Decide On Joy

Manifestation part 2

• Jim Covault

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Jim:

Hello, and welcome to this week's episode of Decide on Joy, a podcast coming to you from Harmony Spiritual Center in Fort Worth, Texas. My name is Jim Covalt.

Pjae:

And my name is Rev. Dr. P. J. Stanley. Welcome.

Jim:

And today we're moving into the second episode or part or whatever of a series about manifestation. I The topic that's just everywhere in the culture at the moment, but I think it's been a part of the new thought world all along. I mean, our website on the homepage, it says, create your best life.

Pjae:

Yeah, that's what we're about, just, you know, we're, we're creating all the time, what we're talking about is intentionality.

Jim:

Right.

Pjae:

Yes.

Jim:

So, the first part, we talked about discovering who you are about values and how you show up and what matters to you and things, so, maybe a quick review of what that

Pjae:

Exactly. So, we so, we, we're, it's a four part thing, and so we're, we're talking about how we discover who we are, exactly, so this is, and this is in order. You have to know who you are, discover who you are, then decide for it and then you determine That you're going to say yes to it, because you can decide who you are and all that, but to not say yes to it, it's not going to happen. And then, there's activities, things that you have to do, so you decide you've got to get up off the couch, or wherever you're sitting, or whatever you're doing and do that, which is related to what you say that you want. So, it's a four part Situation, just distinction, so that you know, if something's not happening in your life, it's not coming in the way you want. You can look at this thing and think, well, okay, did I, did I completely discover all that I, that who I am? It, cause it's not just a matter of discovering who you are, it's also discovering who you're not. Like, what, what you love and what you don't love, what you stand for and what you, what you say no, that's, that, that can't be happening, I don't want that in my life. So, it's a, it's a number of things that go along with the discovery process. And so, then once you, you, you determine, or you know, you discover who you are what, what values matter to you. And I'm in this, in this place in my journey. Of of discovery myself and expansion of how to make it as easy as possible for people to recognize who they are. I'm, I'm finding different ways in which we do that. And so, so we look at Who we are. Claiming who we are. The discovery process is a little bit more than I had thought it was going to be. And that's okay because when we, We think that we're something because of how we've been raised. We have what we call paradigms. Ways of being that aren't necessarily who we are. They're habitual ways of being. Right. Right? Yeah. And so when we're looking at the discovery part, We may say that this is who we are. But when we go to do it, we think, you know what? I think that was my mom. I think that's actually something I care for. You know what I

Jim:

mean? Yeah, absolutely. And, and, you know, I just reviewing that, that last episode, I, there was all this about, you know, determining what your primary values are and things. And I thought, well, maybe I actually need to do that, because a lot of the time, I tend to have no idea who I am.

Pjae:

I understand that. A lot of people don't. You know, not until you come up against something that's bothering you, is when you say, why is that bothering me?

Jim:

Yeah.

Pjae:

And, you know, it's not great for the value.

Jim:

For quite a long time, I was an actor, and that, of course, you recognize that you have a whole lot of different

Pjae:

Absolutely.

Jim:

parts of you that You do. You do. That you can utilize in that profession, but it doesn't necessarily help you to know who you are. Correct.

Pjae:

Correct. Correct. It's a part we're playing. And I love that you brought that up, because a lot of us are playing a part. We're playing a role. That was given to us, that we assumed it was us, that we, you know, the, the collective, the collective consciousness says this is how we're supposed to be. But in fact, in our heart of hearts, we don't, we don't believe that. We don't want that. And so that's where we kind of come up against it. So it's a, it's a process. Yeah. You know, it's not, it's not just sit down one day and write it all out and then there you go. No. No. We're much more complicated than that.

Jim:

Yes. But assuming that you had done that, and you get there, then deciding what you want how specific is that? I mean, is it

Pjae:

I know. I mean,

Jim:

and is there, are there any limits?

Pjae:

Is there what now?

Jim:

Are there any limits?

Pjae:

Well so when, yes, because if what you want is, is wrapped around what someone else has, or what someone else is doing, or you have to bring someone else into the picture, you have no control over what they do. So, So deciding what you want doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get it. But it does let you know what you're willing to do. You know, how much of that do you actually want in your life. So when I say what I want, or what you want, what we're talking about is really what matters to you. We talked about the values and things like that. So really what you want is wrapped up in what you value. So, for instance, I really value loving people, unconditionally. I, I, I really value that, and a lot of people don't understand that. Like, how can you love someone who is, I don't know, something that you don't admire, or something that you had to deal with as a, as a child or whatever, and so that's something you don't care for, like a, a, a drunken parent, or, you know, so you don't care for alcoholics. But just because you don't care for their behavior, It doesn't mean that you don't love them as a human being and care for them. So to, so just getting that straight in your own head is one thing. So, when I, when, with who I am as someone who loves unconditionally, then that's, that's that's what I want. But do I actually show up as that? So that's the reason we want to get really clear about what matters to you. Because even though it matters, it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be able to show up in that way all the time.

Jim:

Right.

Pjae:

Right?

Jim:

Right. You

Pjae:

have to give yourself grace for that.

Jim:

So, I think for most people when we talk about manifesting, I would tend to think of it in more concrete terms. Okay. Than what you're talking about there, not to say that, but I'm, and maybe that's wrong. But you know, to say I, I want a relationship or I want a new car or I want a different house or I,

Pjae:

yes. Yes, it could be those physical things, those, and it could be emotional things, it could be about what you want your life to look like as far as who you want to be when you grow up, if you ever do you know what I mean, there's that or it could be actual physical things, like you just said, a car, a house, a better life, more, more monies, more wealth. And again, The, the reason why you're trying to clarify that and figure out who you are, because again, for another example is that there is something in the, in the, in the, in the consciousness, not for everyone, but for a lot of people, particularly. Religious people or people who really, you know, want to live the way the Bible tells us that we should be living have a problem with riches, have a problem with wanting more money, because money is the root of all evil, is a, is a, is a quote that people use a lot, so you have this thing where you have to have money in order to, to eat, to eat, to buy food, to, and you have other people Who you look at and judge and say, well, why do they have so much money? They don't seem to be all that, you know, loving and caring, but they seem to have a lot of money. So I'm missing something here.

Jim:

Yeah,

Pjae:

you know what I mean? And so, so just trying to get really clear about that and let go of the paradigms that you have around money. There's money in itself. It's not evil. It's what you do with it. It's what, what, how it What matters to you about the money? What are you doing with it? You're right. You need a car. Why is it? It's okay for you to have a great car

Jim:

Yeah, and apparently money is not a reward for being a good person. It is

Pjae:

not That seems to be very apparent, but I think we have some confusion about that, you know? And so, so just getting real clear about what you want, and saying that, yes, you know what? I do want riches. I, I, and when I think about what I did with money, it is about service to me, service to my life. I need to, put yourself in the, in the, in the dream, put yourself in the life. It's not just that you want money to help other people, which you do, you know, most people do, they see someone that needs it and they would love to have it, to be able to help someone, but you also need to be able to have the life that you want, so the money goes for you, the riches go for you, as well as for other people, so I want enough, so that I can live the life that I'd like to live, as well as helping others do the same, that's about being clear, about what matters to you, what you want. And that's why that's important, because there's a confusion about a lot of things. You know, just coming from the, again, from the consciousness, and from the way we were born, and all of the paradigms that we have about what's supposed to happen, what should happen, what makes a good person. That's up to you to decide.

Jim:

Yes. It really is. And I suppose when, when you're deciding what you want, there are, I mean, this might be something that Spirit would tell you when you, when you ask, but there may be practical limits. I mean, if I decide, say, I want to be President of the United States, not for sure, but if I did, well, probably I would have needed to make that decision. A bit earlier.

Pjae:

And here's the thing. I love that. I love that you said that. Because if that is what you wanted, you would have made that decision earlier on.

Jim:

Yes.

Pjae:

And so you can see that you clearly, it clearly didn't matter, it wasn't something you were aiming at. You are absolutely a creative. You're creative. You are in the whole creative world. Well, I'm sorry, creative people aren't going to be president of the United States. Or president of whatever. I mean, you're going to be creative in a particular way. But not as far as, you know, dramatics and, and, and, you know. plays and things like that. So, I think early on you, you know, more because you, you, and I don't know that you necessarily know there could be a trauma in your life that, that, that pushes you towards one arena or another thinking that's what you want, such as I know a lot of people who grew up poor. And decided early on, I'm never going to be poor or be holding to someone. So did all they could to make money, to make sure that they were never going to be that. But that's not actually deciding or determining who you are or what you want. It's really saying what you don't want. You see, so that's the difference. That's one of the differences. That's not one, any one way to look at it. There's a number of ways to look at it, but, but determining who you really are and what you want and including in that what you don't want, that actually drives you. That's actually the energy that drives you forward into, into, and our next thing would be what you decide, what you're going to do at the end. Yeah,

Jim:

the trick there being, at least according to some sources, yes, deciding what you don't want is part of the deal, but then you can't focus on that. No. Because if you do

Pjae:

Correct. Correct. Yes, you actually are focusing on it and it'll come right into your life. The law of attraction does that. So it's just kind of a thing that you say, okay, I'm not, I don't want that. I'm not heading towards that. And you don't hang, you don't hold it in your thought. You just know that's not where I'm going. I'm going over here. Yes. So then you focus on where you want to go. Cause I think we talked about this. The Universal Laws an attraction is absolutely one that everybody knows about. Yeah,

Jim:

yeah.

Pjae:

And that has to do with what you focus on. See

Jim:

a previous episode. Okay. So, yeah, and. And I, we already covered this, but I think, I think, it's, it's, it's important to, to figure out which things that you want are actually things that you want and not something you've been told you should want. But

Pjae:

Yeah. No, I, I agree. I, you know, we, we've, we've talked, I think, on this program, and certainly you and I have talked about it a lot that the paradigm that I had for relationships. You know, what my role in a relationship was, and that was not mine. That was, but, but I lived with it a long time, many, many years. And all that I did in both relationships that I had serious relationships that I had, I came to it with that idea that this is, that I was support staff, essentially.

Jim:

Huh. Yes. Yeah.

Pjae:

I was support staff. Yeah. And neither one of the, my partners asked for that. Yes. Neither one of them. So, when they weren't happy with me being support staff, I didn't understand it, because I was doing, right, you know, I mean, because that's not what they asked for. I

Jim:

know that territory, yes. I got it.

Pjae:

Exactly. Yes. Exactly. So, yeah, that was a paradigm, and it took me a long time to finally recognize, you know what? They didn't ask for it, and I didn't really want to do it. Yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah. And of course there's also the aspect that what you want might change over time. Yes. It's not like, Yes. You can decide at 20, this is what I want. And assume that's going to be the case when you're 50.

Pjae:

Thank you so much. That is a beautiful thought. And a beautiful truth as well. Because we have to allow for the fact that we are going to grow, expand, and grow. We're going to come across experiences that say, Oh, look at this! I could have, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you. By degrees, you, you change, you grow, you think, oh, wait a minute, I was cutting myself short a little bit. There's a little more than I thought. As you, as you, from, Lord knows, I don't want to do or be what I was at 20. That was not someone well, let's just say that I did not have the worldly experience that I need to know to do what was right all the time. And, and, and I know that now, and I don't, I'm not angry with that young person, that's a young person, growing and understanding and hopefully I have, and, and, and from the age that I am now to another, if I get another 20 years, I'm going to be different than my, what I'm saying here on this show. If I listen to myself 20 years from now, I may just say, well, now, what are you talking about? But, hopefully, we're speaking universal truths.

Jim:

Yes.

Pjae:

That's dope.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah. And with that universal truth, we can stop this episode and we'll see you for the next one, which is just, which is talking about saying yes. Yeah.

Pjae:

Determined. Determined to say yes. Yes.

Jim:

Good. All right. That's the end of this episode. Thanks for being with us. And we'll see you next time. We will indeed.