Realer Than Most Podcast
Here at Realer Than Most Podcast, we believe that hip-hop/rap is more than just music its a cultured lifestyle, and a way of expressing oneself. we are based out of Philadelphia tri-state area that's why we focus on artist who are not only skilled in their craft but also have a unique perspective and voice. our goal is to provide a platform for these rising stars to share their stories and connect with their fans on a deeper level.
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Ooh Behaveee ft. Big Ooh | RTM PODCAST | SZN 2 EP 19
Join us for a compelling exploration into the heart of hip-hop culture with Trenton's very own Big Ooh. Discover how the resilience of local legends like Don Black and Fatal from the Outlaws, coupled with the harsh realities of gang culture, shaped Big Ooh's path in the rap game. We tackle the heavy influence of street life on personal growth and artistry, offering a candid look at how choosing the right role models can steer one toward success. Big Who’s journey underscores the potency of ambition and the significant impact of community heroes on individual aspirations.
Experience the gritty evolution of a hip-hop artist's career, from street battles in Trenton to the strategic hustle of mixtapes. Learn how Big Who transformed the lessons from DJ Clue and DJ K Slay into entrepreneurial drive, pushing the boundaries of his craft beyond the confines of his environment. We shed light on the practical realities of the music industry, emphasizing the necessity of marketing, networking, and a robust business acumen to thrive. Through Big Who’s story, we see the importance of perseverance and strategic thinking in navigating the complex music landscape.
Our dialogue extends to the reverence of hip-hop legends, with lively discussions on artist comparisons and the profound impact of figures like Jadakiss and Meek Mill. We celebrate the community spirit by highlighting the significant roles these icons play in inspiring new generations. This episode promises insights into the essential elements of artistic growth, the power of supportive networks, and the enduring legacy of hip-hop culture. Whether you're a die-hard fan or curious about the genre’s intricacies, prepare to delve into an engaging narrative of personal triumph and cultural influence.
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Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. I want to say they go yeah, like it's certain guys like all that you know, like since, since 2000, 2001, right, you feel me. Facts before dvds, you mean facts. This is gone, tapes like real tapes and all that but you know we big on mental health up here, oh yeah, and we start the pod off by asking everybody how they doing. So we gonna start with Cole today, so we're going to start with Cole today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, how you feeling? Man? I really want to say I feel real cool today, man. It was a nice day, weather was nice, you know what I'm saying Thugger, thugger free. I'm going to say it again.
Speaker 4:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean Thug free Blessings. I don't know, man, it was a good day for me. How you feeling.
Speaker 3:How you feeling, white boy, how you feeling white boy. I feel good bro, we got U. I got U next to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this shit ready to go down.
Speaker 4:I feel good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't going to lie man. I'm on like a journey right now where I'm trying to sharpen all the steel it is to be sharpened. You know what I'm saying? Like everything that, like in my life I feel like has set me back in the long run, or even a couple months down the line, or anything, I feel like I'm just trying to fix it, like diet working out, I mean art, all types of stuff. So that's really how I'm feeling right now. I'm just trying to sharpen all the steel that need to be sharpened. I mean how you feeling.
Speaker 5:oh, I'm with you, a thousand percent man. I'm just we happy to be a man of a day, another dollar man.
Speaker 4:Yeah, fight different round.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, y'all know how we get it, man, let's go away boy All right.
Speaker 3:So you know we got big who in the building. And up here we do our due diligence, like and like we be already knowing who the guests are, because, like we be like we like the real hip hop heads and like the now culture.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So we be doing these joints so that way, like the audience could get like a clear view, and I mean like a nice whole full interview or like just a vibe. I mean so they could and and know why you up here. While we got you up here, how dope we think you are so big? Who where you from?
Speaker 5:I'm from trenton, new jersey man, about 30 minutes from the city cousins right across the bridge, right up the block same shit, just different, you know, yeah, different language, but all the same shit, right?
Speaker 3:right for sure, growing up in trenton dang, that's not an easy place to come out of, for sure, I mean that's just not. And so, growing up in Trenton, just give me a few of your influence growing up and when I say influences, I don't mean like the people you see right on TV and shit like that. I'm talking about like the people that's like even right in your spot or like right outside the spot. Give me a couple of them. A few of them.
Speaker 5:I mean, you know, unfortunately, man, we was influenced by all the wrong shit.
Speaker 3:You understand what.
Speaker 5:I'm saying so, you know, from the porch. We was influenced, of course, by the hustlers, niggas that had the big cars, had the all the pretty women from the front seat. That was a fascination for a nigga, that was a desire for a nigga. You wanted to be that, unfortunately, I say unfortunately, because later on, as we journey through life and we become men and understand that some of the guys we put on pedestals is really pieces of shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Back door niggas that was around them did all types of underhanded things, had no moral compass, no integrity, did anything for the dollar. But us, being kids, we was attracted to the shiny shit, the material shit. You understand what I'm saying? No, question you know what I mean. I'll tell the young niggas now like it's a nigga getting up 5 o'clock in the morning before the sun come up on your block you should be looking up to right now, because that's a nigga.
Speaker 4:That's really really on man shit. They be the real man you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:He'll phone call away if the family needs some. He checking on grandma once a week. You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, he making sure the refrigerator full. That's man. That's the shit you really supposed to be like. Damn, that's real man shit. You know what I mean. But yeah, my influences rap wise coming up in the city was guys like Don Black, my man, Don Black, Shout Out to Black. He was like one of the guys terrorizing the mixtape scene with Doo Wop. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Bounce.
Speaker 5:Squad.
Speaker 1:He signed to MCA.
Speaker 5:He from around my way, Guys like Goldfingers. He was signed to Nori.
Speaker 5:He on the Reunion album. My man, mike Meles, was signed to Soul Life Atlantic. Sunshine Anderson All these guys was some trend. I was seeing them firsthand. All of them was like big bros. So seeing them firsthand walking the same streets as them you know what I mean being around them and then seeing them turn up young was like confirmation for me. Like you know what I'm saying, I could do this shit Like Fatal. You know. God bless the dead Fatal from the Outlaws from around my pop way.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 5:So I will always see the outlaws on the weekend, like when I went to my pop crib. Fatal might spin through with Foxy in the car. You know what I mean. It is what it is Fire. You know what I mean. But just you know them seeds like that, just planted them seeds early on. You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, yeah, okay, that's dope bro. Shout out to Jaheim too. So growing up with the local rappers in Trenton as early influences and then you growing into liking music and doing music and those were your first influences in music as well.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'd say, jaheim was probably one of my first influences. I was probably a nigga, I seen firsthand. You know what I'm saying, really, like you know, seeing a nigga ride through and do a ride through singing and do an armed robbery and ride off singing was like some movie shit you talking about Jaheim, that singer.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5:Yeah, Like it was like some movie shit. So wait, you say, he what? No, that nigga was like. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I heard them stories too. He was on some shit, yeah, I heard that too.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was on some shit, but he always sung His whole family sung, his whole family sing, rather. You know what I mean. So the nigga literally ride up singing like through an armed robbery. Ride off sound, you know what I'm saying. Like that nigga was really into some shit?
Speaker 1:No, real shit.
Speaker 5:No real shit, but I mean. The thing about it was I was a kid being around them niggas right, and I remember that nigga playing his first single on tape, rob.
Speaker 4:Markman.
Speaker 5:Right Lil Jon, him being like yo, I just signed this deal with KG from Naughty. By Nature, this is about to be my first single. I don't know what that means. Then I remember coming home from school one day watching one of those Sister Park new joint of the day, and from areas where we don't see niggas make it very often, we don't see success very often. So if we don't have them, early examples of greatness, that shit keep a nigga pushing to know that I could do this shit.
Speaker 5:I just seen my man make it. I just seen my other man make it, I just seen Fado in. Then I'm riding my Popway. I'm seeing Black in the projects one day. Then I'm seeing them on TV. You understand what I'm saying, you need all that, rob Markman. It's like it's a sense of direction. Yeah, you need all that, Because what it does to the nigga watching, the young niggas watching, it's like I could do that too. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Rob Markman yeah, so that Okay. So watching Jaheim and you got a front row seat to watching him get on and that's inspirational for you to see him get on. What gave you or what age was that where you started to play around with music and spark to do music?
Speaker 5:I started fucking around early. My cousin got shot and came to stay with us from North Carolina and he put me on to like Wu Tang and like Muddy Waters and shit Redman, shit right. And I remember back in the day you used to buy the single CD. It had the dirty version, the clean version, the instrumental on that, motherfucker. I had the little radio. We went radio to radio. You know how that shit started for me. So like you know what I mean mean radio to radio, little freestyle tapes then, ciphers in the park lunchroom and all that.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean right you went through. You kind of like, like when I was growing up, you had to go through the ranks right now just get in the studio, put a song. I'll get some artwork done.
Speaker 3:Drop a video and you had to really earn the respect yeah, because I think that's how like, that's how like they um were like coming up, that's how they like waved it out, so like, if you was asked, they telling you yo, you, you should, you you gotta go home, work on your or just stop rapping right now.
Speaker 5:I mean so that you either stop rapping or you went home and work on your and I'm gonna keep it real, though, when you you jumped in one of the ciphers and they get no reaction, that was them telling you without telling you, yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:You just watch one for the book, that's nasty work right there Go crazy for everybody else.
Speaker 5:And then you start, you let your clip go and the nigga don't say nothing. That's nasty work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man Rap discipline.
Speaker 1:Alright so Trenton, New Jersey, you know, because I'm familiar with New Jersey now because I went to school out Trenton.
Speaker 2:This nigga went to school in Trenton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, last year I tried to do CDL and all that. I went to school in Trenton and they was explaining everything to me like how Trenton is and how it separated East, whatever the projects and all that. So how was it like? Because they said it was like real bad. Like when it come to gangs, they said it was real bad. So how did that influenced you growing up?
Speaker 5:Good question bro For me, right when the gang culture hit my whole neighborhood was on that shit, like we seen Gangland when they did the Gangland shit in China.
Speaker 1:All that shit was like based on my neighborhood.
Speaker 5:You feel what I'm saying. So like I mean it just was what it was at that time. You know what I mean. Unfortunately, you know we've seen a lot of people die, We've seen a lot of niggas go to jail. That should just shook the city like upside down. The city small, seven point five miles. So any times a wave come through and it's a negativity wave is going to hit hard. It's a positive wave, Whatever come through, is going to hit hard because we so small and it's so intimate.
Speaker 1:You understand what I'm saying. Trenton, like South Philly, I think, probably like you could put like just South Philly.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 5:That shit came through, shook the city up, man. Unfortunately, you know what I mean. People still think it's like that to this day, like I'm mad for Philly with just something I waited every day. He's like I ain't on no gang blocking.
Speaker 3:I'm like nah, niggas ain't off that shit, that shit over. You know what I mean? No, because it was on gang, it was just a wave man.
Speaker 5:It was a wave. Yeah, it was a wave. It lasted for some years, done you know what? I'm saying, like the paper did it, the paper did an issue in the paper but they had, like everybody face that died like gang related murders. Dang, that shit was like collage, like you know what I'm saying. Unfortunately, though, we don't glorify that shit.
Speaker 3:No, that's not good. Yeah, that probably shook the city up. That shit was wild. You know what? I'm saying so like coming in, coming into the game and and you know you rapping, coming into the game and you know you're rapping, it's early on for you and give me your mindset on, like, okay, I'm big O, I'm coming into the game, I want to drop my first tape. Give me that.
Speaker 5:Give me coming into that. So I was working with a guy that in the. I was working with a guy that had, like he was doing all the mixtapes in the city as far as, like all the DJs, k Slade, god bless his day. Who, kid Clue? They would all come to him to get their tapes done, okay, so he was like the mixtape distributor at that time.
Speaker 3:So it was they all come into him to distribute. They mixed tapes.
Speaker 5:No, he's pressing them up for them. That's what I'm saying. So like, so, so like a distributor clue will go into the crib, do a tape. Yeah, and then he'll call it and be like yo, I need 3000 of these CDs done Right and my man will press them up. My man, my man.
Speaker 5:Kareem, you know what I mean. So. So he was doing everybody tapes at the time they was rapping. They had a group called First Half so I used to be with them on some young boy shit and they was terrorizing shit and they put a CD out. They put all these songs on the CD and put it out in the streets and I would ride around with them while they sold them and shit. I'm like damn, these niggas just sold.
Speaker 3:What age are you? Excuse me, I'm sorry, what age are you? At this point?
Speaker 5:I'm probably like 16. I'm in the backseat. I'm like these niggas just sold 1,000 CDs for 10 hours apiece and I'm recording at this time but I ain't got no music out. I'm like fuck that, I'm out for the CD out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm like fuck that, that's automatic. It went hard. You did the math.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm like, because now I'm watching him go to him get 300 CDs, I'm jumping in the car with him while they ride through the city. They coming back running through them joints. They come back and get another 300. I'm like oh, fuck that.
Speaker 1:You watching all the infrastructure.
Speaker 5:I ain't going to sit around niggas getting money. I'm about to put these songs. I got too at the crib put all these joints on one CD. Put me in CD out, rob Markman.
Speaker 2:So how you get Big?
Speaker 5:O Big O. My government name is Omar Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 5:So I been O since, like Rob Markman, forever. No, made up shit, rob Markman.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Rob Markman, that's good to know that Nigga wake up and be like yo call me da, da, da, da da.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm saying? All right, rob Markman Jr, that's ill, that's ill, rob Markman. Jr.
Speaker 2:So who was somebody that critiqued you as an artist and let you know, like, yeah, you got it.
Speaker 5:My uncle Out man Shout to Out. My man, DaShare, said something to me too. He said the town ain't big enough to put you on, but the town real enough to let you know if you got it or not. Then it's up to you to take it from there.
Speaker 3:He told you that early on.
Speaker 5:My man Deshaire told me that. My man Deshaire. He said, unfortunately the city ain't big enough to put you on. He said, but we real enough to let you know if you qualified enough to represent us on the worldwide front.
Speaker 3:That was ill.
Speaker 5:Then it's up to you to take the ball and run with it.
Speaker 3:That was ill. That was ill my uncle.
Speaker 5:Al was my ears as far as music. Every song I did I'd send to him.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:And he'd be the one that'd be like, nah, not that one. You gotta switch your flow up, bro. I don't like the hook. Yeah, I don't like that verse. So he was right, he was rocking it.
Speaker 3:You know what I?
Speaker 5:mean. So I tell a lot of the younger artists I work with you need trusted ears, Because everything we do as creators ain't going to be hot bro. You know what I'm saying, but it's so many niggas can't take criticism. Everybody think everything they do hot.
Speaker 2:Too emotional.
Speaker 5:I tell niggas all booth and that shit don't sound right to you, nigga tell me Nah, I don't like that shit. I ain't going to be like nah, you don't like that, bro, because what they don't understand.
Speaker 2:The music is product. Yeah, it is. You know what I'm?
Speaker 5:saying so, I want to pick out the best product, so if it ain't right, say something so.
Speaker 2:I can make the best product.
Speaker 5:Yeah, nah, he was probably my hardest critic. Most needed, though, because every time I went to studio I was going in the studio like envisioning me sending it to him. You know what I'm saying. I know he gonna with this you understand what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying so right, but you need that though yeah, like like sharp, making you sharp in your still yeah, like custom model, like we call them out, custom models, like custom model with Tyson type.
Speaker 3:I like that, you know what I mean. So like what you, what? Okay, so what you seeing them write, distribute mixtapes? Get them, uh, uh, get them drawn up, put them in the back of the car, wham, sell them. You say, fuck that I'm dropping too. All right, you get the artwork, you put your, you put these songs together. You holler at your man, you get 200, 300. You say go After that. Like how, how was Trenton receptive to you at that time? Like that, your first tape.
Speaker 5:Okay, so the part we left out is before the tape came out. I was I was heavy on the battle scene.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:So I was battling, I was earning my stripes, battling everybody I was. I mean, I was killing niggas, okay, and I was killing niggas Okay, and I was like you know what I mean no cap, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Washing niggas? Yeah, nah, I was killing niggas, I mean hanging around series.
Speaker 5:Like at that time that's what it was. You had to earn your respect in that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It wasn't like a SoundCloud, it wasn't no YouTube, it was like, like you know what I mean and there were times niggas from around my way done, put up thousands. We used to hear about you when I was a kid. Like you, know what I'm saying yeah. No cap. You feel what I'm saying. So that kind of like broke ground for me. Everybody knew I rapped anyway. Before I put my first project out I got a CD for some people I already knew.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Like the word already traveled. Your first CD was the Groove for Big U right.
Speaker 5:Child. Come on, you did a little research. Come on man. God damn you don't got to do research.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I don't care, I don't care, gang.
Speaker 4:I don't care 01, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the cd you talking about yeah, that was the first joint.
Speaker 5:I was a kid, right, and I was just my man, um that I was telling you about to own the mixtape store and did a distribution. He came and grabbed me one day and was like yo, get all your, we was, uh, we all, we was all me and my was all standing in this crib. Right came and grabbed me one day get, I had like two trash bags, like come on, put me up and was like yo, I got you Damn Back to play. I was probably like 16, about to turn 17.
Speaker 3:That's ill right there.
Speaker 5:So then I just started, I was recording every day. We had like a studio in the spot. I was recording every day with him and my man, DJ Plex. I put that tape out and then from there it was like it was just a domino effect. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you love that shit, it don't feel like work.
Speaker 1:Like you see how you say 01?
Speaker 5:Right, it's 2024.
Speaker 3:I know and we still on the run.
Speaker 5:Nigga, I came up just to do this interview and to do the cypher and to do another interview because I just know it's going to be one person that's going to see this shit. That don't know who Big U is. You understand how I'm not getting ever since.
Speaker 1:I gotta get that in me. Like I'll be. I'll be like focused on like me putting out art and not getting like the masses. It's the gratification yeah, but I gotta understand that it's a process. This is over the time. Yeah, and that goes back to.
Speaker 5:The conversation was happening before we started, and that's why, to make everything come full circle, the appreciation is there.
Speaker 2:You just don't know it yet you're not going to tell you until it's not going to come that high. Bro, yeah, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:It was gonna come that easy. Everybody, everybody would do it, everybody doing it, but everybody, they're not staying at it because it's not coming like this. I mean, you talked about my first cd, 2001, this 2000, 2025, nigga, I'm still dropping. You understand what I'm saying? I'm still dropping, bro, 20 years later. You understand what I'm saying and it's just now starting to turn over Right. You understand what I'm saying, bro. So nigga, we ain't telling you this some shit we heard I'm telling you this, I'm living this shit.
Speaker 2:So you done, grinded through every era OG.
Speaker 5:Gee, we talking about. We're talking about, oh my god, in front of the cameras. Yeah, no, what I just spoke on was 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:10 years ago uh, that, oh molly session. I'll see any man, oh okay so look.
Speaker 3:So, because it was crazy that you had got the whole format from watching. Um serious, and I'm running around with their tapes. You get the format, you run around with your tapes, and then he, oh he instantly put you up and then you drop a massive tape that really grabbed the people, yeah, so so now you know it's crazy.
Speaker 5:I didn't even have the people yet, because the first tape was like, so everybody knew me for battling.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:The question was can he make?
Speaker 3:a record.
Speaker 5:You understand everybody. You know the mixtape game was so heavy. You remember we used to have the freestyles.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I was a nigga like, I would do the freestyles, I would do the battling, I would do the cyphers.
Speaker 3:OK.
Speaker 5:And now it was like I can't make no songs. You understand what I'm saying, so now rest in peace. Tony, that did like Poor Wretches' Teachers. He did like a lot of that. He created like a sound for the artists in Trenton in the early 90s.
Speaker 1:Real records.
Speaker 5:So my uncle was signed in the 90s in a group called Boulevard Massey, so he had ties to him as a producer, so he linked me with Tony D. Tony D gave me my first original record and it was called Golden Child. It's on that same project, but I'm just saying that to say then I started. Everything was a process, though you know what I'm saying like we put out one tape, came back out, put out another tape, put out another tape, and then, like I say around, like oh six, I went to atlanta, got a situation. I was down there for like three years and that was probably like atlanta was probably my first time really experiencing the industry hands-on.
Speaker 5:okay, you know what I'm saying yeah like I was just around the way dropping mixtapes up until that point. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I was just around the way dropping mixtapes up until that point. Okay, you know what I mean, yeah. So when you say you, you was done, yeah, when you see the industry hands-on, what do, what do? What does that mean?
Speaker 5:so that means from going around right, just being in my local area rapping and know I rap putting out tapes, going to staples, getting covers and getting cds pressed up. Now I'm in the a, I'm in the studio with Akon. I'm in the studio with Justice League. I'm in the studio with Dallas Austin. I'm gonna, like you know, I'm saying like like I used to read about yeah in the magazines and read their names on the credits on albums.
Speaker 5:And now I'm like this with them in the still Don Cannon and DJ Drama, and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I want to actually shine real quick. I'm heavy, like you know I was young, but people don't like my man five said this earlier like he'll need and be understanding how, like I'd be knowing these errors are certain stuff you know I'm saying and that's cuz you just gotta be a student. Yeah, and it was one person that you know that was in the mixtape scene a little bit. When it come to the child state and rapping and DJing, and I know he like beneficial to your career, I want you to take us through your relationship with AP, ap, dj, ap, all Purpose.
Speaker 5:Damn how you know. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the mixtape scene. That's how I know about him, but with you we had to say it off camera, but, being as though I know, I figured out other things.
Speaker 5:Yo, you know what's crazy right? Shout out to my nigga AP Snap.
Speaker 2:Real red AP was DJing like as a kid, small kid, this ain't no internet search.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this ain't no internet search neither this some off camera, but I felt out AP was in it. I love this boy man.
Speaker 5:AP really was the first studio I recorded in See. Ever no cap, damn he had the studio.
Speaker 1:That's right, my boy. That's right my boy.
Speaker 5:He had the studio in the basement, right Damn. Yeah, nigga had two Rottweilers in the big ass cage, damn. He had the motherfucking popper stopper was like a stocking.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and this shit right here was like a wire hanger.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 5:And that shit was attached to like the poles in the basement. We were sitting on crates down that motherfucker. God bless his grandmother. His grandmother used to make sure we had all whatever equipment we needed at the time, and there was a group of us.
Speaker 1:OK, so let me take you down. I was about to say I heard it was you and like Up Power and that.
Speaker 5:OK, ok, that project came up, and that's actually how I met the mixtape how oh. That's the intricate piece that I left out. That's how I met the mixtape distributor nigga, through AP. But AP was DJing first as a kid, then he was rhyming.
Speaker 4:And he was also producing first.
Speaker 5:He was a rapper. Yeah, he was rapping, but he was dj and he was producing, so he was making the beats. I sit down there with him all night make the beats and they yo how to count bars. All that like we really was, like we really was like brothers, that one time like no cap, like I was staying with him and everything and how I heard it, that's kind of like where you learned to, like how you learned counting bars and like I was just broad talent by how you learned counting bars and your flow and your cadence.
Speaker 1:I was just broad talent you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Structure Like structure, I heard an AP from a rapper.
Speaker 1:Nobody in his room know, but he did something with him. I'm one of them. Dudes, bro, I be listening to music.
Speaker 5:Nobody knows yeah facts, and I just remember AP. Now you fucked me up with that one.
Speaker 4:That's my thing remember, yeah, so all right so the ap shout out the ap.
Speaker 1:All pretty good um, so all right. So boom, I ain't lamborghini, I turtle, like, I ain't speed. I went back so you said you was hands-on, you in a studio with all these artists as you. You know you hands hands on with the industry and everything, so all right. So we notice a lot of artists be getting to that point. You know, and everybody expect like a hit song or blow up from that artist, like, and all the time it don't happen. You know what I'm saying. So you could tell stories all day about meeting this person and doing that and that, but I want you to tell the audience, like when you was hands-on with the industry and stuff, what was the things you thought was going to happen from you being in that predicament and it didn't happen.
Speaker 5:That's a good question and, to be honest with you right being so naive, sometimes outside, looking in, we think the game is this way, yeah, and we think what we see is what it is and we think all these niggas is really the real niggas that they be rapping about. And when we meet these niggas, we going to rap and everything. And to be totally honest and I'm telling niggas this on camera, this is probably my first time ever saying this ever If you do music and you love music, that's a beautiful thing, it's a gift. But if you don't have no money, this is not the game for you. This shit is the music business. Everybody wants to get paid. Bro, I don't give a fuck how hot you is, none of that. I tell niggas all the time the business going to get you in the room, your talent and your personality going to keep you in the room. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Real shit, bro. I'm telling you my nigga. I had to learn that because I was coming from the space of. I'm hot. I know if I bump into such and such and let a clip go, he going to fuck with me.
Speaker 1:Nah, he's a center player. You understand what I'm saying. It don't work like that. People just drop. No, don't go like that. Yeah, you have you have. Yeah, all that, just drop it's not good shots, bro.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm doing now. Right, I got like a marketing firm. I'm doing now we help an artist to set up rollouts Because the rollout is so important. A lot of people just don't have the contacts.
Speaker 2:That's one of the most important parts, ray.
Speaker 5:Rizzi at Shade 45. Bars on I-95.
Speaker 2:On the.
Speaker 5:Radar Power 105. Podcast like this and we say listen yo, this budget right here gets you Because I'm down south, that's how the game is going Yep, motherfuckers, hip-hop since 1987 and all this shit in my head.
Speaker 5:bro, you got to have a budget. Bro, you got to think right. Just look at it like this If I record the tape at the crib right now, right, I got to pay to get it mixed. I got to pay to get it mastered. I got to get it radio edited. I got to get the artwork. I got to shoot the video. You're going to do all that and just drop it on YouTube.
Speaker 5:That's like two bands right there, bro, you're going to just drop it on YouTube and hope a nigga stumble on it and that could be one song. You got to go on your run. I got to come to shit like this and be like yo.
Speaker 1:check my new project out Da da, da da da, is there such and such Ah ah, ah.
Speaker 5:And then I got to yeah, yo, why do you think you see niggas on the promo run? They got the same clothes on the whole interview because they running around promoting the product.
Speaker 4:Uh huh.
Speaker 5:We just be thinking we going to drop it and it's just going like it don't work like that you got to put some fucking money behind this shit.
Speaker 1:And I ain't going to lie.
Speaker 5:McDonald's is spending millions of dollars on marketing. Who the fuck is you to think you ain't got?
Speaker 1:to bro, we be being too picky too. All right, boom, we got something like that right when you got budget crazy. But then my Gen Z has got Instagram and Twitter and TikTok where I could rap on camera and get popping without paying nothing but me. I'm so much of a picky dude I be like I don't want to get looked at like that Like what?
Speaker 5:Like an Instagram rapper what you mean as far as like rappin' on Instagram. Yeah, you know what's crazy with Instagram? Instagram makes so many people rich. How many followers you got on the gram Like?
Speaker 1:2600.
Speaker 5:Alright. So say you got 2600,. Right, say it's 1045. Let me tell you how deep this shit is. Instagram makes so many people rich, right? Instagram said oh no, you niggas got to pay from now on. You'll drop a post right now and only 12 people will see your shit Out of your 2,600 people that's following you and you'll be like damn well, I only got 12 likes. You'll go to the insights and it'll show you how many people seen your posts out of your friends.
Speaker 4:they want to get paid, nigga but, once you pay for the market inside, watch how many people see all this shit.
Speaker 5:We know that goes back to what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they want to get paid everybody that's why I'll be telling you you'll be like we gonna do, put I'll be filling you like so.
Speaker 3:So I already know so what you coming up and you know, getting your craft, working on your craft and now you like known as one of the hottest niggas in Trenton, coming out of Jersey too. Not just Trenton, you, one of the hottest niggas coming out of Jersey, the state. I appreciate that you know what I'm saying. And then I mean we start getting what you familiar over here. What was the first time you start coming over the bridge and who was the first Philly artist to embrace you and put their arm around you?
Speaker 5:That's a good question. I'm going to keep it all the way tall. When I came back from the A and my situation went belly up. I came back from the A and this was a time where I was working with Shakira Stewart God bless her dad from.
Speaker 3:Def.
Speaker 5:Jam.
Speaker 3:Right who I tell you about the other day.
Speaker 4:Yeah, who I tell you about the other day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, spend two minutes on Shakir.
Speaker 5:God bless him. So Shakir is the guy behind Jeezy, behind Ross, behind a lot of plays in the A for Def Jam. He was signing all these guys and Shakir no bullshit. I hate saying this, you know, because it's off the record, but God bless him. He was really trying to give me a situation, though. You know what I'm saying. He heard my music at Stankonia Studios. We was getting a record mix. He pulled my managers at the side at the time they was pushing another artist. He was like yo, your man cool, but this the nigga, we could go get him a deal tomorrow. You know what I'm saying, so God bless him. All that shit was confirmation for me early on because, like I said, these was guys I was reading about. So I always equate everything to basketball. It's like hanging up an AI poster and then you look to your left and AI in the same room was telling you he the fuck with your game.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Shock of one of them, niggas. I looked to.
Speaker 5:You know, like getting that love from a nigga you fuck with. What was your question? Again, my bad.
Speaker 3:On when you oh about coming to the city.
Speaker 4:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 5:So I come back from the A right Situation. I went belly up. We was just in the projects, now we down in the A 18 floors up center city. Yeah, you know what I mean? Living Now. I got to pack up, take it back home, so I come back, I'm in the crib and I'm like damn Cosmic. Kev don't know who I am. And this was a time where the A&Rs would call the.
Speaker 5:DJs and be like yo, you know this guy such and such and such, and if they don't know you, it's like you got some work to do, how the biggest DJ in your area don't know who you is. You know what I mean. And, coming from Trenton, even though we Jersey, our market is Philadelphia.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Because we're Central Jersey. But when we go to the labels, our market is Philadelphia, newark market is New York. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. So they equate us with Philadelphia. So it's like if I'm calling Cosmic Cab and he say he don't know who you is, nigga, you got some work to do. So long story short, I came home, I'm in the crib. I'm like, damn, how the fuck can I tap in with Philly to kind of, you know what I'm saying, get my buzz going. So while I put my play together, tone Trump reached out to me.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:So Tone Trump going crazy. Shout to Trump. He going crazy on Worldstar. He come up my way, shoot a video.
Speaker 3:Worldstar.
Speaker 5:Tony, yeah, worldstar, tony Shoot a video. So that was the first joint. I had a record called New Sneakers so I said yo, you know what, I'm going to remix it. I'm going to put Gilly on it. I remixed it, put Gilly on it, cut him a check. So let's get that established, cut him a check right. He plugged me right with Cav so I tell niggas all the time right. I did the business right and the business created the relationship to where Gilly's last album. I'm on that joint, me and Gilly like this. I got like Gil family.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying, the point I'm making, is.
Speaker 5:I don't know this nigga from a can of paint.
Speaker 1:The fuck am I to come in and lean in on him for a favor? The king of Phillies on, you want it on. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:That's my man.
Speaker 1:But what I'm?
Speaker 5:saying it came full circle After a while Our relationship got created off of doing business. Seen Meek in the still Next day I did a record with Meek and I cashed. Meek out, too Meek. Still owe me a verse too. That's my nigga.
Speaker 3:Because you get thrown right in the mix of that Batcave. Ever that Batcave Right.
Speaker 5:So I'm talking about old Batcave. I come in, I Meek, and O, I pull him to the side. I said, meek, I want to holler at you bro. No bullshit, right. I probably shouldn't even say this though. No bullshit, right. I'm just talking to cuz. Last week, I think, I gave Meek $500, oj, feel what I'm saying, that $500. I gave Gil $1,000. I gave Meek $500. And guess what? Everybody in the city after that fell in line $1,500, the best investment I could have made. You know why?
Speaker 2:I came into the market with the top dogs in the market, so everybody in Philly said well, if Gillian Meek won't stand next to this nigga, he got to be something. He giving game out right, you know what I'm saying. Pay attention.
Speaker 5:Everybody in Philly. Look it up, anybody you can think of. In Philly I probably did a record with Never spent a dollar again, because I came in with two of the strongest niggas Back to back then, and then the icing on the cake was Cosmic Cav. I probably did a come up show more times than niggas in Philly, no cap, and took all my niggas up there and let them rock out Jay-Z style. You understand what I'm saying, but the point I'm making is Philly embracement fit the way I've been embraced in Philly. Right, niggas out my way, hate that state. They hate that shit. Oh, they hate that shit. Oh, you fucking Philly niggas, oh, they hate that shit.
Speaker 1:They struggle because that's what they want. A nigga never, seen that before.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Never seen that before. You know because guess what I tell niggas all the time. You know how many nights I argue in the studio with North Philly and South Philly niggas about Jersey? Nigga, I ain't from Jersey, nigga, I'm from Trenton. Nigga, Real shit, it's a difference, nigga.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a difference. You know what I'm saying, But's just how niggas over here?
Speaker 1:I was really in Trenton, bro, but see, because you been and seen it. A lot of niggas have never been and seen it, that shit is tight, it is tight.
Speaker 3:And South Philly is tight. It's tight down there. What's?
Speaker 1:the delis that got all the food, the turkey wings, the A&D Deli or something like that? What the fuck is the name of that shit?
Speaker 5:I'm tripping. It's like three of them. Yeah, they all closest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how smart bro. I was walking to them jobs man. I used to be in the studio with them niggas.
Speaker 5:The whole studio 100 niggas in the studio.
Speaker 1:They be like oh man, them Jersey nigg. Yeah, they got projects on like every other block. Like you arrived on this block, there'll be a project.
Speaker 5:Our projects is the biggest projects in the city. Roger Garza Wilson Holmes.
Speaker 1:Dang. Oh, so you from the projects? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Damn so when you finally get the two features 1500, best 1500 you spent in your life. Now you up there with the big dogs, everything you get from that point on on all big dog status, kev, all features I know you're getting reached out to labels, all types of shit going on at this time. Yeah, so what? Um, at that time, what? Like you catching a spark? Where was your head at then? Like, damn, all right, we ready to get us a whole big never run, or I'm just running my marathon.
Speaker 5:Hey, yeah, youman, hey yo, you know what's so crazy? I just wasn't organized. The organization was missing, but I was just loving the moment. After I did the record with Meek and Gil just niggas seeing that because I was so smart dog with Steps Ahead, I brought my cameraman with me the next day with Meek and I made him shoot an in-studio video. I ain't make them, but I'm like yo shoot this in-studio video with me. I knew to capitalize on it. I said I'm probably not going to be able to catch this nigga again.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So let me go on.
Speaker 2:I'm going to pay for the feature now and get him just to get as much footage. Cuz was moving around fast back then Right now. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5:Yeah, he was on his run back then. Yeah, bag for the video, yeah you might be right. So I said let me go on to test this footage right now.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5:Yeah, that shit did like 500,000 views on YouTube quick, oh you capitalized all that, then they started calling me for features, I was like oh OK. And then for real, for real, it was a show. Batcave was on the radio. It wasn't Power 99., it was on another station. Yeah, everybody performed. They put me on the bill. I came up here like 40 deep, performed with shit, and the love just became genuine. I started going to the studio, started going to Batcave. Then I started working with PI.
Speaker 5:Once I started working with PI, PI had heard a project I did with Don Cannon at the time and that's how me and PI clicked Shout out to Ace McLeod too. Ace McLeod too. Ace McLeod was a part of me moving heavy around Jimmy Wallstreet. God bless the dead, my nigga, jim. Jim, you know what I mean. And me and Jim dropped Twin Towers. Then I dropped the joint with Cannon. Like I said, records with Beans, records with Meek records with Gil fucking Spado Lava.
Speaker 5:All the legends Dutch Bump Cree Forge Khor, me and Khor probably got a 10 piece together. Me and Lights man fucking everybody bro ARL.
Speaker 3:So basically you working with all the top people from Philly. Did that work right into the talk and the situations with Raspi and Kiss?
Speaker 5:So that came like a lot of people I met Kiss multiple times but I never got to rap for him Okay. And that shit was burning me up.
Speaker 3:I went to O'Melly shot a video of Kiss and Yonkers.
Speaker 5:I rode up there with them and and Kiss walked off to the bathroom and everybody was standing right here and I walked behind that nigga to the bathroom.
Speaker 4:I shot the eye lap.
Speaker 5:I gave my son a kiss. Yo.
Speaker 3:I'm loving this nigga. Keep it on it. I'm telling you, keep it on it. You're the most baby.
Speaker 5:Listen. So me, KOR, all of us. I was shooting a video with Kiss, so we was waiting for the camera niggas to set up or something and we was all standing over here and Kiss walked over here and went to the bathroom. So I walked over there behind him and shit you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I was like yo Kiss I was like yo.
Speaker 5:Kiss, we take this picture real quick. That nigga was like yo. I just took a picture with you. I was like nah, but I'm saying, I just wanted to. You know what I mean. This man, you get it. That was a group chat, you hear me, but I really wanted to drop a couple of equipment on him.
Speaker 1:I really wanted 16. I ain't want to play myself.
Speaker 5:I said chill. So my man booked him out, my Kiss again.
Speaker 2:You had him on that mixtape.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah with Big Mike, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5:So my man Book, kiss, was the locks I pulled in. Sheik pulled me in, oh ah ah. They didn't know who I was, but they showed me love. I really wanted to let a clip go then, but I just you know what I mean. You got to read the room. So I say all that to say I'm in Batcave, major Figures working on a reunion album, so I had just laid a verse right. So I'm in there. They're playing my verse, back Door swing open, gil and Kiss walk in my verse playing through the big speakers and shit. So everybody like mm, mm, mm. So Kiss like Bump, who that Bump like? That's my man, oh, he like that's you, he like oh man. And from there it was on. You feel what I'm saying, but it was multiple times I've been around.
Speaker 3:But that's the reaction you wanted though.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but it was the right setting.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:It was a lot of times I could have jumped out the window and played myself Right. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:But I, I know how to read the room.
Speaker 5:I tell niggas that too. Read the room is super important, because that can really get your access denied or get your access granted you know what I'm saying. Nigga, walk in your studio session the beat playing, they start rapping and shit. You be like man. Who the fuck, who the man is this you?
Speaker 2:know what I'm saying? Real shit, though, like who the fuck is this Calm?
Speaker 5:down. But now I tell niggas all the time, once a nigga fuck with you and fuck with your energy, it make the music easier. Yeah, so now me and you sit down and doing this. If a beat come on, I'm in the studio. I might be like, yeah, bro, what you got for this, because we done already. I done kind of already got a feel for you as a person. You got a feel for me as a person. The transition to the music is way easier Versus as you walking in, I got a beat on loop and you just in the corner rapping and I'm like come on, cuz.
Speaker 3:Like you blow my shit, right?
Speaker 5:You understand what I'm saying. We ain't even chopped it up. I don't even know your name yet, or nothing. You know what I'm saying Like, but it's just. You know music etiquette though, man. You learned that from trial and error, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. No, go ahead, go ahead so when you finally do meet Kiss and you get the proper introduction or whatever you know, because you was going on with Kiss at one point in time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I was with the so Raspy. I was with the so Raspy camp. So when we met Kiss after I met Kiss at the thing, my man, on my way, did a feature with him and I happened to be on the record, so I lined that up we brought Kiss out the train and, um, from there our relationship grew. Okay, you know what I mean. Organically though, but yeah, but business organically, but also with business right, and then from there it was all love, from there say no more so all right.
Speaker 1:So what? What year would you say that? Was that so raspy?
Speaker 5:uh, this was probably like right before the pandemic, damn oh shit, okay, so all right, boom so oh damn well when you started, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, no, I wanted to, um, to touch on a specific part of your career. So like I'm not going to lie, like you know, I'm 26 years old, so I always like heard these, knew like how, how hard you was, how was OT you and OT the real collabs on, because OT the real was real close with Dunny, which was my engineer, and then my brother Zeke worked in there with Dunny and then my brother Zeke worked in there with Dunny, so OT the Real was in that mix with us and he just was smoking man and I remember you was somebody not, if not the most, you was somebody.
Speaker 1:He really was like, yeah, he here. So how did y'all even meet? How did that even come about?
Speaker 5:So OT, ot was recording. So for those that don't know, we was all recording in the same studio 444 building. It was Mike Jurge. It was PI's studio. Rug was around the corner. Then Mike Jurge moved to Cali. Rug took Jurge's room over. Pi was right here and Dunny was around the corner.
Speaker 5:So, that building was like and then Pop Trax and then was across the hall too. So that building was constantly motherfuckers in and out, in and out. Once I linked with PI, my access was so granted, bro, I was coming up here with a week worth of clothes. So I come up here with a week worth of clothes. Cuz, catch the train up this joint, go shower at PI Mob Crib in Camden and be right back in the studio every day All up to my flight. I tell niggas all the time that was college for me.
Speaker 1:Shower at PI. Mom Crib, no bullshit, I come right back to the store.
Speaker 4:That shit was like, that was my college for me, bro.
Speaker 5:That's work, that's mobbing, but that's how I was able to be in everybody's session, like Kour, like Chorus Sessions or Melody Sessions, lights, jermaine, louis V I was in everybody's sessions. Everybody Lee Mazin, everybody fucked with me. So I was able to be around, sit in their sessions and shit. So, long story short, ot was coming in there, started coming in there to record and OT this is where I was fucking with Fat Joe. Ot pulled me to the side and was like yo man, let's do a tape. And at first I was like damn, let's do a tape. But I fucked with OT. It was hard. I was like, yeah, fuck it, let's do it. We did five songs. We knocked that shit right out. And then what I say about OT OT put me on. Ot I think was managed by Breezy at the time.
Speaker 2:I think he still is man Shout out OT man Right right, so they kind of put me on to the rollout.
Speaker 5:After we did the music right, they lined up mtv jams and bt jams and all the radio runs and that was like my first time kind of releasing the project the right way. I was like, oh, okay that's how you're supposed to do this shit.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying and that was kind of yo I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell y'all something right, it's 2024, we, we are in the 2020s. Hip-hop was born 50, 51, 50 years ago we are at a point in hip-hop where you can't just be hot and be signed.
Speaker 5:Yeah or be?
Speaker 1:hot and be hot in the. You gotta have them rollouts. You gotta have them concept albums. You gotta have that. You gotta have certain knowledge, because I be seeing a lot of you dudes just making you know okay. So even if the song's hot, y'all just be making them and it just be a bunch of music. It just be a bunch of songs stacked up. Your album name don't really mean nothing, it don't really go with no story.
Speaker 1:There you go. You didn't really lock in and go on that interview and that freestyle and that you feel me. There, you go, it's the 2020s.
Speaker 5:And a lot of you niggas get cute. Don't forget that part.
Speaker 1:Listen.
Speaker 5:Niggas, get a little wave and get cute. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:If fucking Meek and Travis Scott and A$AP Rocky's in the weekends doing fucking rollouts and shit what makes you think you ain't going to have to? Do it, you're going to have to put extra mustard on your shit Because they the top of the top Facts. You know what?
Speaker 5:I'm saying Artist development is very important, bro, because a lot of niggas don't understand that outside of the studio is when the work really starts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:You got the record, all right, cool. Now the work is how we get it to the masses. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:And how you're going to conduct yourself doing it.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean. Right, and on some real shit, everybody that hits you right now. You need to be doing these platforms. I don't give a fuck who he is.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:Because you're not in a position to turn nothing down right now. Right? You know what I'm saying. Every, every time a camera on it, it's somebody that don't know who you is that you walking away from.
Speaker 2:Man, when I see somebody like on a on a rollout, like when I see like they about to drop, I might reach out to him and then and then respond. I get back. Boy, I'd be like only in philly this will happen, yeah, anywhere else. People, where is that? I'm there? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5:like is this shit is important, bro, but see this what's going to separate the niggas that's going to be around 10 years from now versus niggas that's? I mean you might get lucky and get a run.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:But what happens is you get a run, you get cute and you show your ass when you cool off. People remember that Facts and they can't wait to remind you, like no, no, no nigga. Don't come back around with your humble shit. You got cute nigga you understand what I'm saying. So it's like at the end of the day, I tell people I mean, of course we can't do everything, but when you want a promo, run, you know. Look at, for instance, look at the motherfucking political campaign.
Speaker 2:The presidential, that shit get on my nerves, but they killing it.
Speaker 5:Because if I could leave here with one vote, nigga it makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yo, they got CEO Duke on there, like I just feel, with Kamala. Come on, shut the fuck up what.
Speaker 3:Duke crazy bro.
Speaker 4:I see that shit up there, dude, they got Trump's nabbing about Pennsylvania right now.
Speaker 1:Like Pennsylvania is cheating One of the most important states. I think that shit gonna be rigged.
Speaker 2:Well, since we on that, look we ain't gonna get too much on that, but make sure y'all vote man.
Speaker 1:Make sure y'all vote.
Speaker 2:Picking up back when we left off white boy.
Speaker 3:So yeah. So look that right there where you was just talking about where, um, where where was it? Where, where was your time? Ot the rail right the, the i-95, that that's like one of the most classic drones that y'all did together. Oh yeah yeah. That drone right there like um, that y'all really set off like the rap y'all did together, oh yeah, yeah yeah, that joint right there Like that shit. Y'all really set off like the rap Y'all made niggas rap.
Speaker 5:Like, you know what I'm saying and yo, it's crazy because I started seeing a lot of niggas going off that beat after that joint, that joint.
Speaker 5:then they got a million views too, and that shit was just like I said. We was preparing to run around and promote the album. So this is the platform. It's like when you rap nigga, okay, go to the platforms where they want you to rap. This is what we do. This is second nature. You understand what I'm saying? So OT had the line we jumped on the road me, ot, my man, og Dave shout out to OG Dave at the time and we did a little tour in Boston.
Speaker 3:I'm about to say because that platform at Boston, yeah, you know what I mean and we just ran around.
Speaker 5:But you know, like I said, more importantly, I learned from that situation and I applied it to my projects. After that, everything got to be set up the right way. Like I said, of course we can't compete with the major artists and the major labels, but we can do what we can't compete with the major artists and the major labels.
Speaker 2:But we can do what we can with our resources and what we have I mean and make it on your level.
Speaker 5:You know I mean so I try to do like I got a project about to drop now, kobe at the rucker, I'm gonna do a private listening session in philly. I'm gonna do a private listening session in train, I'm gonna do one in atlanta. You know, I'm saying and then I'm gonna do, said any podcast I can, especially that makes sense. I'm pulling up bro.
Speaker 2:And guess what? When you do that, that gives you opportunity to link with your peoples, the people that want to support you.
Speaker 5:I want to fuck with who fuck with me and build that core following Because build that core following Start from there.
Speaker 2:We got artists that we deal with on a regular. He throw his Like. We got artists that we we deal with like on a regular. He thought shows from Jerome and when I go to them shows I just see the people that that love him. That's fine, that come out.
Speaker 5:You know I'm saying no matter how many times he do a show Right.
Speaker 2:Them people won't come out for that.
Speaker 3:That's a fact, so. So I hit all the corners when I wanted to actually wanted to ask you on your journey of this music thing, did you ever get a chance to meet K Slay?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because the reason why I asked that rest in peace to K Slay. The reason why I asked that Rest in peace, dj Clark Kent. Man oh man, hey yo. Rest in peace to Clark Kent For sure for sure.
Speaker 5:Rest in peace to Clark Kent Rest in peace.
Speaker 2:That was like pioneer, that was a piece of fat man.
Speaker 4:scoop Yo, Clark Kent.
Speaker 5:And fat man scoop, hold on right there. Before we get to the case Clark Kent hit me out the blue One of these in the DM A long. I'm psyched up like a muck Because Clark Kent a fucking legend, it's Clark Kent. Clark Kent gave me the whole yo bro.
Speaker 1:Change the world, bro, your voice da da da, da, da, da, fuck with you.
Speaker 5:You right there. This probably was like a year ago, feel me. This probably was like a year ago out the blue and I guess we kept was like. He was like yo. This my email send me some records. We gon' get together. We never got together, just the fact that he sent that message. That was everything.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, like what you're saying about slater, like type shit like that, though, because because they the people, they the ones that fight for the for the culture, the culture, the lyrics yeah, I'm saying, and k slade, I always knew he was a pioneer and one of those type of people that always fought for the people that be underground or the people that be like the unheard, but they super hot like you, like you know what I mean. And I always wanted to know, like damn, when you met K Slay, like how was, like you know, was he everything? You know what I?
Speaker 5:mean Slay. God bless his soul, right. Slay's last mixtape that he put out was with me no cap. Slick 3, the love over powers to hate, Slick 3.
Speaker 3:It's about K Slay.
Speaker 5:It's on all platforms. I knew Slay for a long time through DJ Radio. Dj Radio was a guy that was working with under Slay Shade 45. He was pushing my music a long time, like when I was in the A the first time, and all that shit.
Speaker 5:So I knew Slay from then and then me and Slay had went through some shit and for real, for real, my man Pesh from Atlanta shot the Pesh and Mike Knox really got us back together Okay, no cap, I can't even front Got us back together and my man Smitty, my man New York, smitty Talk is cheap yeah, for sure. And then after that we linked up, Slay did the tape.
Speaker 3:And we was about to lock in, shoot a couple of vids, and and then you know one thing about docs he always get people together, bro.
Speaker 1:No, that's a fact. He, you weren't up. Man shout out not, that's a big one, um, so all right. So after the, after the ot the rail you know you want ot the rail y'all collab, um, I'm not gonna lie to you, like when you search big o on platforms it's just too much, it's forever, it's too much, never ending too much so I'm gonna keep it real with you.
Speaker 1:I don't even know like specifically what project to actual about, but what I, but what I am going to say is Like you put your work on. Yeah, bro, like you really like it ain't even like when you say oh one is this only in 2024 see facts. A lot of people can say that, like there's a lot of artists that can say they've been rapping since then, but not releasing. But they not releasing, they not putting in the work, they not rolling it out they getting lazy for two years and then coming
Speaker 4:back and you not on that and it costs money you feel me, yeah it costs money you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So what? All right, so all right. So so what? All right, so, all right. So you never had a major label deal, right?
Speaker 3:no, you never had e1 entertainment. That's a big independent or an empire.
Speaker 1:That's what we're going for all right, so for sure, yeah, being that you're going for it now, yeah, being being as though that said what gives you the job to not quit like what gives you the job to not say not right here it's been two decades. I ain't gonna say it ain't working out for me because I'm big goo, you feel me, but I'm trying to take care of my family, all right and it ain't it's like we'll give you the job that don't be like man F this.
Speaker 5:First of all, I pride myself into just putting your head down and grinding. So that's why I always said I said yo, if I upload this joint on YouTube and it get 200 views, I don't give a fuck. I'm still dropping Because I know, once my moment come, people going to do the backlog.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:And they going to go look at all my old shit. Once one album take off for me, they going to listen to all the old albums, the same way Nipsey did with the Victory Lap shit. Once Nipsey had his moment, everybody went back and listened to all his old shit. So that's what. On that aspect, keep me going. I think for me, to be totally honest, giving up was never even an option for me coming into this shit, and if if you pay attention to what I was saying in the beginning of the interview, it was about the examples of greatness and the seeds being planted early on yeah early on.
Speaker 5:That's why people like with children right. They say take your children on as many trips as possible so they don't fall victim to thinking that the world is just where they at when they become adults yeah well, they well travel.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm saying. So with me, with those seeds being planted early on, I seen people make it early on, so I knew that it could happen. So, the, so, the, the, the thing in my head to say what if this don't work? Was I never even there? You know what I'm saying. I know it's gonna work, it's just not gonna work on my there. You know what I'm saying. I know it's going to work, it's just not going to work on my time, right you?
Speaker 4:understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:So it's like at the end of the day. I seen multiple people win, win, win. You can't. There's nothing you could tell me that's going to deter me to be like yeah, bro, that shit ain't going to work for you, because I seen niggas get it, and way more niggas than not mention.
Speaker 5:You understand what I'm saying so, at the end of the day, that keep me going, the love and the passion for music keep me going. I think now, in the aspect where I'm at now in life is just more so understanding the business aspect of it. And then looking at my city and looking at artists like Fly you know what I'm saying like Plaga, like Doe Stacks, like Bad these are four battle rappers from my city that we're putting together a group project with them and putting a record together with them, but just me being able to get in the game and the knowledge, so it don't take them as long as it took me. You know what?
Speaker 5:I'm saying and that's the shit I'm working on the behind-the-scenes shit. You know what I'm? Saying the love keeps me going, though I'm going to keep it real to answer your questions.
Speaker 1:What's the biggest song you wrote for somebody? Because I know you pinning out here, oh man.
Speaker 5:I can't even get into that.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I can't even get into that. So look what I'm definitely doing that.
Speaker 5:The reach out to me DM email email.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 4:I like that question you just asked.
Speaker 3:But what you have in a long, illustrious career and doing music and you work with a lot of people is there anybody that you want to work with that you didn't work with?
Speaker 5:yet. Yeah, that's a good question. I definitely need that Nas feature. I need that Ross feature. I already got the record. Ross Get with me. Yeah, ocean Drive me and Jordann Banks the verse already open for him. You hear me, nice. Ocean Drive me and Jordan Banks, the verse already open for him. You hear me, nice. I definitely need that Nas feature. I need that Jay feature. I need that Jaheim feature too.
Speaker 2:Oh, that should be, that should. Yeah, I need that. Come on, jaheim, I need that.
Speaker 5:I'm really like heavy R&B boy, though, to be honest with you, for real, for real, that's really where I'm at with it. I'm really writing a lot of R&B records. I'm doing a lot of writing behind the scenes. I'm getting into that. I love the behind the scenes shit just as much as the artist shit. I love getting with an artist, getting in the studio with him picking his brain, seeing where his brain at coming up with the record kind of like vocal producing him through the record.
Speaker 5:I love that aspect just as much as working on records for myself, so that's why I'm doing it.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman, yeah, man, and I ain't going to lie to you, a lot of y'all out there who you trying to be the main act, or you're trying to make it as an R&B artist or a rap artist yourself, and it just seem like it's not working for you with shooting the light. Yo, songwriters make more bags than the rappers. Yeah, a lot of them do.
Speaker 4:Licensing music licensing all that music that's what I've seen, bro?
Speaker 3:Yeah, all that, yeah, yeah, people them do.
Speaker 4:Licensing music. Licensing all that music People just want to be seen, bro. Yeah, all that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:People don't understand that, yeah, yeah, movie like the movie. I forgot what the actual movie Jon like when movies. Or the NBA. What's your song Credits? No, it's like music licensing Licenses yeah. Yeah, like man listen if you got talent.
Speaker 5:People making a living off that.
Speaker 1:I know If you got a real talent at writing music but you trying to beat but you're in the spotlight, but you're real good at writing music in the spotlight, just not. I'm telling you them songwriters don't got to be marketable. Yeah, they ain't got to be marketable. You ain't got to have on all the clothes and the valencies and guess what put that pin?
Speaker 3:they gonna make sure that check clear too. All right, which one I heard which one?
Speaker 1:I heard what you mccall. It was a exclusive writer over at atlantic. Like, like people ain't even believe he wrote his own songs. Rest in peace, rock. Like he was a great songwriter. He was great, great songwriter. He was great, great songwriter. I'm going to tell you how the labels work, though.
Speaker 5:It's common sense, though. A label will cut you a check as a songwriter right Just because you're a great songwriter and I'm a record label that got a hundred artists. I'm going to need you to write for these artists anyway. So why not give you a deal? Because a lot of the great songwriters want to be great artists, right? So why not? If I'm a label, why not just sign you? Who cares if your album comes out or not? I need you to work with my artists anyway, you understand what I'm saying, so you're in house.
Speaker 5:You understand what I'm saying, but I tell people all the time a lot of artists don't understand. I'll be like yo, bro, if the songwriter is presenting the lane for you to make some money, get the money and reinvest it into your artistry. And because, at the end of the day, you're making money, you can reinvest it into you as an artist and you're gaining a relationship with the artist you're writing the song for. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm, Like this shit is chestnut checkers, bro. Everybody that make music got a hundred songs in the clip that ain't nobody gonna hear. Somebody can use them hooks, them ideas and some shit.
Speaker 3:I definitely got a hundred on them, j-zero still drink.
Speaker 1:What's your relationship with Don Cannon?
Speaker 5:I just left Cannon the day before yesterday.
Speaker 1:What's y'all really? What's that like?
Speaker 5:So me and Cannon shot the Ace McCloud. Me and Cannon linked up my first run in the A through my man Keysan and my man Jovon Daze. So we linked up, then me and Cannon did a tape and then I met Ace McCloud after that. It's crazy, that's all Ace McCloud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ace McCloud, that's family. He was working too.
Speaker 5:I just left Cannon like two days ago Just had like a three hour meeting with Cannon, Me, Cannon and Ace.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. You know what I mean. I ain't going to get you. You can in the ace McCloud, yeah. So what? Y'all?
Speaker 5:you just told us what y'all doing. Yeah, I'm saying, you know what I mean. Just stay tuned. Yeah, we ordered I ain't going live.
Speaker 1:So there's one thing I want to ask you before we you know.
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Speaker 5:Bro, I need y'all to do the mixtape. The big lights yeah, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's why lights one of lights uh projects was called quizzy's dream, right yeah?
Speaker 5:because the choir, right, quiet like super, believed in lights, was back in this play. Uh, you know, everybody needs somebody like that, you know, know, I mean, and everybody don't have somebody like that, though that's the thing, you know. I mean. He loved, he loved. He loved lights genuinely and he knew his talent. But long story short, I was in one of the modes where I was in between the music. Music wasn't going my way damn, what's my next play, what I'm gonna do? And quad called me sitting in the crib and he's like yo, bro, bro, I just sent a video with you and Lights to the cast and director from Empire, she going to call you. Now this was Empire on fire. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:I'm like nigga what the fuck.
Speaker 5:I'm like Kyle. Stop playing on my phone, nigga. I ain't in the mood for that shit right now.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:Five minutes later she called me. So she like yo da da, da da da. She said he sent Lights' video to show them who Lights was. There was a song me and Lights had.
Speaker 2:They like I want the big guy.
Speaker 5:So the casting director was like yo, bring the big guy too, Bring him up, Right. So me and Lights she called me, she like but the audition's in Chicago, Me, Lights, Qua, we all drive to Chicago, right, we all share one hotel room bus to hotel room. Drive to Chicago Grind. We go to the auditions. I get to park lights, don't.
Speaker 1:Oh sh-.
Speaker 5:We go to the auditions. We go into the audition. Right as soon as we leave out the audition, my phone will ring. A Chicago number call me. I'm like what the fuck is this with Chicago All?
Speaker 1:dumb and shit, it's them.
Speaker 5:Yo, you got to park lights audition lights don't get the part. So we on our way back. They called likes to come back and audition for another rule. He auditioned for that role. Eliza ended up doing like four or five weeks on the show.
Speaker 1:I did one week, yeah I forgot lights was on empire but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like that out the guys.
Speaker 3:Man, y'all put that work in there yeah, no, you really put your work in, man as a piece of quiet.
Speaker 5:I was my guy man, good dude.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you this, man. This is probably the last question I got for you Right, your first one being the growth of ego, your last one being being the Groove for Big O, your last one being don't tell me. All I Can See Is the Money.
Speaker 5:No, so that's a German canon. But what happened is I just uploaded a lot of my old material onto the platforms.
Speaker 3:Okay, so it still show up like 2024. The last one is like Sleazy.
Speaker 5:The last joint is called From Vegas, oh, from.
Speaker 1:Vegas, from Vegas, okay, okay, from Vegas. All right, so your last one is From Vegas. First one to grow for Big O. What is the main? Like the number one. I guess you could call it a rule or like a type of a motto you go by when they come to this music stuff, with all them years you put in um, I guess the one thing I go by when it's kind of making music is just quality first.
Speaker 5:Um number two just be yourself, bro, be yourself. It's a million people out there that see the world like you. See it just gotta tap into, tap into it. You understand what I'm saying. Niggas be thinking they got to. Oh, niggas doing this, I got to do that. Niggas doing this, my nigga, be you, whoever you are, because that translates to the music. When you fortunate and trying to be other than self, niggas going either, if we don't catch you through the music, when we get around you, we're going to catch you and we're going to know, like this, nigga, $3 bill. You understand what I'm saying Be you. Quality first. I love the music. So at the end of the day, I always want to put out the best quality and as long as I keep hearing myself getting better each project, I know I'm headed in the right direction. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Rob Markman 2 Chainz Right. Yo man Big U. I ain't gonna lie man Like I look at you as the face of Trenton.
Speaker 4:I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Face of Trenton. It ain't really, it really ain't like to me, it really ain't no even.
Speaker 3:It ain't up for debate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well-spoken. Yeah, hold it down, dropping material year after year on the scene. He's in Philly. He got his foot in the water.
Speaker 5:There's so much talent in my city, right, this run right now for me, to be honest, is really about exposing that, because at the end of the day, right on my run over, I want niggas to look back and be like damn, sonny just had a run and was focused on himself.
Speaker 1:He had a run and tried to put other niggas in position.
Speaker 5:The focus on himself. He had to run and try to put other niggas in position.
Speaker 3:The whole thing behind the blessing is to bless others, whatever that blessing may be you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:I always spoke French, bro. I always said, oui, my biggest shows ever. I brung my niggas on the stage to perform 10 deep Cosmic. Kev called me to do the come up show. I bring my niggas up there with me. Opportunities come my way. I bring my niggas Because I want y'all to experience and understand and that the seeds was the plan for y'all early in life, like they was for me to see that this shit can happen if we put in the work. I tell niggas all the time the stage is big enough for everybody that's going to earn the spot to be there. We ain't doing no favors, nigga. You going to put in the work, you going to earn your seat on the PJ. But the PJ seats is limited, nigga. Everybody can't go.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm saying? Real shit.
Speaker 2:Before we start these games, I want you to actually tell the people some information where they can find you. Also, let them know what you got coming soon and what you're working on.
Speaker 5:IG Twitter B-I-G-O-O-H. Big O, my next project Kobe at the record DJ Filthy Rich, produced entirely by DJ Raleigh. Be on the lookout for that. Be on the lookout for Life Lessons. Big O, dj Drama. Be on the lookout for that new project. Big O, don Cannon. The clip loaded, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yo, he can be on the lookout for, like the three, Jords, yeah man.
Speaker 2:Yo what keep you so humble, like this, like even your t-shirts. Say one day at a time Like what keep you like that?
Speaker 4:That's just how.
Speaker 2:I am.
Speaker 5:I pop my shit on the mic. Ok, like I'm one of them niggas, I like to get on the court and talk my shit. Like you can't fuck with me, nigga.
Speaker 4:You know you can't fuck with me.
Speaker 5:You know what I'm saying but I ain't a nigga, I don't got to walk around the league with that energy. I feel like that's lame shit to me. You know, what I'm saying. I'm more of a like. I like to interact with the people I like to go off energy Every time, every game.
Speaker 3:Here on the really the most we play it. We play a couple games, though, and this right game right here called fast-track, ain't not too crazy. You just gotta pick one of the other. I like to start with this one, cuz it's like I'm saying we Philly and you so close to Philly that I know you won't really too so State property or major figures.
Speaker 5:Man don't do me like that.
Speaker 1:That's the easy shit. That's the easy one.
Speaker 5:Man don't do me like that. That's just starting off, that's the easy one. Ah, fuck, get real. If I'm being honest, I got to go MF, mf.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got to go MF, I gotta go MF, mf. Yeah, I gotta go MF.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, you said you're keeping it honest.
Speaker 5:I gotta go MF, I would go SP. I mean, I would go both, to be honest.
Speaker 4:But I gotta go.
Speaker 5:MF. Yeah, I gotta go MF, all right. Let's go, go to the next one. Oh, y'all don't get to answer them, jax Keep, oh, y'all don't get to answer them.
Speaker 3:Jax, keep it honest. We good, we good, we good. Yeah, stay property.
Speaker 2:He want help.
Speaker 5:Stay property good, you good. I got prop. Yeah, I'm going MF, bro, and the reason I'm going to say that, I'm going to say that we're going to keep it 1,000.
Speaker 1:Them boys hit them streets in another way, bro, they Well SP was even together.
Speaker 5:I was just going to pick your thing a thousand For sure you feel what I'm saying and I'm state peak to the I love both of them For sure, they for sure. Good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:No, hell yeah, they set a tone, bro. The figures did what they did. They set a tone, yeah, they did. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:We can't forget that I got to go Koo G rap Okay.
Speaker 5:No Slyke to Kane though, because Kane the legend for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm going to ask the answer to him too.
Speaker 5:I'm going Koo G, I'm going Kane, I'm going.
Speaker 2:Koo G too Koo.
Speaker 5:G opened the door for that. Talk, talk, talk. You know what I'm saying Uh-huh. Big Daddy, kane, my dad favorite, so I'mUnit or Dipset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's about to get there now. We about to turn it up in the next two minutes.
Speaker 5:I'm going to keep it tall, right, it depends on the day of the week, because there might be a Dipset mixtape.
Speaker 3:Well, we going today.
Speaker 5:Today I'm feeling like G-Unit Okay.
Speaker 3:Dipset all day. Dipset All day.
Speaker 5:You're not going to water down G-Unit mixtape game like that, though. Nah man their mixtape game was great.
Speaker 1:Nah, I fuck with Dipset too.
Speaker 5:Damn. That's a tough one though, but you can't say the Dipset mixtape game.
Speaker 1:I mean Dipset is probably, and they are better solo artists than G-Unit, like Tony Ayo and Young Buck. Hold on, hold on, hold on. They are.
Speaker 5:Now let's Google this G-Unit artists sold more than Dipset artists solo Big facts.
Speaker 1:All right 50.
Speaker 5:Banks Young Buck sold more than Jim.
Speaker 2:Cam and Santana Is it better Impact-wise, I give Dipset the impact?
Speaker 4:No, is it better?
Speaker 5:Banks. What it better. They had some Banks. What's that? Some good albums.
Speaker 1:Banks.
Speaker 4:Young Buck got a ball one better than Hustlers. Hustlers got a ball one.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 5:That's tough. Go to the next one, man.
Speaker 4:All my way to church.
Speaker 2:I said this set Okay.
Speaker 3:Rockefeller Rough Riders, oh Rockefeller.
Speaker 1:Rockefeller.
Speaker 2:I keep telling you you gotta switch that. That ain't even a shit, rockefeller ain't got something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Rockefeller that ain't even a shit. Rockefeller.
Speaker 3:The bow body right, Right.
Speaker 5:Facts Right, I'm Rockefeller to the end. Man Monica Akishaku, every Right, right, I'm Rockefeller to the end man, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the argument every time, monica, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Tank or Tyrese Damn.
Speaker 5:That's tough. Oh man, that's crazy. I'm going Tyrese. I ain't going to lie Tyrese. Last album was super crazy, though I like Tank Tank fire too. I like tank tank fire to Mm. Hmm, hey, I will go to.
Speaker 3:Chris Brown Usher.
Speaker 5:I don't suppose.
Speaker 2:I even get there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you tell me, oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wait, the one got to go.
Speaker 5:I got to go usher because I should came out first, okay.
Speaker 3:I got to go yeah me too.
Speaker 1:Me too, I got to go. I should to go, usher too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 1:I got to go Usher too.
Speaker 3:Trey Songz or Ne-Yo oh.
Speaker 1:Ne-Yo Trey Okay.
Speaker 5:Trey Ne-Yo Ping.
Speaker 3:Gang Trey, my favorite.
Speaker 5:Ne-Yo Ping.
Speaker 3:Gang Vittar.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, but Trey my favorite.
Speaker 5:Ne-Yo Ping Gang. I fucking Trey too though opinion stupid, okay, um, by the way marvin gaye or teddy pendergrace? Oh damn, nah come on no, you can't say nothing about either one of them. Yeah, boy, I like teddy music I like teddy.
Speaker 1:Teddy got me too, teddy got me me, I like.
Speaker 3:Teddy Music better Harold Melvin and the.
Speaker 2:Blue Notes Teddy and.
Speaker 4:Marlon nigga I like Teddy better, I think Teddy from when he from Philly, philly yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, teddy was, teddy was Gosh, that's tough.
Speaker 3:Teddy, was that nigga? God bless Teddy man.
Speaker 2:I can't even keep that because, that's that's crazy akon or jaheim
Speaker 1:oh, jaheim, all that okay all that I tried new jersey that ain't.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 1:That ain't even all right um queen latif for lauren hill that's crazy jersey man.
Speaker 5:I gotta go queen latififah, because she set the tone. Yo, lauryn Hill is amazing. Queen Latifah set the tone though, so you know what I'm saying. I got to go with who?
Speaker 3:came out Styles or Scarface Styles Kiss or beans.
Speaker 2:Hey, yo, hey, yo. Well, thanks for having me, guys. You know what?
Speaker 5:I mean I appreciate you all for having me, you know what I mean. I appreciate you all for having me. You know what I mean Yo.
Speaker 2:Yo Yo, that's a draw, though I don't really know who I got with that Yo Kiss or Beenz, because Kiss was Kiss he been trying to rap for Kiss while he going to the bathroom.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say I'm going to like. I got pissed. Because his catalog is way more better. I'm biased. Like they both rap equally the same, I'm biased so I got to go to catalog at that point.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think Beans one of the best rappers ever in the world, bro, I got to pick on him. Bro, can't never go against him.
Speaker 5:When they beefed. When they was beefing, I was so upset, bro, me too I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1:That was one of the worst, that's the best, that's like the best hip-hop man match ever but, it hurt a lot of people feelings bro.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, no, I had to.
Speaker 1:No, no, no I'm saying, like not the battle they had.
Speaker 2:I'm saying that's the best matchup ever to battle, to hell to put against it yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean damn so who you come on, you gotta pick one. That's what we doing we picking somebody.
Speaker 5:I got kiss, I got mac I got more hits better catalog come on, we ain't even gonna do all that, if I'm gonna be honest, be honest, I got beans man All right, let's go, we being honest, being real with the most today.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Y'all want to start the next game or Hold on.
Speaker 5:Oh shit, Kiss of beans is crazy.
Speaker 4:The heart is going to hold you, yeah that's crazy, that's nuts, bro Martin the Fresh Prince.
Speaker 5:Oh, Martin hands down.
Speaker 2:All right, what's up, what we doing? Martin hands down.
Speaker 5:Martin was giving in Leathers and all that Martin was in his bag.
Speaker 1:Kevin Hart? My guess Kevin Hart, for sure Kevin Hart, eddie Murphy or Richard Pryor.
Speaker 5:Dang, I wasn't around for Richard Pryor, but Richard Pryor funny as a motherfucker.
Speaker 4:I got to go.
Speaker 5:Eddie Murphy Coming to America is my favorite movie growing up.
Speaker 2:All right. Bum B or Scarface, scarface Easy, all right.
Speaker 5:Scarface Shot the bun though.
Speaker 1:That ain't easy For me, it is.
Speaker 2:For me it is Scarface.
Speaker 5:Scarface was another level with that shit. Scarface was different yeah.
Speaker 1:Shot the bun, though. Yeah, bum.
Speaker 4:Hot.
Speaker 1:We gonna go this. I'm still thinking about.
Speaker 5:Kiss of Beans man. Yeah, that was crazy yeah that was crazy.
Speaker 1:I don't even know why I said that.
Speaker 2:That was crazy. That was crazy.
Speaker 3:One got to go Outkast or Mobb.
Speaker 1:Deep, mobb, deep All of that. Mobb Deep.
Speaker 5:Shout out to Outkast, though.
Speaker 1:You went down south real quick.
Speaker 2:That's real quick. Hold on the Alchemist, or Madlib Alchemist, for sure Yo Gotti or Rick Ross.
Speaker 1:Ross. All right, one gotta go, that's good. All right, it's the opposite, you feel me. We gonna see four things and one gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2:Shout out to all them people we just named Bring like list to your name. You already know we trying to shine.
Speaker 1:All y'all stars. Already we going Philly, oh shit, huh, yeah, everything about them. They actually got to go.
Speaker 3:Let me go Atlanta first. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So, whatever person you kick out the house, they got to pack their shit and roll.
Speaker 1:No matter what they did, they signed somebody. All that, yeah, all right, here we go. One got to go.
Speaker 3:TI Jeezy Gucci man. Yo Gotti One got to go.
Speaker 5:Damn Gucci.
Speaker 2:I'm going to holler at you cuz Yo. He kicked the craziest nigga out.
Speaker 1:He got to go. I will put out Gucci too. He got to dip like Ranch.
Speaker 3:I will put Gucci out, gucci too. You got to dip like Ranch. I will put Gucci out too.
Speaker 2:You got to dip like Ranch, I ain't kicking the rest of them out. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Gotti got to go. I ain't kicking Gotti out. Cmg is fun. Yeah, Gotti got to go. Gucci man discovered the whole Atlanta, so without Gucci you're not getting none of them. That's cool.
Speaker 5:Like thug or nothing. I mean it's cool, God bless everybody Can't bless everybody.
Speaker 2:I had to think about it. You can't bless everybody.
Speaker 3:I could do without CMG. Bro Thug was at TI. I could do without CMG. No, I could do without them.
Speaker 2:Get them Glo, glo, got the streets lit Moneybag. Glovrilla Black Young Thug.
Speaker 5:all I could do without them, I can't do, without Migos, I cannot do without Migos.
Speaker 1:I cannot do without Feature or Young Thug that Gucci Mane founded. All of them, they not on 1017.
Speaker 5:Not future.
Speaker 1:He founded, like it's already in the.
Speaker 2:Not future, no, you, that's they he founded like is already in the Not future future. Yes, he did. This uncle is future. You know who?
Speaker 3:future people is Rico. Wings Future was at Dungeon Family. I never said future.
Speaker 1:I said thug migos.
Speaker 3:You said future too. You said future, you did say future.
Speaker 1:And, and, and on some real shit. Gucci was the first one for him and rocco was the first one with future. Everybody down south bro, gucci had parts like all the street who was hot and nick and the labels were scared to with.
Speaker 3:That's true, gucci was with him, gucci had the studio and they all was going there.
Speaker 5:She ain't got no executive position somewhere. That's how you know the game up, bro. All them people, that all the people. Bro, he should be an exec somewhere, somewhere.
Speaker 3:Philly, one gotta go. He got his own label, that's why, that's why yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, Philly. Oh shit, NH Reed Meet Hattie One gotta go.
Speaker 2:Don't drink the water right now. God damn, you got brown on too.
Speaker 5:That shit, I'm goinga keep it real right. No disrespect. I love what everybody's done and contributed to the culture, but Reed probably gotta go cuz.
Speaker 1:Reed gotta go for me yeah.
Speaker 3:Reed right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:I can see a nigga now putting up all types of posts behind this shit.
Speaker 2:No, we good, we do this every day. Man Niggas got me fucked up, no we do this every day.
Speaker 1:Somebody got to go every time. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Somebody going to have to go. All right, All right you ready you ready.
Speaker 2:Let's see what Beans Free Crack Chris Nah come on Free.
Speaker 1:Got to go, bro, free, how, how you said.
Speaker 3:You said Ho ho, freak, still the head. All right, let's debate this real quick no now we starting something.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, let's debate this real quick Beans Freeway, young Chris and PD.
Speaker 3:Crack All right, but look, let's debate this real quick. It depends who you kicking them out.
Speaker 2:Why you kicking them out? Ho ho, go ahead Filling up your freeway now.
Speaker 4:Sit back, bro. Sit back, white boy, let's get on him dog.
Speaker 5:Can I say this? I'm going to say this as a fan and I don't want no backlash from this, because I love these niggas, bro. I don't even know why we playing this game like this, yeah, man. I got to let bro go, and this is the premise why I'm letting him go Because he never released a full left album.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say the same person that has to play a part out of the full.
Speaker 5:That's automatic no that nigga is fired, you can't say you're not hot 100% better than Freeway.
Speaker 1:I'm not letting him go. I'm free, fired too. You can't say you're not hot. 100% better than Freeway. I'm not letting them go.
Speaker 5:That's Philadelphia Freeway. I don't care, bro, I'm glad you're not Philadelphia Freeway.
Speaker 1:He's not nowhere near PD Crack bro.
Speaker 2:Freeway is nowhere near PD.
Speaker 1:Crack bro.
Speaker 3:So you said, you said who is Crack versus oh PD, crack versus, I guess Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:Freeway can get out of here, bro PD.
Speaker 2:Crack, me too Crack.
Speaker 1:Free.
Speaker 4:Free. I love Crack too, man. Free got to go, guys, I ain't thinking about you.
Speaker 1:Sometimes talent just matters that much, bro. Hey Free, get up here Free. Pd Crack wasn't on Hot 9-7 Freestyle.
Speaker 5:PD Crack wasn't on Hot 9-7.
Speaker 2:Freestyle. Hey, Crack do this Get in here A-Mod. This was my idea. Which one One gotta go? Who? All right one gotta go.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 5:What's up with the?
Speaker 3:female rappers in Philly. We got you here we go right here, big China. I talked to him. I talked to him Rocky, here we go, big China.
Speaker 2:Ah, let me give you what Go ahead Lay banks, lay banks, and we could throw. And one chain.
Speaker 3:No, no, tierra wet.
Speaker 2:Tierra, wet man.
Speaker 1:Rocky one chain Tierra wet.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, no, no, lee Mason.
Speaker 3:She got to come outside first, All right all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you right, go ahead, tierra wet.
Speaker 5:Shout out to Leigh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Leigh got to come outside. Bro, she outside. She had a show last night.
Speaker 1:She outside, though I know, she had a show last night, yeah she did.
Speaker 3:She still got a show. What was?
Speaker 1:them again, say the names again. Tierra Whack.
Speaker 5:No Rocky like ranch hold on yo she's coming up here next week too, pussy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make sure y'all play this, so you tell us y'all play this for it too because I with china, yeah, rocky china lay banks, and who was that?
Speaker 3:who was that last one?
Speaker 4:banks, and who was that last one?
Speaker 3:Rocky TR.
Speaker 2:Wett, I think Damn. I think that might be right though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, china might do have to go on that list. Right there, that's right there.
Speaker 5:I'ma only say?
Speaker 3:I'ma only say I fuck with China, me too, because that's my dog, yeah, that's a tough list.
Speaker 2:That's a tough list. That's tough, that's tough. We got more females too, though you know what I'm saying. I like.
Speaker 3:Kate Gleason.
Speaker 2:Yup.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like it, there's a few more.
Speaker 5:I like Chyna too. Yeah, I like her, Matter of fact.
Speaker 2:I want y'all to release a little bit more, though y'all. Let's drop some tapes out there. Let's see some more collaborations with our females in the city you know what I'm saying and let's support the females in the city a little bit more too.
Speaker 1:Show up to them shows, so fuck all that China gar Go.
Speaker 2:When he get up here he go like China I love you so much. I know, like I was, just I was hot at night.
Speaker 4:Like you know, like you know, I spent your whole verse I did like your whole verse that whole verse you did last night.
Speaker 1:Let's do the heavy hitter man let's go let's go.
Speaker 2:This is the one. It's time for it. He like that, ain't that, ain't it?
Speaker 1:I thought this was it all right, look, no personal if you let them, let them go. They wasn't even born, bro Dang.
Speaker 4:You're taking this out of here, bro, it'll be silly as shit.
Speaker 1:All right, Dr Dre, Diddy Birdman, Jay-Z.
Speaker 5:Birdman. What that's easy, huh Easy. No, we done.
Speaker 1:One more time.
Speaker 3:That's easy.
Speaker 1:Huh Easy.
Speaker 2:No we done One more time. That's easy, wrap this shit up, bro Birdman cuz.
Speaker 3:Wrap this shit up, bro.
Speaker 5:Hey, Birdman, I'm going to holler at you, cousin.
Speaker 3:It was a little lame, just leave it.
Speaker 2:Get up, get up. Hey, yo Birdman, I'm going to holler at you, son.
Speaker 5:We're going to holler at you when we out. All right, this is the one and the most podcast. Hold on hold on.
Speaker 3:Y'all said Dr Dre Diddy. And who? Dr Dre Diddy? Birdman and Jay-Z. One got to go, it's.
Speaker 2:Birdman nigga. So you done with Nicky. Yeah, you done with Drake.
Speaker 5:You done with Drake. You gon' get rid of Puffin. Get rid of Biggie. You gon' get rid of Jay. You gon' get rid of Dr Dre. Get rid of Snoop. Nigga, what Birdman gotta go? You can't do it out the West Coast, nigga. Birdman got to go, nigga.
Speaker 3:So no Wayne, no Drake, no BG, hey yo so we not. So it's not like we just going to X out all of them, though.
Speaker 1:Bro Lil Wayne Argyle be the best rapper ever bro Jaquese, come on, go ahead, cut the camera.
Speaker 2:Yo, this the real of the most podcast this the real of the most podcast.
Speaker 5:You're not going to like what I'm about to say, yo. You're not going to like what I'm about to say oh and I. I'm not going to say it because I'm not in a position to say it. I'm not in a position to say it. You're not going to like it. I'm about to say it. Yo sit back down.
Speaker 2:Say it. This is the Rolling Bulls podcast. Make sure you share, like, subscribe, comment. If you don't do, you know Yo put my potato Because it's free.
Speaker 5:Because, do you know with?
Speaker 3:shit.
Speaker 5:Okay, then I know where that's going, just leave it alone. What?
Speaker 1:What you gonna say. Gilly, that's what you was gonna say, hello.
Speaker 3:Hello.
Speaker 1:What's the real podcast? I'm rolling, I'm Cash.
Speaker 2:I'm out of world Cash.
Speaker 3:Who you. I'm out of world Cash, that's white boy D2A.
Speaker 5:I'm white boy D2. That's why I do it. Greatest rapper ever.
Speaker 1:I said arguably, I'm arguing all right, name five, five Rappers that you can really say better than Wayne five rappers yes, jay-z, notorious big Jadakiss, iiss, beanie, seagull.
Speaker 5:That's four. You fucked up.
Speaker 1:You fucked up already, Nigga. What? What are you talking about? What are?
Speaker 3:you talking about he's still talking.
Speaker 4:He's still talking. I ain't gonna lie Cash.
Speaker 2:Cash Cash, he's still talking. Who said what?
Speaker 5:Jadakiss and Bean's not better than Lil Wayne. No, no, hey yo no. How long you been listening to Lil Wayne? My whole life I been listening to Lil Wayne when Lil Wayne wasn't rapping like that Bro.
Speaker 1:You said Jadakiss, better than.
Speaker 5:Wayne. Hey, yo Wayne wasn't always you know what and I love Wayne. You all due respect. By the end of the day, Wayne, transition come from.
Speaker 2:Gil Wayne will tell you, jayda kissed one time Wayne transition come from.
Speaker 5:Who just said Jayda kissed better than Wayne? Nigga Wayne transition come from Gil. If we're going to keep it all the way, 1,000. Let's get into that and we're going to talk about it. Nigga Wayne was not even rapping like that until Gil came around here bro, he don't want to get into that let's get into Wayne.
Speaker 2:We never spoke on it. We never spoke, we never spoke on it. We never spoke on it.
Speaker 5:I love Wayne, but what I'm saying is this we did Gil was heavily influenced, gil was a heavy influence of Wayne. Bro, right or wrong, bro, just real shit. This is facts.
Speaker 1:If you listen?
Speaker 5:I'm saying that's your opinion. What I'm saying is this we crown niggas as the best. I crown niggas that have no accusation of niggas, putting pen to paper for them. Yeah, if the ghostwriter thing is the thing associated with your name. You cannot be the best lyricist. You can be the bigger artist. You can have the bigger songs, you can sell out the bigger concerts. If I say the best rapper, there can be no accusation of another nigga putting a pen to paper for you. Talk Hold on Talk.
Speaker 5:Let me finish. I've seen Gilly not write for Wayne, but I've heard his influence and cadence in Wayne's flow. If you look at the video where Gilly and Wayne had the MF chain on, Gilly was sitting next to him saying shit, word for word. Go DJ Me being a writer, I know the feeling of writing for someone else and saying it word for word, because that's really me, nigga Right right, right, that's me, yeah, okay. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get that, that Roberto.
Speaker 5:Cavalli talking all that shit. He was not rapping like that, bro, and there's nothing wrong with being influenced and all that shit, but we just we're going to put on the tape. It's really the most, it's really the most.
Speaker 3:We're going to keep it a thousand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no problem, you know what I'm saying. No question, don't put that on our name.
Speaker 5:No, so what I'm saying is this If you say yo, he's the bigger artist you get. I don't know about nobody else.
Speaker 1:Best top five, dead or alive, right here.
Speaker 5:Top five dead or alive? Yeah, alright, talk to me, I'm listening.
Speaker 1:Jay-Z.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 1:Biggie Smalls.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Speaker 1:Lil Wayne.
Speaker 5:I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1:It's not even though it is, though, but it is, and this way it gets tricky.
Speaker 2:This way it gets tricky. Jadakiss, you better say kiss. No, it's not All right, go ahead. No, it's not, go ahead, don't rap better than bro.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 5:He don't rap better, he don't Bro. Bro Jadakiss, do not rep Bro Jadakiss, do not rep better than Joel.
Speaker 1:Santana, bro, he don't, he don't. You said what he don't, he don't. Who he don't he don't Bro, he don't bro. The fuck is you talking?
Speaker 4:about Jadakiss.
Speaker 1:Jadakiss, if Joel not rap better than him, bro, what are you talking about, bro?
Speaker 5:No, he don't Jadakiss. No, oh, bro, with all due respect, bro. Bro with all due respect, I know, hold on, let me, just let me, just because I know, because guess what? What's going to happen? Is this clip right here going to go viral?
Speaker 2:Let me say this to you I'm saying this to you from an elder's space he acting bad right now, O he didn't say can't or what.
Speaker 5:Hold on, hold on. He didn't say better songs, he don't rap better than Jadakiss. You had the floor. Let me respond.
Speaker 3:You had the floor.
Speaker 5:At the end of the day, bro, sometimes when we dieting and we cleaning out our system, our brains don't be functioning. I see the way you was looking at the wing For the salad delay. I know what you're going through you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1:You know what you're doing. You're going crazy over there.
Speaker 2:You're going crazy over there. You're going crazy over there. You got, bro. Let me tell you something. Bro, you might get a check for that shit you're saying right now, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1:Everybody, everybody. Hey look A cool little level 100 a month.
Speaker 5:You trippin'. One thing I noticed ever going to agree with this Yo comment, and please tell this nigga he tripping.
Speaker 1:I'm not a masses nigga. I can name five people right now that rap better than way, better than people that everybody Jadakiss, beans, eminem, jay-z. Bro, it's really niggas out here, bro, that was biting niggas. Big L, nigga J, big L, nigga Joel. Bro, joel Santana Is one of the best rappers ever, bro Redman and all niggas like that, bro. Y'all niggas just be hearing.
Speaker 5:Other niggas say shit.
Speaker 1:And then just be like.
Speaker 5:God bless Big L's soul.
Speaker 1:For real, when Joel's is one of them. God nigga, it's tripping bro.
Speaker 5:We ain't got more from Joel's than Gilly.
Speaker 2:We ain't got more from. Juelz than Gilly.
Speaker 1:Juelz pin not better than Kiss. We ain't got more from Juelz than Gilly Fuck is y'all talking about Juelz?
Speaker 2:pin is not better than Kiss, bro, I don't care what you say.
Speaker 5:Juelz Santana pin in comparison to this conversation. We ain't got more from.
Speaker 2:Juelz than you. That's fucking, hey, bro.
Speaker 5:Look up all the facts. I just want y'all to know this Podcast people out there in TV land I don't stand behind. None of that shit. That shit sounds crazy. Juelz Santana is no match up for old Jadakiss. They showed it already. Now, jadakiss, let go. Are you fucking crazy, nigga? They showed it already. Now, jadakiss, let go. Are you fucking crazy, nigga?
Speaker 2:But this held the group down down there.
Speaker 5:You can't name me a fucking verse that Joel Santana spit. That's crap. Are you fucking crazy? Are you crazy, bro? He on something bro. I'm cool, you on something bro. Hey, y'all niggas live by the shit. Jadakiss did this, the real of the that shit bro. Yeah, you fucking tripping, you tripping.
Speaker 1:Better than 80% of the niggas y'all be getting. Oh, Kiss ain't a part of that 80. I'm going to keep it real.
Speaker 2:Not Kiss, not one of them.
Speaker 5:Juelz never spit no line to this. I'm going to say this Jewels, I fuck with Jewels. Jewels had good beats. Jewels had good records. Jewels ain't no lyricist, though he cannot hang in there with Beans and Kiss bro. Jewels ain't no Word Smith. That nigga ain't known for no bars. When the fuck was Jewels Santana known for bars. He makes good records.
Speaker 1:I said something wrong.
Speaker 5:He makes good records. He not known for bars?
Speaker 2:It's the Real of the Most podcast man.
Speaker 5:Joel Santana never had a hip-hop quotable in the Source magazine, that's all I can say this shit been over. Real shit. Real of the Most podcast.
Speaker 4:That's all I can say. This shit been over, real shit.
