From Church Hurt To Purpose: How Faith Became Real

A lot of us grew up in church and still felt far from God. That’s where this conversation starts: the moment faith stops being inherited and becomes a personal decision. We open up about drifting, searching, and the crisis points that brought us back—psychedelics exposing a dark spiritual reality, moving countries and losing parental covering, and chasing identity in roles that couldn’t fill the ache. From there we build a practical path forward: morning prayer that anchors the day, Scripture that shapes attention, and small mid-day resets that push back on distraction. We also get real about marriage—leading with humility, praying together, and keeping each other steady when doubt or exhaustion hits.

We name church hurt plainly. Labels, gossip, and misplaced expectations wound deeply, but people’s failures are not God’s character. Forgiveness isn’t denial; it’s refusing to let bitterness run your life. Leaders, this one’s for you: church is a hospital, not a stage. Admit weaknesses, center sermons in Scripture, and shepherd with empathy. Then we tackle salvation: belief is the beginning, not a loophole. Grace saves through faith, but repentance and obedience mark a transformed life. Denominations don’t save—Jesus does. Whether someone repents early or late, God alone judges the heart, and real repentance bears fruit.

Purpose comes alive when we stop consuming and start serving. We share stories of stepping out at work, offering a simple “Jesus loves you,” and watching God meet people in quiet, surprising ways. If you’re hungry to rebuild your faith, heal from church hurt, or get clear on salvation without the noise of labels and trends, this is your invitation to start fresh—eyes on Jesus, heart open, hands ready.

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Chapters

• 0:37 Meet The Hosts And Guests
• 1:50 Icebreaker: What People Don’t See
• 4:21 When Faith Becomes Personal
• 11:25 Daily Habits That Keep Faith Alive
• 18:36 Marriage, Unity, And Spiritual Leadership
• 28:24 Church Hurt: Stories And Causes
• 40:15 People vs God: Blame, Sin, And Free Will
• 49:20 Forgiveness, Healing, And Moving Forward
• 1:02:39 What Is Salvation? Faith, Works, And Grace
• 1:17:05 Denominations, Tradition, And Unity In Christ
• 1:31:40 Calling, Purpose, And Boldness To Share
• 1:46:15 Rapid Fire: Worship, Myths, And Trends
• 1:59:40 Final Encouragements And Where To Find Us

Transcript

SPEAKER_06: 0:37

And just like that, we are back, guys. Welcome back to Jeff's World. We're back with another episode, and man, I'm excited today. This episode, I'm super excited for. I feel like it's gonna be an episode filled with faith, filled with questions and ideas and and faith, right? So I'm excited to be here with you guys. I'm your host, Jeff, today.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00

And I'm your co-host Allison. And we're not alone today. We have two amazing guests here with us tonight.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06

Let's go. We got two very amazing people here with us. We got two of my brothers here. My brother Jonathan Otalvaro and my brother Daniel Restrepo. Welcome guys. How are you guys doing? How are you guys today?

SPEAKER_04: 1:18

Hey, how's it going, man? Yeah, so excited to be here. Uh, this is my first time on this podcast, and I'm looking forward to seeing what we're gonna talk today.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28

Yeah, of course. I'm doing good, bro. I'm super, super excited. I feel like we've been talking about this for a long time, long, long time. So I'm really, really excited to finally be here and uh, you know, let God do his thing. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_06: 1:41

It's been cooking, and and yeah, I'm excited to get into it. And yeah, let's get it. Let's get into it. Let's go, let's let's start off.

SPEAKER_08: 1:48

Yeah, let's start with an icebreaker. Uh, what's one thing people don't know about your walk with God? And let's start with Jonathan.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55

Um, one thing that people don't know about my walk with God, um, I feel like I've been laying it out all out there for uh this whole year uh specifically. Uh but something that people don't know is uh that, and it's actually a topic that we're gonna talk about today. Uh I went through a lot of church hurt. And um, you know, and I feel like with people like that that experience church hurt, it shows like their maturity levels and how they are spiritually with their walk with God and like their maturity levels that by like themselves. Um but for sure church hurt. I had a lot, a lot of church hurt, and that's one of the big things that separated me from the church for a while.

SPEAKER_06: 2:42

Yeah, man, I can't wait to hear that. I can't wait to get into that, man. Because I I I can relate a little bit. What about you, brother? What have we gone, Danny? What about you? When was like you know, when was the first time um for you? For what? For for that topic? Yeah, for no, for the one thing, you know, for that people don't know about your walk with God.

SPEAKER_04: 3:00

It's good the I mean I I have stuff like like because bro went into the bad stuff, you know. So like something good, I would say. Uh some people that don't know, I was a Sunday school teacher. What do you mean back in the day? Yeah, I I I used to be, I used to be, and I actually have a pretty great connection with the kids. Like they they used to like my my classes, so yeah, that's something I I did I did back in the day. And I think in something too, I think uh everybody I had my moments where I was just like spiritually like away from God, you know, like that that like cold that that's that's the way we we we call it. And I had my moment too, where I was so down, where I was I wouldn't care about the church, even though when I was a church, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah, so sometimes they they see that maybe like you're a leader or something, and you've been always there, and especially probably later we'll get into that. But like I grew up in church and they would think, oh, he's always like connected to God, he's always fine, he's always and now we all like we have those moments.

SPEAKER_06: 4:08

Yeah, no man, that's sick, man. And and yeah, I think that's something I want to get into with with with all of us here, right? Because I think a lot of us have uh a testimony, and I think all of us have uh a time that our faith really, really started um becoming real, right? I think for for for me, for example, right? I come from a I come from a time where family grew up in church. You know, all my uncles, my aunts, my father, my mom. We we all grew up in the church, right? But I can't say starting the church, I don't think that's when exactly my faith was real because I think I was just a kid that was kind of forced to go, like all the people nowadays, we're just forced to go to church. And we don't really know what we're going for. We just kind of go because we're kind of forced to go, right? But it wasn't about till I turned about 21 years old where I had a decision to make. It was either it was an honest decision. I think it was either like my life is about to end, like I have no way out right now, or I gotta go back to God. And it was such an interesting like uh connection, like like that, uh that something for like that to happen because I've never had something like that happen, right? It was like a like a weight on me that was like I felt like I was choking. I was like, I need to, I need God. So imagine that even as a teenager, you would think like, oh, maybe when you got baptized, maybe when you when you first got baptized, was that your fear old, you know. But it wasn't for me, it wasn't, right? I it it wasn't until I became, I think it was 20, 20, 21 years old, 22 years old, around there. I was like, nah, I gotta, I need to go to church. Like I'm finding I'm finding nowhere to go, right? And what about you guys, right? What was a moment that made your guys' faith real? Like, what was that moment for for you guys?

SPEAKER_01: 5:41

I feel like I can I can relate to you. So same thing. Growing up in church, uh, my dad being a pastor before I was even born. Yeah, um, you know, I went to church just because I was, you know, my parents would bring me. And as I got older, obviously, like you're exposed to so many things out on the world, and you like as any normal human being, like you want to explore, you start getting pulled into all these different things. And I remember like uh I always question, like, is this really real? Like, is this really like um is this the truth? Is this really what like what I want to do? And specifically, I remember when I was like 19, 20 years old, um, I started doing like those like psychedelics, and that completely like changed my way of thinking of this in the spiritual sense. Like, okay, like there is definitely a lot more to this than there is just this physical reality. And that exposed me to like um the spiritual world, um, and like a whole bunch of other stuff. And then I remember there was a time where uh I just had like a like a crazy breakdown, like a like a theorization of like, okay, like there's obviously like where I'm being led to is is is being led by darkness, being led by a whole bunch of things that are not good for me, not good for my mental health, not good for my spiritual health, not good for my um my physical self. Yeah. And so I I instantly was like, okay, like obviously, like God has to be real because if there's an extreme of something, there has to be the extreme of the the opposite.

SPEAKER_06: 7:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:20

Um, and I just remember thinking, like, okay, like I have to get serious with God. And like obviously there's there's a there was a process in that. It wasn't just like a switch that turned on and I was good again. Like, no, I I had to come to terms of like, okay, um, how do I get back in my walk with God? Uh, but that's for sure when I realized, like, okay, spiritually speaking, there is another dimension that exists for sure.

SPEAKER_06: 7:46

That's that's huge, bro. It's about you, Danny.

SPEAKER_04: 7:50

So about me, I think we all agree in this, like like because we grew up in church. Yeah, and I think it's in that moment where you realize because when you're a kid, when you're uh maybe like a teenager, to that point you're still thinking that your spiritual life is related to your parents, you know, as long as they're like grounded, as long as like spiritually talking, like that they're there, like they they go to church and they have that uh um that fellowship or that like or they're close to God, so you think that you're the same, you know. You think that somehow that covers you, but when you realize that it's on you, that you gotta work on your own relationship, so that's where everything changes. And that happened to me. I came to this country around over seven years ago. Wow. When I came here, that's where I realized, oh, my parents, they're not here, they're not here anymore. Yeah, I'm no longer living with them, and now I gotta do it on my own, you know. Like if I don't pray, if I don't read the Bible, if I don't have um that constant uh relation, uh relationship with God, like what am I gonna do? And that's where you realize, okay, uh like you you gotta do something about it. That's where your faith becomes real, and more when you go into situations and it's like, well, I gotta do something about it, you know? Yeah, like I can just let it go. I don't have my parents here to to catch me up. Now it's all on me. Yeah, so I think that's where I really experienced like it becomes real. Yeah, it became real. Like I realized that either either way, like I grew up in church and all of those preachings, all of those uh testimonies, um they were not just there, you know, to to to to I I was not just there to spend my time. I actually I I I found that that was like deep in my in my heart, and they came out when I came here. I was like, okay, I gotta do this, you know. It's not just the the theory, now let's take it to the practice. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 9:56

That's huge. And babe, I don't I don't know if I ever asked you that. I feel like I don't what was your what was your time when you felt like that, when it was real, like your faith was finally real?

SPEAKER_08: 10:05

Um, well, my process was super long and strong. Um I struggled a lot with church. I didn't like church at all growing up. I was the the teenager, the kid that would leave class and hope no one noticed. I didn't like anything to do with religion or so, even having to come back for the first time that was really hard for me. So I would say when did start things start getting real, I would say just recently, because although I knew that this was the correct path, but it had to take a lot of maturing and to realize like, hey, like this world is not gonna offer me like eternal happiness. You know what I mean? Like I'm never gonna be truly happy. And it was that like need to find a purpose, and you know, thinking that, oh, maybe being, you know, the perfect wife or you know, being a mom or like you know, having the perfect career, like getting those things would give me that um fulfillment, but I had to hit a wall and say, wait, no, like only God can really fill that void. And I think that's when things got um really real for me.

SPEAKER_06: 11:10

Yeah, that's so true. I feel it sometimes feels like when we're we're alone, right? When when it becomes like that time of realness, right?

SPEAKER_01: 11:17

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I actually wanted to add on to what like Dan was saying. Like it does like your parents can pray for you, your parents can like you know, the church can pray for you, but at the end of the day, it is 100% up to you to what your like what action are you gonna take? Are you gonna follow the world? Are you gonna follow uh your friends? Are you gonna follow the people around you, or are you gonna follow God? And like like their prayers can can protect you from certain things, their prayers can protect you um from specific things, but at the end of the day, like God isn't gonna force you to love him or follow him. It's uh totally up to you.

SPEAKER_06: 11:52

That's huge, yeah. And I and I remember a lot of people like when I when I came to the real realization of that, where someone could pray for you all you want, but that doesn't guarantee you know you're gonna be saved just because someone prayed for you in a way, right? It requires that person themselves to that sacrifice of realizing who Jesus is for you. And it's so awesome that all of us have it it's it's an unfortunate thing in a way, because it requires us when we were alone to realize we need Jesus. Because when we're around with people, we're we're we're with everybody, you you you seem like everything's going good, like Danny was saying, you were with your parents. In a way, I think back now, I'm like, yeah, if my parents are going and I'm with them, then I'm kind of locked in too with God, right? Because I'm with them. But then when you realize when you're alone, you're like, Yeah, this is this isn't like I can't do this at my own strength. And to know, right, you're seven years in here now and you're still here, and God has kept you, you know, it's it's amazing. You when you go through all through all the psychedelics that you went through, and and bro, that's a whole different dimension. Like to be able, some people don't get out of that situation.

SPEAKER_01: 12:55

100%. Yeah, like that's 100%. I tell people all the time, like if it weren't for God, I would still be there 100%.

SPEAKER_06: 13:02

So it's interesting that we know that now. But what do we do now, right? Because yeah, we accept God and and we we we we we say God, fine, we're gonna go and we're alone with him, but how do you guys keep up with it? What are your guys' method to keeping up with God? Like, what do you do daily that that keeps you because this is a daily battle, remember? Everybody, you guys listening right now. If you're gonna follow God, if you want to follow God, listen, this is a this is a battle from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed. This isn't like I'm just gonna go Sunday to church type thing. No, this is 24-7. Yeah, because some people believe that. Some people believe, hey, let me just go to church on Sunday and I'm doing my due diligence. No, no, no. Let me go repent on Sunday and then I'll go for the rest of the week. Nope.

SPEAKER_08: 13:40

Yeah, and like one of my questions too, um, to add to your question is how like how do you keep the fire burning? Because it's you know, and and you see a lot of times some people will go to church and they love it and they cry, and you'll see them for a few weeks or months, and then you won't see them anymore. So even for me, I struggle with that, even though I continue to go. But you know, there are moments where the fire is burning, and then there's moments where it's like, hey, it's it's kind of dimming down a little. So um, you know, how do you guys keep that momentum?

SPEAKER_01: 14:12

Um well, me specifically, uh, so I came back to church this year. Um, last year, like I I want to say last year was probably like my lowest point to where I said, okay, I have to change now, or like like my life is literally going into oblivion. Um, and I made a drastic choice to like, okay, I need to 100% just let God transform my life um because I need change. Like I came to that point where like I was I was so anxious, I was going through so much stuff, and I was doing so many things that were not right with God that my conviction was just so heavy every single day um that it was it was too heavy. And you have to start with prayer and reading the Bible. Those are the two strongest and two most like basic things that you can do um to strengthen your relationship with God. Because if you're not feeding your relationship with God and you're not being intimate with God, it's just gonna get cold um again and again. And it's a it's a struggle that you deal with every day. Some days you're gonna wake up and you're gonna be like, I do not want to read the Bible, I do not want to pray, I do not want to do this, I just want to stay away from God. Yeah, but that's just the flesh telling you, like, hey, like, no, do this, do this, do that, and trying to distract you with certain things. But like Jeff said, it's a battle every single day as soon as you wake up. Like, you wake up and you grab your phone, and whatever media you consume as soon as you wake up, that's gonna basically uh guide your day for the rest of the day. So if you wake up and you pray and read the Bible, that's going to guide you for the rest of the day. Um, so it's prayer and reading the Bible is the most important thing that I feel like as a Christian that you can do, and you'll see it. Um, the more you do it, the more you'll mature, the more you do it, the more you'll memorize it, the more you do it, the more things are revealed to you, the the the wiser you get. But again, you have to stay consistent because if not, uh your relationship with God will get cold. It's like a marriage. If you're not working at it every day, you guys will end up growing apart, you guys will end up getting colder with uh from each other, you guys will end up like not even talking to each other, not opening up to each other, and it's the same way with your relationship with God.

SPEAKER_06: 16:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 16:24

So I think I I agree with Jonathan on this. Like um, I think it's yeah, it's just that constant um relationship with God, like looking for God, like from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep. I think that's super important. Um besides also, I think your own experiences, you know. Like, I I think one of the things, and uh the Paul he says this in the Bible. Uh we no longer live for ourselves, we live for God. Yeah, so I think that's something important from the moment you wake up and you pray. One of the main prayers I do, and I learned this a lot through Pastor, through our pastor, that catch all this Jonathan's that we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_06: 17:10

I don't want to cut you off, but yeah, hey, you both are pastors' kids. Yeah, you both both your parents are pastors, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 17:16

So yeah, yeah, we we have a lot of experience, we sure are a lot of things in common, and and and definitely one of the things I learned is like when I pray in the mornings, it's like God, what do you want with me? How can I be useful today? Today, and I think we'll get into that later too. Like we have uh something else, but but one of the things is that like and and and I've had experiences with that, even today I had an experience. So it's it's like that. If if you don't put yourself in yourself in God's hand, like that that's gonna be hard, you know, because you no longer live for yourself. And another thing, uh like Jonathan said, like you you gotta feed your heart with God's word, because the enemy out there, it has he has so many tools, so many weapons, so many strategies to take you down, you know, to kind of like attack you, to kind of like take away the the joy that God has put in you. So that if if you don't cover yourself with God, it's gonna be so hard to survive. You know, something else is gonna cover you. Exactly.

SPEAKER_08: 18:32

Yeah, so speaking about weapons, uh Jonathan, you're married. Um welcome to the married what you mean by that.

SPEAKER_01: 18:40

It's been it's been it's been a year and four months. Four months. Or actually, it's gonna be five months. A year and five months today, actually. Shout out to my boy though. He's gonna get married real soon.

SPEAKER_06: 18:51

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01: 18:52

It's coming up, it's coming up, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 18:54

So uh what I wanted to say was um, you know, being in a marriage, um, that can cause like what practices do you guys um do together to maintain that? Because um, you know, we've been married for a while also, and we've had to learn our kind of kind of when you're married though, it becomes it becomes a one-team thing.

SPEAKER_06: 19:12

You could do it individually, which is very good, right? But you gotta do it together because the man leads, right? 100%. The man leads.

SPEAKER_08: 19:19

So or if the partner, one of them is kind of like off, and the other one isn't like how you know, how do you guys hold each other accountable? Like, you know, what's one one thing you guys do together?

SPEAKER_01: 19:27

That yeah, um, so what what we do together, I like for sure. We have our our own separate devotionals. Like, she'll like she'll I'll sometimes I'll walk in and she'll be reading the Bible and she'll be doing her own thing. Like, I have my own devotionals all the time. Uh, but one thing is like we talk about all the time, like laziness to going to church, like that happens a lot. Yeah, and it's like, oh, like I'm I'm lazy, I'm so tired, or like waking up early for Sunday. Like, and we live an hour away. I'm gonna say that respect to you because you live far. We live an hour away from church. If you get traffic, you'll love and like uh for those of you that don't know, my wife is pregnant too. So, like sometimes she'd be like super lazy. Yeah, I I get lazy and I'm like, man, like do I have to go? Do we go? Like, do I have to wake up super early? And sometimes we'll have to wake up even earlier for like the English coffee with Jesus. Um, we're just like, man, like, dude, like I don't want to go. I don't want to wake up early, especially after working all week. So keeping ourselves accountable with like now, we have to go. Like, yeah, we have to start the week, right? Start the week in the presence of God, start the week um doing that, and then also just praying together every once in a while, reading the Bible every once in a while, um, having your own devotionals together. Um, and then also like opening up, like, hey, like I'm struggling with this, like, hey, I'm feeling certain this certain way. I'm feeling um, I'm feeling down right now. Yeah, um, like I have my own podcast, and I'll tell I'll tell my wife, like, I I don't feel like doing this. Like, I really don't feel like like preaching right now. I don't feel like like getting up and doing all the editing. I don't feel like doing it. And she just told me, like, you got this, you can do it. Just go and do it. It's it only takes up this much time. And like, I feel like she's like something that I need to like fall on for her to give me that push of like you got this. And then she's like, she's my number one fan. She'll tell me, like, I loved your podcast, I like this part. I I love the when you talk about this. So it's like she's the one that motivates me to keep going. And I feel like it's the same way the other way around. Like, I'm the one that also like tells her, like, you got this, you're gonna be okay, especially right now in her and and her pregnancy. Like, a lot of doubts come on on her, like all the time. Sorry that I'm like exposing her like that, but she she'll have like certain like moments of like extreme doubt of like, can we do this? Are we really ready? Are we financially stable? Are we are we really ready to be parents? And like I have to be there, be like, hey, like God has everything under control. Like, we have to understand that this is a blessing from God, and God wouldn't just give it to us just because. Uh, so like I just like being able to understand that we have each other's backs and keep each other in check of God is in control, and like everybody's gonna have those moments of I don't know what I'm doing, I'm freaking out. Uh like you're just like going back and forth, and then I feel like your partner will always be able to like keep you in check, especially if you have God in the center in the middle of your relationship.

SPEAKER_06: 22:18

Of course, and that's awesome what you said right there, right? You said God has uh God's got this, right? The human people, them uh the average person says, I got this. Something's going bad, the average person says, I got it. We'll I'll get through, we'll get through it together, we'll figure out a way. But when we have God, it's so amazing because we got that piece that we sometimes don't understand because we know God's got it. But Danny, how about you? You're about to get married, man. But I know, but what do you plan, right? Because as someone that's about to go into that, right? How how do you because we go we go into this with agaros de Dios? So how do you what are the plans that you think is something that's gonna help you guys? Because we've above all, God is first, right? So how do we keep that together? Because like Alison was saying, like you know, Jonathan was saying, it's as a couple sometimes it's you you have to be one because if one's kind of slowing down, guess what? Eventually you're gonna get slowed down. But what do what do you what do you do you have plans? Do you like do you think of anything like thinking already ahead, like like how are you gonna make that work or anything?

SPEAKER_04: 23:17

Or it's not like we have a like specific plan, like, oh yeah, we're gonna start doing this. No, we have our things, you know, like sometimes we just um read the Bible together, sometimes it's like we're through the phone and it's like hey, um, let's talk about this, or have you heard about this? And we kind of like uh usually in our normal talks, it's like, oh, you know, I was reading about this, what you think about it. Um I think something important is that we have defined that Jesus is the center of this, you know, and we know that this was not just something that came casual or it was just simple like luck. We know that there's a purpose, a purpose behind. Yeah, and I think that's something important for you to understand when you are with your partner, like there's a purpose, like there's not just just your uh just your personal purpose, but also that purpose as a couple, and I know that God He has so like like He always has like crazy plans, you know? So yeah, it's like we gotta be prepared, yeah. You know, like how you how how are you how are you gonna be prepared for that if you don't um put God with first, you know, and in everything and you start doing, you know, like those plans, like reading the Bible, like getting closer to God, not just you, but you as a as a couple.

SPEAKER_06: 24:42

Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_08: 24:44

Yeah, I applaud both of you guys because statistically, usually in church, there's more like usually a lot of women that tend to be, you know, leading in households. And I really applaud you guys for you know taking the lead in your marriages and keeping God in the center, because without that, you know, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01: 25:02

Yeah. Um Danny mentioned something that's very, very important. And it's in and if you're listening to this and you're not married yet, make sure that your purpose in God aligns. That's very, very important. Because if you guys have completely different like plans, like if you yourself have like you're like you know you have a calling in God and it doesn't align with the what this person has with God, like it's gonna be the struggle. Like, like specifically, that's something me and my wife talked about before, like in our dating stages. Like we like where where do you see yourself 10 years from now in God? That's right. And like even though I wasn't like good with God back then, like I like we know, like you know, like you know deep down that God has a calling for you, and you know exactly what it is, yeah. And it and you can't hide from God. So like I remember I expressed it to her, and she said, you know what? I'm exact I feel exactly the same. So like that's that's how you know you're headed towards towards the right path.

SPEAKER_06: 25:56

That's amazing, yeah. And and and also like if you're listening to this and you're maybe you're gonna marry soon or you're thinking you're gonna get married eventually. Remember this. If this is goes to the this is going to the men, men, you are the leaders. Your wife is an example of you. I don't know if you guys believe me or not on that, but I think the men, the woman is an example of them, right? If you end up eventually straying away and not really trying to focus on God, guess what? Your wife is gonna follow you. 100%. Hey, and glory to God to those wives that they see you straying away and they pray hard for you to come back because there are those wives out there too. Yeah, definitely. My wife is one of them. I I kid you not, not long ago, like things were just really tougher on life, and you know, I was just trying to be a little obnoxious and kind of like do my own thing. But man, I would come in, she would have worship music playing, she'll have pastors like Tuesdays thing going. And when you start growing cold to God, guess what happens? Eventually, you don't want to hear those things. But God knows what he's doing, and you gotta remember, like like Jonathan just said too, and and Danny said, make sure the wife you're getting is aligned with your thought. Because the moment that you start failing and she's not aligned with your thought, guess what's gonna happen? See you later. You're gonna go right down, and that's the truth of it. You have to be aligned, and and the men, you have to be the leader. Yeah, men's men's out there, you have to be the leader, man. 100.

SPEAKER_04: 27:17

I think I got I I have something to say over there because I I know that we like men, we like to say, oh, you know, like I'm the leader and all the people. The Batistas or something, but that that's not what the Bible really means. And uh, and on top of that, um, this is going for the men too, because the Bible says and it talks about the women that they have to respect uh the their her their husbands, you know. You you have you need to have that, but to the guys, to the men, they the Bible says that you gotta love your wife the same way Jesus loved the the church, yeah. And that's not an easy task. No, I gotta say that. Like, that's not it. I'm I'm not even there, I'm almost there. Yeah, yeah. And I and I'm thinking, like, bro, that's hard. But but I think when you're with the right woman, you're willing to do it. No, you know, I agree. It it's worth and if and if you don't love the the girl you you're with right now, like probably you you have a girlfriend and you're thinking of a woman, and if you're not willing to do that, yo, don't get married to that girl because probably that's not the one.

SPEAKER_06: 28:23

Yeah, or if you have a girlfriend, you know, and you're like kind of doubting, like ask God. Yeah, ask God to remove. And if if it's his will, he's it'll remove it, it will remove it, yeah. And don't go asking God again. And when it happens, they'll be upset about it.

SPEAKER_04: 28:38

Those are crazy prayers, but they they work, but they work, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 28:42

Yeah, just making sure that both you know are in the same faith at least.

SPEAKER_06: 28:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't want look, this is this is a great conversation about relationship, but I'm not we're not gonna go into that because we'll be here all day.

SPEAKER_04: 28:54

Oh no, yeah, that'll be for another episode.

SPEAKER_06: 28:57

Nah, man, but that was awesome, like you know, seeing each other's faith and and and and seeing what we do to stay grounded to it is super important. Real quick, right off the bat, morning prayers or night and late night prayers, what's better?

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

Um for a long time I was waking up at three in the morning to pray. Or I did it for a few months. Um and I feel like that that helped a lot, but I also do like at on my break, I always take on my Bible and I pray um at work specifically. I it's not as long as like my my morning prayer would be, but I feel like taking the time in the middle of the day also helps a lot to continue your day. Okay, um, that's interesting. Especially especially for me, um, because I feel like um once I get home, like I my mind is like fully like shut off. Yeah, like after a long day at work, I'm shut off. I pray at night real quick, but it's always in the morning and midday for me, specifically, not at night. Okay, I'll do a quick prayer right before I go to sleep, but that's

SPEAKER_04: 30:00

usually yeah yeah yeah what about you did yeah morning prayers I think I have a lot of also like experiences on that but I think it's uh it's the best way yeah to start the day you know that's the best way to start the day because I don't know it feels different it feels different you you feel like um like lighter than I know what you mean yeah yeah you're like prepping your day you're blessing your day saying God whatever comes like get prepare me so yeah and I feel like you're you're 100% awake after you pray like like yeah like on your way to work you're like fully awake you're like you're fine you're not groggy you're you're let me tell you brother I started doing the well I think I've been a month in already right babe about a month 5 a.m I'm up for the morning prayer the church went at 5 a.m I'm locked in every morning 5 a.m and I've noticed not that I was aware I'm I'm a good employee at my job I think I'm a good employee right but I it could be lazy like you know there's a thing about getting there right on time there there's a saying that my wife says if if you're there on time you're already late that's what she says so I was kind of that person that was always kind of like you know I was getting there kind of right on time since I started getting at 5 a.m dude I kid you not like you first of all you start off your day great because you're already giving your day to God is like God my day started whatever's to come like you handled everything and I'm gonna be honest with you I've noticed such an uptake at work like like a burden taken off of me if that makes sense like it's just been like I like working at a car dealership can be very stressful because it's customer service but to know that I can come home now and I don't feel stressed I don't feel angry I don't feel like I don't want to talk to my wife I'm like where did this come from and I'm like wow those are 5 a.m things they make sense it can be tough though because you get tired.

SPEAKER_06: 31:45

Oh yeah and it happened to me the other day so dark now yeah the other day the other day I was on at 5 a.m and I'm praying and I you know sometimes I'll I'll I'll go on my knee and and pray and but sometimes I'll be you know I'll just lay in bed and listen and pray in and for the longest time I didn't that I've never heard them like call people out like hey can you lead this prayer and there was this one day when I was like actually really tired I had my eyes closed and I was just kind of listening not really like going with it and the brother goes hey brother can you read can you pray and then he said about what and I'm like what did he just say did he just say me to pray and everything went quiet and he goes brother are you there and bro I'm just like and I just kind of kept saying like hello alo hello like like like if my mic wasn't working and then he goes oh and he's oh see um and then he's oh yeah can you pray for I'm like oh yeah yeah yeah bro I made that prayer bro I got up I was like yeah I'm I'm going to work I was like I was wide awake but but it's so important I think a more of a morning prayer because you set your day already you set the you set the boundaries for the day already and I feel like you you'll be in more connection with God throughout your day as well like I feel like you're you you'll pray more throughout your day like like hey God help me with this God help me because you're connected straight off in the morning well yeah yeah because you you go and what happens is when when we're always tempted in some way somehow in our jobs maybe it could be all right but something about when you pray in the morning either one temptation don't doesn't show up for through your work day but when it does it's just it's it's boop it it ricochets off it ricochets off because and not only that my mind just goes back to to I'm already like I'm locked I feel like I'm covered with Jesus like everywhere I go and I feel so full of Jesus that like I tell people now it's like listen if you're coming to talk to me if you're in my little bubble listen I'm gonna talk to you about Jesus like you set yourself ready to like it's like it's like I think about it in the morning as like in the military when you're getting ready to go to war man you're putting on all your armor right you're putting all your your what you got to put on for the day and you step out that door and you're ready for whatever comes your way and I think that's why I think morning prayer is so important because you're setting yourself ready for success. Nothing wrong with the late nights nothing wrong with it you can still do it but I just think taking that time but I think the morning ones are are good. You guys good on that? 100% yep awesome bro what a good conversation we just barely getting started we're in point one we're in point one but now I want to get to this this this conversation guys and it's it's it's about church hurt and the reason I want to talk about this was because I've been talking to a lot of people lately and I'm so surprised to know that there are so many people that I think that that I would have seen I'm like this person never like that does he know about Jesus does he know does he know anything about and when I finally go talk to them they're like yeah I used to go to church have you ever noticed that that you talk to somebody and they always bring out like I used to go to church or my family members go to church or my famil my my brothers and sisters go to church my parents used to go to church yeah yeah yeah so we see that all the time is that someone has always been going to church but something happened right we do we what we call now it's it's church hurt and I want to ask you guys that right in my personal in my personal thing I was church hurt right it was it was basically maybe I was a teenager at the time right but it was it was uh it was a situation where you expect the church to be there for you no matter what no matter what you do right something's obviously doesn't they're not right and and and and you know you look back you're like man I obviously I would regret but you're young you're dumb you you you're that's what it is you're out you're dumb and you know you're not really thinking straight but the worst thing is when when when when the church kind of pushes you away I remember one time there was somebody that told me um she would call me a pica floater she would call me a pica floater and I'm like like what are you doing you know what I mean like in a way is like what are you doing? You're seeing it as a joke like okay but in reality though you know as a as as a as a teenager you're thinking like well they don't they don't respect me like you know you you don't feel that that like you're respected because and as a teenager you think you know it all so when someone says that yeah you know hadn't people call you like oh like you're a devil or something and I'm like what like I'm in your class right now like what are we doing? Like I come to church every day there's things that people can do there's things that that that that that people um do to you that causes you to in a way it makes you hate God but it wasn't even God's fault right it it makes you hate God but it was it was sometimes just it's just crazy because sometimes you know we we we we look towards the people and and and I feel like that's not where where I should be but I want to ask you guys have you guys ever experienced you know that that maybe being church hurt for for whatever reason I feel like so like I said and in the beginning I did go through church hurt and specifically I feel like I started to get like though as the years went by I started to get angry at like my parents too because like I would see how much they would give into the church.

SPEAKER_01: 36:54

But same thing like this all goes with maturity level as well like um hundred percent like I would I would be like I was ashamed of my actions as well and like your own thoughts are also accusing you you're like hey like like I did this I did that I feel ashamed I don't even want to show up I don't want to show up to church I don't want people to to like point fingers at me I don't want people to say like oh look this person that did this this and that is here um and I feel like that as well like separated me completely from the church I didn't want to go to church because of the shame that I felt and then also like like I said I started to grow angry towards my parents I remember there's one this one point where like I I like lashed out at my parents I was like look like I don't care about the church like I I don't care I don't care about the hermanos I don't like bro I was going off yeah and I just told them like I just want my parents to like to like focus on me yeah type thing and like they were like shocked they were like what is going on and it was literally just me my pent up anger and then also like like I was getting fed thoughts that were obviously not mine. Yeah um from feeling all that shame all that all the condemnation of you did this you did this you did this you don't belong in church you don't belong um as a Christian you did uh you did that and I feel like that 100% separated me from the church like I said to the point where like I hated church I had I wanted nothing to do with it and I grew resentment towards my parents because of it and it just had to do with my own maturity level and like letting the world affect my point of view of the church as well.

SPEAKER_04: 38:28

Yeah that's huge man how about you Danny I mean if I don't really have like something crazy like where I was like oh you know like hey hate and you know what there's nothing wrong with that either yeah the the thing is that I think I just grew up like knowing that people will be people you know like that that's the that's a reality but that doesn't mean that I lived certain situations at church. I remember one uh this is a crazy one I was a teenager probably and I was hanging out with some people and I used to have this guy he was a friend of mine and we were talking about someone so they were like kind of like uh joking around with me and this this friend she was she was a girl but she was way older than me and I was not interested at all like on her but they were just making jokes you know I would and isn't one of those hilly moments where you just say like nah this girl no because of this and you give your reasons right but not in bad I didn't go that crazy I didn't say anything I was just trying to to make them stop making jokes about me but the guy that was next to me he was interested in this girl and I don't know why probably he wanted to to be like a hero but in that moment while I was saying the stuff bro was recording me recording the audio of the stuff I was saying it's crazy and he sent it to the girl bro I was like what's wrong with this dude and then I like that girl she was a friend of mine so then I had to explain to her like you you it was just in the moment that these people they were just joking or making jokes about me but something interesting is that another thing for example like back in the day I don't know here I don't know how it was about in Colombia and Costa Rica they used to think like going to the movies to the movie theater that was like bad you know so I sometimes I used to people people still think that I'm just gonna be honest yeah and and and back in the day my dad's uh my my parents they used to think that so they they wouldn't allow me and and I used to sneak you know I'll sneak out with some for church yeah yeah because that was my people you know I grew up in church so I would go just with them and I remember one day um uh I I went you know and and I would tell my dad I just go into the mall and then the week after he called me and he was like oh Danny um where did you go last week where were you I was like yeah I was just at the mall um they were like you sure because one of the girls I I went with a group of friends you know many people but one of the the girls uh uh she she went and then her parents they were talking to her like why did you go that you know that you can't go and she was like why can I if I went with Danny like he's a pastor's kid and they told my dad and then my dad was like I found out you know so it is crazy because sometimes these these moments and you live with people to church so especially when you're a PK oh my god they are always behind you and what you do and when so that's where what I want to get like sometimes it was so frustrating to be not being allowed to do stuff that other people will do because they will look at you different like like yeah you you are a PK you gotta be a saint you know you gotta do everything perfect because look at your parents like and and that's the thing like I mean the pastors well that those are my parents I'm not a pastor you know I'm just it happens that I'm that undersign but but that's different so I think that's where I will will go with that yeah that's crazy how about you ever experienced something like that in church not really no it must be nice it's the worst thing I think I think I think it sucks right because right like one of the questions I have is what what did that season reveal about people versus God right in in that moment where where it does suck right because you you you do things that you do things that suck you know you do things that you you know yes it it was bad I guess right but it revealed for me in that moment was that like this is what I felt in that moment like like like Jonathan said like you need to be there needs to be a lot of matureness in it right but when you're talking to a 14 15 16 year old kid I mean there's not that much maturess there right but it revealed in the moment feeling is kind of like we can't put our faith in people we can't we can't put our we can't because listen you listen to if you're listening to us right now I'm gonna tell you something people will let you down every time 100% of the time people are gonna let you down and it sucks that because of people we have to suffer in a way right because because I wish I wish in a way that I never left the church right but it and it sucks because at a at a 14 15 16 year old kid a teenager a teenager what they're looking for I I've been I've had the privilege to work with them for over five six years already it's they're looking to be they're looking for attention they're looking for love unfortunately right that's what it is that's that's what the teenagers are looking for nowadays so and and I think a lot of people that I've talked to that been church hurt it happened when they were at that age.

SPEAKER_06: 43:58

Yeah it was when they were young yeah so I'm getting now when they're older right but and when it's that case I'd be like then where was your really your relationship with God at the moment right if you're like 40 30 you know 25 and up is like what's going on here like in a way you can you know but when you're a teenager um you you you know that they're looking for that attention and love and and it realized at that moment I felt like if this is how people are treating me then that's who God is if they're not showing me love if they're not lifting me up if they're just kind of condemning I'm like then that's what God does. Yep. That's that's what it revealed it for me.

SPEAKER_01: 44:34

No yeah I feel like like that's that's a big big part of like the worldview too of like why God doesn't exist and it's because like why is there so much suffering in the world why is there so much poorness in the world why is there so much of corruption in the world and it's because it's not because of God it's because of us. Yeah like we are the ones that mess up we are the ones that commit the actions God doesn't commit actions for us like we have free will and God lets us act however we want yeah because he he's not gonna intervene with with your actions like you are if you want to go rob the store right now you can go do that. Yeah but there's always consequences for that yeah and it's like all the corruption in the world comes from humanity comes from the fall of humanity everything was corrupted in Genesis when you read the book of Genesis you see that the corruption started from there and humanity got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. So it's like people like to blame God but it's no like you have to blame everybody around you and you have to blame yourself. Like you your actions brought you to the point where you are now bad consequences come from your actions yeah it comes from your family's actions from your parents' actions from the people around you's actions like all consequences either good or bad come from your actions and like people have to be held accountable like I did this so this was the outcome not I did this and God gave me this outcome like no comes from your action.

SPEAKER_04: 46:00

Yeah it's like you rob a house and you're you know the guy in there just happened to have a gun and he kills you and now everybody's like God why would you let that happen exactly like what do you mean why like you know it's it's true it's it's one of those things that you know you have to it's not God that causes the the the the the badness in this world it's it's us ourselves it's it's sin from the beginning of times like you said in the book of Genesis from the beginning of times you know we were born sinful we were born with a sinful nature in our hearts which is why God is so important and we can't compare um humans with God I don't know what you think about that Danny like no definitely I agree with you guys I think well and this is this goes also for the people that had that that has been like hurt by church and I think something important to understand is like no one's perfect you know just God but God and and and something in that is that even the people that cannot judge you they're imperfect too you know they're in that way they they're like we are we are all learning about this we are all growing and we're not perfect. So even the people who's failing to judge they're also they're imperfect you know sometimes it in in in their mindset they will think like oh what you did is too low and I'm not in that level but in that level what they're saying they also they they're also being low so I there's someone something that uh I was talking to someone that stopped going to church long time ago and then I got to talk to that person and the person told me because of something that happened at church with certain leaders it has nothing to do with the person it was something with the leaders and they failed and that's how this person got hurt by church like I thought that we're I thought at church everybody's perfect everyone's perfect and that's not the reality you know that's a fake uh prospect with we have from church um someone would say uh I heard this once and this like like the perfect church doesn't exist you know and if you ever heard of a perfect church please don't go to that church run away run away from that church and it says because in the moment that you put your foot in that church it's gonna stop being perfect you know so that's the thing that's deep is deep sound yeah so you you can't you can't you you if you you're not perfect but people they're not perfect either you know the only perfect is God no yeah no Jesus says why are you trying to point out the dust in your brother's eye when you have a chunk of wood in your own eye first take it out of your eye and then you can point it out so it's like nobody here is perfect everybody is always gonna have struggles everybody's gonna have some type of thing that they have to struggle with yeah so it's like you have to understand that people are always gonna fail like Jeff said 100% of the time if you put your trust in people and friends and family and your parents and your partner and your wife if you put 100% of your support on them they're gonna fail you at one point or failure.

SPEAKER_01: 49:05

But you put it 100% in God?

SPEAKER_08: 49:07

100% yeah and I feel like also that that like we can say that why does why does God allow this to happen to us like the pain the hurt but I think it's a lot for us to grow from it and God allows those situations to to happen so that we can put our faith in God and also like see the growth in ourselves like you know why why did this why did this topic hurt me so much look a little bit deeper because there's some stuff that trigger us and um they start to show more about like our you know weaknesses and we can I feel like we can grow more from it at least for me like I didn't directly get church hurt but yeah some people have upset me but that just made me think of like okay let's work on forgiveness you know and that has made my that that part of my life a little bit better now you know when people do let me down okay I'm starting to forgive a little easier and that though those fruits start to grow so that that's the like the beauty I guess in the church hurt and um the part that I feel like yeah that's huge.

SPEAKER_04: 50:07

Well what advice would you give somebody right now maybe in this current situation maybe listening to this podcast right now that maybe have been church hurt and they're thinking about leaving the church what would you tell that person right now that's yeah crazy but I I think I will say no it I think in the end something I've said I've said uh I've told people like and you gotta think on this like no one that who has ever like left the church like becomes like like you know or goes to a better situation you know I've never seen someone that their life got better after they left church it's usually the opposite way and you gotta think of like we are not exempt of this not even Jesus you know he picked his his own crew like he picked the people that was gonna be with him and he still got left behind by by them you know when he was like on the way to the cross yeah they were not there probably some of them they were just watching like from like from far away but they they they were not with him they they didn't help even the one that helped uh Jesus with the cross was now one of the apostles no I mean so he was betrayed by one of the people by one by his own people that's what I that's what I mean so uh what what I always go with that is like I mean even Jesus he went through those things you know I think uh Jesus is the best uh example and when you see all of his teachings he's always saying look at me that's huge he always says in all of his teachings look at me look at me don't look at the the apostles don't look at them no look at me you know so that's important to understand because sometimes we tend to put our uh our faith just because you see that God is using someone that doesn't mean that I that person is God you know it's just God through that person. But the person or the the main character behind whoever is talking is God. And that's where that that's the person you really need to look at.

SPEAKER_06: 52:26

Yeah that's huge man.

SPEAKER_01: 52:28

Yeah um something that Alison brought up was forgiveness and I feel like that's the biggest thing um Jesus says to love one another like he loved the church like how he loved us and that's not an easy task um and you have to learn to forgive because if not you're gonna become bitter you're gonna become uh resentful you're gonna grow like angry uh grudges and all that stuff even in your own physical life apart from your spirituality you're going to get stuck yeah um because all those emotions are negative emotions that you're gonna start reacting negatively to everything that happens in your life and you're you're only gonna grow rotten fruit you're only gonna grow uh things that don't work out all your plans are not gonna work out because you are doing everything in a negative way all your actions are gonna become negative your way you're gonna react to even the good things are gonna be negative yeah like oh I want to spend time with a family oh like no I don't want to like and it's like why are you being like that and it's all because of the root of bitterness through like not forgiving your brother or sister in Christ. And then Jesus says forgive your brothers don't bring don't don't bring don't be resentful in any way um forgive them like I have forgiven you as well and it's like we have to be able to move on from all our actions and from the actions that people have done to us. I actually talked about it in my podcast that I released there was someone that that spoke to me at work about um how their sister was murdered and that was crazy like she brought it up to me and I was in shock at first because I've never had someone open up to me about that and I was like God help me with this conversation because this is like this is not just like somebody like hurt me emotionally like nah like this is like someone took away my my loved one and God just told me like hey tell her to forgive tell her to forgive tell her to forgive tell her to put my to put their trust in me and forgive yeah and that's all I said to her and at the end she was like you know what like thank you so much for telling me that thank you so much to get closer to God. She believes in God but she doesn't really like go to church or anything like that. And she said thank you at the end of the day and like most people you would think that they don't want to hear about forgiveness especially with some situation like that yeah but I I told her and I was like I don't I told her I was like you're not gonna want to hear this but this is what I have to say forgive and she was just like thank you thank you for telling me that so it's it goes a long long way to forgive someone or forgive anybody around you that hurts you.

SPEAKER_04: 54:57

Yeah and and something I have to add to that and maybe this is also um an advice for someone who's going through that right now and maybe I'm just gonna put this example um maybe you got hurt by your best friend you know and you might think you know in order to forgive so we need to become best friends again and that's not a reality sometimes we think uh that that that forgiving someone it's going back to the point where you were before the you're getting hurt and that's not the reality sometimes you can forgive someone but not necessarily you need to have the same kind of relationship you had before yeah sometimes it's that yeah sometimes we put a lot of things or or we think it's in this way it's settling in this in in in in this way we gotta restore everything the way it was and it's not like that you can't completely forgive someone without like you know like restoring some things that probably they they they yeah they were broken and that's fine too yeah yeah or people even think like oh but they don't deserve the forgiveness but we for we you know they forget oh but the forgiveness is for ourselves like it's so that we don't carry that weight like Jonathan's coworker you know it's it's like a burden taken off you know it's that weight taken off for that person even though that person that that murdered or doesn't deserve it but you know it's for ourselves.

SPEAKER_01: 56:20

But like they're gonna if you don't forgive them they're gonna have control of your life for the rest of your life and like that's they don't deserve that control.

SPEAKER_06: 56:27

And what happens is people are big to kind of jump on God when he forgives but when he like the bad things are happening they like to blame God. Oh yeah but when God says I forgive you well you shouldn't you should where's the love there right God's showing love but people are kind of against it right God set God tells us um if they slap you on one cheek give the other one how big is that that's legit like that that's like when I tell people like that they pick on like people always stay quiet when I tell them that when I tell people like oh well you know God says to you know if you get smacked give you other cheek like let let people kind of like because that to people is is is like what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04: 57:00

Like why why would I do you know but it's that part of the forgiveness that that we have to go to and we have to we have to listen to but um moving on what what do you guys think is is is is an advice that you guys can give a that we can give a church leader or a church member um to not cause church hurt oof so I will say this uh we as leaders we can't forget that church is a hospital for people for hurt souls like I think is uh in the Bible uh Jesus says like you know that this is for the people who really need it you know this is not for people who's perfect people who have never sinned this is for sinners like we're sinners that that's the reality so like we in a hospital in a hospital you're supposed to heal to the people you know you're supposed to help the people that that they're sick yeah and even the doctors they get sick too so you gotta think of that it's not just oh yeah I'm helping the people but I'm perfect no you you you're imperfect too you know you you do your thing too you know like we all struggle with certain things and another example I have to give to people just for people to think in this sometimes with certain comments what we do is like imagine like um you are building a wall you know for your for your house and you're building a uh uh you put in a lot of effort you put in money you put in all of that and you start building that wall but suddenly that wall starts like laying towards like to a certain like let to a side you know like it's kind of like falling down and you try to fix it you know so it doesn't fall and let's imagine that someone just comes and says oh this thing is about a fall and just push the wall and just makes the fall uh the wall fall to fall yeah you'll be upset you'll be like why are you doing this like you have nothing to do with this why are you doing this so it's the same thing that we do Jesus is the one that is building the wall jesus is the one that is died for this people for the person's like sins you know for the people's sins and this person is someone that Jesus died like to for you know and sometimes we with our comments with something we destroying God's work sometimes better to stay quiet exactly what do you think yeah yeah I agree no um I think um something that I've been reading a lot like literally this like I want to say the last two weeks is Paul in first Corinthians uh chapter 11 he says I boast in only in my weaknesses keep your weaknesses out there yeah like admit your weaknesses whenever you mess up immediately admit it because if you're a leader people are gonna see it people are gonna see it

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:00

And if you don't admit it, if you don't say sorry, it's gonna it's gonna start hurting somebody. Yeah, and also, um, so yeah, it's just boast in your weaknesses, and then also um in 2 Corinthians chapter 1, it says that God is all comfort is the God of all comfort, and he comforts us so that we can comfort others once we're comforted and any affliction. So it's like we have to understand that one exposing our weaknesses, and then two, that once we're comforted in our weaknesses, that we are able to comfort others through their afflictions.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:29

Yeah, that's huge. You want to say something? You gonna say something?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:32

Oh no, it just and and I think one of the best it's examples is always Jesus. Um, when they were about to throw the rocks to that woman who sinned, and she deserved to be uh, I think it's stoned, yeah, right? That's the right word. Um, people that were telling Jesus, like Jesus, we should we should do it, we should apply the law because everybody wants to do that, right? When they see, when they discover someone, when they get someone do it that is doing something, everybody wants to point to that person. Oh no, that's too bad. But sometimes there are things that we do that people don't know, yeah, and because they don't know, so we're right, we're fine, you know. We're not doing anything wrong, that's true, just because they don't know, and that's not the reality. You gotta be honest with yourself and more with Jesus that he knows you and can't be a hypocrite, exactly, and in the end, Jesus was the only person with the right to do it, yeah, and he didn't do it. So, what about you that you're not even in the right close? Exactly, you're not even close to to be yeah, yeah, to point at someone. So, yeah. What do you think?

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:44

I think my advice to leaders would be just stay humble, you know, stay humble, stay friendly, not just because you're in a certain position, like you're untouchable, but you know, uh like always, you know, remember that you're just like anybody else. And I like what Jonathan said, you know, admit your flaws. I when I hear someone do that, it's true. I automatically am like, okay, I'm aware of that now. So I think that that was really great advice.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:08

Yeah. If you're a leader in the church, first of all, fill yourself with the Holy Spirit. Get close to God as close as you can, because you're gonna be sensitive to when someone goes through something hard. I sort of think you have to be sensitive, you have to be empathetic because that person's already he's a common away, like like like like Danny said, they're a comment away from that wall being destroyed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:32

And you can be the reason that you break them and think about how you live with that, right? Because even the person that now breaks them and then realizes because it happens, right? The person that gives the comment, now they become church because they feel that they destroyed that person. They realize, like, oh, I shouldn't have said that. I should have been better. I should have, you know, I I've worked with teens a lot, and sometimes you work with the teens, and it can be stressful with the teens because you're, you know, you it's kind of repetitive with them, you know. But sometimes it has to be like that. And and if you make that one wrong comment, they think that nobody cares about them no more.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:03

So, leaders, you have to be empathetic. Leaders, you have to show love. Leaders, you have to be selfless. You have to put your you have to put others before you. Remember that as a leader, you don't you're not first no more. Yeah, or you're a servant. In the military, there's things, there's this thing that the leaders do, they eat last. There's actually a book called that eaters, eat um leaders eat last. What does that mean? Is that even if there's nothing, I will suffer for the others. I will suffer for my for my sheeps. Let let you know, if if if there's there's food, everybody eats, and if there's nothing left for me, and I'm the leader, I'm the highest ranking person, I won't eat because I want, you know, you're showing that selfless love to the people. And that's as a church, who you have to be. As a church, it's not about you no more, it's not what makes you feel good. You don't have you don't have the answers. Let me say that sometimes. Sometimes we don't have all the answers to everything. We don't. We can give advice, and and that's why I think we have to go to Jesus, go to who Jesus is, because Jesus is the answer, right? Jesus says He, I am the way, the truth, and the life. And there's a reason he says that. He didn't he didn't give directions to what is the way, he is the way. He didn't say, Oh, let me tell you the truth. He says, I am the truth, and he is the life. So for us to live a life um holy and and and um filled of of helping people, not breaking people, is being close to God, right? So I tell people right now that if you're listening, right, and and you're going through that situation where you've been hurt by the church, well, God still wants to heal you. Amen. Right now, God still wants to heal you. And if you're in a situation where you're where you're hurt and you realize that you're about to leave a church, let me tell you, people give up on you. God doesn't. And people unfortunately let's not put our eyes on the people, put your eyes on God and say, Hey, when I came back to the church, that's what it was. Because remember, like you said earlier, right? That shame of the church hurt, it keeps us from coming back. Because especially where you did the damage in a way, like where the problems happened, you know, sometimes it's easier just to walk away and never see it again. But having that strength to come back and face it, it brings such a relief to you, to your life. And and yeah, I don't know. It's just you gotta be like it, it's you gotta be locked in with God. Jesus, put your eyes. I tell myself, listen, I'm coming back and I'm God, I'm putting my eyes on you. And like, you know, there'd be situations where yeah, it's like, you know, things get rocky and you're like, you know, but then you know, you have to remind yourself, okay, why'd you come back in the first place? You came for God. Like you didn't come, you know, when you're in that situation again where you're like thinking about, oh, well, this person that, this person, that no, like you came back. Remember why you came back. We came back for God. Yeah, we came back for him. If you start putting your eyes somewhere else, what's gonna happen? We're gonna, we're gonna fail. Yep. We're gonna fail.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:45

I don't know if anybody wants to add anything else on church anymore, but um, no, I just wanted to add that like also if like an injustice did happen in church, also keep in mind that God fights your battles, and we gotta allow him to um show you the opportunity that he does. Like sometimes things can be unfair, sometimes you don't get a shout-out, a credit, a thank you. But God sees everything. And if you're doing things right, good things are gonna come to you. If someone did you wrong, the consequences will come. You don't have to do anything, all you have to do is let God do his work.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:15

Yeah, if you serve right now, don't don't look for a thank you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:19

Oh yeah, remember when I serve right now, sometimes it's like that, but yeah, but God doesn't forget what God looks at him. And that's what the Bible says.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:27

What better, right? Well the caser, like what what's it worth to get claps from people? It's way better to get blessings from God, and and that should be our motivation.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:36

Well, yeah, he gives the example of the Pharisee that comes in to pray and he says, Look at this Pharisee, he's gonna be praying, he's gonna be praying out loud, saying that he fasts all day, all out loud in front of people. But then you see the tax collector, and in the Jewish community, the tax collector was looked at the as the worst of the worst. But he goes into the corner and prays by himself, and he says, That man is just compared to the Pharisee. Like, yeah, that's exactly what Jesus said. So it's you just keep your path, do it for God, and if anybody, nobody acknowledges you, God will eventually keep going.

SPEAKER_06: 1:07:10

That's fire. That's some fire topic. That's some clip that clip that if you have that. Those are good to keep, man. That's awesome, man. But let's move on. Let's talk about salvation. All right, let's talk about salvation. Let's, you know, I think it's a very topic where it's a very tricky topic sometimes because you know controversial. I think at the end of the day, we all want to go. Where do we want to go? We want to go to heaven. Remember that if you listen to us, we believe that there's heaven and there's hell. But what do you guys think in salvation? Do you guys do you think salvation truly means something more than just believing? Or do you believe you just believe and you're saved?

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:52

I think believing is just the beginning of it. Begin uh like you know, believing in in what Jesus did for you. That He God came down, manifested Himself in the flesh, and died for our sins. That's just the beginning of it. After that, in James, it says, faith without works is dead. If you're not obedient to Jesus' commands, if you're not obedient to following God, your faith is dead. There is there is your your faith with without works. That's what it says. And I attach I attach that to being obedient, following Jesus, his commands. What are his commands? Love your neighbor as yourself and love God with all your strength, all your mind, all your heart. Those are the two commands he says. And he says that all the law is encompassed in those two commandments. So it's like everything that we do has to be with the image of do I love everybody around me? And do am I doing the right thing that God wants me to do? Yeah. I feel like that's the encompass of being saved, not just I believe in God, and then I'm gonna go party, I'm gonna go get drunk, I'm gonna go do drugs, I'm gonna go um have sex with all the women I want, and God is still gonna accept me. No, it doesn't work like that exactly. Um, and I feel like one of the things that that my dad has always said it's if if you think you've been saved, but then you start you backpedal and you've completely fall off the path, were you even saved in the beginning? Yeah, like like were you actually even saved?

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:27

That's deep. Yeah, I I think um with salvation, um it's a complex topic, you know, like it it comes with and it starts with faith. I think that's the first step. But definitely regarding salvation, I think um in the end, it all matters on that, on the true repentance, you know, when your life it it's like you gotta see your life like a before and an after, you know? It's the same Jesus the same way that Jesus died and rose from the dead, yeah. And that like kind of like Mark, like um like a point in human history is the same thing that it needs to happen to you once you repent. And I think that's where it starts uh salvation. When you realize I'm wrong, I need to be saved, I need a savior. Yeah, and would you accept Jesus on that, and you are willing to live the new life, that's where it comes, uh, or where salvation really happens. And it comes with grace, you know. The grace is this is something that we don't deserve. Like we didn't do anything uh to get it. And and this is like like like how salvation comes. Because sometimes we think that salvation comes when I start doing certain acts, you know, when I start doing something, or when I just um simply get baptized. So that's how I instantly I get it, and that's it because I did this. And no, like the thing is that grace it just comes when you accept it, it's a gift. Yeah, so when you accept it and you get it, and you start living the new life under that, and you understand that you get the grace, not because you deserve it, not because what you're doing, because you don't deserve it, you a sinner that you realize that, and that's why you need to be covered. That's where he adds. I think we were talking about it now. Like, it's not a license to sin, it's not like that. It's something that you receive because you know you need it, because you know on your own you can do it, you can obtain it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:38

Something I fight with is uh Romans, right, chapter 10, verse 9 and 10, right? If you declare with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess uh your faith and are saved. This brings me back to those people that's conversation. People ask me, well, what if that person never went to church, never knew about Jesus, but in his last breath, right? Says, confesses that Jesus. It's a tough topic for me because sometimes I think about I'm like, I think it's a part of our human nature. We get kind of jealous in a way because we've given everything to God our whole life, and then this guy lived his life out wherever he wanted, but last second, he does Romans 9, Romans 10, 9 through 10.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:24

I mean, I feel like at the end of the day, like God is the one that judges that. Did he actually mean it? Did he actually repent? Did he actually truly believe? Or did he just say those words just because he heard them and was like, okay, I'm gonna be saved right now because I'm gonna say them? It it truly just depends on God. Um, because when you when you read Romans 12, it says that you can be conformed to the world at the end of the day, you can't live a life that is according to the world, you have to be completely separate, which is what holy means. So if you don't live a holy life, especially knowing about Jesus, like that's that's one thing. Like if you live your whole life not knowing the truth about Jesus, and then one day to another, you learn who Jesus is and then you die, then you'll be judged according to that. But if your whole life you've known about Jesus, your whole life you've known about um what faith in Jesus is, and you live the completely different direction, you'll be judged according to that as well. Yeah. So um, I just feel like in that scenario specifically, it's 100% completely up to God. And if that person truly, truly, truly in their heart repented of everything they did and truly put their faith in Christ.

SPEAKER_06: 1:13:32

The same goal for a person that let's say has lived his life with Christ, but let's say around the 25 years old he had left, and let's say at 31 he was dying, and last second he repents. He knew about it. For the last couple of years, he kind of drifted away.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:47

I feel like that would be the same thing. Like if this person would truly in his last moments repented. Like you have like stories like Steve Dahmer, Steve Dahmer, what's his name? Dahmer, the guy that was a cannibal. Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer. Like, supposedly, this person confessed that Jesus Christ was Lord. Supposedly, um, he he he asked for forgiveness, supposedly he repented. Will we will we truly know? We we're not gonna know until we're in eternity. But if he truly meant it, if he truly, truly um in his heart put his faith in Christ and truly repented and truly actually felt all the burden, all the conviction in his mind, I believe that he's saved. If he truly, truly, like it has to be like in his heart, like felt all the conviction, had all that, I think he's saved.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:37

Yeah, uh, I think I I think I have uh a couple things to say over there. So of course, it it that that verse you say you said will contradict Mark Sitzin, right? That says that and then he told them go into all the world and preach the good news to everyone. Anyone who believes and is bad taste will be saved, but anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. I think what uh really adds in the baptism or in salvation is faith. Okay, anyone who believes is because they have faith, faith, you know. I think that's the most important thing. That's the most uh that I would say that that's the first element you need and you walk with God. You need to have faith in order to believe that there's a God, yeah, you know. But when we go to this, uh I put it in this way, yeah. What if someone gets baptized but doesn't have faith? Will be saved? Yeah, no, I don't think so. I I don't think so either. I don't think so, to be honest, because that's where we're putting salvation or we're giving baptism the power to save, yeah, exactly. And that's not this is pure faith. I think baptism, that pastor here said that this that it's just like a public, a public way to show your faith, exactly, like it's showing to the world, like it's the same thing that when you get you you're married, you get married, you have your ceremony, and you have a ring on you showing everybody, oh, like I I am married, is the same way with baptism. It's a way to show everybody, okay, I believe in Jesus, and the same way that Jesus was uh I don't know how you say it, like uh right now, sepultado. Yeah, resurrected, huh? Resurrected? No, sepultado when he was like like that's the same thing. That the same way you dunked in the water?

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:42

No, no, when when um sepultado is yeah when he died and they put him in the tomb. It's okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:48

The same way that he was like that, and then he rose from the dead. This is the same thing that you do, and you're like being like like you dying to yourself, and then you're resurrecting in a in a yeah. Sorry guys, like you guys listening to this. I'm and I'm doing that wasn't any better, but no, no, no, yeah, no, no, but but but but that's something that that I really like have to say about that. Like, I think it's important and the faith. So you think you you could be saved without being baptized? So, and that's this is the other thing I'm saying, and this is the other thing. Coming to that example about someone that is about to die. I think a good sign for that, I think that's one of the saddest things could ever happen to someone who believes in God, and the person, if it's truly like if it's like being honest about this, uh about that the person wants to repent, I think they in that moment they feel nothing but a lot of like pain and sadness in their heart because they wasted a whole life without Christ. I think that's the best sign. Thinking I'm dying now knowing this, knowing this truth, and I can't believe I wasted my time just doing something else. Like they will realize that the life was a waste of time. I think at that moment, it's that's a true like repentance, you know? Yeah, because sometimes we might think the opposite. Oh, this person like enjoy their life, and just at the very last moment they repent, so they're they're fine, like they're even, like that's and I don't think it's that way. I think they will they would just simply think like my life was the waste of time, and now they're getting to yeah, they missed out on real joy, they missed out on exactly like they didn't do anything for God, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:18:49

And then um in the Bible it says that people are gonna make it into heaven, like escaping a fire, like with nothing. And it's like Paul says that he has his eyes on the rewards that we will receive in in heaven. So it's like us who are Christians and live a Christian life um and are producing fruit for God, we will be rewarded. We will be given something. We will be given something that my dad has said specifically, and it's like I feel like not a lot of people talk about this. We will um we will rule with God. We will rule with God in heaven. God is gonna give us responsibilities, he's gonna give us rewards, he's gonna give us some type of leadership up there. So it's like these people are gonna make it into heaven, but they're gonna barely make it. They're gonna barely make it, they're not gonna have any rewards, they're not gonna have any any any type of of like acknowledgement that like you did good. Like, no, they're just gonna be saved, and then there's gonna be an eternity. I don't know exactly how that's gonna work. But for us believers who live a life in faith, who live a life that's righteous, who live a life that's um according to God's will, we will be rewarded, we will be given um these rewards. Paul says that they're they're a building um compared to our little tent that we have down here. Yeah, they're uh that the rewards we have in heaven are is like a building compared to like whatever we have here. So it's like it's a big, big difference compared to what we have here. So it's like, yeah, I would I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be saved at the last second and then just make it into eternity with nothing.

SPEAKER_06: 1:20:23

Yeah, into the internal time you don't even know if you're gonna make it to the end, right? Exactly. Car accident, instant, you don't you know you know, do you think it's no?

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:28

Oh yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_06: 1:20:29

And I think so like you know, speaking about salvation, it's just so we we're we we we consider ourselves Christians, um, but under Christianity a lot of doctrines fall under under under Christianity. Oh yeah, we're we're we're part of more of Pentecostals wise, right? And there's a lot of people out there that believe, right, that if you're of a different denomination, you will not be saved. Right? What did you guys take on that, right? Because I was told this one day, right? And it was basically it was that we all got to heaven, right? And then somebody said we were all in heaven, and the person said, Shh, be quiet, everybody be quiet. And I'm like, they're like, why? He's like, well, it's because the Pentecostals are over there and they think that they're alone. What do you guys take on that? Sometimes, right? Because I think I think no, I think I think look, I I I've been I see it a lot, right? In in in in with a lot of people, and and a lot and the cases where people believe that sometimes the way we're believing things, only the way we're we're we're doing it, is the only way we're gonna be saved. But there might be people that are Catholic that might be saved. And this is with all respect to other religions. Everybody has their own beliefs in what way, but we have our beliefs, you know, but there's people that believe that Trinitarians will be saved as well. All these people will be saved, right? Do you guys believe that as well that these people will will be saved in in in the in when the time comes?

SPEAKER_01: 1:22:05

I me personally, I think again, it goes back to like if your faith in Christ is is correct, like that Jesus came and he died for your sins, and you know that you yourself can't get into heaven, that you yourself need to repent, that you yourself are a sinner and you truly repent, you live a life that's righteous and in the will of God, I feel like that is the most important thing at the end of the day. Um, whether you're baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, whether you're baptized in the name of Jesus, I feel like at the end of the day, if your faith is rooted in Christ and you live a righteous life, and you live God, you live perfectly in God's will. Not perfectly, but like if you try your best with the help of the Holy Spirit to be sanctified, to to live a righteous life, you will be saved. That's that's what I believe.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:59

Yeah, yeah, I don't want to get in something crazy. No, no, that this is what I what I'm gonna say. I and I support Jonathan, what Jonathan's saying, because in the end, the one who saves is Jesus, it's not the religion. And and I'm telling this to people also from Pentecostals and whoever like stands for their religion, you know, with their church. The church is not gonna save you, the religion is not gonna save you. Just because you're called yourself a Pentecostal, that's not gonna save you. It's sorry, but it's that's the reality. God in heaven is not gonna ask what religion do you belong, so you're gonna be saved. Yeah, he's just gonna ask, like, who believes in him, like who lived for him? That's the reality. The that he died for everyone. We we gotta think of that. He he died for everyone, and he didn't create a religion when he left, he just created church.

SPEAKER_06: 1:24:00

Yeah, religion is a human effort. Oh, yeah, definitely, right? But salvation is God's grace.

SPEAKER_01: 1:24:08

Yes, sir. That's what it is. Jesus hated the religious people the most. Oh, yeah. That's the thing that he struggled with the most.

SPEAKER_06: 1:24:14

You know, but it sucks though, because if you listen to this, you have to be very wise to what they're preaching on your church as well. Yeah. No matter what religion you are, right? Because there's people that they base their religion, their their their they they base what Christ has for us through traditions.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:24:30

And there is no tradition, right? And it says it in Matthew 15, 6, right? You nullified the word of God for the sake of your traditions. So sometimes, sometimes what happens is we turn the gospel into the way we want to see it. The way it makes sense into tradition, the way we lift it up. But the gospel is only one way.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:24:51

Like we read earlier, right? Like we said, it says in Ephesians, um, in Ephesians 2, chapter 2, verse 8 and 9, for it is by grace you have been saved through faith. It is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God. Definitely. Which is huge, right? But I think unfortunately, now there are churches where um they kind of put like like uh barriers, what it means to be saved. When I believe sometimes saved is just like we said earlier, right? If we declare with the mouth that Jesus is Lord and it is where our heart is, that is where that is what salvation is, where your heart is. And we could deceive people, but we can't deceive God. So like in the moment comes and your heart really says, Hey, no, like God, for real, like, and you you have a true repentance, right? It can't just be a repentance like like every day. I feel like like and like I said, salvation, if you live like, well, because some people say, Oh, well, let's just live to the end. No, you don't want to do that because when you receive salvation already, your mind should already be changing. Yep. The way you live, the way you act, that should already be, that should already be turning like you should already be living a different way, not the same exact way you were.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26:01

And that all comes from the Holy Spirit through the sanctification that we will experience for the rest of our lives. Yeah. Um, 100% I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:10

No, and and I wanna say something else to that. The Bible says in Galatians chapter 3, verse, let me see, verse 26, it says, For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus, and all who have been united with Christ in baptism have have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes. And it says, There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. So I think the Bible is always clear about that. Like, there is no difference because sometimes we put and we mark the limits and the difference and everything. And it's like, I mean, the Bible itself said, like, we gotta be one, you know. What I think the true call from Jesus was never to fight to other religions, to be fighting to to see who has the truth. Like Jeff, he said, he's the truth. Yeah, you know. So in the reality, our call from Jesus wasn't to be fighting with them, to be fighting to see who has the truth. They call from Jesus is they go to the world and spread the good news.

SPEAKER_01: 1:27:28

Yeah, and in John, I think John chapter 16, Jesus, Jesus' prayer. He says, I pray that you guys be one. Yeah. One.

SPEAKER_06: 1:27:38

No, that's you. So no, I mean, I I I like you know where we want to to believe what salvation is. Yeah, and if you're out there, salvation is for you. Like if you really think that, oh, God doesn't want me. No, it's for everybody. Yeah, from the worst of the worst. You know, you use the the the the example of Jeffrey Dahmer. It hurts a bit. Yeah, yeah. It hurts a bit. Don't get me wrong, to think of somebody that did that kind of damage and that's huge, right? Your friend that that that that you know that someone murdered her is her sister. Yeah. Murdered her sister, right? Imagine going to the person that murdered your sister and say, hey, I'm sorry. Right? And there's there's cases of that that we see all the time. Like I've seen some some pastors that that that's happened to them and they're like hand in hand now with the person that killed their like that's hard. It's super hard. That's that's that's crazy. But salvation is for everybody.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:32

Definitely, and God sees us in the same, which is crazier that you compare a murderer to a liar, you know, but that's how God's got it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:40

Yeah, there's in Romans it says, I think it's chapter six. Uh the for everybody who sins deserves death. Um, there's a specific word, but every single sinner deserves death. Yeah. There's not a single sin that is like, oh, like this, you just get a spank. No. Every sinner deserves death. The wages of sin is death. Wages of sin is death. There you go. So it's like, it's not just um if you're if you're someone who's who struggles with specifically, like I see this a lot with in the homosexual community and the LGBTQ community and and the transgender community, they have that, they have that big church hurt because people tell them, you don't deserve God. Uh, you have to do this, this, and that, uh, to even get close to God. And it's like, no, the same way that they are struggling with something, you are struggling with something. The same way that that they're struggling with that identity crisis, you're struggling with lust, you're struggling with addiction, you're struggling as a liar. And people don't see lies as a big thing, but it's like, yeah, there's some people who lie psychopathically, like literally, like everything they do is lie. And it's like that lie is just as big as a sin in front of God because we all deserve death. So it's not Jesus came to die for all our sins, past, present, and future. So everybody has access to grace.

SPEAKER_06: 1:30:00

Yeah. And I want to clarify when you say death too, right? In a way, it could be a physical death, but it's also a spiritual death. What is a spiritual death? It means you're separated from God eternally. That's crazy. That's deep, man. And but nah, man. Hey, and listen, when you're saved, disobedience comes with it, man. Definitely. Obedience comes with it. Like, yes, you're saved now. Now you're saved. It's time to act different. If you've been saved and you realize that Jesus is your savior and you're still living the life you were living, you better fix it. Because God is a judge for God. I believe it. And and if when you know the truth, when you truly know the truth, when you truly know, because sometimes people think that no, when you truly know, you know when you know. And you're living that life where, like, you know, they see me in church, but when I get out, no one sees me and sees what I'm doing, and and you're doing things in the dark that you shouldn't be doing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:55

God's gonna correct you, bro. 100%. You know, God is not someone who's gonna leave his children as bastards. Like, he will come and correct you.

SPEAKER_06: 1:31:04

Yeah, and he does give a new heart. He says, Ezekiel 36, chapter 26, 27, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you and cause you to walk in my statues. So he gives when you accept Jesus, he gives you a new heart, he gives you a new a new way of life. So it's not like no, you know, like our pastor said recently in one of the preachers is like we have power over sin now. Oh, yeah. We're we're free from sin. Sin does not control you. Like you can stop using that excuse. I'm addicted. Yeah, I'm addicted to this. I'm a no, stop use you've already beaten that. You're just using it as an excuse to to continue doing it. That's crazy. I don't know if you guys want to add on that, but I I think we, you know, we're kind of clear what you know salvation is for everybody, but your heart's gotta be at the right place.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:51

Yeah, your heart's gotta be at the right place. Repentance. You gotta truly say, hey, I can't do this by myself, and I am a sinner. Yeah. And you go from there.

SPEAKER_06: 1:32:02

Yeah. No, man, that's awesome. I don't know. You want to add anything Danny?

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:06

Um, no, I think I think we're pretty clear. Probably would add this verse, and it's in Hebrews chapter four. This is one of my favorite verses. So then it's the verse 14. So then, since we have a great high priest who has entered in heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us fall, let us hold firmly to what we believe. This high priest, uh, high priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin. So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There will we receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it the most.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:57

Amen. Yeah, that's powerful, bro. I feel like that's something that people struggle to understand is that Jesus lived through all the struggles we went through, every single one, and even worse, like I said, he was betrayed by his own group of people, and then he was murdered for being a perfect man. Yep. And it's like he knows all our struggles and some. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06: 1:33:18

That's amazing. God is good, salvation is beautiful, and it's a gift that we've been given. So I want to ask you guys, man. Man, we're pretty we're pretty in, man. We're I think we're rolling though. This is good, it's interesting. You're locked in so far. It's I want to ask you guys though. Have you guys received your calling?

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:37

I I would say so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:33:39

I believe so. Yeah. I believe you both have. I see ministers in front of me. I'll be honest, that's what I see. I see in front of me. Yeah, I see the same thing. I think we all are, you know, because because Jesus has as in all in in us individually, I think Jesus has done some tremendous things in our lives. And nothing I think could break that, you know. And man, it's just like, you know, sitting here when you when you when you're looking back, you're like, you wouldn't think it. But there's nothing else that that that brings joy to me anymore. I don't know if you guys feel the same way. 100%.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:16

Like um, this past week I didn't do a podcast, and I literally was like, man, like yeah, like I feel like disappointed. Yeah. Um, because I feel like it's just it's it's part of my calling. Like I have to do God's work. I can't be lazy. I have to give my all to God. Like God's will in me needs to be done because one, I love the people around me, and two, I love God. So it's like I have to do his will. And if I'm not doing it, I'm gonna be disappointed in myself. And like I got on last night and I did it, and I felt super excited, I felt super happy, I felt fulfilled. I felt like my purpose is being completed. And there's nothing greater than than feel feeling like your purpose is being fulfilled, like you have that that um if you're out in the world and you know what is feeling, it's that emptiness in you. Yeah, and the only one that can feel that is Jesus, yeah, and He will fill it by giving you purpose. Um, and the only way you're gonna fulfill that purpose is in Jesus. So it's like just doing God's will just brings that immense, immense, immense joy and peace, and knowing that you are doing the right thing for your life. Like this is what you were created for.

SPEAKER_07: 1:35:27

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:29

Yeah, I think um on that, yeah, that joy or that fullness you received through doing that. I must like you can't explain it, you know. I've known so many people, I've met so many people with different uh things they have achieved in their lives, but they're still empty. They still like they're never filled, you know. They never filled with it, and they they still feel like oh, you know, um, I need something else. So if they get money, they need more. If they have influence, they wanna get big they wanna be bigger. So it's like you through God, you know, that just doing his will, that's how you feel, like you're full, that you don't need anything else, and that's what God gives you. God gives like um how can I say like purpose that that like that vision to your life, yeah, you know? So definitely through that, that's how I feel it. That's how I feel like just doing his will when whatever he needs me. And and I gotta be honest, it wasn't like that before, you know. Before I was not always willing to do it, I had my struggles too, and and I think that comes in also the the first question you made. Uh so many people they don't know that in the beginning I didn't want to become something like that. I would like, um if God wants me, wants me for something else, because I'm a musician, I love music, so I would think if God wants me for something else but but music, like I don't know, I'm not down for that, you know. If he wants me to be like my dad, like a pastor, I I think he he he's wrong about me, you know. I would even think I think he's wrong about me if he wants that, you know, like he's wrong, he picked the wrong guy because apparently he doesn't know me because this is not something I want to be, yeah, you know. But little by little, God was working in me, working in me, till uh at a certain point I surrendered surrendered to him. I was like, God, you know, you take control over my life, and whatever you want to, whatever you want me, that's where I'm gonna be.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:43

Yeah, man, it's like sometimes I feel like Jonah for a long period of my life, you know. Ever since being a teenager, you know, you knew I I don't know about you guys, but I just always for me personally, like, and and like I've always hard it's been hard for me to talk about it because like I I hate boasting, like trust me. Like when I talk about myself sometimes I hate it because then people can take it as you're cocky or something or whatnot, you know. But and I always gotten to a point where it's like nah, like, bro, I love Jesus. And I don't care if I'm in a room with one person, like, I don't care if I have to talk to the rocks about Jesus. But it's just it's just that willingness of knowing that like and not only that, is when you when you when you when I've noticed that like listen in my job right now, there's like something going on in there. People are hungry for the word of God. People are hungry for the word of God. I've started a Bible study upstairs um um on Tuesdays, and there's been people that haven't even people that would never even want to hear about God, like they've always denied it, are showing up. Praise God and to tell and to hear from them to say, Jeff, that was really good. I don't take no credit, I give all clarity to all glory to God, but it's a confirmation of like God is like, dude, you need to go talk to people because it works. I'm sure you guys talked about you talk to people about God and P and you and you tend you feel like you're gonna get the the the answer of like oh I don't want to hear about that. I don't but every s I can't think of a person that I've talked to about God that hasn't like you know like there's there's quietness and then there's quiet quietness. Yeah, the people are kind of like oh you know that reverence to like and I'm like and I sit there and I go back my god like part of me I just get like like that that rejoice in my heart because I'm like people want to hear the word of God and why am I why do I keep going around in circles and not trying to do it because I'm shy, because I'm you know that's what it was sometimes. And in in when when when you I think in when you've lived in the in the world, like in it for say when you've left the church, los da pena we get shy because we don't want to take about God, nobody talks about God no more. You're scared, but listen, people are so hungry for the word of God right now, it's not even funny. It's not even funny. And I think, you know, and with with us, I think that you know there there is a calling with with but it's not like what are we gonna do, you know, because it's not just about showing up at church, it's about going out. It's out because listen, if you're already in the church, you're good. It's the ones that are out there that are that are not that have not heard of Jesus. I have a I have a coworker of mine, he's he's like 68 or almost 70, maybe. He's an old guy. And I talked to him the other day, I'm like, I'm like, hey man, what's going on? You know, and we were just talking and and I I bought out I bought out Jesus and he goes, Who's that? What's that? I'm like, what do you mean you never heard about like God or like God or Jesus? Like now. Like I'm like, come on, dude, like really like how you not how have you not heard about have heard about God? He goes, Nah, never. I grew up in a church. My mom never went to church, and my parents never talked about God. I live my whole family never there's people that have not even heard about God yet. Yeah, like there's people that have not heard that hey, you're gonna go through trouble, but guess what? Someone's got your back. People have not heard that, hey, listen, there's a heaven after after after after this death that you that you're done, that you think it's over. There's life. This this this continues, like and sometimes I feel like you know what? Nah, it's not fair for them. And it's not my job to change them, but I could talk to them. You can talk to them, you know? We can talk, talk to them. It's not we're not gonna change them, but we just talk to them, and God does the rest. Fire, bro.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:27

Amen, bro. Like that that's 100%. That's what I feel like that's what I feel like all of us here specifically have that burden of yeah, man. People need to know the truth. Yeah, and I feel like um I've I've always had that burden. Um, but specifically this year, I was like, nah, I'm done. Like I'm done not doing anything about it, I'm done not talking about it, I'm done not doing my part for the kingdom of God. And you know, if if it it says in James that if you know if that you shouldn't just be consuming the word and not doing anything with it, and if you know what's the good thing to do and don't do it, it is considered sin. Yeah, and like we know, we know the good thing to do is love everybody, and what's the best way to love everybody by showing them the truth. And it's like if you're not doing that and you are a son of God, or you're a daughter of God, and you are filled with the Holy Spirit, and you're not talking to people about God about God, you're not producing fruit. And what happens when you don't produce fruit? You're cut off from the branch and you're thrown into the fire. Wither off.

SPEAKER_06: 1:42:34

That's fire, man. Nah, man. Hey, nah, man, that's awesome, man. And uh, and it's it's awesome that we stay in that same sentir.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:43

Yes, yes, definitely. Yeah, like this path the last weekend. Literally, that's what everybody was talking about. Oh, yeah. My dad, you talked about it with Lewis the three days, yeah. Three literally Friday, you talked about it with Lewis about revival and and waking up like to being like, I need to do something. Yeah, yeah. And then I spoke about it on Saturday about how we can't be ashamed of the gospel and showing love to everybody and talking to them about the truth. And then my dad talked about our weaknesses and how we're able to defeat what's stopping us from doing that on Saturday. Yeah, and it's like three days in a row, the church got that, and it's like that's God speaking to us like, hey, wake up! Like, you guys need to put in the work. Like, my people need to hear the gospel, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:26

Man, and and and it's beautiful because, like we said at the at the very beginning, um, when you have God as part of your relationship, you put yourself in God's hand every day, you never know like when you can be useful, you know, and and that's the beauty on that. That is not you, it's God in you, yeah. You know, sometimes you think you you gotta be specialized, you know, you gotta have sort of a degree in church in order to to preach, in order to say a word, and it's not on that. I think um it the most important thing um regarding or giving uh a message from God, it's having God in it. Yeah, you can have the best speech in the world. You can have and actually, and and this is sort of like a little testimony because I was talking today uh to my fiance. I was just walking on the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. That's a power fiance. Powerful words, you know, like, yeah, bro, it's crazy. But uh, we were talking, and we were talking about something because she works uh with families and risk and they're having certain kind of problems. And that one of the things is that she's restricted about saying or talking about her faith. She she can't because it's kind of like broke the code they have or whatever. Something that she can use is that if they mention something about God, so she can use that, and sometimes she ends up talking, but she can't even invite people to our church. It it is crazy because yeah, it's very restricted. So she was talking to me about like how do I approach to that, or or how do I tell someone we were talking about something like that, someone that is about to give up. So I was telling telling her, I think in the end, the most important thing it's that you need to have God those words. It doesn't matter how specialized it is, if it's someone about to give up, don't think about just like how can I make these people to not give up. Just when whenever someone is telling me something, I like to pray in the moment where the person is telling me like God, give me the right words, give like like mm maybe you speaking through me, not me. I don't want to say anything. And and sometimes we tend to think if you uh have the the best like like words and you have the best sentences, the best structure, that definitely is gonna touch the people instead of just you saying something. But the reality is you can say a lot of things, but it got if God is not in it, it's not gonna be helpful, it's not gonna change anyone's life. The one who changes life is Jesus. And I was telling her that when literally on the street I saw someone who was walking crying, and I was like, and I was telling her, like, sometimes just three words can change someone's life if Jesus is in it. Yeah, and I remember I saw her and I just kept walking, and that's where Jesus was acting. That go talk to her, like go say something, yeah, bro. I was like, should I like oh man, like yeah, yeah, yeah, you get trying, like it is like we gotta be serious. Like that it's not normal, like you see someone crying and you just interrupt the person, but that was Jesus, you know, pushing, pushing. I was like, and I was coming back, and I was like, I was I was telling her, Jesus, help me. And she was like, What's going on? I was like, Jesus, help me, because we're literally talking about that. And I just asked the person, oh, excuse me, like is something wrong. And the person was closed, they was like, Everything's fine. Are you sure? And the person was like, Yeah, everything's fine. I just told the person, Jesus loves you, and I just left. And I told her, You never know with those words what you can do. That's it. Because it's not on you, it's not what you say, but it's Jesus in it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:36

The name of Jesus is above all names. Definitely, he has been given power over everything on heaven and on earth, that name specifically. Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:45

It's not just speech that changes the life. That you gotta be honest with yourself. Like, I think we all of us we have experiences preaching, and probably we have people saying, Oh, that that thing that you said, it touched my life, but we gotta be aware that and and careful, yeah. I hate it sometimes because I'm like, Because part of you wants to like it's not post, but yeah, that's what Paul says, like you know, but you gotta be honest with dude that is not you, it's Jesus. Like, who am I, bro? No, nothing, like, and even me, for example, right now, like I'm speaking English, like it, yeah, I speak Spanish, like that's my first language. I I I kind of like try in English, and sometimes I've said certain things in English that I know that is not me, bro. That I know when I've preaching English, you guys know, like like sometimes you guys are like, oh Danny, like that's crazy the way, yeah, despite my mistakes and everything. But it's like, yo, what you said, like it was so clear, I got it so clear, and I know that it's not me. It's God through me. I'm just a vessel, and that's who we are.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:55

That's what it is. Jesus says, God doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:01

Oh, yeah. Soof. It's not about a platform, it's not about uh I have this many followers, it's not about I have this, this, and that. No, it's it's just Jesus. And in the Bible, it says that if one person repents, there is literally there's joy in heaven. Oh, yeah, one person, there's more joy, there's joy in heaven. So it's like if your word affects one person, that's that's all that matters.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:26

But yeah, nah, man, that's awesome, man. I but we could we could be here all day if we could be here all night, we could be here all night, man. But nah, man, we were gonna get into like I won't we were gonna talk about angelical beings and this, but this is like the spiritual realm, which is huge. But I'm not gonna go through that. We I think we can save that for the next episode. I think this has to happen again, I'll be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:47

Yeah, I'm down. Because the spiritual realm, that is that's that's big.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:50

There's so much stuff there that we can talk about fire. But I want to ask you guys a quick question, right? This is gonna be a rapid fire segment. I'll ask the question to all you guys. You just answer it quick. Whatever first thing comes in your head, just it's one answer, and and and it's I want to hear about it, right? We'll start off easy, right? What's what's your favorite worship song out right now? What do you guys what's your favorite song right now? We'll start with Jonathan.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:11

Um, dang, the name just left me. All the not your favorite, bro. Nah, literally, it just blanked. Yeah. Uh, what a god, that one. Oh, what a god. What a god has I know it's super overplayed, but man, that song is different. It's different. Yeah, like it's just literally like it makes it puts into perspective. Like, if you say, like, what does it say? It says, if I hear one word from you, I've heard it all. Like, that's crazy. If if if like you put it puts into perspective, like how much, like how big and powerful our God is. Is like all we need, yeah, is to be in his presence. What a god. And that's all we need, that's all we require. So it's like, I don't know. I put that song in every single time without fail chills. Like, I just get chills, and I just I have to break down.

SPEAKER_06: 1:51:00

It's the perfect go-to. What about you, Danny?

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:03

Bro, I have a bunch.

SPEAKER_06: 1:51:05

Now, one song that's like your one worship song right now. That's like, this is my song. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:11

I've been listening a little lot to uh this is Spanish, Marcos Vidal. Oh, okay. That song specifically talks about how we are like, you know, like how we use Jesus as our anchor, you know, that we locked in with him, and it doesn't matter what happens in the outside. And that's the thing. Like, one of the things is that I found uh uh the purpose in my life, and I don't care about anything else but his purpose. And from here, I'm not moving, I'm staying here, I'm grounded here. So I love that song.

SPEAKER_06: 1:51:50

What about you, babe?

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:52

Um, well, my favorite artist is Averly Morillo. I love all her songs. I recommend you listen to them. But my also my favorite right now is the Spanish song. I don't know the name of it, I just know it goes like grandes cosas vienen ya, como grandes cosas dos ar habla en su pueblo. Um I feel like that song hypes me because it's like after you've gone through the storm, like big big things are coming. And I don't know, it just fills me with hope, and I just love that sending that song.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:21

All right, next question. What's what about you?

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:24

Yeah, you're always bro.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:28

You know what's weird? All right, it's it's an old song, but they've they've done it into like a blues cover. Um it goes. You know what song is all about?

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:42

No, bro. No, bro.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:44

Sing the whole thing. I'm not gonna say that. It's called, but it's called by Perejino Sol. So it's like these old, it's like these old coritos, but they've they've done it into like jazz blues.

SPEAKER_05: 1:52:54

He loves those coritos.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:56

It's I hear it. It's really good. That's that's my first song right now. That's cool. That's cool. You know, sometimes you know what you think about you know what you know why? Because sometimes you grew up with your parents listening to those. Oh, yeah. So now you get older and you're like, why are you listening to TikTok? But now you're like, it just takes you back to the old.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:14

Yeah, I you I I used to complain about that. Now I pray with those songs, you know.

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:19

All right, well, I have another question. What's what's what's one misconception about Christianity?

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:26

I have one before someone takes it take it away from me. I think is that you have to change in order to get the letter to be in salvation, yeah, or to get closer to Jesus. And it's the opposite. You get to Jesus, and then Jesus changes it, changes you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:46

I agree. I feel like that's probably the biggest one. Yeah, um, and then the whole like for me, I feel like people think that church is judgmental. Yeah, um, I mean, it does happen, people are very judgmental, but the church is not supposed to be judgmental, it's not supposed to condemn people. Um, you can call out a brother and sister in your in your faith, yeah, but those out in the world, we're not meant to judge them because they don't know what's right or wrong, they don't even know the truth yet. Uh, so I feel like that's that's a big one.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:13

What about you?

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:14

Um, that things are gonna get better just because you're getting closer to God with. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:18

Hey, I think Jesus says it, you guys are going to suffer. Yeah, that's a good one. But I will be there.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:25

I think another one for me would be um like a misconception about Christianity. Like, do you have to go to church or not? I think you have to go. Uh yeah. You have to be you have to be connected to a spiritual family, no matter where it is, but you have to be, you can't follow you, you just follow God, but I don't know, man. I for me it would be hard. You have to go, you have to find a local church or something and go to a church.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:48

You you have to be fed by a spiritual leader at the end of the day. That's why like God created the church uh for us too, for us to like have people to connect with, for us to be able to build up our faith with those around us. Like you can feed yourself and you can have your own relationship with God, but what happens when you struggle?

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:05

And to serve them too, like exactly.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:08

All right, these are rapid fire questions. Okay, worshiping loud or worshiping quiet?

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:14

Either or I think worshiping specifically, either or yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:17

Okay, either or uh you guys know me. I like you know I like to be loud, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:21

No, either or what about you? Worship loud or lower. Me specifically, I'm not a I'm not a loud worshipper. I feel like I I'm more in like like for myself. I'm like like I I am loud.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:33

Intimate. I I'm more intimate. Yeah, I'm both.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:35

I like I like the loudness.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:37

I like loud in the car.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:38

Until it gets getting crazy, right? Then we gotta turn it down, then we gotta turn it down a notch.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:46

That's where you gotta stop with trencito.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:48

All right, one more. What's a church culture trend that needs to end? I'll start it, bro. Celebrity pastors, man. That's what's gonna go, man. There's you know, pastors, they're just pastors, man. And I fell into that when I was seeing Steven Furtig, man, because I was so happy to see him. But I'm like, what, bro? I'm like, hold on, no, what? No, bro. Like, this whole thing there's a trend about it, though. So many churches now, these pastors that are so, you know, I think that's a trend that's gotta kinda kinda go. Like they gotta you gotta belittle yourself a little bit, like humble yourself, and and because I think they're gonna be judged the hardest. So that's that's mine though. What about you guys?

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:26

That's actually a deep question, bro. That's not a rapid loop, bro. I'm trying to think. What should I say? No, that's that's yeah. I I think one of the the the trends maybe in the in the right now in the modern church that I've seen a lot, it's a lot of shows when it's regarding worship. Like all these artists, I see more than a moment to worship God, I see like a show, you know, they create something, so they think more of the show, they think more everything goes well in the show, but the most important thing is Jesus. And we go, for example, like the Latin Grammys, the Grammys and all of that. You see these people, they've thinking about performing, they're thinking about choreography, all of that. And it's like, bro, what about Jesus? Like, you know, that's that's what we do, okay, and that's our goal. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:18

All right. What about you? What do you got? Yeah, I'm struggling with this one. I don't know. Like, I don't know what clicks fall under that.

unknown: 1:57:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:30

I mean, I don't know, could it? Clicks?

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:33

Are like when it comes to trends, are you talking about like as a whole, like the church community, and like um in the world that what we see or the culture, which in the church, right?

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:45

There's certain things that I think churches are doing that they shouldn't be doing that it's a little bit too much, and it's kind of like how do you what what what would change?

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:53

What trend that they have that I feel like uh when you bring it back to like the celebrity pastors, um you see a lot of preachings that don't center themselves in the word of God, and it's more emotional than anything else. So it's like if if you're listening to a preach and this person doesn't read a one Bible verse, yeah, or if this person um doesn't center around Jesus, you should question yourself is this person actually speaking for Jesus? Yeah. Um one of the things that I always always try to do, um, and I I learned this from my dad, all of my preachings, all of my podcasts have multiple verses backing it up because at the end of the day, the Bible is God's word, it's God speaking. So if if you're listening to an hour-long preach and they only use one verse, it's like hey, uh what where is that coming from? And like, yeah, they can give many examples, but it's like, is it rooted to the Bible? Is it attaching to the Bible? Is it contemplating the Bible? Um, I feel like that's a big one. Because I feel like I've I've heard a lot of preachers where I'm just like, where's where's where's the Bible? Yeah, like like I need you to give me Bible for yourself. A lot of prosperity, a lot of yeah, it's a prosperity or just emotions.

SPEAKER_06: 1:59:07

Yeah, yeah. Awesome. You have anything? No. Cool. No, I mean, guys, I think we could wrap it up here, and I want to thank you both for coming on. I I mean, I hope it's not the last one. I think we still have a lot we can go into and and talk about, but but yeah, I leave the floor to you guys. What I don't know, give the word of encouragement to the people, whatever you want to say. I know Jonathan, you have your podcast going on, you know, feel promote that, bro. And you know, guys, listening to him and and yeah, take these couple seconds for whatever you guys want to do, tell the people.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:38

Um sure. Uh I have a podcast called Faith Over Fear Uh Ministries. You can find me on YouTube, uh, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music. Um, I drop every Friday at 12 p.m. Eastern Time. Um, and you know, it's it's not I don't have anybody else on there. It's just basically just me giving. uh some word uh giving a preach and the best advice i can give is get close to god um and your and your deepest moments of sadness or grief or depression or anxiety um and your in your deepest moments of of any type of hurt or pain that you're going through the only one that will be there for you truly and the one that will always be able to understand exactly what you're going through is Jesus your partner isn't gonna fully understand you your wife your husband your parents uh your pastor isn't gonna fully be able to understand you the only one that will be able to understand you is Jesus and you have to give it to him because if you don't give it to him you try to do things by yourself you try to do things in your own strength you try to do things with your own wisdom your own intelligence and guess what it's not gonna work you're going to fail if you don't have Jesus at the center and you have your focus on Jesus what happened to Peter when he started walking on water he started looking at his surroundings and he got scared and he started to drown and then what did Jesus tell him oh you of little faith why didn't you believe just why didn't you just look at me just yeah look at Jesus and everything will be fine.

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:11

Yeah awesome bro so no yeah I mean um I have my Instagram I think so like you guys can follow me Daniel um prc98 um yeah I I I'm thinking I've been thinking a lot about uploading more stuff regarding worship they have like kind of like some experience so I would like to share that so I'm definitely thinking on doing some stuff over there so you guys say seven cositas. But I think one of the most important things about about what we've been talking I think yeah like maybe you have been thinking of how to get how to be closer to God you know how do I grow up spiritually talking and I think if you got to this point in the podcast you are in the right path I think because that that means that you're thirsty for God and that's the most important thing you know like just like like like doing things to be closer to him like like having that prayer those prayer moments having those moments to read the word taking the time to hear about Jesus I think um that that's the most important thing if you don't fill yourself with God something else is gonna fill your heart so yeah think on that and yeah thank you definitely Jeff and Alison for this opportunity to be honest I've been looking looking forward to this a long time ago like I love uh Jeff's Jeff's World podcast it really helped me out when it was happening I was not here in the country and I think that it would be something else but and I was going through certain moments and definitely it helped me out so it feels like unreal to be here.

SPEAKER_06: 2:03:08

That's awesome bro no we're happy to have you babe anything last words uh yeah same as Danny uh the Bible says that the wise to seek wisdom and I think if you're listening to this podcast and that's what you're doing um continue to listen to different podcasts and you know um receiving different words from God so that you can continue to uh grow in that faith and I appreciate you listening up until now and yeah and yeah look forward to more conversations with you guys so thank you Jonathan Danny for yeah Jonathan Danny guys I'm I'm extremely grateful um you know I backed myself up with you guys' words guys this this walk ain't easy you're listening it could be so hard so many things could happen but when you're with God I hate to tell you you're gonna be okay death oh my god death is coming as long as you got Jesus okay guess what then I beat the race I got there before you but I'm thankful for all you guys all listening don't forget to share subscribe um on Jeff's world's podcast go ahead bro I have something to say everything is coming from the audience is this season two of Jeff's World Podcast and are we waiting for more are you like hoping or I don't know are we planning more episodes listen we're locked in with God whatever God leads us to you know I got a Bible study on Tuesdays and if you want to know about it reach out to me um you know that's where it's going and then this I don't know I don't know where this is going is it gonna be more is not gonna be more but guess what when there is come just know that it's straight from the Lord and that's that he's the one that allowed it to happen so thank you all I appreciate everybody Jonathan Danny thank you guys so much you guys are amazing great episode guys share subscribe with everybody on IG you find me on Apple Music on Spotify on YouTube um feel free to share guys thank you all