People at the Core
From The Greenpoint Palace bar in Brooklyn, New York writers and bartenders, Rita and Marisa, have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar.
People at the Core
I'm Not Good Yet, But I'm Getting Better: Actor Melissa Parker Caron on Music, Motherhood and Following Fear
What happens when you finally stop letting fear dictate your choices? In this heartfelt conversation with actress, improv coach, and former rock star Melissa Parker Caron, we explore the transformative power of facing what scares us most.
Melissa shares her winding path from Orlando's vibrant music scene to New York City, where she's raising a Brooklyn-savvy daughter while rekindling creative passions she once thought unattainable. After years working in record stores and playing in bands, Melissa had almost convinced herself that her childhood dream of acting would remain just that—a dream. But a chance encounter with an agent and a recurring sandwich board advertising improv classes became the universe's not-so-subtle nudge toward her true calling.
The conversation flows through rich territory: the housing crisis threatening Brooklyn's sense of community, the surprising diversity of Florida beyond its stereotypes, and the special magic that keeps New Yorkers anchored despite the challenges of urban living. We laugh about the lost pleasures of midnight album releases and liner notes in a streaming world, and reflect on how parenting in the city shapes remarkably independent children.
But the heart of our talk centers on that pivotal moment in midlife when fear begins losing its grip. There's a liberation in no longer caring what others think, in saying no without explanation, and in finally pursuing passions without the self-judgment that characterized earlier decades.
Whether you're contemplating a creative leap, navigating midlife transitions, or simply curious about reframing the negative self-talk that holds you back, Melissa's journey offers a blueprint for turning "I'm bad at this" into "I'm not good yet, but I'm getting better." Because as she reminds us, we don't fear things we don't care about—our fears might just be signposts pointing toward what matters most.
Mentions:
Follow us on Instagram! People at the Core Podcast
Email us! peopleatthecorepodcast@gmail.com
From the Greenpoint Palace Bar in Brooklyn, new York, writers and bartenders Rita and Marissa have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar. This is People at the Core.
Speaker 3:Alright, looks like we're rolling we rolling, we're rolling you're rolling with your terry voice, your terry gross voice again.
Speaker 2:Well, she has her podcast voice well, it's since I've started using the headphones that's why new equipment that makes me very conscious of my voice in ways that I I didn't before, because it's literally talking into my own ears. So I don't know, don't?
Speaker 3:cover your mouth though. Okay, you're doing great kiddo. I kind of like it.
Speaker 1:It's very soothing okay when I used to DJ I did one on, one off, so I could still kind of hear what.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see there you go, all right smart well, all right.
Speaker 2:So our guest today is one of my favorite people Mine too In the world and she couldn't be fucking nicer and cuter. And she was actually our first, technically our first guest. We had a couple sessions with her while we were figuring out equipment and those interviews, unfortunately, unfortunately got lost into.
Speaker 3:Oblivion. They're the lost tapes, the lost tapes, the lost tapes. We got to find them and dig them up.
Speaker 2:I don't have the production skill set to, and I even passed it on to other people.
Speaker 3:I know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I did, but I fucked it up twice, so we're very excited to have her back officially. Melissa parker karen yeah, she's gosh so many things. A neighbor number one. We met almost 11 years ago. Actually, just over 11 years ago on her husband husband's birthday. They came into our restaurant and we all just hit it off. Then we closed the doors, closed the curtains, poured the tequila and I think we hung out until I don't know 3 or 4 in the morning and have forever sealed our friendship. Love that, yeah.
Speaker 3:But she's also very talented. Yeah, give all the info.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very talented actress. She does actual acting. She does actual acting, she does voice acting, she's an improv coach. She's a former rock star, plays keyboard. She's a badass mama, just to list a few. Yeah, just a few things. And she's a great friend and yeah, let's just, let's just hi, it's me yay, we love you, I love you, I love both of you so
Speaker 1:so much and it is. It's been such a privilege to know you both for so many years like I remember. Yeah, just being in the neighborhood for this long is really wonderful and see it change is crazy. Yeah, but to still have this constant, like the people at the core, yeah oh, oh, yeah, also she speaking of voice.
Speaker 2:She is actually our intro voice oh yeah um yeah, I don't know if I've given you credit anywhere for that. That that's okay. So, hey, world, I don't need credit, there we go. Hey, it's me. Great job.
Speaker 1:No but it is nice in an ever-changing, chaotic nightmare of a world that we live in to have the constant of the people.
Speaker 2:That really just you know, fill us from the inside out, so thank you Especially, like you know, when we all saw each other during pandemic and crossing in the park on the, in the outside of the bar inside the bar.
Speaker 3:I was going to say this speaking of the neighborhood you guys, I've had so many people I'm just going for it right now so many people are getting priced out of their apartments right now. It's terrifying Families and I ran into this um regular here and his family got priced out and now he was telling me that whenever they go looking at places, they're telling them no families. Yes, what is that?
Speaker 3:well, it's bullshit is what it is that illegal that's real I don't think it's legal no I don't think it's legal, but they're doing it. They're doing it, I mean yeah, it's just nuts, it's.
Speaker 1:It's terrifying and like we're in a situation because we've been there pre-pandemic and yeah, you know we love our landlord. He owns the building and if we moved out and we're like oh no, and moved right back in, our rent would double yeah double double, like it's so unfair right now I know it's crazy and, yeah, the whole family thing it's. It gets even harder.
Speaker 3:And then if you have a dog like that's even more interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh exactly, you throw a dog on top and it's just like you know the pet thing's not new. Yeah, but I've never heard of families being told yeah, I mean I literally ran into him and he was like.
Speaker 3:He was like, yeah, we might have to move to blah, blah, blah, because they're literally saying no families. Oh, you have a child, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, you can't live here yeah, which is insane to me. Yeah, and I think the loophole or the way that they're getting around it is like oh, we have, we had another tenant, we went with a different. Yeah, exactly is what they?
Speaker 3:say they'd rather have like these, like 20, you know, 20, 30 year old, like young professionals. And this is what he was telling me, obviously, but he was like um, they'd rather have like four young professionals than a, a partnership and a child which is you would think it'd be the opposite, because I would assume that the family would care more about the building and take care of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kids, you know I am destined to live under toddlers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say they're pretty destructive.
Speaker 2:They're kind of annoying.
Speaker 3:So are 20-year-olds.
Speaker 1:But that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying Like I don't want to live under 20-year-olds, but I also don't want to live under kids learning to walk. That's not fun and babies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, a noises for unnecessary reasons.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like it's New York, though. I mean noises are going to be noises.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and that's also like when people talk about moving or I don't know. I'm thinking of doing that. I was like one okay price, but if you can do anything, great. But your fear of who are your neighbors, like that, scares me more than anything. I'm like I, I'm solid where I am. Yeah. Like yeah, there's stuff that I would improve, but no, I know my neighbors, we're good. We got a good flow, vibe and respect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean also just speaking of like New York is truly, it's like one of a kind place in the whole world, which you guys know, we've all traveled everywhere, but, like as a family who, like, constantly thinks about more space and a backyard and like all these things, it's like we, we think about other cities and states, or even countries, and it's like god, there's just nothing like New.
Speaker 1:York City there's nothing like it here and, yeah, being established in a neighborhood that is just so wonderful. It's like with the people and the neighbors and like knowing everybody around us, like it's really, really hard to leave yeah, I mean, I agree, I think about it all the time.
Speaker 3:I mean just, oh God, you know for what I pay. I could have an entire house in a backyard and I really want to pool. I've been thinking I want to move to Florida. I'm serious Just cause I want to pool. So bad I know.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, the person to talk to about Florida is Melissa, I know.
Speaker 3:I know and we will talk later. But I know, but there's no place like this in the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's true. It's like I feel like you know, suburbia is sort of calling us, but she loves her Brooklyn school. Like walking driving, taking the train, she loves it.
Speaker 2:I don't envy you of having to navigate having a kid in the city, because I think that is really fucking hard, but it's also like the coolest thing to like have a kid who is savvy of the city like she's a Brooklyn baby and is. I've watched her. She's, she's gonna be almost seven, yeah, almost seven crazy. I watched her grow and just her confidence with herself and moving in the world. It just like I didn't have that at seven, like just boss, babe, I mean with her fit coming in the park and they're like scooters and bikes, and
Speaker 1:she's like saying hey to everybody and telling people what like literally two days ago, we were in the park and I said what would you do if you couldn't find me? She's like I just walk home. And it was like we live like nine blocks away but I mean it's straight up the street, but still she's like I would just walk home. That's so funny you don't even have house keys. Yeah, going in the right direction and that's what matters and the fact that she knows that.
Speaker 3:You know, I remember when I first moved here, you guys, guys, I, you know, this is before like Google Maps and stuff where you'd have to have like a map train. Yahoo Maps, print it out, yeah exactly, and I would like get on and I would be crying in the city trying to figure out which train and there'd be like a five-year-old sitting next to me like transferring and I'm like this five-year-old can do it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I can't who's like on an iPad and shit. And I was like I can't even swipe, I don't know. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:And, in the same breath, like knowing that her future, in just a few years, when she's going to middle school, she will be taking the train or the bus by herself Terrifies me.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah, I'm so terrified by it I'm like, and so I ask, like native New Yorkers all the time, like, okay, you grew up here, you grew up in Manhattan, what was that like, what was it? What do you? What do you do? How did you navigate? Like, what did you? Did you go to parties? Did you get you know, like all those things like I'm like, ah, all of it just sounds so big and scary, like like kids the yeah party monster, not my kid. Yeah right.
Speaker 3:But I mean, I do think there is this. I mean, I don't have children. I've always wanted children, but I don't have any. But, like you know, there is that idea of like it's almost city, kids are almost more, they're smarter when it comes to drug use, it seems like, anyway, it's because they see it on a day-to-day basis, whereas suburban kids all they see is MTV Right.
Speaker 2:I saw some meme. They're like oh, I get anxiety about going to the grocery store, but hey, remember when I told my mom I was going to sleep over but I was getting blackout drunk in a field? Yeah, exactly, and I just followed whomever like, which I actually did get blackout drunk in a field and left by my friend that I was staying the night.
Speaker 1:We all have well speaking of Florida like I can't I can't tell you the number of times in my 20s that I drove home drunk or like blackout drunk.
Speaker 2:I just like yeah, woke up and I'm like oh, I'm in my driveway like oh, I like to look out the window and be like, oh, car's, car's here, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1:I know Like the fact that we can do that here and not have to worry about transporting ourselves home.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We can just take public transportation. Get a car I don't even let my husband get on the train drunk.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, just get a car. I was like you are going to fall asleep and somebody is going to rob you.
Speaker 1:You look very approachable to kind, he's smiley, he's so sweet, disarming, smile like no, but yes, so okay. So, florida, yeah, florida, yeah, that's where it all started. Yeah, uh, people give florida bad rap, but I grew up in orlando, which is very gay, friendly. It's very like, diverse and in every single way that you could imagine, from right wingers to you know, liberal to you know just different countries and ethnicities and yeah, it was a great place to grow up.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't think of Florida at all like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's because it gets a bad rap. It gets a bad rap, but it's not. I mean there's because it gets a bad rap. It gets a bad rap, but it's not.
Speaker 2:I mean there's so Well, she's moving there to get a pool, so she's got to build it up.
Speaker 1:Matt is born and raised in Florida.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Grew up in the Tampa Bay area Born and raised, and there's like the way that we talk about it is there's three different sections. There's Central Florida, which is cool, from Tampa to Daytona.
Speaker 2:That is all very Okay. The belt, the belt, not even the belt, really the buckle of the boot, yeah, something like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right there in the middle.
Speaker 1:It's the I-4 corridor is what they say. I-4 goes east to west, so that's what they call it.
Speaker 2:That's some Florida insider, I think only Floridians would know.
Speaker 1:But then you have the Panhandle, which is like it's a little country. There's, like you know, jacksonville is there, which is cool, but then you've got like this vast area of just country land. So anything north of Tallahassee is kind of that, the Panhandle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like Gainesville, but Gainesville is like no Gainesville's cool. Yeah, because it's a college town. I love Gainesville, but Gainesville is like no Gainesville's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Gainesville's cool. I love Gainesville, gainesville is yeah, it's like I'm.
Speaker 2:Florida ignorant. I guess Gainesville is like where Fest happens, Yep.
Speaker 3:I used to go every year. It's like a huge punk rock and hardcore scene.
Speaker 1:And there's a Fest. It was much like War, yeah, forget it. Like everybody immediately knew who you were and you would be, back next year and like yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 3:Oh, fest was amazing. We started driving from Minnesota down to Fest Like oh my God, all the time it was crazy.
Speaker 2:It was so fun. So this, like the 90s or I mean it's still going yeah they still have fest every year.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I would say like, I would say like the height of it was like late 90s, early 2000s yeah still like cool. And now it's like, because it's caught on nationwide, like now bigger bands want to be part of it and that sort of thing, but it used to be like a really cool underground yeah, it would be like like think like hot water music against me.
Speaker 3:Um, I met the mastodon guys there like big bands played it all the time, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then like local bands, and then local bands yeah, new mexican disaster squad, yeah, army of punch like all these, like it's great japanese.
Speaker 2:To me this is yeah, yeah, well I I was living in Mexico in those years, like the late nineties, early two thousands Like I was on a different, you were getting well early. Two thousands I was, you're getting worldly uh experience, which is also very valuable.
Speaker 3:And we were getting punk rock experience. Yeah, so what were you going to say? The of Florida?
Speaker 1:So you've got the panhandle, so you've got like the buckle. Yeah, you've got the buckle. You've got like that's all part of, like the Bible belt of, they're all considered like that, that part, that's the South, if you will. And then you've got central Florida, which is very diverse from East to West, and then you and like beachy on both sides, and then, uh, you've Miami which is its own amazing little like pocket.
Speaker 3:I go every year.
Speaker 1:I love it. Amazing little like pocket. I go every year I love it from Fort Lauderdale down like you've got uh, what is it?
Speaker 2:what is it called the art festival in Miami? Oh, basel, yeah, which I mean comes from, yeah, basel, switzerland.
Speaker 1:But yes, every year I mean you have that, your Fort Lauderdale, which is like hoity-toity, like there's a lot of money in that area and it's really awesome. There's like the outlet malls down there are incredible and it's very like international there. Like, yeah, it's really awesome. There's like the outlet malls down there are incredible and it's very like international there. Like, yeah, it's, it's pretty great. Think about it.
Speaker 2:Florida is probably yeah, I've been to Miami. God. When I was young, I was a kid and then did a vacation at Key West which was super fun.
Speaker 3:You go to Hemingway's house, yeah, and like the fans with the spritzers.
Speaker 2:I was like, why isn't this everywhere? This is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the water you can walk around and drink everywhere and you get spritzed. Yeah, it's a big giant fan with water like blowing into the fan.
Speaker 2:So you just get this cool, I know.
Speaker 1:The theme parks have them. Well, I think Universal had them. I don't know if they still have them.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I feel like that would cause a brownout in New York. You know, yeah, people would steal the fan. I don't know the whole thing, yeah.
Speaker 3:But there's a lot of, I guess. Basically, what I want to say is there's a lot of diverse pockets in Florida.
Speaker 2:In the great state Way more than New York.
Speaker 3:Yes, the boroughs right, and then it gets pretty sketchy when you start going up.
Speaker 2:Same with Minnesota we have Minneapolis and St Paul, and then, once you start venturing, out, it gets a little sketchy. Idyllic little country towns where everyone's rich and white like Beacon and. Hudson and Kingston and all of those cute little things where people who make money in Manhattan can afford second level homes. Yeah, I know Anyhow. Yeah Well.
Speaker 3:Florida, florida, baby.
Speaker 2:I love it, so okay, so I do know things, but how did you come to New York?
Speaker 1:So Matt and I were recently married at the time. So this was in early 2009 2009, but probably around 2010 and I had told Matt he was you know. I was like, oh you know, is this? It is Florida where we're going to be, because it is it's also boring, it's suburbia, everything closes at 9, 30, like you know, unless you're downtown. But even downtown is getting like the government's kind of taking over and like taking all the parking away and it's like what do you?
Speaker 1:there's nothing fun to do as a young person, which is not true because the people that have stayed. So the other cool thing about Orlando is that it was very transient before people came. They went to college and then they left, or they would like families wouldn't stay. So probably in the last 10 years is when people started staying and opening businesses and practices and things like that. So now there's like a little bit of history and culture. People started staying and like raising families and now their kids are like in high school and that sort of thing. So like now it's becoming a city where people come and they don't leave, whereas before it was just like you're here for four years, you're going to UCF or whatever USF and then you disappear and then you just moved away.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot more culture and things that and like. There's a little pocket of east orlando downtown which is like the corinne drive area around like bumby um, my orlando friends are gonna be like yeah, but it's like north of winter park and um in, uh, east colonial drive area. So there's like a little pocket, um, and it's very cool. A lot of indie shops are there, like the record store I worked at for 10 or 11 years was there, was in Winter Park, originally John Cusack, yeah that was me, chicago maybe, or Zoe Kravitz, sorry.
Speaker 3:Actually, the book was written in England so I know it is very.
Speaker 1:I would say, yeah, it's very high fidelity, but also more Rex Manning, Because I worked at Park Ave CDs and they have we did like in stores and like record store day and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, wasn't that fucking fun. I worked at Tower Records too, and like that was. I was like it is Empire Records without the you know, the, the um, yeah, the theft.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean there was a lot of theft cause it was fun, cause we had in store, we had in store security, plain clothes, and that was really fun when we'd like triangulate and then like make eyes and we're like they got it down and they're like the country, but he's like he's pretending he's looking at country, but he's still anyway.
Speaker 2:Super fun, met all smashing pumpkins, all of them uh, we got tickets because we were also a ticket master outlet. Yeah, so we got first, I mean technically I think, some of the stuff we did first and super, super legal, but got first dibs and then like back in the day when um all the recording companies would send you like promo things or get you tickets to like local concerts awesome yeah like I saw fiona apple. I met jurassic park at their concert jurassic five.
Speaker 2:Jurassic five, you met dinosaurs I was like well, this is sorry, guys, you were so lovely, so lovely, and I'm sorry it was michigan winter and they were like what the fuck is this? Um, anyway, so that was. That was, I think, the coolest thing, and I think this generation loses that completely fun of waiting for midnight releases and like lining up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, lining up getting tickets.
Speaker 2:They just like wake up and it's on their phone like how right down auto downloads and like yeah I know, yeah, like oh gosh and the tactileness of like being around with other people and like touching, that's how I learned about bands. Back then I was reading the liner notes yeah, like, oh gosh.
Speaker 1:And the tactileness of like being around with other people and like touching this new album, that's how I like learned about bands back then I was reading the liner notes Like buying the CD or the cassette and like opening it and like reading like all the thank yous. I'm like, ooh, what band is that?
Speaker 2:No Use for a Name. Exactly what is that?
Speaker 1:Like being like really immediately going to the record store, like that weekend, and like, okay, taking the liner notes with me to be like all right, I need to find what is this band.
Speaker 2:What is this band? Can I listen to this? That was a really cool thing about even Tower Records. Yeah, we had listening. Yeah, and we got to be in charge of that. Sometimes we had things that we had to do for the companies, but a lot of it was just like staff driven where, like, everyone had their like niche yeah, and that's why I love too.
Speaker 3:We had um cheapo records and electric fetus and I think they're both electric fetus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, electric fetus sim store, yeah exactly and and but same thing.
Speaker 3:Like I just miss, like even the knowledge of the people that work there.
Speaker 2:Like hey, I'm really into your high fidelity hotel like what can you?
Speaker 3:and they're like, oh, you've got to check out broken social seed.
Speaker 1:You've got to check out.
Speaker 3:You know, like the new bell and sebastian exactly like whatever, um, and go through different genres too, you know. And then, next thing, you know you're in.
Speaker 1:You know you're 18, 19 years old and you're showing up like I used to dress like a hippie and then I showed up dressing like a punk rocker like I need the music to go along with my outfit you know it's totally into, like the part, the plaid shirt with the, like you know, the horn-rimmed glasses and the, you know like, buttoned all the way to the top.
Speaker 3:Oh, totally.
Speaker 2:You'd be such a cute little emo, right? Yeah, I was mad.
Speaker 3:Were you, emo. Oh, very Were you, am I not? I cry all the time Once.
Speaker 1:I had a music to go with it. It was like 180 real estate and mineral.
Speaker 2:I was like these are my people. So did you and your husband Matt? Did you guys meet in through music or did? Yeah, actually you guys had a band together.
Speaker 1:Right, we did have a band together, but we met. I was working at Park FCD, so I was working at the record store and Matt they had. We had a like a satellite location at UCF, so the University of Central Florida, in the student union. So we had this satellite store, which was great because then students would come in on their breaks or in between classes and listen to music, steal music, buy music. You know, it was great and he would come in and he and Mackenzie were flyering for their show. They were in a band called Sound the Alarm, not the Sound the Alarm.
Speaker 1:That then was like on like whatever big name label, we actually Sound the Alarm, their Sound the Alarm, got a cease and desist after they already start, like they were. Like we were first, what are you talking about? We have records out Like you, no, you stop. So anyway. But they were in a band called Sound the Alarm and they were flyering for their show and Mackenzie and I became friends and that's how I met Matt is just that we were like I was a record store girl and he was there and blah, blah, blah. And then years later we reconnected through a friend named Danny who had a website pre. This is like around when LiveJournal was around.
Speaker 1:So, like pre-MySpace pre this is like around when live journal was around, so like pre myspace.
Speaker 1:but he had his own site because he was into tech and so he, like, built his own site called don't fear the formula and it was just a way for like people to like chat, like an online chat kind of thing, and um, so I was robot princess out in california and matt was I don't even know what Tali, maybe something out in Florida and he was like, oh, this girl's so cool, yeah. And at that point I don't know if he knew that I was the same Melissa from Orlando at that point or not. But then, you know, I moved back from LA and then a year or two later he came to my 20th, 25th birthday party. He was the first one there and I was like, oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 2:He was the first one there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just a taco party. That's the movie A taco party.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he had to work because there was a concert. So he worked at the Social, which then was the Sapphire Supper Club, which then turned into the social, and he was working that night. So he came early so that he could like hang out and say happy birthday, have a couple of tacos and then go to work.
Speaker 1:But my party moved from my house to the venue because there was a concert that night and yeah, I just it was like a whole thing. So anyway, we ended up. We ended up dating like months after that. Oh, and then we ended up here because we got married in 2009. And got married in 2009 and then, a year after that, we were like is this?
Speaker 2:it is this you know there's got to be more.
Speaker 1:We've always just been hungry for more and our band, I think, at the time, had just broken up because we just got married. Our drummer had a baby. Our uh other keyboardist, scott, who plays Moog. Um, he was accepted. He was working on his PhD at the time in human computer interaction, which was so strange. Um, and then our bass player at the time, travis uh, was in the secret service, like so everything just kind of we were like everyone adulted yeah like really quickly, and we were like oh no, and everyone kind of like dispersed.
Speaker 1:And then and then you fast forward to just this past March. We did our 20-year reunion for our friends. Our friends have a bar of course. We always make friends with the bar owners.
Speaker 2:The secret to life, baby, secret to success, because you guys know, matt and I are very much.
Speaker 1:Let's sit at the bar and then we end up having a conversation and we're like you're cool Like we're not like. We have both worked in the service industry. We get it, we're not in any rush.
Speaker 2:Like you're in the weeds. Take your time. Literally, melissa, would be like you're swamped. Do you want me to go bust some tables? And I'm like kind of yeah. Kind of yeah, I would like buy you all the food and all the drink and all of this, and she would just see that I was in the weeds and, like, bust my entire restaurant. Well, many nights you'd be by yourself Because I like didn't schedule somebody or somebody called out. You're like yeah it's slow.
Speaker 1:Go home and you're like shoot.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, yeah but yeah.
Speaker 1:So I forgot my train of thought. Oh well, you just did the reunion show. Oh yeah, so our friends, bar Red Light, red Light just had celebrated their 20-year anniversary of being a business and they asked if we would come to play. And so Matt and I like wrote everybody really quickly and Mackenzie's in Massachusetts Travis was in at the time. He was in where was he? New Mexico? So he couldn't. He had something going on. But kenzie said, yes, I can come play bass. So she like busted her ass to like learn a bunch of songs. Um, and then, uh, scott is in florida. He said yes, patrick is still in florida. He said yes. And then it was me and matt and we're like, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:And I will tell you it was like the most fun, most amazing reunion of just like neighborhood people and regulars at the bar and people that came to the record store, which was like three doors down from the bar. It was just such a nice weekend of just like everybody just coming together.
Speaker 3:I love that.
Speaker 1:And to top it off, my six-year-old daughter was on stage with us, oh fuck. And she had her little silencing headphones.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she was sitting there.
Speaker 1:She was eating gummy bears out of a microphone sock. I was like what are you doing? You're so weird. And I was playing and she was tapping my leg like can you open this? And I was like I'm kind of busy.
Speaker 2:It was so sweet, so I have some of the best photos that I'm like, happy like that was.
Speaker 1:That's amazing best feeling ever.
Speaker 2:Is there a video of that, or is that there should be somewhere? Yeah, I can. I'll send it to you. Yeah, we should post that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's definitely a picture on my Instagram of holiday sitting behind me and me playing with my hair oh, I'll have to yeah, but yeah, that was fun yeah, I mean I think about, like I have dreams of reunion.
Speaker 3:You know, because I played in bands for years and years too, and, like I, always have dreams of reunion shows. But then I'm like I don't know if I could do what I used to do anymore the muscle memory is there, but is it?
Speaker 1:for me it was like such hard work for everybody else it was like, oh yeah, oh no, I kind of remember this and it would come to them so easy and I was like I don't know what the hell I'm doing, like.
Speaker 3:I literally.
Speaker 1:I would like sit there and cry and put the headphones on and like try to hear it. And I was like I just need Matt, was like do you want me to keep playing? I'm like no, just I need you to leave.
Speaker 3:So, that.
Speaker 1:I can like try to remember this, but it was yeah, that was really cool. Oh, and then to answer your question, because this is how I ping pong conversations. To answer your question, I asked Matt. I was like you know, where have you always wanted to live? He said New York City. I said okay, what's the worst thing that could happen if you applied to a company that you love and at the time it was Marvel and I said you know what's the worst thing that could happen?
Speaker 1:He said no, and then we stay here in Florida like, is that the worst thing that could happen? He was like, yeah, and I would work my like not dead-end job, but he's like. I think what happened for him was he was working at UCF and he was like managing the technology team or whatever, and he was eating a turkey sandwich and chips every day for lunch that he would bring from home and he was like, oh no, is this my ground?
Speaker 3:yeah, and he was.
Speaker 1:Day and he was like this makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Where some people thrive and like consistency.
Speaker 2:Routine and consistency.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he was like no. Like you know he's a creative person so it was just not in his blood. So he applied for Marvel and he got it and he made some really great friends that we're still friends with, and he went from there to Showtime and now he's at other places, yeah that's fucking awesome, though I mean he's low-key cool.
Speaker 2:He doesn't talk about how badass he is and all the things he's done.
Speaker 1:He is such a Leo, but also hates to talk about himself. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I love Leos, though they're the best, because that's exactly the way it is.
Speaker 1:He just wants other people to be like oh, other people to be like oh, how amazing are you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, exactly but he will never say it about himself, but it's also like a self-esteem thing. Yeah, I think also.
Speaker 1:He's also an amazing photographer oh, he really is that was his first major, and then the school, that UCF, and uh, he was going to go into photography and then they shut the, they like changed the program. They were like, oh, we're not doing this anymore they don't have photography, so you can do digital media and he was like what is that? Yeah, he did it um, and that's how he got into and and and blessing in disguise.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that opened up a whole other actual career path.
Speaker 1:That has been the constant for you guys yeah, but I'll say, like post-pand, matt and I both have like tried to like reignite some of those creative like loves, and for him it's photography and filmmaking and for me it's you know, acting and me going back to my conservatory and like learning really how to be an actor. I think at the Barrow Group was like really important and I think it was a good first step into like following our dreams. Well, one of the things was like having a kid and like looking at her and going, oh my god, what do you think she's gonna be when she grows up? And then being like she can be anything she wants. Follow your dreams, little baby. And then be like, oh god, are we doing that? Are we living by example? And it was a real wake-up call to be like what are our dreams like?
Speaker 1:right yeah, like, and just re-examining, like, oh god, I'm not happy doing what I'm doing right now working, you know in an office like nine to five with fluorescent lighting and that's that's.
Speaker 2:That's so. That's a great example for her. It's like, okay, you can walk the walk and talk the talk. It's like, okay, babe, yeah, follow your dreams, follow your passions and do all of this. But then I see my parents kind of just going through the motions and sustaining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like how boring is that Like nobody wants to.
Speaker 2:And that's why you left, and that's why you're here in the city. Yeah, it's hard sometimes I think we all go through that where we need to like, slap ourselves, be like, okay, we're here because of all of the opportunity, because of all of the options, to do trial and error, to figure out what fits, to figure out where we're succeeding, where we're thriving, where our passions are are burning the strongest flames. Yeah, and the city gives us that. It's just we have to do it.
Speaker 3:We just have to do it. Yeah, You've got to put the work in, obviously which is a lot easier said than done. Absolutely there is.
Speaker 1:So, uh, I took this class with a woman named Tricia Alexandro and it was about like following your she's, she's amazing, she does, she's amazing, she does a four-week like self-improvement, sort of like follow your dreams course, and it's incredible. And she's an amazing actor, entrepreneur, etc. And the exercises that she do is incredible. But it was like, you know, take your life and think of, like the word, the one word theme for last year. Like you know, you do this in January.
Speaker 1:Right, it's kind of like your mood board that you do every year right your vision board rather and it's like you think of the word what was last year, if you haven't done this yet, because if you do it the next year, you'll already have your word for this year. And it was like okay, so my word that year had been dream. I want, I dream about doing this and I'm envision it like I would love to do. I would love, oh, if only that was the word of the year for the previous year. And then she's like no, what's your word of the year this year? You know it's January. What are you going to manifest out of the theme for this year? And it was do.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that and I was like it doesn't matter what I do, I just have to do. I have to stop dreaming about it and I just have to do it.
Speaker 1:Action versus idea. Yeah, and then it is so amazing and wonderful how just one small shift in your thought process will make it happen, literally. I talked to a friend the other day who was like I remember people but I never remember their names. I'm really bad at names. I was like no, no, no, change it. Say I'm not good yet, but I'm getting better. And it's something I do with my daughter, and it is such a small shift in your mindset where you're like, oh, I'm actually pretty good at it.
Speaker 3:If you just say that you are, you actually start getting better at something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that, it's such a small thing. You're like oh, they come into the bar all the time, but oh, I'm so bad at names.
Speaker 2:It means that you are reinforcing the negative, yeah the negative.
Speaker 1:So if you're like, oh, I'm not good at it yet, but I'm getting better, but I'm getting better and you will actually get better at it.
Speaker 3:Oh, I love that it's really really fun Getting better all the time.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right. Well, that's going to be my new goal then.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not getting, I'm getting better, I'm getting better, I'm getting better.
Speaker 1:So like even taking compliments, like oh, I hate taking compliments.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I'm getting better at accepting what other people are saying yeah, no, I like You're just bloomerous as mine.
Speaker 2:No, i'm'm thinking about. What are the negative things that I repeat to myself, and I need to change that monologue.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, and this has been a challenging year for me, and I've been focused on a lot of like negative and loss and stopping and saying I'm grateful for all the things that are going well and that I have, but I also just need to get rid of the doubling down on the negative. Yeah, exactly, I feel like I'm pretty good with gratitude and expression of that to others.
Speaker 1:Like even changing, like something like a rejection, for example, because in acting that's all I deal with all the time. Oh, in writing.
Speaker 2:But even changing, that is like's all I deal with all the time. But like even changing, that is like oh, I got another rejection yesterday. Sorry, we took eight months to get back to you, but nah no but what were you saying?
Speaker 1:but yeah, like even like changing that rejection be like it wasn't the right project for me, yeah right like. I wasn't right for them. That's fine, whatever, but that wasn't the right project for me. Even as a shift in mindset, it was like, okay, that wasn't the right project for me. Even as a shift in mindset, it was like, okay, that wasn't the right agency for me. Like that because that opens the positivity door of you finding what is right for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah instead of like so we play this game. Uh, in summer camp with my, with the high schoolers that I was teaching in improv was um, it's epic rock paper scissors. And you do this with a big group of friends, which I find hilarious. If you were to ever stop, like if you had a party or if you had the bar, you're like hold up, hold up, hold up. Everybody stop. We're going to play epic rock paper scissors. And what it is is everyone finds a partner. You play rock paper scissors best out of two or best out of three wins and instead of of being like, oh, I lost, you immediately become the cheerleader, like you won, yeah, and then you find another champion, but you have a cheerleader that's coming with you, and then it just grows and grows, and grows and by the end it's like two competitors, like whoever is the two competitors, but there's never a loser and what it teaches is that there's.
Speaker 1:It's so much more fun to be happy for someone else's success right and to see the teenagers go, I was like, okay, tell me, tell me what you learned from this. They're like it was so fun. Can we do it again? I was like, yes, but why was it fun?
Speaker 1:they're like it was just so fun, not like focusing on somebody else, even though I'm not the pressure of competing, and just yeah yeah, and I'm like how fun is that like if we can just take that thought and keep going into college or keep going into high school and just being happy for other? People's successes it will all come back to you and so, like that's what I like to teach. But I'm like I'm preaching right now, but I was like, oh, how fun is that. And like I would love to like be like can everybody just stop for a minute?
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I just and it is so funny, it gets so freaking loud, like because everyone's like like literally cheering for like, and then it comes down to two people out of like 50 or whatever, and they're like you can do it, you can do it, and they're like two teams like like cheering for two people. But even then it's like those, like 25 people on the side that didn't win immediately. If you have like 49 people cheering, for this one person yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, on this side that didn't win immediately, as you have like 49 people cheering for this one person. Yeah, oh, I love that. It's really really fun, that's awesome. I know, like how can I do this in like real life? Yeah, no, it's true, but I mean like I think about, when I think about my 20s and my even my early 30s. I was such a not a negative Nancy, but kind of like very judgmental of, especially in the band world, right in the music world, like I was having like all these friends sort of become famous and popular and I was getting resentful or like, oh, my band's just as good, like why you know this negativity and I don't know what changed really. But it did happen in my 30s where I was kind of like you know what I'm just me yeah and either you're to like it or you're not.
Speaker 3:You're either going to like my music or you're not. But that doesn't mean that I need to view negatively on all these other people that are successful. You know, and I don't really know, maybe it was medication, I don't know that changed that, but it is nice to like once that burden is lifted off of you, that burden is lifted off of you, that burden of resentment, right, or that burden of yeah, of just envy, negativity, envy, exactly. It's kind of a game changer.
Speaker 1:I think that's a 40s thing like we're lucky if it happens in our 30s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I had a conversation with someone. She's like I'm 39, she's like you're 44, she's like it, like I'm like save for, like needing more sleep and like losing my hair and like the chin hairs and stuff. Like I was like it's pretty fucking rad. She said why? I said because I genuinely the fucks I give are gone.
Speaker 3:I know it's such. I don't feel I'm.
Speaker 2:I've given myself the power to say no to doing things, even things I enjoy. It's like no, I don't have to make an excuse for myself or others, just like I'm tired or I don't feel like it or I want to be with my dog or whatever, and taking ownership of no and not really caring what other people think what I'm wearing, what I'm doing, how like yeah right, we were just talking about like I haven't been wearing jewelry or makeup and and I'm not all Pam Anderson and Alicia Keys.
Speaker 2:It's just like no, I just, you know, I just don't feel, I don't. Yeah, it's just yeah. I want to put the effort in other places, but in my 30s part of my motivation, or like jumping into projects where I didn't feel super confident in, was always dumb people have done it and people who don't care as much as I care. So stupid people and people who don't care have done it.
Speaker 1:I care.
Speaker 2:I care and I'm not stupid, so I can. I can go for it Like opening up the restaurant.
Speaker 3:But that's kind of judgmental. Exactly that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, like that was definitely my thirties, where I used, where I was judging other people. I'm like you you didn't care, you didn't put in the work for this and somehow you're able to do it. Well, fuck, I give a. You know, yeah, and then now I don't feel that so much.
Speaker 1:I feel, just like it's my journey, it's my thing well, and I think that's that's the thing I was gonna say is that I think in the in your 40s, it is more about like your personal, like inner, like what, what's going to make me happy.
Speaker 2:Like what is?
Speaker 1:like I don't exactly Cause you give less bucks Like you care less about other people think, because you're not doing it, because they can do it. You're doing it because you, you want to do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're totally right, and building up others.
Speaker 2:It's like oh okay, I have learned some lessons and I do have some foundation, or I do have some skill set or toolkit. And if I see someone because now there's more people younger than me and I see somebody floundering and I'm like oh, let me help pick you up- Let me help teach you, but I think you've always done that.
Speaker 3:You've always been the person that's like oh, oh, let me connect you here. Yeah, your artwork in my restaurant.
Speaker 2:Or like you've always been that person to like help other artists. I hope so. Thank you, yeah, oh, but you want to do a question? Let's do some questions. Okay, we go some random. Oh yeah, these are so deep, oh my god, okay, I can't remember which is good.
Speaker 3:Other times they're a little weird.
Speaker 2:The done or the not done.
Speaker 3:I don't remember, we'll figure it out, okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're at like the halfway now. I think my goodness.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know.
Speaker 3:Exactly Okay, all right, we got one.
Speaker 2:Is there anything you regret not doing due to fear? Oh my god, this is so apropos, right?
Speaker 1:yes, oh, there's so many things right. I mean, I think I lived my entire 20s and 30s out of fear, right like. I was always I was afraid to go after the things.
Speaker 1:A lot of his imposter syndrome like oh I'm not, I'm not good enough or I don't know enough or I'm not experienced or I haven't taken enough classes to know what I'm talking about, and so I think that truly improv changed that for me, because it is about well at the pit. It's like the motto of like follow the fear, follow your foot. Like are you, are you afraid of something? Then you should. That should be the thing that you're doing or going after, because that is something inside you going like oh, it has meaning yeah, whether you know it or not, you don't care, you don't fear things that you don't care about.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, and I think yeah, like I've.
Speaker 1:I mean, there has never been a doubt in my mind that I wanted to be an actor. I wanted to be. I have been doing it since I was, you know, three, four, five years old.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Um, but I have always been afraid of it. I've always been afraid. Well, I'm not so-and-so or I don't have family that's in the industry or I don't know anything. My dad was in the Air Force and my mom worked in fast food. It was like, oh, I don't come from that background, or I don't know what I'm doing. I didn't know how to get into it so I was afraid of even trying. I was accepted in NYU when I was 18 to go to college, and I was afraid of moving to New York and leaving my sisters behind, and I like, yeah, it was so, I was, you know.
Speaker 1:It was like, oh, I applied, I auditioned, I got in and I didn't go.
Speaker 3:I because I was afraid, yeah, so yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 1:That's the regret that I have, that I was and it's like twofold. I'm like, don't regret it, because I was there for my sisters like they're much younger than me and I got to grow up with them a little bit longer. And then I moved to LA and again I was like afraid of everything there yeah um, and then moved home because I was too afraid to even try anything.
Speaker 1:So, and then, when we got here to New York, that was what happened is like I kept seeing this, this, like you know, sandwich board outside. It was like follow the fear, follow the fear.
Speaker 2:99 bucks, you know level zero improv.
Speaker 1:And um, I was like, ah, and then I had met, we had gone to comic-con in San Diego and I met an agent out there who was a friend of somebody that was on Matt's podcast back then and she was like, are you an actor? And I was like no, and she was like you really should be. And I was like, oh really, she's like take an improv class and then call me and I was like what? Well, that's a thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so it was like oh my God, that sandwich board has been like talking. You know, oh my God, that sandwich board has been like talking.
Speaker 3:You know the universe. Yeah, totally yeah, exactly the universe definitely does that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I did that, and it was 2015,. I think when I took the first improv class and here I am now like teaching beginner one and the barrel group and, yeah, like teaching camps and coaching one-on-one and it's like so fun and lovely and I'm like improv really changed everything for me. It's like, and it's not like what? The last like improv, like uh thing that I want to say. It's like it's not yes and right.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows improv is yes, and, but the way that I've been reframing that is like you're saying yes because you're accepting what is being thrown at you and the and is just adding information, so you're accepting what life is giving you and what are you going to do with that?
Speaker 3:right, right so.
Speaker 1:I think that's. It's really like. That is the like basis of improv, right yeah like it has really changed my life so oh yeah, great answer right, yeah answer sorry, no full circle book ended it was yeah, I know I don't the perfect answer, I think that was perfect.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, I think, the same thing that fear is. I've, I've told myself this if I'm afraid of it, it has meaning Um, and I don't believe in regrets and I don't ever want to be afraid of things. Um, I can be not good at something and I can be nervous, but I don't want to not do something because I'm afraid. And that has been a motivation since I was a kid, like throwing myself in stupidly, sometimes unprepared, and like completely naive or dumb and confident, without any skill set to back it up. But if it scared me then it was like, oh, I'm interested in it Right.
Speaker 2:Not that I don't hesitate, yeah, but yeah, I think I've really tried to push myself away from fear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I think that why like Inside Out and Inside Out 2 movies are like so important? To like as an adult watching it. I mean I just I sob every time I see either of them yeah there's so many, so many beautiful moments in those movies, but fear is such an important part of our inner. Like is it? What is it called the? Not ego, but whatever you know our brain, it's like part of us right.
Speaker 1:And they also make core memories and like it's this whole thing where you're like, oh, it's an essential part of my being, but there are other components that are like all for it, you know. So, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:Anxiety. That's my battle. But and then, like, I still do things, but I am gotten better acknowledging the anxiety, and the anxiety comes from fear and I push through, but I can't stop the anxiety part yeah, she's strong and she's you can embrace it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I was just I haven't thought about this in years, but just everything that we're just talking about. Like you know, I used to get so scared on stage that I would shake like a leaf, like throw up, like one of those people that would throw up before we'd go on stage, and I'd shake and then turn the shaking into part of the act.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 3:I just embraced it, you know, like I would watch singers shake on stage and I kind of thought it was cool and so I just embraced the fact that that's what would happen. So I think turning the fear kind of basically what you were saying, you know, turning that fear into something positive and productive, is sort of you know defining it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And then this overwoke and trigger-warning kind of word. Focus on words now, but I do appreciate people talking about being anxious and I feel that me sharing when I am out loud takes away some of the strength of it because I know that. I am not alone because we're having more of these conversations of insecurities, anxieties like validated or not, like whatever. I can't stop. I'm feeling like this, yeah. And so me just saying it out loud, gives it less power Absolutely, and creates community.
Speaker 3:It? Does I mean it? Does You're letting other people know? Like hey, I'm right there with you, man, Like I am also freaking the fuck out, you know, I think even when you're alone.
Speaker 1:You like, say it to your house plants yeah, totally my dog, yeah, all the time. Say it in the mirror like I'm freaking out and just giving it less power. Wow, I'm full of anxiety, um, but then, like, what's the next step? Right, like, how do you change that into something? What can I do with this extra energy that's trying to escape?
Speaker 3:right, they say jumping jacks actually you ever heard that? No, um I remember my I had a psychiatrist and psychologist always tell me if you get really like anxiety or like you're about to have a panic attack, jumping jacks because it gets adrenaline going uh, push-ups or push-ups, yeah, same thing, yeah, yeah but it's supposed to really help. I mean, I remember doing them all the time.
Speaker 1:You'd think I'd be way more fit, because then you're firing all your.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, right, get your synapses. Agreed Me too babe Juice up, yeah, all right. All right Well how's everyone feel that was, that was so good. All right, let's see. Oh, you want to do one more quick one? Uh-oh, oh, okay, okay. What work were you doing the last time you forgot time altogether? What? What were you doing the last time that you just like forgot time? I guess I think, well, writing yeah.
Speaker 3:Always, when I'm writing, I just like one minute it's 1 pm, the next one it's 1 am. Yeah, you know, know, kind of thing I forgot to eat, I forgot to pee, I forgot to do everything, because I'm just writing same thing uh.
Speaker 2:I was writing the other day and I was in a flow and Ken texted me and I'm like stop. I was like I love you and I can't. We'll talk later. I'm like in the zone right now and and uh, yeah, and I love that and I love revisiting something that comes from that space, cause sometimes I sit down and I'm like I have to write and I have to go it, but then sometimes it just like you're in this tunnel and then you go back and you're like I don't remember writing that it's like it's familiar.
Speaker 2:It sounds like me, but I don't remember. Like that's the coolest fucking thing.
Speaker 1:That like that's the coolest fucking thing. That's so cool. Um, how about you, melissa, acting? Yeah, see, yeah, I think that. Yeah, I was like trying to think about it when you guys were like, when was I was gonna like, of course, I was like, oh, when I'm teaching improv, but no, it's like when I'm actually performing it's like I'm like oh, that was it like time is over and I'm like oh you get to disappear, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm like oh wow, that's a really good like inner passion, like sneaky question.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was, I guess it was.
Speaker 2:It's like what do you need to do? Uh-oh.
Speaker 1:What do you need to do? What do?
Speaker 2:you need to do to. I need to pee. I feel like Rita's bladder is on a 45 minute timer.
Speaker 3:I think it is too.
Speaker 2:I think we need to do a bathroom break before we start recording. I do.
Speaker 3:I do both.
Speaker 2:I'm old man yeah, it happens it does happen incontinence at mid 40s.
Speaker 1:I know exactly exactly but don't ask the doctors, because they have no idea how our bodies work.
Speaker 3:No, they don't, especially as women.
Speaker 2:And the perimenopause, shit like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a black hole of information.
Speaker 3:All right, I've been on a Google rabbit hole. Let's get a whole other podcast.
Speaker 2:We're going to do. It's just women in our 40s Exactly. It's actually not a bad idea. Honestly, in their 40s. Exactly, it's actually not a bad idea, yeah.
Speaker 3:Honestly.
Speaker 1:I love it. Boom. We'll talk about how we don't give up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And this hurts and this grows and this doesn't, and yeah, all right, love it. All right, darling, well thank, you for taking a chance on us again, oh my.
Speaker 3:God Anytime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this like the third time, maybe I think so. Third time's a charm exactly. Yeah, things come in.
Speaker 2:Threes all the good things yeah, exactly, I love it, I love it all right, babies. Well, sunday, sunday thank you so much love you both. Thank you yay.
