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Testing is Coming

UFO Hype Vs God's Word That Burns

Pick Your Favorite Alien Then Open Romans 8

Christians Must Stop Chasing Straws and Start Obeying

Will You Stand When The Hour Comes

The Test of Persecution By Prosecution (King County Prosecutors, City of Enumclaw)

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UFO Crash Claims And Classified Talk

SPEAKER_03

How many of these crashed crafts do you estimate there are that human beings have recovered? More than ten. More than ten. More than ten. How many of them are are in possession of people in the United States? I I meant more than ten in possession of the United States. What about worldwide? Worldwide? Do we have any data on that?

SPEAKER_02

We have data, but it's it's it's classified. There's no way to really talk about it.

SPEAKER_03

But so there's more though. You could safely say it's not just the ones in the United States.

SPEAKER_09

It is against all the princes of Israel. They are thrown to the sword along with my people. Therefore, beat your breast. Testing will surely come. Ezekiel 21, 12 and 13. The school bell is about to ring. Too late to put away the cell phone. Three ring binders will be of no use. There is no cheating, no Bible commentaries allowed. There is no time for studying or cramming. There is no get out of it excuse. It is not a pop quiz. It is not a surprise move from God. It is out in the open for all to see or not to see. The day of testing is for the whole world. Christian or not, time to pick up the pencil. The Consider Podcast in the year of our Lord, 2026. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

Testing Is Here Not Later

SPEAKER_06

Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness. More information can be found at www.consider.info. Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

Timothy

Okay, Mr. Jacob Director.

Straw Versus Grain In Jeremiah

Timothy

Let's go to Jeremiah chapter 23, verse 28. I know it's not according to the notes, but got to give a little bit of warning what really we are after today. I know at the beginning we played the clip about, you know, UFOs and all of that that's going on, but that's only in the backdrop of really what we're going to talk about today. What we're going to talk about today is the testing is coming. Actually, testing is going on, and we're going to touch on that a little bit. There's a whole lot of discussion about UFOs. Have you seen all that around, I assume?

Jacob

Uh yeah, I've seen some clips and I've seen a lot of articles. Yeah, a lot of talk.

Timothy

It's really, it seems to me it's increasing. Now, I don't know if it's because I'm, you know, looking at the topic or not, but it does seem to be increasing more and more, and supposedly, you know, all the release of information that's going to show that we have air or you know, flying saucers and you know, bodies, and we've made contact and so on and forth. And then naturally, as you would expect, the Christian community is all ablaze, you know, all excited about this. There's a huge discussion about it. And we're we'll do a few clips here and there, but not too many. But let me put this into focus just a little bit. Because there's prophecies about uh these UFOs and what's coming. Now, when I say that, what I mean is they're claiming that their prophets are talking about UFOs and things to come. And and most of it is like, you could have predicted this 50 years ago or 20 years ago. In fact, I believe there was a movie out called uh was it Contact of the First Kind? What was that UFO movie?

Jacob

Oh, there's been so many. I I'm not sure which one you're referencing.

Timothy

Uh Spielberg's one about E.T. phone home.

Jacob

Yeah, isn't that yeah, it was just called E.T. about the little alien that comes down, you know, yeah. Family movie.

Timothy

So for anybody to come along now and go, oh, I'm hearing from the Lord, and we treat this as some serious prophecy or whatever. There's no well, I don't want to get too sidetracked on whether these prophets are true or not. The point is we tack on to all these things that we're excited about that we shouldn't be excited about as Christians. Yeah. I mean, the UFO thing, the alien things to me is a boring topic. I mean, what what is the point? Yeah. It's not gonna change anything at all except to confirm scripture, so that part's done. Anyway, I'm getting long-winded. Jacob, read Jeremiah chapter 23, verses 28 and 29.

Jacob

Let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream, but let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what has straw to do with grain, declares the Lord. Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces.

Timothy

You get God's perspective on this. It's nothing like, well, CBN or any of these other places that supposedly are touting these people that are prophets and in the know and these pastors meeting. Seriously, what we're looking at today and all the things we look in the podcast, are people excited about those things, Jacob?

Jacob

Uh, people are excited about those things, yes.

Timothy

They are excited about the podcast?

Jacob

Oh no, I'm sorry. I thought you're they're excited about all the cessatialism of you know aliens and all that stuff.

Timothy

Right. And God calls at best those things. What did he call them? What did he just say those things were and how we should view them? Uh like a dream. Well, he says, let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream. Okay, fine, go ahead. You've had a dream, whatever, we'll test it, we'll see if it's the Lord, right? Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and tell it.

SPEAKER_11

Yeah.

Timothy

But let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what does straw, what has straw to do with grain? These dreams, these prophecies, this discussion about UFLs, it's all straw. Yeah you can't can you live off straw? I mean, if you went home and wifey cooked up a thing of straw, you'd say, well, what's wrong, right? Yes. Uh clearly you would ask, you know, has the economy crashed? Yeah. If things come to an end, why are we reduced to eating straw? It's of some use, you know, but it's straw. You don't see the Christian church or those claiming to be Christians kind of bored with, well, okay, it's straw, it has its uses, you know, you you clean the barn with it, you feed your animals with it, it's not worthless, but it's not grain. It's not anything you can live off of that sustains, that gives strength. So, what I mean by that is if people were as excited about the things that we look on the Consider podcast, and especially today, as they were about these so-called prophecies and discussions about UFOs, they might be prepared to what's coming. In fact, in Jeremiah 23, verse 29, it says, God says, Is not my word like fire? Dreams are not fire. Like there's a supposedly a prophet that predicted that Trump was going to be shot in the ear. Okay, fine. Maybe he's of God, maybe he's not. I have my questions, whatever. That's not really the point. The point is, so what's your point? Yeah. That's just straw, that's just information. What those should do, what those dreams and visions should do, is drive us to the specifics of the word of God that is like fire, that will burn away the dross of our sin, that will make us alive to denying self, to being excited about the things that we should be excited about. And is that what we see going on? No. Jeremiah 23, 29, is not my word like fire, declares the Lord. And look at this other part. And like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces. So when was the last time you know hundreds of thousands of people tuned into the Consider podcast because they wanted the hammer applied to their life? Uh no. No. They don't want the word of God that's like fire. They don't want the word of God that's like a hammer that just keeps on breaking and breaking and breaking. Now there are a few. I had somebody that had listened to the podcast and was commenting to me and go, you know, just when you've cornered, and and I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quote, sure, and you know, it's come down hard, then you keep going. It just unrelenting was the word. And that's because it is the word of God that is a hammer that takes every hard part of our life, every rock that is there, and shatters it into pieces. Now, I don't know if you as a kid, did you ever play around on smashing rocks with a hammer or anything?

Jacob

Can't say I smash rocks. I would just, you know, hammer nails or attempt to.

Timothy

Yeah, that's a handyman in you. I used to, you know, you pulverize the rock. Well, you gotta keep going. You gotta keep grinding it down. You know, you just it's a lot of work to get down to a pulverized mess that used to be a rock. All right, Jacob, so are you ready for Jacob question time?

Favorite Aliens And Pop Culture Noise

Timothy

Yeah. Play the bumper and I'll pose the question.

SPEAKER_09

Ready? Set? Got a question for you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, says Jacob. Tough, says Tim. No whoa, no go woa. Here is the question.

Timothy

Alrighty, Jacob, are you ready? I'm ready. What's your favorite alien?

Jacob

My favorite alien.

Timothy

Now you know there's at least four different kinds of aliens. You see the little graphic there, you can pull it up later for other people. Yes. So which one's your favorite? Um, before we answer, I'll give you a chance to think about it. Play the intro bumper about your favorite alien, and let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_09

UFOs and aliens are about to land. Hear the quiet swoon of their aircraft. Listen to the world crackle and talk about the revelation of life from space. Catch the Bible discussions that distract from what is really important. So, what or who is your favorite alien? The towering mantis? The eerie seven-foot insectoid? Or those little gray, compact, four to five foot humanoids with the big black eyes? What about the powerful reptilian or saurion as they're classified? Stretch up to eight feet tall. Or do you prefer the elegant Nordic, peaceful humanoids from a highly advanced society gifting with superior intelligence? Which one do you choose is your favorite visitor from another planet? The Consider Podcast. Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

Timothy

Did you survive that, Jacob? I did. By the way, I didn't make up these particular aliens. This is just what's reported in the news. And I could provide the links if people want them, but I would imagine most people are already aware of the fact that these different aliens, at least these four, so which one's your favorite? The mantis, the gray, the reptilian, or the Nordic?

Jacob

Uh I'll just take the Nordic. It's the most close looking to me, you know what I mean? Like the other ones are very creepy. I don't like creepy, so I'll rather talk to a semi-humanoid.

Timothy

You know, I would pick the Nordic two because I'm supposed to be a white supremacist, according to King County prosecutors and Judge Laurie Kate Smith. And that one's the most that looks human. Correct. It looks pretty human to me. Yeah, totally. So keeping in line with racism, I pick the Nordic 2. Okay. Now, what is striking to me is a couple things, and I don't want to get too far into this, but they all walk upright. They I mean they're not the mantis looks like a mantis, obviously, but they're all human-related design to look at. It's like, wait a minute, this looks like something if we were going to make a space movie just out of clear imagination, we'd at least give something familiar, unless you're doing like the alien thing, you know, with the saliva that that eats through metal kind of routine. Um but they're all kind of walking upright and doing things. These are the main ones being floated out there. I I just think it's a little odd that we can immediately kind of relate to it.

Jacob

Yes, it is odd.

Timothy

All right, I'm not even sure what the point of that exercise was, except to say this is the discussion point. Uh there's plenty of videos out there where people are talking about it. All right. You know what? Again, what is the point? Jacob, go to Romans chapter 8, verse 17.

A Fallen Creation Groaning In Romans

Timothy

You can tell we're never going to get through my notes today. Romans chapter 8, verse 17, because let's just solve the issue. Okay. Okay, people. You people that are Christians out there, you don't have to worry about the UFOs. You don't have to worry about which favorite alien is yours, or the one that's this or that, or if they're going to conquer the world. You man, you can just put that in the cupboard. And when you're really bored and really just want something to talk about that's kind of not so deep, like Trinity's and you know, all the good things of God, uh, you can bring this out of the cupboard to talk about it. Let me let me solve something for you right now. It does not matter whatsoever what an alien looks like, where it comes from, whether it acts peaceful or not. It's all part of a fallen universe. Everything in this universe that clearly is not an angel or something sent from heaven, is fallen, is corrupt, is sinful, is wicked, is selfish, is all the things that we are in our condition. None of the aliens, if they land, if they show up, whether they're demonic or whatever. And just as a side note, I think it's kind of all true, meaning some aliens are demonic in nature. So you get all those people excited. Some are probably aliens from a different culture or flying through space-time and all the quantum physics that are involved. Some are just made up. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because everything's fallen. Go to Romans 8:17, and I'm backing up to verse 17 to kind of drive home what we do need to be focusing on. Read verse 17 there, Jacob.

Jacob

Now, if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Timothy

I could absolutely, positively care less, except for a fun argument to torment somebody, talk about aliens. What I am concerned about, what I do focus in on every day, is that if I'm a child of God, if I'm an heir of God, meaning I get to inherit what Jesus Christ has provided, then what is it that I have to share in every day, Jacob? Sufferings. His sufferings. His sufferings. And it says, if indeed we share in his sufferings. So what the TV ministries and what all the discussions that are going out there, where do you hear the discussion about, yes, we're all children of God if, if, if we share in his sufferings? So anybody calling in, you'd go, okay, what are you suffering in Jesus Christ today because of what Jesus Christ is working? Do you hear that discussion going on? No. Then Paul goes on to say in Romans 8.18, I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. Present sufferings, they're going on right now. The persecution that is going on against me, it's now, it is present. Those sufferings are there. To not to mention a lot of other things. So why is it possible that all these other so-called Christians have the time and have the energy to be talking about writing books, doing movies about aliens? Because they're they don't have any sufferings. That's right. It's that simple. If Jesus Christ is blessing us and pouring his sufferings in our lives, there's very little time left over for fun, for barbecues, or whatever, all of those things that we indulge in. You've got pastors saying, Oh, we had a secret meeting. Of course, I'm laughing. So a secret meeting that you're talking about publicly, but whatever. It's kind of an oxymoron. Uh yeah, we had a secret meeting with bigwigs in the thing, and they're going to bring out revelations and knowledge about crafts and UFOs, and it's coming. Everybody needs to get ready. We need to have a discussion about it. How are we going to handle this stuff? That's their focus, that's their energy. Really? Nobody's out there saying these are the sufferings that Jesus Christ is pouring into my life today. This is what I'm suffering right now. Romans 8, read 19 and 20, because this was my original point. In fact, go all the way to verse 21 that tells us that anything in this universe, no matter who, what, where, when, no matter how they appear, I mean, it could be the mantis, the little grasshopper that's nicer than the Nordic. If I were to look at like which one's conning me, I'd go for the Nordic because the mantis is obviously uh a little more scary right up front. I'm psyched tracking. All right, go ahead and read this scripture that tells us that all these beings are trapped in sin and will need the gospel of Jesus Christ if that were possible. So we can just leave behind all the discussion about UFOs and focus on what's going to come upon the world, which is being tested. Go ahead and read that, Jacob.

Jacob

The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Timothy

Verse 22 says, We know, we know. Interesting, Paul says, We know, we got this down, I got this down. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. That's how much the sufferings of Christ are involved. You know, everybody wants to know is this a simulation? And there's background noise from stars, and is it dark matter, and is it a quantum physics of two things being in the same place at the same time? And if you look at them, they change the exact same place where they were at, and you don't know where they were at because you observed them. But if you don't observe them, then they stay in one place. And by the way, I'm just kind of mumbling and repeating everything that scientists say. When the whole point is all this background noise and all the stuff that's going on in the universe is the universe itself, creation itself, moaning and groaning because it has been subjected to decay, to rot, to destruction, and it will end. All because Adam and Eve fell in the Garden of Eden. Yes. All right. So once again, Jacob, that all said, do you want to pick again your favorite alien, or you just want to stick with that one?

Jacob

I'm sticking with my choice, my my racist choice, apparently, because it looks the most like a white person. Is that why?

Timothy

Yeah, well, that's that's the reason Washington State would say that you poke chosen. Yeah, yeah, I know.

Jacob

But yeah, like if I wanted to be, you know, super all inclusive, I should pick, you know, the little tiny shrimpy guy, you know, with big.

Timothy

Well, wouldn't it be more like they're all unique in the world? Oh, yeah, there you go. You'd be whipping the white one. The white one's a little more inferior. Yeah, yeah. That would fall more in line with uh our favorite people. Yes. All right. Well, I'm gonna tell you what my favorite alien is. And they're hard to find. I mean, they're not only are they alien, but they're very, very difficult to locate. Okay. Go ahead and play this particular clip, and then we're gonna talk about First Peter chapter two, verse eight.

Christians As Aliens At War

SPEAKER_00

First Peter chapter two, chapters eight through eleven. A stone that causes men to stumble, and a rock that makes them fall. They stumble because they disobey the message, which is also what they were destined for. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God. Once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul.

Timothy

First Peter chapter two, verse eleven, are my favorite aliens, Jacob. Dear friends, Peter writes, I urge you as aliens and strangers in the world. And these are we're so true disciples of Jesus, uh, there is a complete disjoint. Not how how can I get people to see this? This is not like, well, I I vote conservative and I'm all for saving America and making America great again and so forth. We're talking about being aliens and strangers, something the government will never accept, by the way, people. Yeah. Um as aliens and strangers in the world, we're in a you walk around, you just don't they don't know you and you don't know them, and there's really there's no connection. In fact, there's just kind of this back up a little bit. They can't relate to anything. People in the world, and I when I say that, I mean people also that claim to be Christians, can't even understand when I talk about the love that we had at Sound Doctrine Church. It it's estranged from them. It's like that there's no frame of reference. See, it's interesting about these aliens, there's a frame of reference there. Remember, we talked about they all have they stand upright, they they have arms and legs, so to speak, and especially the Nordic one and so on. You can at least relate to it, maybe understand it how it functions or guess at it. But a true disciple of Jesus and a church that is a true discipleship of Jesus, the world can't even understand what we're doing and why we're doing it. That that's again, and I, you know, I hate to keep repeating it, but then I don't hate to keep repeating it. That's why King County prosecutors prosecuted it, because they're strangers to us and we're strangers to them. They're dishonest, they're liars, they're connivers. We're not, we're completely truthful and honest, and so the two just can't meet. And they can't imagine, as liars and cheaters, and corrupt people, that there's anybody that's honest because everybody they know, including themselves, are these wicked creatures that refuse to repent. So they think there's always some sly motive back there. That makes sense. I've that I've repeated that too many times, but you get my point. Yes. Now, these aren't just people that are aliens and strangers living different. I mean, I'm not against, you know, I'll make sure the people that wear different kinds of clothing, but it's not just that. Look at what it says to abstain from sinful desires. They are actively involved in abstaining, that is, not doing things you want to do from the sinful desires that are in your life. And that's that's why people that fall away or people that get tired of carrying their cross can whine, can complain, and say, I didn't really want to. Well, there's always a part of the sinful nature that doesn't want to do the right thing. Yeah, I mean, that that's why Jesus died on the cross, right?

Jacob

Correct.

Timothy

There's a part of, and I'm gonna use other people because I don't want to get myself in all kinds of focus, but you know, our sinful nature wants to be dishonest. Our sinful nature wants lies. Our sinful nature wants to engage in the fleshy things we want to do, whether that be motorboat, you know, or skiing or doing whatever it is that we want to do, but because we're following Jesus Christ where he would lead us to go, those things become irrelevant. And so you abstain from doing the sinful things that you want to do, which are warring against your soul. So one of the sufferings of Jesus Christ is before I get out of bed, but I'll just use the example, the alarm goes off, I get out of bed. What have I jumped into, Jacob, according to 1 Peter chapter 2, verse 11, the last three or four words? You have jumped into a war. I have jumped into a war. And if Christians have that mindset instead of, well, we just need to praise God and we're free and we're children, and we're gonna talk about that here in a moment. No, you get up every single morning, actually when you're in bed, but all the time you've got these sinful desires that are warring against your soul. They're not just neutral, you know, they're they're not just like, well, it's a part of the human condition, and it's just part of life. No, there's an actual war. And when you think of war, Jacob, how do how do wars usually get started? I know that's kind of an abstract question, but but how do they usually get started?

Jacob

Uh well, a lot of times it's over something small. It depends. They say World War I was started over like one dude killing one dude. It was like one assassination.

Timothy

Exactly. And there's no way you could have guessed this. My thinking is nations declare war against one another. Sure, yeah, eventually. Yes. Right. Eventually. Yeah, well, I hear you. It all starts there. So what I'm trying to get us to see here is your soul, your sinful nature soul, has declared war against you. Yes. This is real, this is tangible. And if we walk around in this kind of daze a little bit, like what you were talking about, you know, World War I started with a couple of guys shooting each other. Um actually, I don't even know if that's historically correct, it doesn't really matter, or misunderstandings or whatever, where people just want to go to war, um we're we're toast because your soul, your sinful nature, who you are, has actively declared, I am against you. We talked about this the other day. If you tell, I don't know, a group of kids or whatever, don't eat those cookies, what's the first thing that starts rising up that they want to do? They want to eat cookies. You want to eat the cookie. Now, I know today nobody tells their children or allowed to tell their children. No, but that's the nature of the law. If you you see people all the time when they're getting arrested, if you have a law, the immediate reaction is, well, how can I get out of the law? How can I skirt around the law? That's because we have this sinful nature. It what jumps to mind isn't, well, I need to be submissive to the law. You know, it's like, how can I get out of it? Yeah. Any comments or anything? I've done a lot of yakking on all that stuff. Nope, but it makes sense. All right, so let's go to what do we do about all this UFO stuff? What are we supposed to do with all this information? And how should we prepare ourselves, right? Isn't that really the kind of the question we're looking at, Jacob?

SPEAKER_11

Mm-hmm.

Timothy

Yes.

CBN Clip And The Fear Debate

Timothy

Well, let's go to, and this is a short outtake from CBN about UFOs. I couldn't play the long thing. We'd be we'd well, we'd be here for a whole segment. So play this clip and they're gonna tell us that we need to get ready.

SPEAKER_08

There's gonna be a release concerning aliens and concerning uh unidentified flying object spacecraft that some of the people who were in the meeting were telling us as pastors, you need to prepare your people and you need to get ready to answer them for what you're about to hear being released. And some of it has to do with crafts that have been discovered that are not allegedly a part of our planet, and the materials they're made of are not a part of our planet. Uh very strange reptilian-looking creatures.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, our alien expert, Billy. Uh, what did you make of that? I love that alien expert. Well, here's what I'll tell you. We don't really know what this meeting was, we don't know what happened. I have seen other people say, oh no, it's real. I was there, this meeting happened. You know, the reality is we don't know the the confines of the information, what was sort of given.

SPEAKER_01

There's a lot of um, and as someone who who's really like, all right, let's let's find out what the what the Bible has to say. I don't think this should fear, this should make us scared. I don't think this should make us worried. Um, and I think there's gonna be a lot of people who are full of fear and all are fear full of worry, and it's gonna be incumbent upon us to be that shalom in that storm and to point people back to the Good Shepherd. Um so you know, obviously, Billy, you you made a whole movie kind of sort of about this. So, first question is how can people find that movie? But secondly, let's say someone is trying to gather their thoughts in closing. How should they start to process all of this stuff so that when it happens, they're ready for it?

SPEAKER_05

Battle. If you're in a spiritual battle, you have to use the Bible and prayer and your connection to the Lord as your compass to get through that. So don't be gripped by fear. Turn to scripture, turn to prayer, understand what Ephesians 6 is telling us, what Paul is telling us. I'm gonna keep saying this every day. We are in a spiritual battle. And all of these things, all of this information as it comes in, measure it against what scripture tells us. And you can have the debates about what if if there are quote unquote aliens or evidence that something else is going on that we can't explain, what is the nature of aliens? That's what we have to look at. We talk about that in the film again, cbn.com slash supernatural. You can watch that. Um, but you want to prayerfully approach all of this and be very careful what you believe, where the information is coming from, and whether or not it lines up with God's truth.

Timothy

All right. Any uh reaction, Mr. Jacob?

Jacob

Uh, that was a whole lot of really soft, mushy talk that didn't really give any points, other than we are in a spiritual battle as uh human beings on this earth. That part was true, but a lot of it was uh, you know, blah blah blah blah blah blah. And and what yeah, I know. It's the fluff stuff. Yeah. It's like and so what is it you got to put on, Jacob? Uh the I I believe he's must be referencing the the spiritual armor of God, you know, the full armor, I think is what he's referencing.

Timothy

Right right. Yeah, everything a Sunday school kid of 15 years old, yeah. You sing the song. You didn't, there's nothing here. Okay. Uh all right. So it's all fluff, it's all this, it's all a waste of time. We all I've already discovered for you this is who they are, this is what they're about, right? So do we need any of this stuff? No. Do I need to spend time with the movies or talking with this? Or well, how should we respond? Yeah. What should we do? This information's coming. Uh the it's going to be released to the public. How then should we react, Jacob? That's the question. And you got to be careful what you believe and how you interpret these and whether the government's lying. Look, are you ever are you ever going to be able to determine whether the government is lying to you or not? They're always lying to you. They're always lying. Yeah. And if there's a truth in there somewhere, you wouldn't know it because it's buried with all kinds. That is so much a waste of time. I know, yeah. All right. So what was, if you remember right, what's the number one thing throughout this whole discourse that a Christian, according to them, should look out for or not do or be or whatever? What was the what was the number one takeaway?

Jacob

Uh I don't remember the uh well, did they he didn't say number one, did he? Or he was just the point.

Timothy

But it was the same theme all the way across.

Jacob

Oh, uh uh read your Bible and pray. That was the multiple times. That's what you should suppose to do.

Timothy

But that's a problem with fluff. It's like cotton candy. It's like, well, which part was the most meaty? Um the part that melts in my mouth. Uh don't fear. Oh, yeah, don't fear. We should be afraid. Where where did this number where did this don't be afraid become the gospel call of all gospel calls on top of every gospel call that's out there?

Jacob

Well, I know, but even it's like they don't even you might at least quote the scripture where like you should well, there's the one that you know you shouldn't fear man, you should fear God who can destroy both body and soul. Like, but yeah, we're not supposed to fear anything ever. Like, you know, according to the mainstream Christianity, you should have zero fear in your life.

Timothy

That's right. So if you're listening to Consider Podcast, and I don't have a church, haven't started a church, but if I were preaching at a church, you wouldn't want to go there because you'll become afraid. Correct.

Jacob

Yes, yeah, you must be speaking, yeah, even though you're you could quote the scripture and I will get to that in a minute.

Timothy

You better believe I'm gonna quote the scripture in just a minute or two. All right, so let's go. Let's

Fear And Trembling Is Biblical

Timothy

do it now. Philippians chapter 2, verse 12. I didn't hear this one mentioned or discussed. Like, okay, let and I know I'm kind of making fun of the UFO stuff, but it really is deadly serious. Well, to the world anyway. Sure. You know, if an alien landed, would I watch the news? Of course. I'd be interested. I'd take every thought captive, so on and so forth. But is there remotely any fear whatsoever that would even remotely come my direction to go, oh, the UFOs have landed? I mean, I'd be suspecting the government of a false, you know, flag type stuff, but even that's unimportant. Satan controls the governments of the world, so lies and darkness are the name of the game. Philippians 2, 12. What was it we're supposed to tremble at? Jeremiah told us. The word of God that's a hammer and a fire. You're not walking away from listening to this stuff, afraid of God's word, trembling at him. But they'll go, well, Jesus redeemed us. Okay, so let's go on. Let's go to Philippians chapter 2, verse 12. Jacob, read it to us, and we're gonna point you back to the Savior, because didn't that they tell us that's what we're supposed to do? And aren't we supposed to point people back to the word of God? Yes. Okay, this is Philippians, New Testament, Jesus Christ pointing back to here you go. Everything in mind we've talked about so far, this is where we should be focused. Go for it, Jacob.

Jacob

Therefore, my dear friends, if you as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Timothy

Oh, what did I hear the word fear? Yes, you did. Did I hear the word trembling from the living God? Yes, you did. Hmm, let's see. Therefore, my dear friends, he doesn't even call them brothers. Yeah, I'm playing the uh discernment Dave, you know, cult watcher group of people. Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always, and what's that word, Jacob? As you have always obeyed. Obeyed. What we should be afraid of, because what will give us strength concerning UFOs and aliens is not everything they talked about was opinion. How do we process this information? Where's the information coming from? This is all thought stuff, right?

SPEAKER_11

Yes.

Timothy

Well, what Philippians is saying, what you obey, the only way to overcome aliens or the great delusion that is coming is if you are actively obeying the Holy Spirit day in and day out, and I and I can't go into all the details of that, but to look at what you should be obeying will make you afraid. It will make you tremble, and that's why I'm heavily persecuted. As you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but how much more in my absence? Look at the obedience of these Christians. I mean, this is a huge compliment here. Yeah. I mean, you're obedient whether I'm there or not. Now, what does it continue? Continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Let me warn the Christian community that even quotes this. This isn't just words. This is a fear and a trembling. I saw a post the other day that said, you know, one of the most pleasurable things I have is sitting down and thinking about how God has been patient with me. Well, that's true, but it's half the equation because Scripture says to consider both the kindness and the sternness of God. So you see this, you know, get rid of all fear. Well, let me all right, let me calm down here a little bit. Jacob, according to that message, fear comes from the evil one, and fear is the thing to be avoided. So you're into blaspheming territory when it comes to the word of God, are you not? Correct.

Jacob

You're you're it's it's the opposite of.

Timothy

Thank you. The opposite of the cross of Jesus Christ. We should be trembling, we should be full of fear. We should have those emotions. Just on a basic, we're wrestling with sin in our daily life, that should be there. We should have fear and trembling about the words that we speak and what we say. Clearly, if you're slandering and whatever and all those things, yeah, you better have some serious fear because judgment is coming. But that's just the status, that's the normal condition of any disciple being discipled or disciplined by a living Jesus Christ. Not going and reading the Bible and you applying it, that's called idolatry, and picking out the verses that you like and don't like. That's called worse idolatry. But we are to work it out. Look at the labor that's involved. Continue to work it out. It's no easy thing to get up in the morning and say, Oh, I'm going to do God's will today. I mean, you there's so many times I go, Well, Jacob, is this God's will or that will? You do you not see within me a working it out? Yes. Uh, you know, is this of God or is it of me? Or is it part me? Is it part of God? Is it for now? Is it for later? And you go, and eventually, you know what the glory of all this is through all of that confusion and all that working it out, God works it out, doesn't he? Yes. But he wouldn't work it out if I got up every morning and go, Well, I'm a disciple of Jesus Christ, and bless me, Lord, and bless my voting record, and and bless my thoughts, and and I'll read the Bible and apply it to UFOs and aliens. That that's not what it says. Work it out. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Well, let me go to the next verse because I'll show you what we should be afraid of, and the church is not afraid of.

Great Distress And Last Days Warnings

Timothy

Go to Matthew chapter 24, verse 21, and you go ahead and read that, Jacob.

Jacob

Matthew chapter 24, verses 21.

Timothy

Yes, sir.

Jacob

For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world unto now, and never to be equaled again.

Timothy

Now, I assume this is Jesus saying this, and I'm pointing back to Jesus and Matthew's in the New Testament, right? Yeah. Now, don't you think we should have a lot of discussion going on in the church about the great distress that's coming?

Jacob

Yes, we should. Well, think about but go ahead. Oh, well, the there's a huge part of the Christian community that says we will be raptured out and we will not be here for the great distress. A lot of people agree that there will be great distresses. Everyone's just delusional about who will go through the distress.

Timothy

Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. But there at least you would at least think there would be some like interesting discussions about it more than UFOs. Correct. Or you would be at least like, well, you know, UFOs are gonna land and we're gonna have aliens. I wonder how this is going to usher in the great distress. Um but but Jesus goes on to say, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now. I mean, people are completely foolish to think Jesus is teaching his disciples this, right? Well, if we're not gonna be here, then what's the point? Correct. I mean, he awarded like, Yeah, you guys are disciples, you're following me, don't fear, you're gonna be with me. Great distress is coming on the whole world. It's unequaled from the beginning of the world. And never to be equaled again. Why would he bother to tell us that, except just to inform us of what he's delivering us from? But that's not what he's doing here. Yeah. As a side note, and we can't spend hours on this, is Jacob, give me some idea of the distress that God went through in creating the world.

Jacob

There would have been a lot of crashing and thrashing and mountains like popping out of the ground, and there was like a lot of stuff happening.

Timothy

I agree. Um we don't have time to this unequaled from the beginning of the world.

Jacob

Oh, and then we had the flood. I mean, that's like a lot of distress. The entire world, you know, the flood happened, waters coming out of the ground, waters come in, you know, canyons were formed. All this stuff happened at the Great Flood, so it's going to be even worse than that.

Timothy

Well, if we even go further back, the beginning of the Big Bang, wouldn't that have been a pretty big bang? Would have been a creative universe? And Jesus does say that the stars in the heavens will fall from the skies. So whatever's coming upon the world to test the whole world is unprecedented. Yeah. And even on a superficial level, you may be old enough, you're thinking, well, I'll never see this. Well, what about your kids or your grandkids? We're certainly on the verge of that. What I'm really just trying to get us to see at this moment without going into detailed discussion is we're not afraid of the things we should be afraid of, and the things that we think that we're afraid of, we're not afraid enough. Amos chapter 9, verse 10. Again, pointing to the last days. All the sinners among my people will die by the sword. All those who say disaster will not overtake or meet us. So it's what you just said. There are groups, multiple groups, some that don't even say it out loud, but they live as if that were, that they're saying, Well, this is not going to overtake us. It doesn't concern me. They should be afraid. All the sinners among my people will die by the sword. The sword obviously clearly being on one level the word of God, and also the great turmoil that's coming upon the whole world. Go to Amos chapter 5, verse 18. Says, Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord. Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. Do you think God's trying to sober us up, Jacob? Yes. Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. Now, other people are going to quote scriptures talking about, well, we're supposed to lift up our heads and get ready. You know, that's all true for those that are working out their salvation with fear and trembling. It is not true for those that are not working their salvation out with fear and trembling, and yet at the same time long for the day of the Lord. Jeremiah prophesying about the end of the days. We can't cover all the scriptures I've got here today. Go to Jeremiah chapter 15, verse 2, and let's see what our options are toward the end of the day. And by the way, Christians, you're not going anywhere. You're not going to be raptured out. Your children are not going to be raptured out. The grandchildren are not going to be raptured out. When this thing starts to bust loose, nobody's going anywhere until God has completely finished the task. And if you look at the book of Daniel, that's like 40 days past what we would call, the church today calls Armageddon. Argue the point all you want. Doesn't really matter to me what is going on today. What is it you're afraid of today? How obedient are you today? Are you working out your salvation with fear and trembling? Are you considering what we just looked at? Fluff and stuff and cotton candy Christianity. Is that really where your focus is? Jeremiah 15, 2. And if they ask you, where shall we go? Tell them this is what the Lord says. Those destined for death to death, those for the sword to the sword, those for starvation to starvation, and those for captivity to captivity. Those are our options. What were they, Jacob? Death, sword, starvation, or captivity. Yep. By the way, you don't get to choose. And you might get a combination of several of those. All right. All I'm really trying to focus in on is this is all serious stuff when we talk about the end of the world and what's coming and aliens and the turmoil in the world, correct? And nobody should be so deluded that we're getting out of it. And all of these people, they have the assumption that because they think they have a correct opinion or understanding about aliens that somehow they're going to be saved through all of this. One of the videos talks about that the great delusion obviously is believing that these aliens then come down to help us and all that kind of stuff. That's not going to save you. These people that are actually promoting these movies and doing these things, and all these pastors and these people so-called prophets saying this is what this is about are going to be the first ones to receive the powerful delusion because God is sending the powerful delusion. It's not based upon your belief. Do we really believe that, well, I'm voting to make America great again, so God's not going to give me the delusion that somehow I'm right with Jesus Christ? Yeah. I mean, we have to be doing the basics, talking about the basics, being offended by the basics, you know, hating your own life, hating, despising money. We'll probably get in that in the next show about exactly what the Antichrist is going to bring about.

The Hour Of Trial For Earth

Timothy

But let's go to Revelation chapter 3, verse 10, because I want us to see very clearly that God is telling us and the saints that there is a test coming on the whole world. It's not a pop quiz. He's told us it's coming. It's time to pick up the pencil, it's time to get ready because it's coming our way. And on a minimum, at a minimum, we should be preparing our children for what's coming. But all this focus on the family and family this and family that. And we're going to see here in a moment, families are going to totally become divided and betray each other to the death. Revelation 3 10.

Jacob

Go ahead and read that, Jacob. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

Timothy

You know, you can get out of this test that I'm talking about. That's what Jesus says. If it applies to you, you can't just go claim this. Please, people. You can't go pick a scripture. Well, I like this one. I'm going to claim it. That's not if the Holy Spirit tells you this is your promise, that's a different that's what the whole Christian walk's about. Yeah. Revelation 3.10 was a church that was faithful to the word of God. And I'm talking about, oh, see, the problem is when I say word of God, people have their own pew like mindset that they think I'm saying something I'm not saying when they haven't really gone back to the offense of the cross and to all of Scripture to experience the sufferings and the joys of Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a church that stood firm to the commandments. They were obedient. They weren't a big church, they weren't large, as you would expect. And since they kept his commands and they were patient in being obedient, what's the promise? Now I'll read it again. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently. Now, does endurance involve suffering, Jacob? Yes. So clearly, again, we're always back to man, it's like God is just hammering it into us. Sufferings of Jesus Christ, the suffering of my child, suffering against your sins. I mean, it's just all over scripture. And for this fluff stuff to come along, again, this cotton candy Christianity is so blasphemous, is so the opposite, but we're so used to hearing it that we can't even relate to anything else. They'll consider what I'm saying right now to be cultic, mind control, uh high highly controlling, I think's another one. They have all kinds of key words. But these are people, this is a church, uh smaller number again, that are obedient since you have kept my command to endure patiently. See, a lot of people will endure for a period of time. They'll pick up the cross for a period of time, they'll endure the sufferings for a period of time. And it's not patiently, they're just gritting their teeth, hoping to get over it. Well, you have to die to your sin. You have to suffer against the impatience that's in all of us. I don't know about you, but I think most of mankind, including myself, are very impatient. Yes. Oh, yeah. It's part of the sinful nature. You can't rest. Yeah. Um, we get words come out of our kids, I'm bored, I don't know what to do. Um, things like that. Well, you endure that patiently. It means you're not going to get out of it, you can't go do something else. I will also, and this is Jesus talking, I will also keep you from the hour of the trial that is coming going to come upon what? The whole world. The whole world to test those who live on the earth. The test is coming. Any comments or anything? Jacob, I've done a lot of chatting and walked right all over you. Anything? No. I don't have a bumper. I need to get one made. I didn't have time about

Obedience Triggers The Discernment Crowd

Timothy

this. This is a cult trigger warning. What I'm about to say is gonna sound like you're in a cult. This is a highly controlling situation. This is bad leadership. This is what you need to watch out for. Discernment Dave would go bananas over this comment. 2 Corinthians chapter 2, verse 9. I'll let you read it, Jacob, since it's so one of those scriptures that people need to be careful. Trigger warnings going off.

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Jacob

And be obedient in everything.

Timothy

Whoa. Does that sound like mind control, Jagab?

Jacob

Uh oh, yeah. Manipulation. He's manipulating. Paul wrote to someone.

Timothy

Power move.

Jacob

Just to check and see.

Timothy

Look at it. The reason he wrote, ooh, evil, wicked, selfish centered Paul, he's writing to them to give them something to do to prove to him that they are obedient. That's how the wicked would look at this. Yeah. So in the preaching, and by the way, I I've never done this, never been moved by the Holy Spirit to do this that I'm aware of. But every sermon was you got to be obedient. Yeah. This is real. You have to live it. I'm not going to be your guru. You can't, I can't pick up your cross. You have to go do this. So, in a sense, every podcast, every sermon, every track, every book has this built in by the Holy Spirit to see if you'll be obedient to it. And that's how I come across, and that's how I speak. But have I ever just sat down and said, hmm, I'm going to see if this person will just be obedient, so I'll write them this letter to see what they do. No. And that's not really what he's after. That's not his evil intent. What do you mean he's writing scripture because they do lip service? How many churches or Christians do lip service? Like, oh yeah, I agree with that scripture. I I agree with what you say. In fact, a lot of people would say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. UFOs, all this stuff, and yeah, yeah, CBN's this, and you know, um, Glenn Beck to the Mormon, and you know, you just go down the line. They all agree with that, but that has nothing to do with obedience. That's opinion. Yeah. That's opinion. Second Corinthians chapter 2, verse 9. The reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient and everything. Hey, I've made it clear, nobody wants really wants pastors like that. You know, I'd have to also say I'd be I'd have a hard time, I'd have to hear from the Holy Ghost to trust any pastor that claimed he was doing that. So it's not like I just accept this particular thing. Uh you have to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ to recognize who is also a true disciple of Jesus Christ. Yeah. What I'm trying to get to see here at this at this moment is it's obedience to the Holy Spirit that will cause you to overcome the great delusion. And if you're only half ready, partially ready, not quite ready, playing at it, it will be revealed, and the odds are you will fail the test or stumble in such a way that you will deeply regret it.

Testing Reveals Who Falls Away

Timothy

Let's go to Luke chapter 8, verse 11. And this is what happened in the Sound Doctrine Church when we were persecuted and prosecuted and ran out of town by some very, very unholy, uncouth people. God comes along to test us. And I, you know, I ask you, Jacob, again, how much in the church do you hear pastors and books on saying you're going to be tested?

Jacob

Uh like never.

Timothy

Yeah, it's it's like, man, is it anti never? Or would they just casually read it or whatever? Uh let's go.

Jacob

Again, I think they they think it just doesn't apply to them or somehow, you know, I don't know.

Timothy

That's well, what kind of pastors though do they have that don't even hammer this before the congregation?

Jacob

Well, because you're saved, so it's all okay, and just kind of do your best, and it's all gonna be fine. Oh, really? Okay that's literally that's the message.

Timothy

Oh, well, I is that true for me, Jacob? I'm trying way, way too hard.

Jacob

You're trying way too hard, which is the you're just demanding things. It's by grace only. These are just works, you're just working.

Timothy

Oh, I see. Well, I thought the book of Luke was New Testament and is pointing us to Jesus Christ, right? Correct. Oh, okay. Well, then I guess I'm in safe territory. Luke chapter 8, verse 11. This is the meaning of the parable. Oh, who's he talking to? Herod? I don't think so. No. Uh the seed is the word of God. So do we have that, folks, mentally? I know that sounds condescending. Do we have that mentally that we're talking about the word of God? How much you surrender to just today, everything that we've looked at. These are little seeds. I haven't had time to if I hope nobody thinks this is deep stuff because we're not into deep stuff yet. Um, but this is seeds. This is small. It's being planted. These are the truth. Holy Spirit is the only person by making you pick up a cross or showing you the cross that can make this alive and grow. All right. You know, school children know this parable. Luke chapter 8, verse 12 says, Those along the path are the ones who hear. And then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. All right, so most people go, Oh, yeah, that's you know true. My pagan neighbors and the whole bed, and I I share the word of God, whatever that means to them. And Satan comes along, takes it away. They don't believe, right? We we know that to be true, right? Though I mean the whole United States is like in that condition, right? Yes. All right, but what about Luke chapter eight, verse thirteen? I'll let you read that, Jacob.

Jacob

Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

Timothy

Oh, are they what, Jacob? What did he say? What did Jesus say they are or do? They have no root. Well, that's true. But are they believers, pagans, unbelievers, quasi-believers, lukewarm believers? What are they?

Jacob

Uh they're believers. They believe. It's just for a while.

Timothy

Would they believe that they're saved? Yes. Would they have said the believer prayer, which is not in scripture, but would they have said that? Yes. All right, so they believe for a while. They're sitting in the pews, they're tithing, doing whatever it else, going to the church. With joy, they're joyful. Pardon?

Jacob

They're joyful.

Timothy

Joyful always. They believe for a while. But look what Jesus says. But in the time of testing, they fall away. Every Christian, every disciple of Jesus should be able to relate to everything that I just said about the testing coming on the world because they have been tested. Why why can't people relate to the easy thing concept of, yeah, city didn't like you, so they persecuted you and ran you out of town? Why why is it that masses of churches and Christians and you know, legal counsel and all these people cannot relate to this? They they really think that somehow we were in the far extreme. Why is it they they can't relate to that? Because they're not being tested because of their obedience to the living God. They believe, they have an opinion, so to speak. It's real, it's probably a quasi belief opinion kind of thing, right? And your neighbor doesn't like you, you voted for Trump, whatever it might be. They can't relate to it because they're they've never realized and felt the pressure of the testing that would drive you to fall away. I don't have time to discuss the various little ways. What I'm trying to look let us to see, consider these pop quizzes. You know, you're you're going to a sound doctrine church that really preaches the truth, lives the truth, and issues come up with family, friends, and whatever, right? You know, those real oddball things that that happen because you become a Christian, right? And so there's there's these little tests that come out, and it you know, it I'm sorry, Dragon, but it it wasn't too hard to predict who was going to fall away and who wasn't. Sure. Because if you can't pass these little tests, a lot of people wouldn't even enter into the test. You know, I'd encourage people go back and visit with your family, go back and preach the gospel, get involved in people's lives, step out and take, you know, go through the suffering and the trials, learning, the stumbling, making mistakes. That's how you learn. But they never would pick up the pencil, they never would take the test. So there for them, there was no test. So they they they don't even really relate to this concept of what's going on. So it's easy to kind of predict, like, well, you what you hope is when push comes to shove, and they're on the verge of falling away, and they s it's a stumbling rather than a falling. Like your situation, all of a sudden the test comes along. You didn't fall away, you stumbled away, and God was able to bring you back. Yeah. Now that's not what this scripture's talking about, but the point is, was that not a test? Yeah. Did it not reveal who and what we are spiritually or not? Yes. Exactly. All right, verse 14 says, The seed that fell among the thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way, they're choked by life's worries, riches, and pleasures, and do not mature. That was really the kind of the group that I was describing earlier that you're not even going to pass a test because you're just kind of wrapped up in all these other things. You will not pick up your cross and step out to pay the price. Any comments or anything on that, Jacob? No.

Persevering Under Trial And Real Persecution

Timothy

And let's go to James chapter 1, verse 12. And I'm just hammering right now, the point is testing, testing, testing. We should be passing tests now, going through tests right now. I can think of all the other kinds, you know, people hear this, and then they go out and check all the gossip that's said about me or this podcast or whatever. That's a test. Mm-hmm. You know what? If you are actually thinking about any type of fellowship with me or any agreement in this, please go visit all the discernment ministries. Go look at all the negative things. Go to them first. Get it all there. If you can't pass their test, well then what's the point? You never would have lasted anyway. Yeah. And you're certainly not going to make it pass in the last days. If you can't get past, you know, what we went through while it was extremely significant in the city of Enum Claw and all the slander and the hate crime that's gone out and King County prosecutors. And the pressure was great. I'm not undermining that. But compared to what some other people are going through and compared to what's coming to the world toward the end, it's not it's just child's play. And if you can't stand against the Washington state government and a few people that are slandering and ruining your life and putting an innocent man in prison, if you can't stand against those people, I you know, where is this lie coming from that you're somehow saved and that you're somehow going to pass the test of all tests that's coming upon the world? Don't even think you're qualified to teach your children that you're not going to do it because you didn't pass the test. All right, James chapter 1, verse 12.

Jacob

You go ahead and read that, Jacob. Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

Timothy

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial. You see, in the beginning with King County prosecutors, for example, the trial began to increase. We saw it coming long before it hit the prosecutor's office because we watched the persons responsible for the hate crime lay the foundation of the hatred, right? So you saw that coming, and people fairly stood firm through that. And then the trial came. You know, the false arrests, the lies, the accusations, and those kinds of things. And we all thought, surely prosecutors are not that corrupt. I know I did. Yeah. You think, wait a minute, I we have all this evidence. We we we have the proof that this is a hate crime, and all we need to do is present it to these authorities and they'll go arrest the right people. Wasn't that your thinking? Sure, yeah. That was my thinking. Like, I if I had to confess sin, it's that I was naive. It's like, man, I I have never envisioned people so unreasonable that reality does not check them on any level. Well, that's King County prosecutors. Yeah, that's you, Jason Simmons. Uh I can name the other five. That's my point. So in the beginning, everybody's standing firm because you think you're gonna get through to these people. Yes. You really do. You go, well, I'm not leaving, I'm not running, I'm not going, and the church was united because we knew the truth. Well, then, especially after the trial, it became very, very clear, especially even through the trial, they weren't gonna listen. Correct. And everything was gonna be lied about and twisted back, correct?

Jacob

Correct.

Timothy

All right, so then you find, well, Jason Simmons, every court day that that trial went on for 28 days, he would turn and have people that were sitting in the pews, I don't know if they call them pews or not, in the courtroom and make other people point out who they were if they belonged to the church and their name. I mean, it was an intimidation, front and center, and in your face. Judge Laurie K. Smith fully approved. People didn't care. Even the defense attorney said, Your honor, this is not proper. This is not right. You know, I don't even recall that she even responded. She just kind of listened, whatever, don't do it. So every single day, King County prosecutors, get this in your mind. I'm not exaggerating, would turn and intimidate people that were quietly, privately sitting in the pews and have the person in the windstand call out their name. Is that not correct? Yes. All right, so he's grinding down. King County prosecutors, they don't win by facts, they don't win by truth, they don't win by evidence. It's very clear if Detective McCall can make up these things and do these things and nobody thinks twice about it, that tells me the rest of the police and the rest of the prosecutors and the rest of the judges in Washington State are doing this on a routine basis. It just never rises to the level to become evident because nobody stands against it. All right, so you're being worn down, the pressure's coming in. People are still standing firm, aren't they? Still showing up to the trial? Yeah. Even after the guilty verdict, they were saying this is not possible, this is not right, correct? Yes. Ah, but see, from God's perspective, now becomes the test. Because then you're being driven out of town, then you're being scattered, then it's being tested to what is it you really believe, were you really picking up the cross? How deep was that going? And now we see into play the test that's coming on the world where many will leave the faith, hate, and betray others to the death. And so now we see people either turning to a false Jesus or persecuting by slander or joining the very people that promoted all the lies you stood against. Any comments or questions on all of that? No. All right. You know what? I think we really are out of time, and we'll pick that up next time when we talk about Lot's wife.

Closing Warnings And Disclaimers

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