Partners in Belief

Transcript

Jim: 0:01

Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Decide on Joy, a podcast coming to you from Harmony Spiritual Center in Fort Worth, Texas. My name is Jim Kovalt.

Pjae: 0:12

And my name is Rev. Dr. P. J. Stanley. Thank you so much for being here and welcome.

Jim: 0:17

This is a podcast about various aspects of new thought and spirituality and how to apply them in daily life. Today we're talking about partners in believing. Yes. Is this? Well, first just say what we mean by that.

Pjae: 0:35

Yeah. So it's, it's very much like partners that you have in anything. If you're going to school and you're trying to get through a class, you put together a study group of people who kind of know things that you're trying to know and so they can hold you Accountable for things. They can know something for you until you know it for yourself repeat some things. It's just a just a comfort knowing that you're around some people that that are going in the same direction that you're going and They can help you stay on that path. That's what you're doing. So it's kind of like that So this

Jim: 1:01

is a group that you consciously create.

Pjae: 1:04

Thank you for saying that. Yes. It's a conscious creation. It's not you know, because we could say when you come in here on Sunday morning these are all partners and believing and they are for the time that you're here. But for partners and believe that people actually call up, they call me up. If I'm having some difficulty believing something for myself or I'm having a difficulty in applying a principle that I know I believe in, but my humanity is not allowing me to do it because I'm just pissed off and I need them to remind me of what I actually believe.

Jim: 1:37

How does having that group, I mean, how does that work exactly? So you say they call you up.

Pjae: 1:42

They call me when they need me. I call them up when I need them. Sometimes we're just talking, like you and I are talking right now. And for instance, I was talking with my daughter the other night on the phone, we just talked back and forth. And she said something it wasn't surprising. And she doesn't, sometimes we don't know. We don't know why people are attracted to us. So we're not attracted in like a romantic way, but why they want to be in our circle of friends. We don't really get that. And so she was talking about that. She said, I don't understand. You know why somebody, why they're so excited to see me. I said, you, you, you don't. Let me share with you. Why? Why? And so I can see for her something that she puts out because it's who she is, but it's so natural that she doesn't recognize that she's doing these things. And one of the things that she does so well is that she is so excited, truly excited to see you whenever she sees you. If you're doing something, you've got something on that she knows she's she's chief names that she goes, Oh my God, girl, you got it working. It's looking good. God, whatever it is. So she's always got something wonderful to say to someone like she's excited. To see them. Do you know what it's like for somebody to, to, to light up when they see you? Yeah. And so that's a gift that she has. And that's a, so, that's a, that's a knowing that I have. More than it's a belief, it's a knowing that I have for her. About who she is when she doesn't remember who she is. Or what she naturally does.

Jim: 2:59

So that, so that would be one of the qualities you'd be looking for in people that you, you recruited to your, your, your partners in believing, those people who did know those things about you.

Pjae: 3:10

Yes.

Jim: 3:11

And could remind you. And could remind

Pjae: 3:12

you. They are friends of yours already, or they're in your circle and they see Yeah, yeah. I was just looking at what my partners in believing are. They, first of all, they believe in the, they believe themselves. They already have they've intentionally decided that they want to have a spiritual life. This is what I'm talking about. Obviously, this is decided on Joey from Spirit Harmony Spiritual Center. So, I'm talking about spiritual beliefs. And you've already decided that this is how you want to live. That you have principles you want to live by. That you want to show up as a certain, In a certain way that you have values you want to show up as and so as your partners in believing they they know what those are. You've discussed it. You have conversations like a mastermind with them about who you are and how you want to show up.

3:53

Right.

Pjae: 3:53

Yeah, so it's intentional. And I think it's I think it's it's I think it's I think it's essential. Because even as a a minister and all the things that I know and want to want to Show up as I don't always. And there are just times when I simply, even when I have this relationship we've talked about many times, I have this relationship with spirit and I, you know, what are we doing? Where are we going? What's going on? And sometimes spirit. Talks to me, and I just say go fuck off. I'm not I'm not interested I mean, I'm human being and I can't for whatever reason I'm in this head space. Mm hmm, but my heart space I'm gonna head space and I can't do it So I show up as something that is not what I'm claiming and and then I beat myself up for it you know in the days that That come after that, I beat myself up for it. This is where your partners in believing know who you really are, and that's an anomaly. It's not who you really are. They can, they can, they can show you that they can work with you on that and say, that's not, you don't normally show up that way. That's an anomaly. Maybe you were tired, who knows, but you're human being and they, they, they allow me to stop beating myself up.

Jim: 4:55

So do their, do your partners do their. Beliefs have to totally match yours.

Pjae: 5:05

No, I don't know any, I'm sorry, I've jumped in, but you finished with the question? Okay. We are all New Thought. But we don't all, even all New Thought doesn't believe the same way. And there is so many, you know, we belong to Antony Affiliated New Thought Network. And our thing is is drawing in the, the New Thought community. There's so many ways in which we bring this new thought idea. And we call it new thought ancient wisdom because there's nothing new under the sun. So no, they don't have to believe like I, like I do, but they believe that there is something greater than themselves and that they're a part of it. They are one with that. And that's the essential belief after that. Yeah, you'd want

Jim: 5:41

some overlap anyway for sure, but they might not agree on every single thing. They don't agree. They don't agree on

5:47

everything.

Jim: 5:48

Yeah, we don't. Not so easy to find someone who was in total agreement on everything.

Pjae: 5:57

You mentioned that, but we were talking about we were on another show, we were gone to meet, we, meaning a couple of partners and I were at a convention and we were talking, we were asked to be on a, on a broadcast show. We were talking about what's ours to do when it comes to disaster relief because of all the flooding and things like that and what's ours to do. For me, it's about taking action. For others on the panel, it was about holding space. You know, holding the consciousness and that, that always feels woo woo to me because I mean, you do have to hold the conscience, but you also got to move your feet in my opinion. And that's okay. That's my opinion. I do what I do because that's what matters. They do what they do. And they believe that holding the consciousness of love or what, you know, the weather is straightening out or whatever is theirs to do. And I thought, okay, all right, there you go. And so we absolutely don't have the same belief about that. I don't, I, I believe that if someone needs water because there's no water coming, or they need a boat to rescue them from a flood, the me sitting here ohming isn't going to help them. But, but, but it does help the consciousness of the planet. And I do believe that. Yeah. So, yeah. It's just how you want to show up.

Jim: 7:06

Yeah. It, and who knows, it might encourage someone. That, that might encourage someone there to, to get in their boat. Get in the boat, go get them. That is

Pjae: 7:17

correct. There's, there's this power in, in your, in your belief system and holding that space and holding the consciousness, lifting, raising the consciousness of the planet. So I believe that's powerful as well. It's just what mine is to do is this other thing, what's theirs to do is, not that I don't hold the consciousness, but I do both.

Jim: 7:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So did you hop in your boat and go rescue people? No, but I did send money. I did send money and I bought some things.

Pjae: 7:38

But that's my boat. Whatever your boat, I'm doing quotations. Whatever your boat may be to get

Jim: 7:44

That is usually what we can do if we're not right there.

Pjae: 7:48

Part of it is how are you adding to the The problem down there, showing up. They don't have any roads to get in. There's a lot of things. So you have to be kind of consciously aware of how you're helping and how your help is gonna need help. And it's just Jesus. So it's a lot. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot.

Jim: 8:05

True of lots of situations like that. Exactly. Not just disaster ones, but

Pjae: 8:09

Right. Well, I think they wouldn't even let people go into airports, because the airports are crowded with the FEMA people landing and things like that. So, you know, you just gotta watch what it is that you're doing and not cause more problems.

Jim: 8:20

So, I guess, you would have to, it's not like you could just say, oh, I think this person would be a good, you have to know them pretty well before you would say, come be mine. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's

Pjae: 8:41

like a mastermind. Or even a study group. Are you talking about the, the people, partners? Tell me about

Jim: 8:45

mastermind. What is that?

Pjae: 8:46

Oh, I'm sorry. So a mastermind group, generally it's business. And people who are trying to maybe raise money or trying to start something, they will have a mastermind group of people that have different abilities, like how to raise money or how to, you know, and they'll put that in their mastermind group and they'll meet once a week to say, Hey, this is where we are. What do we need to do next? So And so you wouldn't just have anybody in there. You choose who's going to be in there.

Jim: 9:10

I only knew it as the name of a game, so I didn't Oh, is there? I didn't know that. Yeah, I'll tell you about it later. Okay, let's talk about that. Like a man from Florida.

Pjae: 9:18

Yeah.

Jim: 9:20

Yeah right. So in the notes here, there's anything about people whose gifts are the power of healing? What?

Pjae: 9:28

Yeah, So we have, we had a healer, we had a healer, Pat, who was on here. And so so she, so she's a partner in believing. Cause she knows, I absolutely don't know that. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I don't have that power. So if I need some healing, like right now my neck is bothering me for a while. So I won't try to fix it. I'll ask Pat. To put her hands on it because she already absolutely believes that she can put her hands on something and heal it. So I believe and other people's believing it as well. So that's another thing that a partner in believing can do. One of the stories that I, that is a great story for me, and I won't go into just a long story, but essentially this woman was very sick in the hospital. She was, she one of her kidneys was dead and the other one was dying. And so a spiritual person came in and said, Hey, do you believe that you could be healed from this? And she goes, no, no, the doctors already said I'm dying. One of my kidneys is already dead. What's their belief in? And so she said, well, you know, I believe in the power of God and this and that. And the way that the woman was talking the woman who believed, the woman who was having problems said, well, I can't believe that, but I do believe that you do. And so she began to believe in the woman's believing. And that helped. She helped her. And she actually still alive now. That was, she was 17 when, when that was diagnosed. And she's in her seventies now. Wow. So you can believe in someone else's knowing.

Jim: 10:50

So and right there in that sentence, yes. There's two words there. Yes. Believing in believe and knowing. Yes. What's the difference?

Pjae: 10:58

So it's, it's a level of believing. There's a knowing is a level of believing.

11:04

Mm-hmm

Pjae: 11:05

Believing is, is, is that I. I know that it's possible. I know that something is possible, and I'm, I'm, I'm just gonna step into it and believe that it's going to happen. And then you confidently expect it to happen. Someone who knows already They don't have to do that part. They already know. They just put their hands on you and go, Heal, baby! You know, like a healer. And they just know. It's done. We don't have to talk about it any further. It's done. And they absolutely know for sure because they've been doing it a while. Or they came to the planet knowing that already. So there's a whole, for me There's, there's things that I, that I work through having prosperity is something that I work on because I was raised in this, in the atmosphere of money's the root of all evil. And there's only X amount of money in the pie and you're asking for too much and only ask for your piece. And so I work on knowing, I work on knowing that's not true, that the universe is abundant. There is no pie. It's the whole universe is available. So for me, it's a believing Going going into a knowing other people already know there was one woman I was listening to and she said I love it. I said I want to get to that place She goes somebody asked her said why do you have so much money? She said because money loves me She said money loves me. It's always coming my way. She knew it. She wasn't believing it. She knew it. So that's, does that make sense? That's the difference between believing and knowing. It's just a stronger thing. And once you know, you don't have to believe anymore. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a belief from a, from a solid heart place. And you don't have to think about it. You just walk in knowing. There are things that I know. I know for sure. When I look at someone and people say that I'm bossy and I'm okay with that word. It doesn't bother me. But I know what you can do. I know what you're, what you bring to the table. I know that the power of love, of unconditional love, is transformational. There's no doubt in my mind. So I come in with the idea of loving everyone, even where it feels like they're unlovable. I'm not loving their behavior. I'm loving who I know them to be, which is a child of God. So that that's absolute for me. I don't have to think about that. I have to believe that. I know that to be true.

Jim: 13:15

Yeah, see that's so, so the believing is I guess maybe a bit more subjective. You don't have a concrete proof of it.

Pjae: 13:24

concrete. It's not as concrete where Whereas if you know it Yeah, I don't need any concrete proof. I already know it. It's going to show up because it is true. It's a truth I know.

13:33

Yeah.

Pjae: 13:33

And then there's a truth that I want to believe in. It's the truth I want to believe in. There's a truth that I know and getting from truth to believing is a matter of Just doing it enough times seeing it enough times like anything else If you win enough races in a car race, you know how to do it If you have enough prayer that works that comes true, you understand how prayer works And so now it goes to a knowing how to pray as opposed to believing How it works, so that's all this is a number of number of experiences that you have to turn into a knowing

Jim: 14:01

so coming back to the partners thing If you were Starting from zero How would you go about finding those people?

Pjae: 14:15

That's a good question. I haven't thought about that. But let me just think about real quickly the question will become What is it that you, what is it that you're trying to believe? So what is it that you're trying to believe? And you start you, what I, what I, let me just do what I've done for myself. I know that the prosperity thing was, it was a thing. It's not, it's not, not the thing anymore, but it was a thing. And so I want it to be around people. Who, like Pat, who, and Glenn, who just absolutely know they're prosperous. And so I want to be around those people, and how do they think, how do they talk, how do they know, what do they know? So I start to look for people who have the qualities of the thing I'm looking to be, or do, or know. So that begins to do that, and I don't, you have to be, you have to determine where they would be. I know that they're in these new thought buildings, not everybody that's in a new thought building or spirit or center has all of those qualities. Everybody has something that they do well, but not everybody's a great singer, right? Everybody's a great speaker. So. Just like when you, when you're looking for a group to join to study, you look, if you're looking, if you need to be a better biology person, you're looking for somebody who's great at biology. So that's, that's really all you do is what is the thing that you want to raise up your consciousness and, and who is showing up as that.

Jim: 15:30

Right.

Pjae: 15:31

And so get with them. And they'll be, they're more than happy. People who do those kinds of things, who understand and know, they want you to be there too. Because they know the universe is abundant. You're not taking it from them when you ask them to do that. They're just giving more. That's what we want to do.

Jim: 15:46

Making you happy. It's possible if you're in a location or some other situation where you don't have ready access to, say, a new thought. Congregation or whatever you want to call that. You might have to go looking online

Pjae: 16:04

Here's here's and this this might be a jump for some people But here's what I know if I'm looking for something. I asked for it to bring it to me.

Jim: 16:13

Huh Okay, I just asked

Pjae: 16:14

I just asked for it. Listen, I need to have people around me that know this show me the way Show me who they are That's a simple prayer that's gonna be answered so that's one way to do it you could look online as well I mean, it doesn't matter how spirit brings it to you if you're comfortable being online, but that's your prayer Then going online. I'll probably bring it to you.

16:32

You know, I mean, okay You just

Pjae: 16:33

ask that question and do what you do and it'll show up in front of you It'll show up in a movie thing. It'll show up in a something someone says The moment you ask about it, it's now to the forefront of your thinking and you'll see it when it comes your way.

Jim: 16:47

Okay.

Pjae: 16:47

Yeah. All right.

Jim: 16:49

A good place to stop. Thank you all for being here and we will see you next time.