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Here at Realer Than Most Podcast, we believe that hip-hop/rap is more than just music its a cultured lifestyle, and a way of expressing oneself. we are based out of Philadelphia tri-state area that's why we focus on artist who are not only skilled in their craft but also have a unique perspective and voice. our goal is to provide a platform for these rising stars to share their stories and connect with their fans on a deeper level.
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I AM STATE PROPERTY...3 I FEAT. OSCHINO VASQUEZ I RTM PODCAST SZN 2 I EP 11
What if the vibrant streets of Philadelphia held the secret to creative success across music, movies, and entrepreneurship? Legendary guest OSCHINO VASQUEZ reveals how his journey from the city's neighborhoods to the heights of fame is fueled by collaboration and a deep commitment to supporting young talent. From his early days in radio to his influence on fashion and music, Skino's stories paint a vivid picture of a life dedicated to cultural innovation and artistic unity.
Join us as our guest, O, brings the gritty reality of North Philly during the crack era to life, sharing personal tales that highlight resilience and the importance of mental health. The "State Property" DVDs played a crucial role in shaping rap culture, and we explore their lasting legacy alongside O’s experiences growing up in a turbulent yet iconic time. This episode is a heartfelt reminder of the power of community, the evolution of platforms like podcasts, and the critical role they play in empowering the next generation.
From youthful exploits in West Philly to a life-altering decision to join the military, these narratives capture the essence of transformation and survival. With stories of juvenile detention, courtroom dramas, and unexpected fame from a movie debut, we explore the raw realities of life and the profound impact of environment on artistry. This episode is a testament to the power of perseverance, highlighting how opportunities and resilience can rewrite one’s story in the most unexpected ways.
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Speaker 2:My name is skino vast quest. Yeah, what's up y'all? Yeah, what's up we like oh, first of all, we in philly, we have fully right now, yeah yeah, we're here.
Speaker 5:So, oh, my goodness, y'all from south philly, I'm from south philly, he's from town
Speaker 2:where you from I'm from germantown, east germantown so south philly, north philly, what's all? That's all in the same room, right? And nobody's killing each other, nobody's arguing with the body, it's nothing, it's all love, right? I mean that's how philly should be. I mean if, because imagine if everybody from philly with all the talent working together to be over.
Speaker 3:It'd be crazy that's what we're on that's what we'd be pushing over here, though they're really the most and good things going on tonight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's how that's how I've been my whole, my whole. If you look at all my old cds, I always make sure I had somebody that wasn't signed on there. Oh, every, every joint, and I should go get them to do it. I I mean so like module, my first seat, I got twister on there. I got that's going platinum on this. I could have just been doing that. I said, no, I gotta get these young things on. They hot, just need to hear them.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, yeah period and I never said I want to be a manager, or none of that. I don't want any, yeah, so like that was the thing was, though, y'all need to be heard yo man, I mean this crazy man we going to do it the right way, we got a legend.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to keep it a B. I got so much respect for this dude. I'm going to let somebody who was actually in the era because I don't want to miss things, I'm going to let white boy run it down Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I don't know you. White boy, White boy the white boy.
Speaker 4:Okay, white boy, okay, he's still kind of like 26. Oh yeah, so you know, here on relative most podcast it's just like we got the legend today. We got the legend on here that that has uh, illustrious career and and spin.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about from dvds to uh lps to eps, to mixtapes, movies. You know what I mean. He also an entrepreneur and 97.
Speaker 1:Don't forget that, because that's what started. You can't forget 97.
Speaker 6:that's what started it. You can't forget, hot, I'm 97. That's what started it. Cops running through the booth Fucking my boots up.
Speaker 1:And then I think, and then, not to cut you off, I think that Oski was the first, because we got people shout out, jack Frost and people like that.
Speaker 2:Shout out Jack Frost, the tag yeah me all of them.
Speaker 1:But the way it's just like Phones. Phones on silent, please the mechanic to the barber to the painting to the.
Speaker 2:You know what it is. Artists.
Speaker 1:That's just all a part of your status, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you the truth, though, bro. I don't think I was even supposed to be a rapper. If I had a family and regular shit, I wouldn't have been a rapper. I was terrified to be rapping. I didn't want to rap in front of people. I was just up and I just had to. I had to find a way to make my gosh.
Speaker 5:I was shot up, I had a way to live at.
Speaker 2:I mean I just found a way to make money. Yeah, I gotta find something I can stick with and don't quit. And I just picked that and I just took that. Keep going, man, okay period.
Speaker 1:So so we got the movies we got the pan we got the barber.
Speaker 4:We got the entrepreneurship. We got the swag.
Speaker 5:We can't forget the swag can't forget that.
Speaker 6:You can't forget the swag.
Speaker 4:You can't forget that because, oh, I ain't gonna front like. That's why I'm saying like, because um like one of my best friends is. Is is your folks. Little brother, you used to drop boxer team team rock shit off. We used to go through that shit. I want this shirt, I want these shorts, like. You know what I'm saying, bro, you Best of old. Part two Boxers of fucking Mixed tapes. We used to run through that shit. Have them in our delts.
Speaker 2:You know, tim used to always have a grand marquise, so that shit used to be Knocking through his shit, kn used to be like yo, bro, that's the best shit I had like a thousand young boys bro 55th and Thompson.
Speaker 4:Bro, that was the best spot bro white boy never ran, nobody down like this.
Speaker 5:That was the best spot bro white boy used to be the khaki. I'm that nigga joint.
Speaker 4:He was like yo he used to do that bro, I'm trying to tell you, bro, you sad you. This is why I love coupes, yeah you know, I like coupes two-seaters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I love coupes yeah, you don't like coupes.
Speaker 4:Two-seaters yeah, you don't like coupes, bro, two-seaters, because you pull up on Thompson Street, you got the coupe.
Speaker 1:You got to get it out, though, the Oskenovans. All right, all right, the Oskenovans.
Speaker 6:Oskenovans.
Speaker 5:Random applause man Random applause.
Speaker 6:We showed you that no-transcript Two-seater 10 SI man.
Speaker 4:You see O coming through chains, hitting the lid. A rocker wear rubber. I'm talking about bro butters. Oh, what's that? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Computer shit wasn't out though.
Speaker 2:That computer shit wasn't out.
Speaker 2:Wasn't out. Yo Nah, listen, when I brought my rims, see, rims used to cost a lot back in the day, back then, yeah, yeah, but to get them painted nobody, you ain't seen nobody having no painted rim. But then to have it on what it cost 80 bands and rims cost like 20 bands you kill, can't nobody not doing nothing to it. I mean, and everywhere you go, you get in love because you give it to everybody. Everything you got, whether it's gang, whether you put them on something. I mean that's how. That's how you know you're special. You're special for people. You can't go to your head. You got a 10 guards and the security you can't go to. You're not special, right? You're not doing something, right? You shouldn't be worried about nobody robbing you. Because you rich, you don you gotta rob. I mean, of course you won't, because my thing is this when people know you really got love for them, people know you're faking it or not. When you really try, niggas call you and go get up. I got something for you to do. They have a different respect because you don't got to do it. Most niggas don't do it Right. But my thing is this when you do good in the, I was good.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you a story. I'm in Dallas prison, right? A nigga keep looking at me, right? I'm like this nigga, keep on looking at me every time, get the grizzly. You know what I mean I'm like. So one day, we in the dentist office early in the morning, just me and him. I'm like, yo, bro, how you going to keep of it? I said that's what you want to tell me, bro. I'm thinking of some bro. I'm thinking of some bro. I mean, I was like, I was thinking about it. You got a big ass bear, a big husky boy. I'm like, like, for real, like yeah, yeah, man, I never forget that I wanted to tell you, but I want to tell you for that reason, yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Look, before we continue, make sure y'all share, like, subscribe, comment, Comment. You don't? You're a?
Speaker 1:motherfucking hater. Because it's free, let's get into this. You know, man, all right.
Speaker 2:Skino Vezquez. You already know how we started off most podcasts.
Speaker 4:We do our due diligence up here and, like today, we got old skin though. So it's like I. We know you yesterday, tomorrow, tomorrow, that's my god team. Now he's crazy, bro. I used to watch state property dvd bro, the, the, the deleted scenes. Sun don't shine video. Let me ask you a question, do y'all?
Speaker 2:think state property. Started the dvd, made the dvd ever I think, I think I think dvd.
Speaker 1:As in what?
Speaker 2:but, people start wonder rap people start, not about the Dvds, it was it was? I think it was almost, but I'm simple, like it's like when we did, I'm gonna be seven. After the shit, the seat, first a property junkie. My everybody Start rapping like way more about this, about this big day.
Speaker 4:Oh no, I'm so sure. Up here we do our due diligence and today we got old Skeeno, you know what I'm saying so we're going to do this the right way Before you do your due diligence.
Speaker 3:Man, let's go how y'all feeling, though?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Y'all know how y'all feel. We big on mental health up here.
Speaker 2:Fucked up, but I'm just going to go out there. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, oh oh.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh oh.
Speaker 6:Oh.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
Speaker 6:Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh.
Speaker 1:Oh, Before we get into anything, man, because you never know what people are going through, we ask everybody how they feeling. So how you feeling, white boy?
Speaker 4:So come on, man, we got O up here today. Yeah, I know how your boy feeling.
Speaker 1:You ain't even got to go to me.
Speaker 4:I feel good man, I feel super good, bro, we got O up here. There's some legendary shit we ready to do and I'm just ready to go.
Speaker 1:How you feel Cole.
Speaker 3:I feel excited, man Excited. Yeah, I'm excited because I already know what we headed to do right now. I know our lineup right now. Yo, we do this for y'all. So like subscribe man, share. Like comment, subscribe. I'm doing what y'all doing. Don't be a hater. Hit that fucking button. How much money do you get paid for pie? I don't get no fucking money. How?
Speaker 2:much. You get Not yet.
Speaker 3:Not yet how much you get.
Speaker 1:Not yet. Y'all will.
Speaker 3:Y'all will we do this for?
Speaker 2:y'all.
Speaker 3:We ain't tripping though we definitely ain't tripping, but we love it.
Speaker 4:We love it.
Speaker 3:We love it. This shit is for them, for sure. Yeah, it's for y'all, though, for sure. All right, let's go how?
Speaker 1:you feeling hoe.
Speaker 2:I feel, cool today. Cool. Yeah, I feel cool today. I feel happy to be here, I mean in Philly. I like supporting the young guys from Philly anyway, right, anywhere, really, if you're black because you got a heart, you know what I mean. Y'all gotta be outside, y'all young. I mean it's dangerous out here and people, everybody look at all the others, the same who young, y'all young than me, all of us.
Speaker 1:He banged me his arm. That's not to me. They old. My daughter older than you.
Speaker 2:Don't take that away from us. You know what's crazy, though I'm a young boy cause we're the old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was watching him as a young boy. He was born in 2000. He was born like 2011 or something.
Speaker 1:Stop playing with me. You born in 2000? 97.
Speaker 4:When you rap for DMX in the hotel.
Speaker 1:He was what I was being born.
Speaker 4:He was being born when Jadakiss was your man.
Speaker 2:I ain't afraid, though, bro, I'm jealous. I'm not young. That's why I get young was a hard time. Sometimes, I just be jealous.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yo, he that's why I get young was a hard time for some of
Speaker 2:these be jealous.
Speaker 3:But I want to get a shortcut to the youngins. No for sure you know, what I mean, especially the ones that want it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Plus young boys. They must have got to come from somebody that they know been through the shit that they going through.
Speaker 3:That At least a blueprint bro.
Speaker 4:We gotta at least Lay the landscape down. Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Do diligence.
Speaker 2:Alright, this wasn't available when I was young. A podcast, it wasn't even a such thing, right Alright, so you know.
Speaker 4:Where you from, bro.
Speaker 2:I was born in North Philly man, right in front of Lehigh. You know what I mean. Right there in the Front of Lehigh. Yeah, we should call it Ep called Episcopal. Episcopal. It's called Temple now. Okay, it used to be called Episcopal. Y'all wasn't born yet, then y'all. But this is how this was going down. You know what I mean. Then I went straight to 11th Street, 11th and Monieson.
Speaker 6:Okay, and I was there.
Speaker 2:You know that's where I first started my life at Back then there ain't no functioning. You dirty, you stealing everything, you don't fuck with your kids that type of shit.
Speaker 1:So this the crack era.
Speaker 2:Yeah, full blown Niggas with the big ass ropes the caddy that shit was like. Really I paid them for it. We looking at this like the dead in real life. Dice games, bro. Dice games niggas betting $100,000 on the corner.
Speaker 3:Money everywhere you don.
Speaker 2:I mean but what's 80s like in late 80s, 87, 88. I mean, I was born. Yeah, mr 80s, yeah, I got watching. Oh, I'd be a message like that.
Speaker 4:You know, coming up in a Beirut area, a very, very tough area, crack era notable.
Speaker 3:I'm saying super notable area in.
Speaker 4:Philadelphia, notable, I'm saying super notable area in Philadelphia. I'm saying, and I'm in a space where is nothing but anyone, since that maybe been in your house or maybe outside the house?
Speaker 2:Nobody in the house. Nobody in the house. I know Oster People just in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1:He's not in the house. People in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2:It was like every year. It was a guy you would see. You might never talk to him. Yeah, same though it was a guy named Gary. I used to look up to he, even no, I told him one day in 2006 I wanted to talk to him like bros, look up to you, bro, like heavy, like I mean, yeah, he's got the leather. Raider's question was like 800 for the sweatsuit. Y'all know formula, adidas, yeah, I mean. So I said, bro, that's my stuff, I got the you now. I could do that, do it myself now. But I mean, as a kid, whoever's around your neighborhood, that's who you look up to. This. I mean, ain't no internet.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't know what's going on nowhere else. You just know what's going on where you're even rappers.
Speaker 1:Wasn't that cool yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that's why I be saying that, because you gotta remember the times. In them times because even when I was coming up, mac made rap cool for us Before Mac. That shit was corny bro. We was looking at them, other niggas yeah.
Speaker 2:You talking about some.
Speaker 4:Philly.
Speaker 5:Yes, oh God.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, I'm talking about Philly period.
Speaker 4:It could have been Philly, but I was where I was at, like rap was, it was like the drug dealers was what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we didn't really have yeah.
Speaker 3:Fresh Prince.
Speaker 6:Fresh Prince ain't like. You know what I'm saying, right? I mean, it's like people wanted to be the you know what I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:Who was the highest in the hood. Plus, you're not even thinking about the future like that. Yeah, these days people are more sophisticated. They worry about back then. Man, you're living for the day, right?
Speaker 4:So you know, coming up well, looking at the drug dealers outside and admiring them and seeing them coming up wanting to do the things that they're doing, to get the things that they had. So give me music and when music start coming in, and give me your first musical influence.
Speaker 2:See, I used to write Scarface raps, scarface. I would go basketball, still Scarface T, and write his songs, scarface, yeah, scarface. I'd listen to it and I'd write the way he said it, just write it down. But that's before I even rapped, right, but this was before I even rapped, back when I was a young boy.
Speaker 4:I liked the Scarface and Coogee rap. So Scarface and Coogee rap are your first influences coming into music and shit like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the song I liked the most was my part of town, from these people called Tough Crew from North Philly. They had a song on the radio. They used to come on the radio. They was from Philly, tough Crew, yeah, and they but Scarface and Coogee Rapp. Coogee Rapp is so even right now he's just so nasty, like it's just yeah. I mean so like that's the people stuff I was listening to, but I still didn't think I was going to rap though.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I started first writing my raps. I was up Vision Quest.
Speaker 2:Please call 92, 94. Vision quest.
Speaker 4:So you know coogee, rat and um and scarface as some of your earlier influences and music.
Speaker 2:Then biggie and biggie come along biggie, biggie, but he's my biggest influence, biggie come along, you still biggie, your biggest influence.
Speaker 4:Y'all just heard it biggie still not even thinking you gonna rap or be into rap at the time these are just influence of your life. So at that time, give me like what's going on in your life at that time, Like well, I mean, I was just trying to survive bro yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I was a vision quest, robbing the market. I robbed the market up, uh showed the German. Tell him, is that no?
Speaker 6:Wayne.
Speaker 2:Wayne.
Speaker 5:Avenue.
Speaker 2:Let me say no, no, no, no. I mean, this was real life. I was a kid. I was on the run from St Gables.
Speaker 4:You was hungry.
Speaker 3:I was on some money. See, you just said something right there Like you was on a run from somewhere, like I want to get into before you even got there, All right.
Speaker 1:So basically, this is what Cora's saying. Start from the beginning.
Speaker 3:He wants you to tell the story about, you know, building your character.
Speaker 2:I mean, I just want to tell you something I'm going to tell you something about all. If you got kids, you'll know this. If you got more than one kid, kids born with something in them already, right Before they learn anything.
Speaker 2:You got two kids in the same house, they going to be all the way different. So some kids, just I mean so, say somebody, you know somebody in the hood tell you, go light the cigarette on the stove. And we in the same house, it's just, we got you know some stuff, some stuff you're born with. I always know how to draw, but I learned how to draw. Now I was gonna just draw a picture. I thought why can't everybody do this shit? You know what I mean, right?
Speaker 1:So some stuff so some character is in All right. So this probably gonna answer everything you want him to say. You feel me, you know, oh, when they come to interviews, he's lit right now it ain't nobody before him, none of it when it come to a certain error, but you know how. You basically said yeah, my pop was 20 years older than my mom and my grandmommy. No, no, I'm saying I'm saying that that give us that era. You said no, no, I'm saying I'm saying that because he's hitting it. Yeah, he said that his, his pop was 20 years older than his mom. Yeah, right, something happened. He had to move with his grandmom and his grandmom never liked him. Because he reminded, because that's what he like that's what he went.
Speaker 2:But you know what's crazy about that shit? Though I never knew that, I never knew, I've seen like me, no, that's what I'm saying he and.
Speaker 1:But you know what's crazy about that shit, though? I never knew that. I never knew why she ain't like me.
Speaker 2:No, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I never know.
Speaker 3:And it's good that, Because you just said it for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, he know now, but you know what's crazy he ain't know back then.
Speaker 2:When I got out of jail this last time, I started asking my mom should. I look like you're there. Yeah, just like me. But I never see my grandma, my dad, even see each other before.
Speaker 3:So I even know, they even know each other, you look like his day, so his grandma.
Speaker 2:He was living with his grandma. She got a, he got a hook on drugs and she like get me. So Didn't, didn't, didn't I come like me. But she never told me that. I know why. The fuck know why the she called the foster home to come get me. They come there to get me, my brother right there. He's like, no, don't take him, just take him. I mean, I'm like it's your first time going, like the first one's on me, and she told him to put me in there. She's my. She had a four bedroom house and she laid by herself my brother sleeping in bed with her.
Speaker 3:What was the place they they took? I ran from there.
Speaker 2:I used to be like man, fuck that, I'm out. I ran away because my neighborhood loved me, so I go to my neighborhood. If I can get back to my neighborhood, I'm cool. I can find I'm going to have somewhere to stay or somewhere I'm cool. So I ran away the first time. It took me like two days to find my neighborhood. I was nine.
Speaker 2:I found my neighborhood and, the crazy part, when I got to I didn't even know she would have died. I wouldn't even know that day. No, like a couple days before that she was in there. My grandma told me this from the third window your father stabbed my daughter. That's what she said to me. I didn't see my dad.
Speaker 2:I don't even know the nigga. It'd be like that we on sides and stuff. Can I come in there and see her? She let me in there to see month. She don't even know where I've been.
Speaker 2:She ain't ask me shit about me. She's like, yeah, well, your father stabbed me, whatever it was basically like a type of joint where they in love and he's jealous. I guess she's jumping in and out of cars, whatever she's doing. He's mad, some crackhead shit. I don't know whatever's going on, but the conversation part about it I tell people all the time it ain't bothered me as much as it should, because it always was like that. It's different if you got it good, then the shit turn bad. You're like, oh, what the fuck? It was bad like that from the rip.
Speaker 2:So when I left Because I look back on it now tattooed on me he died now, but that's like my dad. He was 16 and he's like my dad, though like anything worse come, I'm gonna go to a shock crib. His mom gonna say I can't come out. He's gonna say man, you coming the in. I mean so. I was like that was my last resort, but I used to bring people house, go to sleep, like this lady named slump. She ended time she come down cussing me out to the point she just start coming down there putting the cover on me like man. You mean so my neighbor always my neighbor loved me, so they was proud of me. When I start becoming somebody I mean, and you talking about 11, 1200 yeah, yeah all right.
Speaker 1:So you, you, man, we could keep going all right. So, um, I just want you to tell the people, even when, when they come to like a lot of internet things or like blogs and stuff, like when they talk about oscino vasquez, they say west philly. So I want you to talk about how the whole north, the west thing happened, because you know what's up exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:Bro. This is a crazy story, right? So one night my life was like a movie, and sometimes only reason I would tell these stories is because I got people that could back up and tell you exactly what happened. I mean, there's no lies, it's 100% real. So I was watching this movie. I don't got no money, I'm a kid, I'm probably about 12. And these mob boys broke into a pawn shop. I said I want to do that fully work, right? So it was like 3 in the morning.
Speaker 2:I go to Gemertel on the Avenue, like a sneaker store behind a sneaker store, and tried it with a sledgehammer, with a blanket, and that shit started. A whole little hole came. I had a pen light. I'm looking in there. Oh shit, I see sneaks. I kept doing that shit. Right, some girl named Nikki Donna, she it. So mine about listen by myself, though, about myself. How old is you? Like 12, right? So boom, so listen. So I guess I saw a grass head, for I grabbed five pair of sneaks, right, boom, take them to my grandma basement, wait for the cops come in, come, oh, go back in there again. But I cleaned the whole store out. It was like legendary, right? It's called fd's footwear. They went out of business listen to call it this back when the purple, black and white air max came out at least footwear you cl. You cleaned them out though.
Speaker 2:Cleaned them out. Listen, all this shit out, right? So I was in there for like five hours, right? Boom. So I'm selling sneaks in the hood, right? Five hours of cleaning out is crazy. So I get my brother 10 pair of sneaks and 12. The picture I got on the appetizer I'm going to go, yeah, I'm going to lace myself. So, listen. So I give my brother 10 pairs of sneaks. So he got that game. Listen, my mom boyfriend stole the sneaks from me. Mind you, I'm saying boys in the hood, it's in the movies. I'm ethical to the movies, see, boys in the hood. I come back.
Speaker 2:My brother tried to set the nigga on fire in the room and the whole house on my God bro, the fire truck. So by the fire truck out there, right, my mom come up all dirty, like yo, give me $20. I'm like what man Give me? No, tell the cops yo, he robbed me. She know I robbed the store. She know I was buried. I'm like he robbed me. He, the one, broke in the store. Tell the cops. Back then, three bands was like having 150,000 to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like bro, I was devastated, bro you 12.
Speaker 1:This shit sound like a fucking John Singleton movie, bro, they took me to JJC, juvenile Justice Center.
Speaker 2:So when I got out of there they had to give my mom a house in West Philly because the house had burnt down. My brother was doing that shit with about the sneakers. You know what I mean. How long you was in there. Then I came out. She was living in West Philly, so I just you know what I mean Coming around in here.
Speaker 3:That's where you was, that's where you posted up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, posted up a little, it means. But it was like it was so different out there I had to get used to it, right?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, and the high rises and that was.
Speaker 2:That was the west philly had way more murders back than than north philly. It was like west philly was like they was slaying. But as a young person you're so naive you don't even think nothing happened to you. You think everybody else I mean, it's just you, you, you. You be in the middle of some david, you don't even. That's why I said god protect babies and fools, because I know I was a fool, bro, yeah it was like you know but I remember one time I got robbed in the Chinese store, bro, new Year's Eve.
Speaker 2:I got $10. I had a one-piece dickie on Before I got signed, or any of that. Right, the boss come in the Chinese store to rob it, right? You know how small that shit is. I had shrimp and broccoli. I threw my $10 back there, bro, I need it to get my food. Right Boy hit me with the gun. He's going to zip my shirt. Woo hoo, listen, no, no, no, no, tomo, listen. But listen to the funny part though. They zip my drawer. I got boxes on them. My one piece of dick, one drawer. Like I ain't got nothing, bro, look my shit bleeding. Right, so the boys rob everybody and leave. Right, they leave. No, you got to pay, you got to Everybody's. Just like oh, oh, let me see why you did that shit. Yeah, I'll get my motherfucker fooled.
Speaker 2:I get back to my man crib like oh man, these niggas just robbed me, tried to rob me, bro, but they ain't get shit bro. You know what I mean. But that's the life of the hood. I was walking in that same corner like two years prior to that, I think it took my new balance. I was sick, it was raining, it made me walk so slow in the rain because I was just devastated. So the hood, the hood, the hood. I had you. It could make you or break you. Rob Markman.
Speaker 3:Jr man, this is not getting any you talking about. I just threw the tape, Rob Markman Jr.
Speaker 2:You know how they got the bulletproof glass and the little yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:that's just crazy all right, he's like I'm getting my food I know my co-host and I know they got a lot of questions, so let's, let's go all right. So you said boom, west philly. And, and I know, um, I really wanted to know at the point where, like, where the like real, real stuff start happening, like, like, like, the like, like you, you having to go to the, the like the order, like you getting shot, I was like I was locked up like from first home.
Speaker 2:I was straight to juvenile policeman. I got certified as an adult when I was 16. I mean so I was more than any place. I was in jail. I mean more than more than west philly or north philly. I was in jail more than all that shit. You know what I'm saying. So like that's. But so when in jail you were with everybody from everywhere. That's why I got niggas from everywhere. I remember I first went upgraded for the first time. You know E Block, 800 people on E Block, 800 people. That shit is big. Oh, oh, a thousand people called me. The guard said who is you? I said nobody man. I mean because I was locked up with so many niggas from some offices, from foster homes to juvenile placements, to the certified.
Speaker 2:My man, hassan me. He just came home. Shout out to hassan. He did 28 years, he fell 15, he turned 43. Now he just got out, he had a baby and I told him name of freedom. He named the freedom. So shout out the freedom too. But you mean so I knew I knew these dudes personally, sellies and like that. I mean so. So I always looked at like judges. Make you network better. You mean now I can go down 30% task and no niggas. Yeah, I mean I can go down and certainly no niggas that you would never would have knew ever.
Speaker 1:So jail the army. All that was before the deal. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2:That is Shot before the deal. I got shot two years before the deal.
Speaker 1:That's why I the.
Speaker 3:I like how you threw that in there but, like what made you even sign up for that.
Speaker 2:Listen, bro, I was a house correction fighting five robberies.
Speaker 2:They were trying to give me 30 to 60. I got a public defender. My sister worked there, right, she's not a guard, she's like above the guard. She's like Like a white shirt, she's regular clothes. She's like with the warden oh shit, she's regular clothes. She's like with the warden, type shit oh shit. You know what I mean. So she come to get me like you going to take the deal. I'm like I can't take no deal for no 30. None of that shit. I'm 16. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So I kept going to court beating these Jones, beating these Jones. You know what I mean. I'm a thug. So one Jones. I like that something.
Speaker 2:I did it, bro. I did. I'm about to get cooked for this joint. I mean, I know, I know in my heart, even to this day, I think I did it. But they said I was locked up when this shit happened. So they said I think he was locked up.
Speaker 2:I got in a fight in the movie 69th street movies with some boy, got booked that day. They said he could. So the black judge was so mad he's like I'm about to get this boy 10 years for this shit. So the white boy, I should lock you up, get out my courtroom. And he threw another case I had out, just on a strength, I mean. So I had one case left and I'm like, damn, I'm telling my man, zach holmes, shout out, rest in peace. That comes my celly. I said, man, I might go home in like five years now. I got one case left. I get fires. I'm cool my brain. I was already doing 15. This is back in grade four. You wear regular clothes, bro. Not only that, we had classes on how not to get raped back then on juvenile block. Yeah, you had to go to class on how not to get raped. I'm like, oh, shit's like that, we gotta work it out something. It means you're like, so, like I go to my last case, I beat it bro. I beat this shit bro.
Speaker 2:So now, now, so now now, now I'm 17, I'm 17, I'm always been up and I don't know what I'm gonna do, because I was planning on getting out.
Speaker 2:I mean like, so I'm like I can't do no more robberies, that shit is dead. Like I mean so I just like went to the army. They was like you can't come, you're only 17. You got to wait till you're 18. So I told him I said, listen, man, I need money now. I mean, wait, you only got a few months. I'm hustling on 51st Market, get booked. You mean, call it. So I'm in the police station, 55th and Pine. I call the captain. I'm like she's like, oh my god. She said, so, let me see what I can do. Right, I go back to the cell. Mind you, if I didn't call her, mind you know how. The agent you want to make a phone call. I? I wasn't gonna say no, I was embarrassed, but like, fuck, I'm gonna walk out this. I'm gonna call her. Fuck it, call her. And she said, let me see what I can do. 30 minutes later they called my name. I'm like fuck, they calling me for it.
Speaker 2:The army man picked me up, took me to a hotel till I turned 18, give me $60 a day, and the case went away. What case went away, bro, yeah, mom, in a hotel, like for three months. I'm like nigga, what the fuck? A black car I'm eating so like. Why I went to Fort McKellar, alabama, was my uh, I was gonna sign up forever, bro, I'm gonna end up bitch. They gave me guns and food. You know. I said I'm good, nigga, fuck you talking about bro. Bro, right up, bro, I had to do none of this shit. Bro, I'm gonna'm going to be cool. I was like man Yo, he was already on the jaw, Bro.
Speaker 3:I've been on the jaw all my life, bro.
Speaker 2:This is how you taste your beef Yo first time. Yo lobster tail I said what the fuck is this? I've never seen this before. I've seen crab legs and shit.
Speaker 1:Bro, I've never seen none of this shit Like this I ain't gonna lie bro, bro, listen, I ain't gonna lie bro, I'm gonna tell you, bro.
Speaker 2:I said yo, I never seen lobster tail before. Man, I'm like what's that? What the fuck is that Boy? That's lobster tail. I'm like where you get that? It's like a buffet you slide through, you trade, you get whatever you want. It's all type of shit, bro. I kept saying the army back. I'm like man, this shit popping to me, they paying me every month. I mean so? I signed up for nine years. That's as long as I could at 18. I was going to stay in there forever, bro. They give me grenades. I got guns and shit.
Speaker 5:Yo you know I got past grenades. I would have given him some grenades.
Speaker 2:They got past grenades to go to the past boot camp. I was like this shit, then I come home and get shot. I said then I couldn't go back. He go home and get shot. Go home and get shot, bro, as soon as I came home. That's crazy, because it wasn't meant for me to be doing it. It wasn't meant for me to do it, dude, like on the home, like on the pass, type of thing. Yeah, so what happens? When you finish basic training?
Speaker 1:you come home for like 10 days, then you go to your deployment Like my first day home.
Speaker 2:I had like five more days before I was going to leave man you signed up for nine years.
Speaker 3:We would have never heard of those.
Speaker 4:But you know what's crazy though I wrote raps every day in there.
Speaker 2:That's how I used to express myself. I wasn't saying to nobody, I was just writing my raps how I'm feeling. I was writing it as a rap.
Speaker 4:So you come home from the army, get popped.
Speaker 2:Then get locked up, then get locked up. So I'm like asking God, like yo, bro, what's up with you? Bro, you know what I mean, because it's kind of the same thing happening.
Speaker 4:All right, this is crazy. So, like I told you, I was like, so you went in jail in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in a wheelchair, yeah, so, but before that, like you know, my life was like something good happened and something terrible happened. Yeah, something good happened to me, so I'm going to be here. I ain't doing no crime, some stability, yeah, but it wasn't meant to be. But the same thing with my dad. When my dad came and got me, he took me to Texas. I'm living good. He's making me breakfast every morning, my school popping. I got all these friends. They're all white though, but we bob, we got to listen to the lights. They're all white, they're all. My dad was like I don't know how you're going to adjust it because we're in Arlington, texas. He said I don't know how you're going to adjust man, just try to adjust man.
Speaker 2:I don't need to adjust. I got to pop it In the morning. Listen In the morning time. I'm going to school. Ten niggas knocking on the door Well, they white. Oh, come on, we're going to school. I loved, I gotta go back to the bullshit. But mind you, now when I'm back to North Philly, it was like the dirtiest shit to me. It's like different. I could believe it. Not only that, it was November. I had on shorts. When I got off the Greyhound bus Freezing, I said what the fuck?
Speaker 1:I said oh, my God Text is it don't get gold.
Speaker 2:I said, bro, I'm about to, I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna do whatever. I'm gonna start doing whatever. After that, I like fuck it. I feel like it's like you try to do good, then the shit happens. I'll just control it. That you can't. You know what I mean, but what it is, what it is, I know now is you getting pushed a certain way?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you think it was over a dice game, but it was more to it. Somebody said something that you ain't had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2:My problem was still short, like I got shot. I lost hope. You know what I mean. Yeah, I lost hope. I ain't gonna front Like. I was scared to kill myself, though, but I ain't gonna front like it.
Speaker 2:I'm scared to kill myself, though, but I care if somebody killed me though you know me like that, I was like that I am a it's like you flag man. And then you know what? Because I would attack boy like this, I'm not messing with no girl if I got no money. I ain't got no shit. Like, I don't even want to got time to be doing none of that shit I mean so like, I mean you might have some shit like man, it's no need. I don't even know what I'm living for, to be honest with you. But then you got to find some type of hope. I had a daughter. She was born right when I got shot, rob Markman Jr. Okay, you mean, she's 27 now.
Speaker 3:She's in Japan right now, actually Rob.
Speaker 2:Markman Jr. Yeah, that's fine motivation.
Speaker 3:My first motivation that was like that song right there is like part of our life, right there.
Speaker 1:What song?
Speaker 3:That song.
Speaker 2:Two of the movie go up there. Come on.
Speaker 4:I told you it was in the deleted scenes on state property.
Speaker 3:The DVD I think we probably played that more than the movie. They ain't show that on a regular joint.
Speaker 4:If you go to the deleted scenes you get to see the titties and the ass and all that. I was on some shit back then we shot that movie.
Speaker 2:We shot that movie. It's like three years for it to come out. So we telling people I told them I did a movie. They're like man, what the hell. One day I know that she was in a Right on this box. They was smoking in the movie.
Speaker 3:Bro, I went to go see it in the movies.
Speaker 2:I went to the movies to see it. So I'm in the movies. My job's still not used to being nobody knowing me because they don't internet shit out. So we come out the movie, everybody looking at me. I'm like what the fuck boy? They keep staring at me Like oh, nigga, you in the fucking movie. Nigga Like nigga. You stay Like fuck it. You look like. So you had to get used to all that shit. You don't know if a nigga looking at you for what for you. You know what I mean. So it was like a whole thing to get used to when you from the slums for real.
Speaker 1:Bro, you want me to tell you how young I am.
Speaker 2:What Because?
Speaker 1:you was born in 97. You on big.
Speaker 2:You was born in 98. No 2000 same thing yeah, no, that's how young I am right.
Speaker 1:Everybody in my generation called you d nice I was cool with it.
Speaker 2:You know, I feel like 2012.
Speaker 1:You know, you know why that I'm cool with that I swear to god, I used to be like yo, that's d nice. My brother, he used to be like what the it's yeah, bro, bro, listen the mistakes.
Speaker 2:They call me that, that way. That way you know somebody from the movies they would call you.
Speaker 3:D-Law, when you get that cool, calm collective, all that they ain't made that.
Speaker 2:I mean that's in the script. I didn't want to be bleak because I see you got killed. I'm like I don't want to be blizz. I'm trying to get part two so I can get this checked. You know what I mean. So first I wanted to be blizz so I kept though you might, billy Williams who collected that shit was perfect for you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2:That should be first. They probably won. Album even came out. We've been there, shot it me, was fresh boy. We handle acting another even try to freestyle yeah. I'm shot in Jersey right, give us a permit, so are so alright.
Speaker 1:So look alright.
Speaker 5:I always know why you shooting in the city.
Speaker 4:Philly One Letters. Philly One Letters. You come from the Army, you get shot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get shot, I want to.
Speaker 4:You go to jail he in a wheelchair in jail After that.
Speaker 2:After that I got out of jail, I started rapping. I had a studio in Perkside in West Philly. I lived.
Speaker 1:The became the start of association. I was hustling some drugs for him already, so okay he ain't even know I rap.
Speaker 2:Then one day, like I heard you be rapping, I'm like maji been knowing me, I'm like in the city hustlers, like you know. I said, yeah, I'm right. I gave him something like damn, why you want to go to the studio. I said, yeah, I mean, but I gotta sell these drugs for think of it. So I started, I started going. Actually I can go to any time I want. I started just living in there. I'm there all day. But then the computer, you know, I got the studio. That wasn't out. Then it came out right, you see the vocals and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had to find somebody to know how I worked that shit. My man colossus, came to my work. That's just a week just being that, just getting busy what year is this?
Speaker 4:nine seven, it's like nine eight, nine, eight, yeah, okay, so look all right. Nine eight. You come out of jail, you start rapping, but, but, but and but. While you was in the army, you, you write it and write and write in form of therapy. You come out y'all form ich when? How do you meet sparks?
Speaker 2:he's hustling for the same, I was hustling before okay I mean trapping, like I mean, and it's like I mean y'all sound like, y'all sound good together. You mean, so we just start.
Speaker 4:You mean his unorthodox flow like, like, how you knew his talent was dead no.
Speaker 2:So you know, when you're young, you think you're better than everybody. Yeah, but that's how you got to feel the mickey, though, because nobody's going to tell you, bro, young Froggy, if you wait for somebody else to tell you, you'll be a waiting ass.
Speaker 4:You know how hard it is to get the unorthodox flow to be cool. Yeah, effortlessly.
Speaker 2:But sometimes like, sometimes like why are you not rhyming, bro? Effortlessly, yeah, but but he's not he's not.
Speaker 4:He knew how to get his point across, bro.
Speaker 2:That hot 97 shit him on there and every time he write a song I'm on like let's not hear it for a while. But oh, I, now I'll get it. Yeah, I'll get it later. Yeah, I mean. So. So I'll say probably one cd is all. I mean his parts, you might say classic you know we had that song before you.
Speaker 2:I don't know original one, but that's I'm gonna original original one, but I'm on the original original one. Yeah, we did that together before we was even signed. You know what I mean. Yeah, I'm on a remix of it with Beenzino, but that's our song from the rip. You know what I mean. But anyway, that was a lot of practice. I got to be in the real studio all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2:I took it so serious, see mean it ain't like I can go home and eat in the refrigerator and get up. No, you got to give me some money. Nigga. Mean time is mean nigga. You ain't got no bread. I mean you got to get some money right now. So I was always taking shit serious.
Speaker 4:So look. So when you in the studio ICH going on Boom, now when is the point where you moved to Yonkers?
Speaker 2:Bro, I, I was coming to the studio and I had two homies named Go-Braw and Spade not the Spade from Major Figures, another Spade. They had a manager, so they was backing out the studio. I'm like where y'all niggas going? They're going to New York. The boy, hip Dog, was like yo, I kissed her and shit, he liked it. I'm like the real kiss. Did you like the kiss? Yeah, he man, just get in. Man, I got you. I ain't come back for like nine months. Then the crazy part about it right, I'm out there, yonkers, I'm talking about Yonkers, you know that's where DMX from. You see Mary J Blige, you see the Kiss she was supposed to sign some niggas from.
Speaker 2:Philly. The niggas was Ray Roberts with Mary J Blige. Okay, so I mean they shoot the movie. I can't be in that joint, not knowing I'm about to shoot my own joint, but I'm just. But it was no animosity, it was tight, it was like competition, right. I mean. So, like I was going to the Rough Riders morning, I went there. Everyone if I show you pictures of that bro, I got pictures with everybody back in kiss. When you like he's 10, right then kiss. Mom lived like right where I lived at, so I just go knock on his door, bro. Bro, I was in the mix. Like you think it's like yo, this thing got over from you guys now like look so. So then this was going to the. Yes, this is 98 though yeah kiss that yo.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm walking down the street, I'm with these poppies, I'm with these puerto rican niggas. They had like a cookout or something, some. I'm just eating with them. Like you know them, like kids, pull up like, oh oh, come here, man, get in the car, you can't be out here. I'm like what I remember it's called elm street, like what you're doing on elm street, I'm like. I'm like what's wrong with Elm Street?
Speaker 2:You can't even be out there, bro, my mom's like I ain't got shit to take, so he's like man you tell me something. He's like this thing goes on Elm Street. They're like you can't be down there. Oh, I'm like wow, to this day I don't know why, but I'm like so all the time seen my daughter in a while I'm going to go to the Greek.
Speaker 3:Greek was crazy y'all. For the young kids that don't know that's watching the Will it or Mo Show.
Speaker 4:I've been South Street hitting the lid. I'm talking about 40,000 people, bro. That's what they missing out on, shit like that.
Speaker 3:That shit was crazy.
Speaker 2:It is even before throwback jerseys. They used to be falling off the back of pickup trucks.
Speaker 3:It was Philly version of the Philly yeah facts.
Speaker 2:So we get to Philly. I've been in New York nine months. We get to Philly. Everybody that rapped for Kiss battled me. So I'm battling these niggas. Two niggas walk up like yo, who you? We know Jay-Z. He looking for Michael Jackson. I'm like man, whatever man, I know he's looking for people. I said, all right, I'm going to go to my number or whatever they called the next day. Like yo, you ready to go up there? I'm like for real. So I told my niggas I said, in case you don't just like me, y'all want to go with me? He was looking for you.
Speaker 3:Who was?
Speaker 4:them niggas.
Speaker 3:I always wanted to know that too. Shout out to them, guys. All I wanted to know was Deacon Roller bro.
Speaker 2:You know what's crazy though, bro. If I see Jay-Z, I'm going to get to know him. Period, Because I've been practicing for two years straight, not no days off. If I see him, it's over, I ain't going to see him. I like to work like that.
Speaker 4:I ain't got no luck like that Jay-. Bad. He is deacon roller they just heard me rapping.
Speaker 2:They just heard me rapping in the lobby in the hotel looking for.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna hit you tomorrow, whatever man shout out to them, man, man.
Speaker 2:I said I just ain't believing, bro, that's like. So they came. Then we go on the way to new york. I still like, I'm like something gonna go wrong. There's no power, there's no possible way. It's not. Yeah, but in case it do, yeah, I'm on. I mean I'm ready to go. So we get up to the joint. It's so crazy. I almost didn't get in because I didn't have no ID. You need an ID to get in the joint in the building. I'm like ID. Oh my, some of my homies are brung with me. You can't get in, I can't get in. I said, oh my God, this is a disaster. I brung these niggas in. Some black I did a stick nation. He just gave me one shot. Shout to the security. I don't know what your name is. That Bro, you saved my life. Whole walking in gets I can starstruck. I mean I'm hungry. They got one. This nigga face like this close bro. I'm not letting it go nowhere bro, because he walking they suffer things. They got five, five minutes, man.
Speaker 2:Everybody hold on five minutes. Damn, it's like that, like two niggas. That's what he told you. He said everybody hold on. I got five minutes.
Speaker 4:Damn.
Speaker 5:It's like that you walk in the room.
Speaker 4:That's how it is. I have like 10 niggas right. Yeah, you got an eye on them. 10 niggas got five minutes.
Speaker 5:This is a long ass table.
Speaker 2:It's a conference table Like this is longer than this. The conference table is longer than this. Y'all Easy. I got a book, busy book to his face like this, close to this nigga. Like bro, you're not going to wear for five minutes you fucking talk about. They didn't get it for like two hours, bro. He said let me talk to you in the bathroom.
Speaker 4:You was the only nigga pulled to the side. No, no.
Speaker 2:I just I just went up there because it was for me. Anyway I Stay property. I mean, I see, I see it up there. That's a sp, you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying At that time, when you was there, the 10 other rappers, was it like any known ones?
Speaker 2:No, but that's what my niggas said I knew Rob Markman Jr. Oh, all right, they were in my squad. They said if he don't like me, at least make it like one of y'all niggas.
Speaker 3:He's like yo, bro, you're not signing nobody.
Speaker 2:I'm like fuck, no he said well, listen, I want to sign you tomorrow. I said listen, bro, this is what I want you to do. Can you get me a hotel room? Because I don't want you to say you're going to sign me, I go home and get killed or something nigga, I don't know. Let me stay up here. I just got shot like bro.
Speaker 2:Whatever they offer you first, don't take it. So you know my brand. I'm like shit. If they give me $10,000, I'm taking it. $10,000, I'm taking it. I'm about to have a brick. I'm good, give me 10 bands, because it was no comparison. I didn't know how much you were supposed to get. You can't Google it. I don't know what I'm supposed to get. I know I'm gonna get some. So there's no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Already. I mean shit. You know that shit go bad. All that Like man. We get in there, boy, like. So. The paperwork is like this thick ass. The papers like this thick. What the paper part of how much I'm going to get paid, what the paid part of that? You know what I mean, man. I see that shit. What was it? I think it was like $750,000. $750,000, right? Oh, my God, man, I said who, but I didn't know. It was for your album. Yeah Right, but you get advance. So I think advance is like $100,000 or something right? Oh yeah, I said, how about I get $100,000?
Speaker 3:I said listen.
Speaker 2:I told the little boy listen, I don't want to negotiate this. You're not gonna make me, you're not gonna make me say no, anybody. Listen, the nigga gonna sell your list. I want all your reps, forever, right, forever, everywhere. I want to own it.
Speaker 4:I said Dom this shit say $750,000, and I'm ready.
Speaker 2:They advanced me $150,000.
Speaker 4:Bro, listen bro, oh no, come on with it. They could have said I want it forever.
Speaker 1:And Jay-Z, my man. I would have signed it, bro, bro, yes.
Speaker 4:With the rock and wear buttons and all that.
Speaker 2:Bro, listen for Bean they could have said listen, we want all your raps. You ever write All right, now I get home. I ain't got the money, but I know it's coming in 10 days. So the longest 10 days of my life, bro, I'm going to the stores like my nigga. That. That that you buying shit before I call that that.
Speaker 2:So but but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. But you know me, I don't got no girlfriend, I'm going to have a family. So I went and brought her a ring, like I ain't going to tell her. I got a sign. She don't know. I got a sign. I said you want to go together? I'll get you a card. She was like she was in the mirror doing her little face.
Speaker 6:Oh, I'm OK, I'm all right, all right.
Speaker 2:Now, that's what happened. That's my nigga, though, but it was like a crazy thing, mind you. It was like the least person you was expected to happen to. You mean, the nigga that's really be out here rapping, really be out here streaming for real, for real. So it was like whoa shut the fuck. Where the fuck did you start rapping? What the fuck just happened? Where did you start rapping? We didn't. I mean. So it's like a crazy thing. They're like where the fuck did you start rapping, bro? I mean because it was out of nowhere to them, because I never rapped Nowhere.
Speaker 4:I used to see Freeway rapping all the time, right, different places and shit. Yeah, I mean, boom, I want to get you a deal. Wham, next day, put me in a hotel before I get killed in Philly. Bro, I'm trying to really get this shit done. Y'all get this shit done. You get signed. Now you got some money. Motherfuckers really don't know y'all yet, because it's not it's like it's no CD, it's like it's nothing.
Speaker 6:It's nothing.
Speaker 2:No pictures or nothing.
Speaker 4:But boom, something happened.
Speaker 2:The shit is everything.
Speaker 4:And then the world shut down.
Speaker 2:And I just got a joke too.
Speaker 3:I just almost missed it Before you go in. Oh right, cause I know you about to go in on this part. How was your homies that you used to be doing your little licks with how they reacted when they knew you rapped Well, a lot of them was upstate right.
Speaker 2:I asked my man, aki Jones, shout out to Ike. He upstate still now. He said I was in the hole Right by XXL I see you in there, like because I had to join in Me and Game was in there with some article about getting shot. He said I'm like this nigga, don't rap, fuck you, man.
Speaker 3:He said this nigga don't rap, bro.
Speaker 2:My man, oxo Crazy, said it took like 10 years to get my address because nobody would give it to him.
Speaker 3:I don't know they had to look at him like you ain't the biggest nigga Got me coming through the alley fucking my boots up. You got to do a lot of stuff, though bro I'm calling the troops up.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to make some people proud of my family, but it made a lot of people don't like you more. So let me ask.
Speaker 4:You just went from not having, or not being able to do nothing for nobody, and having, and the next thing you know you one of the biggest niggas in the world Having your way too.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So I wanted to ask something I wanted you to like, because I'm going to keep it a bean. Some people don't know how to stay in their place. I know how to stay in mine. Y'all talking about stuff before like 96, 95. I got to be quiet for now, my God, but I wanted to ask this right. So now, since we had the shit time right, like the whole hot 97 stuff and everything that you're speaking on, you said who took you in a bad from himself and you mean so how did the state property like, how did the group think form?
Speaker 2:we were down in the hot 97, we all from philly, and they thought we knew each other. But we didn didn't. We was like really just spitting freestyle. We always did. It's just that New York was live on the radio. We did it for like two hours. We come out the radio station, everybody's talking about it. We like-.
Speaker 1:The joint that everybody know and see and all that yeah.
Speaker 2:I got back to Philly like three days later, every car, every store, every Bro, that she was everywhere, like every module. We went on a 14 city tour of that. So we go to be in new orleans, california, everywhere, and they know every word. They just don't know how we look, I mean.
Speaker 1:So that's like damn, that's just traveling I was doing a 14 city tour off the freestyle, off the free style radio, bro.
Speaker 2:Just mind you, there's no internet like none of that. It's like no, it was like word of mouth, bro, that she was, that she was, bro I remember I had a, um, I think I had a.
Speaker 3:It was a tape, you know that was, that's just so.
Speaker 2:Probably 20 million copies, bro. That's your question, bro.
Speaker 3:Bro, we're doing, you know, a tour for that this was the time when they said get y'all tapes ready bro, was it from the jump or y'all foreign state property later?
Speaker 1:was it from the no?
Speaker 2:no, they said y'all, we got to be together. We got scientists not together. But at that night they said y'all, niggas, we got to be together. We got to sign this night together. But at that night they said y'all sound good together, y'all like the Philly niggas, y'all all from Philly, boom, boom, boom. They put us together and that shit it worked. I mean because when our first CD came out, that shit just sold out of numbers not to get promoted, like that. I mean we could sell our show now you mean. I mean that. You mean this should have been 20 something years, like yeah. So it was like like for from philly to do anything like that at that time was like I mean it's like a miracle. It's a miracle like period. It's really a miracle. You know, this ain't new york, I mean, I don't record labels here, ain't no like that here, like so to get on period. Yeah, it's like a miracle. It's like maybe, like it was only like 10 people from philly on probably, I mean period.
Speaker 3:I mean, and with seven of them was us before we continue, I want y'all to share like subscribe comment.
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Speaker 3:This is the part where we get to the meat and the potatoes.
Speaker 1:Man, oh, all right, meat potatoes all right. Bet, so you could do your little all, all right bet. So like listen, man, All right. So we got the Oskenov ass quest story. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:We got the fast forward 99.
Speaker 1:You get signed Hot, 97. Now listen, right, I could ask you a bunch of base questions, you feel me, but we ain't doing that. I want to ask you real questions that you know that like the people really want to hear you know what I'm saying. So I notice when it come to Rockefeller, like in them days, a lot of people speak on like how people relationships was weird, like they always said jay-z and cam relationship was a little shaky. They always said, like you and mac was a little. You mean like right, so did that come from? Like the rapping competition thing, or people was really just not feeling each other, like both, I mean both, probably.
Speaker 2:I mean you being young. I mean I'm like I feel like nobody can't be my boss. You're not the boss man I get signed to be. You mean, I mean I just didn't like the fact that they had made him the boss of the property, like man, he ain't the boss of me. Yeah, that's my. I mean that's who I took it at that time. You mean, as a young person, I mean like I'm like I came up the hard way too. You know what I mean. Like because I was on the Hard.
Speaker 2:Knock Life Tour. Being on the Hard Knock Life Tour. I was on the Hard Knock Life Tour too, just with DMX yeah. You know, what I'm saying. So I'm like nigga. So you know, plus you know, two alpha males, two niggas, that's like for like their being so like. Everybody else could fall in line. I couldn't Right so like. But he was more famous. But that's part of being young. If I was older I probably would've acted different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you probably would've Just understood the assignment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably you know what I mean, or maybe not Real rap.
Speaker 1:Maybe not Real rap, so so Alright. So State Property 1. That was the, the first CD Y'all came about with. Yeah, like you didn't release anything On Rockefeller Besides that Before the, you didn't release anything on Rockafella besides that before this right the two CDs and a little other miscellaneous shit.
Speaker 2:So what I did start doing before it most people don't know. I put out mixtapes every seven months. This is back when you could sell them and get money off this shit. You could really make a living off of it. You know what I mean. Tomorrow you supplying all the stores this is something that had a lot of record stores, all the stands shipping. Tomorrow you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars off your mixtapes. So I started seeing that I said, oh shit, this is a good hustle. It was almost like selling drugs, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So I started doing that. I put out, I think, 17 of them. You know some shit like that no-transcript. You was gonna sell drugs right so everybody around you like. You mean so like. It was like, it was like. I mean automatically kinda, you mean so like. But I always, I always hustle so like. That's why I always had like extra, extra, extra, I mean paper type I. I mean I always wanted to start up with a brick and shit like that, but I never had one.
Speaker 3:Now you start getting some paper, you go man. I didn't want a brick.
Speaker 5:I just didn't bow. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, sure, I don't want no kids out there to do this, and I'm just telling you what I did. I mean, it's not glorifying it, but it's like that's what I knew and I was good at that. So I was, plus you, scared to go back to being broke.
Speaker 1:I mean you don't want to be very serious.
Speaker 2:You be poor shit, then you get some money and get fucked up again. That's like. That's like a nightmare, yeah, I mean. But I said I've never nightmare that one day I'm go to the studio and not be able to think of nothing, but I have all these reps in my pocket papers. I mean that's a breakdown right there. Like man, you professional, you gotta do this shit for real. Ain't no days coming in there, you ain't you gotta have, you gotta be on point every day. Yeah, so, even though it never happened to me, I just love one of my fears like what's that going?
Speaker 3:I can't think of no, like you mean so it's happening now with the professional one, and that never happened to me, though.
Speaker 1:So besides your 100 events in your deal. People like to talk about the negative a lot and we like to share like, share light on the positive. What was the most share like share light on the positive. What was the most like, even if it's revenue? Or like, oh yeah, we at this height of, uh, popularity, what was the most successful part?
Speaker 2:that's the thing for me, right, even though you're going on tour here and there doing stuff like that, right, you're making money. Every month you make money, but at the beginning of the month you get five thousand just automatically.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I mean period, every month just for being signed yeah, yeah, if I think, if I thought I was like, I mean it was like so that, pay your bills, they pay your phone bill, they pay you two way. I mean you have clothes, you got everybody wearing rock and stay properly closed. That's uh, it's free. I mean that's the everything you want. Basically, you spoil you for real, like I mean you, just you spoil you, but the internet was out. It should have been over, bro. It would have been over, bro. You know what I'm saying? Listen, I don't have no complaints about that, because at the end of the day I'm like man, shit, my rent only was like not even $1,000, bro At first. Right, so I moved, but still you're getting five bands. You know what I mean. So now you can pay a girl, you can pay people out. I mean I drunk 40s. I never smoked 40s two dollars, eat chicken wings.
Speaker 2:I mean I haven't really had to put that one you mean about. You mean until I started buying hot cars and shit like that. Yeah, bro, I didn't even know about credit. I didn't know about none of that. I ain't know. I know I thought you the buy car, that you had to get how much you cost and go buy it. I never, I mean I, bro, I know about a car note too. Like I got like 30, bro, because people ain't talking about like that.
Speaker 2:I I guess they assume that you know my manager wanted me to get my Jaguar, my XK8. I got all this bread and I'm like why the fuck do I have all that money on you? I'm like, bro, I'm about to buy the car. He's like man, give me that money. He took my money and he swiped it on his credit card and the little receipt came out, like when you buy a whole game from the poppy store the little receipt. I said what like that? What the fuck? Teach me all that shit. How the fuck you do that. You know what I mean. I'm going in there with a whole 70-something bands and go. You know what I mean. He's like, bro, you draw it. Like you know what I mean. So I was a nigga from the streets for real. I ain't know what you mean Because I never went to high school.
Speaker 1:I never went to none of that. Go back a little bit, then we could. What was your? What was your like? Your infatuation with dmx and love riders like why?
Speaker 2:why you love them so much. I love them because they were successful and dmx remind me like a person I can relate to from the streets okay the niggas don't be for niggas be acting. Niggas that rap, that you'll meet them. They like not from the streets. Yeah, they, they rap like they are, but they they meet them in real life. They'd be like these niggas this nigga's a fucking sucker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean so like DMX was how you come across, and I'm going to add on to what he said how did you end up on tour with them?
Speaker 2:My man, hip Dog, the nigga, who I my homie's manager, he that boy. Shout out to Hip Dog he still that boy right now he got he Yonkers Legend. I mean my bro never did all good business with me, took care of me. We in Ohio, we in North Carolina, we everywhere. And I'm talking about I was never used to being home anyway, I didn't really have a home, I was like a nomad, so I'd be on the road with me, going whatever. I mean, I ain't had nothing to miss, I ain't no girl, none of that shit. So I was just trying to get to it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You know, sometimes you have a girl a wrong girl it.
Speaker 4:So it's like hot. Nine, seven come out right and boom, everybody know you.
Speaker 2:It's like hot, how that felt from they know me, though they know how I look.
Speaker 4:All right, yeah right.
Speaker 2:They hear me. They mean you're seeing the place you don't even know that's you, so you mean.
Speaker 4:By hearing you because, like hot, nine, seven come out, that shit was an air by tape that everybody see the players like, that's like the, like CD players, that's like the state property. Basically like coming out party of everybody, hearing y'all together.
Speaker 3:Then the DVD came out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, then the movie.
Speaker 3:No, no, not the movie I'm talking about them up the radio, up the radio station. Yeah, you could visualize, and then you start seeing a lot of other DVDs.
Speaker 1:He touched on that when you was gone. He touched on that, bro, I brought it.
Speaker 2:You know what's crazy? I remember Petey was in Miami. Petey was like oh, you got a MySpace, what the fuck is that? He said MySpace, you talk to people on the computer. I said you talk to people on the computer, for what? Even in MySpace? You wasn't understand, bro. I did not Understand this shit. Like who, what am I talking to him about? Like who the fuck? You know what I mean. So I didn't get it, bro. It took me Too late to get that shit To understand it.
Speaker 1:To my Facebook. They knew, you ain't know. You said Petey said Petey said something About my standpoint. Yo Petey released Some fucking music. Yeah right, you burning me out.
Speaker 2:You know, I brung, yeah, yeah, yeah, huh I brought peter to state property. You know, you know that I see pete. I remember because me and pete was being ciphers and he from freeway neighborhood, though why would freeway bring you up there?
Speaker 1:I wasn't at the freestyle lever there gotta be five parts with this dude, bro.
Speaker 2:Bro, listen too much to cover, bro I'm by community college, though on 17 spring guard. I see pete got my rock channel. I'm like I'm on here. I think he's got a county jail or something. Yeah, like, bro, I'm on, I gotta bring you up there, bro, they. They see me, you can get on. He like I'm with these bulls named uh, aunt furlough and I'm from south philly. They had no strength now I mean. So I went over to the studio. We did a couple songs. I said, pete, just come up there with us. Every time we go up there, anything we do, just come with us. Man basically forced him on in the in the drawing. I mean he was hiding to me. I just there's flow. Now this was crazy. Another state property member all right.
Speaker 1:So so I want, I want to move forward a little bit. So we had the state property, uh, cds and things like that state property one and two, the uh no changing with changing something, yeah, part two, and the movies was coming out while that was coming out, right, so in that moment, like you're rolling the movies, you're rolling the, because you, like you said, you is like state prop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, suckin', lee and Rollin' basically.
Speaker 1:Right, so so, so so with that success. Like you had children at the time, right yeah so, just like you know the way the success come in, being from Philadelphia, we don't have much success dealing with fatherhood, dealing with being a famous rapper at this point. How was that for you?
Speaker 2:like I carry myself, like a famous person ever. Never. I've been a hip to. I'm in the two-seater by myself every day, everywhere, you know so because I feel like, like don't music don't make you famous, you've been a teacher or something like that, somebody, something that really make a difference. I mean I don't. So I never looked at myself especially because of that. I looked at myself especially for other reasons to me, because I care, I really want the same thing I want for myself is from for other. You know what I mean, right, a lot of people not like that. You know what I mean. So if I'm getting money and I'm all happy and you around me and you ain't got no money, I can't really even be happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not even happy.
Speaker 2:no more Niggas don't even be mindful. That's how you get wrapped up. Let me see if that's the type of stuff I always wanted to be able to do.
Speaker 4:The type of that, a young boy. You're gonna remember what happened in a couple of stories you've been had one homie had no teeth.
Speaker 2:I said you're gonna get you too, you're gonna get up here.
Speaker 3:Hattie, you've been in a couple stories up here yo, yo, hey.
Speaker 2:well man, I said bro, I. I said bro, how you got no teeth, bro, like you can get, like you ain't got no teeth. I said, it just don't even matter, you got no teeth, she's going to take care of you too. I mean, it don't matter.
Speaker 5:Wait what I mean?
Speaker 2:basically the shortest thing, because you can do it all by yourself. I mean just whatever, I got you all.
Speaker 4:I mean dude, that's my first day. Like, we got some talk, we got some talk, we got some talk, but I had the homies.
Speaker 2:I had the homies. When I had the homies, I got to say I got to like I got to have this whole squad pop.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow I got to meet y'all.
Speaker 2:I'm like yo say he a rapper I'm like oh, y'all, got y'all oh five, oh six.
Speaker 3:The first time I met me it was bad on joey, I remember like that she was crazy. When, when, when I think you came home or something. I always was coming home, I stayed with you and you was like grabbing all the youngins yeah, yeah, that was wrapping around the city and you was actually asking why y'all not?
Speaker 2:yeah, you're not doing it, nobody else was doing it, that there was like under status us. That's known because then when I, my music was everywhere, there was every city, every every everywhere what changed?
Speaker 2:what you mean philly well from now on and then like but philly well, see back then it was the same thing. There was no unity back then like that. It was like a lot of like beef, like that, yeah that's why he was so looked at for doing it yeah, I'm in the car. I'm in the car with mick mills, Right, and I said I'm about to go to the studio. Nh called me. He, like you want to go to the drop me off. I'm like for what we got a problem.
Speaker 5:Y'all got a problem.
Speaker 2:You're. Nh Took him to the studio Like man, what the fuck? So and he called his little homies, whatever it was. Y'all niggas got to fix it, y'all got to fix it. So I took them to this room like a balcony joint. When they finished talking, they came out. We did the song. It was like me, nh Kaboom, all the homies on the song. That song is on one of my mixtapes and they've been cool ever since when it could have really been some shit, so like that's. I was like big brother to all the like. I mean, that's basically like that. You need something? Just call me yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's the system. Like I'm not your manager, I don't want nothing. I got to get money. I don't need nothing from you. I mean just just win, that's it. If I get up, you can make my tickets. If we all up, if one of us fall off and I'm the only one getting money, we're done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So I want to ask you something, right? You've been through, so See, this is the thing, right.
Speaker 3:This is crazy.
Speaker 1:This is crazy, bro, because me and you are alike in a lot of ways, bro. I'm just not your age yet. You feel me. So there's a whole other part of me that I ain't even see yet, that you have saw what I'm saying, but the whole story about your teenage and that's my whole job like placements to all that. So this is what I learned that you grow and you become different.
Speaker 2:Probably like every decade, you're a whole different person, and that's how life meant to be if you're paying attention to certain things and accepting certain things and well, you're gonna be past me, though, because the way your age, the way you talk, I couldn't speak like how you could talk when I at your age yeah I wasn't.
Speaker 2:I wasn't that advanced like that. I mean I just think I I should think a lot, but I wasn't talking because, like we're raising in prisons, like you don't really talk like that, because you don't think that's where you got it from though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. Like like Glenn Mills and all. That's how I learned how to be respectful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, glenn Mills, I ain't going to go, I ain't going to go, I'm going to go to Quest.
Speaker 1:Because, Glenn Mills, you know he beat your ass.
Speaker 2:Real crazy. That probably would have changed. Question you sleep outside that, the, let alone. What vision. Question you sleep outside, intense, if you're there for two years. You sleep on this outside, on the ground, bro, and they're sleeping back. Why don't you see me back? For two years, bro, you walk from from pennsylvania to oklahoma, florida oh, you was in virginia, south maryland. No, it was called. It was called medicine, it was like bro, I was up there, I was the wagon train, bro, I was in grove city.
Speaker 1:No, we ain't gonna get into the jail. Listen, it's the story. You eat the same breakfast I was in Groove City. No, we ain't going to get into the jail. Type of drawings, let me say this Listen, it's a story.
Speaker 2:You eat the same breakfast and lunch every day. The only thing different is the wagon train. Breakfast and lunch is the same every day. What was the main? The only thing changed is dinner. Breakfast is I mean, I don't eat peanut butter and jelly. Now, lunch is peanut butter and jelly, like you got to feed. So this is how it go. We walk 20 miles or 15 miles driving the mules and some people walk in, go to the next camp, set up the TPs, go to sleep. You do that all the way down the East Coast. You know what I mean, bro. You take a shower once a week. You get a phone call every 21 days who going to visit you. Where the vision?
Speaker 1:This the real vision question. This the shit. This the real vision question.
Speaker 2:You know where you get a home pass If you got 10 years, 5 years, a juvenile life. You get a home pass two weeks before you're about to get out. So I had indefinite, so I didn't know when I was getting out, just so you could fuck up.
Speaker 6:So you could fuck up and get booked.
Speaker 2:But listen, I remember. Listen, this is crazy, bro. I've never seen TV in so long. So when they finally get to see TV, I mean you'll be outside so long Before you go home. You got to go to this place called Residential. It's a house, so you get used to being in a house Because you ain't been in a house in years. You go in the house, you feel like you're claustrophobic. Right, the TV was in there and I see OJ. I'm like that's the time OJ went to trial.
Speaker 2:I was in adult prison. I'm getting out when he's getting chased. By the time the nigga was going to trial, I'm booked for a robbery. So I got a vision course. I went straight back to jail again. You know what I mean, mind you, you were in there for two years. I was in there two years. You ain't seen nobody. No visits, no mom, no dad, none of that type of shit in the woods. You'd be lost, for that just took two years of your whole. Like you, you mean you, I got, but locked up, the was out. Throw you guys in the air. Remember the onyx I got. When I got out, biggie was out. I'm like who the is? Biggie, I mean not that I know all the rappers what the is. Crack, mac you mean, because you don't get to see you there. None of that, bro I mean. So so, like vision, quest was different and it's hands-on, they you up yeah, yeah I mean I got my arm broke up.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I ain't saying no, but it was my fault. That's because you're obviously more than said Real pious, nice white boy, me being a young dickhead, kept playing with him. I ain't touching you. See, I ain't touching you. He said don't touch me. I kept having my finger like this to him right.
Speaker 2:All these young boys that don't think never said nothing to us about that shit. Right, twist my shit. I'm in the hospital. I said this nigga, this nigga, so humble and quiet he be sitting. I'm like that's why he be sitting there, like that he be. Like this nigga, he go fucking karate butt cut the foot. I said this shit is great. You know what I mean. He broke my shit.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So so you know, we at after state property, and then I've went. I really want to go back on the whole dame dash, the whole thing. It's just a lot. Well, oh, you feel me, oh, but I really wanted to ask you this before I ask you any other question.
Speaker 1:You know the way life go, you feel me, we become different people. Same name, same social security number, but if you really go through certain experiences and take certain things, then we become different people. So what I want to ask you is we know oh ski, no, for, like us, meek said it first person who showed me I was oh ski, no, we hear stories all the time cheek always standing on broad and something, something. Oh ski, no, the one who put me in a car, haddy, um, yeah, for sure, everybody like it's like, everybody who was like popping at that time is always oscino. So I wanted to ask you like 100, do you think you that already was instilled in you or you think that the things that you went through with jay-z and death jam and state property made you like that? No?
Speaker 2:it's just my life, like I mean, because I remember my first foster home used to be I had a homie named jose. That's when I was like a kid kid, we both was kids, kids. There was a girl and I was gonna be listening and I mean and she used to come in our room and could take him out the room and and I said, always want to do, she was, she was like 16. We was like nine, I mean, and I should always be trying to bait like we should not get taken for him. I mean I never had a little brother, all my brothers, older than me, right? So I mean, so, like anybody younger than me, I just always feel like I take, I look out for you, I mean that's just. I just always been since I was a. You know what I mean. So, like if a nigga younger than me, I give him I'd do the same thing I would do for my little brother.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, little brother. You can't charge him no money for nothing. Like my man, deezy, I ran into TLA on South Street. I had a show. I was charging him $1,000. I opened up, deezy brought me $1,000. I said, bro, if I take this $1,000, I'm going to hit your mouth for 25,000 years Because my little I mean my easy easy yeah, these are the pieces born, I mean I think this is born, you mean.
Speaker 2:So it's like even, even, uh, uh, uh, what the is uh? Reese, reese, oh, you're reese I don't took reese up to the come up show. You see it online. Yeah, I mean like he won't. Uh, my appetizer six. I mean you got song on there. I mean, see, people always want to say something to you after you die, but they didn't do nothing to you when you was living. I could show niggas what I was doing for niggas before they was living.
Speaker 3:It's on camera, Mind you I get nothing out of it.
Speaker 2:If I'm taking you up to my come up show, that means I'm shortening my time, but I don't even think like that. I took my DZF to Lazy K.
Speaker 3:Rob Markman, you took a lot of people.
Speaker 2:DJ K Slay, I took that nigga who just died, from New York, DJ K Slate. I took DJ up K Slate. I mean so like, but that's how your man posted dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The fuck I mean. But not these niggas, but sometimes you so powerful they be jealous of you. You don't even know it, you ain't even thinking about them. Shit like that. They try to cut you out and do shit like that to you because that's why I just be falling back like I mean because I can't, I mean because it's so soft like you call me, like oh, what the you did to me? I ain't like it. Like my is a young boy. He got a clothing line. He said he said that we had an argument, right, I, I didn't think it was an argument, but I talked to him. I said yo, if I feel like that, I apologize to you because it ain't like that. I mean, you're my young boy, but some people don't know how. They just think you're trying to be bad at them or something Right.
Speaker 3:But see when I was growing up that's how I always talked to you. I do that a lot.
Speaker 2:When he talk him out. But you know what that's? People that love you the most. Like me, you give me a million dollars. You, my man, I might take a stack out and I'm going to tell you I took a stack, bro. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like you ain't got to worry about no fucking that fagging sneaky around shit. Like you know what I mean. They think it's me sneaking around, man, I don't care.
Speaker 1:So they don't like think I, because I told you. But they know I'm effectuated with hip-hop. I think I heard this out of everybody mouth, but yours like, like, when it come to interviews, the death of a dynasty man, yeah, damn, yeah, jay-z, I don't even know what side biggs was on in that few um. All right, then that does this even more up now that y'all said that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he hated. He hated jay-z more than dame did what they said he hated jay-z more than dame.
Speaker 4:That what they say is is that that, that um hov wanted to get rid of biggs, that Hov wanted to get rid of Biggs? Dane was like I'm not this, my man from Harlem. I'm not. No, I'm not doing that. Know what I mean?
Speaker 2:That's the original my thing. I was just heard about it because I just seen three people that was rich Like richer than any black people I've seen in my life Any black man yeah, bro, if you seen this shit, bro, to see it with your own eyeballs, the money was.
Speaker 1:So was it really like they said, like that some people go dang way and some people go whole way, or all people, really Everybody? Went whole way, except for me, for some reason, when I was a young boy Get the fuck out of here, hold on hold, on hold, on Hold on yeah.
Speaker 2:How, what you mean? How I mean when the Dame was like oh, I don't got no record label, I ain't doing no music shit. I said bruh, I'm getting money already, I just want to fucking get it. I mean, so I just hang with Dame everywhere, Everybody's with me.
Speaker 4:What was the DVD and all that?
Speaker 2:Damn. I asked Dame to get on the seat. Dame came in my trousers to stand for me. Bro, dame, no, dipset wasn't doing their own thing. They ain't even done that. That was already like they ain't even have a record label, really. You know, the Young Guns put out their second album. But my thing is, I didn't be so famous, you didn't really need a record label. You're somebody, you already a brand already.
Speaker 1:But on Watch the Dome, jay-z and Kanye John. There's a track called why why I love you. And uh, jay-z said I try to teach how to be the king and all they ever want to do is be a soldier. Was that true?
Speaker 2:like was people too young and they wanted to like the could take cool raps, but he's not a cool person talk about anybody could say cool rap, that's a cool quote.
Speaker 2:You mean like, my thing is that don't resonate to me when I see you and see what you do right I mean, and this ain't no doubt, I thought he saved my life, but at the same time I still got to call a spade a spade, like. I mean, like, at the end of the day, I mean, you do stuff like this. That's not thorough. If I tell y'all to go shoot us in my house, right, did I get back cool with the? And don't make the cool with y'all and y'all don't want to shut up his house. I'm a sucker. I put y'all in a line of fire and I'm going to make up with this nigga and this nigga still wants y'all heads. That's how he did when he told us to come at Nas. I don't know Nas, I ain't never. I mean yo, what? What y'all?
Speaker 1:ain Yo, I swear to God, I be telling you it's just street things and then it's just man etiquette. You tell us to diss this nigga, we don't know this nigga?
Speaker 2:I don't know this nigga. I don't got a problem with this nigga at all he straight told y'all just go at him, but it's the Hot 97 to do that, just that you know what I'm saying. So when you get back cool with him, why don't you?
Speaker 3:But without us Nas probably wouldn't be whole Whole, probably wouldn't even be whole for who he is right now.
Speaker 2:I didn't even notice that that y'all was going in on all Queens beats and all that, but we didn't know what beats they were putting on, whatever beats they were putting on. But JC set it up for us to come down there and do what we did.
Speaker 4:But my thing is, bro, it's not like y'all know what the fuck it is.
Speaker 2:What did? He killed that cousin. Act like he killed your cousin. See what I'm saying. You know what I mean. But my thing is this you did all this shit right when your career was on the line.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. I told you I seen you was rocking the rock chain and all that shit. I would never wear it because how you got rock chain and hitting the game, he had a little lunch type of shit I mean to me. So they niggas scared to talk about it Like I'm not. You know what I mean. Like I mean you got. If I got a billion dollars, I'm not going to have a daughter somewhere she left out. I'm not going to have a son. I got a billion dollars. I mean they're automatically rich. You got a billion dollars, bro. I ain't trying to. You can't. Really You're not a better person than me. You know what I'm saying. Nigga don't got no money. He don't got no money, no money to take care of him. That's one thing, bro. You got all the money In the world. That's different To me. I'm looking like Nigga. How can I look up to you?
Speaker 3:I don't want to be like you. I don't want to be like fuck all that other shit.
Speaker 2:You got your kids with Beyonce. That's all you talk about. I mean, you're not gross If y'all got daughters, y'all know a girl Girls really is a daughter.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a daughter.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. That girl looks just like him, bro, and it's not dope Listen, but this is what I'm saying. If you know girls, daughters, they got two daughters.
Speaker 3:So who's got a daughter he not taking care of?
Speaker 2:We might take care of her now on the low, but she not even getting, she won't even acknowledge it, you know, like in her 30s right. Yeah, it's like. I think she's like, yeah, like late 20s, something like that. She was in Southern Maryland, yes, maryland.
Speaker 3:I'm talking about, bro. I'm just the lethal to that.
Speaker 1:So when you?
Speaker 3:said Maryland, it's just like.
Speaker 2:Salisbury Maryland, yeah, salisbury Maryland, we ain't going to do that.
Speaker 3:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is this I don't want to be like you, right, money-wise. I wouldn't even want to be like you because I wouldn't have that much money, just to say that I'm a billionaire. I don't care about none of that shit, because life's short. When you start getting to a certain age, you're like, damn, I'm about to be dead soon. What difference are you going to make? I mean because none of your kids are going to be in this world. You want your kids to only want to be rich.
Speaker 3:That's a target. We're going to have security. Maybe it's like when I grew up, like in a generation where, like a lot of people ain't take care of their kids.
Speaker 2:But listen, if you got a billion, they ain't have a billion dollars though.
Speaker 3:No, they ain't have a billion dollars. That's the difference. They ain't have a billion. They would have took all of it.
Speaker 2:Of course people don't take care of their kids. That's what I mean. You ain't got it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you ain't got it. This is one of those type of Jones like when you cheat on your wife or you cheat on somebody or something you can't bring that kid home.
Speaker 2:Bro, listen, when you got a billion dollars, you can do anything you want. Right, you only got to be there. You can get somebody to be the dad. Yeah, you going to be her dad, all right, you can do anything, you can do anything you want. You're not understanding, bro.
Speaker 1:You can do anything. You all know is today, then bro listen bro.
Speaker 2:He always had that. Yeah, bro, you could bro bro listen to you a hundred million dollars money.
Speaker 3:See, this is what I'm talking about. See, I'm going back to mental health. His popping wasn't in his life, but you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:I'm going back to that.
Speaker 3:But my thing is that you but let's say you got a hundred million dollars- but that's where he clicking in his head because it happened, but that made me not look up to you.
Speaker 2:I can't look up to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can't look up to that. I don't give a fuck about that.
Speaker 2:But you can look up to your other kids. I mean, I don't One of the things. We got a billion dollars. If you got 10 million dollars, 10 million, fuck this, my kid, I don't give a if I see you or not. You rich, that's my thing is you just rich, period. I don't gotta like you and then I gotta see you, but I'm rich, so you gotta be rich okay, I can't out here not rich, that'll make me look crazy.
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah, so like you, always been like somebody that um that always gave the game like you always been informative and gave the information, like, give me that part of you and why? Why you always do it like, why you always have that.
Speaker 2:Because I never look at people as competition. I don't look like, oh, if I give you this, you're going to pass me.
Speaker 2:I don't give a fuck about all that, because whatever God got for you, he's going to have for you anyway, you know what I'm saying, my whole thing is this I just want to be able to look in the mirror and know I love myself to death because I knew the shit I did for people. I don't care if nobody else don't know. I know People forget that. They don't know that they worry about what people are going to think, what they're going to say. If you don't let yourself first, that shit don't even matter. You let people fake you. They don't even know if they're going to let it real you, because you'll never be real to yourself You're scared to say this I'm not doing all that, I'm not pussyfooting around. Even if I had to eat trash, I don't give a fuck. I'm still going to be me. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but my thing is this though when you really believe in God, no matter what your religion is, you always feel like you're always going to have it. If you have a way enough, you're never going to be like lot of money for a long time. If you ain't got $100 million, you're going to spend it. I mean period. You know, when you're young you're like man, that's. But I always had it, even when I was a kid. I always had it. God always provided for me.
Speaker 1:I mean because I ain't going it. You mean, so let me ask you this, right, because that's what I said, like your legacy is. So your legacy is so much of a like fruitful genre where you see, like you got signed in 99 and rockefeller pride or your state property pride, like 2004, 2005, 06, when there was like an end to it, and you see we already passed that Like with you. I don't got to talk about this year to this year.
Speaker 4:It's like keep going, you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean, right, yeah, for sure. So from that, like we already passed, like Dame and Jay-Z falling out, and then after that, so so I want to ask you right, you already said it like well, hov, like understand completely why you looked at him the way you looked at him. And when we was talking about Mack earlier, you was just like you just ain't like the fact that they made him the boss of Rockefeller, like you got signed and I mean, but y'all didn't have a real problem. So when did you and Mac problem come?
Speaker 2:like it's always like. I just feel like I just felt like he wasn't the genuine, wasn't a genuine person like he was, like a man. I just ain't like, like we just ain't like each other really I mean be honest I wasn't like, it wasn't no super thing.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know what really, why I think you kind of said it like because you had your own deal already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're putting me with these guys.
Speaker 2:I don't mean we don't get along, even if they don't know they still be doing shit to me. I mean even to this day. I mean but, but, but I'm learning.
Speaker 2:I don't get to try to react to stuff different I mean, because what happens is none of that shit at all. Whatever you say, that's what it is. You know what I mean. But my thing is this when I get motivated, I pass everybody. Because I write songs, I get busy. You know what I mean. Niggas don't really get busy. They still run off with the old shit. You know what I mean. And this ain't no shade, this ain't I know everybody. You know what I mean. But I just think when you powerful, you got presence about yourself, they don't want you around because they can't be they self.
Speaker 3:All right, one thing I want to say like you inspire me because the way you talk and you articulate yourself and you pretty much you know like you speak up. You know, what I'm saying. You don't hold nothing back, you don't speak up. But I want to know, like some of these times, like some of those situations you've been through, like, do you like look back and be like, damn, I could have did?
Speaker 2:that another way, yeah, for sure but that's how you learn right. I mean I don't like what I, but it never was the time I said did something like I should have did it. I should have did it differently, differently, yeah I could have went another way but.
Speaker 2:But it wasn't meant for it to happen like that was meant to happen. Exactly how it happened, you know, because, at the end of the day, if you, if you, live a perfect life, you're never gonna learn that so so so you and uh and the breakup, you basically going going like leaning towards dame, but they broke up madder than you, because you worked plus, I was getting money at the time most of my life at the time.
Speaker 2:you mean, I was rolling, so was rolling, so much that shit ain't matter. At that point I'm on some whole other type of shit.
Speaker 4:Bust an old part.
Speaker 2:I'm getting 10 bricks and 200 bands. But what happened was, let me tell you where my life took a switch. It's kind of what y'all are leaning towards. I was in Dallas, about to get out 2015. I'm in my cell, mind you, the whole time I'm in my cell, mind you, the whole time I'm in jail, I'm thinking I'm going to come out and hustle. I'm not going to say the whole time, but more than half I'm going to do this. That's my whole mentality. I'm inside my cell Every other Sunday. I say watch Lifetime. I sit in my cell, watch Lifetime. My shit buzz. Two guards come in.
Speaker 2:I'm like what the want to do it? Yeah, man, and if I don't do it, I'm about to go home soon. I'm gonna get I mean, you can't make the roll stripping in there. And and for some reason, I don't know why, this day, this day, hurt me. Man. I was like, mind you just sell, like the size of a Dallas sells, small as shit. Like two niggas in there, white boy, they throwing your shot, they naked in there, like. And I just felt like I don't know what. I just bothered me so much this day but I said I can't do this shit no more. So I started in the plane. What can I do? I said I'm gonna go home and be a regular person. I'm gonna go to school for something. I'm gonna go. I already had my barber license from in there. I'm gonna go, you mean, and I don't care.
Speaker 2:Fuck with nobody you was yeah I don't care what nobody think, right, I mean, and I came home with this all-state trucking school, right, and I had to pop in there have, have my little they were all young and shit right and try to be regular, but it just wasn't meant for me. I mean, I do school, go to get a job. They said we can't use you, like what, because, like I said, like when you think you got a plan, they don't got nothing to do with you.
Speaker 1:That's what's MPA.
Speaker 2:But I came home and it back. So to not make that call was like it took like everything out, yeah, everything. You know what I mean. And so the girl you're living with you hate it. You hate this, bro. I was more happy in jail than when I first came home. That's you like. I'm like man. I should have just stayed the in jail, okay, this, like you're on parole, you can't tiptoe in.
Speaker 2:The parole is different from probation Parole. You get caught pissing in the alley, you go upstate. You get driving without a license you go upstate. You got a beer in your refrigerator. You go upstate. Somebody sitting on your step smoking you go upstate. I mean any little thing. You go to prison. I'm talking about. You do anything and it's like I'm old want you to pay all this money. So I'm, but I was, you know, a girl. Then if you got with the wrong person, they come like yo the whole parole over your head. You can't. I mean you just gotta be careful. That's why I stopped drinking when I came home. It's like I can't make. I remember this, though. This is what I remember.
Speaker 2:What did you say? I'm going to say what happened. Listen. The boy, jimmy the Saint, got me locked up Right For a homicide. Yeah, he got me locked up for a homicide Right. And when I beat the homicide they were just trying to lock me up On my top, locking me up for everything, right. One day they picked me up and I'm going to the store. I I'm like yo. They locked me up, took me to the police station, got this lady to come look at me. I'm like what the fuck? You got this lady looking at me. She told me somebody raped her, right? I said fuck you all looking at me for Like, I mean this man's just late. I'm like 20-something still, this bitch like 50. I said, well, if I'm a rapist, well, I'm gonna rape her. She got these. The boy Jimmy D's thing got caught some work in his crib and he just put me under the bus right.
Speaker 2:I never knew he did that to me. 20 years later I never knew who did it right. So then I get so boom. So the boy tapped the back of my car and said I robbed him right, we ain't had no argument or nothing in that shit, right, delaney Foxworth, you know who he was right. So I lost that shit, lost the case against him. He said he tried to blackmail me for 10 bands. He said if you give me 10 bands, I'm going to say you robbed me, Right. So I was going to jail, but it's like for shit out of my control. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Then the crazy part Anthony DeFino, the judge who locked me in for the robbery that I didn't do. He died in the fire. He married by name, he played with the Bentley, so we can't leave. I mean they got the shit taped off. So I'm parking the street. I just thousands of people out there. This movie's popping right street lounge, yeah, but run that way. But it's called something else. Then was the one across from the middle to it? You know it's to what? The one on the other, one on the right side matter of fact.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that. So spring garden, yeah, so. So beans was parked on the sidewalks. My and his Bentley did right, so the joint blocked off. So I'm in the park, I'm parked on the side street. Some boy, I'm in the parking spot. Somebody hit the back of my car. I'm like fuck, we're not even moving. Why you? We got the car. I'm in the rental though, so I ain't really give. I said boy, you broke the back light. He said give me. Days later the cops are like yo, we only talked to you about something. I'm like what, what? Come down there. The boy say he robbed me. I'm like robbed. When Then I see the boy on the court, he's like give me some bands. I'm going to say he robbed me. You know what I mean? Like I lost that shit Went to. I did my time. So every time I get booked I can't get out. On the entertainer, I can't get out. Yeah, it's a bullfuck. My whole shit up. They can't fix the felon and everything, bro.
Speaker 1:That is crazy bro.
Speaker 2:Delaney Foxworth is his name. He live in Delaware now.
Speaker 1:So look right, so we can't. I got like two more questions, but we can't even go any further, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got to do a part two, bro. We going to have to, but listen to this though I want to say this one time, bro, oh Listen. Delaney.
Speaker 5:Foxworth though I thought you was about to say it. No, no, no, I was going to say something else, delaney.
Speaker 2:Foxworth, if you're watching this, bro, you got to. We can, though you got to make this.
Speaker 2:I mean on the court. He got on the stand and said yo, he ain't rob me, but he's been saying I robbed him for like a year. So when he said on the stand, right, the cops from my homicide case was in the courtroom yeah, the same thing happened to the homicide. He said he did it and they said he didn't do it, either he paying them off or he threatening them. Immediate custody. The judge said immediate custody.
Speaker 2:I found something fishy going on. Booked me on, book me right. No spot like that, right. But what I'm saying? That don't stand. That should be some type of way for me to better get that just sponged off.
Speaker 2:My I mean took off my like. I mean I've been a convicted felon now for that. She was like 2002 to champion. You mean so it's 20 something years. I mean that you know when you convict the felony, you can't live certain places in your name. You can't work in the hospital school. It sets your down from so many, so many things that you're forced to become you, forced to. I mean, and there's another nigga. A nigga did this to me. I'm talking about a nigga, a regular nigga. He can't leave without our show. I said I locked up a robber's mic for $60 at the show. I got to pay $5,000 for him. That don't even make sense and I fucking lost. Then the judge said I don't think you did this robbery. I think you did was a typical boy. So the oldest, jimmy the Saint, jimmy the Saint, I Correct, yeah, my manager brothers, they get put me in the studio and all that, bro, I hate bull because when the boy got killed it was a two of them.
Speaker 2:One guy killed one, didn't. The boy who didn't die. I kept reaching out to him cuz I forgot why you saying I did it he never will answer me did like three years ago he answered my Facebook. Talk to me, he's like man. He told me I saw the board Jimmy to say he answer on Facebook. Talk to me, he's like man. He told me. I said I found out the boy, jimmy the same. He said Brian, because when I went to court he was looking at me like man. He look boy, look too tall.
Speaker 2:Mind you, I've been in jail for like a year fighting a homicide on CFCF. Man, innocent as fuck. There's nothing like being in prison when you're innocent. They should not give you the death penalty, bro, that shit like me, if you type in that shit Coming right up on the daily news Like Rapper beats, murder, rat, worst case Mistaken. I didn't even say that I mean. But instead of them Saying like we sorry for doing it to you, they make them feel like you got away with something. So that's why I got three to six years For some weed, like you know, for the weed Like oh yeah, we want him anyway. All cats you mean so. So, in the nutshell, make everybody look at you like all you do is get locked up when it ain't even you. Yeah, I mean, that's what I was labeled as. All you do is get locked up all the time. You mean these niggas. I mean that shit was crazy bro damn man.
Speaker 1:So I want to, I want to like, we can't. I don't even want another word said before we touch on this man. Uh, I don't want to say the wrong thing, but like I, I tell everybody I wish I knew you so much around this time. But, uh, I think it was around like 2019, 2020. Um, you lost a son, that's what I'm saying. Uh, my condolences, man, for real man. Uh, I wish I knew you so bad at that time, man, all the stuff I've been doing my life.
Speaker 2:If you take all of it and add it times a thousand, it won't be equal to that. Yeah, it won't equal to that. It's the worst thing ever. It's the only words that you can explain.
Speaker 1:That's why I made sure I brung that up. And then, on top of that, even though Mooji a little older and you know, with certain feelings that he might have towards you, and you know, like I, I I did my research, all the interviews, so I'm not just a god just talking like I heard his side and it's unfortunate you feel me, we know it's crazy about that situation yeah he was tight on the streets and they never had never told me.
Speaker 2:I have no problem at all be tight. Since he was a kid like. So I thought he was my son because I know him but my main blame him on me. That's why he live on 31st and tasking. His mom made from 31st and tasking so I had to go to another house to meet my son and we end up being cool and start getting money together because I'm thorough like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah like up there with his mom. His mom ain't there. I mean, but kids, a son gonna love his mom. And I never told my son like yo, I ain't know you nigga, cause there was no need to tell him that you ate my son. Now, come on, we rockin' he go, your brothers that's the crazy part that's the
Speaker 2:crazy part. He hold stuff against me that he, bro. Your mom is who you need to hold this against. But you know moms is sons and they moms usually is fights. Your mom blames you on five people that I know of. You know what I mean. Majo's a nigga that was in CFCF with me. They had their picture on the wall. You know what I'm saying. So I'm like bro, but I found out you was mine. I took a test from the rip. You're mine. Come on, we rocking.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's why I said we like, so I ain't even had to tell him. I'm apologize to him, whatever. I mean, that's my son.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. So like he can say nuts stuff about me, I don't care, it's never going to be over, I'm never going to not care about you, I'm never going to not love you, I'm never going to not. I mean, you're my son. At the end of the day, I made you bro, you know. So he like it's like he wanted to be in company, but I love him to death.
Speaker 2:But we never had no, no problems at all on the streets, right, but when you meet a kid eight, you can't beat him. Yeah, you can't meet a kid eight years old and beat him. So you can't really chastise him because they don't even. They might just come get him. So sometimes he wouldn't even want to go. He don't know me, he ain't know me at all. I forced myself into his life. You mean that part. You don't got brothers and I think it's didn't be together. You know what I'm saying. So like the stuff that you feel, you know kids, kids see stuff different than the parent do a parent see it clearer because they were grown.
Speaker 2:They was grown you see it, you don't see it. The fact that you got your step pop, because that's still your step, that's my, and that I came over there with your step-up, I'm like I don't know how this nigga gonna be. But whatever it is, I'm trying to make it work. We end up being like brothers. So we come over, we over there, playing bro, you got your dad there, your step-up, and your step-up dad upstairs. There's no need for you about my son is that he did all this nuts stuff, whatever he's doing out here, but he take it, he won't get him doing.
Speaker 1:No crying about it, he ain't telling bro he never.
Speaker 2:I've never called him. I never talked to him. One time he was sad. I saw y'all talk. No, he took. When he first got a job. You know I sent him money for his tv and all that stuff like that. I mean. Then he started getting his bag. I I don't know. But see, when you're a parent you don't forget the kids. You know they dumb because they used them. He never was me before, he never my age before, so he can't even think. I can think how he think, but only difference with me. I ain't have a dad, so I ain't never get a chance to blame it on this person. To blame it on this person, I had to get his shit done. Yeah, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:Nobody sending me money. I had to draw pictures in jail to get commissary. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, so he don. When you don't want to rob a store. But you got to rob a store. You don't want to rob the store, like damn, I wish I didn't have to rob the store you got to rob that. You ain't going to eat. Yeah, you know what I mean. Shit like that. He don't know about none of that and I'm glad he don't know that.
Speaker 3:But see if he was smart what he would have done was use me as a you going through what you go through. You went through it so your kids can't or won't have to bro, bro, I remember my dad.
Speaker 2:I did my dad for nine months period, like he might say he died 1990. So yeah, I figured that's 30 something. I mean so come on, not even that I have no dad to talk to it at all, period you give me, only had you had it for nine months, you mean. So that's a whole different type of thing.
Speaker 3:I just want to say that we just broke down the difference between hove and oh, you know what I'm saying. You went and forced yourself in your kid's life and somebody else ran from their kid. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:My son was out of jail right now. He might be bad with it for a while, but eventually you're going to come back to your dad because the person always never going to judge, the person always got to forgive you. People on the streets can just cut you off. I can't cut you off because I'm your dad, so I got to. I mean, in Madu, I'm just like nigga. I feel the same way. I feel like man, fuck you too. I can say the same thing. You mean so like because I don't need you for shit. That's the natural human. Yeah, but I don't need you for sure you need. If anything, you would need me. I'm saying I would never say fuck you because I already know you gonna grow up one day and you gonna be different.
Speaker 3:So important. There were a lot of fathers going through that, like what you speaking man so like in our community. It's like something going on. Where's though, like I don't want, I don't want to say listen, let me say like this I don't claim to be no perfect father at all I don't know how to dad my son.
Speaker 2:How the fuck I'm gonna know how to be a father.
Speaker 3:There's a disconnect right now it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not. It's not the kids. These days, I think they're more spoiled than we was when I was growing up. My, when I was growing up, you got a dad at all. Even if you enjoy it, you're hyped to have a dad period. Yeah, that's a bust, but nowadays they feel like prima donnas. Imagine if they write for themselves like that. Maybe that's what they owe. But I didn't have it. We don't really know how exactly to be and I didn't know that kids, they want to do that. You know what I mean. So that's the part I feel guilty about, because I'm thinking like Nigga, I'm about you ain't got to be hungry, you ain't got fly sneakers, you ain't got to run. None of that shit. I'm taking care of you. That's not taking care, but I didn't know that At the time. I mean, that's all I got to do. I'm selling drugs.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean so that shit.
Speaker 1:I listen, man. Oh man, I try to Get to the meat and potatoes as much as I could In a short segment. If y'all want a part two, no, they getting a part two. If y'all need a part two, comment, just put two, just put the number two, that's it. Well, y'all can say what y'all want. But, this the one thing, cause it's kinda like breaking news. Feel me I need you to touch on this, bro.
Speaker 4:All right, before you do that, though, I'm sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of crisscross.
Speaker 4:I just want to know, because, throughout the music and throughout the Internet, and you learning the Internet, you being on the internet, you keep your authenticity. You've been able to keep your authenticity the whole way through Like no, no, not me Like, tell me, like how important it is for you to keep your authenticity in everything that you do.
Speaker 2:Well, the only way you can do that right is if you get your own money. If you work for somebody else, you can't beat your true self because they might fire you. Yeah See, I always find a way to get money where I ain't got to be, because my thing is this when you come from the slums, you don't have to get millions. If you get some thousands to get by, they'll hold you over until you get back to your bag. You can do that. You don't got to be dick eating and waiting for somebody. Shit that I was not doing. I can't do it. I'm not fucking around, faking it and all that shit to make you happy and you a sucker. How dare I make you feel happy? And you a sucker? You the one that's a sucker. What I do is I love my niggas. If I fuck with you, I fuck with you 100%, or I don't fuck with you at all. I don't really do all that in between. That's why I'm cool with people, because you'll be loving somebody.
Speaker 4:they hate you the whole time you know, I just noticed that, like you've been the whole the same, the whole way through and changed through over the years and like that.
Speaker 2:So you know I hate the most somebody. Somebody say something, you write about somebody. Do you see them? Around, around them and like like what the bro like did y'all fix it or something, y'all fix that, what the that's just crazy that'd be, so weird to me, bro.
Speaker 1:Nah, real, nah, real rad. So, like you know what I mean, like we're going to have to do a For sure OV2, you feel me? That's what you're going to call it OV2. Ski no, vag Squares 2.
Speaker 2:I want to say something to it, like I'm proud of y'all Because y' Like for real, because like it's easy as men, it's easy to like, not see your feelings, not see how you really feel. It took me to be like 40 to learn how to do that shit. Bro, to be honest with you, you know what I mean. But seeing young people doing that shit I'd be like damn, that's supposed to be more of. Y'all advanced, more advanced than my generation is A lot of times people that say I do music't. What's the boy's name with the white white? Uh, d-sturdy or something.
Speaker 4:Too.
Speaker 6:Rare Too Rare.
Speaker 2:I was talking to someone on the internet last night. I mean I said yo bro, you poppin' bro, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 4:You poppin' hard it is to come out of philly, let's say I'm a sucker for bro.
Speaker 2:You ever watch this shit called uh secret boss. Like the secret boss he'd be, like he worked there well every time I'm watching about the crowd, bro, like I'm like yo, I'm so hyper happy because I'd be like to see people do good bro. Like when I see somebody doing good bro, she'd make me feel like some type of way.
Speaker 1:Basically, it'd be like a boss or go to the establishment and act like the employee more time than the owner of the company. And whoever like Really doing good.
Speaker 2:And all that boss Will be like.
Speaker 1:I'm giving you a hundred thousand Like, yeah, like that type of shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So like that shit, like that, make me feel like Yo bro, I'm like I can't watch this. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I want some shit like that Right, because A lot of people, a lot of people when somebody hating on you, right, and they don't even feel it.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying bro, even I was a dirty little kid, bro, I never.
Speaker 2:If I see somebody get money, I'm like I want to be like them. Yeah, I want to ask them how you get that. Yeah, I've never had me, but but I understand you gotta be thankful that god didn't give it to you. Right people, that people that be hating they don I want to be well who want to be gay. You gotta go through all this ridicule and all this stuff. It's something that your god just ain't give it to you. You know what I'm saying. So, like I told myself before, you make fun of somebody, but remember that god didn't give it to you. Be lucky that you didn't give it to you that's why I look in the mirror.
Speaker 1:I could be down to my last hundred, but I'd be happy that I'm not done when you're happy, when you have be rich exactly which has Exactly, I found that out. Rich as a spirit.
Speaker 2:Rest in peace, Rich yeah yeah, yeah, I mean so, like. But just imagine where everybody could talk to each other and be their true self and not hiding and trying to worry about ulterior motives and all that. It'll be a smooth ass. You ever had somebody, a friend? They do some shit to you, like why you do that?
Speaker 2:Yeah land the to you look like it's just like you, you so you don't know who, and then mess you up for messing with somebody else. I mean, whereas though it could have been a good relationship with the next person so, so.
Speaker 1:So this one thing I want, because we gotta you, you're over here too, man, but we gotta do it. I don't want to ask you because it's breaking news for real make sure y'all share, like subscribe comment if you don't.
Speaker 3:you're a hater because it's Hit that notification. Bell Ding.
Speaker 1:I just want to know, bro, what's up with this Charlie Mack stuff bro? Oh man, let me tell you something bro.
Speaker 2:I looked up to Charlie Mack. So much, bro, like it was to the point he could have said, oh, I can't pay you right now. I got you later. I was like, all right, but the fact, off the shows and keeping the money for me, keeping it, whatever. I'm like bro, just pay me bro. What's the problem? I'm going to give a public apology. Now he's starting to lie and say different shit.
Speaker 1:So shows.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. But my thing is this I talk to you regularly. I talk to this nigga regularly. You know what I'm saying. I said, bro, why you ain't paying me, bro? You know what I'm saying? What the fuck you? So, instead of paying me, he must have got it. I don't know, but he's running around doing all this and all this shit. I just think the principle that you're trying to play me when I'm supposed to be. If one of you catfish me, I'm looking at you as a big homie. You've been with the red carpet Will Smith joining the governor and everything. So when I see him do that, I'm like damn bro. But even if you fucked up, but the fact the way he went about what he did, he pretty much blamed it on your man, he didn't pay me.
Speaker 2:He said Freeway did it. He blamed it on Freeway and then he told my man, ds, like yo, I offer old money, he ain't take it.
Speaker 1:He's just like making all this lying shit. So you and State they all still cool.
Speaker 2:I mean, after that I don't really think we cool, no more. Like we all right, freeway, freeway. He almost my hit list, almost what? Yeah, almost. I talked to him, I talked to him and I got love for him, but like, I just like. I feel like he a low-key hater. This one thing, but person act pious and all that islam stuff right listen listen.
Speaker 2:I think I feel like. I feel like that's like a front you frank, because if you really like that, you know, when I go see my son, I want you to see your son, right? I call you every time I'm there because I'm always there. How you let a nigga say something about taking money from me and you know my son had a one-month-old daughter when he passed away. You know what I'm saying. You should be wanting to give me, mind you, I just got you a show in Maryland when they wanted Dave East and they gave me the money and I came and brought it to you. You know what I'm saying. So you act Muslim and all that I don. I'm sturdy, you not sturdy, period. Niggas tell me oh, free, don't get free. What don't get free? Who the fuck is you To tell me not to get free? Who the fuck is you?
Speaker 1:Why you staying on business for free?
Speaker 2:For anybody.
Speaker 1:This is my squad.
Speaker 3:Like listen If they saying they paying realer than most. They paying realer than most. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying but bro, listen, bro, bro, they Listen. And Charlie, everybody's like what is this about me? Because I'm real, what the fuck is the problem? And they're like I ain't popping, I'm popping on my own, probably more than y'all niggas is. You know what I mean. I was just on Vlad fucking two weeks ago. They called me. They kind of called you to be on there. You can't go on there. You know what I'm saying. I'm about to show y'all niggas how to do it. So, charlie Mack, fresh out the limo, fuck, charlie Mack.
Speaker 2:That nigga's a sucker man, I'm just I'm just I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just I'm just he's a sucker man. Listen thing like damn you do. That's why I was like damn, charlie man. That's. One thing about me is having a young boy.
Speaker 2:First of all, you block me so I can't talk to you this is the second time I'm here in the past this this and this thing got his nephew to call me right, I mean I'm trying to bust my nephew, but he said yo, he wanted off your apology of public apology. So I said, bro, apologize for what? If he ain't doing anything, he's apologizing for it.
Speaker 1:Just tell me to get my money other shit, that mean he not try to give it to you, but that mean he know he stole it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 6:What you apologizing for yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you all right.
Speaker 2:So my thing is this bro, you lost all respect for me. You'll never be able to get it back, Like you mean. So like I see I'm spitting in your face Like get the fuck out. I mean, I don't want to be like that. When I ask God for stuff, I don't ask him for money, I ask him for patience.
Speaker 1:You know how I heard About this story.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Nigga called me like Yo O City Jamming Niggas. I'm like what? And I just heard Charlie Mac. I didn't know Nothing about this Till like three days ago. I've been on a little Instagram Detox Like if I post I'm not looking at other people, and then I got caught a day yo, charlie Mac. State property. I was so happy when, I seen that you and beans did an interview and all that.
Speaker 2:But I'm the mother bro. Y'all first of all stay. Probably once they probably was formed PD and meat leaf wasn't there, so take them to off. But you're like, in the main spurs we not cool, right? But y'all niggas, nice Latin sports, get on one, like you know, if you wait, you and Sparks not cool neither. No, I mean Sparks ain't been cool for like 10 years. I mean we've been that shit, been on what's going on? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6:Yo, I thought the show was cool.
Speaker 5:You and Petey good though.
Speaker 2:We just got.
Speaker 6:Oh, my God Bro, you know what?
Speaker 2:Listen, no, listen, listen, listen, listen, no listen. The night of the show listen.
Speaker 3:Listen, bro listen, the night of the show Listen.
Speaker 2:The night of the show I said, yo, I paid. Pd told me no, you know what I'm saying, so I ain't going to hold up against him, because I know my person said oh, you know, you make people be nervous and they might say anything.
Speaker 3:They don't want to hear you.
Speaker 6:These motherfuckers had Illumin.
Speaker 2:That's what they saying like that's what they saying, like no, no, no, listen, listen, listen. He too real, he on vlad.
Speaker 1:He going to tell niggas, that's what they saying like, but go ahead though.
Speaker 2:So so I was on Neef, Live Me, and Neef and Beans was on Live. I said yo, we need to do a Hot 97 tour with the up. You should have said that. But Freeway I'm thinking Freeway was my man. See, my thing is this Once you're not my man, fuck you. Nigga. Right, I'm not acting like we cool and all that shit. Fuck you, we can do a song on the stage together.
Speaker 2:Now I know why you calling your mixtape what you doing the fact that you sitting there and let anybody say that about you. Know, niggas? I say if that was my only money I'd get that make a living, right? You would say, like nigga, you so, and it make you want to get in your other bag. You know what I mean. Like nigga, but I fight against that Because you can. But the bag. You've been fighting since the 90s. Yeah, I People think it's about the money. It ain't about the money, it's the principle. It ain't about that shit, it's about nigga. How the fuck you going to tell me, bro, state property is me nigga. I'm the only nigga for real. I'm the state property nigga. What you talking about? None of y'all niggas never been upstate before. None of y'all niggas. None of y'all niggas to make a. That's like we just call it the bad strippers, right, but I'm the only one that stripped and was bad I'm the only one in the strip.
Speaker 2:I'm the only one, you're a nurse, you're a secretary you're a fucking ceo. I'm a stripper, so we call it the bad strippers. Won't I be the one to make this official? No, for real, oh, all right. So state properties. You mean, you was up to your state property, kp 50, 99, cz 2234 that's my state number. So my thing is I am state. What the fuck are you talking about? Y'all need to change the name anyway if I ain't in it.
Speaker 1:No Mac, what's up?
Speaker 2:I've been in the federal feds for one year. You can't be state, you gotta have at least two years, okay, minimum. So my thing is this Real shit, get up in the county before get up in county property.
Speaker 1:Tell me what you like. Don't that make sense?
Speaker 2:though, oh.
Speaker 1:God right.
Speaker 2:Shit, mine is real. No, bro, this is real shit, though that should be called county property.
Speaker 3:County property.
Speaker 2:State road property, something like that. You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean State road property.
Speaker 2:So the realest nigga that's in this group y'all gonna see. No, don't put like what's up y'all. That made me look at y'all weird, like I mean, yeah, and I remember I got the in 2011 before I went on state. I got made ball paid twice. If the beans took, the money boy gave me the money. The second time I came met the on del right on this block. It's a buffet, a chinese buffet gave him all the money. They, even though I had it you know what I'm saying. I'm giving. So I'm like how the hell? Something about me. I'm too powerful to be around y'all. That's what it is.
Speaker 1:I ain't supposed to be around y'all yo, speaking of giving money right, turn it, turn it up me, he almost gave our drop up.
Speaker 3:We on the dog.
Speaker 1:I want to do something for oh man, listen, man, we gonna let you. We all know we usually start the show off with songs, yeah, but we gonna do it at the end this time. Man, I wanna play something. Oh, bear with us because you know we play it through a little system, but you gonna hear it. I wanna play this, alright, you hear it.
Speaker 2:Meech.
Speaker 5:I see it I see that beat.
Speaker 2:Meach Other that beat.
Speaker 1:It's off the journey.
Speaker 2:No, ever got paid for music ever in his life Off the hook, shout out OG Neach Black De Niro.
Speaker 1:M3, my man Arlem, shout out, arlem, this the song right here, where this guy at. We just was talking to him about truth, all the ones that we can talk to.
Speaker 2:I don't know, him, but I remember they was playing, but I wanted to be off the hook.
Speaker 6:This old part yet.
Speaker 1:We hook this old part of that. We gonna talk till the old part.
Speaker 6:I'm a good person. I got this shit in my phone bro.
Speaker 4:This is treasure.
Speaker 2:This is almost something done, Old sleeve back sleeve. When he paid me, bro, I just kept counting the money. Tell me one more Right?
Speaker 6:Go find it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all crooks and we do that for green hook. We're brothers for pink, galloping Gucci sweaters for green Off the hook jackets black with our sleeves.
Speaker 6:Woo, I love your hair. I wanna be.
Speaker 1:I wanna be. I don't remember this shit, but I knew them, I'm so in love with this.
Speaker 2:The studio was done up with Chinese people like she from.
Speaker 6:Delhi.
Speaker 1:This Black DeNiro right here. It's fully Eazy-E.
Speaker 6:Damn, it's a long time ago, Damn niggas wasn't even rapping.
Speaker 2:Niggas couldn't even write cursors. Yet. I don't even mean write rap, niggas, wasn't even I mean right, right, I think it's supposed to be.
Speaker 6:I mean, where'd this 26 years ago? Go bro 26 years ago, I heard it first man None of y'all could play this Facts.
Speaker 1:None of the most could play it. No facts.
Speaker 6:Where'd this? 26?
Speaker 1:years ago go.
Speaker 6:None of nobody, no, no other pod could play this song but us At all Super hard to find Shit and my phone. This shit came out when I was getting beat. My dad and mom was making me.
Speaker 3:And I'm playing it who was?
Speaker 6:listening to it again.
Speaker 3:Flashback.
Speaker 2:I remember that 500. I couldn't believe it, bro, bro, I couldn't believe it bro.
Speaker 6:So you got paid 500? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then after that I got some.
Speaker 6:Jamaican boys had these songs on the radio called Do With the Game.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you coming up the realest and most sitting down with us giving us. I appreciate that Houdini PC. I'm about to go home and knock it out you can take that whole box.
Speaker 2:I'm a simple person, bro, I'm a simple person, like. I mean, I'm simple bro, yeah, but you know what it be like I be around somebody for a while. Then we go somewhere and they're like we'll take pictures and all this shit, like that. Oh, I be forgetting. I'm like, bro, I be forgetting too. You know what I mean, that shit, you know what I mean, but because I know that don't mean nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's going to be interesting. The relationship and how you move is everything.
Speaker 1:This might be the most interesting fast track we ever had.
Speaker 4:What's fast track is a game we play on really the most. It's nothing too crazy, you just got to pick one or the other.
Speaker 5:All right, that's easy, so being as though we in Philly.
Speaker 4:I kind of always start with this one, and because it's Oskino Before you go too crazy.
Speaker 3:I want you Because this O like you got to go back to like I got you. All right, alright, go ahead Alright but this still Gotta be the first one. Go ahead, do your thing.
Speaker 4:State property Of major figures?
Speaker 2:State property, yeah he in it, like you, even if I wasn't in it. Oh alright, I still gotta.
Speaker 4:Still gotta.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna relate to the struggle Than the Flashy shit.
Speaker 5:Yeah, cause that's all Figures was on, but that was hot as shit though, yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay. All right, all right.
Speaker 2:Now Coogee Rat or Rakim Coogee Rat, even though people are going to say Rakim better, coogee Rat better than me.
Speaker 1:Coogee Rat a better rapper than Rakim yeah me too.
Speaker 2:Oh no, they both just top tier kuji better than him, though they top tier rock him about this slouch slick rick and krs1 oh, why you make, why you punch the chair like that. I don't know, that's a crazy thing I think we got a better swag, but carol's one got that song love gonna get you better. Yeah, I see carol's one, because that love gonna get you better I don't know if you heard it before.
Speaker 5:I love it like boy that was there every bb remember everybody, you know
Speaker 4:production that was a good one. All right, um, okay, all right, where you going with it? Um, and 96 right nori or mace mace.
Speaker 3:He would have been like we're Norrie was Norrie had a big year in 9-8. 9-8, I was about to say I know what you're talking about. Yeah, for real. For real, I got some crazy shit for it. I got some crazy shit for it.
Speaker 2:The Beast was crazy. But he wasn't saying nothing could really really really like make this problem.
Speaker 1:This is my lane. I'm about to fuck him up.
Speaker 4:Watch this.
Speaker 1:Cam or Fab I gotta go fab, you know why.
Speaker 2:As far as bars. As far as bars, I gotta go. Fab Bars is insane bro. I don't like the way he said this. Let me tell you why I'm not a super duper fab fan, because I don't feel like he mean it, like he got, like it's like saying how I'm DMX, rap, dmx you feel that?
Speaker 2:It's still fab though, because bars you can't just Okay, you can't just throw Fab bars in the trash. Them drones is like Titanium, okay, but he might not say, but when he's talking he be saying Every line, he be saying some shit, bro. And I don't see Cam going. Cam is my man, yeah, but I don't see him Going toe to toe with fab. Kiss her beans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we not playing this.
Speaker 2:Vaxxed class, I mean B's, my, I got to go kiss. Because you know why I got to go kiss. The longevity, the longevity of the features.
Speaker 1:I always say it Every time we argue about Mack. I say the longevity bro, them two or three albums in the mixtape, and he's still doing it now.
Speaker 2:And his features, bro, he got a million features, bro I got to go kiss. No, and it's features, bro. He got a million features, bro, I got to go kiss. But it's close though they both touch they black belts.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay, r&b.
Speaker 2:You go ahead.
Speaker 3:Let's do it Hold on, I got one, I got some.
Speaker 1:That's why I stopped. I knew he was about to do this.
Speaker 3:You know I'm going to ask, because I don't think y'all went all the way. You know what I mean. I think, like Mephiman and Damn who do? I want to say Meph, hot Meph yeah.
Speaker 2:You got to put somebody as witty as him Like Redman. You got to put Redman in a smile like that.
Speaker 1:You might have got gotta put somebody in the team woody like, like meph or I'm just talking about like foxy brown a little kim.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I was gonna go r&b then women, then we go, a lot, we go everywhere, we go everywhere, but damn we're going, if you're going to do meth you gotta say, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say like, wait, wait, wait, are you right?
Speaker 1:like odb or some. Like you got Wait, wait, wait, you're right. Like ODB or some shit, because Mef ain't no regular nigga bro Mef or Mobb Deep man, no who Prodigy or Havoc Prodigy. I'm picking P.
Speaker 3:Mef or P. A lot of niggas ain't better than Prodigy.
Speaker 2:I go.
Speaker 1:Prodigy. Yeah, a lot of niggas ain't better than him.
Speaker 2:Yo, we was arguing, I keep telling him Prodigy a problem bro, I keep telling him
Speaker 3:bro, listen, listen, that's a Philly one, but that's like.
Speaker 4:Alright, I was wrong.
Speaker 5:Prodigy was a fucking problem, I like my beef?
Speaker 2:Who was? We was arguing.
Speaker 3:Muffin, man don't say no crazy.
Speaker 2:Muffin man flow is crazy. He don't really say nothing. Crazy, yeah, he don't. You said Prodigy, listen. Muffin man don't say no crazy. Muffin man flow is crazy. Yeah, he don't really say nothing. Crazy. Yeah, he don't say shit like Prodigy.
Speaker 1:It's his voice. It's his voice. And Muffin man who said Prodigy wasn't better than and I cursed him out for 30 minutes.
Speaker 3:You're not better than a lot of niggas. A lot when jay-z and pun and all them was the problem diplomats yes, diplomats are g unit we're gonna say
Speaker 5:that he is.
Speaker 1:He is Diplomats of G-Unit. I said diplomats. Yeah, I told him, bro, that's easy though.
Speaker 2:You got what.
Speaker 6:I'm saying Fucking twin raider.
Speaker 2:I told you you want to keep it real. Listen, I think listen.
Speaker 1:What's the?
Speaker 2:boy, tony Banks. Louis Banks, no, no, no, the Louis Banks is a problem, tony Ayo you saying they didn't say that he rap better? Than everybody. He rap better than all of them, everybody in that group he rap better than Juelz Santana is the one over.
Speaker 5:And they got.
Speaker 2:Cam though.
Speaker 1:So they got the two, and Jim Jones is one of the hottest rappers now.
Speaker 2:We supposed to be doing a joint together too, say the guy we just heard. Bro Big Pun or Prodigy bro, I gotta go Big Pun, bro bro. Oh no, not me. Big Pun is a problem.
Speaker 3:Not me. It's also 100 pounds. I'm trying to live you know what you gotta do?
Speaker 2:You gotta listen to Big Pun freestyles, yeah that thing's real Off styles, bro, I remember.
Speaker 6:I first saw Big Pun.
Speaker 2:He wasn't that fat. I was correctioning Yo, he was. He says my man fat joe split something that starts rapping. I said oh my god, who the is that like? That thing is crazy. You know you don't rap like him. He's like an older version of kenji lamar bro get the out of here. Yep, for real bro that you guys listen, because he might say people might make it like it's so deep, right, you know how? Better than King Loose to me. What's the nigga name? What's? The nigga's name Bad Boy Loose King.
Speaker 3:Loose.
Speaker 2:King Loose better than King Loose to me we got the same style too.
Speaker 3:You know what you got to listen to it. You got to listen to it.
Speaker 2:People just go by the fame.
Speaker 6:People go by the fame. I listen to Lowe's. I know Lowe's it's the Lekker songs.
Speaker 1:It's the Lekker albums, it's the Lekker projects. Lowe's got to give me a project or two, you're right. You're right. You're not about to tell me the nigga who made Good Kid.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not, it can't be. Nah, feel me yeah. To me, music is subjective, just strictly right.
Speaker 1:Oh, we tripping.
Speaker 2:Rockafella Music is subjective. I mean Murder.
Speaker 1:Inc or Rough Riders.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're Rough Riders, rough Riders. Yeah, I'm tripping, even if I wasn't.
Speaker 1:They got too much singing, while Rocky followed along For a little bit.
Speaker 2:They was Yo Ja Rule at the time. Ja Rule might have been the same as Hoveth at one time.
Speaker 6:I'm trying to tell you I didn't like the meet Ja Rule, not Murder Inc.
Speaker 3:Ashanti Bro, what are you talking about? It wasn't my style, though One of the best R.
Speaker 2:What are you talking?
Speaker 3:about Beyonce better than no man. Beyonce over Beyonce. I didn't even say Beyonce.
Speaker 1:Beyonce got Beyonce, rihanna got Beyonce to me.
Speaker 2:Rihanna, the boss yeah she the best. Rihanna the boss.
Speaker 1:But one gotta go we gonna do one gotta go.
Speaker 3:We should have did that. Well, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one gotta go All right, boom, we gonna start it. Because started, because, no, we ain't got to take p out for everyone this is much better than you know I got everyone so how the prince?
Speaker 2:huh, so how the prince, I got him over kendrick to me and they they own type of styles side of princess. All right, yeah, that's, that's right, I don't know him. I probably don't know you what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:you tripping? You know, who they say there's a problem too, that people don't know my son.
Speaker 2:He said like nobody was better. You know who they say was a problem too that people don't know my son.
Speaker 1:He said like nobody was better than him at a point, my son, Big ass nose, he was hot back then he was in New York. I peep, he was there. Look, we ain't got to take P out. That's how old school he is. We ain't got to take P out. But first we're going to do the Philly one, the era. We ain't got to say whatever. Nh, meek Reed, joey Jahad.
Speaker 4:One got to go, one got to go. I can't do it. No, you got to go. You got to go.
Speaker 3:You got to do it. Everybody skip. You got one of them gotta go.
Speaker 1:We about to make history.
Speaker 2:Osa.
Speaker 3:I can't do it. He'll never say no shit like that. Read, read, read, joe Jahan, it'll be Reed. Everybody say it, I say it too. I say Reed too.
Speaker 2:I say Reed not because I really believe problem.
Speaker 1:I was talking about he probably rapped better than all of them, but he not like. It's the that era. That's why I say the era. Yeah, NH can definitely go. Yeah, NH cannot go, Me cannot go Me cannot go. And.
Speaker 5:Joey Jahan was the main title of all of them.
Speaker 1:They killed us in the comments.
Speaker 5:We asked another rapper that day.
Speaker 1:They said how the fuck he got it going. He the best, he started all this shit.
Speaker 5:Listen, listen.
Speaker 2:Reed was out before he was on Too Raw. None of them was on Too Raw.
Speaker 3:He started everybody on this shit.
Speaker 2:My man, my man, my man, my man, he made everybody get on dog food, bro, bro.
Speaker 3:I know I agree with that, but you get on dog food, bro.
Speaker 2:Bro, I know, but you know what happened to have more read this. What happened, I think? I think from look outside, looking at, I think he got popping too fast.
Speaker 3:The white boy, the white boy.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:He said ain't nothing, shout out my man I think that made him feel like, like he said, ain't nothing worse than an early win?
Speaker 4:yeah, that's what he's saying. Nothing worse than an early win.
Speaker 2:That's what he said when you really write raps and you really rap. Even if you win or you lose, you'll always rap. You'll be putting shit out. You'll always do it. I was getting money. I didn't have to do it at all, but I did it because that's what I do. If you don't, it should be spinning around in your head.
Speaker 3:It's never over.
Speaker 4:Reed gotta go, read gotta go. Yeah, read gotta go MH.
Speaker 1:Meek Read Hattie RA Beck Gotta do another one man. Nah, he's so old school. We ain't gotta take P out, cause we said we was gonna take P out, but we don't Right this, everything, bro. So if you pick him, everything they ever did is washed. Alright, gotta go. Master P P, that's P, it's all business. All these CEOs, yeah, no, no, no everything, but all the shit they go through in life aside, like we talking about just them. Entertainment Master P P, diddy right, birdman and Dr Dre.
Speaker 1:Master P gotta go alright, yeah, he like he Birdman can't go cause I know Drake and Nicky and you know Master P Gotta go. Alright, yeah, he like he Birdman can't go because I know.
Speaker 2:Drake and Nicki, and You're on point.
Speaker 5:Yeah, man.
Speaker 2:Dr Drake can't go. You got Snoop Uncle Snoop Aftermath 50, eminem. Yeah, he definitely can't go. You know what I mean. So like yeah, there's nowhere.
Speaker 1:And then Diddy definitely can't go.
Speaker 2:He's a locks Biggie Smart, my favorite rapper.
Speaker 1:So who would you pick if I substituted Master P with Jermaine Dupri?
Speaker 2:Jermaine Dupri, I'd go. Jermaine Dupri, I'd go, bro. Oh no, bow Wow Brat, they all got to go, they got to go. No disrespect to them. Mariah Carey, they got to go, they all gotta go, they all gotta go. Mariah Carey gave.
Speaker 1:Jay-Z, his first number one Motherfuckers been forgiven they all gotta go, mariah.
Speaker 4:Carey gave Jay-Z his first number one.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, bro. She got to go, he went and got her. He went and got Annie, if he didn't get that, but they still gotta go.
Speaker 4:He went and got Annie.
Speaker 3:That's what I bro bro. You gotta go, you gotta go, all right all right, all right boom, all right look.
Speaker 2:He got, Jermaine Dupri got, he got a go. No, he do got a go though.
Speaker 1:He got a go he do.
Speaker 2:That's my man, that's my man.
Speaker 1:All right now, I like you ready you ready All right Eve, you ready, you ready All right Eve. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Eve. We going there, we're going there.
Speaker 1:Miss.
Speaker 3:Jade Uh-huh, we going there, we going there.
Speaker 2:Bianca, and they definitely ain't Miss Jade, definitely Nina Ross. Ooh, miss Jade and Nina Ross are the two best girl rappers I've ever heard in my life. So they can't, both can't go at all, alright so that means we already know that.
Speaker 1:So between.
Speaker 2:Eve and Bianca, right Eve and.
Speaker 1:Bianca.
Speaker 3:Mmm.
Speaker 2:Bianca was nice. Bianca was super nice, yes. Shout out Lil T too. Eve is iconic, though Lil T was nice too Gotta be. Don't give a fuck about the songs and all that shit. I'm talking about songs and all that shit. I ain't trying to tell you none of that shit. Miss J and Nina Ross is better. I like Nina Ross number one for real, but they both. It's a song. It's a song.
Speaker 2:They both the same, they both perfect Both of them. But in the first lyrics and come to rap and just rap it. So you get in Bianca out here and I hate to say that, but because she won against Eve, because Regina and they are immunity, they can't, they can't.
Speaker 1:Fuck it, we going there. Foxy brown little Kim Nicki Minaj Want me help you go ahead. One foxy brown little Kim Nicki Minaj who? No, that's too new. Nah, foxy Brown Lil' Kim Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 3:I'ma get freaky, I'ma oh shit.
Speaker 1:I didn't say her Damn. Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, Lauryn Hill.
Speaker 2:Lil' Kim.
Speaker 4:Lauryn Hill.
Speaker 2:Nicki Minaj gotta go.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to wear Foxy Brown.
Speaker 2:I'm going to wear little Kim. I'm not going to wear Foxy Brown, I'm going to wear got immunity. So between, because you must be, because you was trying to young, no, I was the fur.
Speaker 1:The fur ain't no, niggas no, but I don't know Because you must be, because you was trying to young?
Speaker 2:no, listen, I'm saying no, nigga. Was that what? Jay-z came out, that was a great song. With the Versace t-shirt on, yeah, I mean y'all probably was like two or three, oh, they like that song. That song, that song was the shit in the streets.
Speaker 2:That shit was like yo, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen listen, listen, listen, listen listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen listen listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen listen listen listen, listen I don't
Speaker 1:know who does that. I don't know who does that. I ain't write that you don't know, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:Shut your mouth. Shut your mouth. Listen Lauryn Hill. The score is the biggest rap selling was the biggest rap ever. I mean so like, but Lauryn Hill is iconic. She like, she passed music.
Speaker 3:We love Lauryn Hill. Shout out to Lauryn.
Speaker 2:Yeah it than everybody that shit she did on that. Uh man, who you picking man? I was already Nicki Minaj. Gotta go Get Nicki Minaj. She gotta get her shit she gotta go. Bro, Bro.
Speaker 6:Yes, I'm old school. Foxy gotta go, bro, not for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's who you pick. I ain't a doll why you answer what you want. The name of no Foxy albums known. Bro, she got known albums I'm trying to see if we knew Listen but I think this is what I think I understand when I'm young.
Speaker 1:Listen when I'm young. Listen when I'm young.
Speaker 2:I don't name my album when I'm young, I ain't listen to girl rappers. I'm not going to listen to no fucking Right, right, right Lil' Kim. I like Lil' Kim because I liked her and it wasn't that much. I liked her, liked her, everybody liked her. Run to Lil' Kim. I mean we ain't going to fuck about what she was saying.
Speaker 6:She want to suck some dick all the time.
Speaker 2:She want to suck some dick and all she like that Nicki Minaj and Lauryn Hill. Yeah, Foxy got to go.
Speaker 5:The teenagers.
Speaker 2:You like that, bro? Listen Foxy, foxy, foxy he hold on to it, you know what. Who was really eating the box, though I don't know, but I know she was fucking smoking shit. No, she was smoking shit, bro, for real.
Speaker 1:Bro. She was in the fire, bro. They said who was writing for her, and all that though.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but girls with girls, I don't know who was. Yeah, you know what I mean Girls.
Speaker 1:I've never heard in my life, but they said she wasn't writing her shit. Kim too, though, lil'.
Speaker 3:Kim wasn't writing her shit either. That's why Nicki, over all of them?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 4:Safaree said he was up and writing her shit too.
Speaker 3:I don't know they said the Fugees was writing Lauren's shit.
Speaker 2:Listen listen, listen, everything coming out, that's what I'm saying. That don't count. She delivered the best.
Speaker 3:She was somewhere being dirty.
Speaker 2:She wasn't even born, yet Foxy Brown was holding it down for the bitches Heavy With the firm Bro, with Nas and AZ.
Speaker 1:Nicki was born, yet when they was ripping her off.
Speaker 2:But listen if you say now you should put Nicki with Cardi B.
Speaker 3:I'm going to keep it real. Foxy was the rapper.
Speaker 1:You think Nicki belonged with? No slouch. No, but Nikki, Bro. Nikki, Moment for life. And all that was 08, 010, 011.
Speaker 2:Like Nikki is my bitch, my mom's got two desks Listen there's no girls to go against her, but Cardi B, that's what I'm saying, no matter what she came out. No, cardi, she way better what you talking about right now? What you talking about? No, ken, nobody. I'm sorry, subjective, I mean, I don't know by better dinner.
Speaker 3:She was going against nobody, so you gotta wait to fuck Cardi B.
Speaker 2:The only person came along that was like the same thing, make her number one, though. For Erica's was no, Mike, oh no, but she had the shit though, but she looked good too. Looks mean a lot for girl.
Speaker 1:She's better than them the way, I'm hearing it no, and we had, we got oscino the way I'm hearing it now. Nikki minaj is the only person that I didn't hear rumors about her not writing her raps.
Speaker 2:I mean we heard it, I heard it no, no, no, no no safari made songs.
Speaker 1:It's a difference. I'm talking about verse Pin on page they saying that she right, nicki, don't get into that, bro Cardi B admitted it.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying, my thing is this I fucking with Minaj. But that song, that one verse, what's that verse? I fucking like. What's that song. I like that she did Remember that verse that she did.
Speaker 3:I kept talking about Monsters, Monsters. That's the craziest, that's right there. Right there was. I was like she got it.
Speaker 2:I like the way Foxy Brown used to say her shit. The way she used to be saying it, it was unorthodox for a girl to be rapping like that. Then she was going against Lil' Kim. They was like did they have that shit? That shit was great, bro. I don't even listen to girls rap shit. So, lola, this whole area is different.
Speaker 3:You know the girl I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Shout out to her, though. Girls took over right now they definitely got the game on smash.
Speaker 1:Yo, you want me to another thing Before we get out of here. When you was all over Flamers too, bro, you was like my favorite rapper For like two years. I just had to add that you was on them features. Like you was trying to like Pro, trying to make this shit 99 again, bro. I'm trying to tell you, bro, that shit was bad bro, that's what messed me up when I came out of prison.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking, because me and me got 20 songs together, right, I'm thinking, bro, you're going to put me. I mean, you got songs that was on the radio all day, every day, probably mean. But but at the time flamers 2 came out, that was the hottest cd I heard in like far as people playing it. You know since, like probably that's the old part two and beanstone beans, uh, mixtape going, but that's the thing, probably the three top joints as far as see. People don't probably remember my second journal because it was so long ago. That was crazy. It made me put out all the rest of them. That shit made me so much money. But flamers 2 when I seen flamers 2, that's the first time I felt like damn shit everywhere. I'm on every fucking car, bro, that's like even had a record deal already. You know what I'm saying. So, like that. So like a lot of times people say, like you know, I put help me, that shit helped me too. That should help me, because I'm not gonna, because I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:When I was saying a d night, that's when I knew your name was oskino yeah, because that's what I said.
Speaker 3:This helped me out it was a mixture, it was a little confusion you had to figure it out, do you think?
Speaker 1:it made me know younger people too that would probably wouldn't know you think that it was a album or a mixtape in the city, yet since flamer's too big, is that?
Speaker 2:no, not to me because he had one song that I play every day, living at the speed of life.
Speaker 1:I'm so fly living at the speed alive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the bro. I had a push truck. I should be doing 90 in that every time you know that's bob on that hook, marty gold I ain't gonna lie, that was one of them, but I know I never knew that was something like this like you didn't know that to them yeah that's the other thing.
Speaker 3:You ain't know that to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's BOB, no no, no, everybody don't know that he wasn't marked.
Speaker 3:Oh, I was about to say I didn't know that I knew that, yes, it is, it's not, no, it's not. And if it do.
Speaker 2:It's outdated, that shit. Did not say BOB bro.
Speaker 3:I knew it was.
Speaker 1:BOB? I don't even know. I'm telling you all that shit ain't BOB. That's why.
Speaker 3:Meek was working with TI.
Speaker 2:BOB was signed to TI. We know that I didn't even know who BOB was back then, so I wouldn't even know. Oh, you, oh, listen.
Speaker 4:Flamers 2 came out before BOB shit, don't BOB me, bring your own beer or some shit like that.
Speaker 2:That's BYOB. Oh, what the fuck he had a single out on Jamf. What the fuck is that BOB? And the fuck is that bro Yo listen, man Yo listen.
Speaker 1:No, it said, that's YouTube nigga.
Speaker 6:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he going to, but yo man, oh ski, no bass class man Last week took the shocker up in the lights.
Speaker 3:That's why I don't like y'all, because y'all be playing. I'm picking, I'm picking.
Speaker 2:Other than.
Speaker 5:Texas when it came out about going to white school, though he was the band.
Speaker 2:That beat was like der der der der der. No, I know, I know. Listen, as soon as you hear that beat der der der der der he's like ah, that shit was, that shit was. But tell him, don't play with silk. You know what's the problem when Vanilla Ice was out MC Hammer, MC Hammer.
Speaker 4:MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice was like this. So the shock I was a no limit.
Speaker 2:Feature Y'all lying. Who Suck the sucker? Oh well.
Speaker 1:All right, that's it. We saying it crazy. No, suck the sucker. No disrespect to you, brother, I'm just saying. I'm just saying bro.
Speaker 4:Oh this shit going to get out? I'm fucking around. Definitely sick. Shout out to all the you was horrible bro.
Speaker 3:Shout out to all the names we mentioned.
Speaker 2:It was Listen, reed, you're my man. Who you say Reed Dollaz? Oh, reed, reed, he family of the show.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, that's what I'm saying. He family of the show. He already know what it is, but no, you don't know because I don't Coming from Philly, I mean. I take that shit personally.
Speaker 2:We take Philly personally too, Not heavy and natured me, though me though you gotta get the fuck out of here. They're my fucking real love of brothers in real life like that man.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean, yo man.
Speaker 4:Philly's serious man we appreciate you man. We appreciate you, old man.
Speaker 1:Pure fuel, shout out, pure Fuel, man.
Speaker 2:Shout out those sponsors, shout out Pure Fuel man and shout out the Plant Face. I want to shout out one person. I want to shout out Go ahead, because I know Miss Rocky too.
Speaker 1:We love Rocky man. I was about to name her, but she ain't go.
Speaker 3:Y'all know, y'all ain't go.
Speaker 2:Yo listen, she ain't go new school with him at all.
Speaker 3:She a problem yo, she a problem, y'all ain't go new school with him at all.
Speaker 5:For some of the young guys or the females, Rocky a problem man.
Speaker 4:For the young guys, yeah, but we up.
Speaker 3:You talking about, like the, I got to be holding them down. I mean we want Rocky up here ASAP. We want Meatball up here ASAP. All of them is overdue.
Speaker 2:We want all the females in the city just doing some ASAP. We probably can get all because they all be together. Yeah, yeah, I got a picture of all of them because our birthdays are around the same time, so last year our birthday. That would be a crazy show if they slide here. Yeah, so, like you mean, that'll be good look.
Speaker 2:My ceiling dumb, hold it there and then they like they got different personalities, but like rocky, aggressive, and James, quiet, aggressive, and Nina Ross is like this, like the but them in the booth. They did a project, something ever to be over, to be over. I think the whole city would get behind.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I know, you got crazy relationship all with all of them. Yeah, I know you got a crazy relationship with all of them. Yeah, yeah, help us get them up here. Yeah, just call them.
Speaker 1:Just call me Shane, so look what? No, that's what I said.
Speaker 4:I just called them.
Speaker 3:All right, I just want to let y'all know. Man, this is a crazy episode. We got to have a part two. For sure you know what I about the freestyles and all this stuff that we got going on and the artists that we even know. We got going on, you know already two and a half and damn there we out of here, man brother, the most podcast I'm roller I'm out of world cash white boy d2a and we got.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, man make sure y'all tapping the oh man, all the music, tell music. Tell them what you got going on right now.
Speaker 2:CD Buddy come out. State Property 3. You know what I mean? That's what it is, oh shit.
Speaker 6:He said it. He said it, we're out man State Property 3.
Speaker 1:We got it. We got it.
Speaker 3:State Property 3, man, that's the Rally, the.
Speaker 2:Moose podcast.
Speaker 6:That shit going to fuck. I'm having a depression on you, meow. Really the Moose Podcast.
