#98 January 1, 2026

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We land with you considering.

The need for a sober-minded new year.

That Judge Leroy McCulough needs to call Judge Lori K. Smith and King County Prosecutors.

A law enforcement officer was arrested for teaching a bully a 2-second anti-bullying lesson.

As you await your next flight, consider that a thief, though he is hungry and starving, must pay back 7 fold.

This and much more, including the rap song to bring in the new year of our Lord 2026 on The Consider Podcast.

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Chapters

• 0:00 New Year Rap And Theme Of Sobriety
• 3:47 “Spiritual Airlines” Satire And Episode Setup
• 5:15 Massive Daycare Fraud Claims And Political Response
• 10:50 Media Noise And Wisdom From Ecclesiastes
• 12:40 Calling Out Leaders And Sound Mind Scripture
• 19:35 The Sober Judgment Rap And Its Message
• 22:20 Make The Most Of Time: Ephesians 5:16
• 26:15 Sober Self-Assessment: Romans 12:3
• 34:12 Filthy Language, Fruit, And Lying: Colossians 3
• 41:54 Mercy, Theft, And Sevenfold Repayment: Proverbs 6
• 52:40 Pool Bullying Case And Proper Discipline
• 1:03:18 Words Versus Consequences: Proverbs 29:19
• 1:10:00 Hope In Discipline: Proverbs 19:18
• 1:16:36 Endure Hardship As Discipline: Hebrews 12
• 1:29:10 AI-Enhanced Evidence And Courtroom Bias
• 1:33:22 Closing Admonitions And Sign-Off

Transcript

Speaker 6: 0:01

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Yeah, we're about to start the countdown. Happy New Year's Day. Are you ready? The consider podcast. So when you hear, we deliver the facts. We at the house of mourning while the city collapses. Hearts of fools, chase thrills, while the minutes attacks. But the wise, we the times, cause the wick in the rap. Every second is a thief in the black. Every clock take closer to the judge coming back. Sparkling bottles like they can get away from the past. But the spool says the world burns under the glass. Fireworks crackle while the souls crack. Open the faces glowing blue screen. These are cheap moments. Confetti in the alleys where the lots stay broken. They know it with the midnight count is unspoken. End of year highlights with rot underneath. Self-worship masquerading as a fresh new week. But the wise man knows that his joy ain't cheap. And the fear of God stays while illusions retreat. Stop a new year, stop a new year. No cheers, no fears. Just a truth right here. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. So a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times. Cause I'm so a new year. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better sober up now. The floor is too late. Chase and win. Whole culture got us feet off the ground. Achievement stack high, but the meaning unround. Work, grind, hustle, brag, then collapse with a frown. The treadmill don't stop till they bury you down. New year's goals list slip, but the motives are thin. Resolution after resolution. What about sin? Champagne in the veins, like they're born again. But repentance is the dawn where the truth won't sit. Overjudgement, see yourself in the mirror for wheel. Not the version in your head that you paid for the wheel. Not the pride, drunk idol you pretend to feel. But the dust breath creatures got the mass to kneel. Shadow life here today, then it flickers and fades. Winningless days, all these digital chains. The noise on the body won't quiet the pain. Only morning in the spirit makes it whole. No cheers, no fears. Just a truth right here. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. Stop a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times. Cause I'm so a new year. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better sober up now before it's too late. Shadow of a man in the world out of tune. Counting down at midnight like it's some kind of boo. But the breath in your lungs is a vapor too soon. And the judge keeps receipts. Every choice, every rule, give account. Not the followers to the maker of skies. Not the algorithms, cracking your near year highs. But the one who weeds motives and the inward ties. With the fear of God lives and the dead man dies. Blessed of the morn is not the crowd, but the morns, not the dance floor, stains with the glitter and the pun. But the one who sees the terror and the beauty of God and bow low in the peasants, cause your symptoms eye. When it's toast in the future with the plastic grip. We tremble in the splendor, Robin's pulling this again. This world celebration is a mass percent. Christ COVID comes through when the morning begins. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. Soap a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times, cause I'm so a new near. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better sober up now before it's too late. Counting down the minutes to midnight. Here we go in ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.

Speaker 16: 3:47

On behalf of Spiritual Airlines, we want to thank you for flying with us. Stewards, please prepare for landing. Stow all electronic equipment. Place straight tables in their upright position. The landing is gonna be a little rough today because of injustice crosswinds. Fasten your seat belts. We land with you considering the need for a sober-minded new year. The Judge Leroy McCulliff needs to call Judge Laurie K. Smith and King County prosecutors. A law enforcement officer was arrested for teaching a bully a two-second anti-bullying lesson. As you await your next flight, consider that a thief, though he is hungry and starving, must pay back sevenfold. This and much more, including the rap song to bring in the new year of our Lord 2026 on the Consider Podcast.

Speaker 10: 5:01

More information can be found at www.consider.info. Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

Timothy: 5:15

Heard about the $9 billion fraud, Jacob? Not not million, billion. I mean a staggering amount of money of the fraud in Minnesota?

Jacob: 5:26

I last I knew it was like a billion. I had not heard, because the the yeah, the last I saw it was days ago. So I did not know it had hit 9 billion. Well, you know, it's it's also they're saying it's probably in Washington State too. Did you see that article? Same thing. The Somalis have like daycare centers in Washington State that have been receiving millions of dollars.

Timothy: 5:47

So it's every I ran the nine billion because uh just this morning before we did the show. That's that's just Minnesota alone. Um and you bring up the second point. We're going to talk about Governor Bob Ferguson's response to the 9 billion and the possible what did you see for Washington State? It's gotta be up there. They haven't even begun to calculate it.

Jacob: 6:09

Yeah, it was just millions. That's all I knew. In Washington State, it was just millions that they're guessing.

Timothy: 6:16

Exactly, and they they haven't even begun the investigation yet. So you have this potential of fraud and a crime. I'm assuming taking this money, this nine billion from the government is a crime, right?

Jacob: 6:28

Um taking the money and then e giving it away illegally, I think, is the super illegal part.

Timothy: 6:35

Well, okay, I'm glad you put a fine tune on it, but I'm gonna go fine her there. Well, I think taking nine billion from us anyway. Giving it to them to run daycare centers is a fun crime. That is that's already a crime. I won't go there. I won't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you are correct.

Jacob: 6:49

Even if the daycares were real, like why are we spending nine billion dollars on daycares? Anyways.

Timothy: 6:55

Exactly. And that just destroys more of society behaving the daycares, but we won't get into all that today. So Bob Ferguson, governor of Washington State, sees this potential for a crime. I mean, he after all, he was what is he, the uh attorney general for Washington State at one time. So he he's got a real intrinsic sense of what's right and wrong and legal and right, correct? Correct, yeah. Uh-huh. You believe that. Play the intro, then we're gonna talk about Governor Bob Ferguson's reaction to the possibility of millions and millions of fraud associated with daycare centers in the Somalis.

Speaker 16: 7:42

Did you hear the news? News about it is all over social media. News of it is being blab-blocked with serious energy. News about the news that's already news everywhere is rebroadcast as if it were new news on every news channel. Let us end the talk. Ecclesiastes 6 11. The more the words, the less the meaning. And how does that profit anyone? Duh. The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness. And there's plenty of it. Www dot consider.info.

Timothy: 8:31

Pull up that link if you can, Jacob, where we're going to quote Governor Bob Ferguson. You know, somebody needs to really put him out of his misery and the rest of Washington State and the nation. What I mean by that is why not send in the individuals that wear the white coats, you know, and have the little ambulance that come pick you up and give you a nice quiet place to sit and contemplate and try and bring sanity back in. Because this is certifiably nuts. All right, let me quote uh Bob Ferguson here. He met with the Somali because he's concerned. Obviously concerned, as I said. He used to be attorney general um of Washington State. And of course, that's why we're in this mess. But quote, I met with the Somali American community leaders today to discuss the deep damage. Am I reading that right so far, Jacob? Do you see it there?

Speaker 14: 9:22

Yeah, I do.

Timothy: 9:23

The deep damage. What's the deep damage? Not just any damage, but we're talking deep damage. You know, nine billion would be would you call that deep damage or just damage, damage? I'd call that pretty deep. Okay, so Bob Ferguson, Governor Bob Ferguson, where all these people voted for Governor Bob Ferguson, is going to discuss deep damage inflicted by what? Not by the Somali's fraud, not by this money being wasted, because we know uh Bob Ferguson's and the Democrats in Wharton State, their concept of our money is their money, inflected by who? Who are we focused in on, Jacob? What does it say? Donald Trump. Donald Trump's harmful rhetoric and reckless deportations. That's right. Commit all the fraud you want. Go to nine billion. How serious do you think Washington State is going to be to investigate how much fraud's going on in Washington State by the Somalia? This is what he comes out with. Here in Washington State, now this is what Bob Ferguson says. Here in Washington State, we recognize that diversity is a strength. Now, I was not aware. Are you aware, Jacob, that embezzling or committing fraud with tax money is a thing of diversity?

Jacob: 10:48

No, I didn't know that it was a diversity or a strength. However, I guess it is a skill.

Timothy: 10:53

Well, it's a skill, and and and that is a di so you might only come up with a several million. Somebody else can come up with a hundred million, but then some people can do a billion. So the diversity of stealing is our strength.

Jacob: 11:08

Uh apparently. Well, no, wait, our. That's what he's saying. If it's i if he's if he's referring to like himself as Washington people, then like their strength is to let it all be stolen. That's what Rob Ferguson is good at.

Timothy: 11:21

And be all worried about the rhetoric, the talk. You know, the Trump's out here mouthing off what Trump does. Okay, that's that's fine. Forget the billions. Yeah, the billions. Forget the millions because the deep damage is inflicted by Donald Trump saying, you know, we need to take care of fraud, of illegal activity. Yes. Now, Bob Ferguson is not a man with a sound mind. He he needs to repent. Bob Ferguson, Mr. Bob, God will give you a sound mind if you repent. This is absurd. Let's read the scripture, and I'm gonna go to the new King James. Jacob, you want to pull that up? 2 Timothy 1 7. And since you're partial to the King James whole thing, go ahead and read that and read it to Bob Ferguson. Tell him what it means.

Jacob: 12:10

For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Timothy: 12:19

Bob, you can have all those. You can have the power of God, the love of God that actually wouldn't use people for political gain. You know, when you went after the grandmother because she wouldn't arrange flowers for a gay wedding, you know. What happened to diversity, by the way? I mean, if you've got a grandmother that has a particular belief about gay marriage, and she just doesn't want to arrange the flowers, isn't that part of diversity? Because we've got a difference of opinion. You got a gay individual here, and you've got her over here, and they were dialoguing, they were doing fine, but Bob Fergus intentionally went for the grandmother. So what happened to diversity? It's only one way. Well, are you sure? Because I'm thinking what he's saying here is that the grandmother that owned the flower shop should have robbed the gay individual. Should have charged him more, should have committed fraud.

Jacob: 13:15

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, for a little fraud.

Timothy: 13:17

Do you follow what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, so the deep damage was inflicted by her not committing fraud against the gay individual.

Jacob: 13:26

Not, yeah, taking advantage of them. She should have really taken advantage of that gay couple.

Timothy: 13:30

Correct. Now, what about also, where was the diversity when King County prosecutors and the city of Inum Claw, uh, the council and the police there intentionally, provable, lied, had rhetoric that did what? Destroyed a righteous Christian church and drove them from town. Where was your diversity to protect that diversity and that freedom of speech, Mr. Bob? And by the way, I contacted Attorney General Bob Ferguson during that time, telling him and informing him that he should be looking into this matter, as I did Governor Inslee saying, you know, we really need a special prosecutor to look into King County prosecutors and the city of Enam Call Police. What happened to the diversity here of allowing everybody to have a difference of opinion and a different nationality and what they claim to be and believe? For that matter, what happened to the Constitution that guaranteed freedom of religion, Judge Laurie K. Smith and prosecutor Jason Simmons. Where's all this diversity at? I'd like to know.

Jacob: 14:34

It's non-existent.

Timothy: 14:36

Why uh no, Jacob, you have to commit fraud. Oh, okay.

Jacob: 14:41

That's true. You have to steal. Yeah, it has to be diversely okay.

Timothy: 14:46

See, Christians can't use the park downtown in Seattle because that doesn't reflect whatever the Seattle's gay message, but the Christians would be allowed to commit fraud against the city by taking funds from the state, but not actually doing the park. I don't, you know, I'm having a hard time here thinking, well, how do you commit fraud here? But that that's what he's saying. That's the message. Yes. Am I right on that, Jacob? You're correct. Okay, one more time, Mr. Ferguson. Bob Ferguson, Governor Ferguson. God can give you a power of love and discipline and a sound mind. It's all yours if you repent. Any comments or anything else on that, Jacob? Because that's in the news. Nope. Alright, let's play the sober judgment 19 or 2026, and let's discuss that a little bit.

Speaker 6: 15:47

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. We're about to start the countdown. Happy New Year's Day. Are you ready to consider podcasts? So when you hear, we deliver the facts. We at the house of morning while the city collapses. Hearts of fools chase thrills while the minutes attacks. But the wise, we the times, cause the wicked the wrap. Every second is a thief in the black. Every clock take closer to the judge coming back. Sparkling bottles like they can get away from the past. But the spool says the world burns under the glass. Fireworks crackle while the souls crack open. The faces glowing blue screen. These are cheap moments. Confetti in the alleys where the lots stay broken. They numbered with the midnight count, it's unspoken. End of year highlights with rot underneath self-worship, masquerading as a fresh new week. But the wise man knows that his joy ain't cheap. And the fear of God stays while illusions retreat. So a new year, stop a new year. No cheers, no beers, just the truth right here. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. Soap a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times. Cause I'm so a new year. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better sober up now. The floor is too late. Chase the wind, whole culture got his feet off the ground. Achievement stack high, but the meaning unwound. Work, grind, hustle, brag, then collapse with a frown. The treadmill don't stop till they bury you down. New year's goals list slip, but the motives are thin. Resolution after resolution. What about sin? Champagne in the veins, like they're born again. But repentance is the door, but the truth won't sit. Don't for judgment. See yourself in the mirror for wheel. Not the version in your head that you paint for the wheel. Not the pride, drunk idol you pretend to feel. But the dust breath creature got the master kneel. Shadow lights here today. Then it thick is the phase. Meaningless days, all these digital chains. The noise of the potty won't quiet the pain. Only morning in the spirit makes it whole. No cheers, no fears, just a truth right here. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. Soap a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times. Cause I'm so a new year. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better stop her up now. The floor is too late. Shadow of a man in the world out of tune. Counting down to midnight like a soap of boon. But the breath in your lungs is a vapor too soon. And the judge keeps receipts. Every choice, every move, give account. Not the followers to the makeup of skies. Not the algorithms cracking your near highs. But the one who reads motives and the inward ties. With a fear of God lives and the dead man dies. Blessed of the morners, not the crowd with the horns, not the dance floor, stains with the glitter and bond. But the one who sees the terror and the beauty of God and bow low in the presence, cause your skin feels odd. When it toast of the future with the plastic grip, we tremble in the splendor of his whole and it's again. This world celebration is a mass percent. Christ's comfort comes through when the morning begins. When the clock strikes 12, the illusion fades. This Cinderella story is a masquerade. Soap a new year, stop a new year. Check the signs of the times, cause I'm so a new year. When the clock strikes 12, the delusion breaks. Better sober up now before it's too late. Counting down the minutes to midnight.

Speaker: 19:02

Here we go.

Speaker 7: 19:03

In ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, and consider podcast.

Jacob: 19:22

What you think, Mr. Jacob? Well, it's a catchy tune, so you know it's uh it's hard to Oh, the words are good, obviously, but you know, when it's catchy, then it's hard to be more sober. But the message is clear.

Timothy: 19:36

I you know, I'm amazed uh again and again every day of how God directs my steps because I could have gone through literally hundreds of different people that do this rap, but he was the first person that was chosen and he c he picks up on it. I mean, clearly um I think he must he's in a different part of the world, but I have a good feeling that uh he knows what we're talking about. Let's go to Ephesians 5.16. I want to discuss this a little bit. I I don't know how long we'll go for it simply because it's the same message every year. Sober up. Get serious. And the reason for this is Ephesians 5.16. Jacob, when you get there, I'm gonna let you read that. Ephesians 5.16.

Jacob: 20:25

There you go. 5.16. It says making the most of every opportunity because the days are evil.

Timothy: 20:36

The days are evil. What anything that means to you right up front?

Jacob: 20:41

Um well the yeah, this seems obvious that the days are evil.

Timothy: 20:47

Um it seems obvious to have a sound mind too, but go ahead.

Jacob: 20:51

Well, it does, but like, well, this is this is just actually more clear. Like it's just it's like light and day, obvious. Like, because we could talk about a sound mind and what that is, and that could be a whole nother podcast, what a sound mind is. But this is very clear, the simple fact that the days are very evil, so you have to make the most of every opportunity because and then obviously plenty of other scriptures that the time is short.

Timothy: 21:16

The time that I have to see God is short. Every hour is against me. Every second's against me, every day's against me, every day I put off repenting or I let myself be fooled that I don't really have to pick up the cross. I mean, we could go down and on and on. The time is running short. No wonder Satan likes the lie and the delusion that most people are going to heaven because most people are not going to heaven. Every day that King County prosecutors refuse to repent, and Judge Laurie K. Smith and Beth Andrews, and the list goes on and on. By the way, I'm compiling a nice long list of people that have been confronted with this and should have taken care of this a long time ago. The time for them to repent is running short, and every day for them is more and more evil because every day they refuse to repent and to make this right adds to their sin. So you're adding to it every time you ignore God. Anything else on that? I mean, I have a bunch of other scriptures. I posted them on the website if you want to go into those points. We've got really a lot of other things to talk about. But uh any comments on that, Jacob? No. All right. Um well let's look at well, let's go to Romans chapter 12, verse 3. Because this is what every Christian, well, everybody should, but every Christian and true disciple of Jesus should do. Read Romans 12, verse 3, Jacob.

Jacob: 22:42

For by the grace given me, I say to every one of you, do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment and accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

Timothy: 22:56

That's really the core of that whole rap. When I sent those notes to him and all these scriptures, and he put it together well, that was the main one that I was thinking of, the sober judgment of really sitting down, and you know, people are just so busy praising God they don't have time to actually worship God. That makes sense.

Jacob: 23:14

Yeah.

Timothy: 23:15

So there's a sober judgment here. I sit down every day, especially as I get older. I mean, every birthday is like, wow, I'm really on borrowed time. You know, when you're in your 20s, 25, or around there, you think you've got life ahead of you. So it would come as a surprise if all of a sudden you died or faced an illness or whatever. But when you get up into my age, it's like, well, okay, I'm alive today. That's unusual in every day that it goes like that. So and and there's a God's always worked kind of a fear, a holy fear, and a love for him at the same time. But the there's a soberness that goes, and Kenny, this is getting real. You know, I could easily go from here to there in a microseconds because of simply just because of my age alone. Correct, yeah. Um I judge myself with a lot more severity than I did when I was the first Christian. First of all, I I didn't have the knowledge. Uh now I have the knowledge. I remember when Jesus he stopped the people from stoning the woman caught in adultery, and he says, those who are without sin cast the first stone. And it says the older people left first. It's because your sense of sin and like of fulfilling God's commands and what he wants to do is should be a lot more in your face if you're sober-minded. I imagine those people that walked away when Jesus said that, that's probably one of the first times they really gave it much thought. That's one reason why people don't want the message of the cross. It nails you down. You go in, you sit down, you think, okay, this is who I am. Silence then becomes a source of conviction and sober judgment. You know, scripture says to be silent when you lay on your bed. That no TV, no iPod, no whatever, no movies, no nothing, no daydreaming, no whatever it is you do. So you're laying in bed. Who wants to go to bed in and of themselves to think about all the things that they failed in or that they could have done or sober judgment and looking at all the things that they didn't come up to measure with God? And yet that's exactly what we're called to do by the grace of God. This isn't a self-pity thing. This isn't self-imposed. I don't lay in bed and go, okay, I'm vile and I'm wicked and go through all of that. No, no, no, none of that. You let the grace of God, the power of God, come to you to sober you up and to bring things to mind and of your heart. You know, in the Psalms it says, I think of your law throughout the night. Can we get up in the middle of the night? As I get older, the older people understand, got to get up a little more in the middle of the night. Am I conscious and thinking of God? Any comments on that, Jacob? Because you I think you can tell I'm living it. Nope. It makes sense. All right. Well, it's time to put Mr. Jacob on the spot. Okay. Let's play the intro, Mr. Jacob, and then I'm going to go for you.

Speaker 16: 26:12

It's co-host JT time. It is Jacob time. It's hot seat time for the co-host. The host, Timothy, has all the facts. The host asks all the questions and is elusive. The host knows where he's headed, yet, no co-host whining and zero complaining. Jacob does not even have a ruffled feather, but sparks might fly. It's Jacob time where sparks create loving heat. As the good book uplifts in Proverbs 27:17, as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness. www.consider.info.

Timothy: 27:10

What do you think, Jacob? Any comments on that? You want to kick back at me? You want to get revenge somewhere?

Jacob: 27:16

No, I'm just awaiting what is next.

Timothy: 27:20

Well, I'm gonna throw out some scenarios to you and ask you what you think. And obviously I know where I'm headed. So you do. Let's go to, and you can't be going to Grok and you can't be double checking me while I chat. That's cheating. Although you do that when we're on the phone. Um, actually, I appreciate it. Let's go to page 14 of the notes. I'm gonna play you an easy one and you tell me what you think.

Speaker 3: 27:49

Never would I compromise my integrity. Never would I compromise 28 years in law enforcement for a few folk who couldn't stand to be held accountable and had to do it all over again.

Speaker 4: 28:10

So I'm going to the Bible when I say this to my head.

Speaker 5: 28:20

The same folks who said in that report that they changed their numbers. And I did not. The report is very clear. I did not direct anyone. You should investigate those folks.

Timothy: 28:36

What you think, Jacob? Let me have some discernment here. She went to the Bible, Jacob.

Jacob: 28:43

Okay, well, you okay, so I don't even know what this is, other than from the video, this is this is Washington, D.C. is the logo in the background. So this is the I and then the the bar below it is like the chief resigning, or was she pushed out? I don't even know what the story is, but it's a wild clip, regardless.

Timothy: 29:04

It doesn't really matter what it is. She I hear what you're saying. Clearly, somebody falsified some reports, and she's saying she didn't falsify the report. Okay. That and even the investigation said that she didn't falsify or direct anybody to do so, which is ridiculous judgment in and of itself. First of all, everybody below a police chief knows exactly what to do and not do without the police chief telling them what to do. You think Detective Grant McCall didn't know that his police chiefs, and now there's several involved, could care less if he went for Sound Doctrine Church. In fact, they may have wanted to, but but he's not gonna go, hey, I'm going to go for Sound Doctrine Church, so I'm going to falsely groom somebody, and then I'm going to make sure they're run out of town. They won't go to trial or anything because they'll plead bargain, and then my co-uh conspirator will be able to continue to spread around town and their reputation will be gonna be thrown down. You really think the police chief went, yeah, let me sign that memo. No, yeah, no, that that they're not gonna have that conversation. All right, so that's a straw dog argument. And can you trust somebody with this kind of shall we say, use of language and temperament?

Jacob: 30:13

Well, the other thing, if you look at that video, man, but this is like it at first it almost sounds like a church. You know how like because this is there was a bunch of preaching. There's an African American people, and it's like this. It's it almost you don't like except for clear the clearly uh the the cussing, this is you know, this is almost like a church setting, and the the preacher is getting everybody going and they're clapping and they're hooping and they're hollering, and then yeah, apparently but but uh F U is not in the Bible, so you are I don't know why we're even saying that.

Timothy: 30:50

Well, because there's so it's not it's not almost almost it's almost it's not almost like a church service, it is a church service. Sure, yeah. She might as well have on a woman preacher's outfit up there in church, everybody's you know, amen and hallelujah. It's no different, and I'm sorry to bring this back to Detecting McCall, a little different than the self-righteousness he had to destroy other people. He might as well said F U and this he literally did. Same attitude. Yes, it's the same attitude. The evidence is clear. So this woman is this police chief is up here saying this and acting like this, and she thinks this is proper. Yeah. She thinks this is what signifies a good police chief. What if all the police chiefs outwardly were like this? I mean, you got warfare going on, you got complete corruption.

Jacob: 31:35

Well, so the I a valid question, which you alluded to earlier, is like they all have the same attitude. So actually, most police chiefs probably have this attitude. They're just not as outspoken as her.

Timothy: 31:48

You are correct. And you know, can you prove that?

Jacob: 31:52

Uh what do you mean? Can I prove that they're all like that? Well, if you're a police chief, you're because to become a police chief nowadays, you had to like break the law, probably a lot of times.

Timothy: 32:05

You had to be like a dirty cop.

Jacob: 32:08

Can you prove that?

Timothy: 32:10

Uh can I prove it? I won't keep you putting you on the spot. Okay. Uh of course you can prove it because nobody denounced her. No police chief denounced her, no police union denounced her, nobody in law enforcement, no lawyers, no prosecutors, nobody said this is wrong.

Jacob: 32:28

Oh, I see. Yeah. Oh, oh, yeah. This, okay, yeah.

Timothy: 32:31

Which means you tolerate it. Which means you do it.

Jacob: 32:33

Yeah.

Timothy: 32:34

Uh the whole why do you think Detective McCall is not in prison right now? Because all the prosecutors and all the judges are doing the exact same thing he's doing. They just mask it up a little. They just I my I didn't sign off on it. The report said this. They all play the game that I'm not responsible. This isn't part of my I no one no investigation was done. So King County prosecutors and Governor Ferguson, all these people can just say, well, we didn't find anything. Well, you didn't go look. It's absurd. Let's read the scripture because that's our main focus here, and I want us to notice a couple things. Let's go to Colossians chapter 3, verses 8 through 10, and read the first part about filthy language, Jacob. So just that clearly that's not my interpretation. That's just what it says. Colossians 3 8. Go ahead and read that.

Jacob: 33:22

But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Timothy: 33:33

Okay, how many of those aspects did this police?

Jacob: 33:37

Yeah, she did all of them. She's angry, she's rage.

Timothy: 33:40

She's one out waving her arms, uh anger, rage, malice, slander. Slander. Yep. And filthy language. Yep. All right. So remember how we look at the context of scripture? What's the next line? So if you have rage and anger and malice and slander, what follows right along with it? You remember the if you go look at the uh Detective McCall video, what did they spend their time doing? Talking about sexual stuff over the police uh radio and all kinds of crude things and language, correct?

Speaker 14: 34:17

Correct.

Timothy: 34:18

So when you see that fruit, I remember there was a lot of talk by Detective Grant McCall about a fruit. I don't recall having anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from my lips. Jacob, any of that? No. Any sermons you can pull up and go, I've got enemies out there. And you know what? You know, to all my enemies. And I'm gonna go to the Bible here. All my enemies? Well, guess what? You bad language, bad language, right. Oh, yeah. That that lingers in my heart and on my lips? Don't think so.

Jacob: 34:49

If they did, they would have brought those tapes in, but there were no tapes.

Timothy: 34:53

Well, if I did, Jacob, they wouldn't have prosecuted us. Oh, yeah, that's true, actually. Yeah. I'd have been part of the world, I'd have been acceptable, but because we were righteous, Judge Laurie K. Smith couldn't stand being rebuked. Intrinsically, they knew this to be true and Satan owns them, but I don't want to get too far into this. Okay, so we have anger, rage, malice, slander, filthy language from your lips, right? What comes next? What resides with that kind of impure, unclean spirit in a person's life? Read Colossians 3 9 and let's see what it says.

Jacob: 35:31

Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its practices.

Timothy: 35:37

Oh, when you have all of those things, rage, anger, and you may not have the vocalization that this woman does, but I mean people are walking around with rage and anger, malice and slander. I mean, that's where the hate crying comes from. I mean, you can read the letter that the co inspir co-conspirator wrote before she went on her little rampage. It was full of slander, malice and so on. All right, so what language then do they speak? Verse 9, Jacob. Lying. That's it. They lie. They absolutely lie. Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your old self with its practices. I wish we had time to talk about old self, new self. What it means is if you're born again, if you're a Christian, if you're a disciple of Jesus, you're supposed to be having the new image of Christ what doesn't have anger, rage, malice, slander, lying, or any of impure things. It's it's really that simple a gospel. I don't know why people think this sermon isn't all you're judgmental. Like really, it takes a rocket scientist to look at this video and go, uh, you know, you may not be a Christian. You may want to sit down with a little sober judgment and reconsider what you're saying there. Yeah. All right. That was an easy one. And you passed just fine. Okay. Well, let's go to the next one. Now, of course, by setting this up, you know I'm off on some other angle. But let's play this and you tell me whether this judge was right or wrong.

Jacob: 37:13

Disabled veteran in wheelchair couldn't feed his kids. Judge's words made everyone cry.

Speaker 1: 37:18

Sergeant Morrison, you lost both legs serving this country. You couldn't work, and your disability payments were delayed for two years. You stole food because the VA failed you. All charges are dismissed.

Timothy: 37:27

Okay, Jacob. Now there's one more just kind of like it, but play it next, and then we'll discuss it.

Speaker 11: 37:33

Okay. This veteran stole a sleeping bag from Walmart. Expecting a fine he can't afford, what the judge did next shocked everyone.

Speaker 9: 37:40

Sergeant Grant, you serve this country with honor.

Speaker 11: 37:43

Yes, sir.

Speaker 9: 37:44

Regarding this theft charge, all counts are dismissed. Housing and treatment start now. You defended us. Now we defend you.

Speaker 5: 37:53

Thank you. Thank you.

Timothy: 37:55

Right or wrong, Jacob. Uh wrong. Why is it wrong? These people were in great need. They needed food, I think was the first one. Second was a sleeping bag to keep warm. So they stole because they didn't have any money, and one guy had lost his legs. And I'm not trying to make light of that, so don't anybody think that the way I'm talking that I'm doing that. Um why is it wrong?

Jacob: 38:21

Well, first off, how come this is actually uh kind of a side note, but well, everybody glorifies these veterans, everybody like so somehow this is an excuse. This is not an acceptable excuse, like because you serve this country, we're gonna give you a pass. But well, but but the also the hypocrisy to me is so if if it was the same dude who wasn't a veteran, then the judge won't have any mercy on you. I mean, if the judge is gonna have mercy, you can have mercy, but but you I don't think you should be tying in this because you're a veteran, you get the pass.

Timothy: 39:00

You made some actually excellent points that I wasn't going to go for, but uh very good point. Well, let's read Proverbs 6, verses 30 and 31. I'll let you read that. This is what God, the living God, the loving God, the holy God, tells us that should be done. Proverbs chapter six, verses thirty through thirty-one.

Jacob: 39:25

Uh I'm reading it. Yes, sir. Men do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving. Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold, though it cost him all the wealth of his house. Now, is there any ouch factor to you when you read this? That's an ouch, sevenfold. That means the dude has to give back seven sleeping bags.

Timothy: 39:54

Well, and though it cost him all the wealth of his house.

Jacob: 40:00

So that would be anybody under his roof. He's got to go take stuff from his like own family to pay this back.

Timothy: 40:08

Sure. He's out. Let's just say he's out on the street, doesn't have a family, steals a sleeping bag, police come, judge rules. Hey, I understand. I'm not looking down on you or anything like that, but now you're gonna have to pay it back sevenfold. So the sleeping bag, let's let's do a cheap one. It's a Walmart, what, 40 bucks would work?

Jacob: 40:26

Uh 20 bucks. You can buy a cheap sleeping bag for 25 bucks. 25 bucks will get you a Walmart sleeping bag.

Timothy: 40:31

So that would be sevenfold times 20. I'm gonna see how good your math is.

Jacob: 40:35

Uh well that's over, I don't know, over $140. No, that's a lot. So far, you're doing well.

Timothy: 40:41

Yeah, $140. Yeah. Um and then, though it costs him all the wealth of his house, because what do they usually tack on? Court costs, this cost, then rehabilitation costs, teaching costs. So it's literally going to cost him everything he has because he stole a sleeping bag.

Jacob: 41:00

But there is an if. It says, yet if he is caught.

Timothy: 41:06

So if you're not caught. So you're saying what scripture says is saying don't get caught.

Jacob: 41:12

I'm not saying but but okay, but if you're giving you a hard time, at 630, you're not supposed to despise them. So you can't like you can't despise them. You can't be bitter and just hate on them forever. Is the first part.

Timothy: 41:25

Yeah, you don't well, you don't look down on them. You know, it's not like well, most judges, if you weren't the veteran and they weren't feeling sorry for you, they're gonna say, I'm gonna throw the book at you. You're a vile criminal, you're a molester, you do all these things. By the way, as a little sub note, you know how I know that all prosecutors are going to hell? It's not that hard. We're supposed to treat others as we would want to be treated. Correct. So every pro every prosecutor, if he were put on trial, would he want to be treated, or she, be treated as he has treated other people? No. Side note. So that this is not rocket science. They're going to hell because of their impure. Anyway, so is God being unloving here? Is he being mean? Because you know, when I when I read I was watching this and I go, you know, first there was that touch of, oh yeah, man, you know. And then the scriptures come into mind, and guys go, whoa, whoa, yeah, what's going on here? So is God being mean and unloving? What what's what's he accomplishing here?

Jacob: 42:28

Uh well, he's clearly wanting to teach uh thieves a lesson.

Timothy: 42:34

You know, and I don't blame you for thinking that way because we live in a society where we think prosecutors are the holy priests of the law. So we think the solution to everything is prosecution. It's not what God is doing here, let's just say this was the law of the land. Society would change. Oh, yes.

Jacob: 42:56

Okay, so back back it wouldn't be coming up. Yeah, well, even back to Proverbs 630. The scenario there is you're not supposed to look down on them when he's hungry and he's starving. So, I mean, even these people that stole a sleeping bag, stole whatever, like, can they honestly lift up their hand and be like, oh yeah, I totally I was like starving, or like I was freezing to death because I'm homeless and I went into Walmart and stole the sleeping bag? Or did this dude just steal it? Like, what were the circumstances around these two veterans stealing? Were they actually starving? Okay. Because you can go to a food bank and they're gonna give you food.

Timothy: 43:33

I I'm kind of chuckling. Okay, Jacob, drop the prosecutor talk. Oh, okay. And let's because I'm not saying you're wrong in what you're saying. Focus in on how would society look different if this were the law of the land? Well, yeah, people they they would think twice before stealing. Okay, now get past the prose Okay again, I I put you on the spot. Get past the prosecutor part. What what what how would society be different? What would happen is society as a whole would see somebody that's starving or see somebody homeless and go, man, I don't want them having to pay sevenfold to pay a deeper. It would increase sympathy for the person that's in need. Sure. And you wouldn't want them to go, would you want if you're a soft society, and that's what I say this would create. Obviously, it can be perverted up. That's what we see in pr in prosecutors. But the the point would be more than just punishment, it would be like you would see a homeless person or you'd see somebody that's hungry and starving, you would be more apt to reach out to them. You don't want them pushing them to that point. Sure. That that's the whole point, is that not that we go around saying people need to be hungry, they need to be starving, and then do whatever. No, you you would start arranging things. Now you bring up a good point. There are food banks for all kinds of things. It's hard to believe you couldn't go get a sleeping bag somewhere. What I'm really pushing toward and seeing here is that because we are coddling this behavior, it'd have been one thing if the judge said, okay, look, I'm not gonna send you to prison, I'm not gonna do that, but you're gonna have to pay it back. And you'll notice in each of these cases they give them free food and they give them free place to live. Well, what does that increase then? It increases lawlessness. Well, if I go steal, or if I go do this, I'm gonna wind up getting free home care, and I'm going to wind up getting what? Free food. So there's no sense of responsibility here that these things are wrong. Correct. It actually being illegal then becomes a means to getting what you want. Yes. So it's counterproductive. Yeah. And we've got this misplaced sympathy. We either get the prosecution angle, vengeance, go for them, or we get, oh, that's so bad. That's so and we're seeing that reflect in how children are raised. There's there's no sense of bringing people under this one. We'll actually get to that here in just a moment. All right, let's go to Did I answer that, or is that kind of clear? I want to build on that some more. It's clear. It would also make that the person that's homeless would go, well, you know what? I don't want to go to work camp because that's actually what should happen. You know, the veteran comes in, somebody goes, and you put them to work. You give people a sense of whatever. There can be a touch of punishment about it. That's the purpose of it, to teach them the responsible, to sober them up. Nothing helps a scattered brain that is mentally on the verge of introducing discipline, not drugs, not medication, but an actual self-disciplined life. Remember, Mr. Bob Ferguson? They'd also would listen to the gospel more. They'd pay attention. I'm not telling you their motives would be exactly right, but they might respond to God. Because what's missing through all of this? Did the guy pray? Did they ask? Sometimes God allows poverty, he allows difficulties to get men to cry out to him. So God is laying down this wall, so to speak, this perimeter that's that is really screaming and saying, seek me for all things. I will take care of you, I will do whatever. Don't resort to stealing, don't do all of these other things. But there's no sense of crying out to God. You couldn't even introduce that in the courtroom if you wanted to.

Speaker 14: 47:24

Correct.

Timothy: 47:26

Churches then might get so busy, you know, not praising God and having good time and all their constants and all the other new David cartoons and all make America great again. To realize if a man had to go into these situations, you might be more apt to actually see that society has changed. Again, am I being clear? I know I'm kind of repeating myself, but this is not something that's unloving. This is actually a very loving thing to do. Part of the problem is Satan uses the government to make discipline seem evil and vile.

Speaker 14: 47:59

Yeah.

Timothy: 48:00

We see that in our children. You cannot raise them with self-discipline anymore without the government destroying the home. We'll get into that maybe a little bit today. All right. Let's read on a little bit. Uh go ahead and play the uh next clip there, Jacob, the way file. Steal repay. And let's look at the again the context here of what God is saying about paying sevenfold and consequences and things like that.

Speaker 2: 48:27

Proverbs chapter six, verses nine through through thirty-five. So is he who sleeps with another man's wife. No one who touches her will go unpunished. Men do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving. Yet if he is caught, he must pay for the Okay, hang on, let's pause it right there.

Timothy: 48:48

I know I'm interrupting you. Did you catch that first verse in 29? Uh okay. So is he reading two different verses? No, this is 629. Yeah, you go to 629, and then it's gonna just keep going down the line. So he who sleeps with another man's wife. Nobody disagrees with that. No one who does so will go unpunished, correct? Correct. And then what does it go into?

Jacob: 49:11

Uh the verse we just did about killing.

Timothy: 49:14

So we're seeing context a lot within scripture where it's like sandwiched in the middle. Like, I don't know whether anybody obeys it or not anymore, but yeah, you know, you sleep with another man's wife, you will be punished. And then in the next breath is if you steal bread, if you steal because you're starving, look at what he's put next to each other as if they were equal. So there's a wisdom here, there's a love here. You have to have these, you know, if and I don't even read Forman Society, but if you had the laws that were tight, that were fair, and that were just, people would understand I don't cross this line. Now, or if I do, I'm going to be punished. I mean, it becomes pretty clear. All right, keep reading it, let's go on, and we're again we're just kind of looking at the full context here.

Speaker 2: 50:04

Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold, though it costs him all the wealth of his house. But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment. Whoever does so just hang on.

Timothy: 50:15

What what did what did we just go from, Jacob? Another man's wife stealing and now adultery. He's right back to it. Look at what look at what is squeezed in there. It's is not God trying to say, look, this is as serious as committing adultery.

Speaker 14: 50:31

Yes.

Timothy: 50:32

Go ahead. I'll repeat that again. It's as serious as committing adultery. Now I know to most people that doesn't really mean much anymore. No. And you can see why. If stealing, if you're starving, or you're taking a sleeping bag becomes this plot for sympathy, then adultery becomes this. Well, it was like a judgment, or I wasn't being fulfilled at home, or things really bad, or the government says, oh, well, you can divorce your husband and you can take all of his money. We we see this going on that society has become liberalized, soft. There's no narrow road or gate that keeps the cohesiveness of the family and life intact. And so what are we seeing? We're seeing Somalis. Nine billion dollars. What happens when we have this misplaced sympathy is nine billion dollars in one state. And that's not even counting all the other billions. By the time you're done, you look back and you go, man, everybody's just stealing. Yeah. All right, keep going.

Speaker 2: 51:34

Whoever does so destroys himself. Blows and disgrace are his lot, and his shame will never be wiped away. For jealousy arouses a husband's fury, and he will show no mercy when he takes revenge. He will not accept any compensation. He will refuse the bribe, however great it is.

Timothy: 51:57

Alright, amen on that, Jacob. Amen. Alright, so we have a society now where it's illegal to discipline your children. No mistake about it. I mean, they have a lot of laws in the book, but there's a lot of the termites come in to destroy the family. I'm kind of shocked as I watch what's going on that any discipline. I mean, any when I say discipline, I don't mean like punishment discipline. I mean just discipline picking up your room or thinking straight or saying no to these things over here. I mean, we were prosecuted, literally prosecuted by King County prosecutors for attempting for someone to be taught to do chores in the house. Nuts. It's because we've let go of all principles, which means we see that within prosecutors and judges. I mean, the law doesn't mean anything anymore.

Speaker 14: 52:48

Correct.

Timothy: 52:49

Literally, I mean, when Judge Laurie K. Smith did a there was nothing that reflected the law. There was a reflection of what she could get by with. Correct. But there was no lawfulness about what she was doing. All right. Anything else? Because I've been talking fast and kind of over ya. Nope. Okay, so far you're holding your own now. You're at a swimming pool.

Speaker 14: 53:11

Okay.

Timothy: 53:12

Your kid's out there and it's swimming and having a good time. Another another boy comes over and dunks your little girl, puts your daughter underwater for four or five seconds. Um, and you're kind of watching this go on, you know, hoping, okay, I hope it stops, but it just it continues on, and then eventually you do get fed up. I mean, the the the kid stops, but you you're upset, right?

Speaker 14: 53:36

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Timothy: 53:37

R rightly so.

Speaker 14: 53:38

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Timothy: 53:40

Would you be upset that watching a really essentially a bully push your daughter underneath the water?

Jacob: 53:46

Uh sure. I would tell the kid to knock it off. You would? Sure. Uh-uh. Well, if she's if she's like if she's if he's legitimately, and I I I wouldn't exaggerate, like he I wouldn't be like, well, he drowned my daughter, or he was attempting to drown, but even if it was even if it was my own children horseplane, right? Like I would get onto my own son if he was rough and like, you know, endangering somebody.

Timothy: 54:11

Yeah, if he was going too far. Yeah, if you're going too far. Yeah. Clearly, th this kid was going too far. Whatever that means, or whatever the judgment is, the the boy was dunking, well, whatever the child. I don't know whether the child's a man, woman, boy, or whatever. So it was just going on too far. Clearly, it was now and you kind of bring up a good point. I mean, the parent on the side, the other kids dunking. Is it horseplay? Is he flirting? Is he, you know, just doing what kids do? Um and then parent because both parents are can can be oversensitive kind of routine where we don't allow any splashing in the world to come against somebody. So I'm assuming it's kind of normal. I'm also assuming that the one's the boy and he's just being a bully, and that's just how it's happening, right? Mm-hmm. All right. So how would you handle that? You you you turn to the kid, or how should it be handled? Let me I don't want to put you on the spot. How should it be handled? What would be a good way of teaching the bully kid not to dunk somebody under the water?

Jacob: 55:13

Uh well nowadays I'm I'm not going to intervene to get on to somebody else's kid. I would I would seek to stop the behavior so that my daughter doesn't just inhale a bunch of water and start coughing everywhere. But I'm, you know, you are we already said, like, society does not let you discipline children. I'm not gonna go after this kid. Well then how are you gonna stop it? Well, if he if he like physically continues to do it over and over again, I will certainly, if I have to physically intervene very carefully in a non-aggressive behavior, but you know what I mean? Like if you have to get in between the bully and my child so so that he doesn't keep dunking her.

Timothy: 56:00

There's nothing that you're saying is wrong. I'm even going, yeah, you better not between the bully and the kid.

Jacob: 56:05

By the way, you know, any any pool, a public pool has a lifeguard, so then hopefully the lifeguard would intervene and do their job, that's literally their job, lifeguarding the pool so that the little rat doesn't keep dunking people.

Timothy: 56:18

Well, the lifeguard can't do that because as we saw a couple podcasts back, he'd get fired for bullying the bully.

Jacob: 56:26

Well, he he he was charged because I know don't go to that button. But you never know when you're gonna be arrested. The cops are gonna show up. You do never know. Well, hopefully, well, see, that that kid did do his job, then he was just arrested for doing his job.

Timothy: 56:39

But anyways, well you're being a you're being a good father, and you you you go out and you get in between, you're gonna be arrested. You touch the other kid. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Jacob: 56:49

Whoa, whoa, no, no, no. I never said I touched the kid. Well I never said I said interviewing. I said I said get in between did I say get in between? I never said I touched him. So like if if uh you could physically hang on, hang on.

Timothy: 57:01

Well, you can't have a perfect scenario. I know.

Jacob: 57:04

Realistically, let's say.

Timothy: 57:05

But you can't, you can't you can't wrap me into your perfect scenario. Hey, I'm not playing prosecutor, I'm not lying about what you're doing. Look, if the kid is dunking your daughter and you're gonna get in between that, you somehow you're gonna bump in the kid. He's either gonna slap you by mistake or whatever.

Jacob: 57:20

Well, well, even nowadays, public school teachers they teach you to like, you know, you don't physically touch them with your hands. You like literally this is the thing, you know, like you side you side-bump them, so you just physically put your body in between them and whatever they're like kicking or screaming.

Timothy: 57:36

Well, there's real techniques. I've seen that. I'm telling, I'm telling you, you could you could be arrested for Oh, I understand. You could be arrested for that. You could be arrested for anything. Okay, that this is how nuts the world is. Uh you're kind of proving my point. Um Okay.

Jacob: 57:54

Um if it was well, be but also though, because well, you asked me, I think, what would I eventually do? If the situation was continuing to escalate, I would leave the pool. I because I am not looking nowadays to get involved, again, in discipline or scolding, or you know what I mean? Like, well, here's the problem.

Timothy: 58:13

Then you've taught that little bully boy to grow up to be a police officer or a judge or a prosecutor. They've learned they can just torment anybody they want. There's no consequences. There's no problem.

Jacob: 58:26

Their parents already then raised the kid to be that way. So if I can't.

Timothy: 58:30

But you reinforced it. You and this kid will now grow up to be uh a mean prosecutor as if there were nice prosecutors. A mean prosecutor. Or a cop.

Jacob: 58:38

Well, you'll think all prosecutors are going to hell, so I I you're you're condemning this kid already.

Timothy: 58:45

Well, I'm just if he's gonna grow up to be a prosecutor, well, he's not gonna grow up to be a meek, mild bully. Oh, well, it'd be worse. He'd become a social worker or whatever. He'll go to a power situation. Again, this is no laughing matter about prosecutors going to hell, so I don't want to turn that into a light thing, but I hear what you're saying. What uh at a minimum, the bully child's gonna grow up to think parents are worthless, and as Jesus promised, they'll turn in their parents. But let's get into the scenario of what's going on here. Go ahead and play the WAV file that will describe what's going on because it's more amazing than you realize.

Speaker 2: 59:28

Go for it. A woman accused of forcibly submerging a six-year-old boy in a Florida hotel pool is a former law enforcement officer who had previously addressed students about the risks of bullying, according to reports. Tiffany Lee Griffith, 36 from Fort Myers, was arrested earlier this month and charged with aggravated child abuse following the alleged incident at the Gaylord Palms Resort and Convention Center in Kissimmee, as reported by the Osceola County Sheriff's Office. It occurred shortly after 4 30 p.m. on December 19th, when three children were playing in the resort's swimming pool, authorities stated. Investigators reported that Griffith's son had been dunked underwater by the six-year-old boy, leading Griffith to enter the pool and confront him. The Osceola County Sheriff's Office detailed the suspect, identified as 36-year-old Tiffany Lee Griffith of Fort Myers, entered the pool and yelled at a six-year-old boy after he allegedly dunked her six-year-old son underwater. The suspect then placed her hands on the victim's shoulders and forcibly dunked him underwater for several seconds. Following the incident, the child emerged from the pool visibly distressed and with a nosebleed. He informed his parents about what had happened, according to law enforcement reports. Griffith proceeded to yell at the boy's mother before departing the area. Authorities later found and arrested her. Griffith later revealed to police that she is a former law enforcement officer, having served with the Punta Gorda Police Department from 2013 to 2018 under the name Tiffany Lee Viola, as reported by WPBF 25 News. During her service, she worked as a school resource officer. Posts on the Punta Gorda Police Department's Facebook page highlight her efforts in educating students on topics such as bullying, sexting, and internet safety. One post mentioned that she was teaching a course to high school freshmen regarding the adverse effects of bullying and sexting, as well as common crimes involving high school students. In 2016, she was also honored as the department's employee of the quarter, according to WPBF 25 News. Griffith was taken into custody at the Osceola County Jail and later released on a 20,000 Osan, as reported by WPBF 25 News. The Punta Gorda Police Department, Osceola County Sheriff's Office, and Gaylord Hotels have not yet responded to requests for comment from Fox News Digital.

Jacob: 1:02:16

Okay, so this lady, her uh again, and and and when you were asking me, like, I'm not touching this kid. She does this dunking.

Timothy: 1:02:25

You're gonna let your little girl drown? No, but she's she's retaliating.

Jacob: 1:02:29

It's one thing to like get onto the kid and scold him, then she places her hands on him and dunks him. This is the most childish thing ever, though. Why are you retaliating against the six-year-old? He's six.

Timothy: 1:02:45

Interesting.

Jacob: 1:02:47

Why are she she she dunked him? She held him underwater. So then you can't do that, especially in today's society. It's one thing if it's the 1950s, but she and she supposedly has been trained in like anti-bullying techniques when she was a police officer. There's no way, oh yeah, when you're being bullied, bullied back?

Timothy: 1:03:11

Interesting. You are a product of the age. Oh, okay. No, what she did is what she should have done. Okay.

Jacob: 1:03:21

Well, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm not but but in today's society.

Timothy: 1:03:26

Okay, hang on, hang on. We're talking about what should have been done.

Jacob: 1:03:31

Oh, okay. Well that was I don't know if you asked that question, but anyway.

Timothy: 1:03:35

Well, no, I got your first reaction. Look, what she did was proper. Sure. What she did was good. It was two and a half seconds. Yeah. Two and a half seconds. You cannot, scripture says you cannot discipline your servant just with words. The the bully needed to be taught what it felt like. You're not going to be able to they it's not like they even pulled the bully from the side of the pool, set him down and said, you know, stop bullying, you know, stop tormenting other little girls, treat them with respect. It was too much. You can't do that to a child. You look, if the the guy that steals a sleeping bag has to pay the price, or he steals food and he's got to pay the price, the way you avoid that kind of lawlessness is you teach a child when two and a half seconds underwater is nothing.

Speaker 14: 1:04:28

Correct.

Timothy: 1:04:28

But it but it is significant to the child. It teaches the child what it feels like, it creates empathy, it creates love for other people, it says there are consequences to what you were doing, and you're not to do that and see how it feels. The what she did was absolutely proper, what needed to be done. But she's charged with aggravated child abuse and has to post a $20,000 bond, and the police and sheriffs went looking for her because she taught a bully of what it feels like to bully other people. Yeah. Now, you come back at me, but your first reaction is a product of society. I understand what you're saying, a couple of things. One is, well, yeah, you can't do it. Well, which is obviously very clear. The woman's arrested, she's going to be, but what I'm telling you is that's absurd. That kid is going to grow up to be a vile individual in society because that tile, that child is taught that I can do whatever I want to other people. I can be a bully at every level, and the police and prosecutors are going to punish the person that I'm bullying. Because the child wasn't just bullying the other child. The child was bullying the parent that was at the pool. That bully knew what he was doing. It's not like he's just bullying and he's just got the girl in mind. He knows he this is an affront to what should be done. There's just no way.

Jacob: 1:06:00

Yeah.

Timothy: 1:06:01

Your thoughts or anything? Now come back at me on all of this.

Jacob: 1:06:04

I oh no, I totally agree with your point because it says when the boy emerged from the water, he was allegedly visibly upset and had a nosebleed. I don't know how he got the nosebleed, but yeah, he was visibly shaken because that's what it feels like to be dunked underwater. I totally get what you're saying. I mean, this is a classic, like, what's wrong with society in America today, which is exactly what you said. The little kid is a little monster that gets away with it, and he can whine to his mommy, and then boom, arrests happen. Yes, this is a crazy extreme.

Timothy: 1:06:37

And the nose blow the nosebleed is easy to explain. When you're in the pool in the water and you take a little bully and you put him on for two seconds, it's the end of the world for the bully. And so emotionally, and his blood is flowing and everything, and then his nose begins to bleed. Oh, no, mommy, I'm dying. And then think about it. His parents, or whoever the guardians are, went off to file the find the police, filed a police report, they hunt her down. You know, one of the reasons in this country we have way too much injustice going on is because believe it or not, these prosecutors and police have way too much time. Well, yeah, I know.

Jacob: 1:07:11

The police officers, who who even took down, like who even who even filed it? You know what I mean? The police so the whining parents come and they're like, we want to report a crime. And they're like, what happened, man? And then they tell the story, and the police officer actually like takes down all this information and actually pushes this thing through. It's like, really? And what state is this in, Jacob? This is in Florida.

Timothy: 1:07:36

Florida, Ron DeSantes, or whatever his name. There's one good thing about the Trump uh election was is Mr. DeSantes did not get elected because he's a former prosecutor. Yes, he is. Look at this nonsense. He's all for law and order. This is counterproductive. If you want people respecting each other, well, I could go on and on. It's not going to change, and it's only going to get worse. So don't be surprised, parents, and I'm not giving parental advice. Yeah, I mean, your first reaction about, well, you can't do this in today's society, you'll be that's absolutely correct. So I'm not telling anybody to discipline their kid. I'm just letting you know this is where it's headed.

Jacob: 1:08:13

Yes. Well, and also I I'm just sort of paraphrasing that. I mean, I I you can't discipline somebody else's kid in today's society.

Timothy: 1:08:23

No, not unless you're a minority group. And they do talk about that they can and will do so. Uh unfortunately, this woman's white, which means okay, so then it's even worse. Yep. Jacob, let's go to Proverbs chapter 29, verse 19. So we can read this and people can be sure I'm not making it up. Proverbs 29, 19. It says a servant cannot be corrected by mere words. You know, if words work, then why do the sheriffs carry guns?

Jacob: 1:08:54

Um, well, they're powerful.

Timothy: 1:08:57

If words work, what do we need prisons for? We don't even need prosecutors. You just talk to them.

Jacob: 1:09:02

Yeah.

Timothy: 1:09:03

You know, actually, isn't that what we're seeing? You have a whole generation of kids being raised with just words. Yes and so we're seeing the criminal element just take over the country. And there's this kind of this little contest between those that want to keep to the letter of the law and those that just, well, the law is meaningless. Even the current mayor wants to have social workers come in, get rid of police. This whole movement is a result of just playing two words. Yeah. Um, Jordan Peterson does it. All these psychological airheads come in and say, Oh, just talk to your kid, pull him aside. We've kind of discussed this before. Yeah. You can't, if that worked, again, I interrupted you, if mere words worked, then the sheriffs that went and arrested her do not need guns or tasers or anything else, right?

Speaker 14: 1:09:53

Correct.

Timothy: 1:09:54

We just talk to the cartels. Yes. And they'll stop doing what they're doing because you've reasoned with them. A servant cannot be corrected by mere words, though he understands. It's not like they don't understand what you're telling. No, don't bully, don't take the poor little girl and dunk her under the water and all that stuff. He'd understand what you're telling him, but he will not respond. It's not human nature, it's not who we are, it's not this what the sinful nature is about. There have to be consequences. And here's the deal: the sooner you teach that, the less likely you got to do it when they get older.

Speaker 14: 1:10:30

Correct.

Timothy: 1:10:32

All right. Now, before we start feeling sorry for Miss Griffith, right? I mean, she's, you know, $20,000 bond. She's arrested. It's aggravated child abuse. Why is all of that meaningless? What, arresting her? Yeah, arresting her, the $20,000 bond, the hunting her down. Why is all this at the end of the day completely meaningless?

Jacob: 1:10:55

Well, just like talking to the child won't fix anything. Arresting her won't fix anything either.

Timothy: 1:11:01

Wrong, turkey brats. Oh, it's gonna fix everything? It's because she's a policewoman.

Jacob: 1:11:06

Oh, she's a formal, she's a former police officer.

Timothy: 1:11:10

It doesn't matter. She's gonna get special treatment, eventually it's gonna go away, her record will be cleared. Oh, yeah. They'll be sponged. They will not be, she will not be treated the same way the rest of us would be treated.

Jacob: 1:11:24

Well, she well, actually, to be fair though, I mean, sh they did actually arrest her. They gotta go through the hoops. Oh, okay.

Timothy: 1:11:32

The the sheriffs aren't, you know, they I'm look, can you imagine the parents that are raising this child? He's not a bully for no reason at all. Correct. So they're whining, they're complaining, plus what do you want to bet there's lawsuit money in the horizon on this thing. This thing's not over with. This kid's gonna learn a very valuable lesson. I can be a bully, and there's a profit to it. Yes. All right. Now, I I may be wrong. I they may be showing no favoritism by the judge and the police and social service, whoever gets involved in this little thing, because uh I I find it very hard to believe that at the end of the day, this is not they're not gonna go easy on her because they do it all the time. Sure. Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jacob: 1:12:14

Uh I don't know. I we'll have to see. See, I I think that's a pretty heavy-handed blow to arrest her, book her in jail, the $20,000 just to get out. I mean, it wasn't like, oh, you only got to pay a thousand bucks. It's pretty heavy handed. As of up until this point, it has been heavy-handed.

Timothy: 1:12:32

Okay, I'm gonna say it's all for show and we'll call it even more.

Jacob: 1:12:34

Well, and that may be true, but currently they're treating her like a horrible criminal.

Timothy: 1:12:40

Oh, well, absolutely. Absolutely. Uh the rest of us would be in the I she may be in the newspaper. Here, here's the main thing. This woman, she's watching her, I assume it's her daughter, whatever, being picked on in the paper. It was two boys.

Jacob: 1:12:52

No, it was two boys.

Timothy: 1:12:52

A boy against a boy. Two boys. Oh man, that's even like more pathetic. Let them let them wrestle it out. Yeah, exactly. Um whatever. Someday they're gonna be in the military. Yeah, right. Um I mean, what a joke. Yeah. Um, oh, where was I going with that? You took my point away, but it's not worth making. Oh, I know. She's sitting there watching this happen. And look at all the training she had, and she taught other classes, and she was like policewoman of the year, whatever, right? Yeah. It dawned on her. It like that, I'm sure there's this microsecond that all those words, all that yakity yak, and all that like do this over here and all these little gimmicks meant nothing. Sure. She realized the way to teach this and to keep this kid from going down the wrong path was to dunk him under the water for two and a half seconds. Yep. You can't just discipline with mere words, it doesn't work. And uh, you know, when Prosecutor Simmons gives up the jails and Judge Laurie K. Smith gives up all of her tough talk and denying rights. Yeah, if mere words work, then let's go all the way and do it. Stop playing this game. Now, why the question is we know that Satan is in charge of the governing uh principles in the world, right? Even though Governor Santantez claims to be a Christian, I'd love to put that by the test. Feel free to join me on the show anytime, and let's just test it in a loving way. I'm not gonna try and trap you. We'll just go down the list and look at what it means to be a disciple of Jesus. So he's a former prosecutor and all that kind of thing. Why is it that Satan works so hard and is I don't know if he's working hard, he he has certainly succeeded in getting the governing authorities to take away any discipline toward our children. Why is that?

Jacob: 1:14:38

Because he Because he knows that by taking away the discipline, who are you gonna hand your kids over to, but he gets more control. He gets the foothold, he's he can Well, he thinks he can win, but Exactly.

Timothy: 1:14:51

We're gonna look at uh Hebrews 12 1. What it amounts to is if Satan can make discipline seem unloving and unkind. In other words, to most people, if I say, yeah, dunk the kid down for five seconds, you know, let it let his nose bleed, let him wipe it off, let him go into the you know bathroom and sit there and wipe the blood off, and then make him go back and apologize to the other kid that he was bullying, and you go down the line, right? Yeah. If even as I say that, there's people cringing and oh, that's abuse, that's bad, that's evil, that's wicked. God, in order to get a hold of us, all of us in the human race that we're doomed to hell and he wants to rescue us, has to put us under discipline. And so if Satan can trick us into thinking, oh, well, God is mean and he hates you and all discipline's evil, then when God comes along to lovingly discipline the world, or especially his disciples, you're gonna see that as something evil and you're going to reject God out of hand.

Jacob: 1:15:49

Yes, automatically, out of the gate. Your reaction.

Timothy: 1:15:53

You won't even be able to discuss it. Keep talking over me. Yeah. No, yeah. You won't even be able to discuss it. Yeah. That's why Proverbs 19, 18, and we'll come to Hebrews in a minute, says, discipline your son, for in that there is hope. There's no hope. That's why we're seeing kids kill kids, we're seeing kids on medication, we're seeing isn't it horrendous what is happening to all earl children? And what happens is the counselors, the governing authorities all keep doing the same thing over and over again. Anything but turn it over to parents who would know what to do. And again, that skill is gone. I'm not suggesting anybody actually discipline their kids because you don't know how. The skills are gone. You weren't disciplined, you didn't really experience it, you don't know what it's about. You're not a disciple of Jesus, you've never experienced his deep conviction, nor the hardship that God brings. So don't try that. I'm not telling you, I'm just telling you what's happening. That you have removed hope from your children because you will not discipline them, and you think that any little suffering, any little opposition, any little trouble is to be protected and they cry and they whine and they're big babies. Discipline your son, Proverbs 19, 18 says, friend, that there is hope. Do not be a willing party to his death. It is true that we've all had to change our behavior because the government is watching everywhere they can, and anything that suggests any type of self-discipline, or you got to have a life that's or a mind that's actually disciplined, you have to change your behavior, don't you? Yeah. You have to watch what you're doing out in public. There's just nothing there. That's fine. I understand that. I understand what the government. I've watched it. I'm now so old, I've watched this progression into lawlessness because the government has destroyed the family unit. Bob Ferguson, he loves to destroy the family. He wants everybody in daycare, he wants everybody in public school. He loves, he lusts for having the family destroyed. But that doesn't mean I have to be a willing party to the death. Correct. That when I stand before God, I will do everything in my power to outmaneuver the state and outmaneuver Satan in order to raise my children to at least respond to God or to have that choice whether they want God or not. I'm gonna let you read it, Jacob, Proverbs 19, 18. I see that you went to it because I I did start going on it a little bit.

Jacob: 1:18:17

Go ahead and read it. Uh discipline your son, for in that there is hope. Do not be a willing party to his death.

Timothy: 1:18:25

You know, I hate it when I see, you know, there's still those elements that that will say, oh, well, where are the parents? Why aren't the parents raising them? Look, the parents are not to blame anymore. The government has so destroyed the family, even the people that are saying, why don't you discipline your kids? They don't know how to discipline their kids. Yeah. If there was any godly suggestion about what to do, they would reject it too. They just don't realize how American Christian they are. Yeah. Let's read, or let's actually play the clip because it's a little bit long, and I'm not going to be able to go into this in detail. My main point here being is that this woman, Mrs. Griffith, finally realized, and it dawned on her, all this talk and all these gimmicks don't beat two and a half seconds of being dunked under the water, being taught what it feels like to be a bully. Look, you got a little kid, he's running out into the street. I've used this before. You want to be able to say stop. You want to be able to say no, and they instantly stop. But if you just constantly talk at them, they're not going to pay attention to you, and they're going to run in the street and they're going to get hurt. It's that simple. Hebrews twelve one, let's play it, Jacob.

Speaker 2: 1:19:36

Hebrews twelve, one through sixteen. Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the crucifixion. Cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart in your struggle against sin. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood, and you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons. My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline. God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined, and everyone undergoes discipline, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live? Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best. But God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in His holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. Make level paths for your feet, so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed. Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy. Without holiness no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

Timothy: 1:21:57

Any quick thoughts, Mr. Jacob? No. Man, there is so much here, my mind is just reeling all over the place.

Jacob: 1:22:05

Oh, yeah, that's a huge chunk of scripture.

Timothy: 1:22:07

Huge chunk, and if we've coddled our children, and I'm putting that nicely, it's more likely it's in spoiled territory, and we've talked them to death, they're gonna come to these scriptures and read this, and it's gonna be meaningless. It's just talk. And then the minute God actually begins to bring some discipline. You notice God says he punishes. It's not just discipline, you also get punished. Uh scripture says to endure hardship is discipline. When King County prosecutors came for Sound Doctrine Church, and actually they were just after me kind of routine, and all that horrendous stuff that went on. I endured that as discipline. I looked for any weakness in myself. I looked for sins. I looked for things that needed to change. I looked where I needed to grow. I endured it as discipline that God was punishing me, disciplining, going, however, you want to look at it. Even though it was an act of wickedness on their part, and I was enduring it because it was righteousness, I took it as discipline and I learned everything that I could possibly surrender to it. Instead of whining and complaining, you know, why is this happening? I knew why it was happening. Why is this happening and this is too tough and this is too hard? We man, anything, I mean, are we going to see, do we even see remotely within the church and within Christians children that are going to grow up in the Lord that are prepared for this kind of discipline? No. I don't have time to go into for all of this today. Anything that I need to, you know, notes of discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. You can't just have, of course, not every it's a beating. No, it's not a beating, but it is painful. You know, the kid got a nosebleed. Boo-hoo. Um, you know, two and a half seconds underwater. He he could have got that just from swimming and being underwater too much. But instead it was tied. This woman needs an award. She needs to be commended for what she did to stop the bowling and to teach him a lesson to never ever do it again. Now it's been reinforced by the state and reinforced by these parents, and it'll continue to be reinforced in all their family and group, oh, you poor thing, you were abused. Nonsense. Yeah. Nonsense. Now we're all going to be tormented by this kid when he grows up. There's no, there's very, very little chance unless God's grace comes along and gets a hold of him that this guy is good, this kid's going to grow up to be a useful member of society. Correct. All right. Anything else on that? We kind of wrestled through all that anything more you want to say on it. Okay, let's talk about another last one, last scenario. You're a defense attorney. Okay. You have a client that's clearly on trial. Okay. And he's saying that what he did was self-defense kind of routine. And he has a video that he took off his cell phone that proves it was self-defense, or at least, you know, is going to help prove that, right?

Speaker 14: 1:25:10

Okay.

Timothy: 1:25:10

But it's a little grainy. It's a it's a little off a little bit, you know, because you're obviously you're in the middle of an altercation of some sort.

Jacob: 1:25:17

Okay.

Timothy: 1:25:17

So the filming's probably filming.

Jacob: 1:25:19

Or if it was if it was at night for sure.

Timothy: 1:25:21

Like Okay, for sure. So you run it through AI and you tell AI, you know, sharpen this up. Make it clear. Should a judge allow you to take this AI AI enhanced video and play it to before a jury?

Jacob: 1:25:40

Um, well, I mean, uh, yeah, if this is real evidence, uh I don't see why we should not be allowing video evidence in the courtroom.

Timothy: 1:25:51

Now it's AI and enhanced are kind of filling in the holes or the pixels. Well, okay. You know, so the jury would be aware of that fact and they could see that should a judge allow you to play that video with AI enhanced?

Jacob: 1:26:07

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. Like, well, like I know in photos you can go into Lightroom and you can push the, you know, yeah, they have like a grainy button, right? Like remove all the grain, and that's it's AI that's working in the background. And so um, I mean, if you push that button and it enhances the image, it's it's still the photograph. Now, I'm not saying that we should allow like AI should like, you know, I don't know, like recreate the scene. Yeah, like it's like recreate. But no, if it's just like getting rid of the grain, it makes the image more clear. Yes, this is evidence, let it in the courtroom.

Timothy: 1:26:40

All of that is sound in the superior wisdom, and I would fully agree with it. But what's the one element that you are forgetting?

Jacob: 1:26:49

Uh well, I don't want to, I don't wanna I don't want to laugh at the same time, but well, you you posed the question, are prosecutors going to hell? I think then are how many judges are going to hell?

Timothy: 1:27:00

But anyways, that's I don't want to Well, what's the one point, the one piece of this whole evidence and puzzle that you are missing?

Jacob: 1:27:09

Uh I don't know.

Timothy: 1:27:11

The defense wanted to do it.

Jacob: 1:27:13

Oh, that oh, okay, yes, yes. Oh, yeah. You can't yeah, the judges can decide with the prosecutor.

Timothy: 1:27:19

Right. If a prosecutor would prosecutors enhance all the kind of time. And I'm using enhance as lies. Sure. Yeah. They'll bring in video reconstruction. What what do you think a a model of a house or a room is? It's it's a reconstruction. Yeah, reconstruction. Um you could play a a whole series of stuff, an AI here, enhancing the j there's no way the judge, if the prosecution has said, Yeah, Your Honor, we want to show an AI enhance, there's no problem. The judge would have said, Oh, sure, go for it.

Speaker 14: 1:27:50

Yeah.

Timothy: 1:27:51

But because the defense said we want to do it, then of course, no, you can't do that. Now, where do you think this took place at?

Jacob: 1:28:01

Oh boy. Um uh is this in Washington State then? Oh, you're getting warm. You're getting so warm, you're getting hot. Washington State? This is going.

Timothy: 1:28:13

What county? What county would this be? King County? King County? King County. Yes, absolutely King County. You know, King County, Judge Laurie K. Smith ruling that if you want to talk about the good qualities of your character, that's not allowed. And no prosecutor in the state of war has ever heard of that. They're famous for ruling things that are just so far out there that somehow always benefit the prosecution.

Jacob: 1:28:37

They're famous for not allowing evidence in the courtroom, that's for sure.

Timothy: 1:28:41

That's for sure. Um, go ahead and play the clip, and then we're gonna talk about it.

Speaker 2: 1:28:47

Quote A Washington state judge overseeing a triple murder case barred the use of video enhanced by artificial intelligence as evidence in a ruling that experts said may be the first of its kind in a United States criminal court. The ruling, signed Friday by King County Superior Court Judge Leroy McCullough and first reported by NBC News, described the technology as novel and said it relies on opaque methods to represent what the AI model thinks should be shown. This court finds that admission of this eye-enhanced evidence would lead to a confusion of the issues and a muddling of eyewitness testimony, and could lead to a time-consuming trial within a trial about the non-peer reviewable process used by the AI model, the judge wrote in the ruling that was posted to the docket Monday.

Timothy: 1:29:42

Okay, Jacob. Anything that you kind of picked up on there a little bit?

Jacob: 1:29:48

I well, I was even he's saying I don't even quite understand. This is the first I I've heard of this case. He won't let it in. Why?

Timothy: 1:29:57

Because it's Yeah, he needs to contact Judge Laurie K. Smith, an educator. Because it's several reasons why.

Jacob: 1:30:06

It's in a triple murder case, too. This is the murder case. This is important. I mean, you know what I mean? This is a big case.

Timothy: 1:30:13

Why not rule this way? You know, you can show the AI enhanced, right? And then the prosecution could come along with the unenhanced AI. Correct. And you let how many times the prosecution's prosecutors him and say, it's for the jury to decide. Yeah, yeah. Now all of a sudden, oh no, no, you can't bring it's because the defense, but but but I want you to pay very, very, very, very careful attention to his reasoning. Quote. This court finds that an omission of this AI enhanced evidence would lead to confusion of the issues. Hey, Judge Laurie K. Well, I Mr. McCall, call Judge Laurie K. Smith. We had a trial within a trial within a trial within a trial. Supposedly the jury was supposed to decide if detective McGrant McCall groomed the witness and whether that was okay, whether the church was okay, whether this was okay. It w was it not, Jacob? Probably if I had sat down to analyze it, six to seven trials within a trial, and it was all about confusion, so the jury at the end of the day didn't even know what they were looking at. Correct. This court finds that the admission of this AI enhanced evidence would lead to a confusion of the issues and a muddling of eyewitness testimony, and could lead to a time, get this time confusing, consuming trial within a trial. And how long did the trial last that we had to go through, Jacob? I think it was like 28 days or 28 days. And that's just the trial. Yeah. A month-long trial and a confusion. Really, I mean, technically what this judge is saying is true. Whether it applies to this particular evidence, that's a different issue. He's using a very logical, yeah, you don't want a trial within a trial. And you don't want things muddling up what the eyewitness testimony is saying. All of that's true. Now, I don't think for a moment that an AHI AI enhanced video is going to be all that time consuming. You show the video, you say what's there. Yeah. The prosecutors go, uh-uh, that's not what's there.

Jacob: 1:32:26

And then they can show, yeah, show your their version, and there you go.

Timothy: 1:32:30

Most would take four hours tops, and I'm kind of pushing it.

Jacob: 1:32:35

Well, yeah, that's and that's with every that's with all the that's with like the two sides arguing and sending the jury in and out and all this. Yeah. Yes. Couple hours. Probably a couple hours, two hours.

Timothy: 1:32:46

Do me a favor, King County Superior Court Judge Leroy McCollin, call Judge Laurie K. Smith, and prosecutor Jason Simmons. In fact, all of the King County prosecutors, and you play them the video from the law lynching that we were put through, Sound Dr. Church, Detective Grant McCall, and explain to them about time-consuming trial within a trial and confusing everything up and all, not to mention all the other illegal things that Judge Laurie K. Smith did to ensure that nobody understood even what the Constitution of Washington State had to do to say about freedom of religion. Okay, Jacob, mame my point. Take us out of here.

Speaker 10: 1:33:29

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