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The Consider Podcast Hosts Timothy & Jacob Episode 91

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Timothy and Jacob examine how America's justice system has embraced vengeance over rehabilitation, and the way societal foundations are crumbling across multiple institutions.

• Two women quarreling on a flight reveals media bias and lack of personal responsibility
• Seattle's Sound Transit project is $5 billion over budget with completion date moved from 2035 to 2046
• Historical comparison shows Golden Gate Bridge finished one day late and 0.2% over budget, while Hoover Dam completed two years early
• MRI accident involving a man wearing a 20-pound weight training chain demonstrates the importance of individual accountability
• Prison "justice" videos gaining popularity online celebrate violence against inmates in direct contradiction to biblical teachings
• A father displaying Christian forgiveness by forgiving his child's killer demonstrates true spiritual strength
• Discussion of Megyn Kelly's advocacy for the death penalty shows how even public figures fail to recognize their own spiritual condition

"Vengeance is mine, says the Lord... Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Romans 12:19-21

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Speaker 2:

Two women quarreling on the plane, man to blame Seattle transit fiasco, the Golden Gate Bridge and the Hoover Dam Social Services. Keeping Families Together Act kills children, mri chain death and personal responsibility Death for some inmates.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

Welcome to the Consider podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly and madness. More information can be found at wwwconsiderinfo Now. Here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob. Dot info Now. Here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob.

Speaker 4:

Jacob, would you agree that any day that we're not flying in an airplane going somewhere is a good day? It's always a good day if you're not flying that whole audio video, whatever people are listening to.

Speaker 5:

That was a quarrel that had broke out among a couple of women on a plane flight. It looked maddening. I'm sorry, what it looked maddening.

Speaker 4:

It was. It was, you know. It's a brawl that broke out between two women that were arguing and talking very loudly on the plane, and then they turned the lights out and the women still kept arguing. Then somebody said that they needed to quit their arguing and then the whole fight broke out. Let me quote from the New York Post statement. It says they were chatting too loudly while the lights were turned off. Ah, guess where it really goes south. I mean, you've got this whole article. You'll be able to pull it up and look at it. You've got this fight going on, these two women quarreling and it really sounded like a lot of other women quarreling and people trying to get them to stop right. But guess who's to blame? Guess who gets the dig. In the article I mean I that you know they're obviously pointing out the women doing the arguing and the quarreling and all that stuff. But then there's this, there's this little line and this little quote within the new york post. Guess who gets the ultimate dig?

Speaker 5:

I'm guessing the man who was trying to break it up.

Speaker 4:

You win the prize let me read it to you quote. They, the women, were chatting too loudly. First of all, it wasn't chatting, they were arguing. So you're downplaying what they're doing. Oh, they're chatting. And so the mean old man's gonna come along and say hey, you know, can you knock off the chatting?

Speaker 4:

that's the way this reads the women were chatting too loudly, I don't know what. Okay, while the lights were turned off and the man in front asked them to be silent because he wanted to sleep. Then here's the dig. Let's go for the man. His tone was quite aggressive. His tone, he has a tone, his tone, he has a tone, a tone. First of all, flying is a total mess. They do everything backwards. How could you fix the whole flight experience, jake? What would be just a quick way to kind of fix all of this?

Speaker 5:

Well, some of it. You can't. They shouldn't allow people to walk on with pajamas and dogs.

Speaker 4:

Hire Disneyland, hire Disneyland, hire Disneyland. They deal with large crowds all the time, don't they? Yes?

Speaker 5:

they do. Yes, they do deal with lots of large crowds.

Speaker 4:

Lots of large crowds, lots of money, lots of food and all kinds of stuff. You would think there would just be boxing matches going on out there. So clearly the airline's doing something wrong. Just be boxing matches going on out there? So clearly the airline's doing something wrong. So I suggest they hire Disneyland, because Disneyland can show them how to move a lot of people that are in line waiting to do things in order to keep them happy all the way through, whereas the airlines do everything backwards. Yes, of course they do. You know, wouldn't you feel a lot better if the TSA agent was dressed as Snoopy or Mickey Mouse while checking your luggage and stuff?

Speaker 5:

Well, it would be some comical relief. But the. Tsa. I don't think I would enjoy it. I would be like get that goofy costume off and just get me through the line.

Speaker 4:

Well see, I'd enjoy the. I'm not really suggesting this, obviously, but you get the point, I get the point. They serve alcohol, which dehydrates you. The air dehydrates you. You pack people in. You invade their privacy. Flights are missed. Everything about flying is designed to create quarrels and fighting and arguments. Is that simple?

Speaker 5:

Yes, this is true.

Speaker 4:

Well, of course it's all man's fault because he used a tone.

Speaker 5:

Yeah. He was quite aggressive yeah.

Speaker 4:

Trying to talk over two women quarreling or loudly chatting. You're going to have to use a tone. Anyway, I just thought, okay, this is just flat out nuts. It reminded me of Proverbs 26, 17. I'm going to let you read that, jacob, because the man did make a mistake, but it's not in being a man and it's not in using the tone. His mistake was Proverbs 26, 17.

Speaker 5:

All right, proverbs 26, 17. Like one who seizes a dog by the ears, is a passerby who meddles in a quarrel not his own?

Speaker 4:

can you say better to just grab a dog by the ears and start telling it to be quiet, or do whatever and see what happens?

Speaker 5:

the guy though. Poor this flight attendant. You know it's kind of his job.

Speaker 4:

He has to go like break up this fight, right oh for sure, the flight attendant sure yeah, but, yeah, but I'm talking about the man sitting in front of them wanting to get some sleep.

Speaker 5:

oh yes, I, yes, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:

So he's turning to them going, hey can you guys knock it off and you'd have to use a tone to even tell them to do that.

Speaker 4:

So no, it's not the flight attendant. He's just sitting there wanting to sleep. Now here's what everybody needs to do when you're ready to fly is you look yourself in the mirror and you go. I give up all my rights, I give up all my comfort. I will just endure everything, no matter what they do. I'm not going to try and make a point. I'm not going to argue. I'm going to let other people do the thing. They can be in their pajamas, they can walk in their bare feet, they can smoke, do whatever it is they're allowed to do. I am not going to say anything. You have to at least start with that. Yeah, they need to have volume dispensers. You know what I'm talking about? The medication that makes you more mellow, yes, yeah, okay, there at the airport, everybody's allowed a pill. Give me a couple of those.

Speaker 5:

Whenever you're checking in boop and you check your ticket, here's your pill.

Speaker 4:

As soon as you check on, here's your pill. Relax a little bit. Now. I'd be all for taking all the women and putting them in their own special section in the back of the plane.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, there you go. Separate section.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I'd go for that. All righty, let us press on. Play this next one. She did a great job. Oh, by the way, I'm complimenting a woman. Let's just make note of that little fact here. So this is an anti-woman, it's just. Women are a mess, men are a mess, but women have taken the high road of just quarreling and arguing and being self-centered, which you would find. You know, we've talked about this before in the past. They've abandoned the home. It's all about them. So what do we expect? You know, their quarrel is the quarrel everybody needs to listen to, and they don. So what do we expect? You know? Their quarrel is the quarrel everybody needs to listen to. They don't care about anybody else. It's just how it is and it's only getting worse. Anything you want to add to that before we go to this next section? No, this woman actually did an excellent job, got some wisdom.

Speaker 8:

Let's play it and let's take a look at it, jacob. Why is Seattle spending $148 billion and cutting down 14,000 trees under the guise of green transportation? That is Sound Transit, the Seattle area's mass transit system. And to fund their ongoing light rail fiasco, they committed car registration fraud.

Speaker 8:

Politicians wanted to alleviate traffic and improve access from the city to the suburbs, so between 1996 and 2016, voters approved a series of light rail projects connecting downtown to Linwood, south King County, west Seattle, ballard and Bellevue, and only people in the counties where the light rail operated would pay for it. Unfortunately for them, government funded means it's over budget and behind schedule. First the Linwood line was $500 million over budget and six months behind schedule, and then the predicted costs doubled and the seven miles from downtown to Bellevue jumped $225 million by 2018,. Sound Transit was $1 billion over budget in only one year, and as the cost of the light rail ballooned, so did the need for money. So the county's increased car registration fees from $30 a year to an added $80 for every $10,000 in estimated value, but Sound Transit used an outdated depreciation schedule to overvalue everyone's car. As retribution, voters passed a bill that would cap car tabs at $30 a year, but Sound Transit estimated this would cost them $7 billion, but luckily, government knows best.

Speaker 8:

The Washington State Transit Association, king County and City of Seattle filed a lawsuit saying the ballot initiative violated the single-subject rule and was therefore unconstitutional, and the state Supreme Court agreed calling it misleading. In the meantime, sound Transit cut down 5,300 Douglas fir trees, many of which were planted during the Eisenhower administration, and then, a year later, cut down 8,600 trees, with millions in timber becoming property of the contractors. Very green. And then things went from bad to worse. This fine from downtown to Bellevue still isn't done, despite them hitting the budget limit. The West Seattle line is now triple the initial cost and Sound Transit actually told people going $5 billion over budget is not catastrophic. The audacity considering a project meant to be done in 2035 is now 2046. It's awful for taxpayers, but great news for Dow Constantine, the newly elected Sound Transit CEO, whose base salary starts at $450,000 a year and he previously appointed more than half of the board who voted for him. So the real question will people ever be able to smoke meth on the light rail from Ballard to Bellevue?

Speaker 5:

any quick thoughts, jacob uh, no, very well done video. The numbers are staggering and, uh, it's shocking and not shocking at the same time the.

Speaker 4:

The most laughable line, I think, through the whole thing is that the Washington State Supreme Court stated that the petition, or whatever, was misleading.

Speaker 5:

Yes, oh.

Speaker 4:

I know Like the Washington Supreme Court is always misleading.

Speaker 5:

Yes, everything they do.

Speaker 4:

We could just take and go down the line with the legal system they have corrupted. They have misled in everything line with the legal system they have corrupted. They have misled in everything. The people who do dogs in court told the Supreme Court oh well, the defense can use the dogs in court if they want it to. And the Supreme Court goes oh yeah. Yeah, that sounds right, let's go ahead and manipulate the jury this way, because we'll put a dog there and, of course, no defendants are going to use the dog in court. It doesn't make any sense. So, anyway, if there's one thing about the Washington Supreme Court, they are misleading in everything that they do. Wow.

Speaker 4:

From attacking grandmothers who do flowers and so on. That's wild, totally wild. Jacob, yeah, are you interested in buying the Golden Gate Bridge?

Speaker 5:

Do I? No, I don't think I want to go I, I?

Speaker 4:

No, I don't think I want to go. I'm selling stock.

Speaker 5:

I don't think I want to go to California.

Speaker 4:

Oh, you don't have to, it's just an investment, oh an investment.

Speaker 5:

I'll send you all the paperwork. Oh well.

Speaker 9:

I mean, what's the buy-in? How much?

Speaker 4:

money you got. You got $100? $100, yes, dollars. I'll say I'll sell you the golden gate bridge, oh really, yeah. Well, okay, let me do the disclaimer for king county prosecutors.

Speaker 5:

That's a joke, I am.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah, you're not misleading I know, king county prosecutors, how you like to twist everything that I say and make it. I am not literally selling the Golden Gate Bridge. Let me repeat it very clearly, because I know King County Park users. They have a hearing problem. They just really can't hear the truth. So I really need to make this clear. I am not selling any stock, any aspect, anything. I'm just trying to transition from this to talk about the Golden Gate Bridge and thought it might be a little bit more on the interesting side. Yes, got it All right. So did I get that disclaimer down? Yes, all right, golden Gate Bridge, quite the project. I mean, I don't know if you know much about it. I know a little bit, but not much. But it was quite the undertaking, wasn't it?

Speaker 5:

Yes, I know that it's a feat of engineering.

Speaker 4:

Take a guess Was it completed on time and on budget? Because that's a big project. That's like this project here, only you know it's a 1933, so different type of construction workers, whatever. What do you think? Was it completed on time?

Speaker 5:

I'm going to go and say, yeah, I think it was like they completed it on time and the budget was so close. We're not talking Seattle Transit, Sound Transit, $5 billion over. I'm going to say that.

Speaker 4:

Well, you're safe saying that on anything.

Speaker 5:

Well, I know.

Speaker 4:

I know what you're saying. It's like yeah, it's $5 billion. Okay, transit makes any project look good Go ahead.

Speaker 5:

Well, I'm just going to say they finished on time and they were like maybe a little over budget.

Speaker 4:

So you know actually more than I do.

Speaker 5:

No, not really, you were homeschooled a little bit right, A tiny bit.

Speaker 4:

Now this must be the part that's coming out, maybe. Sorry, I had to get my little dig in there. All right, it was not. It was not completed on time.

Speaker 5:

Oh, it wasn't, Okay.

Speaker 4:

It was not Mm-hmm, it was scheduled for traffic, I think, like May 28, 1937. It was one day late. Oh well then, that sounds pretty good to me.

Speaker 5:

We could round down, we'll give them a grace day.

Speaker 4:

Oh, I think it's miraculous really. These guys do a construction on this huge project under those conditions in 1933, and it comes in on budget too, of course, now, when I say that it was also over budget by half a million dollars.

Speaker 5:

Oh, okay Again, we'll give them a pass on that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, we're not talking the billions and eventually we'll hit trillions and the sound present it's not even looking like it will be completed. It's going to all be in sections and messed up. Yeah, but they got it done. And the reason why it was one day late they were doing a safety inspection.

Speaker 5:

Oh, there you go.

Speaker 4:

They wanted why it was one day late. They were doing a safety inspection. Oh, there you go. They wanted to make sure it was safe before they opened. Amazing, you ever heard of the hoover dam? Yes, I have, you have. What do you think? Was it completed on time?

Speaker 5:

with no cost overruns, okay. So I'm gonna flip on this one, just because I don't know. Uh, hoover, I'm going to say that the Hoover Dam was. I'll just yeah, I'm going to say both. I'm going to give it both a win. They got it done on time and on budget.

Speaker 4:

You're actually half wrong. Okay, sort of Okay, it wasn't on budget. Are you ready? Write this down, because you're going to want to take note of just how incompetent the government was back then. It had an overrun cost.

Speaker 5:

We're talking the Hoover Dam, all this cement and structure and going on right Years, years it took them to build $110,000 over cost. Well, that's not too bad.

Speaker 4:

That's like nothing. That's like nothing.

Speaker 5:

Well, back then, technically, I wonder if people whined like, oh my goodness, the government's wasting our money. If they whined back then, or if it was not a big deal, because even $110,000 back then would have been a lot of money.

Speaker 4:

Well, I'm guessing here a little bit. A lot of these projects had to do with the Depression era and it was designed to give people jobs.

Speaker 5:

So they appreciated the job correct, so nobody's going to be whining.

Speaker 4:

They were like, hey, that's cool, that's okay correct, and and when they did the dam they didn't have to do all the environmental protection agency junk that slows everything down. You didn't have all these bureaucracies going in. You didn't have a hundred different people with their hand in the pie maybe you had or two, but you didn't have hundreds of sub-burotic type stuff with their hands going on. So it was only 0.2% above the original bid.

Speaker 5:

Oh, that's nothing. That's nothing, not even significant. Oh no, yeah, that's not significant at all.

Speaker 4:

Now we do have to admit that it was not completed on time.

Speaker 5:

Ah, okay, how late.

Speaker 4:

Well, I hate to say this. Okay, are you going to force me to say it?

Speaker 5:

Yes.

Speaker 4:

It was completed ahead of schedule.

Speaker 5:

Okay, really.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, over two years early.

Speaker 5:

Really, I didn't know that Two years, that is fast, two years early.

Speaker 4:

Can you imagine? Well, part of what we're looking at here and I'm talking about is where your state's foundations are crumbling. They're gone, yeah, inslee and Ferguson and the Democrats have just they're thoroughly destroyed, and you can take everything we're talking about and just apply it to the legal system. But look at the transit, just look at the amount of incompetence, corruption lies and then they just keep taxing on top of it to justify their expense.

Speaker 4:

And then you got the worst Supreme Court committing you know right rape and coming in and going. Oh, the people don't know what they're voting for. It's misleading. Therefore, we throw it out. How come that always just applies to everything the state wants, by the way? Because it's corrupt.

Speaker 4:

I mean the only time the Washington Supreme Court. Oh, it's misleading. You know how I can solve that problem. I can solve that problem today, where you go through this whole thing. People sign the petition the amount of work involved by the average citizen, I mean. While I don't like signing those petitions either, I appreciate the people that are doing the work, because that's a lot of labor and a lot of time to go out to get people to sign up for these things. So you go through this, this whole rigmarole. You got to get the money and I'm sure you know, you got to know there's hundreds of laws associated with that, correct? You can't just go here's a clipboard and do this, right, yeah, and I bet there's fees involved. Somebody that does this, you know, write me and let me know all the things you have to do. Okay, so how could we solve this problem? We go through this whole procedure. The election goes through, then we have the lawsuits, which wastes money, which is in the state of Oregon. Then it goes to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, nah, nah, misleading.

Speaker 4:

Oh, what was it you wanted Inslee? What was it you wanted Ferguson? Oh, yeah, yeah, that, that, that, yeah, you can have what you want. People are stupid. They don't know what they're talking about. They were clueless about paying license tabs for the car. People just can't figure it out. Yeah, all right. How can we solve this problem instantly?

Speaker 5:

Throw some people in jail.

Speaker 4:

Well, that would be satisfying, but it wouldn't solve the problem.

Speaker 5:

It would put the fear in some of the judges.

Speaker 4:

Nah, they hide up there in their black. We are. So I can't even think of the word. We're not even noticed by them. They don't even think of the word. We're not even noticed by them. They don't even care. The Malcolm Frazier trial there are so many ways they could have come in to fix this thing. Not only are they not interested, they just don't care. It's just a thing to them. They don't matter. The way you solve this problem is that you put together the petition that you're going to have signed. You submit it to the court before you go get the signatures. The court has two weeks. Yeah, they're going to have to work for a living. They got two weeks to look at it and they sign off on it or they say no, it's not right. Then you go gather the signatures.

Speaker 5:

Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. You make the court approve. Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. You make the court approve, but the thing is, I think you have to have the signatures before they even look at it.

Speaker 4:

I think that's the loophole they get people in oh, but you're saying how to fix it.

Speaker 5:

You just change the rule, you change the law. But the CARTABS, all these initiatives that they put forward, the crazy part is the government already looks at it. They have to. The government looks at it before it goes on the ballot and somebody in some government office already signed off on it. So they're just oh, lots of people.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, a bunch of people have to review the wording before it goes on the ballot that's right. You have the Supreme Court. Where does the Supreme Court goes? Yeah, this is good or not? Then it satisfies them when we don't have to go through all the lawsuits.

Speaker 5:

Oh, I see the Supreme Court has to approve it. Okay, I'd go for that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely Like when they turned this down and said it was misleading. Do you think they typed it out like? This is how it should have been read. No, well, what kind of corruption is this? Where you go, it's like telling a kid, go do chores right. And then he goes and does chores. You go well, I didn't mean those chores, yeah. Or you didn't do this chores right, or I didn't mean to do it right then. But you never tell the kid what he's supposed to do or how the chores are supposed to come out. It is just a license for corruption, for everybody to put their finger in the pie when it would be easily solved. And again, I'm talking the spring court gets two weeks to decide or it's automatically approved. I'm not playing this six months game. Yeah, they can all sit down and do their little read together, have a little book club and go okay, what are the petitions for this year? And actually do some work. Of course, I'd be turning off their air conditioning during the summer, but that's just kind of where I'm at. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4:

So what's the point of all this stuff? The point is the foundations within Washington State are being completely corrupted, completely gone, crumbling and gone, which reminds me too of the church in Washington State. Let's go to Luke, chapter 14, 27. Luke 14, 27 says Jesus said anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. We taught that King County prosecutors prosecuted us for that. Verse 28,. Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying this fellow began to build and was not able to finish. So it's no wonder the Washington Supreme Court has held up for ridicule and Governor Inslee and only fools are voting for these people. I mean, why would you continue to vote for these people or to give your support to King County prosecutors who have no concept, no concern for evidence or doing anything except winning, who are willing to call the press to tell what the defense is about, ready to do? I mean, I could go on and on. In fact I have gone on and on. You can go listen to all the other podcasts on there. So the foundations are totally being destroyed. It's no wonder they get ridiculed for it. So let me encourage the church to wake up. They are coming for you. I know you think Sound Doctrine Church was a cult or cult-like, or you know this over here.

Speaker 4:

This is how these courts do. They go for the elements where people go. Okay, that's kind of messy. I don't want to go for it. You need to start looking at what they did, how they did it and how it's going to go, because they will turn. They will turn.

Speaker 4:

These prosecutors don't have enough people to prosecute. Clearly, they have way too much time on their hands or they wouldn't have gone for us. It's really that simple. So don't even buy this. We need more prosecutors. We need more money. They always need more money. They always need more power. They always need more corruption. Just think they're lying at every level. They're destroying everyone. All right, any comments on that, jacob? No, all right, bring up this next one. This is the website link.

Speaker 4:

Social Services of Washington State is having some problems. They have an act that they had put together called Keeping Families Together Act. Sounds noble, doesn't itacob? Yes, it is. It's too bad that social service will not figure out that they are the problem. So they have this program called keeping families together, act and guess what? The death rate, child mortality, has increased in washington state. More children are dying under this new program than all the other past programs that they had. Wow, let me read a little bit. It says Director Patrick Dowd revealed that 45 children died or nearly died between April and June of 2025, just two fewer than the already alarming 47 cases reported in the first quarter.

Speaker 4:

What I'm bringing this up is to show if the foundation is bad and you begin to build on it, all that's going to happen is more and more corruption. In other words, social service can't produce putting families together. It's an antithesis of what they do and have done for decades. I've watched them literally destroy the families and the household. Their real motto is destroying families, one child at a time. Besides, let me ask you a fundamental question, jacob who helped and they're blaming this a lot on fentanyl? Among the most harrying cases were six incidents in which children age zero to three accidentally ingested fentanyl. Among the most harrying cases were six incidents in which children age 0 to 3 accidentally ingested fentanyl. Well, who helped open up the border to bring fentanyl into Washington State?

Speaker 5:

Oh, who opened up the border. All these liberal people, all these people in Washington State want the immigrants. They want it to be a sanctuary city. Anybody can come in.

Speaker 4:

Correct Ferguson, when he was attorney general, was constantly suing Trump for trying to keep the border secure.

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

He is directly I say directly responsible for the fentanyl that has flooded into the state. So do we really think he knows how to organize anything that's going to come out positive? No, he's responsible for these children that are dying. Never mind the base corruption. That is social service in itself. That is social service in itself. I've said this before Social services is an illegal organization because they have declared themselves independent from the Constitution of the United States.

Speaker 4:

You can't declare yourself independent from the Constitution of the United States and then claim you're operating in the government of the United States. Now they'll go on to say, well, it's civil matter, not criminal. Well, last I read the Constitution of the United States. Now they'll go on to say, well, it's civil matter, not criminal. Well, last I read, the Constitution of the United States had to do with civil matters. You can't just go divide all this stuff up. In fact, the whole basis is illegal of all. Get out. So there's no fixing it, there's no reforming it. In fact, there's too many lawyers getting money from social services. They get their money from falsely accusing people and coming in saying, oh, we're going to fix the problem, when they are the problem. It's just like King County. They keep saying, oh, crime's up and things are bad. Well, you're the source of the problem, At least one major source of that problem. I've said a lot Anything on all that, Jacob. No, I've said a lot Anything on all that, Jacob no. Ferguson, actually, when he's Attorney General, filed 97 lawsuits against Trump.

Speaker 5:

How many do you think he filed against Biden? Maybe like one Fewer?

Speaker 4:

than five.

Speaker 5:

Fewer than five.

Speaker 4:

So you have Trump trying to secure the border. He sues, creates all kinds of havoc with other kinds of lawsuits. In fact, a good I think 50 of them are just still kind of hanging out there. Um, he won a few of them, that kind of routine which, with today's court system, that's not very surprising at all. That you you win on something that's a lie. That's usually how it goes. So the border is being trying to be secured by Trump. He interferes with that in every way possible. Biden comes in. Who's flooding the border? Who's not securing it? Who's allowing fentanyl to come in like crazy all over the place, child trafficking, everything else and there's less than five lawsuits.

Speaker 4:

Like I said, ferguson really needs to be tried for using the Attorney General's office as an office for the Democratic Party. It's total corruption of what the purpose is. There's other angles too, but I won't go into that today. All right, mr Jacob, anything else on that? No, as Scripture says, when the foundations are being destroyed, what can the righteous do? Let's look at that on our way to the next topic. That would be Psalms 11, verse 3. Psalms 11, verse 3. And I'll let you read that, jacob.

Speaker 5:

When the foundations are being destroyed? What can the righteous do?

Speaker 4:

What can they do, Jacob?

Speaker 5:

Get on your knees.

Speaker 4:

That's about it and be ran out of town. Let's say the venal call run you out of town, lie about everything you do and certainly bring in all those people who started to build but didn't finish building their Christian walk and let them whine and make that somehow a criminal aspect. Please, judge Laurie K Smith, I appreciate you letting me know if you're going to wipe away my freedom of speech. If you could just send me a letter and say by the way, when you show up in court again we're just going to say, oh, you never had this right. Remember, judge Laurie K Smith took away our right to practice religion. So all this time we were under this delusion as a church in Seattle I mean in the city of Enum called that we had freedom of religion. Little did we know. No, we didn't have freedom of religion. She just gets to wipe that out and say, oh well, that just doesn't apply. So we're operating under a false pretense that we can actually practice our religion. It would have been nice if they told us ahead of time oh, you can't practice your religion, as I guess I was kind of told when Detective McCall said we just showed up in town because you don't have the freedom of association. You can't even just show up and leave. So if you're going to just take away these things, please just write me a letter and then I can decide whether I want to break your rule and call it corruption for what it is, or remain silent. Because what can the righteous do when the foundations are freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, freedom of logic, freedom of reason, freedom to debate, to think, to all, do all of those things? If you're going to take those away, judge Lori K Smith and Beth Andrus, please just drop me a kind letter. Warn me ahead of time, then I'll know exactly what direction I need to take.

Speaker 4:

All right, jacob, this next one's a little on the. I want to try and be sensitive, but I'm trying to bring up a very important point. Display that graphic there for a moment, jacob, because we're going to talk about personal responsibility so much. There's a lot of court cases we can't get into them today where people will join a certain club or a certain church. It's the same thing that happened to us they joined, but then they don't like the fact that they joined.

Speaker 4:

So the state and the prosecutors are coming in and prosecuting these churches and organizations because people were unhappy that they joined. In fact there's one case we won't go into it today but a very large church, very serious church, righteous church type thing and some people wound up not liking the fact that they joined. So the government is prosecuting them under child exploitation laws. I know it sounds convoluted, because it is convoluted. They were just practicing and part of the accusation was that the church was telling people that they needed to stick to the doctrines the church taught. Remember we went through the same thing. How important was it, prosecutor simmons said, for you to uphold and live the beliefs and tenets of the church? Every church says that.

Speaker 5:

Every church, yes, has like a statement of faith in what they believe, and this is what we do Every church.

Speaker 4:

So, people, if you and anybody who joined Sound Doctrine Church was fully aware, fully aware of what they were belonging to. I had a checklist, we had discussions, it was called fellowship. Nobody can claim any ignorance like well, I didn't know I was going to be doing this Nonsense, anyway. So kind of the question is and I'm going to compare it to a secular thing in a moment is when does personal responsibility override all of these excuses that, well, the church made me do it, or the organization did it, or this, and we're going to look at a medical thing here in a moment.

Speaker 4:

There's medical people made it happen and so I'm not responsible, as if there are just total victims in it. We see this a lot in these abuse claims from large abuse things that go on, and you've got these pictures of these girls all smiling and happy and what they're doing and this is from playboy bunnies all the way down and then they're whining later on oh, I was manipulated and all this went on. Okay, I'm not telling you. There aren't people that don't manipulate whatever salesmen manipulate, government manipulates the warships, supreme court manipulates it. But where, at what point, have we passed to say, look, you're responsible for your actions to some degree yeah, all right, play this with.

Speaker 4:

What happened here is a woman was getting an m done and they're a magnetic kind of machine. So the husband comes into the MRI room, she's through with her MRI and he has on a chain and the chain is magnetic so it's pulled into the MRI machine and then he's pulled in and he eventually has some heart attacks and dies Very graphic. That's why I'm trying to be sensitive about it. I'm trying to and I'm not saying there isn't responsibility on the part of the hospital, but that's not where I start. Jacob, go ahead and play this little news MRI chain type thing and let's listen in.

Speaker 11:

A man in Long Island, new York, has died after an accident involving an MRI machine. The 61-year-old was sucked into the machine last week at Nassau Open MRI after he entered the room while wearing a large metal chain. He suffered several heart attacks and died a day later. The man was trying to help his wife up after she received a scan and she described the horrific scene to local news.

Speaker 1:

I just can't believe I just I still can't wrap my head around the whole thing.

Speaker 11:

You know, katie, this is. You know it's very rare, but obviously a man has lost his life. Mris are very, they can be very dangerous. They have these large magnetic fields. The question I have is why was the man who had not been prescreened for this MRI, how did he get so close to that machine?

Speaker 10:

It seems like there is going to be a lot of liability for the company. They haven't commented on this. I think their attorneys are probably cautioning them against doing media interviews, but this poor woman went in for a pretty standard medical assessment and came out with a result that left her husband dead. So that's absolutely horrific and I'm sure there's more information to come about this story.

Speaker 4:

Good Jacob, Any quick thoughts.

Speaker 5:

Yeah, the same question that they phrased was the first one in my brain, which is yeah, why was he back there in that room? Every time I've had an MRI, they usher you in and they usher you out.

Speaker 4:

I agree, but we have to look at both sides of this to get an honest picture of what's going on. Is it possible that each side was responsible 50-50? Yes, in which case it kind of negates stuff. Is it possible that each side was?

Speaker 5:

responsible 50-50?.

Speaker 4:

Yes, in which case it kind of negates stuff. I mean, it certainly mitigates the hospital. Let me tell you where I'm coming from and people do not confuse I'm not. This is not gospel. This is discussion about personal responsibility, about each of us in the Lord taking responsibility for what we do. I don't get up in the morning and go the world out. There is 50% responsible for the bad that happens to me. I don't get up and go. They're 10% responsible. I get up and go. I'm responsible for my actions today and I need to be aware, I need to be thinking, because I will have to give an account to God for either being a fool or being responsible. Now, does that say bad things don't happen under my control? Absolutely. City of Enumclaw was a prime example of that. So notice the way the news article frames this. She says in the beginning that he was wearing a large chain. So they're shaping opinion here. Jacob, how large do you think this chain is?

Speaker 4:

Well, African-American people, or do you know?

Speaker 5:

Well, I don't know, but African-American people wear a lot of jewelry, a lot of change. They can be very large.

Speaker 4:

Did he not know that was an MRI area, probably.

Speaker 5:

Yes.

Speaker 4:

Did he not know that his wife had to remove everything magnetically? Yes, did he not know it was a high zone for all kinds of very technical, very powerful hospital equipment? Yes, they both did. Yeah, all right, jacob. The weight of the chain, the large chain that this newscaster stated, it was 20 pounds.

Speaker 5:

That's, if that is true, that is a ginormous chain, which, oh, okay, so this, yeah, this changes everything, though, because when you picture a chain yes, because, like, if it's a, if the chain literally weighed less than a pound, it it wouldn't have happened, even if the chain, like you know, had magnetically got stuck and you go, oh, and then the assistant person would you oh, oh, here, let me help you. Okay, yeah, you better stay away from this, and but a 20 pound chain.

Speaker 4:

The dude chose to wear a 20 pound chain that morning correct and he, he wears it pretty consistently because what it is, it's a weight training chain. Oh, it's, that's that's if I wore one around the house. I'd be getting exercise oh, whoa so there's a couple elements here. Going on, a regular large chain would have probably snapped. He might have got hurt, but he wouldn't have been I. I would be highly suspicious if he had been pulled into the MRI machine.

Speaker 5:

Correct, oh yeah, no, there's no way.

Speaker 4:

Correct? No way. So you have a 20-pound. I'm letting that sink in because she's doing a disservice. They're framing this and we saw that with the news that happened with us. They're framing this in a way that isn't according to the facts Correct and it automatically assumes the hospital is guilty when nobody's actually researched.

Speaker 4:

The one lady goes oh, it's the hospital that's responsible. No doubt their lawyers are telling them to be quiet. So who does the blame and who does the news immediately put all the pressure on? Oh, the person that went into the MRI is not responsible. The guy wearing the 20 pound chain? It has no responsibility whatsoever. It's totally the fault of the responsible. The guy wearing the 20-pound chain? It has no responsibility whatsoever. It's totally the fault of the hospital. It's not that easy. Yeah, let me ask you a question, jacob. Which would be easier to sneak into or walk into an MRI with a couple gold chains that you know they're heavy duty, but they're not 20 pound, we're talking jewelry at that point or a 20 pound chain, which would be easier to move into an MRI area?

Speaker 5:

Clearly the light average wearing neck jewelry chain.

Speaker 4:

And why would you say that?

Speaker 5:

Because it's like factual. If the guy has a weight training chain, he has to work harder the entire time he's moving anywhere.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, well, he's probably in pretty good shape. Here's what I'm after it's out of your. If you were the nurse or the doctor working the MRI, it's almost inconceivable in your mind that anybody's walking into an MRI with a 20-pound exercise chain around their neck. Okay, we should. You're not looking for it. Now I'm getting into some psychological stuff, but you're not seeing it because you're not expecting it.

Speaker 5:

No one's expecting anyone to go out in public inside a building. It's one thing if the dude is walking down the street with a 20-pound weight training chain, but who in their mind even walks into Walmart? Who, in their mind, even walks into Walmart? Why are you?

Speaker 4:

walking around in any building with a 20-pound chain and I believe he's probably wearing it underneath a jacket. It's not like he's wearing a jewelry that you can see it. What I'm really kind of getting at here is how our mind would play tricks on it. It would be normal for a doctor or a nurse not to see it, even if you had a few chinks of it outlying the shirt or whatever. Right Correct, You're not psychologically going to see a 20-pound chink because you're not looking for it Because it's not normal.

Speaker 5:

Again, that's my point. This is not normal for anyone to walk into any public building MRI, walmart, it doesn't matter where with a 20-pound weight drain. People don't do that.

Speaker 4:

This is kind of morbid to do. But, columbine, when the kids went in with guns, they're walking in with guns. They're walking with bags that have guns. But your mind is not going. Oh well, these guys are walking in with guns because that's not what you're normally looking for. I guarantee you could pull in some spy people type thing. You can sometimes sneak in the most obvious of things because people just don't see it. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4:

My point is in Scripture we're all going to have to give an account to God for our actions. It's not to say that people don't do bad things to us. But look, if you join your church, you join your church. If you join a club, you join a club. If you join the army, you join the army and go down the line. That's just who you are. You are responsible for making your own decisions about what you're doing.

Speaker 4:

Short of actual fraud, which I think a lot of the government agencies are in that territory short of actual deliberate fraud all of these court cases it's getting dangerous out there. The foundations are being destroyed. Don't think for a moment because you're a Baptist and you believe in these traditional doctrines. You saw this a little bit with the gay thing they were coming after. You know Baptists and people that were anti-gay right, and it's just kind of held back a little bit. We are hopping to skip from. I mean, it got right on the edge of being accused of hate crimes and things like that. Make sense. Make sense.

Speaker 4:

One of the reasons they were able to go after the church in Enumclaw was because none of the rest of the churches liked us rebuking their doctrines and nobody wanted to support us. It was very normal. Read your Old Testament. It goes on and on and on. Jeremiah had nobody supporting him. Most of the time people were certainly outcasts, all right. So we got it clear here. This isn't just a simple case. Don't listen to the news. You know. This guy's just totally innocent. Now look, I feel for her and her tears and her weeping and that's what the lawsuit would play to. Yes, it's shocking, it's terrible, but you know what. We all do stupid things and it doesn't do society any good to say you know what you did is stupid. You know you can't go take selfies as close to the cliff as you can. We should be ridiculing the situation that took place so other people can take warning. It would save lives. I mean now we're going to have to sign when we go into all the other signs in Menard saying don't wear 20-pound chains.

Speaker 5:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

And then what happens? We get more and more warnings, more and more signs, and then what do you do? You tune them all out. You literally tune them all out. Anything else, jacob? No, all right, then let me finish with 1 Peter, 4, 5, so that people don't think I'm just making this up.

Speaker 4:

It says but they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead, and there are plenty of scriptures about talking about. Don't become a fool and destroy yourself before the time. Don't become even over wise and destroy yourself. Don't have time to cover all that, but you will have to give an account to God of why you walked into a situation, whether it be an MRI or whatever and we're wearing this chain. God's not going to go. Oh well, they let you through.

Speaker 4:

Look, the world is not our babysitter. I don't want them as my babysitter. Please, judge Lori K Smith, I don't need your babysitting. I don't need to be told what is freedom of speech and how I can or cannot defend myself. Please, judge Lori K Smith, I do not want you as my babysitter. I'm not going to pay you per hour. Stay away from me, get out of my life and leave me alone to practice the freedoms guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights, and as a human being. You know a white male preaching the gospel. Human being, you know a white male preaching the gospel.

Speaker 4:

Okay, jacob, we're going to look at this next section here, and it's the attitude within the prosecutors and judges and police is one of just oppression, just of self-righteous judgment, no desire for truth, no accountability. The only time a policeman gets accountable is when they embarrass the system, so on and so forth. So what we're seeing here is judges are committing murder and this is how they're doing it. They are taking someone that did a horrendous crime, sending them to a prison where they know they're going to be killed. Jacob, if I knew there was a couple thugs in a particular house and I said, jacob, you go into that house and I know they're going to kill you or beat you up or just whatever, who then becomes an accomplice or really, in my mind, a full-fledged murderer?

Speaker 5:

The guy, whoever set you up. If I sent a dude in the house and I knew he's going to die, I'm responsible.

Speaker 4:

Play this next judge. And this is not an isolated event. This is going on more and more.

Speaker 6:

After this man was convicted of murdering his four-year-old son, the judge happily let him know that his days in prison are very much numbered.

Speaker 12:

You're going max. You know that days in prison are very much numbered. You're going, you're going max. You know that, right, we're going to classify you max, all right, and you're going to go there and everyone's going to know Baby killer, good luck with that.

Speaker 4:

That is so lawless. That judge should be fired. He actually should be in prison serving a little bit of time for placing someone in a position, an abuse of power, knowing they're going to be killed. Now what's happening is in the future there's going to be a couple prophets, that prophesy to the whole world and eventually the world is going to kill them and then celebrate that killing. So what you're seeing here is a setup mentally, where people at large don't even think this is strange. This judge is allowed to do this to say, oh, good luck with being in there as a baby killer, you're probably going to be killed, but that's just the way it goes.

Speaker 4:

Again, I'm repeating it over and over again these judges, the bailiffsiffs, the prisoner in guard, the warden, they're all responsible now for murder. Look, if we're going to send these people to prison, if that's what we've chosen to do legally, then the legal system is responsible for their well-being. And then, on top of that, we've let that corruption go on way too long. And then, on top of that, if we've let that corruption go on way too long, and then, on top of that, if they intentionally send them to a prison, intentionally put them in a max prison, knowing great harm and possible death will come to them. They will be held accountable to God for murder, make no mistake about it.

Speaker 4:

Plus, the hypocrisy is amazing. Does he not serve a government system that kills babies in the womb? Yes, I mean, he is part of mass murder and then he's acting all superior. You'd think there'd be some humility, like he may be pro-life I don't know, but you'd come with this like with some humility. You certainly don't believe he can be forgiven, you don't believe that God can interact and you don't believe that God can work good and you think you're better than he is. There's an astounding set of wrong mental, sinful thinking that's going on. This is prosecution for revenge's sake, not prosecution for justice or for truth, certainly not for redemption, and we see this being played out more and more. The next sets that we're going to kind of play here. I'm shocked that YouTube and these other places allow these things to be done because it's advocating violence. Play Ultimate Prison Justice Jacob. This guy is very, very popular.

Speaker 7:

Well, I told you guys that prison justice works. One of the most disgusting things I've ever read Two Arkansas men admitted to a six-year-old girl after she was taken to the hospital and they found out that she had contracted HIV and gonorrhea. This dude was her mom's drug dealer and this mother sold her six-year-old girl to him. Both men pled guilty and were sentenced to life in prison. Yeah, but life didn't last so long in there, did it, you f***ing punk? They just found his bitch-ass beaten and stabbed to death. His body was found unresponsive I hope it was slow and painful and so far the prison hasn't been able to determine who killed him. Good, now, if you out there watching this, you some diaper bandit ass peepee touching my f***er. I want you to remember this, because what you're facing if you hurt a kid isn't just prison, it's hundreds of dudes just like me.

Speaker 4:

Jacob. He is very, very popular on YouTube. Elon Musk likes him. He literally what's amazing to me he was a prisoner himself. He needs to repent If he thinks he's better than those people. He is flat out delusional.

Speaker 4:

In God's sight, he is just as, if not more, worthless simply because he is exacting revenge and vengeance beyond the law. Look, if we want to put these people to death and institute the death penalty. But you don't play these games. You don't allow this kind of hatred, self-righteousness to go in and destroy people's lives.

Speaker 4:

Romans 12, 19 says do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written it is mine to avenge God's wrath, for it is written it is mine to avenge. I will repay, says the Lord. I mean, how much clearer can God be? That judge is in total sin. He's in total sin. He's still in prison. That's the bottom line.

Speaker 4:

He has a self-righteous attitude that when you go to prison, the bottom rung of the people are the child molesters, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished. Or you know what I'm for the death penalty, just not under the current molesters, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished. Or you know what I'm for the death penalty. Just not under the current legal system. It has to be cleaned up first.

Speaker 4:

So when Prosecutor Simmons and King County prosecutors, without going for evidence, being hostile to evidence, send the person to prison labeled with that, they are responsible not on just one level, but multiple. But if anything negative happens, they will be judged and God will bring about revenge, at least for those who are seeking him. Go ahead and play Killed Cellmate. The next one, jacob. Same thing, same attitude this is increasing is why I'm bringing this up, this attitude of, well, let's just kill them or allow prisoners to kill them this man killed his cellmate after discovering what he was in for and made it clear that he has no regrets the reason I killed him was because he was a child.

Speaker 12:

You didn't kill him. Oh sure you intended to. Oh sure, yes, he was my bunkie and I had found out that he was in prison for child molestation Really bad case. That night he was trying to justify why he did it and I just told him to be quiet and he would have to leave in the morning to find a new cell. But he continued to talk about it and try to justify it. So he was a little bit bigger to me.

Speaker 4:

Does that really need an?

Speaker 5:

explanation, jacob, of just how that man needs to repent.

Speaker 4:

It seems pretty obvious, although a lot, see, a lot of people would like agree with him oh, it's increasing, you know, and these people that are going out and thinking somebody molested somebody, you better hope you never get it wrong, because people do lie and slander does go out there. We know all too well the hate crime that was against us, that was the full intention, was to bring the maximum amount of harm they could possibly get by with. And king, county prosecutors, they were all for this, I heard. For him because you, he's a murderer now and he's delusional about how God is going to view this. Oh, I just sent him there earlier. It's not for him to take revenge, it's not for him to take the law into his own hands, and this should not be glorified or held up at all. But it is. That's kind of what's going on. Go ahead and play another one called Body Lake it is that?

Speaker 7:

that's kind of what's going on. Go ahead and play. Another one called body lake body found wrapped in chains in kentucky lake, id. 24 years later as a wanted hard artist. So in 1999, they found the remains of this disgusting specimen, wrapped in chains, with a hydraulic lift as an anchor at the bottom of a lake, but they couldn't actually figure out a way to exhume it out of the lake until 2016. And that cause of death is absolutely natural causes for somebody with those types of charges, just so that we're all on the same page. And it took the police from 2016 to five days ago to be able to identify who those remains belonged to. Once they did identify him, they realized that he was a wanted fugitive. He had been on the run for all these years in a case involving hard-R-ing a minor. I guess that means that that case is concluded and everybody got a happy ending.

Speaker 4:

Vengeance is mine, says the Lord. In fact, if your enemy is hungry, feed him, he says in Romans 12.20. In fact, if your enemy is hungry, feed him, he says in Romans 12.20. Romans 12.21 says do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Speaker 4:

As the legal system becomes more and more overcome by evil, the result is destruction of the land, Never mind. It's the legal system that has unloaded on this country the pornography and all the things that entice people to sensuality that causes them to do this. I mean, fine, if you're going to go and kill the guy that killed and did very, very vile things, then why not go for the politicians? Why not go for the government agencies? Why not go for all the other people, the politicians and everyone that is just allowing? What about the public school system? That is turning it into some type of sex camp, and now we have a bunch of women that are teachers that can't escape that trap. There's no thought here of like. Well, how can we fix this so it doesn't happen? Let me repeat that there is no thought being talked about or given of like. How can we stop this from happening?

Speaker 4:

There's a sad case. You know the guy that we just saw there, jacob, somebody wrote into him and it was the impression I got was a young kid and he goes. Man, I'm attracted to younger kids. Right, he hadn't done anything. He, he goes. What can I do? How can I get out of this, was his question. The clip's gone. I got a feeling he removed it and I wish I had saved it. His response was well, here's what you do. And he drags it out so that it's melodramatic. You go out into the woods, you see, and you find a nice lovely spot and you know the leaves are there and the grass is green it can be kind of a fall particular time and there's wood on the ground and there's a wood chipper there that allows you to put the wood in and produces the chips and all that. So here's what you do you get in the wood chipper and turn it on.

Speaker 5:

That's what the inmate guy was saying to do.

Speaker 4:

That's what the inmate guy was saying. No thought of like. Well, how can I prevent this? This guy's looking to me for help. Clearly he's feeling the guilt and the shame. His solution is because you have the thought you need to be put through a wood chipper. Never mind society as a whole, just the fact that he's talking about it and there's movies about it and there's books about it, and it's just flooding our whole society with sexuality-type things that our minds just get stirred up and stirred up with these thoughts. Let me explain and stop right here. Turn to God, repent, give him everything, count the cost, and the Holy Spirit will take hold of your mind and those thoughts will disappear. If you suffer against sin, jumping into a wood chipper is not going to fix anything. Then you're going to be accountable for self-murder. Let me give an example of something of quality Jacob Play. The Christian forgives.

Speaker 1:

He's an animal.

Speaker 4:

I wish for him to have a long suffering, cruel death.

Speaker 10:

He's going to go to hell, and that's where he belongs.

Speaker 12:

But then the emotionless facade finally cracked when the father of one of his victims appeared to surprise him with a dose of human kindness, mr Ridgway there are people here that hate you.

Speaker 10:

I'm not one of them. You've made it difficult to live up to what I believe and that is what God says to do, and that's to forgive. You are forgiven, sir.

Speaker 4:

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. That is a thing of beauty. Tough. Nobody said this is easy. I know, as I even talk about this or discuss it. None of it comes out easily. Nor do I like talking about it and would. I find these things to be very difficult to live. Whether I would or not is not even the point. It is a difficult thing to follow Jesus Christ. It is a suffering thing to forgive those who did you wrong. It takes an act of grace and of mercy and, knowing God has all things in control, he will judge at the proper time. We don't know that that man that was accused or convicted of the crime won't become a true disciple of Jesus Christ. We don't know that, but the world offers none of that. Only a very select few true Christians do. Any comments on that, jacob? Nope, let's play one more, and then we probably ought to get out of here. Let's play Megyn Kelly's thing on the death sentence.

Speaker 9:

I know I'm Catholic. I don't think I'm supposed to be in favor of the death penalty. I don't care, I am, I am. I am in favor of the death penalty, and it's exactly for people like this. He's a failed experiment of a human being. You know there's something about he's not human, he's the devil's advocate. There's something evil about him, and evil must be extinguished, not allowed to wither on the vine, not put behind bars where it can still have a voice or get interviewed by press or by college professors. Evil should be extinguished, and that's what should happen to Brian Kohlberger and unfortunately, because of a cowardly prosecutor, now it won't.

Speaker 5:

Any quick thoughts on that. Jacob, no other than, yeah, she's all upset about him murdering someone, but then she's advocating that he should die. It's like yeah.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I can't pronounce the name. I want to say Coburnite or whatever his name was.

Speaker 5:

I think they say Coburger.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, coburger. Um, most people don't know the reason that the prosecutor and why she's calling him a coward is because one of the reasons, or probably the major reason, that he worked a plea bargain is because he's never won a prosecution that involved the death penalty. He's always lost them. If I were the family I'd be. That would make me madder on top of mad. One thing if you come to me and go look, I've never won these cases. They're very hard to do. Let's work out a plea bargain, let's all be in agreement. But because of his own pride and his own ego which aka he's a prosecutor, but his own pride and ego he just went behind their backs without telling them and offered him the plea deal. I can understand why they're upset.

Speaker 4:

Megyn Kelly says I kind of laughed at the beginning yeah, I'm Catholic, but I don't know whether I'm supposed to be for the death penalty or not. Megyn Kelly needs to just become a disciple of Jesus. I'll state that flat in front and then we'll move forward. But what Megyn Kelly doesn't realize and we never seem to accept this fact is Romans 3, verse 12. If we accepted this as fact and I don't mean an intellectual fact, I mean deep in the heart and in the soul. Just it's not even preached in the church, except just whitewashing it. But read Romans 3, 12, jacob.

Speaker 5:

All have turned away. They have together become worthless. There is no one who does good, not even one.

Speaker 4:

Okay, megyn Kelly, let's read this Romans 3.12. Megyn Kelly has turned away. Megyn Kelly has, together with everybody else, become worthless, worthless. There is no Megyn Kelly, there is no one who does good, not even one. Megyn Kelly, you need to realize the second death is hell and that's what Jesus came to rescue us from. You are just as worthless, if not more, than the guy that you're saying is worthless and evil and needs to be extinguished. You're going to be judged for that comment.

Speaker 4:

Now look, I'm all for the death penalty, and I'm repeating myself again I'm all for it, but not under the current legal system of the United States. That's an absolute joke. There's way too much corruption going on. It takes way too long for it to even be effective and do any good. But that's not the point here. The point here, megyn Kelly, is you need to become a disciple of Jesus, actually following the Word of God, and forget the Catholic Church and whatever it believes. That's not going to save you. That's just one dogma, one idea of things. We're talking about a real relationship with the living God, but all of these people have one thing in common they think they are better than the person that they're bad-mouthing, shaming and wishing harm Any comments. Jacob, nope, take us out of here.

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