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Rabid Detective McCall King James Bible Only

The Consider Podcast Hosts Timothy & Jacob

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King County Prosecutors of Seattle, Washington, used and abused the legal system to take down a righteous church.  

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Prosecutor Mark Larson, Prosecutor Lisa Johnson, Prosecutor Nicole Weston, Prosecutor Rich Anderson and Prosecutor Jason Simmons. Judge Beth M. Andrus, Judge Lori K. Smith, Prosecutor Leesa Manion, King County Prosecutors' Office, City of Enumclaw, City of Enumclaw Police, Detective Grant McCall, Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys, Olympia, WA fully endorse and protect the setup by Enumclaw Detective Grant McCall. They recommend the Malcolm Fraser case of injustice to other prosecutors. Such Perverts of Jurisprudence increase the legal system's corruptions at an alarming rate.

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Timothy

Um do you know who Detective Grant McCall is of the city of Enum Claw who works and conspires with his co-conspirator and King County prosecutors of Seattle, Washington? Do you know who he is? Yes, I do. Oh, you do. You do know who he is. Do you know that also he is a rabid, as in rabid King James Bible-only individual? I do. You do know that. Yes. Have you suffered under his bigotry, his hatred, and his version of the Bible that comes along and destroys anybody in any church that he finds the fifth of because somebody complained about the church. Do you know who King County prosecutors put their full promotion behind and City of Enum Claw and the chief police chiefs promoted? I do. Wow, you know a lot of this stuff. I you know what I did not know. What'd you not know? I did not know that the King James Bible was the official Bible of Washington State. Uh neither did I. Well, it's true. If they go about persecuting and prosecuting churches that don't accept the King James only Bible version, then clearly that is the standard for which we all need to go for.

Jacob

Uh well, I I think it's uh I think that the the Washington State, I don't think they care about any Bibles. And they I don't know, J.K. I think Detective Grant McCall was just their pawn and their excuse to do what they wanted to do. Oh, talk about poison in the pot. There's a lot of poisons in that pot, different poisons. Everybody's got their angle.

Speculation, Motives, And Power

Timothy

Well, Detective Grant McCall testified in a court of law that it is his version of the Bible that he believes in. And Judge Beth Andrews smiled. Judge Laurie K. Smith didn't have a problem with it, and he got promoted in the city of Enum Claw. So I can only conclude by the evidence that there's a secret organization of prosecutors and police that are King James Bible-only individuals, and they are setting out to persecute and prosecute churches and individuals that do not accept that doctrine. That's the only thing I can conclude.

Jacob

Well, there's a lot of things we conclude, but yeah, we we could conclude we we could uh we could speculate, I believe, might be the term.

Timothy

Yeah, well, I could be right. There could be a group of uh police and detectives that are playing into this.

Jacob

I think they're more into like if we're gonna take a stab at it, wouldn't it be more like satanic rituals than KJV only?

Medieval English And KJV Comprehension

Timothy

Well, certainly things taught and inspired by demons, for sure. Of course, I'm being a little bit facetious here. Well, this next clip, the the person is going to actually read what the language would sound like. So if you went to a church that Detective McCall and any other prosecutors and these Christians that obviously clearly back a detective who is a King James only, this is what how you would hear them reading the Bible in church because they're purist, they're righteous, they're holy, they got it down. You know what would have been an interesting experiment is if I'd have preached only from the King James Version in the city of Enam Claw, I wonder how then it would have been more difficult. They'd have just made up something else. Anyway, play the video and let's listen up.

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What did medieval English sound like? A good shorthand way to figure out what medieval English sounds like is to take all vowels and pronounce them as you would in French and pronounce every letter. The word for wife would be pronounced weaf. The word for house would be pronounced house, the word night kinikt. Here is what the Lord's Prayer would have sounded like in Middle English, probably sometime in the 14th century. Ur Father that art in heaven us, haled be the nama, the reom or kingdom come to bay, and le not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Timothy

Yeah, I have to take my French and apply it to the King James Version. I mean, clearly this lady is educated. She says it like, yeah, we all know French. We all, you know, could do that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Jacob

Like we're supposed to know. Exactly.

Timothy

So any any quick thoughts on that? It's incomprehensible.

Jacob

Um yes, this is correct. Well, and she's also, yeah, uh the King James version uses very hard to understand language. However, she's referencing what, 14 something. KJV was uh late.

Preaching, Translation, And Clarity

Timothy

Yeah. Yeah. Um which there wasn't much difference. Again, yeah, we're not trying to be exact here. And by the way, I actually appreciate the King James version. I like its poetry, I like the way that it sounds, but it's not for preaching and it's not for teaching other people. All you're really doing at that point is okay, read it, then you have to explain to the person what they read, which then you've become your own Bible version or interpreter at that point, and then you have to go from there also. You kind of get my point, right?

Jacob

I get your point. However, if you were KJV only, they still would have persecuted you because there's uh the KJV, while very wordy, uh key stuff like uh Luke 14, 26, still says you have to hate your father, your mother, your wife, and children, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, so I'm just letting you know you'd still be persecuted.

Timothy

Oh, absolutely. In fact, if I was invited to a church to preach from the King James Version, and that's what they wanted me to do, I I would do it. Sure. In one sense, I would appreciate it, it would slow me down. You know, because I can get going pretty fast.

Jacob

Yeah.

Defining KJV-Onlyism

Timothy

Um, or I'd have to have I'd bring somebody up and go, uh, Jacob, would you read that passage? And then I could press on kind of routine. Sure. Uh I'd be pretty miserable at it. Um let's go to 1 Chronicles chapter 12, verse 32. And part of the reason I'm just bringing up this video is most people have a very difficult time while I was revealing the absurdity of Detective McCall. It's since most people, 90% of the people don't even know the controversy, like, well, what do you mean by King James only 1611? What we mean is these people are fanatically attached to the concept that you have to use what would be called or they consider the King James Bible, the original like 1611 or somewhere around there. Because it's gone through some changes and all of that kind of routine.

Jacob

It's been through a lot of changes, actually.

Timothy

People don't understand that when Detective McCall is testifying for this in a court of law, that this man is obsessed in his pride and in his self-righteousness, and you combine that with police abusive power and all the power they have is abusive. I mean, Detective McCall even pulled a gun on his fellow officers in the lobby of the I don't know if you do you call the police station the lobby or in the front office of it, and they went out running and they still kept him on and promoted him later on. So that we're not we're not talking in a um I wouldn't mind my neighbor next door who's like adamant King James only, likes to debate with me, and we kind of go at it. But as long as there's not this overweening self-righteous, like I'm going to burn you at the stake. In that sense, he's very much 1611. Like if you don't if you don't agree with it, I'm gonna burn you at the legal stake. That's literally what happened.

Jacob

Yeah.

Timothy

First Chronicles chapter 12, verse 32. I just want to say, look, you gotta understand the time in which we live. Now, I'm not all for gender-neutral Bibles or anything else. One of the it was the NIV way back, I want to say 1970s, that I consider kind of the best translation that was done well. The current one, you can't even buy that one. The current one that I go to for kind of a word for word is the ESV. Um, and even they've changed some language. But it, you know, it's it's not like the current NIV that's a total mess. First Chronicles chapter 12, verse 32.

Jacob

Go ahead and read that passage, Jacob. Men of Ishkar who understood the times and knew what Israel should do, two hundred chiefs with all their relatives under their command.

Timothy

They understood the times and knew what they should do. It's a different time period. This is not 1611 England, although the persecution's the same. Correct? Yeah, correct. And there's no wisdom. Clearly, we see that within King County prosecutors and the police station, and among those who would do King James only. Look, I I know, well, I know a lot of the churches that do 1611, but but they're not self-righteous, they're not overbearing. It's what they believe. I I look at what people actually obey.

Jacob

Sure.

Courtroom Clip And Repetition

Timothy

And by that I mean they obey the voice, the real word of God, which is Jesus Christ Himself. And that that's a whole different level. Read the King James, don't mind, uh, but don't burn me in the stake just because I don't agree with you. Yeah. Now, I know some people are thinking I'm nuts and this is crazy, and they still may think I'm crazy and nuts, and that that's okay. This next clip's a little bit long, but you're gonna hear uh Detective Grant McCall testify in a court of law that the Bible he believes in. And if you want more information about how this is all about the church, just go by several of the sites that we have on the Consider Podcast. Now, the video you're gonna play is long because it actually goes into the history and those who believe in the King James. We're not gonna discuss that part of it, but I wanted to put it in here just for reference, people for reference to show you what's kind of going on. Now, in this clip, I'm gonna repeat Detective McCall's words over and over again. And if you don't have the video format, but behind the video format are several cartoons and drawings and information about how this moved through the system, and this was not a minor deal by any means, and the persecution was extremely serious. It destroyed everything because this man is self-righteous and puffed up, and the people that support him are also self-righteous and puffed up, but they just don't happen to believe the King James Bible is the only one.

Why Archaic Language Obscures Meaning

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So their fruit's not right, their fruit's wrong, according to the Bible. And I agree with the Bible with what it says, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, so their fruit's not right, their fruit's wrong, according to the Bible. And I agree with the Bible with what it says, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, so their fruit's not right, their fruits wrong, according to the Bible, and I agree with the Bible with what it says, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, so their fruit's not right, their fruits wrong, according to the Bible, and I agree with the Bible with what it says, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in, and the version that I believe in.

SPEAKER_01

The King James Version, KJV, of the Bible, first published in 1611, stands as a monumental achievement in English literature and religious history. Its translators were committed to producing a faithful and clear rendering of the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts for their contemporaries. However, they worked within the linguistic framework of early modern English, employing spelling, punctuation, syntax, and vocabulary that were current at the time but have since become archaic. These features, while once accessible, now present significant barriers to modern readers and challenge the claims of King James-onlyism, the belief that the KJV is the only accurate or acceptable English Bible translation. One of the most evident challenges of the KJV is its use of outdated vocabulary and grammar. Terms such as the, thou, verily, and what are no longer part of everyday English and can confuse or alienate contemporary audiences. Resources like CARM and KJV today provide extensive lists of such archaic words and their modern equivalents, underscoring the extent to which the KJV's language has diverged from current usage. For example, suffer once meant allow and prevent meant precede meanings that are now obsolete and can lead to misinterpretation. Moreover, the KJV syntax, including verb forms ending in eth and est, uh reflects grammatical structures that have long since faded from use. While these forms once conveyed subtle distinctions, such as singular versus plural pronouns, their absence in modern English diminishes clarity for today's readers. The translators themselves acknowledge the evolving nature of language, expressing respect for earlier English translations and affirming that Scripture should be accessible in the language of the common people. Yet the English of 1611 is no longer that language. Critics of King James onlyism point out that these revisions undermine the notion of the KJV's perfection. If the 1611 version were flawless, why were thousands of alterations deemed necessary within just over a century? The existence of printing errors and textual variants in early editions further illustrates that the KJV, like all human endeavors, is subject to imperfection. While the King James Version remains a literary and historical treasure, its archaic language once a strength now poses a barrier to comprehension. The translators' emphasis on clarity and fidelity was rooted in the linguistic norms of their time, not a mandate for eternal immutability. Recognizing this reality allows for a more nuanced appreciation of the KJV, while affirming the value of modern translations in continuing the vital work of biblical accessibility.