The Consider Podcast
The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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Clip: Wa. State Petition Scam
The Hoover Dam stands as a remarkable example of government efficiency, completing a massive infrastructure project two years ahead of schedule with only a 0.2% cost overrun of $110,000. This Depression-era success story contrasts sharply with today's government projects that suffer from bureaucratic bloat, endless delays, and massive budget overruns.
• Hoover Dam was completed two years ahead of schedule despite its massive scale
• Construction benefited from motivated Depression-era workforce grateful for employment
• Modern projects face bureaucratic roadblocks from numerous agencies and regulations
• Today's initiative process allows courts to invalidate citizen-led measures after election
• Proposed solution: require courts to pre-approve initiative language before signature gathering
• Pre-approval process would prevent wasted effort and increase accountability
• Contrast between historic efficiency and modern inefficiency reveals systemic problems
• Reform needed to restore government effectiveness and responsiveness to citizens
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Hoover Dam.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have.
Speaker 1:You have. What do you think? Was it completed on time with no cost overruns?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm going to flip on this one just because I don't know. I'm going to say that the Hoover Dam was. I'll just yeah. I'm going to say both. I'm going to give both a win. They got it done on time and on budget.
Speaker 1:You're actually half wrong. Okay, sort of Okay, it wasn't on budget. Are you ready? Write this down, because you're going to want to take note of just how incompetent the government was back then. It had an overrun cost.
Speaker 2:We're talking the Hoover Dam, all this cement and structure and going on right Years, years it took them to build $110,000 over cost. Well, that's not too bad.
Speaker 1:That's like nothing. That's like nothing.
Speaker 2:Well, back then, technically, I wonder if people whined like, oh my goodness, the government's wasting our money. If they whined back then, or if it was not a big deal, Because even $110,000 back then would have been a lot of money.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm guessing here a little bit. A lot of these projects had to do with the Depression era and it was designed to give people jobs.
Speaker 2:so they appreciated the jobs Correct, so nobody's going to be whining. They were like, hey, that's cool, that's okay.
Speaker 1:Correct, and when they did the dam they didn't have to do all the environmental protection agency junk that slows everything down. You didn't have all these bureaucracies going in. You didn't have 100 different people with their hand in the pie. Maybe you had one or two, but you didn't have hundreds of sub-bureaucratic type stuff with their hands going on.
Speaker 2:So it was only 0.2% above the original bid. Oh, that's nothing, that's not even significant. Oh, no, yeah, that's not significant at all.
Speaker 1:Now, we do have to admit that it was not completed on time.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay, how late.
Speaker 1:Well, I hate to say this. Okay, are you going to force me to say it?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It was completed ahead of schedule. Okay really yeah Over two years early.
Speaker 2:Really, I didn't know that Two years, that is fast, two years early.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine? Well, part of what we're looking at here and I'm talking about is Warrior. Your state's foundations are crumbling, they're gone Inslee and Ferguson and the Democrats have just. They're thoroughly destroyed and you can take everything I'm talking about and just apply it to the legal system. But look at the transit, just look at the amount of incompetence, corruption lies and then they just keep taxing on top of it to justify their expense.
Speaker 1:And then you got the worst Supreme Court committing you know right rape and coming in and going. Oh, the people don't know what they're voting for. It's misleading there. Before we throw it out, how come that always just applies to everything the state wants, by the way Correct, because it's corrupt.
Speaker 1:I mean the only time. The worst Supreme Court. Oh, it was misleading. You know how I can solve that problem. I can solve that problem today where you go through this whole thing. People sign the petition the amount of work involved by the average citizen, I mean. While I don't like signing those petitions either, I appreciate the people that are doing the work because that's a lot of labor and a lot of time to go out to get people to sign up for these things. So you go through this whole rigmarole. You got to get the money and I'm sure you got to know there's hundreds of laws associated with that, correct? You can't just go here's a clipboard and do this, right, yeah, and I bet there's fees involved. Somebody that does this, write me and let me know all the things you have to do. Okay, so how could we solve this problem? We go through this whole procedure. The election goes through, then we have the lawsuits which wastes money, which is in the state of Oregon. Then it goes to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says nah, nah, misleading.
Speaker 1:Oh, what was it? You wanted Inslee? What was it? You wanted Ferguson? Oh, yeah, yeah, you can have what you want. People are stupid. They don't know what they're talking about. They were clueless about paying license tabs for the car. People just can't figure it out. Yeah, all right, got a little long-winded there, All right.
Speaker 2:How can we solve this problem instantly?
Speaker 1:Throw some people in jail. Well, that would be satisfying, but it wouldn't solve the problem.
Speaker 1:It would put the fear in some of the judges. Nah, they hide up there in their black. We are so I can't even think of the word. We're not even noticed by them. They don't even care. The Malcolm Frazier trial there are so many ways they could have come in to fix this thing. Not only are they not interested, they just don't care, it's just a thing to them. They don't matter. The way you solve this problem is that you put together the petition that you're going to have signed. You submit it to the court before you go get the signatures. The court has two weeks. Yeah, they're going to have to work for a living. They got two weeks to look at it and they sign off on it or they say no, it's not right. Then you go gather the signatures.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. You make the court approve, but the thing is, I think you have to have the signatures before they even look at it. I think that's the loophole they get people in.
Speaker 1:Oh, but you're saying how to fix it. You just change the rule.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes, yes, yes, I agree, correct, they should say well but no, well, oh, not to get but the car tabs, all these initiatives that they put forward. The crazy part is the government already looks at it. They have to. The government looks at it before it goes on the ballot and somebody had already somebody in some government office, already signed off on it.
Speaker 1:So they're just, oh, lots of people, yeah a bunch of people have to review the wording before it goes on the ballot that's right. You have the supreme court where supreme could go. Yeah, this is good or not then? Then it satisfies them when we don't have to go oh, I see the supreme court has to approve it.
Speaker 2:okay, I'd, I'd go for that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Like when they turned this down and said it was misleading. Do you think they typed it out like? This is how it should have been read? No, well, what kind of corruption is this? Where you go, it's like telling a kid, go do chores right. And then he goes and does chores. You go well, I didn't mean those chores, yeah. And you go well, I didn't mean those chores. Or you didn't do this chores right, or I didn't mean to do it right then. But you never tell the kid what he's supposed to do or how the chores are supposed to come out.
Speaker 1:It is just a license for corruption, for everybody to put their finger in the pie when it would be easily solved. And again I'm talking the Supreme Court gets two weeks to decide or it's automatically approved. I'm not playing this six months game. Yeah, they can all sit down and do their little read together, have a little book club and go okay, what are the petitions for this year? And actually do some work. Of course, I'd be turning off their air conditioning during the summer, but that's just kind of where I'm at. Yeah, All right. So what's the point of all this stuff?