The Consider Podcast
The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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Hosts: Timothy and Jacob
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Prepare yourself for a humdinger of offense on The Consider Podcast as we discuss
- Toilet Time topics
- Human wisdom preaching of the gospel
- Charlie Kirk and the Muslims Praying
- Women calling their husbands master.
- Fox News host fired over asking women to coffee
- With a touch of King County Prosecutor
All of this and more in the year of our Lord 2025.
Have you ever wondered why certain biblical truths trigger such visceral reactions, even among professing Christians? In this provocative episode, we dive deep into the contrast between teaching the gospel with human wisdom versus proclaiming it with the unadulterated power of the Holy Spirit.
Our conversation begins by establishing a crucial distinction—some discussions are merely "toilet room issues" meant to be flushed away, while others belong in the "prayer room" where we must remain uncompromising. This framework helps us navigate the complex landscape of modern discourse, where opinions often masquerade as divine truth.
We examine Charlie Kirk's recent controversy over Muslim prayer gatherings in American cities, revealing how even well-intentioned cultural warriors often misidentify the root problem. Drawing from Deuteronomy 28 and 1 Peter 4:17, we explore the biblical pattern that judgment begins with God's people, not with outsiders. When a nation faces foreign influence, Scripture consistently points to the unfaithfulness of God's household as the primary cause.
The most challenging segment addresses 1 Peter 3:5-6, where wives are instructed to call their husbands "master" or "lord." This teaching proves so offensive to modern sensibilities that it triggered actual legal persecution against our ministry—a real-world demonstration of what happens when the gospel is preached without the buffer of human wisdom. We share personal stories of how this stance led to our church being driven out of town through coordinated efforts of prosecutors who couldn't tolerate biblical gender roles.
We close with a disturbing parallel—a Fox News contributor fired simply for asking a woman to coffee, illustrating how modern culture has weaponized interactions between men and women. This mirrors our experience with false accusations and targeted harassment against those who testified on our behalf.
The gospel's power lies precisely in those teachings that most challenge our cultural assumptions. Until we're willing to be crucified to human wisdom and embrace the offense of the cross, we'll continue preaching a powerless version of Christianity. Join us in rediscovering the transformative message that doesn't conform to culture but confronts it.
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Prepare yourself for a humdinger of offense on the Consider podcast as we discuss toilet time topics. Human wisdom, preaching of the gospel Charlie Kirk and the. Muslims praying, women calling their husbands master. Fox News host fired over asking women to coffee. All of this and more in the year of our Lord, 2025.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Consider podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly and madness. More information can be found at wwwconsiderinfo. Now here are your hosts, timothy and Jacob.
Speaker 4:How's it going, jacob, it's going good. And we got in a nice offensive show today, like over the top, not because I'm offended, but because everybody else will be easily offended, especially those who claim to be a Christian. You got a nice little doggy right. Yes, I do, and he's getting kind of older, right.
Speaker 5:Yes, he's getting pretty old.
Speaker 4:So you're making kind of end of life what I do getting ready for it, right, yep?
Speaker 5:Does he get cremated? Does he get special cremation?
Speaker 4:Well, I got a special for you. I just discovered today. Okay, you should consider this. Click on the link that says Bizarre Zoo asked people to donate their pets to feed two tigers.
Speaker 5:I have clicked on the link. Oh boy, what zoo.
Speaker 4:A Danish zoo put out a call for donations, and the donations they want are your old doggy.
Speaker 5:That sounds gross.
Speaker 4:Unwanted pets and animals, including chickens, rabbits and guinea pigs.
Speaker 5:Are they broke? Is that why they're doing this?
Speaker 4:Oh you know, there could be some wacko like let's recycle everything, or it could be they're going broke, or both. Yeah, because they're going that way, nothing goes to waste and we ensure natural behavior, nutrition and well-being of our predators.
Speaker 5:Horses They'll take a horse, they're saying. Horse owners can obtain a tax deduction.
Speaker 4:Yep, there you go. Just turn them in and feed the lions and tigers. I don't know if they'd feed them to bears or not.
Speaker 5:Yeah, this is. Zoos have a responsibility to imitate the natural food chain, which is hilarious because zoos are so unnatural, but then they want to have a natural food chain, which is hilarious because zoos are so unnatural.
Speaker 4:But then they want to have a natural food chain. Well, the other thing too is I don't know that every animal eats something that's already dead. I don't know.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, that's true. They would want to hunt it like lions and stuff.
Speaker 4:I think now the zoos could be used to it, and I don't want to drag this in too much, but, man, I wish this have been when I was raising my kids. I could have had such a good time with this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's time to take you know, whatever pattern and we need to get rid of convincing that I'm going to do a kind of routine.
Speaker 4:Yeah, all right, anything you want to talk about before we get going. No, all right. Well, let's talk about toilet talk for a moment. Play the next clip and then we'll expound on it a little bit in a large house, there is the flushable toilet room.
Speaker 1:also in a large, noble house, there is the noble prayer room. Never confuse the two rooms. Religious talk, political positions and opinions are discussed in the toilet room easily flushable Whereas the whole gospel of discipleship to Jesus is in the prayer room. The Consider podcast often discusses toilet room issues which serve a purpose to dispose of waste material. However, in the prayer room, the Consider podcast is uncompromising. Please discern the difference. 2 Timothy, 2.20. In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. The Consider Podcast. The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness wwwconsiderinfo.
Speaker 4:Jacob, you ever got so mad at me that we're discussing something that you run out of the room and discussed an anger.
Speaker 5:No, I don't think I've ever ran out of the room and discussed an anger.
Speaker 4:Would you say that we talk about a whole range and gamma of issues, topics, discussions, scripture, spirituality, you name it. We kind of run a whole gamut of various different ideas and concepts, correct?
Speaker 5:Yes, very wide, wide, sweeping.
Speaker 4:One reason, of course, is that over the years and this has taken some time to get there I can't say that if I was just baptized or you were just baptized and we just started our discipleship journey, that well I can say for sure, we wouldn't be able to have the discussions that we have now, because ego gets in the way, pride gets in the way, things that are really not that important become too important, right.
Speaker 5:Correct Opinions. A lot of people just get locked into their opinions and they'll never concede to anybody else what somebody else is saying.
Speaker 4:Bring up a good point because when it comes to discipleship and following Jesus and the scriptures being made alive, there is no in our own hearts and our lives. There's no compromise with that. We know those are solid. We know we can grow in wisdom and knowledge by the power of the Holy Spirit on those things. So we're in a position where iron sharpens iron. There may be sparks, there may be heat. Certainly, when we debate a lot of stuff, don't we kind of go at it?
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 4:And we survive, because why, jacob? I mean, I'm kind of repeating it, it's kind of obvious, but how can we possibly survive all those things?
Speaker 5:I think just even recently we were talking about. I mean, jesus calls us to be perfect. So you're going to have a lot of you're going to be wrong a lot of times as you strive and push to be perfect.
Speaker 4:Amen. And the other thing too is, even let's say that we do debate something, I get miffed, you get miffed, or whatever, since we're in a solid position of carrying our cross, hating our own life, despising our opinions and so on. Even if I get mad and fall into sin or I get irritated or whatever, when I repent it comes out for the good. So it always works toward the good. If and this is the big if that most people don't do they have to literally be walking the narrow road, having gone through a narrow gate and growing in obedience to the Lord. I mean, a lot of people claim the scripture about all things work for the good of those who love the Lord, but they don't love the Lord. There's no increase in obedience to Scripture, there's no growing in the sufferings of Jesus Christ or in the holiness of obedience. They just use the Scripture to really whitewash their sin, to lie to themselves and so on. The other reason, too, is we realize that as we discuss things and this can even be some Bible-like history who was this and what went on? Some things are noble, some things are toilet room stuff, and in the toilet room you flush what's not useful and the body comes out more healthy, correct, correct. Even scriptures that we might understand by our own human wisdom need to be flushed. I don't want to hound on this too much, but I'm cautioning people that on the Consider podcast we talk about a lot of things. The beginning podcast that we did on the Consider podcast had to do with the foundations of what scripture is. We've laid that foundation, so there's no need for me to keep repeating that foundation. Now we're taking and applying that solid foundation to the wood or to the stone, or we want to buy something that's a value, like gold or silver, and we take that foundation and apply it to those things and those things that are innoble, those things that are not useful. They get thrown aside, put in the trash or, as I put this down in the toilet room, they get flushed away. Right, yes, the key here is to grow enough that we can easily flush them.
Speaker 4:We have our discussions. We go at it with fire, we go at it with zeal. I mean, scripture says whatever you do, you do with all your heart, right, correct? So have you ever seen me debate something? Not of all my heart, so to speak? No, and we always. We come as, in fact, that's how a lot of times we can hear from the Lord what he's trying to say and communicate, because, okay, we go out here and we know God is listening. And then when we're as we're're talking, debating and jumping around and going from here to here, we're learning from each other. We're always keeping our ears and our face toward god and saying, okay, god, what is the truth? And since I know I don't have the complete truth, you know that fact, it drives us ever closer to hear from god and that's a real blessing and that's the real. That's where the blessing is hidden if we seek the living God.
Speaker 4:Otherwise, this just turns into a talk show or a simple podcast. Anything else on that? No, all right. Well, you know who Charlie Kirk is right, yes, it's hard not to know him. He's out there saying a lot of things and political stuff and so on and so forth. Well, he stirred up controversy. Go ahead and play this next clip and it sets what the discussion is going on.
Speaker 5:Okay, that is happening here in the.
Speaker 6:United States.
Speaker 4:I believe it was like Washington Square happening here in the United States. I believe it was like Washington Square. There's the link there for that, if anybody wants to go there and do an in-depth dive into the issue. What he's upset about, of course and I'm upset, but I'm not upset for the same reason he's upset is they're doing the Muslim chant in the United States. Where does it say Hosted public?
Speaker 4:prayer throughout New York City, so you'd be hearing this prayer and I believe they go on for like three times a day, but I'm not 100% sure on that kind of thing. What's your kind of initial gut reaction to that, Jacob?
Speaker 5:Well, his comment is not untrue.
Speaker 4:And that comment is for the sake of those that don't see it.
Speaker 5:He said import the third world, become the third world.
Speaker 4:That is indeed. In fact, it is concerning because of the application of Islam that we see in other parts of the world. You'd be right to be concerned, no doubt about that. I remember when I was in charge of running Wine Press Publishing before King County prosecutors decided that was worth destroying that. The only time I really got pushback because we printed all kinds of different topics was there was an author or two that wanted to write against the Muslim religion. Was there was an author or two that wanted to write against the Muslim religion. Well, I literally got calls and emails from some Muslim organization to intimidate me to try and keep from publishing that. So it is a real concern. Here's the problem. Who do you think Charlie Kirk is blaming? The article doesn't really go through and go like, yeah, the fault of this is because but how would you surmise that Charlie Kirk is going to state why this is happening, what the problem is and what the solutions might be?
Speaker 5:Well, I'm pretty sure he's usually slamming the Democratic liberals that want to. You know, immigrate. I think a lot of you know that. Want to, uh, you know, uh, immigrate. I think a lot of you know he's. He's mr, america first, so we should not be letting all these immigrants in.
Speaker 4:I think that's generally his stance that would be true, and it wouldn't probably be just democrats. He blames him, I guess, is he probably blames republicans, as we all know, it's kind of a uniparty corruption party that's going on. According to God, who should actually be blamed? And obviously I'm going to give a hint here, an answer that is really the answer. If you did just a casual reading of the Old Testament, I mean, just mean you just don't know much, but you just have flipped through the pages or you just kind of paid attention to other people's discussion. When a foreign nation invades a godly nation and I'm kind of putting this in Charlie Kirk's terms who's to blame?
Speaker 5:The people of the godly nation.
Speaker 4:That is correct, and we don't see anything within this where Charlie Kirk is saying the reason this is happening throughout New York City is because the church is falling under judgment.
Speaker 5:Correct.
Speaker 4:Play and it's just going to be a little bit of this clip because it's too long. Play the Deuteronomy 28. You'll see it's an MP3 file. What it does is it starts listing what God's going to do when a nation is disobedient. It's found for those who really want to dig into it or think I'm somehow, just, you know, on smoke. It's found in Deuteronomy 28.14. Go ahead, jacob.
Speaker 7:Deuteronomy 28.14. Go ahead, jacob, god, and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today. All these curses will come upon you and overtake you. You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed, the fruit of your womb will be cursed and the crops of your land and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
Speaker 7:The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him. The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you. From the land you are entering to possess, the Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder. It will come down from the skies until you are destroyed. The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth.
Speaker 4:Your carcasses will be food. Okay, jacob, we'll probably have to stop there. It goes on and on. You kind of get the idea right.
Speaker 5:I do get the idea.
Speaker 4:And it's very interesting in the first part of the passage. I know some people are going to say this is the Old Testament. But hey, people always say what they want to say to negate Scripture. Never mind, scripture says all Scripture is useful for training. Doesn't Jesus say in Matthew, chapter 28, that preachers and teachers and disciples and apostles are to teach the people to obey everything I have commanded?
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 4:It would seem to me this is as relevant as Matthew, chapter 28. And isn't our society being given over to disease? Inflammation? Isn't that one of the number one causes in our own land? Aren't we having difficult with rain? Isn't weather coming against us? You go on and on. Isn't a lot of this coming into focus? Or am I wrong on that, jacob?
Speaker 5:you are correct, it's getting bad out there all right.
Speaker 4:So mr kirk is saying anything, but the church needs to repent. Is he saying the reason we're seeing this muslim call to prayer is because we are not repenting before the living God? We need to fast and pray and we need to really get back to the Word of God. Is he saying there's any responsibility that Christians are causing this to happen?
Speaker 5:No, he says he'll talk about. You know people need to turn back to God, but he's referencing, you know, those pagan Christians not within the church, correct?
Speaker 4:Read 1 Peter 4, 17, jacob for us 1 Peter, 4.
Speaker 5:Verse 17. Verse 17. For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God. And if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
Speaker 4:It's amazing Where's our eyesight Like when we see bad things happening, pressure coming or the Muslim call to prayer, by the way, being what do they call them Islamic?
Speaker 5:I can't think of the words.
Speaker 4:Go ahead. What did you say?
Speaker 5:Oh no, yeah, you're saying Islamic. Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, the one of fear Islamophobia.
Speaker 4:I can't keep all their little things. Yeah, there's every reason to be because of the basic tenets and actions of the religion. It's not Christians out there with crusades chopping people's heads off. So, yeah, I would be concerned. But the concern, instead of focusing on that, what you find in the book of Queen Esther or Gideon or other stories is that the people of God are under oppression and it's because they have not repented before God.
Speaker 4:There's nothing about Charlie Kirk's message or life that is calling people to godly repentance by the power of the Holy Spirit. It's barely even calling for repentance among the church. I'll get to that here in just a moment. But where does judgment begin? Where should our eyesight first be? Looking at the family of God? That's right. Where should our eyesight first be looking at the family of God? That's right.
Speaker 4:Now you're beginning a little bit of a hint to know why I was run out of the city of Enumclaw. Because the church. The last thing they want to do is they're saved, they're okay. You know I'm the guilty one, so anybody suggesting otherwise just needs to be thrown out of town. Kind of thing. Correct, correct, all right. Well, let's go to 1 Corinthians 1.17, because it's going to get dicey here in just a minute. In this particular article that Charlie Kirk is going through or that talks about him, the discussion eventually gets around to a girl says I'm in college, what should be my career choice? And Charlie Kirk stated that a woman should only go to college to find a husband. True statement or false statement, jacob?
Speaker 5:That a woman should only go to college to find a husband. That would be a false statement.
Speaker 4:Okay, and why would would be a false statement?
Speaker 5:Okay, and why would that be a false statement? Because you're putting your life into your own hands. You have to seek the Lord on who you should marry.
Speaker 4:Wow you've been trained way too well. That is the correct answer and that's kind of where we're heading. What Charlie Kirk does is he presents the gospel with human wisdom. Now, it does receive opposition, but it's no different than if you were a Republican speaking in a Democratic conference. They're always in opposition to each other, correct? But that's not persecution, certainly not persecution because of holiness and righteousness and obedience. He well, let me read the scripture first. Before I get too far ahead. Let's go to first corinthians 1, 17 and 18.
Speaker 5:I'm going to have you read that, jacob for christ did not send me to baptize, but but to preach the gospel, not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power, for the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God.
Speaker 4:Okay, let's do some fine cutting here. Is it proper to baptize in Jesus Christ?
Speaker 5:It is?
Speaker 4:Jesus said in Matthew, chapter 28,. That's where the salvation experience is at to repent and be baptized, right? So if you're listening to what Paul is saying for Christ did not send me to baptize Well, wait a minute, paul Jesus said in Matthew 28, just before he's ascending into heaven, what are we supposed to do? Go make disciples, baptizing them, right? It looks like those contradictions. You know, if we were in King County Court and they were down to fine-tuning stuff, this is kind of where they would go in their nonsense. For Christ did not send me to baptize.
Speaker 4:Yet Scripture says we are to baptize, and what he's really pointing out here is the second part. But to preach the gospel? Well, everybody would agree we're supposed to preach the gospel, right? Wouldn't? Charlie Kirk would say, yeah, we're supposed to preach the gospel. Yes, all the Christians in the neighborhood, in the church and whatever. I could take a vote, I'm pretty much sure 100% of the people would say, yeah, we're supposed to preach the gospel.
Speaker 4:But what's not emphasized, what's not even mentioned, where people don't even understand it, where you just never, ever even hear it talked about, is the next part of it not with words of human wisdom. It's human wisdom for Charlie Kirk to say oh look, when you go to college you should be going to look for a husband, or it's human wisdom when he says you should be busy at home. What's happening is the offense of the cross. The power of the cross to actually transform somebody will not be presented because it would cost too much, and again I'm only talking about finding a husband, let alone talking about God's attitude toward money, and he's a very wealthy man. We could be talking about the offense associated with that. What Charlie Kirk has removed or never tasted or doesn't even understand, is the offense and the power of the cross. So what is presented is human wisdom. Jordan Peterson does the same thing.
Speaker 4:A lot of people talk about Jesus Christ. We'll even quote Scripture. We've all been guilty of it in our own flesh where we go out to preach. But it's framed by human wisdom, human logic. Our sermons are coming with human stories and human power and how we can put things together. There's not the understanding nor the experience of being really crucified by the offensive message of the cross, so that we are crucified to human wisdom when it comes to preaching the word. This is at the core of why we were ran out of the city of Enumclaw why King County prosecutors persecuted us with false, empty charges against a crime that was impossible. They were so incensed by the offense of what was preached that they were willing to do illegal things in order to destroy Correct Jacob.
Speaker 4:Correct, and I'll get into just one, just one example of that here in just a moment. But let me read this scripture again. For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel. Okay, it's how and by what power and what means that gospel is preached. You can do it under human wisdom. You can go to Bible college, you can open up income paper, you could just read scripture day by day, you could go through a daily Bible, you could be talking about these things. But there is no power with it because it's coming with human wisdom and I dare say most pastors, preachers. Certainly the average layman, the individual in the church, does not even understand this. If I said here, write a paper on preaching the gospel and then preaching the gospel with human wisdom and define for me what the difference is, you think they would be able to do it.
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 4:But what does human wisdom do? It says lease the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. You see, these pastors go to these colleges and they'll debate and they'll logically box people in. They have a lot of Bible knowledge and they'll debate and they'll logically box people in. They have a lot of Bible knowledge and they'll raise a question and then they'll show the person being cornered. Correct, correct, but it's not leading to the offense of the cross. It doesn't come with the power to offend where they want to pick up stones and throw them at you. Look, you can debate with somebody about the Bible suppose they're a pagan over here and you debate with them in human wisdom and you corner them and then it just stops. It just stops. They don't want to pick up rocks to stone you.
Speaker 4:Now again, I'm not saying you can't go downtown Seattle and have a little prayer meeting and all the gays come out to beat you up. We're fast approaching that time period, but that's not the same thing as presenting it with the power of God. The example in Seattle, for example. While I kind of support what they did, their idea was well, we just came in to have a prayer meeting and provide for food and health care. It was all this mushy kind of stuff. That's a lot of human wisdom. You're trying to look good, you're trying to look noble, you're trying to heal, but the healing doesn't come with well.
Speaker 4:I say passing out free books like even demons believe, or saying like gays are also evil and need to repent like all the rest of us. There's no power by the Holy Ghost that is penetrating deep within the sinful heart of a gay or just a Baptist that's lukewarm or whatever, causing them to have this reaction like we are going to destroy you. One comes with. Human wisdom certainly has opposition, but that's not the same as godly persecution. Did I explain that well or did I need to go back over that a little bit, jacob? No, you explained it All right. It says least the cross of Christ be empty of its power. So Carly Kirk can talk about the cross, he can talk about Jesus, he can talk about all these things. He can complain and whine about the Muslims doings, doing their prayer thing, but it's all just human wisdom. Debating who does this and who does that and why women should go to college and what should be done there is not just really honing in on the whole situation by the power of god, so that everybody's heart is either the few that repent or the others are just massively angry. You just don't see that, okay. So let's talk about, let's play charlie wife the mp4 and let's dive into what caused king county prosecutors just to lose their cheerios.
Speaker 4:Let us consider 1 Peter, chapter 3, verse 3. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair, the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Speaker 3:For review purposes only the Consider Podcast wwwconsiderinfo. And do not give way to fear. For review purposes only the Consider podcast wwwconsiderinfo, doesn't she look so beautiful.
Speaker 2:everybody I love laying in like all over the place. It's because we understand our biblical roles in our marriage. He is the head of the household and I am not a servant. I am not a slave to the master. I am his helpmate. I am the guardian of the home that is my domain.
Speaker 4:All right, you saw how she was dressed, I didn't do the whole thing. She comes walking out, he parades her around. She got him fine clothes, she's got him fine jewelry. She's strutting around the stage, right. He doesn't say, hey look, doesn't she look great, meaning her inner beauty. Is that what he means?
Speaker 4:no no, first peter, three, five or six, for this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in god used to make themselves beautiful. All right, this is the makeup. Let's see what God says, what Peter the apostle states, being inspired by God. What beauty is to the Lord? They were submissive to their own husbands, to their own husbands. Was there anything about that where she's talking about her submission and her obedience and her quietness to her husband? No, not even close. So we have Charlie Kirk over here, all upset about Muslim women and doing the prayer, and yet if you look at the Muslim women and you can go to YouTube they talk about with joy submitting to their husbands. Now, I'm not advocating anybody become Muslim, but the point is, who's putting who to shame here? If I compare Muslim women to Charlie Kirk's wife, who actually looks like it's conforming to Scripture.
Speaker 5:The Muslims are way more submissive.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Now most people don't know that when King County prosecutors decided to illegally shut us down and I'm emphasizing illegally, because it certainly crossed every line, easily provable I could prosecute it. Any fourth grade level prosecutor could prosecute it. What happened behind the scenes? It never made it into the courtroom, but I know that it all went on that sermon tapes and oh and there, man, there were so many people there, they were offended by the offense of the cross and so it went deep, deep. It hit into the heart, it hit into the soul. If this was just a normal church debate, like okay, women need to submit to their husband, and this was normal, like I don't know us against their church, and it was on that normal human effort level, there'd only been opposition, but not persecution. You get my drift. But because it came by the power of God, they bumped up against something that they themselves couldn't understand even at the time. I don't even know what they understand now, and certainly since Satan controls the governing authorities, he was able to easily influence. What I'm after is behind the scenes there was a whole group of people that we could never confront our accusers. You know that old scripture about you're supposed to confront your accusers? Right, you remember that? Yep, I mean, I know that, without even looking at the law. Well, they were all worked up. They knew oh, I'd stolen wine press. They knew this and this and this.
Speaker 4:One of the things that they, of course, put out there was the second part of first peter. Three, five, four, six. Let me read it for you. They were submissive to their own husbands, like sarah. So this goes clear back to the old testament. You can't whine and say, well, that was old testament times. It doesn't apply today when peter himself is referring to sarah of the old testament, who obeyed abraham. Okay, we can get up to people. At least I don't know. Do the women, even today, accept the concept they're supposed to obey their husbands? No, now, now, finding one is what I'm reading here. You're not going to find it, not in today. The, the women, the young ladies, have not even been remotely raised nor shown by example how to obey or that you should obey. I mean, you're not going to find it. Am I wrong on that?
Speaker 5:no, you're right and see, in fact, the the crazy part is, even charlie kirk would admit, like you know, women it's. It's really weird and twisted because he'll admit that, like you know, western women are bad, or you know, like society you know is bad, but then, yeah, parades his wife and, and then we're going into the other part here. First peter sure it's.
Speaker 4:It's a compromise with the word of god at best meaning. Yeah, oh, we believe in the concept about obedience, but here's all these other. Well, let me press on here. And this is where, really, the power of the offense of the cross and I mean by power of the offense of the cross, not an offense by what I'm saying, but the Holy Spirit that is saying it and making it alive it says like Sarah whoed abraham and called him her master, did charlie kirk's wife go up on the stage and say thank you, master, for all that you do?
Speaker 5:no, I'm laughing, even as I say yeah, I don't like that, whatever happened the.
Speaker 4:You know all these christians, whatever they do the minimal like, believe in jesus and the bible, and then you just kind of milk toast is even a little too strong. But suppose you were actually walked up on the stage in clothing that was plain, without gold, jewelry, long hair, just just basic, doesn't stand out, you know. You turn to her and say doesn't she look great? And it's just nothing out of the norm. People might I'm not saying she's dressed ugly or doity or whatever, but just so plain people go. Well, that's an out-of-place statement, it doesn't really reflect what she looks like. And she turned to him and said Master, well, I don't know how would the conversation go. Like here's my wife, doesn't she look beautiful? And she go. I know my place in my role, I call him master, and so I leave him to do the teaching and instruction and walk off the stage uh, yeah, she definitely didn't do that, nor would it happen.
Speaker 5:Yeah, why is she even on the stage anyways? Why is she on the? Stage. Anyways, yeah, yeah, correct, well, yeah, because if you, if you read go for it first, breeder three, five and six right and, and a christian woman says, yes, I want to live this. Even if it's like, even if they're like, it's my goal to live this. You would never be out on the stage with them because you're that. Your place is not on the stage.
Speaker 4:Now, true, godly women are supposed to be like the Holy Spirit, very quiet and behind the scenes and supportive of what God does. That's their example. Can you imagine when Judge Lori K Smith and believe me, they talked about this behind the scenes and all those five prosecutors See a lot of the five prosecutors, mark Larson, they all claim to be Christians. Can you imagine, especially the way it was framed by the hate crime instigator? Yeah, he teaches that the women should call their husbands master. Can you imagine One day I'll see it in glory because God recorded. Can you imagine the visceral hatred and just self-righteousness that welled up and go? We've got to take this down.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, they would not like that. Nobody likes that.
Speaker 4:No, then it would go. Yeah, they're teaching the young girls that are growing up to call their husbands master, or just to be married, not to go to college. I mean, you can just take this and inflame anybody all the way you want to, and of course, you're putting it and framing it in a context that just hyperventilates the hatred and the objection to it all. That is the offense of the cross, because the power comes in being for a woman being able to call her husband master. That's where the power is and the only way that you can really get there. Well, there's two ways. One is the human wisdom. Muslim women do this, but it's not by the power of Jesus Christ, it's not power of the cross, it's human wisdom based on human logic and all of those things. Does it look kind? Does it look? Yes, but it's just human effort, whereas you're talking about Sarah, by the power of the Holy Spirit, calling her husband master and the power that is unleashed with that kind of submission.
Speaker 4:I don't see it anywhere within the church today. No, in fact, do you know of any grandmothers that are training the younger women and the grandchildren coming up the power and the beauty of calling your husband master? I don't know of any, none in fact. They're probably, if they're even listening to this, are the first ones picking up the stones to get rid of me now, for the sake of context, uh, prosecutorcutor Simmons, because again you probably lost your Cheerios or Froot Loops or whatever it is you consider to be worthwhile. Nothing about calling a husband master is law or rule. Jacob in Sound Doctrine Church did you ever really hear at all any woman call her husband master?
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 4:No, not on a regular day-to-day so did. You actually did hear it then a little bit uh, no, well, you, you would only hear it.
Speaker 5:Uh, you know being preached or there was like discussions about it or whatever, but not in the day-to-day context, not on, you know, on an average daily basis. Correct, you heard it preached Sure, but did you actually hear the women obeying the preaching? Again, it was more kind of you would hear like kind of jokey or like you know you'd hear references, but not on an actual daily basis.
Speaker 4:All right, it didn't happen. I mean, the discussion is correct, but that's all just whatever. It's all discussion and it's kind of laughy at it. But if Prosecutor Simmons or anybody actually would have showed up to church, would they have heard anybody refer to their husbands as master?
Speaker 5:No.
Speaker 4:Would any of the young women growing up refer to or go Mommy, why aren't you calling Daddy Master? I'm not hearing it anymore. Would it be strange in church for a little girl not to hear the word master?
Speaker 4:uh yeah, the little girl would not ask that question no, it wouldn't even stand out and you couldn't you know. If at home, the wife was calling her husband master day in and day out, and then she shows up at church and doesn't do it. The first thing children do is go. What are you doing, mommy? You're not. If she said hey, joe, or whoever she was married to, and didn't use the word master included, the child would have spoken up or given a reaction. Right, correct?
Speaker 4:The reason for this is twofold, prosecutor Simmons. Number one the women in the church didn't have hearts and spirits that were willing to do it, and nothing about sound doctrine ever forced anyone to obey anything. There was no law, there was no rule, there was no demand, it was not in any contract. I didn't walk around with an attitude ever saying you know, every wife needed to call her husband master. The church failed at it. They're not willing to do it. Correct, jacob? Correct? Do you hear Charlie Kirk going? Okay, we need to have revival in the church and really look at Scripture again and surrender ourselves to the offense of the cross. So let every woman going to college or every single woman that's at home, begin to prepare themselves to literally call their future husband master. No, why not? Why wouldn't he do that, jacob?
Speaker 5:Because he doesn't have the offense of the cross.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Also would he lose his million-dollar home unless he's got some really good investments?
Speaker 5:Yes, he would. Well, he would also not be getting his investment callers calling him.
Speaker 4:That is correct. Would people be inviting him to come speak?
Speaker 5:No, he would be very isolated and shunned and no one would want anything to do with him. Oh, I guess actually, the first people who would cry out, of course, is all the women.
Speaker 4:They thing to do with him. Oh, I guess, actually, the first people who would cry out, of course, is all the women. They would then, you know, ban their husbands from talking to charlie kirk. Well, they, they ban.
Speaker 5:Yeah, exactly, they would become the boss and say I have no way. I'm calling you master, we're not going to his house, you better not have anything to do with that man I like that.
Speaker 4:That's pretty good, jacob. Again, prosecutor simmons, none of this was ever forced. But let me tell you and the church wasn't there and that's a failure of the church, of the people in the church but you don't make up for that by law or legalism Didn't want anybody following God without their heart being in. It Didn't matter. See, the problem with the defense of the cross it doesn't matter. It's the fact that what I didn't matter see the problem with defense of the cross, it doesn't matter it's the fact that what I didn't do was compromise the truth. I I continued to teach. Well, this is what should be done and this is the way that it should be done and this is what god says is truth.
Speaker 4:I'm not bending from that. Even my own wife at the time I I'm widowed now did not call me master and I have to be honest. It wasn't in her heart to go there and I didn't force it and I never would force it. That doesn't mean I didn't preach it. That doesn't mean that she didn't feel the pressure of God's word.
Speaker 4:But I didn't personally come home in this big bravado like a rooster crowing. I didn't act like a prosecutor and say you have to do this rooster crowing. You know, I didn't act like a prosecutor and say you have to do this. This is the law, right, jacob? Correct? I prayed, I hoped, I served her, I loved her, I preached the truth, hoping one day that she would get to the point that she's willing to do that. Not that I ever required it, and if she started doing it with all the joy and the power of the holy spirit, I probably would have allowed it. Let me give you a story. You weren't even born at the time, jacob, so this goes way, way back. You're up in your 30s.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm in my late 30s.
Speaker 4:Late 30s, so this goes way back Always had small churches. That's not the point. So I just preached this whole concept and the power behind being submissive and I said, okay, ladies, for a week again, only for a week let practice calling your husband master, just practice. You know, people go through. Certainly go praise and holiness, practice, right, don't? We all have worship teams and stuff. Everybody likes to do all these other and I'm putting in quotes good things in jesus christ that they enjoy doing, but not the offense of the cross. Anyway it.
Speaker 4:It didn't work, and by that I mean the women were not able to do it. They would instead of like you couldn't call your husband by name, you couldn't go, hey, joe, uh, and get his attention. Or you couldn't go, hey, sweetie, or whatever it is that you used. You, you had to go, master, can you pass me the salt? Master, can we leave now? Although if you're calling somebody master, yeah, whatever, so none of the women could do it.
Speaker 4:One woman eventually did wind up doing it. He, he's getting ready to leave for work and he says she says, uh, goodbye, master. And then she runs to the bathroom and cries yeah, yeah, I know, prosecutor simmons, you want to prosecute me and send me to jail because somebody cried within the church. But you know that's a whole. I know that you've thrown out the law. I know you don't care about the Constitution and Judge Lori K Smith cares nothing about freedom of religion except to crush it, but that's nevertheless what happened. So you can imagine all of these stories and that story would have continued down through the years. Hit King County Prosecutor's Office. So they didn't care because they, illegally, were going to take us down simply because of that.
Speaker 4:Make sense, jacob. Yes, I want to make sure I'm not leaving anything out. I'm not a real good storyteller of past events. Is it risky? Yes, does it cause turmoil of faith? Yeah, it's called a life of faith. It's called being a disciple of Jesus Christ. It's called a life of faith. It's called being a disciple of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3, 5-6 ends you are her daughters if, if you do what is right and do not give way to fear. I don't have time to look into it.
Speaker 4:And the beauty of it all, sarah was put in compromising situations. You know, part of the pain of watching women not at least even having an attitude of calling their husband master is they don't give God time to work. You know, charlie Kirk, when he gives advice. You know, go to college to find a husband. The goal there is to find the husband of your soulmate, one that you really love and the one that you really like. You brought it up earlier. There's no praying about. Well, which husband do you want me to have? Right, correct?
Speaker 4:Let me read just a little bit of quote again from the article. It says After the girl mentioned that she was interested in pursuing a career in political journalism, kirk asked all the young girls in the audience to raise their hands if their top priority was to get married and have kids. All logical discussion, all human wisdom, that kind of thing. But he didn't say well, should you even be in college? Let me rephrase it this way If every Christian woman that is looking to get married literally understood in faith to call her husband master, what would be their reaction? It's hard to envision, but if they really believe that was true, they were going to do that and they were raised. I call my husband master. What would that cause them to do? Jacob?
Speaker 5:We're saying that, the young women, the people that Charlie Kirk is talking to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, or any of the young women today. You'll hear revival broke out at Texas U or Christian this. Like you'll hear revival broke out at Texas U or Christian this. And you never find the women quitting the college to find a husband to call master and then begin to focus in on the kids and the family correct, correct.
Speaker 5:You know, what's super common nowadays in society is that kids come out of college and they're broke and so they move back in with their parents, right, but you never hear of the women saying you know what I really feel like I shouldn't be here at college. I'm going to repent. I'm going to go back home and live with my parents and just sit quietly and wait on the Lord to bring me a husband.
Speaker 4:All right, you're getting close there. What if that girl knew that she had to call her husband master? What more would that cause to happen within her spirit?
Speaker 4:uh, she would get very quiet very quiet if, if women, the young ladies, really believe that, wouldn't that drive you to your knees? Yeah, because you'd be going, lord, before you send me this husband that I'm going to need to call a husband and trust you to deal with, you're going to hit your knees. Going, lord, bring me the husband that is for me. You make the decision. It would cause every woman to give up her viewpoint, her opinion of what she wants or what she's after, because she's going to trust God. But she's going to also realize that, lord, if you leave me to make this choice, odds are I'm going to make a mistake Because the consequences are huge. Now I don't want anybody whining that the NIV is the one that uses the term master. If you read all the other versions, you've got the Living Translation, the English Standard Version, the version, the brilliant standard bible, the brilliant literal bible, king james bible because we know who's into king james, right, jacob, all right. New, the new king james version. The new american standard bible version. The nsb of 1995, which, by the way, is kind of one of my favorites. It still has the these and thous but it's not overdone like the King James Version.
Speaker 4:The NSB 1977, the Legacy Study Bible, the Amplified Bible, which is really just a lot of words. Christian Standard Bible. Holman's Christian Standard Bible. American Standard Bible. Okay, you get the idea right. I'm not going to keep going down the line. They all translate it as just sarah obeyed abraham, calling him lord. So take your pick yeah, take a pick I really call him master, call him lord.
Speaker 4:What's funny is I've read the niv to a lot of people and they'll go oh man, you know, master, that you know. Only jesus christ is my lord. I've that before. Then I go to all the other versions. Well, you're supposed to call him Lord. Obviously that's a little L Lord, but that's very close to the Lord. Jesus Christ, right? Yes, so in Baptist circles, if a woman calls her husband Lord, the immediate reaction within the heart and the mind is going to be the capital L Lord meaning Jesus Christ. In fact, try to get a Baptist to say just Jesus Christ is Lord or Jesus Christ is my Lord, personal Savior. It just rolls off the tongue all the time. Am I right on that? Because I don't go to the Baptist church.
Speaker 5:This is correct. Well, I think in most denominations everybody. Yeah, jesus Christ is Lord.
Speaker 4:Yes, indeed, I think I've kind of pounded this point enough. Charlie Kirk, if you're interested in the offensive message of the cross really losing everything for Jesus Christ, give me a buzz or start with the book. Even Demons Believe. You won't even probably make it through that one. Then there's insanity in the church.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, I know, prosecutor Simmons, I write the books and according to King County prosecutors, that's worthy of mention in a trial at the end, that Timothy Williams writes the books, you'll be happy to know. I haven't written any new books since you threw me out of town and illegally put a man in prison, so I guess you can kind of relax. But if you don't mind, I'd like to mention to Charlie Kirk that I do have some books he could read that would bring all of this into focus and that if you really wanted to repent and lay it all on the line for Jesus Christ, that's a good place to start. No, it's not equal to the Bible. No, he doesn't have to have me, but that's just how it works that God chooses to work through men. Is that kind of clear? Prosecutor, jason Simmons, mark Larson, the other five, so on and so forth.
Speaker 4:In fact, at the end of this particular show, jacob, I have a thing called the About. That'll kind of lay this groundwork again for other people who don't know the ugly, vile story of allowing City of Enumclaw Detective Grant McCall to induce a hate crime and destroy a church that he despised. So where are we at now? Because prosecutors have literally, literally destroyed relationships between men and women. Not only has the church, like Charlie Kirk and others, using the Lord's name in vain and using Scripture and selected portions of it, destroyed relationships, taken all the power out of the cross. I mean you don't find a group of Christians, women calling their husbands master, or Christians really picking a cross and denying self, putting to shame the Muslim call to prayer. Instead, we're going about ready to be taken captive. All right, jacob, let's see where we are currently at and play this next clip called Coffee at Fox News. We've been on.
Speaker 5:Gutfield. Before we went on that one time, you had a pretty long-standing position with them right on Gut Field, probably about a year and a half or so.
Speaker 6:Oh, yeah, yeah. But, they canceled me from the show. Why'd they do that? Oh, for asking a woman for coffee at Fox News. You know why?
Speaker 5:they canceled you.
Speaker 6:This is true. They said I got to go on Gut Field. Why don't? She said great, gave her my phone, puts her number in. I walk away and I nearly get tackled by security. He goes you've been reported for harassment. I thought I literally was like you have the wrong guy. I thought I was in a prank show. I go, I just asked to go for coffee.
Speaker 6:I goes that against policy? He goes, bro, crazy here. Just please go with me. These women are nuts. He was totally on my side. Then he hides me in an elevator shaft because these are coming down the hall. Yeah, it was humiliating and I'm on my way to go on gunfire. You can't kick me out, I'm going on TV. And so they canceled my next appearance and they just were like sorry, can't have you back. You know the schedule's booked and I could just tell I knew it was from that thing.
Speaker 5:What do you think, Jacob Pretty crazy.
Speaker 4:Literally, you cannot Think about what happened. He wants to take the girl out on a date, so he says why don't we go do coffee sometime? Aside from all the cuss words and all of that stuff, that's all he's doing.
Speaker 5:Correct.
Speaker 4:So you know, Prosecutor Jason Simmons, and all you prosecutors that like to do your, you know vile things that you do to drive everybody apart. How then are you supposed to ask somebody out on a date safely? You can't. And here's the weird part. He goes up to her and he says yeah, why don't we meet for coffee sometime? Right, and what's her?
Speaker 5:reaction she gives him her phone number.
Speaker 4:Right, no doubt she's got a smile on her face, sure. And what's her reaction? She gives him her phone number, right, no doubt she's got a smile on her face. Sure, let's exchange numbers. And then he's reported by her to HR and gets fired and kicked out.
Speaker 4:Now this comes back to again what we see with prosecutors across the country why isn't she prosecuted for setting him up? You know, it'd have been one thing if he said, yeah, why don't we do coffee sometime? And she said, no, I'm not interested and please don't ask me again, correct? And then he goes at her. But even then, once you know two or three times what you know, there's one of the uh hosts I can't think of his name jet, is it waters? What? What's his first name? Jesse Waters, jesse Waters. He was already married at the time, so we'll have to ignore the whole adultery thing. There's a woman there at Fox News that he's now married to. And do you know what he did so that he could stop and talk to her? No, he let the air out of her tire so that he comes in right at the proper time and changes her tire. Sneaky, this is like on the show. Yeah, now he's not fired, correct.
Speaker 4:So there's a whole amount of hypocrisy here and I didn't want to get too sidetracked. My main point here is this is all reasonable territory and yet she is setting him up to be destroyed. You know what it reminds me of? Most people don't know? At Sound Doctrine Church, not only did we have the power of the cross to keep sexual immorality in check, if you want to put it in a worldly way. Thank you, jake. I'm glad you found that that was fast. We had the power of the cross, we also did the worldly things, the background checks which, by the way, everybody in the trial said oh, I don't remember signing those when it was a whole big event. I mean, they lied through their teeth on, well, on everything. Um, there was a social worker that we had in the church, had been there for decades, decades. She was there till the very end. So she's testifying at the trial about sound doctrine church and our precautions, keep in mind.
Speaker 4:This is a social worker working for the state of washington. Well, she doesn't do the party line, she doesn't bury the church, she doesn't come in and go. Well, yeah, I had questions or whatever it is he wanted, or insinuations or whatever. Right, she stands firm. She stands firm again. In other words, she presented the truth.
Speaker 4:You know he's saying well, why didn't you get rid of this person? They were causing so much trouble. And she wisely turns and says well, we are devoted to one another. And don't you think that was like when he goes, why did you need a? Um, literally, simmons objected to an abuse prevention policy in the church. He says well, why is a church so small that it needs an abuse prevention policy? Now, I'm telling you that's the length and more that King County prosecutors went to. They object to us having an abuse prevention policy. And he's saying this to a social worker who works for the state of Washington. And she goes well, don't you think that's pretty smart to do? All right, so it's all done. She's held her ground. By that I mean she stated the obvious truth. And if she's getting ready to be dismissed, he sarcastically says well, thank you very much. Now he uses her name. We've got the videotape, we've got the proof of it all his sarcasm comes out clear.
Speaker 4:Well, guess, guess. What happened Jacob, after the trial is over with Malcolm Frazier, is unjustly found guilty because the jury said they didn't pay any attention to all that stuff. They only listened to what the false accuser had to say. So we had a 28-day trial, all these different accusations by the state and so on and so forth, and there's, like this hour maybe, discussion with the accusation and the juror says, oh, we ignored all that and just listened to her. Well, I thought juries were supposed to examine all the evidence, right? Isn't that kind of obvious? Yes, I didn't even do that, and that's just a superficial analysis.
Speaker 4:All right, long story short. Trial's over with. He's found guilty. We're being ran out of town. The pressure's on at that point, because clearly the city of Uniclone now has the power to run us out. And the person that had begun the hate crime multi-leveled the hate crime, got everybody stirred up. We were literally forced out of town as this person stole property. So on as a fourth and begin to move forward with the lies with even greater speed. Well, guess what began to happen to this social worker, jacob I don't remember this you wouldn't have been.
Speaker 4:There was so much going on. That's's just my angle. The place where she worked was just outside Enumclaw. They began to set her up to fire her, to harass her. One of the fellow workers comes to her and goes hey, and she actually sold Juice Plus on the side. She goes yeah, you know, I hear you got Juice Plus, I'd like to buy some, right? So the social worker says, okay, fine, here's my number, we'll do whatever. That was the extent of it. Bang. Guess what's next? She's hauled in. The social worker's hauled in because it is against the rules to have a side hustle to sell anything while at work.
Speaker 4:And they don't just reprimand her, she has to begin to do reports. They begin to lay down these hoops that it became extremely obvious. You were trying to make it so rough to kick her out, to wear her down, to punish her, to shame her. They use something as insignificant as that to begin to punish her, to shame her. They used something as insignificant as that to begin to destroy her employment there because she didn't follow Prosecutor Simmons' expectation of what should be declared in the court of law, which tells you that when Prosecutor Simmons is drawing in all these state officials and all these other prosecutors, which he didn't do. They would have just given the party line, no matter what. Nobody there, when it comes to these false accusations, is actually looking for truth. They all just come in to support one another.
Speaker 4:This continues to go on and of course I'm watching this because, like, okay, you want to play this game, I'm going to watch this, play it way out. And somehow I had mentioned this in emcloudcom or what's going on, the long story short. One day she shows up to work and they go okay, it's all over with. They dropped all the requirements of what she was supposed to do. So when the light began to hit, or I began to reveal what was going on in Enumclaw, they backed off. And I was still in contact with King County prosecutors at that point telling them look, I hold you guys responsible for what you've done. Word probably came down back off because he's still watching. He's not going away. My question in both of these situations is why isn't the person like the person saying yeah, let's have coffee together, brought up on charges for laying a trap? Why is it the person coming in like I'd like to buy juice plus not reprimanded for setting the situation up.
Speaker 4:The person saying, yeah, I want to buy juice plus, or whatever it is, clearly knew the rule correct the woman that is turning down coffee or accepting coffee clearly knows she can use that as a power play. So why isn't it that these individuals are also being brought up on charges of entrapment?
Speaker 5:because that's classic entrapment uh, I don't have an exact answer for you you don't?
Speaker 4:well, I do, but we're out of time, so let's pick it up on the next show.
Speaker 1:Malcolm Fraser, defendant Case number 12-1-01886-0. K&t and the related parties of Sound Doctrine Church, Wine Press Publishing or Pastor Timothy Williams, all of which were driven out of the city of Enumclaw in Washington State. It was not just a malicious prosecution or just a result of the Washington Supreme Court's right rape rulings, nor was it a miscarriage of justice or a failure of the legal system. It certainly was not a trial based on just ignorance, incompetence or legal foolishness. It was, by all evidence, a conspiracy of legal officials, slanderers and liars to destroy those involved, criminally framed up an innocent man to destroy a righteous Christian church and should be serving time in prison. Liars were invited, protected and enhanced. Evidence was ignored while every corrupt application of the law was applied to destroy the defense. Calls for investigation were silenced. Illegal use of laws to ensure a show trial conviction, crushing proper legal procedures while crushing the facts of the hate crime conspiracy, all under the dark tent of Washington State's prejudices against Christians.
Speaker 1:Consider not just crimes that a holy God considers illegal, but earthbound crimes written on current law books. Consider just one federal law the Honest Services Fraud Law 18 USC S 1346,. Honest Services Fraud Law 18 USC S 1346 was committed by Washington State, seattle, king County, washington. Judge Beth M Mandris. Judge Lori K Smith, prosecutor Dan Satterberg. Prosecutor Mark Larson, prosecutor Lisa Johnson, prosecutor Nicole Weston, prosecutor Rich Anderson, prosecutor Jason Simmons, prosecutor Lisa Mannion, prosecutor David Seaver, city of Enumclaw, detective Grant McCall and co-conspirators. These and more had all best consider repenting, for God promises to remember their crimes. Then I heard another voice from heaven say Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues, for her sins are piled up to heaven. And God has remembered her crimes Revelation 18, 4 and 5. Has remembered her crimes Revelation 18, 4 and 5. For more information, see wwwconsiderinfo. The Consider Podcast Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness. Wwwconsiderinfo.
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