Unboxing the History of Camp Wallace

Did you know Camp Wallace once served as a training facility for soldiers, housed POWs, and even served as a morgue? In this episode of Unboxing History, hosts Christine Hopkins and Jodi Wright-Gidley from the Galveston County Museum, delve into the history of Camp Wallace, a World War II military camp located in what is now Jack Brooks Park in Galveston County. They examine artifacts related to the camp, including a handkerchief, a pillowcase, a postcard, and a separation center brochure. Guest speaker Shana Rawls, who wrote a book on Camp Wallace, shares detailed insights about the camp's functions, its layout, and its significance during and after the war. The episode also highlights the Galveston County Museum's efforts to preserve and educate the public about the area's rich military history, inviting listeners to visit the museum and explore the remnants of Camp Wallace.

Special thanks to the Galveston Chamber of Commerce for their ongoing support and Shawn Schoellkopf for creating and performing the theme music.

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Episode 11

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[00:00:16] Christine Hopkins: Welcome to Unboxing History. I'm Christine Hopkins, co host of the Unboxing History podcast presented by the Galveston County Museum. 

[00:00:24] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And I'm Jodi Wright Gidley, director of the Galveston County Museum. 

[00:00:27] Christine Hopkins: As part of Unboxing History. Every month we unbox an artifact that's part of the museum's collection.

[00:00:35] Christine Hopkins: So Jodi, what's the artifact for this month? 

[00:00:39] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So in honor of Veterans Day, we've chosen a military topic to talk about in November. And so, what I'm about to unbox are things that are related to Camp Wallace. Camp Wallace was a camp that served in many different ways, and we'll talk about those. It was on the mainland of Galveston County, and it [00:01:00] is what is now Jack Brooks Park.

[00:01:02] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so Camp Wallace was in World War II time period. And so what I have in my box to unbox today are things from Camp Wallace. So this is a handkerchief, um, with Camp Wallace logo on it. And I also have a pillowcase. Which to me, I've always thought, I just thought these things are very, um, odd to come from a military site, but we're going to talk more later about, you know, the significance of these.

[00:01:30] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so there are many pillowcases that have different messages from Camp Wallace, and I think they were pretty much designed to send back home to your family. So they'll have a little bit of a souvenir of where you were. And so this one has a poem on the back, uh, to a mother. 

[00:01:48] Christine Hopkins: Do you want to read that?

[00:01:49] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so it says, To one who bears the sweetest name and adds a luster to the same, Who shares my joys and cheers when sad, The greatest friend [00:02:00] I ever had. Long life to her, for there's no other could take the place of my dear mother. 

[00:02:05] Christine Hopkins: Oh my gosh, that it makes you tear up. Oh wow. 

[00:02:10] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Um, another thing I have is a postcard.

[00:02:12] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so this is a postcard of a flag raising ceremony that took place at Camp Wallace in 1941. And this one has a message on the back that I thought was pretty cute. It says, Having a good time, the Army life is not so bad, only it is very hot here. And so this soldier sent his postcard, I assume back home to where he lived and it's in, going to Pennsylvania.

[00:02:36] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Oh, where in Pennsylvania? Tremont. It looks like it says Tremont, maybe Fremont. The writing is a little difficult to read. And then the Camp Wallace also served as a separation center for as the war was ending and soldiers were going back home, the Navy sent guys to Camp Wallace to be processed out.

[00:02:56] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so this is a little brochure that says, Going Home. [00:03:00] Well, it won't be long now. And so inside of it are all of these instructions on what day you're supposed to leave, what you should wear, what time is breakfast, lunch, and dinner, because you stayed at the separation center and went through the process for a couple of days, three days or so.

[00:03:18] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And um, so this one was really interesting to me because my grandfather was at Camp Wallace. So he served in the Navy during World War II and he was at Camp Wallace for his processing out process. And so he would have gotten something just like this that had his name inside and his time to report and that kind of thing.

[00:03:38] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so it was very interesting. So we're going to get all into the history of Camp Wallace today. 

[00:03:43] Christine Hopkins: Well, there's a lot of history, uh, related to Camp Wallace and I'm excited to learn about it because I'm not very familiar with it. So I hear we have an expert. 

[00:03:51] Jodi Wright-Gidley: We do. I love having guest speakers who can tell us everything about everything.

[00:03:56] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So today we have Shana Rawls and she wrote a book all about Camp Wallace. [00:04:00] And she is an expert on the subject, so that's who we're going to have. 

[00:04:03] Christine Hopkins: Well, I'm going to turn it over to Jodi for this interview. 

[00:04:05] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So Shana, what got you started in researching and being interested in Camp Wallace history? 

[00:04:10] Shana Rawls: Well, years ago, my granddaughter and I, we would travel all over the community and take photos of different historical markers. And we would try and substantiate what was in the markers. And then I would write a Fun Fact Friday, pretty much every Friday, based on what was in the historical marker.

[00:04:32] Shana Rawls: Um, years later, Ralph Stenzel, our director, he walked in the museum, he had an aerial photo, and he placed it on the counter, and he thought it was the blimp base, a photo of the blimp base. Well, we looked at it and I said, no, I think that's the road that goes into Camp Wallace, which is Jack Brooks Park, because it splits.

[00:04:58] Shana Rawls: And based on [00:05:00] my research, I knew what the, what the road looked like. And then Robert Bear, he's, he was our president. He said, there's water tanks there right there. And those water tanks are still out there. So we left the museum , left it to somebody to hold the fort down, and we took off and we draped through the brush and sure enough the tanks were there.

[00:05:27] Shana Rawls: So that kind of started it with the clearing of the land and actually getting so involved. And then, uh, Robert Bear and myself, we wrote this book on Camp Wallace, and it's pretty much everything that you need to know about Camp Wallace. 

[00:05:44] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So how big was Camp Wallace? I mean, how many acres are we talking about? 

[00:05:48] Shana Rawls: Okay. It was 1600 acres, and it went all the way from the Catholic Church, Our Lady of Lourdes on Highway 6, uh, and actually the [00:06:00] County Fair building, right there on Highway 6, went from there all the way to 1764.

[00:06:07] Shana Rawls: Where the dog track is, well, was, but it was huge. And then, they actually, our government took that land by eminent domain. So they actually had that land, but then they leased 1, 600 acres. additional acres for the rifle range. So it was big. It was very big. 

[00:06:29] Jodi Wright-Gidley: The rifle range was part of Camp Wallace? 

[00:06:31] Shana Rawls: Yes.

[00:06:31] Jodi Wright-Gidley: That was part of the training?

[00:06:32] Shana Rawls: Yes. Yes. 

[00:06:32] Jodi Wright-Gidley: The book that you have, that you've written, it tells the history of Camp Wallace and is, what, I'm sure it's full of great photos, what are some of your favorite photos from the book?

[00:06:41] Shana Rawls: Um, well, pictures of the men marching and it's kind of fun when, there's a lot of postcards, there were, there were many, many postcards, and. You find a postcard, the men are marching, [00:07:00] and then you can kind of look in the background and figure out where they were located when they were marching. And there was two huge water tanks that were above ground tanks on the north end of the camp.

[00:07:14] Shana Rawls: And so, I kind of look for the water tanks and try and visualize where they're at. They had what they called a special hospital. I don't really know what was special about the hospital, but they said it was comparable, or actually had more beds than Galveston. And the hospital was set up, it was kind of an outdoor set up, even though they had buildings, but they had coverings that joined all the buildings so that they could transport the patients, you know, from one building to the next.

[00:07:47] Shana Rawls: Um, and that, that's actually on the north end of the camp. The way the camp was laid out, um, it, it was in different areas. Area 1, [00:08:00] 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, I think is how it went. And based on the building number, if the building number was 601. That would be in Area 6. So you would know, kind of, based on the building number, where you needed to go.

[00:08:17] Shana Rawls: Um, and the hospital was 100, or that was Area 1. And then a lot of the barracks were lined up in 2, 3, and 4. And then 5 was the colored encampment area. And then 6 was the POW area. And then the rest of it, actually not, the nine area, area nine, is Jack Brooks Park. Okay. So, the rest of it kind of belongs to University of Houston.

[00:08:49] Shana Rawls: They own 925 acres and then, um, the, I think it's 644 acres that the [00:09:00] county owns that's considered Jack Brooks Park. I know when you go out to Jack Brooks Park today, you even have brochures that people can pick up. And that will give them the information about Camp Wallace and the interpretive signage that y'all have out there that tells more of the story on each site area.

[00:09:16] Shana Rawls: And then the book also tells a lot. This will be everything that you need to know about Camp Wallace. 

[00:09:22] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So, Camp Wallace, I know, served a lot of different functions. I mean, for my grandfather, he was discharged, and it was the separation center for the Navy later after World War II.

[00:09:34] Jodi Wright-Gidley: But what was it all during World War II? What other things happened there? 

[00:09:38] Shana Rawls: Um, well, they did training. Thirteen weeks. Well, they had 13 weeks of training and then they would get a new batch of, actually it was Army, it started out Army, a new batch of people to train and then they would turn them, and then, uh, do training for [00:10:00] 13 more weeks.

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[00:10:01] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Um, so, as, so we know that it was a training center, like you've talked about.

[00:10:05] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Um, was it also a place where POWs were held? 

[00:10:08] Shana Rawls: Yes, uh, there were 500 prisoners of war that were stationed there. They actually were behind like, um, barbed wire fence. They had one certain area that they, um, stayed in. And they actually, the POWs liked it there because they weren't shot at. Um, they got to kind of, well they got to cook and clean, they went and worked in the fields.

[00:10:36] Shana Rawls: They, um, you know, they actually liked it there. 

[00:10:40] Jodi Wright-Gidley: I've only heard good stories and I've often wondered, is that reality? But I, I'm thinking it must have been. 

[00:10:46] Shana Rawls: Some of them actually stayed after the war, they stayed here. They didn't go back home. 

[00:10:52] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And then I heard even some of them, they were, like you said, they worked, but some of them even went to Friendswood and picked figs.

[00:10:59] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yes. And so [00:11:00] it was a lot of farm work they did. 

[00:11:01] Shana Rawls: Dickinson, Friendswood. Uh, Alta Loma, Arcadia, Hitchcock, they worked in a lot of fields. Yes. They were farmed out. Yeah. In the morning, they would drop them off. And then in the afternoon, they would pick them up, take them back to camp. 

[00:11:16] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yeah. Well, so, I know, you know, we've talked about Camp Wallace is where you can actually go visit today in Jack Brooks Park and there's all these different foundations and stuff.

[00:11:24] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Tell us more about what was there? What was life like? I mean, I think they certainly had places. Barracks to sleep in, churches to go to. Theaters... So what was life like?

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[00:11:35] Shana Rawls: It was a whole community set up. Yes, they had a service club that was real, real fancy. Um, there was one strip through the place that was like what I would call the better part of town.

[00:11:48] Shana Rawls: And they had a big theater, seated 1, 000 men. Um, then they had the service club, they had, um, the officer's [00:12:00] headquarters and, um, anyway it was, that, that part of town is actually not in Jack Brooks Park though, it's, it's part of University of Houston's Park. property. 

[00:12:12] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Okay. And I've been out to Camp Wallace, the site today at Jack Brooks Park, and I know that I can see some foundations and some bricks, but I don't really remember what all of those were.

[00:12:24] Jodi Wright-Gidley: What you can see, was that barracks or wasn't there also a bakery there? 

[00:12:29] Shana Rawls: Those are warehouses, yes. The bakery, um, they actually baked 10, 000 loaves of bread a day. 

[00:12:36] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Oh my gosh. 

[00:12:37] Shana Rawls: One loaf of bread per every man. Now I don't know how big the loaves were. But, um, and then there's water tanks out there that we've uncovered.

[00:12:48] Shana Rawls: Uh, that started it. with the clearing. And then if you go around the circle, if you go in Jack Brooks Park, you can actually drive around and see the signage that [00:13:00] we have out there telling you what each thing was. And one of the things that I'm, I guess, most proud of is there's one foundation out there that's called, uh, well, It was the coal storage facility.

[00:13:15] Shana Rawls: And it actually served a dual history. Um, well actually the whole camp served a dual history. During the war, you know, it was used. They hung meat in the, in the freezer. They had eggs and things like that that they kept cold in the refrigeration building. It was a whole building for that. But then, after the 1947 disaster, they actually housed the bodies in that same facility, so that people could come look at their, and you know, see if their loved ones were there.

[00:13:51] Shana Rawls: So we have pictures of caskets. It's all lined up on the steps of that building. But then they opened the camp to house, [00:14:00] um, families that were displaced from the disaster. 

[00:14:04] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Okay. So you're talking about, just for everyone who may not be aware of, it's the 1947 explosion that happened in Texas City. 

[00:14:12] Shana Rawls: Yes, April 16th, yes.

[00:14:14] Jodi Wright-Gidley: That's a big part of our county history. 

[00:14:15] Shana Rawls: Yes, it is. There's a lot of Galveston history or history right here in this area. 

[00:14:21] Shana Rawls: Yes.

[00:14:21] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Um, so, you know, the things that we unboxed earlier, uh, tell us about the pillowcases. Aren't there a lot of different kinds? Yes.

[00:14:29] Jodi Wright-Gidley: What are they about? Tell us more. 

[00:14:30] Shana Rawls: I don't really know too much about, about them. I know a lot of them are different. I've never seen two that are alike. They, uh, we did, actually happened to find one on eBay that was a Navy pillowcase. Most all of them that I've ever seen are Army. But there was one Navy, so it's kind of special.

[00:14:52] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So the idea was really just to send them back home to your mom or your girlfriend or something like that? 

[00:14:56] Shana Rawls: Yes, I don't think they actually used them there. Yes, [00:15:00] they just bought them in the PX and sent them home. 

[00:15:02] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So, the Camp Wallace book is very extensive. Like, how many pages is it? 

[00:15:06] Shana Rawls: 500. 

[00:15:07] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So, that's a lot of words, but what else is in the book? 

[00:15:11] Shana Rawls: A lot. A lot of postcards.

[00:15:14] Shana Rawls: Um, and I'm very grateful that the postcards were around at that time because they kind of tell a story. Okay. Um, I researched, um, the Galveston Daily News. So there's a lot of news articles in here. A lot of photos. Um, a lot of, well, photos that we had at the museum, or I got from Ralph Stenzel, or purchased on eBay.

[00:15:41] Shana Rawls: A lot of, a lot of eBay in this book also. But it's 500 packed pages, but it's not all reading. There's some reading, but a lot of photos, a lot of pictures. And some pages are in color, and it just tells about the camp and the layout of the camp. [00:16:00] And um, there's maps, different maps, quite a few different maps of the camp.

[00:16:06] Shana Rawls: And hopefully people will get the book. And um, actually research, I have had a lot of people buy the book and then they have a million questions and, you know, we help them and they've actually researched on their own and came up with different things that we didn't know, so, so it's fun. 

[00:16:28] Jodi Wright-Gidley: I mean, there have been people at Camp Wallace from all over the country.

[00:16:32] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So, you know, people can read the book, and they can go and actually visit the, what's left of Camp Wallace. What do you want people to take away if they want to learn about it or go visit? What do you want them to learn and take away?

[00:16:44] Shana Rawls: Well I would like, one thing I would like for Camp Wallace not to be forgotten about. I think it was real close to being forgotten. Um, I would like for them to know that we have a rich history right [00:17:00] here in our own area and hopefully people will appreciate that, you know, years from now. 

[00:17:07] Jodi Wright-Gidley: What I think about is, you know, my grandfather has passed away and our generations that served in World War II are quickly passing away. And so before they do, we want to capture their story. 

[00:17:18] Shana Rawls: Yes, we do. 

[00:17:19] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so I think everyone should appreciate, uh, if they can, to talk to those relatives that are still around and ask them about their experience. 

[00:17:25] Shana Rawls: Well, and one of the things that we have, too, at our museum, we have a Camp Wallace building that we've just recently refurbished that's on the back side, back behind our old school museum.

[00:17:38] Shana Rawls: And we set it up for nothing but military and Camp Wallace. So please come visit us at the Old School Museum also. It's on Highway 6 and Warpath Avenue. Um, the Camp Wallace building has been, I guess it's taken about two years to refurbish. We're not quite [00:18:00] finished with it yet, but hopefully one of these days, um, it, I'm in hopes that the lady that's over University of Houston property.

[00:18:11] Shana Rawls: Her and I have been working out there trying to find different, um, um, ruins. And we, we've worked real hard to um, kind of identify things out there. And we want to set up county wide tours to start at her, well, actually probably start at our museum. People park at our museum, get on a bus, we go out to campus Wallace out at University of Houston, then go to Jack Brooks Park, tour the park, you know, all the ruins that are in the park, then come back up to our museum and tour our museum, our, it's a military museum, so.

[00:18:52] Jodi Wright-Gidley: I think that'd be great. Yeah. Um, so after. The Camp Wallace shut down. You mentioned one of the buildings moved [00:19:00] to where you are near Santa Fe ISD. What happened to where a lot of the buildings moved and used for other things? 

[00:19:06] Shana Rawls: Yes, yes. 

[00:19:06] Jodi Wright-Gidley: What happened to the camp? 

[00:19:07] Shana Rawls: Uh, it, when it, it was sold. piece was sold for surplus and the school actually bought seven of the buildings.

[00:19:16] Shana Rawls: One of them is still around. Well, of course, the one we have is still there, but there's another one that the school bought. They don't actually own it anymore and it was the bus barn. Our building was used, uh, originally to, um, house the kids for a school cafeteria. And so it was part of our building that we're in now.

[00:19:40] Shana Rawls: That was just an extension and they used it as a cafeteria and over the years it's been different things. It was school rooms, it was the field house, and now it's a museum. 

[00:19:52] Shana Rawls: This was, uh, A COVID project, couldn't go [00:20:00] anywhere or do anything. So I researched. 

[00:20:03] Jodi Wright-Gidley: All right. 

[00:20:04] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So, as you were researching for this book, what is something that you came across that really surprised you?

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[00:20:09] Shana Rawls: One of the things is a poem that was written by someone that was actually stationed out at Camp Wallace. Um, his name was, um, Uh, P. L. Mainbetter, and he wrote this poem titled, A Hitch in Hell.

[00:20:26] Shana Rawls: I'm sitting here and thinking of the things I left behind. I hate to put on paper what is going through my mind. We've dug a million ditches, And we've cleaned 10 miles of ground. We've drunk our beer and whiskey in every joint in town. But there is one consolation, gather round me while I tell. When we die, we'll go to heaven, for we've done our hitch in hell.

[00:20:54] Shana Rawls: And the poem goes on, but the end of it's kind of cute. When the final [00:21:00] taps are sounded, and we've laid aside life's cares, we'll stand our last inspection on the shining stairs. The angels there will welcome us, a harp will sharply play, we'll draw a million canteen books and spend them in a day. Then we'll hear St. Peter tell us loudly with a yell. Take a seat you boys from Wallace. You've done your hitch in hell. 

[00:21:28] Jodi Wright-Gidley: I like that. 

[00:21:29] Shana Rawls: Anyway, I thought it was cute.

[00:21:30] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So you mentioned where the museum is in Santa Fe at Warpath and Highway 6. When is it open? 

[00:21:37] Shana Rawls: It's open every, well Monday through Saturday from 9 a. m. till noon. Then on Tuesdays and Thursdays, we're actually open a little later. We're open until 3. Okay. So, come see us

[00:21:50] Christine Hopkins: One of the best parts about this Unboxing History podcast series is that there's always something, you know, so many of us think we know [00:22:00] so much history about this area and so much about Galveston, including me.

[00:22:04] Christine Hopkins: But every time we do a podcast. I think you and I both learned something, and we hope that the people listening or watching the podcast are also learning something. So it was so wonderful to hear about Camp Wallace, you know, and these museums that are available in the county. So you know, for people that haven't been to the museum, there's a whole section about our military heritage in Galveston County, um, and of course, of course, as part of that we have the Camp Wallace exhibit, but what else do we have? I mean, beyond that? 

[00:22:36] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yeah. So, um, our museum has a whole section about the military history of the county. It was all designed by Galveston County Historical Commission members who have really led the way with researching and preserving our military history. And so Galveston County's military history is, is really large.

[00:22:53] Jodi Wright-Gidley: You start with the formation of Galveston and the formation of Texas and they had a Navy, you had the Battle of Galveston [00:23:00] here during the Civil War. We had Camp Wallace. We had Fort Travis on the, on Bolivar Peninsula. We had Fort San Jacinto and Fort Crockett on Galveston Island. So the whole county was quite, has quite a military history.

[00:23:14] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And we tell some of that here, we really, it's, it's highlighting and featuring photos and a little bit of information about every military installation that was, has been in the county. You know, we had a blimp base here. We've, we've talked about that before. Texas City was actually the site of one of the very first groups of soldiers who were flying and, and experimenting with the idea of planes being a part of the military, which is huge today, but back then it was a brand new idea. And so if you come to the museum, you'll get to see photos and learn about all of those places. 

[00:23:48] Christine Hopkins: Well, so for people that are interested in doing more research, what type of research materials are here as part of the museum collection?

[00:23:55] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So besides what you can see when you come to visit our exhibit hall, we also [00:24:00] have many more artifacts that are in storage that we can use for research questions, if people have, are researching this topic. We have a research library. We have the historical marker files. So if you are doing a research subject and it's about military history, let us know because maybe we can help you out or point you to an expert who knows even more.

[00:24:19] Christine Hopkins: Yes, there's lots of wonderful experts in the area. Well, and, and for those of you that may have family members that served in the military and were grew up in Galveston County. Is that something you might I'd be interested in as far as adding to your collection? 

[00:24:34] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Definitely. Um, we collect anything at the museum that has to do with Galveston County history and that includes personal family stories of people who have lived here and served in the military.

[00:24:44] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yes, definitely. And I also think that people should, um, think about visiting if they can, you know, there's history that happens and you may never get to see the place that it happened, but Camp Wallace and our military sites around Galveston County are places you can still visit and see remnants [00:25:00] and, and to be in that place of history is special. 

[00:25:03] Christine Hopkins: Well, you talked about exploring the parks with your kids. 

[00:25:06] Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yeah, so, um, I live near Camp Wallace, or what is Jack Brooks Park now, and so as my kids were growing up, I have two boys, and you know, it's not always easy to find something that teenage boys want to do with their families, but that's what we did.

[00:25:20] Jodi Wright-Gidley: We went out to Jack Brooks Park, and they have geocaches that tell the story of Camp Wallace. There's historical markers you can read about Camp Wallace. And so that was one of the adventures we did is go out and see that. 

[00:25:32] Christine Hopkins: And you have a geocache here as well. 

[00:25:34] Jodi Wright-Gidley: We do. We have a geocache out in the front area of our building.

[00:25:39] Jodi Wright-Gidley: And so you can look for that. 

[00:25:42] Christine Hopkins: Well, if people are interested in coming to visit the Galveston County Museum, when are you open? 

[00:25:48] Jodi Wright-Gidley: So the museum is located inside the county building that's at 722 Moody or 21st Street. We are open for free on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays from 10 to 4. If you want to do a [00:26:00] private tour or book our fun Padlock Mystery Game, you give us a call or email and book that with us on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[00:26:08] Christine Hopkins: And for those of you that don't know, the Padlock Mystery Tour is, it's ideal for families. It's also ideal for just a multi-generational group or just groups that want to do some team building because you're kind of following along, you're looking for these different clues and finding the solution and you have the museum all to yourself.

[00:26:25] Christine Hopkins: So it's really a great experience. Well, thank you so much. I think, uh, again, you can find Unboxing History everywhere where you listen to your podcasts. And, uh, again, it is so much fun to learn something new every time. 

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