The Consider Podcast
The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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Hosts: Timothy and Jacob
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American Christians
A Christmas rap song
Rainbow flags and curtains
Family members who are enemies
Poor Box persecution
All of this and more on The Consider Podcast in December 2025.
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Thank you for choosing us for your airline this Christmas day. It's Spiritual Airlines. We hope you're enjoying your flight. Your pilot is currently cruising at 35,000 feet for your comfort. However, we kindly ask you to return your seats, fasten your seatbelts, stow your trays, and hand your drinks to the stewards, as we're encountering significant headwinds while entering Washington State. For your contemplation, we will be discussing the idol labeled Timothy Williams, American Christians, a Christmas rap song, rainbow flags and curtains, family members who are enemies, and Poor Box Persecution. All of this and more on the Consider Podcast in December, 2025.
SPEAKER_02:Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness. More information can be found at www.consider.info. Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.
SPEAKER_03:How's it going, Jacob, on this rainy river of rain that uh Washington is experiencing? It's going good. You know, one time I opened my mouth and then I realized it was wrong. You know how you ever do that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did that one time. But anyway, you say something, then you you kind of go, well, why now why'd I say that? It's completely wrong, or you you kind of laugh at yourself, or really what you should do is just defend yourself and say no, it's right no matter what, and break relationships, friendships, and that's right. Oh, really? That's what you should do is always hold on to your pride. Yeah, you gotta keep that self-esteem intact even as you are dumb and stupid. Anyway, got a question for you. Okay. How difficult would it be to make for you to make me your idol?
SPEAKER_04:How difficult would I mean for for me, as in you? Or you're talking me.
SPEAKER_03:You know who you are.
SPEAKER_04:You're Jacob. Yeah, Jacob. And you know who I am as Timothy. So to make Timothy my idol. How difficult would that be? Uh it's not difficult to make anything an idol.
SPEAKER_03:You're being way too philosophical. Okay, you know me as a person, right? So an idol is something you fashion, you like, you get something from it. People don't fashion idols for things that they don't like. Oh, yeah, correct. All right, so based on myself, my character, personality.
SPEAKER_04:So would you put up with this? No, you would not put up with yourself being fashioned into an idol for me.
SPEAKER_03:Ah man, you you've been well too versed in scripture, because that's where I'm headed. Okay. I was talking with somebody the other day, and they made the comment and said, Yeah, you know, it's my idolatry of you, I guess I gotta deal with. So something along those lines, right? And then we both burst out laughing at each other like, oh, that was the dumbest statement. I go, Yeah, go ahead. Make me your idol. That'll last about three seconds till I say something you hate my guts for. Yeah. You know, because of the truth. Exactly. So you are absolutely correct. It it I'm not. Well, if I was wanting idol worship, I'm a complete failure on that level, completely. Play the clip, and it's exactly what you said.
SPEAKER_08:Timothy Williams. A possible idol in your life? Timothy Williams as your future guru? Timothy Williams as in the trap of following as a man? Hey, go for it. Give it a try. See if you can walk into those traps. Go ahead. See how long that worked for you. You deserve your coming punishment. 2 Corinthians 10, 5 and 6. We demolished arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God. And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience once your obedience is complete. The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness. www.consider.info.
SPEAKER_03:It's kind of ironic over the years when people fall away or decide the cross gets, you know, a little bit too rough for them and God gets very personal in their lives saying, Yeah, I want to deal with this. They always they kind of leave saying, Oh, I didn't want to follow a man, or he wants to be followed. And they make this accusation that somehow I would tolerate, like, put in place this idolatry and just form this, I don't know, congregation, this love fest toward me. It's it's I'm only mentioning it just to kind of move forward into this stuff. That's insane. First of all, I would rebuke it, I would demolish it, I would destroy it, and I have. This is not like I'm saying I have. I have done this in the past with people. The truth is, most people want a man to lead them in an idolatry kind of way. Sure. Uh they but they want somebody they can mold and fashion, and he preaches the right words and says the right things. Even that can even be, well, let's let's have just enough of the message of the cross, but not enough that it actually crucifies me or have to live it. So there's a whole gamma, but people are choosing pastors and teachers, and a lot of times the people are dead because then you can just tolerate them on your own terms as you read their materials or listen to sermons and that kind of thing. Any comment on that? I I just thought that ought to be clarified that A, if I'm after a type of worship where people lialize me, I've completely failed. And go ahead, try, try to do that, and you see what happens, how I will respond to something like that. I know, that's clear. Okay, I found on the web, you know, there's I don't know how many billions of different videos out there. I found the average American Christian.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:This is an American Christian, and um, this is what they look like and who they are and how they behave. This is how they pray. You know, everybody messes up their life. They they've done stupid stuff, and and that can be anywhere from I don't know, I was a bad father to, you know, I did meth or whatever. Just do your gamma of everybody wants those things they want to clean up, right? Yeah. I found the average Christian that sits in the church or comes to the gospel or whatever the gospel is of that church, or the most pathetic one is in the Bibles that'll say how to be saved or how to read your Bible. It's like, and they're all worthless. So anyway, go ahead and play this. This is the average Christian.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, but I don't care. It's gonna work.
SPEAKER_06:No, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:What do you think, Jacob? Pretty funny. It is. She goes through the the whole gamma what you see first, just like it's hopeless, I'm dying.
SPEAKER_04:You know. First she's scared. She's just scared, yes. Oh no, oh no, it's not working. How am I gonna look to everybody?
SPEAKER_03:How am I gonna look? Why'd I do this? I really messed up. And then then, of course, she resorts to prayer. Yes. So she gets the prayer in there.
SPEAKER_04:Well, was it praying or she well, she was just hoping. I mean, I didn't hear like uh uh Lord Jesus help, but she's got her hands folded.
SPEAKER_03:Well, she started praying, you know. Okay. Now, again, you bring up a good point. I'm saying this is the average Christian. You don't necessarily have to invoke Jesus and the whole thing. Sure. But she's praying to God, like, and then she goes, Why is this happening? Yeah, you know, now you're blaming God. Now you're asking the question. And by the way, this is nothing against this little girl. She's a little girl. This is this is fully what I would expect. In fact, I would have had a hard time just laughing at the whole, you know, if I was in the bathroom watching mom clean this up. Yeah, it's a hilarious video. It is hilarious. Uh go to Hebrews chapter 5, verse 12, because that's the average Christian. Yeah, I come along with scripture and say, Yeah, you gotta hate and despise money. Well, they do, they throw a fit, they cry, they won't listen. And all they're really concerned about is a little bit of stain or black on their face or whatever it is they want cleaned up. They're essentially throwing doubtless fits, and then they never go beyond once they're cleaned up. Like her joy was like, oh, and she's laughing and giggling. I wish I could, you know, have that kind of reaction. And people go up to this point, but now doesn't she have generations to grow up now?
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So we shouldn't see this behavior when she's 18, although you might because she's a girl growing up or 25, let's say, right? You should see a maturity process. Yes. Certainly in terms of scripture, certainly in terms of a relationship with God, your prayers become more sophisticated. Now we all start here. I mean, when somebody very few people actually are baptized that are mature at that point. In fact, they might know the scriptures, they might have had a deep tradition of growing up in the church, but God will have to tear that all down, and so you wind up becoming a child all over again. That's what scripture says, right? Um but we're talking to American Christians here, and I'm including myself in this. We're we're so pampered, yeah, so babied that if there's even any discussion about doctrine or whatever, we quote one or two little scriptures here, or we just remain at this infantile level and think that I don't know. There was a video the other day of a football team praying on the the field, you know, the football field, and the guys commenting saying, Oh, this is amazing, we're cleaning up football. I mean, it's that's infantile talk. Yeah. Uh or the one that especially is where America's gonna be great again, it's gonna be a Christian uh nation again. That's all childish, foolish behavior. Yeah, and you can't even well, you you're raising kids. You know, if you try to bring up a topic, what what's kind of one reaction you get right up front? If you try to tell a kid not to do something? Not necessarily. It can be anything the child doesn't know. I mean, they kind of ask why.
SPEAKER_04:Every kid wants to know why if it's something they don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Correct. And it varies from child to child, or a lot of times if I talk with somebody like that and a child asks me, they'll just get quiet. Sure. You know, just kind of get intimidated and just shut up. Well, isn't that most American Christians? Yes. Again, for all the things that we went through that they're horrendous. At the end of the day, I'm an American Christian. Sure. Yeah. There are people in serious suffering. I get into heaven, I'm not even gonna really mention it. God will have it in mind because he's a god of justice. But you know, I'm not gonna run into heaven going, hey, I was run out of the city of Enum Claw. I mean, it was horrendous, don't get me wrong. Sure. But uh okay, how many times was Paul ran out of town? He was beaten and so on. Hebrews 5, 12. I've done a lot of talking. Jacob, go ahead and just for we're gonna have to kind of move forward, read 12 through 14.
SPEAKER_04:In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food. Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
SPEAKER_03:We've covered this before, but one of the reasons there's so much sin in the church, and especially among those who claim to be in leadership, or even those that are just preaching on campus or whatever, it's just all milk toast arguments, uh, is because they're just infants. They they the church does the church even have the basics of how you come to Jesus and sitting down and counting the cost down? They don't even have a solid foundation, right? Correct. I mean, would you go build uh buy a builder who only builds a halfway foundation or just a little bit of a foundation or a looking good foundation? No. No, you want an expert builder, you want to be sure that foundation is solid. Even among those who say, well, we baptize or whatever, there what where's the rest of the living word of God surrounding that event? Usually it's a matter of you're just trying to bring somebody to as a member of the church rather than them really becoming a disciple. In fact, again, there was somebody else, can't think of his name, popular podcaster, and it's announced that he's reading the Bible once a week. Man, that's that's infantile talk. In the first place, becoming a disciple of Jesus is the most important thing you can do. I mean, it has serious, obviously eternal consequences to it, one way or another, right? Yeah. And Jesus is emphatic that we should sit down and count the cost. We should think about it. Or the man that finds the treasure in the field, what is he told to do? He or what does he do? He buries it so that nobody knows about it, then he goes and sells everything he has, then goes and gets the treasure. So by announcing, like, well, Joe Rogan's studying the Bible, or this other guy is studying the Bible, or they're all looking at this, or they might become Christians. You've opened this up to a whole world of speculation and noise, and then you get moved along by the crowd, and then you get 15 other different positions about, well, this is what this scripture means and that means, and then by the time the person actually becomes a Christian or states that they want to do that, they're so motivated by the people and the noise around them, they can't taste the pure word of God as Peter talks about. Any amen on that one, Jacob? Amen. The important thing is in verse 14, but solid food is for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. I think it's easy to tell from my life. Uh it's been a constant use of the living word of God, right? Correct. And the sword that is the Holy Spirit's sword, which is the word of God, so that I'm able to distinguish between good from evil. Most people can't. Yeah. Alright. Well, this is Christmas time. Yes, it is. And is technically this is supposed to be our Christmas show. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't I didn't quite know this was like the official.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, that's my upbeat introduction. That's my happy holiday. Let's all be happy. Yeah. Um, so I had a rap song written. Okay. You know, our rap song guy. Yeah. Um, and again, I, you know, I throw out some scriptures and ideas, but by no means am I putting together the lyrics, the beats, and he does a great job. Now, I'm I must note here, go ahead and play this note, that the stuff that we're looking at, if you're on certain social media platforms, they may nix this because it's a song and it competes with what they're trying to promote. So I encourage you to come by the website. We'll first play the note and then we'll get into and play the rap.
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SPEAKER_03:Thoughts, Jacob? It's pretty good. Pretty good. See, clearly he's not in the United States because he says whatever the West brings about. So when we talk about trees and Santa and a lot of that kind of stuff, not every country goes along with that. Correct. I know King County prosecutors will be upset because they want and demand everybody worship their way, which obviously involves Santa Claus, family fun, food, and fat. Correct?
SPEAKER_04:Correct.
SPEAKER_03:Now there, you know, there's a lot of debate out there, and debate's a strong word. That means you actually make a position and then we debate it back. That's kind of what part of sometimes when we fellowship, you and I recognize, well, we're debating this, so we we go at it and sharpen, and I don't know. Sometimes we walk away going, well, we're both wrong, partly right, or we don't really know. And a lot of it is, well, we don't really care at the end of the day because all that matters is the word of God. Correct. In 2 Corinthians chapter 7, verse 1, it really tells us that there is no debate about Christmas. In other words, if somebody wants to say that Jesus was born on December 25th, okay, fine. That that's your choice. Romans tells us that one man considers one day special, another man doesn't. For me, every day is pretty much the same. Other people have all of their supposed to be holy days. That was the original meaning of holiday. But the main point here is that it's not a question of whether you choose December 25th, it's how you do December 25th. It's the impurity that's associated with Christmas that is wrong. So let's forget this whole kind of dumb debate. It's really a childish debate. You know, the tree points toward heaven and the star points here. We're going to hear her see in a moment. They've left a few things out. And of course, the presents under the tree. I'm not even sure where they go with that because you're supposed to bring presents to Jesus, not to each other, right?
SPEAKER_04:I think a lot of Christians nowadays are not a lot of them, I don't think, are even pushing the like Christmas is this super holy thing. They just say it's like the time of remembrance, and then obviously uh, you know, everybody worships family and the idolatry of family, and that's all then Christmas is. You know, and it's right on the heels of Thanksgiving. I mean, Thanksgiving is just an excuse to uh everyone gets together and has a good time and eats turkey. Uh Christmas is just the excuse that everybody gets together and does presents and does whatever, and you know, it's just it's just idolatry. I I think a lot of Christians don't even actually really justify it anymore.
SPEAKER_03:That's correct. They don't they don't even bother anymore. It's like they're children. I got presents under the tree. Yeah, I got food, I got sports, uh, we got family, we got what we want. In fact, we're gonna get into that whole family thing here in just a minute. Second Corinthians chapter seven, verse one. Since we have these promises, dear friends. Friends, it says, Let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates a body and spirit. So it doesn't matter if it's, you know, how people say, Well, God knows my heart. Yeah. I don't know what that means in terms of Christmas when I watch a Christmas special or sit on Santa's lap. God knows my heart. I again, I hear you. People aren't justifying anything. But the point is, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit. God wants everything. That's why we discussed tattoos last time and outward things of how we dress and what we do. But read that second part or the last part there, Jacob of 7-1. What does it say? Perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. Perfecting holiness. That's the Christian walk. That's the life of a disciple. We're supposed to be, as 1 Peter 1.15 says, we won't go read it today, that we're supposed to be holy in everything we do just because God is holy. So it doesn't matter whether it's Christmas or I don't know, the Easter bunny, that's that's probably even worse than Christmas, although I don't know. Um we're supposed to be separate from all of those things in Jesus Christ. So now we become separate. Like I haven't done Christmas and well, I can't even remember. And that was not an easy withdrawal thing. Don't get anybody get the idea, like, oh okay, I just we had fantastic Christmases when I was a kid growing up. My parents weren't Christians. Um I was alive back when Japan actually produced very, very cheap toys that you could buy, but they were extremely high quality. So my Christmases, I'd walk out and the whole living room was filled with presents. So when God led me into this and we and I said, okay, no more trees and all that stuff, we're going to perfect that. None of this is easy. That if it's easy, quote unquote, you're not picking up the cross. There's nothing easy about the cross. It's a crucifying process. That's what the cross is. So this isn't rules. This isn't me saying, Don't do a tree, don't do this, don't that. I might say those things, but the goal there is to get back before God and let him crucify the flesh that wants all these impure things. Show this next little, and I don't put much stock in this, but it is kind of a fun fact that if you you've got Santa Claus, right? And if you take and move the N to the end of the word Santa, what do you what's it sound like? Satan. Satan's claws. Um I want you to play this next clip, but I don't want you to play it. Okay. It's this is one uh I can't think of her name. The the woman singer Perr, I want to say Perry or whatever. I'll recognize her when I see it again. But the tune sticks in my head. And it'll take some Keith Green songs to get it out of my head. Now that doesn't enter my heart, but it enters my head. And I find myself going, you know, because the jingo's made to track.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um by the way, I usually play Keith Green's song, Cut the Devil Down, and that that pretty much takes care of it. Um by the way, folks, this is not some emotional, you know, Holy Ghost, I'm writhing in the devil's attacking me. I'm not gonna-that's not my point. Oh, yeah. It's just a jingle that sticks in our head. Play, I just have a little bit of us to remind us that the world celebrates, and let's just separate the Christians from Christians for a moment, but doesn't the world and worldliness and commerce and fun and food and toys embrace Christmas? Oh, yeah. Okay. So as Christians then, would we not condemn that? We should. Well, let me ask you a question. Okay. Would you take a rainbow-colored curtain or some type of a drape or whatever and lay it across the pulpit or put it as a banner up in the church right now?
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_03:Why not?
SPEAKER_04:Um, because some churches do, you know, that's the whole like uh lesbo flag thing, you know. Mm-hmm. It's impure. Yeah, it's impure.
SPEAKER_03:It's defiled, correct?
SPEAKER_04:Correct.
SPEAKER_03:In fact, skip the jingle there and go down and show that particular scripture. I kind of have a cross with a a rainbow thing on it, it has the L G B T Q plus, if I got that right.
SPEAKER_04:I think you did.
SPEAKER_03:And nobody's going to well, um when I say nobody, I meant conservative churches, churches still.
SPEAKER_04:I think the Methodist church would embrace this scrap. Oh, well, absolutely. They might use it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, well, yeah, they would glorify in it. But the point is, you and I wouldn't think about, well, let's go ahead and uh uh do this rainbow thing, or would you would a church drape it on their outside sign and just put this rainbow up there and say, join us for Christmas? Would they do that? No. And why not? And this is repeating the same question and answer. Why not?
SPEAKER_04:Uh because well, again, unless you believe that, you know, or unless you want all of the LGBTQ plus people to feel welcome in your church, I guess you would do that. Otherwise you would not, because uh uh Christians should not be LGBTQ plus people.
SPEAKER_03:It's defiled. Yes. The rainbow colors and what they I mean, in Seattle they they paint a crosswalk, and now it's a federal crime to not bow down and respect it. Uh never mind the Christians. So anyway, you don't do it because defiled. Well, what's the difference between that and Christmas? Uh there is nothing. Christmas is defiled with Santa Claus buying commerce. Even the McDonald's had an ad they just did that says this is the most terrible season of the year and it got pulled because of the backlash. I wonder who thought that went up. Who are these people? Uh, they must have gone to college because this is just that's really loony. Anyway, the point is it's defiled. So as Christians or any Christian church, you'd want to purify up that message, correct? Correct. You wouldn't want the tree. Now, the reason this isn't going to happen, of course, because all these unholy pastors want membership and everybody wants the presence, you'd actually lose members. I mean, Sound Doctrine Church never got big to begin with. Um, that's why I guess it was a big old threat to the state of Washington. So if you don't do presents, well, actually, we'll look at it in a moment, or you do poor boxes or whatever, you get run out. Because inside everybody wants and lust for toys, presents, food, fun. They want the last thing they want is denying self, correct? Correct. Now that I've hammered that there, we should do the opposite. What's wrong with the church? This is a side of the issue, and we'll come back to the song here in a moment. Who does the rainbow belong to originally?
SPEAKER_04:Um it was put in the sky as a promise to never destroy the earth again with water.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. It was God's promise to know. So the gay lesbian Q, P T, whatever, stole it, correct?
SPEAKER_04:Yes. Also, uh, and then I'm shocked you don't see this much. Uh Joseph had like a multicolored code.
SPEAKER_03:Good point. Good point.
SPEAKER_04:I'm almost surprised someone hasn't come out and been like, oh, Joseph was gay, but anyways.
SPEAKER_03:But yes, this was years ago when they were pounding it through. Now they don't even have to justify it or not.
SPEAKER_04:But yeah, that's another another uh multicolored. But yes, the rainbow is the original.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. So we wrestle not against flesh and blood, correct? Now most churches and Christians read that is we wrestle not. Oh, sure. As in not.
SPEAKER_04:As in not wrestling.
SPEAKER_03:Well, when you're in a wrestling match, don't you use some of the same moves that your opponent is doing? Um I'm not a big time wrestler, but uh yeah. Well, I mean, there's only so many basic moves you're allowed to use. So that's all I'm saying. So you're right. I we've talked about this before. It's uh in my mind, it's an ugly sport, but that's the Christian life. It's an ugly life. Yes. It really is. The cross is a rough, crucifying thing. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. This is down dirty stuff. Okay, here's what should happen. This this is a proper strategy. Pull up the there's a graphic there, it shows Noah's Ark and a pulpit, and you've got these this rainbow, it's very pretty graphic, actually, draping the pulpit. You can find it there? Yeah. Okay, so what all the Christian churches should do that are opposed, especially to the gay and lesbian stuff, is start putting this everywhere. Make their flag meaningless. Oh sure. Meaning if every church has a rainbow banner flag out on the pole or whatever, then the gay and lesbian stuff starts to become meaningless because it's everywhere. Yeah. And you take back that which they stole. In fact, you can put the graphic kind of as we talk. Uh my idea was there's a flag there, has a very small little Noah's arc in the middle of it all, and there's one on a pole. So you get the idea. Now tell me, is that a totally stupid idea or somewhat reasonable?
SPEAKER_04:Um well uh It will well, it'll backfire only because by the way, if you do this, you're gonna invite persecution in your church because all the gay and lesbos well no, they're gonna fight back now. They want their flag. Oh they're not gonna give up their flag.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. First of all, the the Christian church has to be united. So the only way that would happen is if somebody's figured out how to mark make money from this and market it. Sure. Um you bring up an interesting remember I said, would you drape it outside the church sign? Yeah. Sure I would. That's who I would. I want to attract the gay and lesbian people to church to preach them the gospel. So in that sense, it becomes a holy kind of bait kind of situation. I was just having fun with the idea that if all of a sudden on such and such a date all the churches had this, you know, you paint your parking lot rainbow, you just you paint your church building rainbow. Okay, you want to play that game, say, and we're in a wrestling match. Correct. Guess what we're gonna do? We're gonna go and we're gonna have our own Christian rainbow paint and so on and so forth. Yeah. All right. So much for that almost sounds infantile as I say it, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it sounds fun. Nowadays, uh you know, the it does sound like a uh a fun thing to do. Nowadays, the I believe the gay and lesbians are also like arming themselves though. So maybe like that's it's a joke, but like you know what I mean? These people are so violent. If you do that, they may legitimately come and start like, well, screaming, yelling, throwing, and potentially shooting people.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah. King County prosecutors in Seattle, Washington, when the Christians went downtown to the park to have uh get together, do whatever they were doing, uh the gay and lesbians threatened to kill them and their children. And their children. And the prosecutors did nothing. They just ignored so you know eventually somebody's actually gonna kill because you can't not prosecute that stuff and not expect it to increase in behavior. Eventually, some gay and of course they'll probably let them off and say the Christian incited it. Yeah. The advantage to this is if you had rainbow day, then everybody's wearing rainbow. I look, you're gonna get persecution one way or another. Correct. Well, why not be over something worthwhile than being our pastor fell into sin or there's something stupid like that? Yeah. Okay. I th let's play this the uh you are the reason for the season. Okay. I'm gonna close my ears. And I'm the cult leader. Yeah. I I thought uh should I be up there singing I'm the reason for the season and we all should celebrate?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Sounds great. Actually, this is more truthful and right on in the sales and the whole bit. James 127 says, religion that God our Father accepts is pure and flawless as this. To look after orphans and widows in their distress, and and there's an and there, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. This is a daily thing that you have to fight. This isn't like I come along and go, okay, let's clean up Christmas and make it really reflect. I don't know, let's put a cross up in our living room instead of a tree. Sure, yeah. Yeah, like that would go over. I'd almost go for that because nobody else would go for it. But I uh you know it goes south.
SPEAKER_04:We were talking about Christmas the other day and how like you you don't ever see nativity scenes outside. People do a lot of lights and stuff, but it's pretty yeah, where's the nativity scenes? They don't even try to like combine the two anymore.
SPEAKER_03:Not really anymore.
SPEAKER_04:Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_03:Uh and there's no outcry from the church, everybody shops. Man, can you imagine a church? Well, okay. Yeah, I can imagine a church where they didn't do the presents, they didn't do the trees, and you know what they did do, Jacob? What'd they do? A vile. Vile King County prosecutors, Judge Laurie K. Smith, the Enam Call Police, they went ballistic. Because we made poor boxes. We'll get into that in a moment. All right, go ahead and play Happy Holy Days. This is just a shortered version. Making the point of the points we're making.
SPEAKER_02:Happy holy days from the Consider Podcast. That is Happy Holy Days. Smash. Smash. Smash the pretty presence under the tree. Silence the ho ho ho from Santa Claus. Or if we move the end, it sounds more like Satan's clause. Let us tremble as we worship him on this holy day. Called Christ's Mass. Psalm 96.9. Worship the Lord in the splendor of his holiness. Tremble before him. All the earth. Let us fell the earth in mysteries. Jeremiah 10 3. For the customs of the peoples are worthless. And a craftsman shakes it with his hand. Let all true disciples of Jesus remain unpolluted. James 1 27. Religion that God our fathers accepts as pure and faultless is this to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.info.
SPEAKER_03:Very awe-inspiring clip. So go ahead and play that and let's get started on it.
SPEAKER_00:Scientists use GPS technology to map Jesus' exact path to the cross. 650 yards. Every single step. What they discovered will absolutely wreck you. From the praetorium to Gogotha. Archaeologists trace the precise route through ancient Jerusalem. But it's not just where he walked. Step 127. He crossed over ancient Jewish ritual cleansing pools, his blood dripping into purification water. The ultimate cleansing wasn't the ritual, it was his blood. Step 284. He passed through the court of the Gentiles, the place where all nations gathered, carrying the cross that would save all nations. Step 387. He fell on the exact spot where Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac 2,000 years earlier. Same mountain, same altar. The ram caught in thorns, he was the ram. Every step fulfilled prophecy. Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Zechariah 13. His footprints weren't random. They were writing scripture on the stones of Jerusalem, 650 yards, twelve prophetic locations, one path, every step mapped by God before the foundation of the world. He didn't just carry a cross, he walked out your salvation. GPS verified.
SPEAKER_02:Now let us pause for 15 seconds while we ask ourselves what is missing in this video?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, go ahead and pause it because you know it's going to be longer than 15 seconds for us. What's missing, Jacob? Um by the way, as you think about that, keep in mind at the time I did this, this thing had over two million views. Um the comment about it will wreck you. Sorry, I wasn't wrecked by this fact. I certainly praise God for his wisdom and what he's done, but wrecked? But that's the level of infantile, you know, of of the American church. Oh, I'm wrecked by this information. What are you talking about? The whole you I can look up in the sky and see God's arrangement. I mean, I'm glorifying God of this, don't misunderstand me. But wrecked? Yeah. Uh no. Anyway, what what's missing, Jacob? Are you picking up on it?
SPEAKER_04:Um Well, there's they're still glorifying that Jesus died in the cross for you, but then I guess you don't have to do anything. You don't got to carry your own cross because he carried it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, absolutely. You're you're you're right onto it. Here's the wreck part. Scripture says that we have to walk as Jesus walked. Yes. Really? So everybody's walking away from this, realizing that in their Christian walk, they have to suffer to some degree like this. See, every disciple of Jesus, everybody that claims to be a Christian, if they are led of God, hating their own life, despising the dollar, hating father and mother, wife and children, and all the other things that scripture says about surrendering everything, giving up all. That's just by the way, folks, to get started. If you're trying to do that all the way and somewhere, oh, I hope to get there, you missed the point. Jesus says, before you become a disciple, you have to give up everything, correct? Correct. By the way, that's just another way of saying amen. That's our podcast Pentecostal response. If we back up and we watch this thing again and we think, okay, this is how God is going to lead me daily in my life, and especially as I get toward the end of my life, to suffer with Christ. The contemplation of that, does that not begin to wreck us? It should. It should. Holy fear and trembling. Go ahead and play the rest of the clip because I kind of explained this and lay out the scriptures, but that's what's missing. If he, if the guy would have said at the end of this, and by the way, your life will or should reflect to some degree these sufferings. I wonder if it had got two million views. By the way, you know, we did the Carrie Cross Barbershop. It's always interesting to see how many clips you get on certain things. Nobody's clicking on the Carrie Cross barbershop. Uh anything that comes down to actually specifics that you gotta do, they're just not going to tolerate it. They have to listen to proc podcast thinking and hoping I say something stupid so they can go, well, then I don't have to obey that. All right, finish the clip unless you've got something else you want to add to it. No, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02:In the biblical, the walk of Jesus was. However, one of the most important elements is left out and ignored. Indeed. Those viewing this video refuse to look and see. What they refuse to see, let alone live by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is 1 John 2 6, Romans 8 17, and 1 Peter 4 1 through 2, which, by the way, is the only repeat the only way to overcome the sins in our lives. 1 John 2 through 6. Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. Romans 8 17. Now, if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ. If indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Now, 1 Peter chapter 4 teaches us that there is only one way, God's way, of truly being set free from the sins in our lives. 1 Peter 4, 1 through 2. Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. Listen in on the Consider Podcast as we discuss and allow God to place in our lives the sufferings of Jesus. That is, if we are really children of the living God. The Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.
SPEAKER_03:For some people, confronting them with the word of God. For other people, it's refreshing and music to one's heart and ears. Of all the aspects of the Christmas story that is told, you've got the manger and the wise men, and again, there's a YouTube video out there. What we know about you know the wise men and the stories we told, it's nowhere true. And they they're calling this information awesome and you know, earth shattering and all that kind of stuff. It's like, okay, those are all peripherals, but what aspect of this story of Jesus being born and Bethlehem and the stable and all that is usually left out.
SPEAKER_04:Um which part is left out? You mean so in mainstream Christianity's version of it? Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um, you know, they're all very selective about uh what they're presenting.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I was it I guess it was right af no, right after that Herod kills a lot of babies, but you know, got it.
SPEAKER_03:You got it. The government is after our children. Yeah. Nothing has changed. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now Trump is doing some good, and I'm using that relative. Okay. Yeah. Well, let's not debate that here back and forth. Um I'd rather have Trump than what was there. So that that's probably a better way to put it. Okay. So they're lighting Christmas trees, doing all that. Meanwhile, the government as a whole, whether conservative or whatever, they are after our children. Oh, they've said it. They are after to destroy the family. Yes. They're bringing their sword, their pressure, their money, their power to take away and destroy our children. Yes. If it isn't this way, it's it's the fact of your family goes through some hard times. There's a a billion therapists out there that'll come in and say, Oh, you're in a cult, you're being abused, and they just plant all these memories. It is complete, absolute foolishness to not believe that there is this fundamental wall of governmental action to destroy the family. And so we tell this nice little Christian story to bring people in and they become unredeemed. They come to Christmas, they or they come to the Christmas worship service. They might even stick around and go, This is nice and warm and fuzzy. And you get cookies and all the other things that go with. And so your membership grows, I suppose. But nobody seems to mention the fact, hey, if you belong to this church, the government will seek to be after your children. If not now, later on, your children will face the wrath of the government. I mean, the one world government is coming, the Bitcoin's coming, or whatever they're gonna call it, they'll call it something else. Um so we've I don't I'm trying to keep from going too far with that. Not to mention, and let's let's get away from all the conspiracy theories, which the ones I mentioned so far are not conspiracy theories, they are fact, right? Sure. But it's what you alluded to earlier. Go ahead and play the family clip here, and just play it.
SPEAKER_02:Time for some good news concerning families. That is God's loving good news. God sent Jesus to earth to accomplish his goal with your family. Jesus accomplished that goal, but the church rejects it. It's too offensive because it idolizes family. Picture the sword of Jesus strolling into a family reunion. Matthew 10, 34 through 36. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Best to reconsider the whole focus on the family shtick. The Consider podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.
SPEAKER_03:Matthew 10 34. Jesus is dispelling this whole notion of earthly families, isn't he, Jacob? He says in Matthew chapter 10, verse 34, do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. Okay. And what's promoted at Christmas time? Peace on earth. Peace on earth. Peace, peace, peace. Look, you'd think we'd wake up. I mean, the amount of attention Satan gives in movies and songs and to about, you know, their family, their family. The mafia has, you know, their family. You know, you don't touch family. Do not suppose I have come to bring peace to the earth. Jesus said, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. That was one of the purposes for which God said, Hey, by the way, Jesus, when you go to earth, I want you to start splitting things up. Now, this isn't a worldly sword. I think we all know that. That's right, prosecutors. It's like nobody's talking about a real violent sword here. We're talking about the living word of God. Now, don't go into your home and apply a bunch of rules and regulations. This has to do after you have surrendered everything, are hating your life and being led by the Holy Spirit. And how this would all come out, I couldn't tell you. Sometimes you can go in and do nothing, but you're the smell of death to your family. And so no pun intended, no cuss word intended, but all hell kind of breaks loose. Matthew 10 35, Jacob, read it. What did Jesus come to do? We talk about he came to die for our sins, right? He came to carry our burdens, he came to carry our diseases, right? He came to bring the good news. Amen to all that stuff. Well, how come this isn't equal? How come this isn't on the same level as he came to do miracles or to save my soul? Verse 35.
SPEAKER_04:For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
SPEAKER_03:That's what he came to do. Now, you know, one reason why we were persecuted and prosecuted, and don't get me wrong, we didn't go into our families at homes and go, okay, I'm just going to divide everything up. That's that this is not a rule or regulation. This is a consequence of loving them in Jesus Christ. They're just going to hate you for it. Yeah. You can't stop it if you're really of God. Where you can go in and you're just constantly tolerated within your family and you claim to be a Christian, you might want to rethink the whole claiming to be a Christian thing. Matthew 1036 says, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. That's why all the I, you know, who cares about all the big government conspiracy theories? That's all true. I mean, it's out there. I don't UFO theories, um, conspiracies about the collapse of this and war and that. The one that I'm concerned with is that a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. That's the battle that has to be fought. I can't do if UFOs land today, if an alien lands today, Jacob, is there anything I can do about it? No. If war breaks out between China and Venezuela and whoever, what can I do about it? Nothing. Uh writing about it, doing all kinds of stuff that the world gets involved to. Not gonna make a bunch, not make any difference whatsoever. Correct. May no, it's not gonna make any difference. All right. Well, let's play the full story and then move on, because we got a lot of stuff today. Play government file.
SPEAKER_09:Matthew chapter two, ten to sixteen. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshipped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route. When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. Get up, he said, Take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him. So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night, and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet, Out of Egypt I called my son. When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi.
SPEAKER_03:Isn't it interesting that the government is after boys? What more do I need to say? The main point here, one for us as disciples, like people go, okay, I've read this Christmas story. Sometimes it's in books. I dunno I don't know. But Jesus warned us to remember Lot's wife. Each family member, each Christian father out there, every person claiming to be a Christian, you need to ask yourself a very sober question in relationship to Lot's wife. God comes along and says, get up and move, flee, run, you're in danger. Are you really that prepared in an instant to leave behind boats, cars, family, photo albums, couches, chairs, favorite pet? You go down the line, right? Your computer, your phone, all that stuff. God said, quick, flee to, and I can't think of a state that's really that safe anymore, but flee. Are you really open to leaving it all behind in an instant to run? Did not Jesus say, when you're persecuted, flee to another area? Yes. You had in your heart, you had to be thoroughly dead to these things and thoroughly dead to money. I remember as Wine Pass Wine Press Publishing was going down and being destroyed by the city of Enum Claw, the Enum Claw police, King County prosecutors, there reached a point when God said, Okay, it's over with. Everything I had was lost at that point. Had to flee, had to get up and go. That was it. It was over with. That particular aspect of the battle was gone. And and did I not instantly do that? Oh, yeah. There was no hesitation, none whatsoever, right? You get the idea we have to do that. So I'm not going to go into all these other notes that are here. There's a book out that is teaching our children that getting an abortion is a superhero type response. And this is for two to four years old. You can put up the link later or five-year-olds. I'm sorry, let me move back up. Being marketed to five to eight year olds, and they're calling getting an abortion a very positive, there it is, uh, speaks directly to five to eight year olds about what abortion is, how it might feel, and why people have abortions. Wow. And that's what they're teaching our kids. I tell you, if the church would say, you know what, let's just skip all to Christmas and focus in on this, yeah. I know. And go from there. But I I can't really speculate about it at all. Yeah. Um, I guess that's it. Anyway, give them the link there. It's horrendous. There's so much of this stuff that's kind of like I'm passing it by, like, okay, nobody's gonna do anything about it. And we're all busy feeding our bellies, opening our presents, and having fun and family. But yet you've got a generation of kids, first of all, abandoned to public school. Mothers are not busy at home raising kids, uh, or they up to a certain point and then they send them to public school and so on and so forth. And there's not the whole infrastructure of older women. We've covered this before in other podcasts. So now Satan, Satan is brazen enough. Like, I don't think this could have happened 30 years ago. The abortion book? Yeah. Yeah, no. So all you got to do is watch every time Satan pushes these things, that tells you how far the church has become powerless in what it does and how destructive that it is and where we're at. So quit looking at economic indicators. Look at this, look at rainbow painted streets, look at all these things. You know, side note, why is Trump hated so much, Jacob?
SPEAKER_04:Um I don't know. People have the most bizarre, irrational um breakdowns over one guy. Here's why.
SPEAKER_03:He's the last dad of the United States. It's not much, but he's at least a dad that says, no, you can't do this.
SPEAKER_04:You can't do that. He at least is gonna I mean he runs his mouth, but he'll tell it like it is.
SPEAKER_03:He'll tell it like it is.
SPEAKER_04:He's not a real politician.
SPEAKER_03:And all the all the lefties, they're spoiled children, and so are the conservatives for that matter. But okay, so you get Trump comes along and he has a dad that says, no, well, no, you can't do this, and you can't do the sidewalks, and you can't just do abortion stuff, and you can't cheat on elections, and you can't lie. And that's why he's hated. So when people go Trump syndrome, what's going on there? These are spoiled children. Rebellious children. Rebellious children that will eventually betray their parents and turn them in if they haven't already. Thank you. And do not want to be told no. Which, by the way, Titus tells us the grace of God teaches us to say no. So now you know why most people are rejecting that. Yes. All right. Remember our old plan of the GPS thing? Yeah. Let's just keep in mind that as our lives, when we finish up and we're you'll notice Paul says, I have been crucified with Christ. I have not been resurrected with Christ. That's why scripture says we have to keep in step with the Holy Spirit. At the end of our life, it should be because for Jesus to walk this road, did it not have to be perfectly timed? Yes. Did it, was it not a narrow walk? Very narrow. And was it not where he did not want to go? Yes. That is the Christian life. As I move forward in following God, the road gets narrower. My life becomes more biblical, and it's heading more toward the cross and giving up sin and seeing those things. Now, can it compare to what Jesus went through? No. Can it compare to what Paul went through? No. I'm an American Christian. I have a microwave, all those things, but nevertheless, God knows how to work some measure of the powerful grace of God and the crucified life so that I scream mercy and give me your power. Any comments on any of that, Jacob? No. All right. You know what? We've gone long enough, and I've already stated, I think, everything that this is not an easy thing giving giving out Christmas. I mean, I I really did go through withdrawals. I can't, I don't want to make too much of it. I mean, you know, oh, I suffered, and you know, Satan came for me and no gifts, and I prayed and fasted for 40 days, and I gave up the tree, and and I went down to the people were selling trees, and I overturned the trees. Oh, yeah. You know, I went after them and I and I went to the local store. Well, they were closed on Blue Sundays back then. So I went to the store during the sales and I I chewed out the manager. I was zealous for God. No, it wasn't any of that. Sure. It was just withdraw from the world and then not just withdrawing, because you can do that, but then picking up a cross that puts righteousness in there. Now you grew up, didn't you grow up that there was no Christmas trees and presents by that time, right?
SPEAKER_04:Because the church had gone through the words Christmas trees. None. Not a single Christmas tree. Are you all warped up because of it? Am I all warped up? Yeah, warped up. Do you need therapy? No, I do not need therapy. What? I know.
SPEAKER_03:And that's a shock. Did you get presents? No, not really. No, I mean, throughout your life, have you ever been given a present? Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Our gifts are toys? That's the thing, too.
SPEAKER_04:It's it's so weird about Christmas. It's like, oh yeah, during the year, don't buy your kids and your grandkids and the the people that you, I'm using air quotes, love, don't buy them presents then. Only buy them presents around December. It's so dumb. And people do that though. People do that, right? Like, where is where is even like the the freedom and love and the Holy Spirit, or like for the Holy Spirit to even prick you? Maybe you should buy somebody something in June or July or whenever. But everybody just waits. Nobody even bothers to want to care about anybody until the Satan clause says you should do it, and then Christians do it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and as a joke, you know, if you if you want to do that, you give the kid underwear for his Christmas present. Yeah, yeah. You know, I I'd have fun with the thing if I was visiting, but anyway. Um okay, so uh we used to joke as we were giving up Christmas, right? Yeah. It wasn't like we didn't buy our kids toys and and gifts and other people.
SPEAKER_04:There was always this exchange, it was love, it was pure, it was there. Yeah, there was always the pursuit to have all things in common. That's another one, but we've actually talked about that before, too.
SPEAKER_03:Sure. But and the kids wind up actually, we I kind of laughed inside. They actually wind up getting more toys. So but no King County prosecutors, prosecutor Simmons, you know, they want to well, they prosecuted because of poor boxes. In fact, we're gonna call Close out with a video that explains how to make poor boxes and what to do. But first, let's go to Matthew chapter 7, verse 11. Because here's what people don't want to recognize. Um, well, let's back up even some more, because this wasn't actually in my notes. Matthew chapter 7, verse 9. He's talking to us as fathers or whatever. It says, you know, which of you, if your son asks for bread, we'll give him a stone, or if he asks for a fish, we'll give him a snake, right? So we know how to give good gifts. In fact, Jesus says in Matthew chapter 7, verse 11, if you then, uh oh, here's the kicker, here's the problem. This is one reason people don't want to give up Christmas and everything else in their life. I'll let you read it, Jacob. Matthew chapter 7, verse 11.
SPEAKER_04:If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, Jesus is always getting that zingarine. Man, can't he ever be positive? I mean, seriously, you know, come on, we're doing our best, we're walking, and I'm buying, you know, I give my kid bread, I don't give him a stone, and you know, I take him McDonald's and I get him what, number five, number three, whatever it is, you know. So if he asks for a fish, I give him McDonald's. I'm a nice guy. But here's Jesus, he's just not content to say, hey, look, if you ask God, he'll give you good things. No, no, no. Jesus has to tell us the truth in Matthew 7, 11, though you are evil. So, question to the church as whole, as a whole, and you too, Jacob. Is it of equal measure to say from the pulpit and people receive it as equal power to say God is good and he gives us good gifts? As it is to say, you are evil.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, well, uh not not in the modern church. No, no, no. They don't give both. Well, what church are you talking about? Oh, well, well, but it should be.
SPEAKER_03:It should be that. Yeah, yeah. Um I appreciate that part. It's good news. If I if I like that point, it's this is all good news. Separating families is good news. Your evil is actually good. Oh, which is news.
SPEAKER_04:Isn't that a Christmas theme? Like peace on earth, goodwill, too. To all men. Oh, yeah. To all men.
SPEAKER_03:To all men. So if I got up to a congregation where I was invited, now we're really into fantasy land. So yes. And I stand up and I go, praise our God. Let's lift a hallelujah. Let's do an amen. Let's sing a song to the fact that our God gives us good gifts. Can I get around a clap? Well, I don't know what they do, right? It'd be a tremendous outburst of praise God, the whole bit, right? Then I go, and you know what? We are evil. Jesus says, we are evil even when we give good gifts. Never deceive yourself that when you give a good gift to your child, that somehow you're good. You're evil. Grandma's evil when she brings you cookies. You know, dad's evil, or mom's evil when she gives you this present, even though it's a good present. Would I get the same hallelujah, amen, praise God? Definitely not. No, what I would get is run out, never invited, disliked, persecuted, prosecuted, slandered, lied about, claimed that I was trying to gain worshipers, that I'm a cult leader, I'm evil and vicious and vile, and I'm twisting the scriptures in all manner of ways, and it's out of context, and I don't know the Greek and the Hebrew, and no other Pharisee or Sadducee agrees with that statement. Would that pretty much be it? Uh something like that. Can you tell I've experienced these things a few times? Yes. I've heard it all before, folks. All right, so we're gonna end with that glorious, unholy people called King County prosecutors who were very willing, extremely eager, still eager to leave an innocent man in jail with absolute proof. Absolute proof. You can go by the Consider website. There's a transcript of the corrupt cop actually scripting out, motivating behind the scenes or false accusation, and they were all singing their unholy hallelujahs.
SPEAKER_08:Big, beautiful, bold are a few words to describe what's ahead. Other words like solid, honest, and also special come to mind. In truth, it's more likely peace-loving, kind, and self-sacrificing. Yes, we're talking about the creation of poor boxes at Christmas time in defiance of the state of Washington. Contrary to King County prosecutors of Seattle, Washington, some disciples of Jesus disregard Judge Laurie K. Smith's disdain for the good. Let's consider how to make poor boxes. In this year of our Lord, 2025, the Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness. www.consider.info.
SPEAKER_01:How about was there any particular holiday celebration for Christmas or anything of that nature?
SPEAKER_02:A holy Christmas undermined by prosecution. Poor box persecution. Matthew 5, 11 through 12. Blessed are you when people insult you, they persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven. For in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. In Washington State, specifically in Seattle's King County Courts, Judge Lori K. Smith, who is foolishly arrogant about being voted two times by her peers as woman of the year, alongside prosecutors and police, subjected the Sound Doctrine Church to a rigorous, rights-denied 28-day trial. During this time, King County courts distorted, vilified, and misrepresented every truth. Indeed, what prosecutors called evidence was absolutely unrelated and opposed to the charges against a church member. The primary grotesque legal corruption is that Washington State was using groomed charges to take down a righteous Christian church. The alleged evidence of a crime presented in court stemmed in part from how the church, under Pastor Williams' leadership, celebrated Christmas. The church's initiative to create, design, and decorate poor boxes was maligned as cult-like. Keep in mind, true to the congregation's inviting nature, the church welcomed everyone, regardless of membership, to participate in Christmas preparations throughout the year. Individuals could witness the joy and engage with families and friends of the church while crafting these poor boxes. The excitement and joy are sorely missed since King County prosecutors destroyed the church and were run out of town by the city of Enum Claw. Be warned that if your church is righteous and loving, even designing poor boxes and gathering coins for the poor may be prosecuted. Nevertheless, here are the steps involved in making a poor box. Step one start with an old oatmeal cardboard container. Note, any type of box or container will work, as this is not some type of cult-like order coming down from leadership. Step two, use construction paper, glue, glitter, and stickers to decorate the outside of the poor box. Step three, cut a slot in the top of the box to allow coins or dollars to be added throughout the year. That is, if Governor Bob Ferguson, the Washington State Supreme Court, and the Democrats have not already taken all your cash, coins, and children from you. Step four, throughout the year, children and adults collect their spare change and deposit it in the box. It is holy money set aside for the Lord's will. Thus, no one takes any money from the poor box during the year. This refusal to take any money out was not out of fear of hell, as prosecutors slandered during the trial, but out of love and joy for all that God has done. Step five. At the end of the year, around Christmas time, all the collected money is poured into a single bucket and donated to the less fortunate or a worthy cause. Not a single dime or penny was retained by Sound Doctrine Church. The perverse accusations against the church came despite the noble intentions behind these efforts. As prosecutor Jason Simmons and Judge Laurie K. Smith misrepresented the righteousness that Sound Doctrine Church embraced, presenting such lunacy logic as evidence in order to mislead a jury to destroy a church devoted to good, holiness, and righteousness. Let us pray for these individuals to repent. For as God warns in Isaiah 5 20, woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be considered legal or life advice. Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus. The Consider Podcast www.consider dot info.