People at the Core
From The Greenpoint Palace bar in Brooklyn, New York writers and bartenders, Rita and Marisa, have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar.
People at the Core
Board Stiff: JD on Skateboarding and the Art of Falling Without Breaking
"I had a fucking panic attack because I was so excited," JD recalls of his first trip to a real skate shop as a child growing up in rural Pennsylvania. This moment marks the beginning of a lifelong love affair with skateboarding that would eventually bring him to Brooklyn, where he now tends bar at Greenpoint Palace.
Far from the stereotype of skaters learning from communities in urban environments, JD's story begins in isolation—no sidewalks, no mentors, just VHS tapes he'd repeatedly pause and play to study techniques. There's something beautifully pure about his dedication, teaching himself with makeshift equipment his dad built from "fucked up trash shit." This self-reliance shaped not just his skating style but his entire philosophy around the activity.
When hosts Rita and Marisa probe whether skateboarding should be considered a sport, art, or something else entirely, JD offers a more nuanced take: "It's more like a relationship with this wooden toy. Sometimes you're like 'this thing is—I'm so glad it's in my life,' and sometimes you're like 'God damn it, I hate my skateboard today.'" The conversation expands beyond skateboarding to explore how our passions evolve as our bodies age, the challenge of monetizing what we love without corrupting it, and the surprising observations JD made while teaching skateboarding to children.
Throughout the episode, JD's authenticity shines—whether discussing his ambivalence about profit from skateboarding, his growing interest in surfing as a gentler alternative to concrete impacts, or his sincere approach to apologizing when he's wrong. His story reminds us that our most meaningful pursuits aren't just hobbies but complex relationships that shape who we become.
Listen to discover how a kid with a VHS player and a dream built a life around his wooden toy, and what lessons his journey might hold for your own relationship with the things you love most.
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From the Greenpoint Palace Bar in Brooklyn, new York, writers and bartenders Rita and Marissa have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar. This is People at the Core.
Speaker 2:Wait, hold on Ready. Are you ready, Freddie?
Speaker 3:Are you recording? I am recording.
Speaker 2:Hello so what are these red lights that you're freaking out about? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I can see it in the mirror and it's like it's this murder, murder, mary, red light thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bloody mary, bloody, mary, okay um.
Speaker 3:So our guest today. Can I just say that? Um, marissa, thought you were from delaware.
Speaker 2:Well, because your instagram says delaware it's delaware, county pennsylvania and then I had all these questions about delaware.
Speaker 4:I can probably answer some of them.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I forget. Delaware is a state. It's the first state and it is the first state, isn't it? I forget about Delaware as a state and my only fact about Delaware is Joe Biden had a house there and I feel like driving outside of New York, we pass by the Delaware water gap.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's it.
Speaker 4:That's in Jersey.
Speaker 3:Very confusing right, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4:But you're not from Delaware. Maybe the Delaware Water Gap is bigger than just Jersey, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean Jersey kind of goes that way Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's what I told her.
Speaker 3:Okay, so Marissa always does the introductions, but I'm going to do the introduction today. We didn't turn our phones off yet. Oh, it doesn't matter, I'm just kind of excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean like if somebody calls you.
Speaker 3:Oh right, no, I'm silent, I'm good. Okay, I'm going to do the introduction today, because you always do. But I get to. This is John Devine. He's not from Delaware, he's from Pennsylvania. I know that he's from Pennsylvania. I know that, uh, we call him JD. Uh, he works here at the palace, at the bar that I own, and I'm not allowed to have favorites, but he is one of my all-time favorites and I tell you that all the time.
Speaker 2:I literally say don't tell anyone, but you're my favorite and I've and that's the truth bothering JD for a year to have a sit down on the pod, so I finally broke him.
Speaker 4:I'm here, yeah, you're here, this is weird, I've never done a podcast before.
Speaker 3:Oh, you've never done one before. No, never. I think you're doing great, all we're doing is having a chat.
Speaker 2:And yeah, obviously I thought you were from Delaware, so we're going to start there.
Speaker 3:Everyone does yeah so we're gonna start there so you're, everyone does.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so is it why? Why do they think that because of your hand? Because I'm from, I'm from like a part of pennsylvania that's very close to delaware, like people just drive over the border to get like shit, it's not. It's like tax-free there, so gotcha it's tax-free in delaware.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no sales tax in delaware. Oh, there's not. What's the hustle? What? What should? It's just like tax ev Delaware, oh there's not. Yeah, what's the hustle. What should we check up on? It's just like tax evasion, Like every like credit card bank is like there.
Speaker 4:Oh snap, just like registering your car in Pennsylvania opposed to New York, kind of yeah Like same stuff or like if you like, if you want to buy like a big away, like we'll just drive to Delaware.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't have a car, but maybe we just like get a list, Isn't?
Speaker 4:Florida like that too. I feel, yeah, there's other places like it. Yeah, I don't know, nevada doesn't have income tax.
Speaker 2:There's like Nevada, florida and Texas. There's like income tax-wise.
Speaker 3:That sounds crazy, right, yeah, those Like all the places that you'd never.
Speaker 4:Well, if you want to do something sketchy, like I'm sure that's like the place to do it, I think that's where most people do their sketchy shit Right.
Speaker 2:I mean Delaware hasn't been flagged on the national level.
Speaker 3:I think it's like you didn't even know Delaware was a state. I knew it was a state, I just forget about it.
Speaker 2:I also forget about Maryland. I remember Baltimore the wire right but I forget about Maryland as the state. Yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 4:Baltimore just exists on its own. On its own, I guess, from just being like down there, I'm like, yeah, I'm like I like all those places, but yeah, pennsylvania is home though.
Speaker 3:Yeah all right and your family still lives there, right? Mom's still there, still there.
Speaker 4:How often you go back to visit like never, never. Yeah, I went back recently for a wedding.
Speaker 3:That's about it though.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3:I thought you were just back there recently. How long have you been in New York for?
Speaker 4:I think I moved here in 20, shit, 2018, maybe Okay.
Speaker 1:Maybe earlier than that.
Speaker 2:I can't remember. I'm so bad with like time stuff Me too, so I'm so bad with like time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, me too. So what brought you?
Speaker 2:here Love, sex, drugs, rock and roll.
Speaker 4:I was working, I was like kind of like just doing like shop help at a tattoo shop and I met this girl from Bayside, queens, and I was like oh you're cool, like I'll move up here. Right on and we dated for like three years oh okay.
Speaker 2:And then yeah, I thought you were going to say like three months, and then you know the season passed. No, it was three years, I think.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you moved for love. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's what brought me here, yeah.
Speaker 2:I hated it at first too, which is crazy Did you, you hated New York right now like I want a sandwich, a pack of cigarettes, and I don't want to drive a car.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm, it's awesome.
Speaker 2:My checklist is not the same but, yes, like I hated it when I moved here and I'm like I fucking chose it and I'm like everything takes so much work but is also so easy at the same time and it just it took me a good six months to like figure out the hustle. And once you figure out the hustle when to go, when to do things, how to do things that doesn't take so long, because I came from car culture, where you drive places and.
Speaker 2:I hate that, but at the same time I don't know how to do it otherwise and once you figure out no, you don't go to Trader Joe's at Friday at 5pm. No, you don't you go at Monday at 2pmm with a backpack and you plop the shit out and you strategize.
Speaker 3:I haven't driven a car in 11 years. I can't remember the last time I drove a car.
Speaker 4:Yeah, me too I can still do it for sure but, it's just so funny being driven around.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 4:This is so not me.
Speaker 2:I know, so like not me, I know, but I kind of love it, I'm into it now?
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly nothing. Nothing's my fault.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly, and it's like less stress, I mean I don't know. But you know, I had a similar thing like when I first moved here. I was like staying at my friend's house in bushwick, like on their couch. You know, I just moved with one suitcase and just came here and stayed on the couch and it was in bushwick and I was like I have made a horrible decision this is awful it was really scary and I just didn't like where I was and the situation.
Speaker 3:And then, funny enough, I came to greenpoint and I was like, oh, there's all these people my age, yeah that do the same things that I do, and I just kind of got settled and now I can't imagine living anywhere else.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's so convenient.
Speaker 3:But it takes a minute to acclimate, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It is a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when Ken and I moved here, we stayed with lovely friends who were from the Bay Area, who had been living here in New York, and they let us crash at their apartment and our couch bed touched their bed in their studio apartment and we got to use the shared bathroom that they shared with their other neighbors down the hall. Um, and I'm like, I don't know if this, this is not the dream um yeah, exactly yeah, but here we are definitely not pretty at first, but yeah, we're, we're I think I think I'm chilling right now.
Speaker 3:I don't know yeah, you got a chill vibe yeah yeah, I think you're doing great yeah um, so, oh, jd, I just love you so much. I just want to like, look at you and hang out, that's how much I, that's how much I love this guy. Um, but well, let's talk a little bit about what you do, skateboarding. Um, I know it's a lot of like, I'm just gonna throw questions at you okay, but yeah so you've been doing that like for how long?
Speaker 4:your whole life basically right.
Speaker 2:I was like six or seven yeah, who taught you? How did you get into that there?
Speaker 4:I was like in complete isolation.
Speaker 2:I would like were you like, I would be like Pennsylvania no, it was like, definitely like a little more rural than normal, there's like no sidewalks anywhere and like I, there's no, no one skateboarded.
Speaker 4:So I like begged my parents for one and like they got me like a shitty one from like toys r us or whatever, and then like broke that one, and then they finally like reluctantly, I think like my dad took me to a skate shop and I had a fucking panic attack because I was so excited.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was crazy. That's like six, seven, just like yeah you know like tweaking out at the skate shop it was called Bored Stiff.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's what it was called Bored Stiff. What are you talking about? I love it. Media.
Speaker 4:Pennsylvania. It was so funny. But yeah, that was like that was the first one. I was like, all right, and then I would like watch like VHS. Like I had to beg for the VHS tape too. And I would like watch like VHS. Like I had to beg for the VHS tape too.
Speaker 4:I got like a four-on-one video magazine, it's like a family video or blockbuster, or did you like nah you got to go to the skate shop for that or you have to like subscribe to it, which probably was like way too much money at that point. But uh, I would like pause it and press play and pause it and press it, and that's how I like figured out like where to put your feet and like stuff like that. And yeah, it was weird. Can you picture him? And like a little family, I can and I love it.
Speaker 2:That's so adorable. I had to.
Speaker 4:You got to. Yeah, you had to be resilient. There's no internet.
Speaker 3:Yeah right.
Speaker 4:So I was like I, that I could have talked to and been like yo. So, like, how do you get it off the ground?
Speaker 3:but you were just by yourself, so you were just like lone wolf style yeah, yeah there was no one else skating with you, or oh my god, I want to make them.
Speaker 4:I think my dad was like super bummed on it because he was like big soccer guy, yeah, and like eventually, like once, like my parents started to like separate, like he would be like I mean, I'll build you, I'll bid you a ramp, you know did he build you a ramp?
Speaker 4:not really like built me this, like fucked up rail and it was like. Also, I think he like found some shit in the trash and was like that looks like someone's capable just like no, for sure, supporting, like for sure, okay, yeah, it's jam and he, I just like skated, a bunch of like fucked up trash shit growing up, which is like awesome I'm like so glad, so you were parkour way before it was parkour yeah.
Speaker 4:Like yeah, sketchy shit, he doesn't fucking work really like. You can't really grind it, you can slide it though. So I'm like cool, all right, I'm skating this weird shitty pvc pipe that's drilled into like a two by four yeah, I was just that was my reality at the time.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, which probably I mean I would imagine yeah, I was just gonna say like makes you like a better skater, because you're just maybe I don't kind of yeah, well, I mean it's just like you know, makeshift shit, right.
Speaker 3:But it's funny when you bring up the skate videos thing that just reminded me so much of when I was like 18, 19 years old, like moved out for the first time, you know like, well, not for the first time, but you know, lived in Minneapolis and I just remember ordering like there are these like skateboarders from Gary, indiana, that lived upstairs from my friends and they were just like cutest things ever.
Speaker 3:But so I would order the videos like CKY videos and Thrasher videos and then like, just sit outside and smoke cigarettes and be like hey dudes, I got the new video, if you want to come over, and that was like I was such a Betty in that sense. I just wanted to like lure them into the apartment to hang out, but I ended up watching so many skate videos because of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and ordering them. They're pretty entertaining. They're great. Are you kidding?
Speaker 3:And then, helping them make them too, which was really fun yeah.
Speaker 2:The actual, like camcorders, like holding them down, like borrowing equipment from high school, like I had a bunch of friends who were in communications and com who would borrow the camcorders and film each other and stuff. We'd go down to the local park. I was such a poser. There were all my friends and not my boyfriends.
Speaker 1:You're a Betty, I was a.
Speaker 2:Betty. I had one day where I was like, all right, I'm going to learn to ollie and you guys help me, will you guys help me with this? And we're like using a brick wall just to like balance, and then I fucking knocked it out and it shot and hit my friend in the face, in the eye, and then that was the end of my lessons.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's pretty difficult. It is pretty difficult. It's all just like it's like 99.9 percent like rejection, which is like weird to think about yeah, I was like really bad in pain I was like fuck, I like really like this one thing yeah so it's like kind of weird to like get over that and be like all right but this isn't gonna work out for a long time.
Speaker 2:yeah, it's scary, but it's scary and I mean I have friends who shot out shin bones, another kid growing up famous to this day, one testicle, like all of these things, like actual, and you're like rogue and there's not like coaches and an EMT team on the side like in a structured game.
Speaker 3:You guys are out on the streets and seriously hurting yourselves, but I mean, but I mean, this is a career also, though I mean you've been doing this since you were six like, yeah, I like never made any money from skateboarding no like I, like my boards sold well because of um the scarcity of lumber during the uh, during covid oh, wow yeah, so like my, the the board brand that I rode for it's called dead on arrival.
Speaker 4:It was based out of long island. Dead on arrival is actually a podcast now it's called dead air radio okay, um right now.
Speaker 4:It's actually pretty cool steve and mitch are. But yeah, like it kind of fell into this like weird time frame where like no one could get boards made because like they were like chaining the factories in Mexico. Like they were chaining, they were like locking the doors and we had like a bunch of boards ready to go. I guess I mean, at least that's what I heard but yeah, like oddly enough, like yeah, like my boards were like I mean everyone's boards at that time who had wood people bought.
Speaker 4:So like that was like the most royalties like I've ever made, really.
Speaker 3:But you did get royalties from it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, that's good, that's sick made really, but you did get royalties from it. Yeah, oh, that's good. Yeah, I don't know the actual rate, like per board or I don't know, but like every season, like Steve would, I would just get like a random Venmo and I'm like, oh cool, but like I almost like didn't want to touch it, I was like I'd never want to make. I have one check for 150 dollars from like emceeing a skateboard contest that it's on my wall and I don't think I I can't remember if I cashed it or not, but like maybe I mobily deposited but I like have it but I'm like this is so funny.
Speaker 4:This is $150 from skateboarding. I always wanted to keep it like separate.
Speaker 2:I never wanted to like take from it right so it was like we, yeah it.
Speaker 4:it felt crazy to like profit off of something that, like I love so much, you know, but Not that I really profited, though.
Speaker 2:Right, you're willing to work your labor, doing things but not your love, can't make money.
Speaker 4:I mean, I just always wanted it to be like fun and not a job. Yeah, which it never really was a job which is great, and it was like such a like low-risk thing. It's like a smaller brand and like it's just like hooking up your homie and being like, oh dude, like I put your name on a skateboard and I was like holy, they surprised me at Nightshade in like 2020. I Like holy, they surprised me at Nightshade in like 2020. I think, like everyone got COVID, it was like February 2020.
Speaker 3:Oh no.
Speaker 4:We all just got back from like this, like Tampa contest I didn't skate in.
Speaker 1:I was there just to like hang out with people.
Speaker 4:It was like a Nike Converse thing and I think we all got COVID, but didn't know Right.
Speaker 3:At that time I walked in a nightshade and like there was a board with my name on it. Oh wow, it was cool. Yeah, that is cool, it was sick yeah, it was.
Speaker 4:It came at a good time, but yeah, like I don't know, I making money is awesome, don't get me wrong but yeah, I was like, like it never got like, I never made like shit loads though.
Speaker 3:It was just like whatever.
Speaker 4:It was cool though.
Speaker 3:I mean, is it? Do people make shit loads from skateboarding?
Speaker 4:Nah, no one makes like any money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, Because remember my wasn't my friend Levi Peterson, right? No, I grew up with this kid and he skated. For who's the actor? Jason Lee.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Peterson, I know that's his last. Jason Lee, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Peterson. I know that's his last name, right? Clint, clint, clint, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, clint, there we go. But I remember meeting him when he came into town and like it's the closest thing to a professional.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, he was big time. Yeah, but I don't know if I mean I'm not trying to like air out his financials.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how much. I don't know either. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:But I just remember being like huh, I wonder.
Speaker 2:So aren't those stuff? I think I mean like Tony Hawk, like doing sponsorships, getting promo deals, getting video games, doing tutorials or whatever Like that's. I mean that's the name that I grew up with, you know of like, but that's like the name, that's like.
Speaker 4:That's like a that's like a like the unicorn.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that's just what I was going to say, yeah.
Speaker 4:Like everyone in that game, makes money, which is cool, and he put people on.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Like it's amazing what he's done.
Speaker 2:Like he, hell yeah, he like with the little he actually like cares which is cool like you can tell he like is like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he seems like he's a real guy and yeah, he cares. That's good. Well, we want him to be right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just thinking about like quote unquote alternative sports, you know, like famous snowboarders or famous uh surfers like there are names I'm not. I've I've done a little bit of those things.
Speaker 3:I'm in no way a participant of aficionado, but there are names that I as nobody is probably right there's, there's like a name, right like we can name sean white, we can name tony hawk, we can name kelly slater, but like I don't know the fucking ins and outs of it all and I can't imagine that there's like a giant group of people making a shit we don't get like benefits or health care, yeah, which is crazy because it's a fucking sport and you should.
Speaker 4:It's, it's, yeah, it's a lot you know it's definitely it's something. I don't know what it is, but like all the stuff that like was like in the x games and shit Like BMX skateboarding, aggressive, like whatever Right right.
Speaker 4:Like for some reason, like dude, if a basketball player falls down, people are like they're mopping the floor. They're like yo, are you good? Like they have like an EMT ready to go. Like no, we, yeah, no one in. Like I fucking hate like extreme sports. Like saying that yeah. Like I don't even know, I don't even want to call it a sport, obviously, but like, yeah, like what we do, like you don't get that, but like people think that you're just like there to like do the thing, do the jump the barrel.
Speaker 1:And it's like, I'm like no.
Speaker 4:I don't want. Yeah, the people like do a kickflip. I'm like no, I'm like you are an asshole like I'm not doing that, like so.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you a question that makes me think, because I actually have worked on the back end and like f and b for mix for some extreme sports, um expos and different events like that. I've been on the food and beverage end and I'm thinking that's super cool, but do you feel a difference between when people say it's like a performance versus a sport, like people are asking to be entertained by you and your skill and your sport versus a sport of traditional sport like basketball or oh, I see what you're saying, because you're not playing against someone, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's not competitive. It is competitive, but it's not individual performance. Um, does that make sense?
Speaker 4:no, it totally makes sense. I knew at some point I was going to be asked something like this and I should have, should have prepared myself for this one. But, um, I, I like you could ask, like a hundred people and like everyone would be like, yeah, it's like not a sport.
Speaker 4:I don't think it's a sport Also, like I don't think it's like people are calling it like an art. Okay, I it could be anything that day I could just be like getting dirt under, like my fingernails with my friends and like falling on the ground and like. But if I'm like, that's like I just want to be like outside doing something. I don't think it's like an art, a sport or a performance. I think it's like I don't know, I it's so crazy, I don't know what to call it. I can't, because you can have like a really good day where you're like that did feel like I like you practice, I, I like, did the damn thing out there today like got a clip, like film something or like.
Speaker 4:And then there's days where I'm like dude, I was hung over but I like hung out with my friends all day and we just like sat like on a bench in like like what have you? You know, I don't know. So to answer, I think it's like Meditation Therapy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, therapy, I'd call it for sure. Don't put words in his mouth. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I just, I don't really.
Speaker 4:It's so, day to day, it's hard for me to like do a solid answer on that one, because I like I love it so much and then also sometimes I hate it. I don, I love it so much and then also sometimes I hate it. Yeah, I don't know. It's more like a relationship with this like wooden toy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's, that's what I, because sometimes you're like this thing is like I'm so glad it's in my life, and then sometimes you're like God damn it, I hate my skateboard today.
Speaker 2:Right, right, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Well, you get to hate an inanimate object. That is also a refuge. But like, thank god I'm not calling it a sport though, because that would be whack.
Speaker 1:Okay, I do not, yeah I yeah, that's why I'm like I'm glad.
Speaker 2:I'm glad people are making money right now. Questions about this.
Speaker 4:I'm glad I I've like definitely seen like a change in the way the outside world interacts with me since it's been in the olympics. But like I don't really also like shouts out to the dudes judging it like that's awesome, make that money cool. I mean it's just like I cannot believe that it is an olympic sport. Now that is crazy to me. I didn't even know it was um, yeah, I thinkdancing broke some of the mold on that one.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, the breakdancing. What was her name? What was her name? Ray Gunn, or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, was it Ray.
Speaker 4:Gunn Ray Gunn, she's Australian.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, dude, that was crazy, I mean but what a gift to the world.
Speaker 4:She canceled it out of that shit, they were like like that was so bad. So are they?
Speaker 3:is breakdancing still an.
Speaker 4:Olympic sport no, I think they've. They're like after that they were like fuck this shit what's a sport, if you could, that doesn't exist in the Olympics? What would you? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean, I okay the breakdancing thing. I do have to say like you know, if you know a little bit about my background, like being in the rap world for so you know, so many fucking years, I do remember being really young and seeing the break dancers and being like that is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1:Like I can't believe that you can do that shit.
Speaker 3:It is, it's painful, it looks painful, it was. I mean I had, like you know, like as she, like the B girls and the fucking B boysboys and like them doing their like dances. I mean I can't do that shit. So I was really impressed. Is it a? Should it be in the Olympics?
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't fucking know. So what about the ribbon dancers? Like, how are those different than?
Speaker 3:Yeah right, Was it modern day ribbon dancing.
Speaker 2:There's the ribbon, they twirl the ribbons and they dance around with hula hoops.
Speaker 3:That sounds like you hate it and balls?
Speaker 2:No, I mean it's beautiful and entertaining. No, there's actual, just ribbon people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I know that dance with ribbons.
Speaker 2:In the Olympics In the Olympics.
Speaker 3:Hey man tomato, tomato.
Speaker 4:I think people should like steal catalytic converters. Yeah, right, like how fast, how fast and how quiet can you do it? I think that would be like really good well, I think people have been practicing our neighborhood yeah, no, but like doing like
Speaker 4:street sport like hijack a car, steal a catalytic well, don't they do the thing where, like someone like you, like ski with a gun in your backpack and like I'm like yo sharp shooting yeah, we could like there's, there's, that's happening outside of our door and we just don't see it yet yeah, it's well, it's not come.
Speaker 2:I mean it is competitive it is like it's not to be shot or shoot and like you're on like some mobile thing like that's, that's
Speaker 4:that's crazy yeah, I mean, I don't know what sport would you want to see, if you could see anything what like to add to the olympics add to the olympics I saw a guy the other day, pogo sticking, and I was like and it was like one of the crazy, huge ones, yeah, those you know. You know that thing like your, your like chin, is right above the like. If it like shoots up at you, that thing is like going to break your face.
Speaker 2:You need upper body control, so.
Speaker 4:I'm saying that.
Speaker 3:I'm going pogo stick. I would totally watch some pogo sticking Olympics yeah.
Speaker 4:Cadillac converter stealing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 2:Or how about you, Marissa?
Speaker 4:I don't know Change a tire, I'm into the auto things.
Speaker 2:I'm like functional life shit. Let's hotwire a car. Let's steal a catalytic converter. Let's change a tire. Let's Like some car Olympics. Yeah, car Olympics.
Speaker 3:Like mechanic shit because.
Speaker 2:I know a little, but also just like going to the dentist, like I have to have full faith in you you were like taking apart my shit to make it function either in my car or in my mouth like there's so much trust turning over a car.
Speaker 3:I just saw like some weird sports documentary was like a vancouver flipping car, yeah like, like, it was like a. Vancouver flipping car. Yeah, like it was like a hockey. We're pretty good at that in Philadelphia, yeah, 30 for 30 where people like get so angry and they start flipping cars and riots. That would be cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you gotta bounce it right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you gotta exactly. That's what I noticed they bounce it psychotic.
Speaker 2:But you know that the the saying of mothers will lift a car yeah put their babies in danger under a car and make normal moms?
Speaker 3:okay, not really, but like there's incentive there of there is you know if the mama bear thing?
Speaker 2:yeah, if anyone fucks with my dog. I'm. I'm the strength you don't even know I will possess yeah, you just shove wilbur under a car and then I try and lift it. I'll flip a car for Wilbur yeah me too Her dog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love where this is going Delaware, am I right? This all can happen in Delaware, we're putting Delaware on the map.
Speaker 2:Joe Biden and weird, fucking, extreme, competitive, non-olympic Olympic sports, so skating thing too.
Speaker 3:how does age play into that?
Speaker 4:I'm finding that out every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm 35 now and I'm definitely I mean also I work in the service industry. So I'm like the hours. Some days I'll have like a good one and I'll like feel good, them like the hours. Some days I'll have like a good one and I'll like feel good, but uh, I think like I've sent like sponsor me tapes to like people not of me.
Speaker 2:Sponsor me tapes of other people okay and uh, and I'm like, I'm like yo like this is my homie and he's really good.
Speaker 4:Um, you guys should, you guys should send him some boards or like shoes, whatever, and they were like, yeah, but how old is he?
Speaker 2:and I remember my friend, being like 26, and they were like dude can't can't touch that seriously, yeah like 20, 21, 22 like even just after looking at the tape, without having, like any other knowledge well, no, they're like.
Speaker 4:That's the question most people asked they're like how old is he? So like I don't really know the trajectory now, but like I feel, fine, I'm not trying to get sponsored anymore, like I never really was anyway. But like I think, like kids are well, every, everyone progresses way quicker. Now, be I blame it on the internet and like, yeah, tick, tock and Instagram and all this, all that shit the exposure yeah, well, you like learn faster through, just like watching you're not on the dirt road with the VHS.
Speaker 4:I think now like people are probably like I don't know, like I think people get like a window of like I don't even know like 17 to like 21. Like it's like it's not, like it's kind of like I don't know. Like like what's the age for like football? Like what's old in football, I mean?
Speaker 3:well.
Speaker 2:I was going to say did Aaron Rodgers retire at 30 or some shit Yo?
Speaker 4:Aaron Rodgers is like a different thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, I say it, but. I you know what's funny is the first thing that came to my mind, jd, honestly, was like modeling just in the sense of like you age out of modeling you know what I mean, you start you start so young.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Like you're a fucking you're 12 years old, ten years definitely have the window and it's like, yeah, but it's not just physicality.
Speaker 2:It's about perception, because if you're physically doing whatever you want to do at 26, why aren't you getting?
Speaker 4:the same as 16-year-olds. That doesn't sell stuff, though.
Speaker 2:Jesus yeah. It's really weird Did you know that, did you think of that Kind of?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's just like also, like I've seen like 24-year-old kids like tear their ACL and like they're like fuck man, like crying, they're like dude, this is it. And I was like, yeah, bro, that's like eight months of like recovery time and like a lot of people like either I mean they bounce back or whatever, or I don't know, or it's just like or they're never the same Right.
Speaker 4:I mean, it's not even that they're never the same, it's just like. It's just this weird like thing where you can like not get like forgotten about, but like it's like, yeah, like there's like certain injuries that like will put you back like months and then, like I don't know, I'd be pretty scared too. Like you can like see, the fear sometimes is what I'm saying, which, like I obviously have it. I'm like, I'm like I gotta work tomorrow. I can't like whack my head on the curb.
Speaker 3:Right. So do you think about that when you're out skating Constantly?
Speaker 4:I have like so much it can bring. This like thing that I love can bring me so much anxiety.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I don't even do crazy shit, Like I don't really jump down stairs. I haven't touched a handrail in years.
Speaker 2:Like yeah. Can I ask a personal Are you insured?
Speaker 4:Am I Mm-hmm? Uh, right now, what's today? Today is, today is July 6th. It's my brother's birthday.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. Happy birthday, brother.
Speaker 4:As of right now, I have Medicaid.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Awesome. Um, I'll probably lose it next week.
Speaker 3:Okay, From the the lose it next week. Okay, from the yeah the big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I mean we probably all will. Yes, I mean it's crazy so they can like fly to like islands and like molest children instead of like making sure that I have teeth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know but so I guess that's something. I mean, that's just I'm trying to word this, but yeah that's just so crazy. I mean, you think about that like you have to think, oh my god, I have to go to work in four hours so I can't do this thing that I want to do, or I mean, yeah, yeah, more or less, but like I don't really, the way I skate is like a little different.
Speaker 4:I don't like really jump down stuff. I'm like I hate the term, people call it like technical skating, but I'm like not even that good at that. I'm like. I'm just like it's. It's the day like I could feel really good one day. I could feel really bad the other day.
Speaker 4:I don't know it's like all uh, it's, yeah, it's all just like ebbs and flows kind of like in my brain about like what I feel comfortable doing. But uh, yeah, I don't know, it's uh, it's like definitely crazy to be like all right, cool, like I could get like hit by a car today, but like, yeah, right, and I got a and I got a bartending. Yeah right, you're like no one's gonna cover my shift if I'm fucking incapacitated?
Speaker 2:damn it because josie's got her mom's wedding and then somebody's got a baby fuck.
Speaker 3:Do you think it's something you'll do forever, or is there like I'd?
Speaker 4:hope to you do. I like I used to work, uh, like labor skate shop. This dude james, he's like he got like super into surfing. He was like the best boss. I mean, aside from you that. I've ever had, I'll pay you later, but he like started surfing and like fell in love with it and I'm like damn, you can like do that into your old age and you don't have to like whack your head on the concrete Like it's water, so like, have you done that, have you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I've served. I like doesn't hit, it doesn't hit the same no it, it hits way different yeah it's crazy, so like I love it.
Speaker 4:I'm not good at it yet, but I'm like he bought me a board oh, he like gave me a board, gave me a wetsuit, he was like I like we should get you in the water. And I I was like, dude, this is like such a nice thing to do and I like went a whole year without doing it and I felt like kind of guilty. I'm like, damn, I should probably get in the water, like not that we like surf together or anything, but like I know he would be stoked knowing that I was like trying to surf. But like I I've like I've like dabbled, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I also think like maybe foresight into giving you an extension. Yeah, or an alternative for something that you can do for longer for sure, and it's cool that isn't so harsh.
Speaker 4:It's super, like I so like. It's kind of the same thing with like bart bartending, Like I like bartending. I hate bartenders. I like surfing, but surfers.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Like a lot of them. God damn. Like Rockaway. I'm like we're surfing like a two-foot wave and you have a GoPro like mouth mount, or you're like being all aggro. I'm like, dude, you're a fucking loser. Like it's crazy. Like it really bums me out that like we're like not to be like super heady, but you're like harnessing the earth's power to like propel you towards like a landmass, and it's like crazy that we figured this out.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And you're going to try to ruin it.
Speaker 2:Strange to me to just like, stream it on tiktok and instagram and like or just like, or just like to be like a bully a bully about it.
Speaker 4:I'm like oh that's really weird and like there's no, like I don't know, I'm like not, I still I suck at surfing, but I think it's really cool. It's like extremely humbling and like I'm probably like talking about it in like a super cringe way, that like if someone talked about skateboarding like this, I'd be like god damn that guy.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 4:I have no idea what I'm saying about certain, but there's something about it where I'm like I can do this until I'm older and like I, I enjoy like learning yeah and like figuring it out and like but when I fall I'm not gonna get.
Speaker 3:Like right smoked yeah, like worst case scenario you get eaten by a shark and that's really, or you flip over and snap your neck yeah, I mean there's a lot.
Speaker 4:It's still dangerous, don't get it wrong, but it seems way more mellow and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2:I was lucky. My introduction I'm not a surfer but I was. You know, my late teens I was in Mexico and it was my first time being around the ocean. I learned to swim in the ocean when I was a teenager in Mexico and there were these group of guys at this surf in Puerto Escondido, a little small village around there, and every sunset all the guys who went out early in the morning would gather around and watch videos of each other of that morning. And for me from the outside it was super kind of romantic where they all congratulated each other or like gave tips, like oh man, that's's where you lost that you should have done this. And like moving around and like they. Just every single day they went out in the morning, they caught the first stuff and then they had the like, re regrouping and analysis at night and I was like I could. I felt very apart from it, but it was so beautiful to see that community and to be a part of this conversation.
Speaker 3:I know what's going on. Oh yeah, watch wave movies.
Speaker 2:I'm from Minnesota. I don't fucking know, but seeing it in real life. No surfing in Minnesota, dude. Yeah, I was a kid from the Great Lakes. That was the first time that I was exposed to that.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's like the community right, yeah, it was the community, what we, what we're talking about is like there's a skate community, there's a bartending community, there's a surf community.
Speaker 2:You're part of the surf community, so it feels outside.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, but I understand that and that keeps you going.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it's dope.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm terrified of the ocean, but I would totally surf with you.
Speaker 4:I'd try. We don't belong out there. No, I mean me too.
Speaker 3:I always feel like I'm hanging out in like someone's fucking living room.
Speaker 4:That's how like I feel, like we should feel, yeah.
Speaker 2:She's in charge and you just have to listen and pay attention, and then know when to like step away and let her do her thing and not be a part of it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:And keep her clean, because but I, just, even as a kid, I would always describe the ocean as like you. I would always describe the ocean as like you know. It's like going into someone's living room and they don't want you there and at any given time, they're going to let you know that they don't want you there and they have every right to. We don't even know that much about it, right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, Yo, I'm yeah, we're not supposed to be out there.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, I just watched that documentary on those motherfuckers that exploded in the submarine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I mean, that was, that's a different that was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was nature doing its thing.
Speaker 3:But still, I'm just saying like you don't want to. You know, I love how there's people out there that were like you laughed at that.
Speaker 4:That's insane. I'm like no, that's like actually hilarious, like come on now.
Speaker 3:No, that's like actually hilarious Like come on now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a group of like yo, but they died. I'm like yeah, like what? The?
Speaker 2:arrogance and the detachment of from anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I do want to ask you I know that you worked with some organizations that taught kids how to skate yeah, how to skate, yeah. And. And I think that now, knowing that you didn't have that community or those models growing up, I think that is even more impactful that you brought that to to young people and yeah and so two parts of that, like what that was like for bringing that to kids, but also, um, young girls were young girls participants of that?
Speaker 3:because I feel like women are not a big forefront in the general conversation about skating it's more of like they are now that's what I said earlier too like I think they really are I think, it is, it's.
Speaker 2:There is a huge I guess in my small circle of like people who I know who skate like one or two women.
Speaker 4:So I worked. I won't name who it is, but I worked for these people. They're like kind of based in like the Park Slope area, okay, and they were like so absent and just like so shitty.
Speaker 2:But like the kids were awesome. Okay.
Speaker 4:And also I'm going to keep it real with y'all. I was sick, I don't. I don't get sick. I was sick all the time.
Speaker 4:Kids are gross yeah so, but they all like most of them were like into it. A lot of it was like rich, like famous dj parents like sending their kids away, like and like they don't care about skateboarding, like dude, that's cool, like we can sit here and talk and like I do not. Like I'm not gonna say I'm like not good with kids, I just don't like understand them they were like age group they were in.
Speaker 4:Like we would like pick them up from like different schools and stuff which is insane to think about like I have to. I have to go to like five different schools in like one day and like pick all these kids up within like a certain time frame, the business model is shot. It's bad, but anyway.
Speaker 4:So they're like, I'm gonna say they're like in like third, fourth grade okay but there's like a couple ones that like wanted to skate, okay, and like new stuff, and I was like, all right, cool, like these are my guys, yeah, or girls, okay, but no, it was fun, but like it was it's stressful, it's weird and like obviously, like they pick up super fast on stuff. But I will say, like the way they approach like danger, like children not to not to be yeah, children, yes, but like young girls especially, they go for it, they don't give a shit they're.
Speaker 1:that's terrifying, yeah.
Speaker 4:And also not to be a weirdo.
Speaker 3:They get taller quicker, so they have this, it's so weird Physical capability before the boys of the same age For sure, like an advantage, and it sounds like such a creep thing to say no, no, no, you're making an observation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, young girls mature and physically grow faster.
Speaker 4:There's a time when, like I'll spend like mad time with like one little kid and then like another kid and I'm like oh so he's, he's stuck on this trick, or whatever like trying to figure out like some stuff, and then she is like just like eons away. Like, I'm like okay like all right, Like we, that's rad. Like it's just how it's, I don't know Right Like.
Speaker 2:I think it's an unfulfilled childhood thing of mine is that I always wanted to like skate and to do that and to be. I've never been taught to be with an inanimate object.
Speaker 2:As a young girl I was taught dance and swimming and running this is not a shit on my parents, it's just like a sign of the times. And my brother had t-ball basketball, being all these things with the objects and playing in teams and doing all that. But it's not just individual sport, but it's like being comfortable with something other than my body and being taught to be fearless and I think I was. I just like didn't get that tapped into, so I'm a little like yeah 45 year old woman jealous that I never was taught to be comfortable with that and and now I'm like I'm too young, yeah, I don't have insurance and I'm too old and too scared.
Speaker 2:I mean, you probably dodged a bullet anyway well, it's question time it is all right, so jd um jd we have this box of rando questions we don't know any and we do participate in answer, so it's not full on you, um, and we're just gonna pull one out, oh okay, and I always find that. We find that it's a little kind of like not tarot card-y, but like things kind of pop up. All right, what sources of culture do you turn to in order to get a perspective on everyday concerns?
Speaker 3:Next question that one's stupid.
Speaker 4:I don't even understand it. I don't even know what I would have said to that Me. Neither I would have danced around it, I would have been a full politician on that one. I would have been like ooh a penny.
Speaker 2:I thought, I thought state culture could be Right. Okay, generic.
Speaker 3:Okay, we got a generic one.
Speaker 2:Are you good at saying sorry?
Speaker 3:Oh, I kind of like that one.
Speaker 1:Because, it's loaded oh.
Speaker 2:I kind of like that one, uh, because that love it's loaded.
Speaker 4:I haven't been physically harmed in a while, so yeah, I think so you meaning for apologizing for something? Yeah, and then not when I should have got my ass beat. Yeah, I think I'm pretty good at it.
Speaker 3:I do do too. I think you're actually. I was just like thinking about like times when you've just even said like, oh, I'm so sorry, You're very genuine.
Speaker 4:I hear like my bad. You're a very genuine person. I try to be. You really are.
Speaker 3:Like I can see it in your eyes when you say I'm sorry. You know, like maybe you're like 10 minutes late for work and you'll be like I'm super sorry and I never feel like you're bullshitting me. Nah, yeah, yeah. So I guess I just answered for you. I think you're really good at it. I think you're very sincere.
Speaker 4:I think I'm pretty good yeah not to boast, but yeah, I think I might and you're like.
Speaker 3:You're a very sincere person. You're very true. I don't think you say you're sorry when you don't mean it yeah, I like probably say it too much. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think JD is performative, then nothing is false as far as like what you're making statements about for here. For that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I am, I can be, I have definitely I'm like getting flashes in myself of like I can see myself apologizing in a very sarcastic way, Like, oh, I'm sorry that you know I'm picturing like depending on the person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I'm picturing certain friends where I'm like, yeah, that's case to case. Yeah, I do a lot of not I do, I say a lot of things that require um explanation and or apology, because I am emotionally reactive and I'm getting better. I think, ken, am I at uh catching myself before, uh thinking before speaking, but I think once I realized that I fucked up, I I really try and yeah, you're good at uh, apologize, like I'll be like Marissa, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 3:And you'll be like I'm sorry, and then you move on, which I do, like you don't dwell in the why am I apologizing, sort of thing.
Speaker 1:You apologize.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:I know when I mess up, you own up to your behavior and you apologize, which I appreciate. I really try to, and if it's something that I don't agree with, skip over. Yeah, yeah, that's good, all right, all right, okay. So that, yeah, these are super why?
Speaker 3:what are you doing one more? Okay, I think we have time for.
Speaker 4:Let's do one more, one quick one, and then I gotta open this fucking bar I can't believe you're doing this.
Speaker 3:I know I'm so bummed, dude, three days in a row for me no way it's four total, but that's a lot for me. That that's unreal.
Speaker 2:She's got a big day and some tequila. We all back down. What do you imagine people say when they?
Speaker 3:gossip about you, man Whoa. I feel like that's a tagline from I'm.
Speaker 2:Sorry, jesus.
Speaker 4:That's heavy. I don't really know Probably that I get drunk and tell stories, tell shit. Yeah, I mean, I'm not one to like, I never snitch, don't do any shit like that, but I love giving people weird facts about random friends. Love that Gossip a little, I'm like oh, like you ever seen that dude's like bathroom curtain? Like it's weird like I don't know, like just stupid shit, like that, like I don't know, like I love that about like I don't know, but like some people get like super self-conscious about stuff like that and I totally understand.
Speaker 4:But like, yeah, maybe it's like yeah, you dropped Miranda facts.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, that was like a really bad example of it. But yeah, I thought it was a great example of it.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do, do that, You're right.
Speaker 3:I never even thought about that, but you're totally like. You'll be like, oh, that guy, his aunt was married to and I'll be like really.
Speaker 4:Or people would be like where's mike? And I'm like he's getting garlic knots at tony's or something you know like yeah, and like he would be really bummed on that, yeah yeah, and he would be bummed well, well, and then he'd walk out of tony's and he's like holding a bag of yeah marissa, what are you about to admit to?
Speaker 2:uh, what do people gossip about me? I I'm gonna say probably when I am inebriated and happy about town and I go and I just like give too many stories maybe not facts about other people but overshare about myself my no filter, that's fine my no filter, but the same thing is like I don't lie, I'm a horrible liar. Yeah, so too honest and too much information about myself Not necessarily other people I share overshare.
Speaker 3:Right, right, Overshare. I think that's fine. Mine would probably. I don't know what mine would be. Mine would probably be like oh, I'm just constantly like I hate it. I mean, my tagline is I hate it here. So I think maybe I'm a very positive person but I'm also a very negative person too, and yeah, I guess maybe negativity. What do people gossip about tell me? I want to know.
Speaker 2:I don't think people gossip about you, but I think people give you the over social played card, pass card. I'm like a if I know that Rita had three obligations in a row and we have a tentative thing, then it may not happen because her social card is spent and I'm not offended and I do the same thing and we do that with each other. We're like I'm just, I had too many people in a row and so I'm gonna retreat and I wouldn't call that gossip, I would just call it like we know ahead that I'm gonna cancel that you might cancel.
Speaker 3:That's what it is that's literally what it is I fuck. You both know this about me I will cancel everything yeah, I will say I say yes to a hundred percent, but at the end of the day, all I want to do is sit and hang out and do drugs with my dog and I'm like a 50 50 on the yes and you're like a 25 75, that's true, you have seen me you made it when I met your girlfriend for the first time. I love that story, do you?
Speaker 4:actually have to like cross mcginnis to go to city field.
Speaker 2:You've kind of well you do because you have to be on the train, but like it's kind of like on this on the same path yeah, I don't really I don't see you on the other side of mcgin and I actually respect that yeah.
Speaker 3:But you are right, I think it's just like.
Speaker 1:I'll be like, oh yeah, I'll totally go and I'll totally go, and I'll totally go and then I'll like text some fucking white lie where I'm like the pipes burst, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2:You don't lie to me. I just know when you're tapped out. Yeah, I'm tapped out.
Speaker 3:Well, I think that's a great way to end this podcast.
Speaker 2:We're tapping out and we got a lot of shit to do today. Do we guys what?
Speaker 3:are you doing today, JD?
Speaker 4:I'm going to go sit in the park with my friends.
Speaker 3:That sounds cute, yeah because your girlfriend's out of town, right? Yep, we love her.
Speaker 2:She's hot too we do need to mention she's hot.
Speaker 3:I'm extremely lucky. She's very cool and hot. Marissa's intro to you delaware skateboarding bartending hot girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Those are my bullet points. I was like we'll see what makes sense in the combo.
Speaker 4:Only one thing kind of wrong there?
Speaker 3:yeah, exactly, but I opened up a door but you know a lot about delaware, so that was kind of cool.
Speaker 4:I'm an advocate for the first state.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly. Well, I gotta work, so I'm pretty bummed.
Speaker 2:I have a previous podcast to work on editing and I have two dogs I'm dog-sitting so I've got an extra fluffer with me that I think we're just going to.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 2:Chill, let's peace out. All right, loves. Thank you, JD for finally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no problem, love you so much. Jd. Yay, can I say one thing?
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course, free Palestine, go birds.
Speaker 2:Love that. All right babes.
Speaker 3:All right, love you guys, okay bye.
