The Consider Podcast
The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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Hosts: Timothy and Jacob
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#94 The Consider Podcast
#94 October 2025 The Consider Podcast
Most pass their days in a daze, but not so on The Consider Podcast.
It is time to consider:
Alaska, beer, airplanes, and drunk legal Courts.
The Devil’s turf is labeled Democrat and Republican.
Time to consider Turning Point USA
And, as a bonus, we have some pizza evidence for Seattle’s King County Prosecutors to consider.
All of this on The Consider Podcast in the year of our Lord 2025.
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Most pass their days and a day. But not so on the Consider podcast. It's time to consider Alaska, Beer, Airplanes, and Drunk Legal Court. The Devil's Turf labeled Democrat and Republican. Time to consider Turning Point USA. And as a bonus, we have some pizza evidence for Seattle's King County Prosecutor to consider. All of this on the Consider Podcast in the year of our Lord, 2025.
SPEAKER_07:Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.
SPEAKER_06:More information can be found at www.consider.info. Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.
SPEAKER_02:How's it going, Jacob? Nice fall days headed our way.
SPEAKER_15:It's going good. It's cool and crisp and sunny all at the same time.
SPEAKER_02:One of my favorite times of the year. Hey, I got another job for you. I'm always looking, you know, every show. It's like find a better job for Jacob so he can mature and what have a better self-esteem. So this is an employment opportunity? It is a career of a lifetime.
SPEAKER_15:Oh, really? This is a rare thing.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You'll you'll want to do this all the way up into your 90s and your 80s. Um it's being a bush pilot in Alaska.
SPEAKER_15:Okay, yeah. I've I've heard of this concept.
SPEAKER_02:You you've been to Alaska, you know, all those planes landing, because to get into the back area of Alaska, you they really don't have rows designed for that. So, you know, they have the planes with the water. A lot of planes, yeah. I guess those are called skis. I don't really know. Uh floats.
SPEAKER_15:They got the float planes, they got wheels, they got skis for yeah, landing on snow and ice. They have it all. A lot of little planes.
SPEAKER_02:Lots of beautiful, you know, you're most of the time you're probably flying along the coastline so you can see the ocean, and then other times as you're flying inland, you know, you can see all those stranded hunters out there, and every you just wave and say hi to everybody as you're flying on. Beautiful country, though. Be beautiful, right? Yeah. As far as I know, there aren't any mosquitoes up that high because Alaska has a few skeeters that like to get a hold of you. Anyway, now there are dangers, uh obviously dangers. Can you name a couple? Because I I wouldn't want to throw you into a career without you really thinking about like, okay. I mean, you get a plane, you you get, let's just say, a Cessna, you 206D. I don't know what that is, but Cessna is very popular. Okay. Very popular. Um, you get a plane, you own the plane, you fly for 40, 50 years, maybe.
SPEAKER_15:That's a very long time.
SPEAKER_02:Interested. I mean, and because you're mechanical, so you can do your own repair work.
SPEAKER_15:Some of the maintenance. I could do some of the maintenance myself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm sure you also have to have certified and all that. But if you ever got I you know, I'd want to fly with you because if we ever had to go down in somewhere else, there's at least the hope of you being able to fix it. Whereas with me, um, the only hope is that I can pray for you as you fix the case. Yes. Okay. So you're interested in that. I mean, and you get the cool outfits. I know I'm dragging this out, but you get you know, the jackets and that. But that's good. But there are go ahead.
SPEAKER_15:No, no, no. Yeah, I mean, this sounds like a great job, other than I don't live in Alaska, but if I lived at Alaska, this sounds like a promising career.
SPEAKER_02:Well, we could do a GoFundMe, you know, so I can move to Alaska routine. Okay. Um now there are dangers, of course. Can you think of some? Uh weather bears. Bears? Well, if you got a land.
SPEAKER_15:No, if you got a land, if you got a land, there's like bears, giant moose could rush you, whiny clients. There's gonna be a lot of whiny clients.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so whiny clients uh clients are you can charge an extra fee when you're when the crashes happen. Crash could happen. You can hit a bird. Birds, you bet bird strikes. Yep. And then well, now there is one larger danger you need to know about, and that is the legal system will shut you down.
SPEAKER_15:Um this is not a surprise. What's the what are they gonna shut me down over?
SPEAKER_02:Well, the prosecutors are gonna, you know, the police are gonna make their arrest and do their thing, and they're uh no nonsense, you gotta file the law. Because you know, we all know, right, Jacob, nobody's exempt from the law, right?
SPEAKER_15:No one is exempt. But what are they gonna arrest me for? If you're like flying drugs, if you're drug smuggling, this you might get arrested.
SPEAKER_02:Might. Yeah, you might get arrested, but in this you will always get arrested. Oh, you always get arrested, okay. Play the clip and let's listen in and we'll talk about it.
SPEAKER_04:See that plane in the sky? Hear the roar of the engines. The plane is a Cessna U-206D, flying folks and products into the Alaska backwoods. Unbeknown to the owner, Ken Jupee, an 82-year-old Alaskan bush pilot, there is a horror in the backseat. The horror, you ask? Hang on to your parachute. The horror is Are You Ready? Unopened beer cans and a stack of groceries. Enter the Alaska Supreme Court, ruling that the 82-year-old's$92,000 airplane should be confiscated by the state of Alaska. Just your fine old corrupt prosecutors at work nationwide. Amos 310. They do not know how to do right, declares the Lord, who hoard, plunder, and loot in their fortresses. The Consider Podcast.info.
SPEAKER_02:Still interested, Jacob?
SPEAKER_15:Um, I'm less interested. I thought Alaska was supposed to be like the last frontier and wild and free. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Freedom doesn't pretty much anywhere.
SPEAKER_15:But yeah, it is crazy that, yeah, even that kind of stuff goes on. What do they even do with this plane other than the money? They take the guy.
SPEAKER_02:They can fly around and chase other bad guys, quote, and I'm putting that in quotes bad guys to seize their stuff. I mean, this is a lucrative business at this point.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, now there's a precedence. Whatever, what's that called, you know, like with a court's case law. This is case law.
SPEAKER_02:What's our well, first of all, he's 82 years old. You see this, of course. I realize the demographics of the country is getting older, but more and more and more the courts are picking on old people. You're seeing young people beat up old people. Yeah. Um, that's a whole other podcast and of itself. But the whole respect for individuals, I mean, this is absurd. It's flat out absurd. Now, somebody's gonna say, because the law does say, and I won't bring it up for you now. I looked at it, I couldn't believe when I'm reading it, but the law says if you fly, or excuse me, if you transport alcohol to a dry area, like no matter how it says no matter how small the amount, you forfeit everything that you use to transport it. That is wild. That first of all, this law should have been declared unconstitutional a long time ago. Don't even come to me and go, oh, well, that's the law. No, that's a law that should not exist. And you can blame the uh Alaska Supreme Court for not kicking it out decades ago when it came there. Yeah. Number two, and you know, this is just a real beef. Since when do we as American citizens have to act as police and those in authority for government? We're not government agents. No. And I don't even give me this, well, in order to have the privilege to fly, and flying's not a right. No. Yeah. The flying is a right, driving is a right, you have to have it to exist. To make this man a last 82-year-old man an agent for the state of Alaska to do searches to discover this stuff is absurd.
SPEAKER_15:Oh, yeah. I guess at the minimum, the guy who bought the beer knowingly was transporting it, but this guy didn't even know. Yeah, what what is it? What he he's like a DEI, no, DEA agent. Yeah. ATF. Alcohol pilot.
SPEAKER_02:Let me see your purse, let me look in over there. It's an absurd law to even have on the books. That's crazy. You know, somebody needs to sue the state of Alaska for time and pay if you're an agent of the state without ever being employed by the state. Because they have no business forcing me to rat on my neighbor to check somebody else. It'd be like saying when I go on a plane, I have to look in people's luggage to make sure there isn't anything there. Yeah, yeah. Your neighbor's luggage. Excuse me, ma'am. Let me see your purse, please. Okay, here's the ironic part. They they not only they arrested him at the moment, whatever that moment was, seize the plane at that moment, yeah, and he spent a day and a half, or I want to say three days in jail.
SPEAKER_15:Okay. Wow. Just sitting there all over a six-pack, as they call it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, technically, I dug a little bit more. Oh, okay. There was two cases of beer. Oh, gas, but 12 pack. Now, the one case was um what's called the diet bud that got in trouble? Bud Light. Oh, like a Bud Light, yeah. So this is light beer. A case, well, a case of Bud Light. Now, he should have been arrested for that. You know, you need to be flying that stuff in. So that's all there was. But they didn't go for the person who bought it in their grocery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knowingly that got into the plane and allowed it to happen. And the person that knew that that particular, and they don't have counties there. I found that out later. That section of Alaska is a dry dry county or whatever. Dry county. You get my point, right?
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, yeah, yeah. The area is dry.
SPEAKER_02:And here's the kicker. The lady, the wife, was getting the two cases of beer for her husband, who's the postmaster of the town. Oh, whoa, really? Yep. As far as I know, they didn't seize his car. They didn't take her percent fired as a federal employee. Oh, tell me about it. Or he's privileged and federal law surpassed. I wonder if you can mail it there. I kind of doubt it. Yeah, probably. Look, first of all, if this particular county junction section, finger of Alaska, wants to be tried, then it's their responsibility to pay for somebody to search incoming packages and planes that are landing. This is not the obligation of the pilot. No. Period. No. He's not an agent of that county, and he's not an agent of the Alaska government. So, you know what? It's called the Pursuit of Happiness, Alaska Supreme Court. So leave us alone. And I don't even live in Alaska. Sure. All right. Now, it kind of gets worse than that because there was the lower courts in Alaska because the guy it looks great for 82 years old. By the way, he was 82 years old at the time, and this case is going potentially to Supreme Court in April of 2025. So you do the math. How old is he now?
SPEAKER_15:Is he even alive? Well, well, this is 25. So it either already happened or you're saying it's gonna happen next year, 26. No, I confused you. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:The the legal battle started in 2012. Okay. Oh, okay. That's when it was seized. Yeah. So you've got from 2012 now, hopping forward all the years to 2025.
SPEAKER_15:Sure, yeah. See, he was 82 at the time.
SPEAKER_02:That is correct. Wow. Lost his savings. Yeah, he lost his savings.
SPEAKER_15:He probably saved his whole life for that plane. Probably his entire life for that plane.
SPEAKER_02:You know, it was there was a personal attachment to that plane. All kinds of memories. Um, of course, the whatever the police authorities, they all want that simply because they can benefit from it and it's cash cow and it's that's illegal. It's just literally just stealing. Yeah. So anyway, lower Supreme Court, the lower courts all said no, he gets the plane back. So the first appeal said, Yeah, you're right, you can keep your plane. Okay. The second appeal court from there said, Yeah, you're right, you can keep your plane. Then prosecutors, of course, are not happy that they couldn't keep their little airplane. And being as corrupt and as they are, they appealed it to the Supreme Court, and that's where the Alaska Supreme Court said, Oh, yeah, that's what the law says, you lose your plane.
SPEAKER_15:Crazy.
SPEAKER_02:This whole forfeiture stuff is absolutely unjust. Yeah. But I've kind of had a change of heart, Jacob. Okay. I I in the spirit of cooperation with the Alaska Supreme Court, and in a spirit of comradeship, I guess, you know, with all the prosecutors. Well, let's just do that. I say that we have special license plates designed by Alaska that are only for prosecutors and judges. So, you know, there'd be a special color or design, but there would be something about the license plate.
SPEAKER_15:Oh, yeah, that we know we know it's a prosecutor. Yeah. Like uh states have like exempt plates. You can kind of tell if it's state patrol or you could tell, you can kind of tell, yeah, the government vehicle.
SPEAKER_02:All right. So you have special plates. Now they're probably already thinking, well, we have special plates. No, no, no. These are special, special plates. Extra special. Extra special. Because you know why? Now, is speeding dangerous, Jacob?
SPEAKER_15:Yes. Or it can be.
SPEAKER_02:Wow. Isn't it always more risky to go faster no matter what? I mean, you could always dangerous.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, if you crash at a higher rate of speed, your injuries will be worse than if you were at a lower rate of speed.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I know, but we need to keep society safe. It's all for the children. Let's see, it's for the good of society. Going green.
SPEAKER_15:Going green. Save the planet.
SPEAKER_02:Going green, yeah. Oh, that's good. Save the trees. Saving trees and bears, because there's another bear story in here eventually. So, anyway, the special plate is designed so that you instantly can tell a prosecutor is in that car or the prosecutor owns that car. Okay. They would be required by law to put these special plates on their personal vehicles and on official government vehicles or any ATVs or whatever they use. Anything that requires a license plate. If they're a prosecutor or a judge, they have to use these license plates. Now they can have different numbers, but there'll be a special color or something that says, this is an official license plate for prosecutors and judges. You follow me so far? Yeah, I do. I follow you. Okay. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7, verse 12. Matthew chapter 7, verse 12, so in everything, in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. This sums up the law and the prophets. So this is easy to figure. We're to treat each other in safety. So we want the laws to reflect that each of us are treated the same, right? As we would want to be treated. I don't want to be stolen from, so the law's against stealing. We have that down, right? We have it down. Well, since the Alaska Supreme Court and the police that are in Alaska are so gung-ho, what these license plates allow, let's say you're driving along, Jacob, and you see one of these cars go by and it has this license plate and they're speeding. You can immediately, this needs to be passed in the legislature, make a citizen's arrest, seize the vehicle, and then file a report, and then the vehicle is yours.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, you should be able to that's right. It's it's finders keepers.
SPEAKER_02:It's what that's right. If you catch someone breaking the law, report you're keeping. Let's get in the spirit here with the Alaska Supreme Court and all the prosecutors and police that love to do these things. Now, of course, if it's a government vehicle that you seize, the prosecutor or the judge has to pay for that vehicle. So they're they're not off the hook. So it's not like they can go, well, I, you know, I don't pay for it. What do you think? Think that's a good idea? Uh yeah, I think that's a good idea. We should impose this. Play the clip.
SPEAKER_04:Speeding is bad. Speeding endangers others. Speeding is illegal, and no one is above the law. But first, remember the roar of the airplane? We once heard the roar of the plane. Now, let's listen to the revving of car engines and the spinning of automotive tires. In recognition of the Alaska Supreme Court's decision to seize a$92,000 Cesta plane from 82-year-old Ken Jupee, an Alaska bush pilot, after he unknowingly transported groceries with beer into a dry county, we call for a greater emphasis on safety in Alaska. We encourage citizens of Alaska to petition the state government to pass the Responsible Government Safety Against Speeding by Prosecutors and Judges bill. This proposed legislation mandates that all judges and prosecutors attach special license plates to their personal and government vehicles. Any citizen who observes these license plates and witnesses speeding or breaking a law are empowered by the state of Alaska to make a citizen's arrest. Such citizens may seize the vehicle immediately and after completing a prosecutor-judge speeding violation form, keep the item. After all, we're told judges and prosecutors are held to a higher standard. Matthew 7, 12. Jesus said in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. For this sums up the law. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Any comments about the plane you you decide to do it or not do it? I think we've got to hold off. I would too. Yeah. Probably not safe now, um, unless they pass that law. This next section, we're gonna begin to talk about Charlie Kirk, the turning point USA. And it's overwhelming. I mean, there is so much sin involved with this movement. And we'll see here in a moment, it's really just a delusion that and I just had to whittle down to a couple things. I'm not saying that we're even gonna get through it today, but and we may have to continue it on, but even a casual reading of scripture reveals this thing to be false. The whole movement, uh, turning point, all of that. You and I have kind of discussed it a little bit on the phone, or actually we just kind of get worked up because it's it's just amazing how wrong it is. And there's all this talk of like the word of the Lord, the word of the Lord reminds me of Jeremiah and Ezekiel in the books where the people are saying the word of the Lord, the word of the Lord. There's one clip where somebody is saying, Yeah, read your Bible, but you know, you know what's missing? Never obey the Bible. And I'm not even talking about obeying the Bible. I I really don't want people to obey the Bible. I want you to obey the living God as you follow Jesus Christ and as He works and wills that in your life. But I don't have time to discuss that today. There's a difference. In fact, Charlie Kirk and the whole turning point USA thing is the Christian religion, which is not the same as following Jesus. In fact, they're completely opposed to each other. One's a religion, the other's spiritual. Any comments before we kind of get started, Jacob? No. All right. The first thing we have to realize is oh, what's the first what's the first thing we have to realize in this whole thing, Jacob? I mean, I'm like 15 other firsts on top of it. I don't know. What are you thinking first? Well, to introduce and try to get through it, people have to realize that the devil controls the Democrats as much as the Republicans. Now let me repeat that. The devil's playground, his turf, and show that particular cartoon there, Jacob. You can see it there. Uh it says devil's turf on it, that he influences, controls. Sure, God's making sure it all goes according to his plan, but that's the point. Now, I do want to say for the good things that Trump is doing, and he's doing a lot of good things, I appreciate that. I would much rather have a Trump in charge by far than a Biden or that particular side of the L. But that that has to do with comfort and freedom and being able to function. Yeah. Um anything you want to add to that? No. Okay. So in the devil's turf, we have to realize that you can become a Republican or you can look at the Republican Party. It is ultimately going to work out God's will, which means we're moving toward the Antichrist. Read Proverbs chapter 16, verse 4 there, Jacob. Okay.
SPEAKER_15:Proverbs chapter 16. Go ahead and read it. I'm there. Go for it. Proverbs 16, 4. The Lord works out everything for his own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster.
SPEAKER_02:It's kind of interesting right there in Proverbs. He doesn't say to bless the righteous at the end of the day. I mean, that that's the happy gospel or the happy Jack Jesus is out there. The Lord works out everything for his own ends. Democrat-Republican God is still weaving and working. He may allow a, and I'm going to use better in a worldly sense, a better form of government under Trump. I mean, who can't appreciate doing crime, going into these cities and cleaning these things up, the pardons, the sense of he's been through all the injustice system, so he has a real feel you can tell for that. And you can't deny the good things that are coming from that. In fact, I embrace them and I thank him for that. But Trump is not a Christian. The Republican Party is not a Christian tent or church. It's not even to be remotely considered that. Well, God is just working all the different ways he can to bring about the day of disaster for the wicked, which is far more number of people than people realize. Jacob go ahead and play. This is actually, I trimmed it down a little bit, this next particular thing that explains how Trump is ushering in the one world government, and people just don't realize it because all of these other things are going on. Go ahead and play that.
SPEAKER_14:I think this is something that could legitimately be implemented, and if so, how soon do you think they would start doing this?
SPEAKER_10:I think as soon as you pass the Genius Act, it can go very, very fast.
SPEAKER_14:And where are we at right now with the Yeah, pause it right there, Jacob?
SPEAKER_02:It's already been passed. Yes. This is an older clip. Um, it was signed into law by President Trump in July of 2025. So very, very recent. And what they're talking about is a digital control of money, which is a digital control, obviously, if your medical stuff, everything, all of it's gonna come together. It has to under a digital format. Go ahead and keep playing. The Genius Act and getting passed.
SPEAKER_10:I'm assuming it's gonna pass sometime soon. If if it doesn't pass before the session breaks, it'll pass in the fall, is my guess. So it it it could you could really see the world right now. Our problem in America Is Trump aware of all this stuff?
SPEAKER_14:Or what do you think what do you think his what is his motive in all of this? Or uh not his motive, but he is he basically a useful idiot here?
SPEAKER_10:So I don't I don't know Trump. I lived in New York for 11 years and and the PR firm we use was did his business too. Everything I know about Trump I know from the Howard Rubenstein Academy. Anyway, but um, you know, I think Trump I think Trump is in a box. And and you know, and and all I see, I I have to judge people by what they're doing.
SPEAKER_02:And she really does sum it up now that this thing is much longer. Um you've actually listened to anything you want to add to what she's communicating there?
SPEAKER_15:Um nothing other than she breaks down that of course, yeah, everything is being consolidated. Um you can't file your taxes with paper anymore. Uh they're doing stable coins, the money stuff. Doge is getting everybody's information. It's all gonna be privatized into this giant AI monster. And it's uh yeah. And she even says, like, they've been, you know, data harvesting. She even used the term data beast. She's like, Oh, yeah, I've called that the data beast since the 90s. And but it's like it's coming fast.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, the digital ID, you have to have it to fly and so on and so forth. So God's working this out that he's giving the what's really going on here is the Antichrist is both kind of a spiritual being and a spiritual thing, whatever, and also human at the same time, correct? We kind of know our Bible enough there, right? Yes. All right, in the same way, what we're seeing with Charlie Kirk and the turning point USA is the beginning of this kind of combining of spirituality with politics. Yeah. And they become one and the same. So don't be fooled. Trump Trump is doing some good, but that's behind it, underneath it, he's being forced into a situation to bring in the mark of the beast. And he may be actively doing it for all I know. They could be, you know, who they are, whatever the deep state, the deeper state, or the spiritual state. Could be just say, oh yeah, give them food, give them cake, giving them some freedom. You know, Satan's really good at giving you the carrot and the stick. He knows when exactly to do this. As long as you keep your attention on worldly things, as long as you're into turning point USA, as long as you're into Trump, Satan doesn't care. He doesn't matter. He didn't even care if you hate Biden, obviously. It's just get your focus off following Jesus Christ. And that's what's going on with Turning Point USA. And there is a real combining of worldliness and spiritual worldliness together. In short, Christianity today, the magazine is getting what they've been planting for decades. Yeah. Um, so let's talk about a little bit about if I made that clear, at least my point. Yeah. There's a lot of scriptures, but we just don't have time for them today. Sure. Well, first I want to give I want to I want to do a public service for Seattle's King County prosecutors. Oh, okay. Yeah, that they're always in my thoughts and my concerns. So I want to offer them stuff because and at the same time, I'm kind of torn because this is a warning to Turning Point USA to stay away from King County. Because if you don't celebrate Christmas, prosecutor Jason Simmons or King County prosecutors will look for an opportunity to declare your movement a cult. You know, you might find a stadium where everybody's wearing white t-shirts and white caps that say freedom on them. They all think alike, they all vote alike. And so he'll use Christmas as one of the things to destroy your movement, right, Jacob? Yeah. Well, that's what he did with us. Remember, well, I know you remember. We did something that you should not do in the state of Washington. In order to celebrate Christmas, we would take and design pour boxes. Now, not fancy pour boxes. We, you know, we didn't go out and do wood and cut them all up. Probably those that were talented could. We used to take oatmeal tubes, right? Decorate them or boxes, people would sign them, the kids were involved. Extremely joyful time. This is back when people actually had coins. Prosecutor Jason Simmons, King County Prosecutors, and Seattle, the state of the Washington ridiculed us because we did not celebrate Christmas in the proper fashion. That's right. Not that they ever told us what the proper fashion was. Correct. They just what we did was wrong, was cultish. So be on your guard, Turning Point USA. I'm helping Seattle's King County prosecutors because, yeah, I'm just a good citizen. Likes to help them. Here it is. Charlie Kirk skipped Christmas. And not only did he skip Christmas, I know it's shocking. Go ahead, Jacob. It's like amazing. It's proof that it's not spiritual.
SPEAKER_12:We didn't even have Christmas. Last Christmas, we had Domino's Pizza for Christmas.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, yes, we did. I remember him getting off stage and I say, honey.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, did you hear that? I mean, yeah, we did it. Go get him, Prosecutor Simmons. Go get him. Lisa Manning. Go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. No, play it again. Let's hear this. Oh, yeah. Repeat. No Christmas.
SPEAKER_12:Gasp. We didn't even have Christmas. Last Christmas, we had Domino's Pizza for Christmas.
SPEAKER_11:Oh, yes, we did. I remember him getting off stage. Gasp.
SPEAKER_15:No ham, no turkey, no nothing. No Domino's Pizza. Domino's Pizza.
SPEAKER_02:They weren't even together. I guess he just kind of they missed Christmas. I don't know. I don't kind of get it, but you can tell. The family wasn't there. Yes. Go get them, King County. They're yours. Now they have a little bit more money than we had, so the takedown may not be as easy, but the rewards are all the better, right? You do know, and remember, I probably mentioned it to Prosecutor Jason Simmons became a prosecutor because he was invited to a pizza party. Yeah. Do you know that story? I do know that story, yeah. Yeah. Well, let's read that scripture, and we're going to play first the clip here of Christmas Kirk, I call it. Okay. And then I'm going to read you the scripture. You see, what prosecutor Jason Simmons was going to do, he's going to be a defense attorney. Well, he gets a ring-a-ding-a-ding from Prosecutor Satisburg over at Seattle's King County prosecutors to come to a pizza party. Yeah. So you hop on over, you get some flattery. Hey, this feels pretty good. And the reason why, well, let me read the scripture now. We'll play the clip and then we'll go from there. Philippians 3 19. Their destiny is destruction. Their God is their stomach. Their glory is their shame. Their mind is on earthly things. I could break that down again all the way through this trial. But our citizenship, and this is key even to turning point, our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no saving America. Jesus did not die to save nations. Next time Jesus comes, he's going to judge all nations because of their adulterous ways. Correct, Jacob? Correct. We have a citizenship in heaven. We're waiting for a heavenly nation. Anybody saying, well, I want to make USA great again has declared that their God, their idol, that what they're trying to fashion, is the United States of America. Let's play and get into now, Jacob. Let's go to 1 Corinthians chapter 15, and let's start in verse 34. Because it's important for us to recognize why turning point so powerful, Jacob? And this is a rhetorical question, as if you were looking at it from their viewpoint. I mean, it's revival. It's just loaded with now I'm getting idolatry. We're going to change America. People are going back to church. They become Christian, so on and so forth, right? I mean, it's just like overwhelming muck. Um so so what what is it about what Charlie Kirk has said and done that is just pulling people in that you could just go, wow, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_15:Well, everybody has to take a side. So, I mean, you know, there's plenty of people that are into the trans liberal movement, and there's then there's tons of people that are into his movement because you gotta most people take a side. So I'm just saying it's whatever appeals to that person. The trans stuff appeals to some people. Charlie Kirk appeals to these young people that he goes to the campuses or uses.
SPEAKER_02:All good, all good points. But but what's one thing that Charlie Kirk has said or done that you would go, wow, that's why everybody's going back to church. That's why everybody's become a Christian. This is just amazing. This is revival. What's a what's the one thing that Charlie Kirk has said that has just created a revival of people going back to church? I don't know what the wow factor is. I found the video. Oh, okay. Play it. Let's listen to this. Is why.
SPEAKER_08:We're seeing a revival right now. People are going back to church in spades, and you know what? A lot of it is because of videos like this. Watch.
SPEAKER_00:I would love if my tax dollars went to helping people who needed food. That's my argument here. I think that's a good thing. It does.
SPEAKER_12:Over over a trillion dollars a year goes to food stamps and Snap and Medicaid. Perfect. No, but actually, it doesn't help them nearly as much as you think. Let me tell you why. Because then we subsidize bad eating habits of the poor so that the working poor is very obese, so they go buy Coca-Cola, Pepsi, and Frito Lays, and the church is not involved, where the church would then say, Hey, instead of going to the local grocery store with a bunch of food stamps and snap benefits, why don't you come by our church and we'll feed all of you and a much more healthy meal made by our own members, and then you can hear the gospel afterwards. That's the church in practice. What the government does, and I want you to respond, what the government does is it creates distance and it creates separation and it creates murkiness between the person issuing the help and the person receiving the help.
SPEAKER_08:What the government also does, it creates dependence, thereby keeping the very bad chain going.
SPEAKER_15:There you go, Jacob.
SPEAKER_02:That's wow.
SPEAKER_15:That's the wow, is that people want to go feed the homeless so they're going back to church?
SPEAKER_02:Yep. That's essentially it. And you get to hear the gospel right afterwards. Afterwards. Afterwards. The whole wow is like, wow, he dismantled the fact that government subsidies aren't good and food stamps aren't good. Really? I I mean, I'm I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but this is a depth of being impressed. People really are very stupid if you think this is deep and insightful and hard to come up with and requires going from campus to campus to speak to these things. This is a nothing bugger. There's nothing, of course. It's even in Jesus' time, you know, the Roman Roman leaders had to bring in grain from Egypt to feed the peoples, the whole welfare system. This changes nothing. This has this doesn't deal with this woman's heart, it doesn't deal with any sin. There's no gospel being even presented on the other side anyway. Yeah. This is this is not a wow. Is it worth a video? I don't know. Uh we could talk about her makeup and what's going on there and the need to be busy at home, and we may not get to it today, but there's nothing about this that spells God's word and an obedience to God's word. Correct. I want to mention a couple books that I have written. They're free. You can get them at the website. But decades upon decades, I want to say at least three decades ago, God had me write a book called Whisperer Whisper Revival, our only option. Obviously, God knew that this kind of turning point, this big false spiritual movement, this it's almost equal to sports, because that's where it's held. I mean, and then you got the flash, and then you've got the fireworks, and everything about this is the opposite of Jesus Christ, people. Correct. But if you want revival in your life, certainly seek the living God. You don't have to have my book. I get all that. I wrote the book. If you want to take advantage of it and get a few jumps ahead on your spiritual walk and dealing with sin, go for it. It's called a whisper revival, our only option. And the second one to go with it, if you're not convinced the church is really that bad or turning point is that bad, you can pick up the book I've also written called Insanity in the Church. And again, that was written multiple decades ago. Any comments or anything before we move on? No. All right, let's play the Tim Allen clip where he forgives somebody for being drunk and killing his father.
SPEAKER_01:Tim Allen. Uh, you know, home improvement. Tim Allen, he's great. He came out with this amazing revelation today. Um, I think he posted it on X, and it relates to Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, of course, and that extraordinary moment that we saw at Charlie's memorial. Do we have the Erica Kirk moment? I don't know if I don't see it on our list. We'll drop it in.
SPEAKER_11:That young man on the cross, our Savior said. Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man. I forgive him.
SPEAKER_01:But when she forgave Charlie's killer, which, you know, it's like I feel like in a year that's gonna be Charlie getting murdered and Erica forgiving the killer. Those are gonna be the two moments that we remember about this story, those two just almost equally extraordinary moments. And Tim Allen was watching and he posted on X when Erica Kirk spoke the words on the man who killed her husband, that man, that young man, I forgive him. That moment deeply affected me. I have struggled for over 60 years to forgive the man who killed my dad. I will say those words now as I type. I forgive the man who killed my father. Peace be with you all. And it turns out Tim Allen's dad was killed by a drunk driver, and I and the dad, Tim Allen's dad, was in the car with her Jesus.
SPEAKER_02:Now she's going to explain why Erica Kirk's forgiveness and Tim Allen's Kirk forgiveness is of benefit, and pay very, very close attention, especially if you're young in the faith, because what she's about to tell you is total revelation of sin. Go for it.
SPEAKER_01:I think he was one of them. I'm not totally sure. Um and his mom was killed. So can you imagine this poor guy who's gone on to become uh an international star? I'm sure he's got plenty of money, all these Hollywood contacts, very sensible. I think he's right-leaning, though he doesn't totally come out uh and in your face with it. And to say he was inspired by this uh 36-year-old woman at the height of her grieving who did an extraordinary thing. And you know, they say like forgiveness if you can do it releases you. It's a gift you give to yourself, it releases you from harboring resentment and anger and these things that can be corrosive. Like, what a gift she gave to him, which obviously wasn't the intention, but like it has the effect of you know, helping others when you do an extraordinary act of kindness.
SPEAKER_02:Any quick thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_15:Uh other than um, I don't know, every time you see that the Erica Kirk one of her forgiving, it doesn't even seem real, but or she doesn't even she doesn't even it is it seems like a show.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it totally is. Um and I did and people pick up on this. There's no tears, there's no realness, yeah. There's no realness to what's going on.
SPEAKER_15:It's like an acting acting job.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Even to the spiritually discerning, you go, the Lord is not in this. Yeah. Now you'll notice Megan Kelly goes on to say, yeah, it's a gift you give to yourself. That's right. We live in terrible times when everything comes back to ourselves. Satan knows all the humble words, she knows all the humble words, but Tim Allen wasn't convicted by the Holy Spirit of sin. You see, the offense of the cross is what's missing. Was Tim Allen going, man, I've held on to this sin forever. I've not had a relationship with Jesus Christ because I wouldn't forgive these people. Has he done any of that? No. Of course not. So what you have is not you don't have Jesus. You you just have waves of emotion going through. Somebody forgives somebody, and then somebody else does that. It's kind of like if you're an old folks' home and you go, My elbow hurts, and the person can say, Well, my knee hurts, and then it's just going to increase. It's all about self. It's just reflecting and bouncing off of each other. There's nothing about Tim Allen's forgiveness that comes from the living God, conviction of the Holy Spirit, the confession of sin. Look, it's a sin not to forgive somebody. It is a damnable sin. Jesus says, if you don't forgive, I'm not going to forgive you, right? That that's like pretty serious black and white, right? Yes, very black and white. So did anybody tell Tim Allen, okay, how long did he say that he held on to a grudge? Was it 60 years? 60 years, I thought is what he said. Yeah. So do we have 60 years of people telling him you were damned to hell because you wouldn't forgive these people? And there and there was nothing about, and what's the beauty of that kind of confrontation? Like if I were to go to Tim Allen and go, you know, you're condemned because you didn't forgive, and he still is for that matter. He hasn't forgiven before God. What he just did was an emotional response to a very emotional situation. And it brought up those memories. And so for his benefit, you can be sure he forgave and he feels a lot better. That's kind of the whole point. With Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ comes to deal with our sin. He would have come to Tim Allen and said, you're damnable until you repent. And then he would have gone, well, well, he then he probably would have got mad at God. And so you continue to wrestle things out. Then you begin to humble yourself, and then you begin examining scripture, and then you go deeper and deeper with the hatred and the animosity that was there. Do you see any of the sufferings of Jesus Christ? It's all through scripture that we're told we have to participate in. Peter says in flat out, if we don't suffer against sin, we're not forgiven. Tim Allen is not forgiven for the hatred. And of course, I'm not gonna get to turning point USA. They're off onto some kind of dark work that's going on here that God's bringing about. Any comments on any of that, Jacob? No, it's pretty clear. Well, let's look at Galatians 5.7 real quickly, because turning point USA is not only just a reflection of the false Christianity that's been coming up for years, in fact, the Christianity that kind of drove us from the city of Enum Claw. So you've got this false Christianity that's moving forward and it just keeps building and building. Well, Galatians 5.7 predicted it and told us about it. Paul says, you were running a good race. So you can lose it, your salvation. You can lose your relationship with God. You can block it, you can stop it, you can walk away by joining and being a part of Turning Point USA or any of these movements. You are running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? You see the difference here? They talk about praying and they talk about reading the Bible and they talk about God's word, but they never talk about obeying the truth. Because once you lay down the word obedience, then we can start going through all of the scriptures and go, oh, you're gonna obey that, you're gonna obey that. These people are not ready for what it really means to be crucified with Christ. Galatians 5.8. That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. When you look at the marketing, when you look at the music, when you look at the idolatry, really, and the fireworks that are going off, and the razzle and dazzle, really, no, we can't see through that kind of persuasion, doesn't come from God.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, they came to Jesus and said, do miracles for us, and he goes, I tell you, no miracle is going to be done for you. Jesus would often, scripture says, go and hide himself. That kind of persuasion, razzle dazzle, the fancy dress, the jewelry, the success stories, the success stories. They're always saying, Tim Ellen's become this great contact, and Charlie Kirk created a hundred million dollar uh movement, and she's a CEO and she's this and she can speak these languages. That's not a persuasion that's of Jesus Christ. No. First of all, Paul says if he's going to boast, he's going to boast about the things that show his weakness. Now that all kind of gets mixed in there. I mean, these pastors don't just yet, not yet anyway, go all the way out. But this is really moving it forward. That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. Verse 9 gave us the warning a long time ago. I've been watching it happening for, well, I 40 years at least. Galatians 5, 9, a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough. Why do you think Prosecutor Simmons wanted to destroy Christmas so bad? If he could just get in there and destroy the joy of Jesus Christ and giving to the poor, if he could take that element, I know it sounds bizarre, but that's what went on. Then once that little break happens, then the yeast just begins to spread. And before long, we're all joining Turning Point USA. A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough. Comes in small, comes in slight. And it's just a little bit of yeast, and given enough heat and the right situation, it begins to expand. Galatians 5:10. I'm confident in the Lord that you will take no other view, the one who is throwing you into confusion. Well, there's the problem, and that's the great delusion that's coming. There's no confusion. These people aren't confused, like, well, is this right? I mean, it's not like they have the basis of the message of the cross and the full message of the gospel of the cross, and they understood what that was about. And then all of a sudden, Charlie Kirk comes along and it's a different kind of message, and it's it doesn't quite match up. And there's this confusion going on. You follow what I'm saying, Jacob? Correct. Years ago, this would have been true. But the real gospel, the full gospel, the complete gospel is so far hidden somewhere else that now everybody thinks completely backwards about what Jesus Christ is about. I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. Brothers, if I'm still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case, the offense of the cross has been abolished. Let me put this in today's terms. Brothers, if I'm still preaching razzle dazzle, entertainment, no-tier confessions of sins that are just fitting it in and easy to do, then why am I still being persecuted? See, there's the persecution here with turning point and all of this stuff is really just one political movement against another. It's Democrat against Republican. That's really all it is. Yes. You I think you even have people on the Democrats like claim to be Christians but do all their vile things. This is no different if you have the eyesight of Jesus Christ. What's missing is, and let me quote Paul, Galatians 5 11, in that case, the offense of the cross has been abolished. It's the offense that's missing. The only people offended by this are those on the left. That's not the offense of the cross. Correct. That's just Pharisee against Sadducee kind of thing. So the turning point USA does not present the offense of the cross. You wouldn't draw the crowds. And I won't go into like just one thing you have to obey. Well, let's do one thing. Anything you want to say before I go on to one thing you have to obey? No. Okay, play play three testify, and then we're going to look at a Pharisee meeting a Sadducee or a Sadducee meeting a Pharisee.
SPEAKER_04:Three things testify to the power of God in equal measure. Three things testify to the salvation of God. Three things testify to true or false Christians. What saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ? What's equal to the blood of Jesus? What three things testify to the power of God? 1 John 5.10. Anyone who believes the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his son. Let us see. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness. www.consider.info.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, in this next clip, Jacob, we're gonna see Charlie Kirk answer a question. Now he's the Sadducee.
SPEAKER_13:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:And the other guy asking the question, really, kid, is your typical Pharisee. Now, do you know what the difference is between a Sadducee and a Pharisee?
SPEAKER_15:Uh they believed slightly different things, you know, some believe in angels, some believe in resurrection of the dead, et cetera, et cetera.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. The bottom line is the Sadducees didn't believe in anything, and the Pharisees believed in everything about the law. So watch this question, and then we're gonna discuss it. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_09:Charlie, in order to be saved, do I need to be baptized?
SPEAKER_12:The Bible is split on that. What do you think? Well, the one person that we know that entered eternal life, which was Jesus on the cross and the criminal next to him on the cross, was guaranteed eternal life and was not baptized.
SPEAKER_09:Here's what I have to say about that. The thief on the cross. Sure, he didn't get baptized, but I will argue that the thief on the cross was under the old covenant by the time that he died. Because Jesus Christ had not yet died yet. He had not yet been buried or resurrected yet. And so therefore, I believe the thief wasn't under the new covenant yet. And so, and because Jesus Christ was on earth, he had the power, he had the ability to forgive sins while he was on earth.
SPEAKER_12:So, yeah, I guess the hypothetical is this. If somebody is on their deathbed and they're 91 years old and they give their life to Jesus and they haven't yet been baptized, do you think God would deny them entrance into eternal life?
SPEAKER_09:Uh uh give that reason, give the hypothetical again.
SPEAKER_12:Someone's on their deathbed, they're 91 years old. 91 years old, and they legitimately give their life to Christ. What does that look like? A true the sinner's prayer, meaning it, believing it. I am a sinner, I'm broken, I live my life in distance from God, in sin. I believe Jesus is my Lord and Savior. He's entered into my life, the Holy Spirit comes, full transformation, but there's really not an opportunity to baptize that person. Would God deny them entrance into heaven?
SPEAKER_09:Oh wow. Putting me on the tough spot here. Here's what I'm gonna say, Charlie. This man, this hypothetical 91-year-old man who's on his deathbed, had his whole life to figure out whether or not he wanted to live for Christ. And for him to decide just last minute, I don't think it's enough.
SPEAKER_12:Okay, well, I disagree. Well, because again, I'll just go back to the one example we know of the criminal next to Jesus that lived a terrible life. He believed Christ was the Lord and he was guaranteed eternal life. And so, again, it's not up for me to determine, it's up for God to determine. I believe that mercy is accessible for all people at all times, regardless of their stage of life.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, Jacob.
SPEAKER_15:Do you want to dive in? No, you can go ahead. Kid had a valid point. Did he have a valid point, you think?
SPEAKER_02:Uh he did have a semi-valid point, yeah. Really. So, and I'm just having fun with you now. So he had a valid point that, you know, that was all Jesus, he was he just happened to get nailed down. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_15:I was I'm sorry. He had a valid point about the 91-year-old that the 90s because we're talking about deathbed conversions. He says the 91-year-old had his whole life to decide pretty I don't remember the exact words, to believe in Jesus or not. And at the very last minute, he's like, Yeah, I don't think that's enough. It is true that the 91-year-old dude then what has been rejecting, supposedly been rejecting Jesus. You know, anyways, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it it's it's all wrong. It's all wrong. You know, it has a semblance of sure mercy, kindness, discussion, Bible talk. But this is the blind leading the blind. This literally is the Sadducee um Kirk or whatever his name is, um, Charlie Kirk. Sure. Uh not really believing the baptism's that important. Sure. Because it's totally wrong answer, like, well, the Bible's conflicted on it. That's not an answer. That's a waffle and a half. Correct. That's really like, yeah, no, it's not really that important. That's really what he wanted to say. Correct. If you understand, yeah, heat power water baptism, you cannot answer that question that way.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, because he's on the side of once saved, always saved, believers' prayer. I think even throughout the term believer's prayer, sinner's prayer, that you say the you say the sinner's prayer and you are good.
SPEAKER_02:And never mind, the sinner's prayer is not in scripture. It's not in any example that it's not written at that. This is totally made up by this smiling Jack Jesus, move away from scripture, talk about the word of God, but let's just not obey anything. Sure.
SPEAKER_15:Well, I mean, that you can cherry-pick verses. I'm not saying the entire sinner's prayer, because different people have also different prayers should be prayed. People say, you know, uh, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Therefore, if you call on him once, then you're saved. I mean, people throw out stuff like this.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's absolutely true. What you're really witnessing here is ignorance. Sure. Remember at one point Charlie throws out the whole scenario about the 91-year-old, and he goes, hmm, man, you really got me. I'm really cornered.
SPEAKER_15:You put you said you put me on this, I think you put me on the spot here. Tough spot. He said tough the spot. The kid, the Asian kid.
SPEAKER_02:Correct. Yeah. And I'm thinking that should be a first self-analysis question that you go for. Sure. In other words, when I was reading scripture way back when, when I was a wet pup, you know, I'd come to okay, well, is he saved? Is he not saved? How does this go? What if he's on his deathbed? I mean, this only shows me how the church has dumbed down the church. Sure. Because this is a totally new question for him. Yeah. And he thinks it's an astounding trap question. Like, well, I'm really gonna have to think this one through. Sure. And we're seeing that the same thing with the wow woman that somehow taxes and welfare aren't good. And when have they ever been good? Sure. I mean, and people, oh yeah, I want to go back to church because I want to feed the homeless. You get the idea. Yeah. All right. Number one, let's let's let's take the kid for a moment. He makes the statement that the thief on the cross was between the two covenants. You had the old covenant, you had the new covenant. He just got it. Well, unfortunate or fortunate day depends how you look at it. Trapped between the two covenants. Really? That's what he was saying, right?
SPEAKER_15:That's what he's saying. Yes. That was his explanation.
SPEAKER_02:So then Noah wasn't baptized in water. The old covenant points to water everywhere.
SPEAKER_15:Yes, it does. Yeah. Passes underneath the water.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, now we're up to Moses.
SPEAKER_15:Baptized in Moses. Yeah, uh passed underneath the water, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And the offerings and the sacrifices had to be washed with. You want to call out? Water. Water. Jesus, when he came to be baptized by John the Baptist, said, Let us do to fulfill all righteousness. Jacob, when you die, or when I die, and I begin to go through the gates to embrace Jesus and weep and fall at his feet, will he not flow through me all his righteousness and make everything that is not proper for heaven? He will either crucify it and put it to death and make me into a new creation, and I'll receive the grace to be righteous in everything and obedient to all to God. Yes, that will happen. Do you not think there's water in heaven? Yes. Do you not think he Jesus is going to take him over and get him baptized? Yes. It is to fulfill all righteousness. There is this no old covenant, new covenant. I mean, it's a word play, everybody goes home. What a waste of time. Sure, yeah. Let me go ahead and just, and we don't have time to get into it all. I encourage people, yes, I'm going to promote another book that I wrote called Even the Demons Believe, that will talk about water baptism, that will talk about a far more than that. In fact, if you want an easy read, it's a short book, but if you want an easy read, don't go there. Go get something from Turning Point USA. Let's go to 1 Peter chapter 3, verse 18, Jacob. And let's do a little sermonette here and do a little bit of looking at the power that goes on. Are we ready?
SPEAKER_15:We're ready.
SPEAKER_02:For Christ died for sins once and for all. Amen. Everybody would say that the righteous for the unrighteous. Triple Amen to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the Spirit, through whom he also went and preached to the spirits in prison. Amen. Hallelujah. Now look at verse 20. Who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built? Now, what is this next sentence? What does it say? In it, only a few people, eight and all, were saved through water. And this water, verse 21, this water. Peter's not talking about the water of Noah. Do you and I have a time machine when we can go back, find Noah, get into the ark, and be baptized in the water?
SPEAKER_15:No.
SPEAKER_02:No. He's talking about our baptism, the water baptism taught correctly, done correctly, done by the power of the Holy Spirit. First Peter chapter 3, verse 21. Go ahead and read the whole thing, Jacob.
SPEAKER_15:And this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also, not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02:Well, did we catch that? Water baptism, how does it get its power to save us? It is the salvation message. It's not the believer's prayer. The believer's prayers after you begin to call upon the name of the Lord as you walk each day as a disciple following Jesus Christ. Water baptism, the power of being immersed in water and being baptized in water, how does it get its power from? Where does it draw the power from, Jacob?
SPEAKER_15:Uh it's from the pledge of a good conscience towards God. Oh, it comes from the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Right.
SPEAKER_02:It comes from the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Think about those words. And does that reflect anything they were talking about? No. Did Charlie Kirk go, man, water baptism is where it's at, it where it begins, it's where it all starts, it all comes together. First, you're convicted, you count the cost, those things you come down. And then if you really decide that you want Jesus Christ, if you sat down and count the cost, if you're willing to hate your father and your mother, your brother and your sister, and even your own life, and you were willing to give up everything to follow him, then you can be water baptized. No, he did not say that. Not even close. Not he didn't even suggest it. No.
SPEAKER_15:You only got to do a prayer. That's always it. You got to do a prayer.
SPEAKER_02:That's it. That's simple. First Peter chapter 3, verse 22 goes on to say, who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand with angels, authorities, and powers in submission to him. All of this is wrapped around what event? Jacob. Water baptism. Talking about Noah. They're all one. Yeah, I feel sorry for the kid. I mean, he he's I recognize him, I recognize myself and him, young, eager, analyzing the whole bit. That's not just to ridicule him, but Charlie Kirk didn't help him, and he's off trapped in some circle of logic, never quite figuring out that clearly if I'm in the North Pole and it's, you know, minus whatever, and you can't even walk outside without dying, and the person is dying, they'll go to heaven if they truly give themselves to God. Not in the Charlie Kirk way, that's just nonsense, but in a really holy way, and the person will be forgiven. And then guess what? In a heaven, we obey everything, and anything that's not complete in my life that is holy, God will make holy there. And if water baptism is missing because it couldn't be done, not because I've rebelled against doing it, he will make it right. The essence of what turning point USA is, and they do have they divided off their divisions from you can be turning point faith and then not or whatever. What but obviously what's coming out very loud and clear is this is a Christian movement. What it is is John chapter 6, verse 15. Go ahead and go to that, Jacob. We're gonna let you read this because this is this is nothing new. It's just now you have the mechanisms to make this a worldwide event, to advertise it, to create emotions, uh a group mentality, a sporting event, all the emotions of a rock concert, whatever gets people kind of moving. Um, in John chapter 6, verse 15, read that for us, Jacob.
SPEAKER_15:Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.
SPEAKER_02:They're trying to make him king by force. That's what this is about. That somehow Jesus is going to save America. It's kind of obvious. Um go ahead and play this next clip because it explains it in more detail, but I'm not going to discuss it beyond the clip.
SPEAKER_05:The host, Timothy, is not a United States of America Christian. Timothy is not a Republican, Democrat, libertarian, or independent Christian. If Timothy were, God would be ashamed of him. Timothy would be an embarrassment in heaven if he were a flag waving, red, white, and blue. God, family, country, apple pie, United States of America Christian. God flatly stated such, and it's recorded in the Bible. Hebrews 11, verse 13 through 16. All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised. They only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, and they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they're looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. The Consider Podcast at www.consider.info examining today's events and tomorrow's realities.
SPEAKER_02:Kind of self-explanatory, isn't it, Jacob? Mm-hmm. There's no fixing America. America is going to be judged. Turning point should be calling. I don't even want to say that because they'll start mocking the words. You get my point. The turning point gospel is no gospel at all. It has reflections of scripture and things like that, but it is a political movement pulling in religious dogma and ideas and concepts. It's not about the true gospel. Play this next clip and we'll bring this into focus and then we probably got to wrap things up for today anyway.
SPEAKER_03:How many people on earth this last week became a Christian on the killing field? They saw Charlie Kirk and they thought, you know, I wasn't a Christian before, but I think I understand what it means to be a Christian today.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, Jacob, but there's a lot of places to go with this one. First of all, Glenn Blackbeck is Mormon. Yeah, he's not even Christian. He's not a Christian himself.
SPEAKER_15:He's not even evangelical Christian.
SPEAKER_02:It's no wonder he kind of likes this because they analyze Joseph Smith. Sure. They follow people. That's what they normally do. To say you're on the killing field, isn't that what he said? Killing fields?
SPEAKER_15:I think he said, yeah, something like that. I think it's because everyone sees Charlie Kirk getting killed. So then, like, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:And they're on the field, so they're having this emotional response.
SPEAKER_15:Yeah, because you see it happen. We've seen this happened. I wasn't a Christian, but man, I I should be. I think that's what he's saying.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. And okay, so you're on the killing fields. This uh emotional thing is going on. You're not a crit, he's not a Christian himself. He's not even presenting the gospel. So these people just in their minds, this crowd of people go, you know what? Worldwide, I've decided to become a Christian because I understand what it's all about. Man, a lie. You just took out the whole New Testament and threw it away, threw it away. Yeah. This isn't a matter of twisting scripture or somehow this is like no scripture at all. Yeah. Play it, play it one more time and then let's turn to scripture.
SPEAKER_03:How many people on earth this last week became a Christian on the killing field? They saw Charlie Kirk and they thought, you know, I wasn't a Christian before, but I think I understand what it means to be a Christian today.
SPEAKER_15:They definitely don't know what it means to be a Christian, if that's yeah.
SPEAKER_02:To be a Christian means, okay. You get rich, you start a political movement. What are you fighting?
SPEAKER_15:You're fighting for you're fighting for America, I guess. Literally. Yeah. That's you know, because you're because you're fighting the the woke uh woke movement.
SPEAKER_02:Getting married, having kids, wife, kids, all that kind of fits. I mean, this is just like nothing, like walking along the air, and somebody goes, oh man, I miss, you know, so-and-so. Well, he was Baptist. Okay, I'm gonna become Baptist too. That that's a lot. Galatians 1, 6. And I'm astonished. That's that's how the scripture begins. So you listen to Glenn Beck over here, and I go, What? And uh, you gotta back up, take your breath, and go, not only did you say words, but you said nothing in those words. And that worldwide, worldwide, there was not the movement of the Holy Spirit and not the conviction of God's word, and not people crying out and as in Acts, where they said, What shall we do? Because they're convicted of sin. They're walking on the fields where Charlie Kirk was killed and said, You know what? I think, you know, I rolled around in my head that I understand what being a Christian is, so I'm a Christian. Yeah. Play it again, because again, I'm astonished. Listen, listen to it carefully and understand that he Glenbeck just announced around the world that this form of Christianity is legit.
SPEAKER_03:How many people on earth this last week became a Christian on the killing field? They saw Charlie Kirk and they thought, you know, I wasn't a Christian before, but I think I understand what it means to be a Christian today.
SPEAKER_02:Talk about idolatry. Can you imagine? Uh, well, that's what Prosecutor Simmons tried to do, that somehow I sit up in front of the church and said, Yeah, look at me, and now I'm sure you want to become a Christian. Yeah. In fact, I doubt most people look at my life and go, Yeah, I want that too. Either that or you don't know what's taking place in my life. Galatians 1, 6, I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ. Again, these people in Galatians at least understood what the message is. Part of the problem is that people just don't know what the message is anymore. So they're vulnerable is not even the word. They're being taken in. It's not even Satan finds it easy. There's nothing to con. Correct. It'd be like, you know, your daughter believes in fairies. So you tell her, yeah, there's fairies there and there. Well, she's not going to think she's being taken in, correct?
SPEAKER_15:Correct.
SPEAKER_02:I'm astonished that you're so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ. You see, this is all a modern moving event. This is a modern, you know, what am I? What were the words? Entertainment thing that I'm looking for is what's going on. Um, called you by the grace of God and are turning to a different gospel. Folks, this is a completely different gospel. And the odds are you've probably been taken in little by little by this particular gospel. One way or another, the church has been worn down. And Paul goes on to say in Galatians 1, 7, which is really no gospel to all. This is no gospel at all. All this wow, all this wobbing excitement is not a gospel at all. It's opposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Look, if they want, Turning Point wants to drop the gospel thing, all right, go for it. But the minute you bring in Jesus Christ, then the truth has to be told. He goes on to say, evidently, some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. There's a perversion taking place here. We're not going to be able to go all the way into it today. That'll be next time we record. But he goes on to say, this is how serious this is, Galatians 1.8. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than one we preach to you, let him be eternally condemned. As we have already said, so now I say again, if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned. Galatians 1 10 says, Am I now trying to win the approval of men or of God? See, the problem is if you preach the true gospel, you cannot draw these numbers of crowds. Correct. It will not happen. Give me 15 minutes, Jacob. You think I need that long and just preach some few obedient things that need to happen before they all run me out of town or run me out of the arena or whatever. What do you think? 15 minutes, 10 minutes? How long do you think it'd take? 15 to 20. 20 minutes. All right, I'll take 20 minutes. Am I now trying to win the approval of men or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. Everything about these people is to draw in as many people as you can. It is a people-pleasing movement, and the result is what we see. Any comments or anything, Jacob?
SPEAKER_15:No.
SPEAKER_02:I think we've gone on long enough for today.
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