The Consider Podcast
The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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Hosts: Timothy and Jacob
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#87, May 28th 2025, The Consider Podcast
and it's kind of nuts out there.
Speaker 2:But let's just dive into a lot of things today welcome to the consider podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly and madness. More information can be found at wwwconsiderinfo. Now here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob.
Speaker 1:How's it going, Jacob? It's going good. A lot of crazy stuff going on, but I got a feeling we're going to be able to say that in an increasing measure every single time before we start a podcast.
Speaker 3:Correct From here. Well, not that it hasn't been crazy, but it will only get crazier.
Speaker 1:That is true. Birth pains will get closer together. So I thought we'd, amongst all the chaos, settle one issue so that the debate comes to an end and everybody can turn their attention to other stuff. What do you think? Good idea Sounds good, all right, so we're going to answer and deal with the whole question. Did god create the heavens and the earth in a 24 hour day over seven? Well, actually the seventh day he rested, so there wasn't much creation quote-unquote going on, because everybody likes to debate that.
Speaker 1:all the scientists like to say the christians are crazy and stupid because they believe in a literal, literal seven days which, of course, with all the we talked about this earlier all the physics and stuff going on, I it literally could be that, as it could be anything else. Yeah, things are very strange in terms of quantum mechanics or the way the universe, and you know how many times, every single day, when I'm arousing the news out there, there's always something on science, like we have to rethink our history of where man came, or we have to rethink the history of the why and why this space thing's doing this over here. So if you really pay attention, scientists are more often saying, oh, we're surprised and this is something new and we don't know. Yeah, but that seems to get lost in this whole debate. Um, we're going to go to our old friend neil degrasse and play his little comment about, you know, creation and that kind of thing. You know. He reminds me of now, not the whole scripture, but read, uh, second timothy 3, 7 there.
Speaker 1:Jacob, tell me if that reminds you of all these scientists, these people going on always learning but never being able to acknowledge the truth reminds me of joe rogan, uh, neil degrasse, people like that, where they're always kind of learning something and that it's a pleasure to learn new things, but unless it leads to actual answers and really what I mean by that is the answer, jesus christ then well, you're just spinning your wheels at best and kind of wasting time, all right. Before I answer the question, though, let's kind of set the scene and the situation here. You've got all this debate and it's continuing on with what we're talking about here. Go ahead and play this section of Acts, chapter 17, jacob, and let's listen to it and see how it fits today.
Speaker 4:Acts 17, 16-21. While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace, day by day, with those who happened to be there. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked what is this babbler trying to say? Others remarked he seems to be advocating foreign gods. They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting. You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears and we want to know what they mean. All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.
Speaker 1:Does that sound like YouTube?
Speaker 1:Yes, it does I mean we went through all that, but it does. All the Athenians and the foreigners who live there spent their time doing nothing but talking and listening to the latest ideas. Well, I think so many podcasts take off to be done and so many podcasts that are out there. Just think of all those people stopped listening to the podcast and actually went out and started doing some things for the Lord. It's interesting. Go ahead and read Acts 17, verse 18 there, jacob, one more time. Let's just kind of pass through that before we answer Negress' question about the 24-hour day.
Speaker 3:A group of Epikrian and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked what is this babbler trying to say? Others remarked he seems to be advocating foreign gods. They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
Speaker 1:We all kind of know this, but I think we get surprised by it. Paul's simply preaching the good news of Jesus Christ and they're calling him a babbler. They can't understand what he's saying. It's really weird, because you talk about repentance, holiness, self-discipline, this commandment here and they think you're babbling. Yeah, um, if it's in the church they'd be going. Oh, he's taking things out of context. Um, he's kind of he's a cult leader or he's a part of a call. You started getting that.
Speaker 1:Now I do like the fact they kind of slander him a little bit. They call him a babbler. Right, but look at least of the character there's so much into talking and debating there. It's like they're insulting oh, you babbler, hey, come here and talk to us. So all they do is spend their time talking day in and day out. In fact, I think if we read on in this, I'm not a hundred percent sure I'd have to review and look at scripture again, I think. I think it says he won a few disciples. When you have a whole, whole lot of talk going on, it really just sucks in. The whole commandment and an idea about you need to be actually obedient to jesus christ. Anything else on that, jacob? No, all right, let's play.
Speaker 6:Go and play the neil degrasse video and let's listen to his comment something like 40 of american scientists will go to church and pray to a personal God, a God who would answer their prayers. And when you go to those scientists including the head of the National Institutes of Health, francis Collins yet he's a productive, active scientist. How do these sit together? Because he's not saying the universe was created in six days. He has embraced science, yet has kept the spirituality part of what is in the religion. And, by the way, he's not the first to do that. Thomas Jefferson is perhaps the most famous person to have done that. He said the value of this religion is not in me believing in miracles, it's believing and following wisdom carried by an important person in the history of humans.
Speaker 1:You catch all that. Basically, Christianity is just a matter of some moral principles out there and some basic concepts.
Speaker 3:Right, correct. He's saying you know, it's just a spirituality, that religion is separate from the rest of your life. You can, you know you're a scientist, or you're this or you're that, and then there's religion. Is this other thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like you're looking at the moral principle without looking at, and to the God, who's giving us the morals and that kind of thing? Well, first of all, let's just clarify negros is wrong and all those other scientists are wrong about the 24-hour thing. For some reason why, you tell me, jacob, we probably don't know why do they have it blocked in their mind that because genesis says days, everything was created, that it's 24 hour days. Where did they get that? Was that God give a pretext here saying this is the timeframe and measurements?
Speaker 3:I think a lot of people are assuming it's a 24 hour day because at some point in there it says he creates like the stars and he creates this. So everyone's assuming that like time started at that moment. You know, I think that I think everyone thinks time started, as we know it, a 24 hour day as soon as he said, like, let there be light. I think that's what people assume.
Speaker 1:Correct. They assume that I don't know why. The question is did whoever wrote the book of Genesis or any of the people in the Old Testament think he was referring to 24-hour day?
Speaker 3:I don't know, Back then they didn't call it 24-hour days.
Speaker 1:Well, it would have been sunset, sunset to sunrise.
Speaker 7:But that was a day to them. Did you ever see Fiddler on the Roof?
Speaker 1:Yes, so why would they assume that everybody back there coming out of Egypt, writing the you know, Moses writing the book of Genesis, who they think wrote?
Speaker 3:it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he probably did. Um, why would we think all through that time period from Moses on? Everybody assumed it was a 24 hour day.
Speaker 3:I think they just assume that's how it's always worked.
Speaker 1:Maybe they didn't assume that. Oh okay, let's go to 1 Peter or, I'm sorry, let's go to 2 Peter, 3, verse 2. Let's first listen to the whole scripture and kind of let that soak in and if you're in God, let the Holy Spirit wash you with that. If you're a pagan scientist having to listen in to see what kind of this babbler is saying, let's listen to at least what it is saying.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, jacob 2 Peter 3 2-9. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. First of all, you must understand that in the last days, scoffers will come scoffing and, following their own evil desires, they will say where is this coming? He promised Ever since our fathers died. Everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. But they deliberately forget that long ago, by God's word, the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, by these waters also, the world of that time was deluged and destroyed by the same word. The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1:Okay, the first part, we can see pretty clearly there's scoffers everywhere, right. And then what hasn't been discovered by scientists is that the earth was formed out of water. They seem to have this concept that it was formed out of fire, but I'm not going to go into that right now. Now, 2 Peter 3, verse 5 says but they deliberately forget. So somehow, within the conscience of man and the way God created man, they choose to forget what he's communicating, and it's a deliberate act. That's why you see the, the scientists, do they ever change the argument about the 24 or 6 days? I mean, we've been going, that debate's been going on for hundreds of years. Yes, at least nobody's answered the question, nobody's laid it out. Really, what's going on here? But they, they just keep sticking to it. I'm really getting to is they're just deliberately ignoring. Just like when he said in the last one you know he sees no evidence for God. How many, every atom, every proton, every blade of grass requires him to deliberately forget that God made it? Yeah, I mean, that's really what's going on. All right, that said, of course. Second, peter 3, 5 says they deliberately forgot, forget that long ago by god's word. So everything, something came into being out of nothing, technically, yes, by god just saying let it happen. Okay, the heavens in the existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, by these waters also, the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. Of course he's talking about Noah. So he's talking about a timeline here. Right, you've got the creation, you've got Noah. He's really pointing and talking about, in a very non-scientific way, the movement of what God is doing through time, correct, Correct.
Speaker 1:Then look at what he says and you go ahead and read that, jacob. Well, well, in fact, in second peter 3, 7, he talks about what's to come. So this really is a timeline table. Right, you got creation, flood, uh, the coming of the antichrist, all these kind of things. So he, it's kind of laid out a powerpoint, so to speak. That goes, you know, by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly man. Okay, that's what's coming. So this is literally a timeline. Right Now he gives a kind of footnote, what I call second Peter, chapter three eight, of what time looks like to God and what now God's perspective. Go ahead and read verse eight there.
Speaker 3:Jacob. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends with the Lord a a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day.
Speaker 1:All right, jacob. How did Peter know that it's not a 24-hour day? Because isn't that what he—well, first, let's establish? Is that what he's saying?
Speaker 3:He's establishing that our measurement of time is not the same as the Lord's measurement of time.
Speaker 1:That is correct. With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years. So if God is inspiring Moses to write the 10 commandments and says on day one he did that, what would we assume? This is God talking about his day and what he's doing.
Speaker 3:Yes. So then you could say that it took him 6 000 years to make the earth, and then he actually rested for a thousand years well, that's on a bare minimum.
Speaker 1:It says like a thousand years, in other words the, the scientists, let's just say they might be correct about the billions and billions of years, right well, but that's very unlikely, okay, well, let's just assume the years all I'm all I'm really getting at here. I'm not trying to. What I'm trying to get at here is that the thousand years. What he's really saying is not a literal thousand year he's telling he's, but he, the only but.
Speaker 3:He is giving people a reference, but, yes, he's not saying the exact.
Speaker 1:This is how it is yeah, what I'm trying to dispel here is that when you read in genesis and it says on day one, that doesn't mean a thousand years, it's like a thousand. Yeah, he could have ordered it if he wanted to and said, look you, god cannot be confined to what we consider time and measurement. It was like a thousand years. In other words, you just don't have. One second could be like a thousand years to god. Ten seconds could be ten thousand years to god. He's out of the realm of. His days are different than our days. That's what he really saying. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Yeah, if not, come back at me.
Speaker 3:Well, no, I, I, I yes, oh yeah, I, I, I uh. No, yeah, we're, we're just saying, we're saying the same thing, we think about it for a minute.
Speaker 1:If Genesis is written and it's all 24-hour days, if Neil deGrasse is saying that, back then, even when Genesis was written, when Moses was writing that line, he was thinking oh, that's a 24-hour day. And then all through the thousand years, all the way up to the New Testament, and we get all the way to Peter where he says hey, look guys. In fact he says, do not forget. In other words, it's easy to forget that God is outside time. And when you read something that says, okay, on day one God did this, he goes. Essentially he's saying don't think for a second. That's a 24-hour day, that's God's timeframe, and so he looks at things much different than we do. All right, so all through that, you get where I'm going with this, all right.
Speaker 3:So how did Peter know? Inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1:That's a. That's a good answer and clear. But I'll tell you what I think. Neil deGrasse and all these scientists are wrong that when Moses wrote about the day, and all through the South years, the Jews knew it was not a 24 hour day, sure the day, and all through the south years the jews knew it was not a 24-hour day, sure?
Speaker 1:they always kind of knew this. Yeah, everybody knew that. They knew. If you kind of said, in the beginning it wasn't like um moses looked at his sake, a watch and said this is a 24-hour day, right, correct? So I don't. Moses didn't come down, say, hey, you guys, here's your copy of genesis and all the jews are reading that and going, okay, day one, oh, that was 24 hours eight to five day, and then we go to the next day. I think they understood very clearly. Just that's why Peter's saying look, just don't forget the fact that God's timeframe is like a thousand years to God could be one second or a millisecond or whatever. Again, we've talked about before I have the surfboard theory, where time itself is being created, and so if you think of the big bang, may or may not be true, but let's just say the big bang is true well, there was a bang when he spoke it.
Speaker 3:I mean stuff. You would think stuff went poof.
Speaker 1:well, it's hard. Yeah, the evidence would point to the fact god said let it be created and there was this explosion and it was expanding out. Well, if you were riding a surfboard at the first of the wave, time itself is being created as the universe is moving out, correct? It's the same thing with the proton as you move faster, to the speed of light, what happens? Time slows down. So the man and the surfboard say I was on the surfboard right in the crust of the wave. Time is moving slow.
Speaker 1:So technically to me, if you want to go there, it could be for me a 24 hour day, because time itself is slowly ticking and it's slowly moving forward, and so I could literally write and go yeah, in one day God created the whole universe, correct. But behind that, since he's starting the creation, time is beginning to take on. I'm just going to have to say it's relative time for what's going on, because it's been established, correct, mm-hmm. So is that very, very feasible, that you could have a 24-hour day? And what Peter is saying here at the same time? Oh, yeah, and what Peter is saying here at the same time.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:What I want us to realize is, neil deGrasse and all you scientists out there, in no way, shape or form is Genesis implying, other than, if my surfboard theory is true, that it was a 24-hour day. So give it up. Let's start dealing with the reality of the proof of God that you see around you, the need for holiness and righteousness. Let's take a look at your life and let us just slightly consider the fact that a God who can create the universe as magnificent as it is, you should be a little afraid of what hell is. We can't even imagine that. All right, go ahead and read verse nine there, jacob, because again he's talking about God's time in relationship to our time. I mean, before you read that, let me ask you a question. Does it seem like god takes forever to bring justice, yes, or to answer prayer? Sometimes you can just take forever and you go.
Speaker 1:Why is god delaying? In fact, that that's usually one of the struggles of disciples. You know when jesus is talking about to peter what's happening and what's going and where he's going to go. Peter turns and goes well, when are you going to restore Israel? And Jesus has to say look, that's just not your business, don't worry about it. It's within our human nature to go. Why are you taking so long? What are you doing? Or even if something we're looking forward to, it just seems to take forever to get there. It's the nature of who we are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just the nature of humans to be impatient about everything. Really.
Speaker 1:I like your bottom lines All right. So Peter's timeline 2. Peter 3, 9.
Speaker 3:Go ahead and read that, jacob, the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise. As some understand slowness, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Speaker 1:There is so much in this. I mean he's talking about the creation of the universe, 24-hour days, the judgment to come, what will happen? I mean, just think of the power of what he's writing. Here. We're only talking like would they be classified as paragraphs? Let's just say five paragraphs. You've covered a lot of detail and I'm on here in a podcast trying to do it in 10 minutes. Thanks, that shows you how weak I am.
Speaker 1:All right, the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, All the promises about justice and righteousness and working holiness in our lives, or dealing with the people you know who they are who came after us to destroy us because of their sin. God is not slow in keeping a promise to deal with them. He will do so. He's just pausing here for a moment and whatever that pause means to God, he's going to pause and wait. He wants them all to repent and once they pass that timeline or that point where, well, nobody's going to repent, God's just going to start taking care of them. Anything else before we kind of move on there.
Speaker 3:Jacob. Oh, only to wrap that up, you know the end goal of all of this, even Paul outlining all of this wisdom, the absolute end goal is for everyone to come to repentance. So you know, even you mentioned it earlier. But whether it's Neil deGrasse or all these other Christians like you can argue, and even we I mean we're not claiming to understand all this but at the end, if you're not repenting, then it's all for nothing. You are wasting time.
Speaker 1:Amen, amen, jacob. All right, let's switch topics here. Jacob. All right, let's switch topics here. Uh, this is jamie pedersen. I think he's a democrat in washington state and, if people haven't figured out, washington state is a complete and total mess.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think it's peterson. I think this is jamie peterson, but I'm guessing I'm probably pronouncing wrong.
Speaker 1:As you can tell, I'm very poor with name peter.
Speaker 3:I think they just pronounce it. Oh, it's, it's almost, and not a T like Peter, but Pede Peterson.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I think it's Peterson. No, it's me that's mispronouncing it wrong.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm actually not claiming to have it right. Well, that works I think I've heard the name before.
Speaker 1:I like the word weasel.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that works too.
Speaker 8:Because clip and then I'm going to play it again for people. Let's do and consider what this unrepentant fool is saying kids over 13 have the complete right to make their own decisions about their mental health care.
Speaker 1:Parents don't have a right to have notice. They don't have a right to have consent about that.
Speaker 3:That takes your breath away.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is a pretty wild thing that they're doing. Number one all the science will tell you that 13-year-old male or female are not qualified to make a decision about anything in their life Correct Period they're not fully developed.
Speaker 3:Their brains aren't developed Correct, they're not developed. And that's just science. Yeah, this is the worldly earthly. Even Neil deGrasse is going to agree that a 13-year-old's brain is not developed Correct, Not fully developed.
Speaker 1:Actually.
Speaker 3:They're a child.
Speaker 1:I had a research paper done on this whole topic. Some scientists look at it. So this is an absolute fact, that when you talk about a teenager's mind being mush, that's a reality because it's being formed and then the hormones are just starting to flow. And this guy I'm sure he's blind and he believes what he's saying but the destruction he is setting into motion. You're literally telling 13 year olds that parents are nothing, that you're an adult, you can do whatever you want. You can't vote. Now I realize you can get an abortion, get birth control. They are little. We were accused of separating children from parents, which is an absolute lie, right?
Speaker 3:Correct, but the state of Washington is doing it a mass kind of thing, a mass.
Speaker 1:Play it one more time and people need to listen to what really. This is deadly, foundational destruction of your family, destruction of your family.
Speaker 8:Kids over 13 have the complete right to make their own decisions about their mental health care. Parents don't have a right to have notice. They don't have a right to have consent about that.
Speaker 1:First of all, where did he get to state the fact I mean, he's acting like this is a fact? Was there some scientific uh no paper examines and said no, 13 year olds, they mentally know first of all if they've got mental problems.
Speaker 1:that would imply that you're not mentally fit to make a decision about your mentally problem correct it's kind of like I I love that you go into the doctor, whatever right, and they want to judge your mental state and they're decent questions. I'm not kind of making fun of that, but the point is ago, have you had suicidal thoughts? Have you had this? Do you hear voices? Well, if I can check, yes to those things, it's you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:yeah, um, I don't know what you're quite proving there. It's kind of obvious. But I I understand why they do it. He's just doing the same man. Think about that Every 13-year-old. It's already bad enough. You can't discipline your children, you can't talk to them, and yet the state of Washington will hold you responsible if the child does something bad.
Speaker 3:And just so you know, this bill, a lot of this, all that thing which, by the way, did pass and in the in the news headline we saw they're trying to gut, they passed it a lot of it has to do with this trans stuff too. Uh, the, the underlining toe, you are correct, of course, but their real thing is they literally want kids in school to be like I want to, and then this law, they can give them the hormones, the medications, they can do the surgeries, they can do whatever they want without telling the parents. The bill strips away a lot of other rights, but specifically, he's gay. That dude is gay.
Speaker 1:Oh, for sure.
Speaker 3:The other second in command there in the Washington State Legislature. She's a lesbian, and then they're going for the children and it's child abuse. Yes, oh, this is full on. Yeah, this is nasty.
Speaker 1:You're luring children. Yeah, Just think about what you just said. If they have mental problems, you're taking advantage of them to bring in all of this trans stuff or just whatever drugs or whatever I mean the trans stuff is bad enough, but even if they don't kind of go there, you've just destroyed that person.
Speaker 1:Granted, you probably made him a Democrat for life, but you've destroyed them completely and the family and the whole structure and everything else. Very, very wicked stuff. And yet the state of Washington will think they can come in and figure out what a good family and a bad family is. This is their idea of a good family. So everybody else that would have morals, self-discipline, you know? Uh, not let the hormones pass, get your mind or associated here, think correctly over here, deal with this here, or how about just go mow the yard and it'll eventually go away, kind of routine.
Speaker 1:I mean that's all. Just just you could have science. Science says if you're depressed or whatever, get out and go for a walk, do something. Get out there and do that, yeah. But since you can't make your kids do anything, actually live a good life anymore, well, what? What you're really seeing in the state of washington is god bringing judgment into the state of washington. That's what's really going on and that's why, when, as as we demand justice and as we look at things, the odds are it's not going to change, I mean it could. God could just come in and just miraculously do some things. But the state of Washington is under judgment and everybody is suffering because of it, and even the people that are voting for these people. They're getting worse and worse off because they keep getting worse and worse, and so the level just keeps going lower and lower and you go why? None of this is making any sense. It's kind of like the budget thing Billions of dollars in debt, and so then you tax more. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 1:Or what was you were telling me the other day oh, I know that Washington state was suing Trump about the terrorists, but at the same time, they're passing more taxes within the state of Washington. Yes, and the rationale was well, trump will hurt the working person and all your taxes in the state of Washington are not going to hurt the working person?
Speaker 3:Of course it will.
Speaker 1:Of course it will. Yeah, but they don't care about that particular fact. So that's really not the issue. They're lying when they go to the federal court, not the issue. Uh, they're lying when they go to the federal court. Yeah, we're worried about it. No, they want the power and the control to use money for social services, to destroy your family, which makes them, the people in your family and 13 year olds, all products of the state. It's via. It really is a luring. What do you? What do you call grooming? Bringing people in? This is vile stuff. Grooming, bringing people in this is vile stuff.
Speaker 1:All right, let's listen to Isaiah, chapter 3, starting verse 4, because God promises that a nation that turns its back on him or does not even acknowledge him, and this particular scripture is going to say they do not acknowledge me. I mean, it's like God is saying okay, you don't have to believe in me, you don't even have to be obedient to me, you don't have to do all these things, but you won't even acknowledge that I exist. And that's certainly not. Only is the state of Washington refusing to acknowledge that there is a God with requirements and judgment, they are prosecuting for a fact in King County, washington, those who actually do good things and follow Jesus Christ. Good Isaiah, chapter three, verse four Jacob. Let's play and listen to it, and we'll discuss it a little bit.
Speaker 4:Isaiah 3.4-9. The honourable A man will seize one of his brothers at his father's home and say you have a cloak, you be our leader, take charge of this heap of ruins. But in that day he will cry out I have no remedy. I have no food or clothing in my house. Do not make me the leader of the people. Jerusalem staggers Judah is falling. The leader of the people, jerusalem staggers Judah is falling. Their words and deeds are against the Lord, defying his glorious presence. The look on their faces testifies against them. They parade their sin like Sodom. They do not hide it. Woe to them. They have brought disaster upon themselves.
Speaker 1:Anything, Jacob, that is not relevant to the state of Washington.
Speaker 1:No very relevant Verse 4 of Isaiah 3, I will make boys their officials. You come along and you say 13-year-olds are essentially adults, more than adults. They have the power and the authority of adults, correct, correct? What's it going to keep eventually, as the slide goes down? Well, 13-year-olds should be able to run for office. I will make boys their officials. Mere children will govern them. This is one child, meaning that representative now talking to another child. Nobody's matured up at all. So you really have children upon children.
Speaker 1:When I look at Governor Ferguson and all these people and King County prosecutors and all this stuff, man, they behave like children. It's like logic. Children don't respond to logic. They respond totally emotionally. Now, as they grow up, they're able to take that wording and can use it against you because they're learning. But it's all tied to what? Their emotion. So you can see why this representative wants 13-year-olds to vote for him, because to him that's a comrade. They said oh yeah, we just walk by emotion. There's no logic here and no reason. I don't want to keep harping on King County prosecutors, but clearly, logic evidence they threw all that out. It just didn't mean anything, correct, correct?
Speaker 1:Isaiah chapter 3, 3, 8, says jerusalem staggers. We're seeing this staggering process going on. You kind of watch, uh, washington state, don't they? Just one thing, you know. You think, oh, that's over with. No, they stagger into the next thing, they stagger the next thing. It's like man, you just keep falling down and everything that you do Am I right or wrong on that? Oh, you're right. Judah is falling. Their words and deeds are against the Lord. If anybody thinks that's not true, go back and listen to the last podcast, when we did a prosecutor Bible study defying his glorious presence. It wasn't just going after. They were defying the living God, they were defying all that was good and holy.
Speaker 1:In isaiah, chapter 3, verse 9, it goes on to say the look on their faces testifies against them. I remember mark larson and I forget who the other picture was. They were in the paper and they had the exact same look on their face. It was this chin up, hottie type thing. It's on the website there. Um, their whole demeanor, their actions, their behavior, their words, the looks on their faces and again at this point I'm talking about King County prosecutors testifies against them. The pride is just written all over their face. Now that can be also stretched to Washington state, as you watch Ferguson do his thing and other people do stuff. But I'm just saying this stuff is real, it is today and the church needs to pay attention to what's going, because they're literally they're not paying attention just how bad it is.
Speaker 1:Now you heard about the sing and praise-a-thon that was in seattle that there was a big kind of a little ruckus, a little bit, I heard of it I mean, I appreciate what they're doing out there, but they need to get much more sober about really what's going on, because part of the deception is right now. What's the name of the FBI director?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I always mispronounce it. That's why I'm hesitating, yeah.
Speaker 3:There's the Indian dude, who's number one?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm talking about number two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, number two. I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1:They're looking into the riot that happened in Seattle and the whole thing that went on there. And he's correct when he's saying I mean, for what the guys are doing getting done, they're exactly correct. He goes look, freedom of religion is not an option, kind of thing. Now, this is Judge Lori K Smith who, in the Just on just one, two, three sentences oh no, the state of Washington's freedom of religion does not apply in this case. I don't know where she even got the power and the authority to just, at any point in time, go oh, that part of the Constitution is null and void. You'd think there'd be some type of review process, because that's way too much power, especially for woman of the year. Twice over. Judge Laurie K Smith. Correct, correct.
Speaker 1:Look on their faces, testify against them. They parade their sin like Sodom, kind of obvious, right. I mean, you've got to crosswalk downtown somewhere that's painted like a rainbow and if you deface it or do whatever, I think it's a federal crime. I think it's like 10 years. Look, I don't know why this has. This should have been shut down by the Washington State Supreme Court and by other things. But first of all, if you've got something that that's you hold in reverence. You don't make a crosswalk out of it, correct? Don't all the other statues of Southern generals or whatever? Aren't they behind kind of a fence and lifted up and beyond that? You don't do it as a crosswalk. That's an undue burden on anybody and a temptation for kids to come along and ride their bicycle and make some scratch marks. Right now they're felons. I mean this. This stuff is nuts. Um, it's idolatry. That's so far out there.
Speaker 1:Anyway, god sums it up by saying woe to them. They have brought disaster upon themselves. Ah, we know the state of Washington is not going to care, anything that I just said, but it's the church that's not paying attention. They're being deceived by the good, and I say it's good that Trump and the DOJ and these people are doing, because it's going to be very, very temporary. In fact, if you dig behind a little bit and we've talked about this, right, jacob, yeah, nothing is being done to ensure our rights. People need to note that really. Well. Now I know they think I'm kind of off cake because they're going.
Speaker 1:Well, wait a minute. They're coming in saying christians have a right to be christians, right? Well, that's not what I'm talking about. That's like a, that's like a band-aid argument. It's good to do, but it's not going to solve anything. Um, because all that's going to happen is washington state officials are going to wait till trump's not in power, that they're just going to whatever.
Speaker 1:So so the fba comes in, looks and do you really think any of those protesters are going to have a hate crime charged against them, the ones that caused the trouble? No, there'll be this investigation. This will. There'll be this rooster crowing kind of thing. It'll be the federal government saying you shouldn't do this. But are they going to go arrest Detective Grant McCall? No, are they going to go arrest the co-conspirator who went this? Are they going to go out there and arrest the judge and prosecutors that intentionally violated our rights because we are Christians? Are they going to do any of that? Rights because we are christians? Are they going to do any of that? No, no, of course not. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:So what is happening that the church needs to understand is trump is coming in doing law and order. So we have an el salvador prison. We think that's all good, and we're bringing in more policemen, and we think that's all good. Beefing up the military, cleaning up the mid-tower, making it stronger good point. So there's this sense. Oh, we're tightening up the mid-cellar, making it stronger Good point.
Speaker 1:So there's this sense. Oh, we're tightening up the border, you know, we're sending IRSA just down there that use guns to, I think, or there was talk of it down at the border to secure everything. So even the word secure right, it gives us impression that things are becoming more secure. Well, they're not, and these would be chosen in other cells. What is in the in and of themselves, clearly need to slow down. All right, go ahead and play this warning by james comey. We all know who he is right, yeah, he was the fbi director under biden and let's just say things weren't going well for truth and justice. Go ahead and read what his warning is, and this is a pretty current statement.
Speaker 7:Well, these are the people who, through decades and decades, have seen every kind of case, and so they're there to make sure that the work no matter who's in charge in the White House, no matter who the attorney general is that the work is done consistently with previous practice and consistent with the law. I know Republicans these days aren't big in thinking about principle or precedent. They're going to be deeply sorry that that disappears, because someday there will be a Democratic president and there'll be investigations of Republican officeholders. Day there'll be a democratic president and there'll be investigations of republican office holders. If I'm them, I sure would want these career people in place making sure that it's done in the right way all right, jacob, any initial thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1:no, what is happening is because you're not having any real statutes of changes by trump, in other words, all executive orders. There's this false foundation everybody thinks they're becoming more secure, when it's not. What happening is the prisons are becoming more like prison. The laws are becoming even tighter, their government's coming in with more and more control buried with behind all this, because what's not happening is trump's not coming in and saying, oh, the police have too much power, let's scroll that back. The, the prosecutors are way beyond and they're abusing the law, so let's bring that back.
Speaker 1:We've got some pretty unjust laws about being falsely accused. That's not being scaled back. He's not doing any of those things. Is he that the part of it he's overwhelmed with the corruption that's going on scaled back? He's not doing any of those things. Is he that the part of it? He's overwhelmed with the corruption that's going on? You're trying to pass bills, you're trying to get on, but there's this knee-jerk reaction now, because the democrats came in and you had this lawlessness going on and this destruction happening. Now the law and order. People come in and go. Well, we want law and order, we want tighter laws, we want people arrested, we want people just thrown out. We want to just ignore any due process and just take immigrants and throw them out. And I know what the problem is. We talked about this the other day. The due process right now would take forever.
Speaker 3:They said it would take like I don't know, it's like 17 years or it's a lot of years.
Speaker 1:Right, it's the very foundation of the laws that have to be changed. So when I'm saying these things, when I say due process, there needs to be a check and a balance. It can move fast, but it has to be a check and a balance. That's not there. Or laws that come in and say the police can no longer trick you out of your rights, or if we show up in a house and we demolish it, that we have to fix it. You could come in with all these foundational laws that secure the rights of individuals, like you have a right to privacy, you have a right to this. Or you have a right to be forgotten by Google. You have all of these things that go on. None of that is taking place. No, right now, the big bill that's being passed. There's a great deal of money and effort going into catching up with the AI computer. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, we have to beat China, and I'm giving an American standpoint. We have to beat China because if China wins the AI, they win the whole world. Of course, we talked about this yesterday. All right, even if China wins the AI, they don't win the world. Ai wins china. Correct that? It's suicide to continue on with the ai. So, granted, it's not a pretty picture.
Speaker 1:The book of revelation really talks about the mark of the beast. We can get it all that. What we're really getting to is the fact, within this big bill, again, that trump has going on. There's a one line statement that says, for the next 10 years, the States, across the United States, cannot have any rules in place or any comments in place that would slow down the creation of AI or bring in any under any scrutiny. That makes sense. Yeah, in other words, for the next 10 years, they're going to develop AI at all speed possible.
Speaker 1:Well, there goes all privacy, there goes all rights to everything else, and it's quite um, what am I sobering to? If you go out there and listen to what AI is able to do, it's getting down. They can read they. I can read your thoughts. Um, listen to what ai is able to do, that it's getting down, they can read. Ai can read your thoughts. Um, so you, literally you know we were talking about the jsa you could be sitting in your living room. There'll be enough satellites out there. They're, they're seeing into your living room, when the supreme court should have ruled that 50 feet above at least you're stealing of your property line is. You have privacy, but all of that's being destroyed.
Speaker 1:So, behind the scenes those of us that are Christian disciples you really need to listen. Trump and whatever he's working is going to collapse, and what will be left in place is even more powers for people like Comey to come in and arrest you and put you somewhere. Just think if the El Salvador prison or wherever that's at down there, was in place during the J6 riot. They would have flown those people. They already did the most horrendous things. They would still be down in El Salvador and you would never get to them. There'd be way too many laws. It's out of the country.
Speaker 1:So you see what Trump is setting down, intentionally or unintentionally, it doesn't really matter. The point is God's plan and what's happening is going to come forward. Really matter, though, the point is god's plan and what's happening is going to come forward, and one of his plans right now is to deceive those people in the church that will not honor god's word, and so they think trump and all this make it america great again is somehow a positive movement from god. Right, any comments or anything? I kind of went a little long-winded on that, no, all right. Well, now let's shift to another democrat, david hogg. Go ahead and play this jacob, and this is what being a democrat is all about right now.
Speaker 5:What I think happened last election is younger men.
Speaker 5:They would rather vote for somebody who feels, who, even if they don't completely agree with they, don't feel judged by then somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around constantly because they're going to be judged or ostracized or excommunicated.
Speaker 5:And what's interesting about this moment is it feels like the two parties in some senses have flipped where, you know, republicans used to be the judgmental assholes in many ways, and since many Democrats despite us, I would say, for most of us coming from the right place of wanting to do the right thing we've created a culture where we say, well, if you say the wrong thing, you're excommunicated, and that's just not how human beings work.
Speaker 5:Nobody is perfect, but ultimately, what we have to do here is figure out how to bring people back in and work towards the bigger goal of advancing the future of this country and helping young people especially get by, so that they're able to focus on their lives and, you know, getting with a young woman or something like that instead of how are they going to pay their rent, for example, or how are they working their two jobs, young people should be able to focus on what young people should be focused on, which is how to get laid and how to go and have fun all right jacob, All right Jacob Any thoughts no Go ahead.
Speaker 1:What's the most shocking aspect of that video?
Speaker 3:Well, the thing before the line at the end. All he's really saying is we, as democrats, need to be better at lying, because we've been too honest and people don't like it that analysis is true.
Speaker 1:But let me rephrase the question what part of the his statement is the most corruption, the greatest like? Just takeaway of like what?
Speaker 3:Well, at the end, of course, you know, young people should just be focused on getting laid and having fun.
Speaker 1:Correct, actually that's number two, okay, and number one is everybody clapped oh, yeah, sure, that's the most shocking thing Like can you, okay, can you? I've never as a pastor or leader if I said, yeah, young people in this church need to be able to concentrate on what's really important, not two jobs, not working, not being responsible, but the woman that they can get laid.
Speaker 3:Well, obviously that wouldn't fly if it was a pastor saying that.
Speaker 1:Well, but Grant, I hear that. Well, but grant, I hear that, but I would be arrested, ostracized.
Speaker 3:I mean, oh you, would be labeled as, like a yeah like a pervert well, that's also because you're saying you're a pastor. I think that would be part of it yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1:What you're saying is not wrong. I I'm just Because these are worldly people.
Speaker 3:So these are the. You know, bill Maher is a completely worldly dude. He doesn't believe in God at all. That means the entire crowd is total, you know? Oh, I agree Because there's no way. There's like, well, there could be people who say they're Christians in the crowd clapping. But no, this is Bill Maher is a very secular show.
Speaker 1:Oh, correct, you're taking this, that statement, far deeper than I actually meant. I just meant they'd come in and prosecute me, take me down, put me in jail, you'd be evil.
Speaker 3:You're very, very evil yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean granted under freedom of speech, a pastor has the right to say that, as he does, to say that, but which one is actually hauled off and prosecuted? It's a superficial question. I'm just meaning literally king, county prosecutors, and it would just go ballistic, correct, if that's all I'm really saying. If that kind of statement was made, or if I even got close to that, they'd have made hay of that like evil, vile, wicked. But if a democrat says that on national tv as a political platform and his ideology of life, everybody claps.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everybody, yeah, applauds it. You were right in everything you said. And standing Bill Maher stands for him too.
Speaker 1:And he calls him the next president, or president for him. Yeah, next president.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we should vote for this guy.
Speaker 1:That was my point. It was just like wow, this is just so far out there, all right. Here's the problem. He's right that this is how Democrats think. He's not right in what he says, because life is not made up of figuring out who you can go have sex with. That's, that's not what life is about. Life is about working. Life is about providing. Life is about taking on responsibility. Life is about being an independent person, not dependent upon the state, nor the state coming in and crushing the independence of an individual. Am I not correct? You are correct. So he flipped this whole thing around, saying the only thing that I should ever, or they should ever, have to worry about is getting late. Isn't that what he said?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And you've got people clapping and voting for this. You can't reason with people like this, because there's only one thing that matters whatever their flesh can get. Yes, he's also, and let's go back and play, because it kind of got lost in our discussion here. Notice the first part that he. What he's really worried about, or bothered or agitated, is that they were being judged by other people being looked on down. What he's really worried about, or bothered or agitated, is that they were being judged by other people being looked on down. What he's really saying is we want to go around and sleep, be in all this sensuality, whoever we want to sleep with, whether it's a woman, whatever is going on. I mean 13-year-old, you can decide whatever to do, right. We want to have all this sensuality going on and nobody at the same time condemning us or looking down on us because of that. That's what he's saying, correct? Um, you play it before you open your mouth. Okay, go ahead and play it right now.
Speaker 5:What I think happened last election is younger men. They would rather vote for somebody who feels, who, even if they don't completely agree with they, don't feel judged by then somebody who they do agree with that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around constantly because they're going to be judged or ostracized or excommunicated. And what's interesting about this moment is it feels like the two parties in some senses have flipped. Okay, stop, see what.
Speaker 3:I'm saying yeah, yeah. So yes, he's literally saying that people don't want to be judged.
Speaker 1:Correct, yeah, Then we can tell the state of Washington, their passing laws, that we we have to actually applaud the sexual morality, the gay and lesbian stuff or the trans stuff. They're not content with us just to remain silent. You have to affirm that's what you want or you're denied all kinds of things. Correct, Correct. If not, it's getting there very, very fast. Technically it is. If you send your kid to public school, you have to affirm those things.
Speaker 3:Try wearing a t-shirt that says there are only two genders and see what happens. Yeah, yeah, so he doesn't want to feel judged. That's what he's saying every yeah, he's agreeing, but yeah, that that other people don't want to be judged. Well, because and he's even referencing these, these people that didn't vote for the democrats because the democrats were judging them, because, yes, yes, the Democrat is judging. If you don't go along with our trans, weird, nasty agenda, we will judge you.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's an interesting take. See, now, I was thinking he was talking about the Republicans.
Speaker 3:No, because he even says in there that the Republican Party used to be the party that did all the judging. No, no, okay, that's my point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So that's my point. He is saying the Republican Party did all the judging and he's saying that switched. I get that, yeah. But what I'm honing in on is that the reason why he is so opposed to the Republicans? He's not talking about policy here. He's talking about looking down on being judged right, yes, okay. Play it Right, yes, ok. Play it again up to that point. So make sure that that's a very important point that we're going to look at here in just a moment no-transcript.
Speaker 5:And since many Democrats, despite us.
Speaker 1:So the first party he's talking about, the Republicans are this, but now it's turned into the Democrats. That are this correct?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's talking about the group of people. He's talking about the group why Donald Trump won the group of people. He's talking about the group why Donald Trump won the group of people that didn't vote for Kamala, who they thought were going to vote for Kamala, but they voted for Trump because the Kamala liberal Democrats are judging them.
Speaker 1:You're going deep today. This is a very simple question and I'm not going to. All I'm saying is that he's stating that the Republicans were the judgmental looking down on that. As long as Republicans were around before this election, everybody had to walk on eggshells because they were being judged. Yes, he said that. Ok, isn't that the main up to that point? Is that the main thing? He's saying yes, all right, go ahead and play this next scripture, because what we're going to see here is that this is the nature of sensuality, this is the nature of the trans stuff that the angels of the Lord come to Sodom and they're upset that they're being judged. So it's part of that. I'm just showing how bad that it's going to get. Go ahead and play judges, um, or I mean genesis, chapter 10, verse 5, there, jacob genesis, chapter 19, verses 5 through 11.
Speaker 4:they called to lot where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said no, my friends, don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you and you can do what you like with them, but don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof. Get out of our way. They replied and they said this fellow came here as an alien and now he wants to play the judge. We'll treat you worse than them. They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door, but the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness, so that they could not find the door. Genesis 19, 5-11.
Speaker 1:When you look at the state of Washington, aren't they becoming the officials, more and more blind to any type of solution? It's because God is judging Washington state and it's only going to get worse. Now what I want us to read go ahead and read Genesis 19, 9, jacob, and look at why they're surrounding the house and what they. Of course they want to have sex with the men and that kind of thing, but what's? There's a driving force beyond just sensuality, like hey, there's some new people in town we want to have sex with. What are they wanting to force upon these new men? And go ahead and read it.
Speaker 3:Get out of our way. They replied and they said this fellow came here as an alien and now he wants to play. The judge will treat you worse than them. They kept bringing pressure on lot and move forward to break down the door so they're wanting to come in, have sex force their way upon them.
Speaker 1:This is the nature of what the church better be preparing for. We are literally being surrounded, coming in more and more, and you're talking brute beasts. They're not going to think, they're not going to accept anything. You follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't want to be judged. It's not just sex, I mean, they want to rape these dudes, correct.
Speaker 1:Correct.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. That's even different. You know what I mean. Yes, oh no, you're correct.
Speaker 1:It's. I mean, they just power play.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're just, we're going to rape you.
Speaker 1:Ooh. So what do you see in the state of Washington, this power play? You know, the Supreme court is committing a right rape all the time, Removing I mean, if you've got a judge, you can go oh, we just throw out freedom of religion and in the process of doing that, you're only creating a prosecution, persecution, a hostility toward doing then because it's a Christian kind of thing. You're looking at the same dark mentality here of where sensuality replaces any type of reasoning, and then what is left is this viciousness that says we don't even want to be judged for our sensuality and if we think you're judging us, we're going to power you over. With, however, means we can do that we're going to treat you bad, Treat you worse too. Correct?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't have time to look at today, but clearly a lot was affected by living in Sodom and Gomorrah and that's part of the problem. The prayer would be the church in Washington State would wake up. But they're not. They're slowly being pulled in by being in Sodom and it's very easy to be overcome by that stuff, even if you think you're not Just the quietness, and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:So watch out after Trump's reforms and his power play goes away, because I guarantee you they will not give it up a second time and there will be a surrendering that comes in. Anything else, Jacob, you want to say Take us out of here?
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