105 April 2026

• Time to check the checklists and examples from the King County Prosecutor's corruption.
• Lying, law-lynchings and discerning false teachers checklist.
• Let us check the checklist to see if something is worth checking about the checklists. You know, those spiritual killer checklists. Ozzy Osbourne of the Black Sabbath band - you know the band that sang about Satan – well, it was all a misunderstanding. 
• But wait, can we have the envelope, please – the blue envelope. Not the Red White and Blue envelope…But the Blue envelope is only for those with Autism in Washington State.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Big Question

SPEAKER_04 0:05

Time to check the checklists. Let us check the checklist to see if something is worth checking about the checklists. You know, those spiritual killer checklists. Ozzie Osborne of the Black Sabbath Band. You know the band that sang about Satan? Well, it was all just a misunderstanding. But wait, can we have the envelope, please? The blue envelope. Not the red, white, and blue envelope, but the blue envelope that's only for those with autism in Washington State. All of this and more on the Consider Podcast in the month and year of a reward, April 2026.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness. More information can be found at www.consider.info. Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

Timothy 1:09

How's it going, Jacob? It's going good. Well, play the next uh intro and we'll dive into a question.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Ready? Set? Got a question for you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, says Jacob. Tough, says Tim. No whoa, no go woa. Here is the question.

Timothy 1:42

Jacob, are there any checklists in the Bible?

Jacob 1:47

Checklists. Oh yeah, there's lots of checklists. Well, in the Old Testament. Name 'em. Well, okay. Because in the law, you were required to do X, Y, and Z. You were like.

Timothy 2:02

But is it a checklist or just commandments?

Jacob 2:06

Um well, oh, so then you'd have to go into the definition of a checklist.

Timothy 2:11

Yeah, checklist is something. Check, got it. Check, got that done. Check, I did that. Any any checklist actually written into scripture.

Jacob 2:21

Uh well, no, there's no checklist with the little box, as like modern checklists have the little box, right? Check here or place the X. So no, in the Bible, there are no little boxes for check marks.

Timothy 2:37

What about even, you know, okay, I'll I'll give you that. Let's just kind of tweak it a little bit. Maybe no check boxes, but something that would imply a really kind of direct checklist. Like, yeah, don't do this check, you know, that kind of thing.

Jacob 2:51

Well, but then I'm still saying that there is because you go to the Old Testament and the checklist might have been repetitive, but it was like sacrifice this, do this, don't do this. There's a lot of things to remember. Now, back then they didn't have like pen and paper, so you didn't have an actual checklist, but the priests all had to go down the line. All of the commandments, which you it is true, you said it's a commandments, it was the law and the things you had to do. And so some of them were daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, etc. Well, what about the New Testament? Um, New Testaments. Well, oh yeah, there's commandments in the New Testament too, like rejoice always. Well, that's a line. There's like there's like all sorts of things, but they're not as like in in necessarily in this particular order, but sometimes there are.

Timothy 3:38

Okay. So there in your mind, there's quasi checklists without really being checklists, you just check it off and do it. Which which is kind of bringing a point. There's really And I'm just gonna throw this out here. You know, this is not like let's go to the mat and wrestle it down. There's only one checklist in the Old Testament. Only one, and none in the New Testament.

Jacob 4:02

Oh, there's only one checklist. Okay. I I don't know. Yeah, I I'm not sure where you're going.

Timothy 4:09

Well, you can't say whoa, whoa, whoa, because I already got you ahead of time. The only checklist in the Old Testament is the Ten Commandments.

Jacob 4:19

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Very fair. Yeah, one through ten. That's true.

Timothy 4:23

But you actually bring up a good point. All the checklists that are I'll just take your position because yeah, it's good to do. It's not, it's not that wrong. There's no right or wrong kind of routine. But how well did that work out? How well did the Old Testament in terms of his checklist of laws and the Ten Commandments and just all the things, and you know, you build it exactly as this. I mean, I could see Moses like, okay, we've got to build the temple here. God said this, check, check, check, check. So mentally it's kind of a checklist, but it's not what I'm calling today's Christianity, cultural Christianity checklist where you go down, okay, got that, check that box, check that box, and we'll get more into that in a moment. Um, so I see what you're kind of saying on that level, but how well did it work out?

Jacob 5:11

Uh it did not work out uh uh well at all. People were stubborn, people rebelled. That is why Jesus had to come to the earth.

Timothy 5:19

And didn't a lot of the New Testament say, you know, the law brought about sin and the law was powerless and the law didn't work. So you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_08 5:29

Yes.

Timothy 5:29

Okay, so what's the conclusion of the New Testament about checklists?

Jacob 5:34

Uh that they are actually worthless, they will get you nowhere, and the only answer is through Jesus.

Washington Blue Envelope Explained

Timothy 5:41

That is correct. So checklists are worthless. Yes. But we're gonna talk about cultural Christianity checklists toward the end of the show here and just how worthless. Because if you you can go to Bible bookstores, you can go online, and what what are we? We're inundated with checklists. We're inundated with rules or this and do this, and if you say this, you go down. I mean, the whole thing it's like we're in the New Testament. Well, what we're gonna get to here is one guy says, okay, we got to test the spirits, and then he gives a checklist of four things to check off. So I'm thinking, okay, fine. A demon shows up or a person shows up, I go down my checklist. How well is that actually going to work out? And it's not, we'll get into that in a moment. But we need to talk about Washington State. Have you heard about the blue envelope?

Jacob 6:33

Okay, I have heard about it kind of semi-vaguely, didn't pay too much attention.

Timothy 6:39

Well, if you can be diagnosed with autism, or they call it the autism spectrum, which already autism is like this broad brush stroke of, you know, it's like labeling someone with schizophrenia. Schizophrenia covers like hundreds of different aspects. In fact, what they don't know what to label you, they usually say, Oh, well, you're schizophrenic or whatever. So autism, this whole neurological differences and nuances and all this kind of thing. If you diagnose that way, you get a special just for you because you have this problem, blue envelope, so that when you're pulled over by the police, instead of this dialogue happening, you know, where the policeman tries to trick you out of your rights and get you to say, Oh, yeah, I'm drunk and I'm carrying a bazooka in my uh trunk and that kind of thing, so they can twist it and that allows prosecutors to twist it more so that you can do jail time, pay a fine, and everybody that's in the system can play this Machiavellian. Do you know who Machiavelli is?

Jacob 7:38

Uh vaguely.

Timothy 7:39

Yeah, well, we'll get into him some other day. Anyway, they do whatever benefits themselves without any concern or whatever, really, for the person that's involved. That's what it amounts to. So go ahead and play the clip, and we're gonna talk about what Washington State is doing with this blue envelope, special envelope.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Recap of law. Washington State has enacted a new blue envelope program through House Bill 22323, aimed at improving safety and communication during traffic stops for neurodivergent drivers, including those with autism. The law, signed by Governor Bob Ferguson, takes effect on June 11, 2026. Under the program, drivers can voluntarily carry a blue envelope containing essential documents such as their driver's license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance. The blue envelope serves as a signal to law enforcement that the driver may need clear, calm, and patient communication. No medical documentation is required to participate, and the envelopes will be available at no cost through driver licensing offices statewide or by request. The program also includes printed guidance inside the envelope for both drivers and officers on best practices for communication during traffic stops. The bill passed with strong bipartisan support, receiving a 92-1 vote in the House and a unanimous 47 to 0 vote in the Senate Washington State's autism spectrum Blue. A new policy in Washington State, often called the Blue Envelope Law, is getting attention for a simple but thoughtful idea. Make traffic stops less stressful and safer for neurodivergent drivers. At its core, the concept is straightforward. Drivers can place their license, registration, and other documents inside a blue envelope. When handed to an officer, that envelope quietly signals that the driver may communicate differently or need a bit more time to respond. The goal is to reduce confusion and miscommunication during police stops. That matters because traffic stops are often fast-moving, high-pressure interactions. Flashing lights, direct commands, and unexpected questions can be overwhelming, especially for individuals with autism or other cognitive differences. Importantly, participation is voluntary. There's no requirement to disclose a diagnosis or provide medical proof. The envelope simply acts as a communication aid. Nothing more, nothing less. Supporters of the idea point out that behavior under stress can easily be misunderstood. A delayed response, avoiding eye contact, or appearing nervous might be misread as suspicious. The blue envelope helps reframe that interaction before it escalates. As the article notes, it gives drivers one extra tool to handle the situation. It's also worth noting what the law does not do. It doesn't change who is allowed to drive. All standard licensing rules still apply. The distinction here is between the act of driving, which many people manage just fine, and the unpredictability of being pulled over. In the bigger picture, this policy is a small adjustment with potentially meaningful impact. It doesn't require major funding or structural change, yet it addresses a real gap in how people experience law enforcement encounters. Whether this becomes a model for other states remains to be seen. But at minimum, it raises an important question. How can everyday systems better account for different ways people think, process, and respond under pressure? What is really needed?

Timothy 11:55

What do you think, Jacob? Oh, you feel toasty and warm all inside?

Jacob 12:00

Um yeah, it sounds great. I could do the blue envelope thing then, supposedly. Maybe they'll treat me, you know, with like respect and they'll talk to me semi-nicely. It didn't say nicely, but slow. I think, you know, things like slow and calm and I didn't kind of catch it before.

Timothy 12:16

It said that you there was no medical exam that was required.

Jacob 12:20

Yeah, you don't have to prove anything. No medical cars, no nothing. You can just have so I could literally you could do it. I anybody, any citizen could put their stuff in there, and then there you go. Now there's no guarantees the cop is gonna, you know, I don't know, be nice.

Timothy 12:35

Well, um you that's you bring up a whole point. Now now I'm questioning like, I need to go check that out. I'm not gonna bother. Everybody else can check it out. But my guess is right now they're trying to pass this thing. They feel good about themselves, they can pat themselves together.

Jacob 12:49

Well they already passed it. It said it passed.

Timothy 12:51

No, no, that's what I meant. They they they they can put this into action, feel good, like they're doing all of this nice stuff. And of course, there's no cost right now. We we know how this all stuff goes. It just adds another layer. Why not just pass a law that cops can't lie?

Jacob 13:07

Exactly.

Timothy 13:08

Why not? I mean, okay, let's go to Matthew chapter 23, 24, and we'll come back to the rest of this because I got a better idea than just a blue envelope. Read it to us, Jacob, Matthew chapter 23, verse 24.

Jacob 13:21

You blind guides, you strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel.

Timothy 13:26

So let me get this straight. We can have a corrupt criminal type actions by the city of Eden McClaw police. But we can plas a we can overlook that particular corruption. I mean, that whole town is a mess. If you well, in fact, all of Washington's a mess. If you look at the current news thing, the DOJ, the FBI, all kinds of people are looking into the money fraud. But in the city of Endamclaw, it's been well documented. The evidence is there, nothing is done. They all pet the what's the point of the blue when you allow police, cops, prosecutors, and judges to be as corrupt as they can possibly be, to be lawless.

SPEAKER_08 14:06

Yeah.

Timothy 14:06

I mean, you remember the judge that everybody didn't want to work with? She's just this tyrant of to the people that are employed by the state, and the Supreme Court goes along, oh, you can't even touch that. Well, what's the point of a blue thing except to make yourself feel good and that those with autism now get special treatment? What is this fixation with the state of Washington about individuals that are handicapped, got problems, special classes of people identified over here, trans people here, but they leave this whole underbelly of corruption and criminal actions by the city of Enam Claw, the city of Enam Claw police, police in general, or when you're pulled over, of course being pulled over is stressful. How about reducing that for everybody? What's the point of the blue envelope except to pat your little pride and your little self-righteousness on your back and go, oh, we're helping people when you're not helping anything at all? You're just adding confusion. They'll work around it. Then if you do the envelope and then you go to court, you're gonna have to prove that you have autism. I mean, where does this kind of nonsense stop? How about just passing laws that when you're pulled over, you know that if that cop lies or he manipulates you, or the you know, DUI tests that hardly anybody can pass when they're sober, get those all cleaned up, come back and you know, why don't the Republicans do something besides just go along with these touchy-feely good things? I've said a lot of stuff, Jacob. Anything you want to say? Uh no. It's nonsense. So I think we should come up, just scrap this whole idea, okay, and let's do a red, white, and blue envelope that everybody can carry. In fact, until the state of Orange decides to correct itself and clean up, I mean, their whole legal system is a lawless mess. Would you not agree with that, Jacob?

Jacob 16:01

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Timothy 16:02

From family coral, I mean it the whole thing needs to be re-looked at, the uh bar association needs to be cleaned up. It's a complete mess and it's only getting worse. So, really, what I'm suggesting in the meantime is lawyers need to have a special envelope printed, and it could have their face on there, their contact information, so that when I'm pulled over, somebody's pulled over, right on there is the name of the lawyer. I mean, they could sell these things for, you know, a retainer fee of$100. So you're pulled over, you give the envelope, you don't have to say a word. I call this the red, white, and blue envelope. Play the rest of the video and let's talk about that, Jacob.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Awesome idea. It's a pleasant surprise to see Washington State take a meaningful step forward with blue envelope for those with autism spectrum. Now, let's rally the lawyers to design a red, white, and blue envelope for the everyday driver one that decisively puts an end to all the chatter, tricks, and convoluted Miranda rights confusion. Brilliant concept. How about also introducing a red, white, and blue envelope that clearly outlines your rights and stipulates what you will or won't consent to? The envelope demands that the officer refrain from asking any further questions, making comments, or engaging in any form of communication. It should clearly convey your wish for legal representation if arrested, and that all questioning and communication must stop immediately. Come on, lawyers, have these envelopes printed with your name, address, and telephone number to be given away. Bonus, see Miranda Wrights Update Video. The Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

SPEAKER_04 17:57

Updated Miranda Rights, year 2025. You may choose to remain silent, but the Supreme Court has established that silence can be interpreted as an admission of guilt. Any statement you make, refrain from making, or might potentially say will be distorted and used by the police before a dumbed-down jury, you have the right to an attorney, but only after the prosecutor's office has effectively undermined your financial capacity to pay for a lawyer. Keep in the forefront of your mind that facts, evidence, and logical reasoning are no concerns to police, judges, or prosecutors. Once you've been ruined by the accusations, a public defender, which is owned by the state, paid by the state, and made powerless by the state, will be assigned to your case. The prosecutors, police, and judges will ensure that your defense is limited to junk legal words and procedures. Do you understand that you no longer have any rights and surrender all thoughts of justice? Now, do you wish to speak to me or should I shoot your dog? The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness.

Timothy 19:30

By the way, the blue envelope is approved by police chiefs. They'll do anything to add this vanet or this white war that says, oh, we're noble, we're good, we're really concerned with people. In the meantime, yeah, you don't even have to dig very far. Again, I'm repeating it over and over again. If that were true, that these guys were noble, these police chiefs were all, you know, hot to trot for justice, City of Enum Claw would have been demolished long time ago for the full on corruption that they have done. But nah, we're not even close to that. Any words on that, Jacob? No.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

Choke, gag, choke, cough, choke. Those annoying call for justice gnats. Munch munch, wipe the mouth munch. Mmm. Tasty camel meat barbecue camel meat. Smoked special status camel meat. Criminal camel cop meat. Now that is an all-you-can-eat buffet of camel meat in Washington State. Munch a bunch of Matthew 23-24. You blind guides. You strain out a net but swallow a camel. The Consider Podcast. www.consider.info. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

Why Cultural Checklists Mislead

Timothy 21:03

So Governor Bob Ferguson, why don't you send in a special independent prosecutor that doesn't even have to be honest, just has to be a special independent prosecutor to go for City of Enum Claw. There's a whole depth of corruption in that city. But eh, enjoy your camel meat and choke on those little gnats because we keep saying, hey, we want some justice with all the injustice Washington State seems to relish and like and choke on. Anything, Jacob? No. All right, well, let's continue to press on with our checklist section. Now I'm going to give you an easy one because what we're going to look at is a checklist in a moment that somebody has written that says, Here are the four things you need to do to test the spirits. Because we're commanded in scripture to test the spirits because not every spirit comes from God. These checklists have been around for decades upon decades upon decades. They're worthless. They're all Also, just completely in vain. They're powerless to help, and all they do is keep you from living real Christianity. However, I want to give you an easy one. And you take your little checklist. I know you don't really have one. Take your little checklist and apply, and you tell me, Jacob, is this true? Is this a reality? Go ahead and play the clip.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

But the people and the people want to know because you're in the heart of the music business. And I'm going to look in your eyes. Have you seen it? I have because I've never seen it. But I have heard I've never seen it. It never ha nothing evil was ever in our household in that capacity. My dad and I believe you. Yeah. I mean, my dad was a my dad was a believer in Christ. He had a Bible. Like, yes. Um War a cross. Wore a cross. All the time. A beautiful cross. Every day of his life. Yes. Hey Jake. That was too like what my dad would get.

Jacob 22:58

Uh well, I know from what we were going to talk about that the uh we're talking about Ozzie Osborne. I'm pretty sure that guy right there with the beard is his son. That is correct. Yeah.

Timothy 23:11

This is and by the way, I got this information in this clip from a quote unquote Christian website.

Jacob 23:18

Sure, that they're trying to justify that Ozzie Osbourne was a Christian. He had a Bible and he wore crosses.

Timothy 23:26

Is it static?

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Go ahead and finish. This is Ozzie Osborne, a Black Sabbath. And that was that was too like what my dad would get. He got a lot of frustration about it because he's like, but that people are saying I'm this thing and I'm not this thing. That's why you cannot fucking ever trust the news, right? The news declared, you know, it would be all over CNN or news stations. Oh, Ozzy's a Satanist who's gonna do all this stuff because you know, if you see this part in a song, it could be this and that.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Watch this the stems be for me.

SPEAKER_06 24:07

This is Ozzie Osborne's first album, first song. Go ahead.

Timothy 24:46

No, just keep playing.

unknown 24:47

Oh no.

Timothy 24:52

All right, Jacob. Use all your discernment, put it all together as best you can. Take your little checklist. What do you think? Ozzie Osborne was a Christian. And we were just all mistaken. It was just because the news media. News. CNN.

Jacob 25:08

I mean, they said there was this part of the song. And they, this is why you can't believe the media. This is why. Technically, he is correct. We should never believe the media. Media either, yeah. But uh well, oh, technically, this time I would agree with the media. This is the one of the few times I agree with the media.

Timothy 25:29

What's amazing is that the guy is lusting for the one that's interviewing. Oh, no.

Jacob 25:36

Oh, he oh, but yeah, he told me the lie. I mean, you might say look me in my eyes, look me in my eyes and tell me. And then as soon as he says, I knew it, I I believe you, I believe you.

Timothy 25:47

I'm joking. Because okay, where do I go from here from that? I mean, you just but that's not even to say the rest of the Christian church is much better off. I can get a lot of you know, Baptist people, I know I'm a Methodist, but you can get a lot of other Christians go, well, no, there's no way Ozzy Osborne Christian. Although when I did look at the comments, there was a lot of comments saying, like, well, if he was born again, or this. I mean, the gos the gospel has been so simplified that literally anybody who says I believe in Jesus or kind of whatever, they can do whatever because grace will cover them. Yeah, that's what they they literally say. Yes. And that's how they live, and that's what they do, and that's the result of checklists. Because checklists are nothing more than idolatry with the word of God where you can manipulate it to say what you want and not ignore other stuff. Uh took my breath away, but you can understand the opposition. Okay, we got King County, uh City of Seattle, Detective Grant McCall, a rabbit that I believe in the 1611 King James Bible only, therefore, Sound Doctrine Church, Timothy Williams, myself are all wrong. It's out of sync because we don't go along with the King James Bible. I mean, these are both equal nonsense. The only difference is City of Enum Claw used police abusive powers to promote their corruption, whereas this just I don't know, corrupts the whole world or part of the same thing? Uh thoughts, Jacob.

Jacob 27:29

Um, yeah, corrupting the whole world is what uh Ozzy Osborne did. Did.

The False Teacher Checklist Problem

Timothy 27:36

Yeah. And people there were people believing and wanting to believe, and his family believed that he's resting in peace. I mean, okay. Let's press on and talk about false teacher checklist. One of the problems with the false teacher checklist, because this checklist only has four points. We'll kind of dig into it more toward the end, so I'm I'm building a foundation to get there, is that there's an assumption there that who's ever applying the checklist is in Jesus Christ. Is a disciple walking the narrow road? Play the next clip and let's begin to talk about that assumption.

SPEAKER_04 28:21

Step by step, each rung of the ladder raises one above the earth. High and higher into the spiritual stratosphere, one climbs. Lofty ideals. Up in the Bible clouds, the religious look down to test and examine. Looking down upon the stirring Christian waters below, they look to see. Ready, set, jump, and dive to conclude, to win the prize. Oops, it's the shallow end of the pool. Galatians 6.3. If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. The Consider Podcast.info. Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness.

Timothy 29:24

You know, you can do you can apply an acid to the particular element to see if it shows up to be real gold or not, right? Yeah. Would you give a vial of this acid to a 10-year-old child or five-year-old child and say, Yeah, go outside and see if you can find some gold. Would you do that? And you say, Here, what you do is you take this acid. You'd say, Oh, now be very careful and go pick up these stones and check it all. Would you then would you walk away from that and let the acid test have its way?

Jacob 29:56

Uh no, definitely would not be doing that.

Isaiah Warns Rule On Rule

Timothy 29:59

Now, why would you not be doing that? Uh, because the child will most likely hurt themselves. And that's what these checklists do. There's a huge assumption here that the checklist is somehow inherent in truth and is the word of God. And so you just throw out this checklist and you tell people, okay, this is what you do to watch out for false prophets or false teachers. When there's a huge assumption, like I just said, that somehow these people are really truly disciples of Jesus, surrendering everything, despising the dollar, hating their father and mother, brother, you know, walking through the narrow gate. See, usually what happens with these checklists is they take what I just said and apply the checklist to me and come to the conclusion I'm a false prophet. There's the link there of this particular checklist, and you can bring it up later or now. It doesn't really matter. We're not going to read from it online. My point, this is just usually how it goes. I mean, there's nothing out of the norm here. I've seen these things many, many times over. Like, let me go over real quickly the four signs you may be hearing to test for a false prophet. One, the gospel is replaced with a gospel of comfort. Okay. Number two, scripture is twisted to support a predetermined conclusion. Correction is treated as an attack. The teacher's lifestyle contradicts the message. And that's pretty much it. There is little paragraphs here and there, and there is a little bit of scriptures in there. And we're going to come back to that and break it down a little bit. But here's the problem. There's no depth to all of this. And all of you could apply those points to true Christianity, to Paul, the Apostle Paul, and to Peter, and come to the conclusion they are false teachers. Go ahead and play Isaiah chapter 28, verse 10 there, because this is what checklists do.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

A checklist here, a checklist there, a guideline here, and a guideline there, a rule here, a rule here and there, all in the name of Jesus. Well, Isaiah 28, 10 through 14. For it is, do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule, a little here, a little there. Very well then. With foreign lips and strange tongues, God will speak to this people, to whom he said, This is the resting place. Let the weary rest. And this is the place of repose, but they would not listen. So then the word of the Lord to them will become, do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule, a little here, a little there, so that they will go and fall backward. Be injured, ensnared, and captured. Therefore, hear the word of the Lord, you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem. The Consider Podcast.info. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

Timothy 33:19

Jacob read the first far first part of Isaiah 28.13 there. No brush. It gives us a chance to chew on what we've heard. Isaiah 28.13, just the very first section.

Jacob 33:40

So then the word of the Lord to them will become do-and-do.

Timothy 33:47

Do-and-do. Rule on rule. See, part of the problem is there's money involved. If you don't do checklists, you don't do charts, uh, there's no money in it. If you just go, hey, go to the New Testament, and here's what you need to do, and I'll outline that here in a little bit. Uh there's no money in it, because anybody can do that. So, and plus, you know, everybody wants rules. Everybody wants to be told what to do. One of the reasons people love Sound Doctrine Church is because I wouldn't tell them what to do, and there weren't a bunch of were there a bunch of rules, Jacob? Um there was some guidelines. Oh, for sure. There was leadership, there was structure, there was the narrow road, there was the narrow gate, but it wasn't like, well, here's the ten ways to kind of overcome lust, or here's the ten ways to tell the truth, or here's the ten ways to spot a false prophet, or here's the ten ways to do that. There weren't those kinds of checklists that you can just go down a box. No. We'll see here why in a moment is clearly we're in the why why would there not be? What would be the problem with me producing and preaching the gospel in that kind of way?

Jacob 34:57

Uh because again, that's um obviously we already talked about there's no checklist, but you can't just make rule rules, rules were in the Old Testament. There were rules and it didn't work. So without the Holy Spirit, it's dead.

Timothy 35:12

It has to be completely the Holy Spirit. God, Jesus came to put these things in our heart, in our spirit. I carry the truth with me. And the more that I have that truth, meaning Jesus Christ. Besides, what is the word of God? Is the word of God ink on paper produced by Zondervan, or is Jesus Christ, the living Jesus Christ, the Word of God? The living Jesus Christ. So if he comes along, the important point and what these lists never do, you never find a list of saying, is your church doing this? Is your church doing that? Are you doing this like hating your father and mother? Check. Uh hating and despising money, check. Have you surrendered everything today? Check. I don't think there's a list out there you could go buy to get that, right? Correct.

Jacob 35:57

Yeah.

Timothy 35:57

No. So what they do is in order to keep from purely picking up their cross and following Jesus Christ, you create this little idolatry list that says, okay, yeah, I'm doing this. Think Pharisee and Sadducee. Aren't they the ones that produced all these lists? Yes. Aren't these the ones that came and said, well, scripture says this, and it's all divided up here, and nothing comes from Jerusalem, and we know where this man's from. They're going down their checklist, looking at Jesus and coming to a completely wrong conclusion and crucifying. They're spiritually blind. Yes. That's why Isaiah 28, 13 says, so they will go and fall backwards. These checklists move you backwards away from Jesus Christ, and you'll be taken in by yourself. And most people are their own worse false prophet and their false teacher because they're the ones teaching themselves. Oh, I did the checklist. I looked at it here. Oh, yeah, that. Oh, that sounds good. Well, I'll tweak it here. And so you kind of get this like, well, Timothy Williams can't be correct. This can't be true because, oh, look at this. And we'll see that here in a moment. It says they will be injured, snared, and captured. Nothing good comes from these checklists. Let me read Isaiah 28.13 again. This is what God is saying. Okay, for those that are into their checklist, put on your checklist Isaiah 28.13 and check it off and say, so then the word of the Lord to them will become. You transfer it into something that it's not meant to be. Do and do. Do and do. Rule on rule. Rule on rule. You kind of get the idea. God's like repeating it rule after rule after rule. A little here. And see, we'll see that here in a moment in this four points of spotting a false prophet. A little here and a little there. There's never the complete message. The only thing you can do with that is like conclude, well, everybody's a false teacher who I disagree with. And you never get to the point you're actually picking up a cross and listening to godly preachers that are living the message. So that they will go, they're moving along their way, they're doing their thing, and what it says will happen, Jacob. What will happen? They will fall backward. This is going backwards. They'll be injured, they'll be snared, and they'll be captured. Verse 14. Therefore hear the word of the Lord. You get the idea that God's trying to move us beyond checklists and law. Alright. Here's some points to ponder. Because what they're going to say is, well, we got to search the scriptures. Not a problem. It's kind of weird, but because they don't preach rules and checklists, I'm accused of not preaching the word. Which is completely absurd because what is it that I only preach, Jacob? The Word of God. That's it. In its pure form. That's why Scripture says preach the word, the living word. There is no checklist. There is only the pure word of God in its entirety. Um play this pinecular clip because I wrote a book called Utacult. And it's about love and the first church. And the question is, is your church love like the first church? Is your church persecuted like the first church? Go ahead and play that, Jacob.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Hey, just uh just a question or two. Well, okay, maybe three. Does your church love like the New Testament church? Does your church seek to have the righteous and obedience like the first church? Does your church face persecution, being slandered as a cult, for loving Jesus like the first church? To answer those questions, drop by www.consider.info and listen to the audiobook by Timothy entitled Ode to Cult, the Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

Four Signs Checklist Read Aloud

Timothy 40:09

Okay, Jacob, let's go ahead and listen to the whole four signs of how to spot a false prophet. That would be number twelve there. Okay. This is from the website and this is their text, this is what they wrote. And let's analyze this a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

The following checklist is from a general Christian website with the following passage quoted quite often from Acts chapter 17. Now, these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Acts chapter 17, verse 11. Four signs you may be hearing false teaching. Scripture gives us clear markers to look for. These are not obscure theological debates. They are patterns that show up again and again throughout biblical history and in our own time. One, the gospel is replaced with a gospel of comfort. When a teacher's primary message is your success, your happiness, your best life, and the cross is nowhere in sight, something is missing. Paul called this another gospel in Galatians 1 8 and pronounced a strong warning over those who preach it. Two, scripture is twisted to support a predetermined conclusion. False teachers rarely reject the Bible outright. They cite it selectively, strip verses of their context, and build entire theologies on out-of-place passages. Always ask, what does the full chapter say? What did the original audience understand? Three correction is treated as an attack. Healthy teachers welcome accountability. They welcome questions. When a ministry responds to scriptural challenges with hostility, defensiveness, or social pressure, that is a warning sign worth taking seriously. Four, the teacher's lifestyle contradicts the message. Jesus said in Matthew 7 that we will know them by their fruits. Lavish wealth extracted from struggling congregations, patterns of moral failure, and leadership structures built on fear rather than love. These are fruits worth examining.

Paul Breaks The Checklist Logic

Timothy 42:38

Any thoughts? Right off the top, Jacob. Who put this out? Who is this? What is this? This is actually it's probably I've often seen this among Church of Christ, because they're going to quote here in a moment in Acts where it says they diligently study the scriptures. Yeah. And this is a basic, very much four-point. This is I've seen this over and over and over again. Um so who put it out? The link's there, but they I don't they didn't just state what denomination they were. I'm just supposing that they could be Church of Christ. But it doesn't matter. I've seen this all over the place. What was your initial thought? Um, yes, sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Okay, you'll notice that he starts off saying that you gotta know the scriptures, you gotta know the scriptures, right? That that's the measurement of everything. But then he goes on to say, well, you gotta know the context of all the scriptures there. Okay, yeah, you know, whatever. It's I'm the context. But then he goes, then you need to understand what the people were hearing at the time. Yes. Well, I thought it was just scripture we were supposed to go to, but now it's scripture, then it's scripture in the context, and now you got to know the culture of the time when the scripture is written. So you don't even keep to your own checklist, and so that's why you wind up with all of this confusion that is going on. Paul will go on to say, and then I can't go through all of this. That's why I'm kind of hem-hawing around here, because we're just going to talk about the basics here in a moment. In one section, he says correction is treated as an attack. Healthy teachers welcome accountability. They welcome questions. When a minister responds to scriptural challenges with hostility, defensiveness, or social pressure, that is a warning sign we're taking seriously. Well, you couldn't accept Paul. Jacob, let's go to Galatians chapter 2, verse 4. And I want you to read verses 4 and 5 and see if this correction would his little checklist would go, oh, Paul may not be. He may be a false teacher. Go ahead and read it.

Jacob 44:41

This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Timothy 44:54

Does that sound like somebody that's being all nice and dandy? No. Open to correction? No. Somebody's going, well, you know, because any good leader, any good church is open to accountability, to questions. It depends on who's asking the question. Of course, we're leadership is open, but not toward fools, not toward people that are coming to enslave us or to take advantage. In fact, let's go to 1 Corinthians chapter 4, verse 21, and you tell me according to this list, would Paul be a godly teacher or a false teacher? First Corinthians 421 begins with what do you prefer? You see, it's up to the person. Go ahead, Jacob. What does Paul say? What is written in Scripture? What is the context?

Jacob 45:46

What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a whip or in love and with a gentle spirit?

Timothy 45:54

What do you think? Does that qualify to one of his four signs that this could be a bad church and a bad congregation, a false teacher, somebody to avoid?

Jacob 46:05

Well, then they'll be like, well, but the you have to understand the the church in Corinth and it was written to them and it was written because they were blah, blah, blah. I'm just saying, they'll they'll go on and on. Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

Timothy 46:17

The point is he uses the word whip. Correct.

Jacob 46:20

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, tech oh yes. According to the four-step checklist guy here, he would be like, he would, he should he is instructing the Church of Corinth that they should not be listening to Paul because he is like, he's coming back at them, and you can't do that.

Acts 17 Context And The Cost

Timothy 46:38

And he's saying it in such with authority and like, shall I come with a whip? It's your choice. I can be gentle, I can be kind, or I can come with a whip and take care of this situation. Which is it? Do you prefer? Correct. The whole problem with all of this is that the word of God is Jesus, not ink on paper, not checklists. The way that you test the spirit is with spiritual means, not checklists. You won't find Jesus out being tempted by Satan and have his little checklist. Yeah. This is a battle in the desert. It's a spiritual battle. It's funny how they'll often quote our battle's not against flesh and blood, and then they come down to these basic things. All right, we're gonna run out of time here. So let's do the context of what he is saying, because he's saying you gotta look at the context and examine the scriptures. So let's go ahead and play number eleven there.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

So consider the points of context. Washington State, Seattle, King County, prosecutors and judges, Enam Claw police, Enum Claw lawyers, Enam Claw churches, City of Enum Claw, City Council, corruptions, city of Enam Claw, Detective Grant McCall, who believe only in the King James Bible, false brother and sisters, local news propaganda, unbelievers, doubters, and jealous pastors. Does all this sound familiar? It does to King County prosecutor Jason Simmons, representing prosecutor Lisa Manion, who stated, What are you going to do when your church can no longer meet? Now for some context. Acts chapter 17, chapters one through thirteen. When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, he said. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God fearing Greeks, and not a few prominent women. But the Jews were jealous, so they rounded up some bad characters from the marketplace, formed a mob, and started a riot in the city. They rushed to Jason's house in search of Paul and Silas in order to bring them out to the crowd, but when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some other brothers before the city officials, shouting, These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here, and Jason has welcomed them into his house. They are all defying Caesar's decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus. When they heard this, the crowd and the city officials were thrown into turmoil. Then they made Jason and the others post bond and let them go. As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. When the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Bershia, they went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up.

Timothy 50:29

Okay, Mr. Jacob, go to the website where this is at, because there's an important scripture here that all of these checklists like this frame. On the website, he quotes Acts chapter 17, verse 11, or you can just pull it up there, either way you want to do it, but says, Now, these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word of God with great eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. The idea behind the checklist is okay, we need to examine the scriptures. Now obviously we've got to do this in context. We've got to have it in its proper place. There's the assumption that we're living. So let's let's look and think about what the context is of what these scripture is saying. Any comments before I move on with that, Jacob? Uh no, real quick, only because yeah, which scripture? Where was I at? Acts chapter 17, verse 11. Okay, hold on a second. I just want to get there. Sure, no problem. What he says in the on the website is notice what Luke calls them because of this noble-minded. So see, it says this noble-minded checklist. They were not called divisive, suspicious, or faithless. Their willingness to hold even an apostle's teaching up to scripture was considered a mark of spiritual maturity. This is the Breeyan standard, and that is the foundation of biblical discernment. So everything is ink on paper. You got to remember, 2 Corinthians 3.3, don't go there, it says, You show that you're a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the Living God. Not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of the human heart. He goes on to say in 2 Corinthians 5.16, so from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view, though we once regarded Christ in this way. We do so no longer. The way this is framed on this website is to look at Jesus Christ from a worldly point of view. In other words, you just take scripture, you just kind of break it apart, you look at it, and you apply it, and then you come to the conclusion that you're really looking for here. This is not going to lead to the cross. This is not going to lead to more surrender. This is not even what is biblical discernment? We're talking spiritual discernment. This is Pharisee, Sadducee. All right, so what he's saying is the Thessalonians were more noble character because they would examine what Paul was saying. Read that again, Jacob, in Acts chapter 17, verse 11, there.

Jacob 52:56

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Timothy 53:13

Um what scriptures would they be examining? They would be examining the Old Testament scriptures. That's right. They couldn't even look at the New Testament scripture, correct?

Jacob 53:24

Correct.

Studying Scripture Without Coming

Timothy 53:24

So they had to take a step of faith. It wasn't like they had the New Testament, the commentaries, the context, what's being said, put that all together and said, okay, well, Paul is preaching a message. There was an element, in other words, Paul preached the scriptures, but the only way you could ultimately come to a proper conclusion is true faith in Jesus Christ, not some form of a checklist that allows you to come to a correct conclusion. There would be a step of faith. Paul would be saying, okay, this is who Jesus is, this is what it's about. He died, he carried the cross, this is what he taught. They didn't have the New Testament to go and read in Luke chapter 14, verse 25, or whatever. They had to take his word for it about Jesus Christ and what he taught. What they were looking at is the Old Testament that signified that Jesus was the Christ and that he did live and he was crucified. And if you want to play the context thing, sure, in the context, they knew what had been going on. It was news everywhere. But in terms of a canon called the New Testament to break down what Paul is saying, whether it's right or wrong, was that there? No, it was not. So it required a step of faith. It required them to go back to God. And before they could say, well, okay, God, what is truth? They'd have to surrender everything, wouldn't they? In order to know whether Jesus Christ is really the Christ. I mean, you could go through the Old Testament and you could say blah, blah, blah, and this is who Jesus is. And there the Pharisees didn't come to that conclusion, did they? No. Did the Sadducees come to that conclusion? No. So Paul's preaching the same message. He preached to the Pharisees and the Sadducees. And the Sadducees and the Pharisees crucified along with the Roman authorities and the governing authorities crucified Jesus Christ. They came to a wrong conclusion. So in the listening of Paul's preaching at this point, it's not a checklist to check who's a false teacher. It is, okay, the foundation of the scripture is there. What he's saying is true. We see this in the Old Testament. We see this going on. The only conclusion then you're forced to do is to actually go before the living God and surrender everything so that God, so that God can tell you the truth. Go to John chapter 5, verse 39. Because Jesus said this himself. And again, they wouldn't have had the book of John to go to, and so Paul would have said, you know, Jesus said this. John chapter 5, verse 39. I'll let you read it when you get there, Jacob. Read 39 and 40.

Jacob 56:02

You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Timothy 56:17

I mean, it isn't a checklist. You diligently study the scriptures. Checklist. Because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me. What these checklists do not do, is there anything in this guy's checklist, this four checklist, that says, Now, before you do this, or the conclusion of this is you have to go to Jesus Christ and hate your own life as Jesus taught before God will give you wisdom. In fact, in this thing, again, I don't have time to break it all down. He says, Oh, you can ask God for wisdom because James says God gives wisdom generously to all without finding fault. Well, not to the pagans, not to people not picking up their cross. Talk about out of context. How about taking James, where it says God gives wisdom freely to all without finding fault, and apply the context of the whole New Testament? How about that? Yeah. So you're not going to get any wisdom. The checklist will cause you to fall backwards. Because what you're going to come to conclusion is, oh, well, Tim Williams is kind of rough. He's not open to accountability. Well, how do you know I'm not a how do you know you're not the jerk?

Jacob 57:29

Well, how do you know? Okay, because the scripture we looked at earlier, how do you know that you're not the spy that has infiltrated? That's the question. Because you know what I mean? Because that's Paul was going to deal with spies harshly.

Timothy 57:40

He was going to deal with spies with a whip. Correct. And not to mention, we're not supposed to eat with anyone who claims to be a Christian but is a hypocrite.

Jacob 57:48

Yes.

Timothy 57:48

Oh, well, that's judgmental. You're not open to correction. The wine's just going on. Again, go read Uda Call if you want to see all of this in detail. I'm just trying to simply broad brushstroke, you know, white canvas, say, look, you go out and paint this, look at it more in detail yourself. These checklists are not just worthless, they are in the way. They will keep you away from Jesus Christ. At one point, remember he says, you know, you got to watch out for people that, in terms of lavish lifestyle, you know, the prosperity teachers. Yeah. Okay, that's kind of obvious. It's like it's like, you know, stay away from Black Sabbath because Black Sabbath is bad and it's music that doesn't work. Really, that that takes a checklist? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:30

Yeah.

Sheep Know The Shepherds Voice

Timothy 58:31

That really doesn't even take discernment. No. It takes defilement to agree with that. Well, how come he doesn't list there? Anyone who's not being taught by Jesus Christ to hate and despise money should be avoided. They always go out to these all these extremes, yeah, these prosperity. But what happens is it filters down to the person really preaching and living the message of the cross following Jesus Christ as being labeled as a false teacher. Thoughts on any of that so far? No. One way that we really test the spirits, go to John chapter 10, verse 4. And see, this is not a checklist. If you checklist this, it won't work. John chapter 10, verse 4. Read verses 4 and 5, Jacob.

Jacob 59:22

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger. In fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice.

Timothy 59:41

You know, do this, do this, this that requires you to hear God's voice?

Jacob 59:45

Uh no, that guy didn't have anything about it.

What The Bereans Really Risked

Timothy 59:47

No. Now they usually tack in the Holy Spirit, because you gotta obviously put that in there. But what they really mean is I checkbox, I have the Holy Spirit, therefore I come to the proper conclusion. That being able to hear God's voice, to recognize one that is a growing difficult thing. You have to follow Jesus Christ daily and hourly toward the cross. John chapter 10, verse 4. This is one mechanism by which you test a false teacher. When he was brought out on his own, he goes on ahead of them and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. It doesn't say because they can do the checklist properly. John chapter 10, verse 5, but they will never, never follow a stranger. It comes down to hearing God's voice correctly. What you're really seeing out there in the Christian community, like uh the guy that likes Ozzy Osborne, is he hearing the voice of God correctly? No. Neither is the guy that has these four steps. He's not hearing God's voice at all. In fact, God's voice is not anywhere near. Now, what'll happen, of course, is now that I, if this gets back to them, they'll check in, make sure you're hearing God's voice. So you have another checklist and it just destroys. But they will never follow a stranger. In fact, Jesus says, in fact, this is solid. You can count on this. Put this on your spiritual checklist if you have to. They will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice. Comes down to the voice you're hearing. Part of the problem is when I preach the message of the cross, that's not the Jesus they're listening to. They're listening to something else. And that's why there's so much opposition to the true gospel call. You have to have and be in a position where you're surrendered all in order to hear God's voice. Okay, let's kind of wrap this up. Any comments, Jacob, before I kind of come back at this? All right, let's look again at the context of where he's quoting that the Brians were more noble. What is the context? Can you tell? Remind me, Jacob, what is the context?

Jacob 1:01:57

Um no, I'm scrolling on the article to find it.

Timothy 1:02:03

Oh, where he says it? Yeah, uh go down there just a little bit right there. See where it says now they were more noble. Yeah. Go ahead and read that again for people because we're going to talk about this in just a moment.

Jacob 1:02:16

Notice what Luke calls them because of this, noble-minded. They were not called divisive, suspicious, or faithless. Their willingness to hold even an apostle's teaching up to scripture was considered a mark of spiritual maturity. This is the Berean standard and is the foundation of biblical discernment. Okay, then quote. The foundation, really? I thought the foundation was Jesus Christ. Well, at least this is honest. It's not about Jesus Christ. But yeah, they can't even, you know what I mean? This is not even like talking the talk. Like, really, the foundation of all biblical discernment is the Berean standard. Anyways, go. Oh, sorry.

Timothy 1:03:01

No, no, it's a worldly point of view. It's looking at Jesus as if this were a Bible study, checklist, commentary type thing. Uh most people do this, by the way. They just don't frame it as well as he framed it, so to speak. Okay, we'll read the scripture again, Acts chapter 17. He quotes it right below there, and let's talk about because he says go to the context, right? Uh yes. All right, so we're gonna go to the context here. Go ahead and read Acts chapter 17, verse 11.

Jacob 1:03:28

Well, right here on the website, NASB. Now, those were now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonia, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. All right.

Timothy 1:03:44

Well, I want to look at the context. Okay. So let's back all the way up, back, back, back, back up, go to Acts chapter 17, let's start in verse one, and let's build through the context. And you tell me if his life lives this, if his church lives this, this goes back again to is your church being persecuted, being called a cult? Are you being ran out of town like we were out of the city of Enum Claw? Let's go to Acts chapter 17, verse 1, because that is the context. Most people would look at my life, what I preach, the city of Enum Claw, and conclude I'm a false teacher, that I deserve what I got. That's that's the conclusion. Yes. Right? Yes. Judge Laurie K. Smith, Beth Andrews, uh, all the prosecutors, they would say, You deserve what you got because I preach the word of God. Yes. Well, let's look at the context and see if this checklist is in context. Verse 1 says, When they passed through, and I'll do a butcher, this Amphilus and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the scriptures. Same thing he's doing to the other people, right? He's just reasoning from scripture. Now it's all Old Testament, and they're listening to what Paul has to say. And their conclusion is much different. Verse three, Paul says, explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. Was there anything listing within what he was saying is make sure you are suffering against sin as 1 Peter 4:1, so that you can hear clearly from the Holy Spirit who's a false teacher and who's a true teacher?

Jacob 1:05:31

No, in fact, this 17.3, you could say is the foundation of biblical discernment. Absolutely. Yeah. You are absolutely say that again, Jacob. Well, he should have cherry picked, right? If we're if we're gonna zero in on a verse, it should have been this one, Acts 17 3, and said, Well, this, well, if if we're gonna do a checklist, what how about we this would be one of the points.

Timothy 1:06:00

Amen. What can I say? Explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ he said. There was nothing about the sufferings of Jesus Christ, not even close. It's a nice, comfortable gift for coffee cup, go down the checklist and decide. Well, first of all, the best way to use these kind of checklists, do and do, is decide who you don't like, who you don't want to listen to, you know, like a Paul or Timothy Preacher. This is oh, yeah, he's not open to correction. Oh, he's kind of mean. Oh, we're not supposed to. So oh, he's taking scripture out of context. I mean, once you go that context route, you can just throw out everything. You want to do whatever you want. Because you can just go, and I've heard it a million times. It's out of context. You know, the measurement, people, is what you obey. And sh okay, so maybe I have hating, despising money out of context. Well, then show me by your life what the context is. Not a bunch of words and not a checklist. All right, verse four. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women. But listen up, King County prosecutors, Acts chapter 17, verse 5. But the Jews were jealous. You start winning people over. You start doing things in town. Bookstore, business, church, tracks, serving the community. Don't underestimate the fact that there's some jealousy there that their church isn't all that it should be. Correct, Jacob? All right. So what happened to Nina McClaw? Again, I'm looking at the context. I'm in context. Keep pointing me to this. The context is in order to be of a noble character, you have to accept the message of Paul in the midst of heavy persecution. Let me repeat that again. In order to accept Paul's message to be of noble character, you have to accept the sufferings of Jesus Christ, the persecutions of Jesus Christ, and there's absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing in these four points. In fact, you would follow these points, you could avoid all of that. Yeah. But the Jews were jealous, so they rounded up some bad characters. Ooh. Did that happen in Eum Claude Jacob? A bunch of bad characters? It did. It happened in King County Prosecutor's Office. A bunch of bad characters came up with what? False accusations, just like Jesus was falsely accused. They just get everybody from the marketplace. The news media was put in. We'll eventually get into how the local news media was very selective on the negative publicity they put out. They formed a mob. Oh, did that happen, Jacob? Mm-hmm. Now, the reason I'm going down this is that if you're going to accept a true teacher, if you're going to look at this and examine it all, this is the mark of a godly teacher being persecuted as Jesus was persecuted. They formed a mob and started a ride in the city. The whole city was stirred up of Enam Claw, it wasn't Jacob. To say that Sound Doctrine Church or the preaching that are preached there wasn't New Testament preaching, wasn't of scripture, is absurd. Every angle and aspect of that is proven by the actions and the results that happened. There was nothing divisive like what he's talking about, or, you know, evil or out for other stuff. In fact, King County prosecutors, because there it was all this turmoil, they assumed there had to be something bad about Timothy Williams. They're still looking. It says they rushed to Jason's house in search of Paul and Silas in order to bring them out to the crowd. Man, they are zealous. They are moving forward. It was an intense battle. I don't I don't want to go into it all today, Jacob. Did that not take place? It was like this mob of oppression, persecution, prosecution, slander, lies. At that time, there wasn't anybody that wasn't aware of it. And that's why King County prosecutors packed the jury pool with people from Enum Claw.

Jacob 1:10:35

I'll let you read verse six there, Jacob. But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some other brothers before the city officials shouting, These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here.

Timothy 1:10:49

Okay, here we are with context. Yeah, go city officials, the church is causing trouble. They're always doing this. The slanders were just multiplied everywhere, correct? Correct. I mean, it well, it was absurd, but nobody was interested in really what was being said. They were just behind the cause that, yeah, it must be trouble, it must be evil. And the lies were formulated by the people that did it in order to fashion it so each person had something to get upset about. So listen to what they're shouting to the city officials. These men who have caused trouble all over the world, really. Yeah, they've been all over. All over the world have now come here. The exaggerations were huge. So really, Paul had been to China. Um, you know, he'd been to the Alaska, whatever. You get my point. It's absurd. Verse 7.

Jacob 1:11:42

Go ahead, Jacob, and read verse 7. And Jason has welcomed them into his house. They are all defying Caesar's decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus.

Timothy 1:11:54

They are trying to implicate everybody. Jason, these officials, this people, he's welcomed into their house. Can you believe that? They're in the house. Verse 8. When they heard this, the crowd and the city officials were thrown into turmoil. So all this turmoil is going on. And there was a lot going on. Again, I'm pointing out if you want the true gospel message, this is it. I don't have a church to join. I'm not even asking you to fellowship with. I'm just telling you, whatever you're being taught about, you know, one, two, three, four checklists, and you diagram all this and you put all this over here. It's nonsense. You will go backwards. The only way to go forward is to deny yourself, pick up your cross, hate your own life, surrender everything, everything to the gospel. You could go get the book, even deemed to believe, to get started. That's the only way you're going to move forward in Jesus Christ. Verse 9. Then they made Jason and the others post bond and let them go. Okay. Did people have to post bond, Jacob? Yes. All right, verse 10. Again, I'm reading the context. Did he mention anything about this? No. No, it's like cool and calm, and here's the four things, and you got prosperity teachers, and you know, leadership needs to be open to correction. And when that's not there, it's a flag, you know. Now I'm not saying we'd be, you know, heresy busters or, you know, it's all mellow, it's all kind of this is actually far more sinister than it appears. Because then you then you can claim, oh, I'm taking the high road, I'm taking the loving road, I'm not attacking Sound Doctrine Church, I'm not attacking the considered podcast. No, you know, there's just we're little red flags. Look, all of this stuff will just keep you from following Jesus Christ. All right, verse 10. As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. The preaching doesn't stop, does it? No. One town of no terms. Remember, Jacob get run out of Enum Claw and eventually at turn team go, Yeah, I think I'm gonna do a podcast. You're not gonna stop the gospel from being preached. One way or another, it's gonna be preached. May not be through me, but it's not gonna stop. Verse 11. Now the Brians. Now we get to the context. Do you think they're not aware of what Paul and Silas went through and are showed up in this town?

Jacob 1:14:14

Oh yeah, they would have heard the stories. And they would have heard about the uprisings and the turmoil in that city. And the danger of obviously saying there's another king besides Caesar. Oh, yeah. So the context, according to this guy's checklist, the Bereans should have used his checklist. And then, yeah, Paul, I mean, in the context, they would be like, whoa, Paul must be a false teacher. He's causing all this trouble, right? All the Jewish leaders, all the turmoil. We are going to stay far away from him.

Timothy 1:14:46

The authorities haven't approved it. The authorities reject officials.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:50

Yeah.

Timothy 1:14:50

It's in a court of law. They've had to pose a bond. There's all kinds of lot of people, the rulers, the Jewish rulers back there in the synagogues, they don't support this message. They're not in line with it because Paul is obviously somewhere in there. He's abusive with authority. He's not open to correction. He's a hypocrite. He's just after people's money. Yeah, the evil suspicions kind of never stop, right? Yeah. Well, this is the context. Is there anything again, and I'm repeating myself over and over again, within this guy's page and these four things that mention the context of the Bereans? No. No, it's this high-minded the Bereans were noble.

Jacob 1:15:32

So what's his conclusion? He's noble. Correct. That he's a Berean. And that if you follow his checklist, you can be a Berean and not the other ones.

Timothy 1:15:42

So anybody looking at this and following his checklist, would they have a noble character? Because they're doing what he's doing and following the Bereans. Oh, that's not the context, folks. It's in the middle of a lot of turmoil, persecution, and fire and heat. And in fact, if you come to accept what Paul is preaching, you could lose everything. You may have to postpon. You could be in prison, right? Correct. So it's not like Paul has to walk into the Brians and go, you know, Jesus Christ said that if you follow him, you're going to have to pay the cost. You have to surrender everything. You might be hated, everybody. And this is not this noble concept. Yeah. There was this basketball player, right? And he got let go because he he spoke out against the gay and lesbian stuff. And everybody's hailing this as oh, this is a big deal. And I and I'm not trying to discount what he did, but we're all excited about really nothing almost. Sure. I mean, it's it's a matter of concept. He's probably doing other things. Now, of course, the bonus point is, right? He had a$10 million contract and they let him go. Well, guess what he gets to keep?$10 million.$10 million. Yeah. All right. Anyway, that my point is that the cultural Christians, because it's sports and because it's easy, easy prose persecution, they go for it. If the church was anywhere in America, they would have honed in on what happened in the city of Enumcall because that was full-on 100% persecution and prosecution in its purest form. Now the Bereans were more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Again, we've said it over and over again. Who are they receiving? Paul and these people are in the middle of persecution. They're running from another town. Correct? Correct. Verse 12. Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men. You know, this is true belief. In the midst of this kind of persecution, this kind of prosecution, you gotta remember these guys are being prosecuted, hounded, they became believers. Really, the the church this guy belongs to, preaches to, belongs to, whatever, and all these ministries. I mean, it's it's pretty clear the Ozzy Osborne guy, like really that you're not in the middle of persecution. Uh you're in the middle of blaspheme at that point. How many churches that claim acts about being noble and searching the scriptures and all that are doing so in the middle of very heated persecution, receiving those that were and are being heavily persecuted. Not many. Not many. And I and you're probably being generous in the United States. Now, I I'm talking about the United States, of course. I'm not talking about other places. All right. Now, we need not think, oh, well, you know, Paul came in, he preached, and that was in another city. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, you've had trouble there. I kind of get it. That was a bad EM calls a bad city, but not every city's that way. And then there's problems everywhere, and there are other people standing firm and blah, blah, blah. Well, don't think these people just stop. Read verse 13, Jacob.

Jacob 1:19:13

When the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, they went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up.

Timothy 1:19:25

All right, you're willing to accept in your little old checklist that you're receiving a message for people from other towns are going to come with the intention, with the intention of stirring up persecution and prosecution. If you welcome them into your home, you may have to post bond or you may be in prison. Do you think what this checklist, these four things, did they prove their point, Jacob? No. Take us out of here.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:59

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