Jennifer:** Oh, I love it. Let's...

**Kate:** What?

**Jennifer:** The, again, as with all of this house, there's bits of it that I really like and bits of it that I just don't. Yeah, it's, it's so fun. Again, really fun, really playful. Um, why not put it out there? Why not have an extra room out there? You know, it's, it's such a good idea to have extra guest space, you know, in your house if you want.

I guess this can be moved if needs be. The interior decor, she has completely transformed the in- the interior decor of this Airstream with curved really rich dark wood paneling, and I love it. I think it looks spectacular. Like, I really love it

**Kate:** you gonna go redesign your camper van space now?

**Jennifer:** Yeah, big time. Yeah, I would,

**Kate:** a little tub, a little tubby in there, you know? Have

**Jennifer:** 100%.

**Kate:** bath in there and everything

**Jennifer:** So inside there's a double bed, gorgeous. There is this really cool kind of, um, cabinetry with wooden drawers and, um, and again, kind of a limey green, I guess, porcelain, uh, countertop. I love it. I think it works [00:31:00] really, really well. Um, it's beautiful. And then there's this gigantic metal tub, and I can't explain how much I hate that tub, but I just hate it.

I just don't like tubs in a bedroom. It needs to be somewhere else. Uh, no

**Kate:** I think it's like a big feeding trough or something. But I think it's, yeah, it's just fun. I don't

**Jennifer:** It's fun

**Kate:** probably ever actually been in that bath

**Jennifer:** Yeah, it's fun. It's just, it doesn't go... I don't, I just don't like op- exposed baths or showers or anything like that in a bedroom. I want it in a different room, put it away. But, you know, it is fun. It's really fun. I mean, how fun would it be to sleep out there? I would love it.

**Kate:** Yeah.

**Jennifer:** And then there is a cool little...

**Kate:** divided.

**Jennifer:** Yeah, there's a very cool little cabin bathroom in there that is all in, like, a very rich green. Again, kind of like slightly limey, olivey green checker pattern, and it's cool. So,

**Kate:** that's cool too.

**Jennifer:** there's a lot going on. We- that is it, yeah. There's a lot going on here

**Kate:** we're kind of divided. Like, would I design my house [00:32:00] like this? Not in a fit, but I can really appreciate it. I appreciate the kind of unexpected nature some of the design elements in each

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** boring, and I think actually, even though my house is pretty plain, I would say, I've definitely been influenced by Heidi Caillier over the last few years.

Like, I did do my wallpaper pattern attic space

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** between

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** buying and renovating, and my kind of paneled bathroom was definitely influenced by Heidi Caillier. So I think, like, I don't know, I think we have to say, "Heidi, hats off. You've kind of, you've made interior design not boring

**Jennifer:** Yes, agreed. Yeah. And she, yeah, Heidi, like incredibly talented interior designer, like a master of patterns. Um, if you're on YouTube, I have her website and her pr- portfolio up here. It's, you know, heidikaleerdesign.com. Um, browse her portfolio. I mean, the inspiration to be gotten from here is, is, it's exceptional, and I love [00:33:00] anyone that pushes, does something different and unexpected and pushes it.

I love it, and it's, it's a huge talent, and she's an amazing designer, but it isn't for me, which is fine. Not everything's for me

**Kate:** Um, but there's definitely lessons to be learned. Maybe not completely emulated, but you know, lessons to be learned

**Jennifer:** Yeah. So if you were to recreate this, if you were to tell, if a listener loved this house and was lucky enough to maybe have a mountain house and wanted to do something, what would you, what elements would you say are the learnings from this house?

**Kate:** said this in the podcast before, like if you're putting money somewhere, put it as the basis, right? So

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** base here is very solid.

**Jennifer:** Agreed

**Kate:** and then everything is layered upon it. That allows you to kind of transform it over time without doing major upgrades. So I think there's a real solid kitchen in here in that it's just plain wood.

I think, you know, the floors are generally fairly neutral, as in like wide planks, stuff like that, neutral paneled walls. [00:34:00] Paneling is timeless, you

**Jennifer:** Yeah.

**Kate:** You have paneling in your house as well, the tongue and

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** I think that tongue and groove paneling is just timeless and it fits in that kind of lodge.

**Jennifer:** It brings in texture where you might not otherwise have it without bringing in overwhelm, which I do love as a feature, yeah

**Kate:** And it can hide crappy walls as well if you're not doing plaster work and stuff, and you

**Jennifer:** Yeah

**Kate:** this kind of tongue and groove paneling. I think it's a great way of hiding cabinetry and things like that. So I think have a solid neutral base and, you know, spend on those finishes, and then over time collect mad stuff if

**Jennifer:** Yeah. Yeah

**Kate:** as your bravery goes up, you know, you can start putting in mad floral couches if you want.

**Jennifer:** I think the darkness and the real richness of the wood in this house are a lesson to be learned, and I don't think it's gonna work in every house. And, you know, like Jackson Hole, Wyoming, it's ... Jackson Hole, Wyoming, there's gonna be a lot of light coming through. Even in wintertime, you're surrounded by snow.

There's gonna be a lot of bright- brightness coming through. Difficult to recreate in Ireland. You know, we have really dark wood and dark [00:35:00] rooms. They stay dark. So it's a very ... You have to lean into the darkness. Um, I think red theory, if you've never heard of it, listener, just, you know, just Google red theory, and she uses it perfectly here.

A pop of red in every c- in every room I think works really, really well. Um, I think there's a huge lesson from her to just have fun. Like she ... We said at the start that she said she kinda micromanaged this, and you can ... One thing, I think maybe there's two very strong design personalities either working together in confluence if you love the house or competing a bit if you don't love it so much.

Um, but she clearly put her heart and soul into it. You know, she went, if what she says is to be believed, which why wouldn't it be? She went shopping for a lot of items herself. She leaned into, like, the local feel of the place, like the mountain, uh, retreat, kinda cabin style, um, or lodge style. The artwork, the books, the, you know, I don't know if the woman fishes, but there's fish everywhere.

Like, you know, it really reflects the environment and her having fun with

**Kate:** Yeah

**Jennifer:** place [00:36:00] in it, which I think is cool.

Um, so yeah, you know, bring your own knick-knacks and items to bear. Make them, put them on display. Make them interactive and fun and inviting. Um, yeah

**Kate:** this to last week in Carrie Bradshaw's apartment, and then on the opposite end almost of the spectrum is Sophie Habboo's house, and maybe even Athena Calderone's house. Like, their personality isn't coming through in those houses. They're beautiful and curated and cohesive, but like tho- this house and I think Carrie Bradshaw's apartment are oozing personality

**Jennifer:** They're oozing personality, and even though the place is spotless and perfect, you can tell there have been parties in that house. There have been so many evenings sitting around with wine, and up in the morning and getting out into the mountains, and, like, all back for lu- like, you can really feel the energy and the welcome.

It's so welcoming. It's so welcoming, and maybe that's what that kind of [00:37:00] kitschy fabric patterns do very well, is make it very welcoming.

Yeah. We'd love to hear from you if you love it or hate it. We're divided, but

**Kate:** we're

**Jennifer:** that's okay.

**Kate:** Who's

**Jennifer:** We'll put a poll.

**Kate:** or Jen?

**Jennifer:** And we'll be back with a new series next week. We have a really exciting new series lined up that we've been working super hard on. Um, where this one has leaned into looking at other people's houses, we're very much coming back to renovation, how to renovate, tips for you from the pros. We'll say no more, but tune in next week.

We'll be with you.

**Kate:** mouth

**Jennifer:** From the horse's mouth. Yeah. All right. Let us know what you thought of the series, and we'll see you next week

**Kate:** Bye




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