Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions
Clear skin and aging beautifully conversations, trainings and challenges by Dr. Stacey Shillington ND.
Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions
Hollie's Clear Skin Journey
Clear skin doesn't come from a tube or pill – it happens when you finally address what's causing your acne from the inside out. In this enlightening conversation, Coach Holly shares her remarkable journey from struggling with persistent cystic acne to becoming a functional nutritionist who helps others heal their skin naturally.
Holly's story will resonate with anyone who's been told that birth control, antibiotics, or harsh topicals are the only solutions. Despite years of conventional treatments, her acne persisted until she discovered how deeply connected her skin issues were to her digestive health, hormones, and nervous system function. The transformation wasn't just about her skin – it changed the entire trajectory of her life and career.
What makes this episode particularly valuable is the practical wisdom shared about healing acne holistically. You'll discover why most women with acne also struggle with other health issues like digestive problems, irregular periods, or anxiety – and why treating these root causes creates lasting results that medications simply can't achieve. Holly and Dr. Stacey provide candid insights about their approach, including when testing is necessary, the critical importance of nervous system regulation, and why so many clients unexpectedly improve their fertility while clearing their skin.
Whether you're dealing with occasional breakouts or severe cystic acne that's affecting your confidence and quality of life, this conversation offers a refreshing perspective that honors your body's innate healing wisdom. Ready to understand what your acne is really telling you about your health? This episode might just change everything about how you approach clear skin.
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Welcome to Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions, where we heal your acne from the inside out. Hello, beauties, and welcome to the Clear Skin Sessions. I have a really special podcast today because I'm going to introduce Holly. Holly Corcom Sears. She is one of my amazing coaches in the Advanced Clear Skin Program and something that I just love. Well, I love so many things about Holly, but she was one of my very first patients when I started my online program back in like 2017. So Holly and I have known each other forever. We've gone through her clear skin journey together and since then she's she's been on her own journey. Anyways, I want her to tell you about her journey. I think it's going to resonate with a lot of you. So, holly, my friend, welcome Hi this is fun, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, holly can talk your ear off. She is a fantastic conversationalist, so I know this is going to be super entertaining. She like makes me laugh every single day, so no pressure, Holly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's hope I don't run off on too many side missions in this conversation.
Speaker 1:Well, why don't you start by telling us a little bit about you and let's talk about your clear skin journey? And you know your the history with your acne and how you came to clear it?
Speaker 2:amazing. Yeah, so I am from Nova Scotia but I've been living internationally for the last 15 years. So I was living in the Caribbean and then in Abu Dhabi in the UAE for the last 12 years and I just recently moved back to Canada this month, which has been a big transition. But for me, I always had acne and I also always had stomach problems. So I come from a family who has bad stomach, which you know. We know that that can be a lot of different things involved in that, but never was really careful with what I ate. And then, you know, as I got into my teens and my early 20s, my skin got worse and worse. In my 20s I started kind of looking for more holistic ways to heal it. Birth control didn't really make a difference. It made me feel terrible, super moody, and I know that's, you know, kind of a similar story that a lot of women have.
Speaker 2:I did, you know, antibiotics for a period of time, but I really didn't like. Even then, when I was younger and I wasn't really into this natural medicine world, it didn't really sit with me to be taking antibiotics on a regular basis. So I didn't continue with that and it also didn't really sit with me to be taking antibiotics on a regular basis. So I didn't continue with that and it also didn't help and I was just kind of doing, you know, in the 90s we were doing proactive, we were doing, you know, benzoyl peroxide, all of those things, and they never really did that much. So I did some work with, actually, one of my bosses that I was working for in my 20s and she's like you can't have this on your face all the time, like I was doing a little bit of modeling, I was working in the fashion industry, and I was like not feeling well all the time and then also my skin was not, it was just very. It was never severe but just not very nice.
Speaker 2:I did get very, can you describe it? So my skin was very cystic, not lots, but it would be like cysts a lot of the times on the cheeks, especially kind of in this area, which we know is more kind of maybe gut related, which you know I wasn't feeling well. Digestive wise either. I was having like IBS, more on the diarrhea side of things, very sensitive to a lot of foods. I knew I had a dairy sensitivity for sure, because everybody in my family does. I could not eat ice cream even then or it would be not very good. But yeah, very cystic but not severe, never small bumps, just like those big under the skin pimples that felt like they would take weeks to come up to a head and then you'd be poking at them all the time. And then you know, I still have scars on my face for from going, you know, nightly picking and pulling and all the things and just like doing so much damage to my skin.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of got really bad then and I saw a holistic practitioner who did this testing that I don't even know if it exists anymore, and they told me I'm very sensitive to cow milk and a number of other things so I cut those out of my diet. I started taking probiotics and it got a little bit better. And then, you know, as things went on, I had two children. My skin was completely clear during both pregnancies First trimester really bad, which I think is very common for a lot of women, and also bad cold sores, which is pretty yucky, and then kind of by that, like week 12, 14, where, like the morning, sickness would start to fade. Then my skin would become beautiful. I could have like smeared butter all over my face and nobody would have noticed any. You know difference at all that I would be acne prone at all. Then, as soon as my babies would be around like six months old and we would start to introduce food and then they would stop breastfeeding as much and then my menstrual cycle would come back. Then my skin would come back to the way it was. So for sure there's a hormonal component in there as well. But after my second baby, when I was kind of mid 30s at that point and I had my babies two years apart to the day they were born on the same day, two years apart, and the second one was not planned. I was going to have a second baby, but it was very, very stressful to have two babies that close together and they didn't sleep and after that baby started to eat again and my menstrual cycle came back. My skin just went worse than it had ever been before, like loads of cysts all over my cheeks. Not any period of time where I didn't have one pimple on my face. There was always something there, and so I just wasn't able to fix it with anything else and I had, you know, been eating kind of paleo style.
Speaker 2:That was kind of you know, early 2010s. That was kind of really what was going on and I found that helpful. So I was already trying to like, trial and error, some different things and then, for whatever reason I don't know, the algorithm pushed naturopathic beauty towards me and I was remember I was actually in Canada during the summer and I was having, you know, summer holidays and my skin was just awful and I was like I need to do something about this. I was also thinking about starting either naturopathic school or going back to to be a holistic nutritionist or something like that. At the time, I had been a yoga teacher and you know I was working in fashion a little bit off and on, but I had really wanted to switch what I was doing. And this kind of you know came at a great time because I worked with you and at the time it was the group program. So this was 2017. It was a group program, seven weeks. I think it was a seven, seven week clear skin program.
Speaker 1:It was the seven week clear skin program and this is the program that I initially put out after about 12 years of working in a dermatology clinic and I was burnt out, like I was like I cannot see another patient. So I took a break and during this time I was like I know what I'm going to do because I'm not seeing patients right now. I'm going to write an online program. So I spent a summer writing this program. I put it out into the world and literally, holly was the very first person, or one of the first five people, to purchase the program. I'm serious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you did such a good job because I would have never known that I was the first group to go through there. But yeah, it was not fancy. There was no like fancy graphics, it was just like a. It was a book online that we went through and then there was weekly coaching calls, the same as what you're doing now I think we're modifying that a little bit but weekly coaching calls and lots of support in the Facebook group and really kind of just figured it out. And you know, looking back, I probably did like all the things at once and I felt really terrible for the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2:I remember I did a candida protocol, which we don't use as much now, called Clear 4. And I kept having fevers and I kept going to the doctor and asking them what was going on, but we weren't using binder back then. I mean, the program has evolved so much. But, that being said, we still I still made it through and I started around September and by Christmas of that year my skin was totally clear and I could understand what my triggers were.
Speaker 2:Excuse me why I was using that Candida protocol, but I, you know, I pushed through, I did it, I figured it out and we got there and I was completely inspired to help other people feel this way, because, you know, we all know so many people, so many women which I think why a lot of us come to this work that they're not getting answers from their doctor. Like if I knew at this age, when I was 35, that was, you know, 10 years ago if I would have gone to my doctor and asked them what to do, it would have been back on birth control pills spironolactone, accutane and you know that would have not fixed the issues that were really going on, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think when women go to their doctor, even today, those are the same solutions that they're being presented with. You know, western medicine has just not kept up with the research because really everything that we do is research based and you know, the medicine just hasn't kept up with it. So we need we need other solutions to heal our acne, because the medications and the prescription topicals they're not doing it. They're not actually addressing what's going on inside and what's causing the acne, which, so much of the time, are these deep infections, which is what you experienced.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally, and I think there's so many women out there that have acne that know that acne is not their only problem. Very, very rarely and now I've been working with Stacey since 2023, the beginning of 2023, there's very few women that come to us that acne is their only thing that they have going on Like often we see, you know menstrual cycle irregularities, digestive issues. You know food sensitivities, problems with sleep. Lots of you know anxiety, depression, all of these things and all of that's you know related Acne, as you know you talk about on this podcast, is just a symptom of deeper things that are going on. It's it's a cry. It's a cry for help.
Speaker 2:And you know, if, if I didn't have acne, um, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today, which is, um, working with functional medicine to help other women clear their acne. Um, and also, you know I would never would have probably became so good at makeup. And also, you know I would never would have probably became so good at makeup because I had to do so much to cover up my terrible skin for so many years. I became like the makeup guru. And then the other thing is I would have never become a functional nutritionist because just wouldn't have interest. It wouldn't have interested me.
Speaker 2:You know and this I think the same reason why you became a naturopath I was like I am a very like I'm not. I would say I'm a type B person. But when it comes to like we need to fix something, I am very like okay, let's make a plan, let's do it. We're not gonna sit around and just, you know, wait for things to get better when we're not going to change anything. Let's make some changes and figure it out. And you know, I think that's the direction forward.
Speaker 1:It's not just the skin that's going on Like let's do all your blood work, you know. Let's see what the blood work's saying, let's do your GI mapping, let's do your oat testing, let's do any other testing that you know may be relevant for you, and let's really understand what's going on With us. We don't really accept band-aid solutions, you know. We really want to figure it out, which I love. I love it. You really want to figure it out, which I love. I love it's like, you know, putting pieces of a puzzle together.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's really fun and I and I enjoy it, and we do.
Speaker 2:We do quite a bit of testing and I think, like you don't need all the testing. I think probably for at least half of the people out there that have acne, that testing is not completely like the be all end all like I think it's very important for a certain percentage of people for sure. But I do think you know trial and error. You can do that on your own. A lot of the times, like especially with your group program. There's questionnaires in there that can help you figure out what might be the root cause of your acne and will guide how you choose to supplement and what to focus on. As you're, you're trying to help yourself. And then there's other people you know. You know you have autoimmune diseases or you've got hypothyroid or you've had chronic anemia, or you know you've had multiple miscarriages and you know that there's like some strange things going on with your cycle. Those are the people where we have to you really kind of open up the hood and take a look at what's going on, cast like a really broad net and see what can come back, because often those people have worked with other practitioners in the past and they just have not, you know, seen results. The other group of people that do really well with one-on-one are those people who have lots of, you know, issues with emotional stuff, because I find that sometimes people can get very overwhelmed trying to do it on their own Not that you can't, but if you're easily overwhelmed by the amount of information that's in there and it's great that there's so much information in that group program those people who need a little bit more guidance because of overwhelm can do really well with the one-on-one program. But I think most people out there you know we can, we can, you can figure it out without testing.
Speaker 2:I love testing. Testing is amazing for also, like if you're kind of on the fence about whether you want to spend the money and go through this like three to six month protocol, or you know you really need validation that I have a gluten sensitivity to finally cut gluten out of your diet, that testing can be very important. Just to you know, put your mind at ease that you're moving in the right direction. And the other thing with testing is it can get us across the finish line way faster because we see exactly what's going on. The three tests that we do with most people we can really we do blood, stool and urine and we can see pretty much everything that's going on. If we can't, then we'll do other testing, but with that trio of tests we know what we have to do. It doesn't mean it's not going to take time, but we do know exactly what's going on. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:And we put together a good strategy, but the one. The one thing that I do want to mention about the group program is that you know, in my career and you know working with you as well, we've seen so many different lab tests, so we understand the general acne patterns in about 90% of the people Exactly.
Speaker 1:You know, like I can. I can guess what's going on. I mean, I've been doing this for 20 years and so that's really what the group program is based on and that's the program that you went through in 2017. Although it's definitely been up leveled a lot since then. But, you know, that's why I love the group program, because not everybody can afford, you know, the one on one coaching and doing all the functional lab tests. But the group program is really great for people that you know just have that ability to go through a program on their own. And this program is going to be successful about 90% of people because we understand, after seeing all these lab tests and working with all these people, what's going on with acne and how to solve it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Exactly. And and you've just recently updated it as well, which is amazing we work. You know what's happening with our, you know, clients one-on-one. We try things. We say this is not working, we'll go back to the group program and we'll take this supplement off that we don't like or say we suggested a moisturizer and they've changed the ingredients, which happens more than I would like it to happen. We'll go back and we'll take that off. Like, we update that group program all the time. It's constantly evolving based on what we're seeing.
Speaker 2:I think we're very good and not everybody does this, not to toot our own horns, but we're very good at like being very. We pivot very easily when things are not like working or when the science has changed, and I don't think so often. You know medical practitioners do that. They get, you know, set into. This is the way that we're doing and everybody does this. We're very, very focused on you know everybody is super individual and our treatment is also very individual. That in the one on one program as well as the group program, the group program allows you to be very individual. That in the one-on-one program as well as the group program, the group program allows you to be very individual in what you feel is best for you and where you need to focus the most as well. You're not going to just get that in the one-on-one program.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no that we. Yeah, we spend a lot of time researching, changing, talking about our patients. Like we talk about our patients all the time. We're always on a WhatsApp chat or we meet via Zoom once every two weeks and we talk about our patients, what's working, what's not working, brainstorm different ideas. So nobody's ever working in a silo. It's a real group effort. I love that about how we work together. It's fun for us, it keeps us super interested, it keeps us on our toes and it gets great results for our patients Totally, totally.
Speaker 2:And now we have Nellie as well, so we have that other, you know third person coming in. She's a little bit younger than both of us and I think it's just like a really great thing to just kind of you know, very easily change when we see something's not working and, you know, bounce ideas off off each other and then also celebrate the wins when people are doing really well, especially those people who you know have taken some time to get better. You know there's it's. So it's such amazing work, such rewarding work, to see people's lives totally change with this type of thing that we're doing, because acne sometimes is the last thing that gets better.
Speaker 2:It's also like weight loss. You come to somebody for weight loss and that's like all the other things are getting better but the weight's not falling off. I find it's very similar to the journey, like you're doing all the things and until everything is kind of fallen in line, like the sleep is better, my menstrual cycles fixed, I'm not, you know, having severe reactions to foods, but my acne is still happening, but it just sometimes takes a little bit longer than we'd like it to, and when that sort of finally falls into place, it's, you know, it's just amazing to see, to see that it's transformative.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's transformative. It's funny. A few years ago I did a you know kind of a poll with all my patients Like what, how did you feel after finishing the program? And I would say that, like 85% of people use the term life changing because it really is. You know, when your skin clears, when your body heals, everything shifts. You know, like the way you spend your time, the way you spend your energy and your money, how you feel about yourself.
Speaker 2:Like it's, it's an overall shift, it's pretty profound Totally, especially when people get pregnant halfway through the course.
Speaker 1:How many times has that happened to us All the time?
Speaker 2:We have to stop your protocol because, as you know, you can't do like deep detox work or like parasite cleanses or those sorts of things while you're pregnant. But, you know, a lot of times these are women who haven't had a menstrual cycle or, you know, have been on birth control and spironolactone for so long and have been like terrified to come off it because their acne was so horrible before they started it. And then you know, either they'll come off and they'll be fine, or you know they'll all of a sudden start getting their period and then they'll get pregnant. You know, not planned, but not you know not planned just because we've, you know, got to a point where the body is feeling safe, we're ovulating again, nutrients are back where they need to be and, you know, maybe their acne is not completely healed, but at least the body has said, okay, it's fine for you to get pregnant now, which is like a huge sign of health and such an amazing thing to see, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's super exciting, I would say that we're putting people's programs on pause, like regularly, because they're pregnant. At one point I was thinking we should maybe call this the acne slash fertility program.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly no, but it's great. It's great and yeah, I think it's just. It's, it's the. The emotional side of things. The you know that comes with having acne is just can be so debilitating, and for me I don't find that it really affected me. But I do see some women that come through. They're just, you know, some to the point where they're not leaving the house or they said no to a date or they're, you know, not wanting to present something at work because they just feel like they look not the way they would like to. That gives them enough confidence to do anything. And just allowing people to feel comfortable to live their life fully, that's like just so so rewarding for sure, and I'm glad that we can do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's life changing. It changes people's lives healing. There's nothing like it. No-transcript easier to make a diet change or to take a supplement, but when we can really dig into that aspect of healing and we do have an entire program that's within our program that focuses on that it's pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 2:Totally, and I also think that's the part that people don't like to come to terms with the most.
Speaker 2:I feel like some people just want to do more testing, more testing, more changing of protocols, working with different practitioners over and over again, when, often with acne and we see it often, I see it a lot in blood work and sometimes also in the Dutch test, when we're looking at, you know, hormones, stress hormones specifically is that this has been going on for a really long time and sometimes we even see, you know, gut testing and there's really not that much like there's stuff we could work on.
Speaker 2:Like you know, most people have H pylori. Most people have, you know, a little bit of, you know, imbalance in digestive enzyme production, that sort of thing, but a lot of times it comes back to why was the gut not working in the first place? So why does H pylori overgrow? H pylori often overgrows because the immune system has been weak and often, you know women, as we get older, the immune system gets weaker. When we've been under a lot of stress or we've been not sleeping properly, or you know we've been, you know, in college, or we've had babies too close together, and that's kind of where it's, or there's a buildup of toxins in the body as well, which is a huge one.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's another one. That's huge. But you know people want to say this is what's? You know a bacteria or whatever that's there that they need to kill and that will make them better. But we also have to go upstream, farther, and think why has that overgrown in the first place?
Speaker 2:So there's a couple of different things. It can be genetics. You know that make you a poor detoxer. You have toxins building up, for sure.
Speaker 2:But another thing that we see quite often is you know too much stress and not enough sleep and not dealing with that.
Speaker 2:And you know sometimes we do all the things, all the things, but if we're not sleeping, saying no, reducing our high intensity exercise, not having coffee on an empty stomach in the morning, lots of protein at every meal, you know working if you're, if you have past trauma working through that with somebody, you know working if you're, if you have past trauma working through that with somebody, then the other things are not going to get you across the finish line a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:And you know we need to. That's why, in the group program as well as when we work one-on-one with people, we will start. We start with nervous system stuff, start with nervous system regulation because we got to sleep and even in our foundational protocols, where we start people, we're like doing magnesium glycinate, we're doing GABA, we're doing L-theanine, you know if those are right for people, of course, but we're get, let's sleep and reduce stress for a time before we even start moving towards eradication protocols, and I think that that's, you know, something that people don't want to deal with, but is really something that we have to focus on throughout the to begin with, but also throughout the whole acne healing journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's really foundational because if you're stuck in your survival nervous system, your body's not going to heal. It's just not in a place to heal. You're stuck in survival, your body's focusing on surviving, it's constantly looking outside for a threat and your body's not able to let down and actually heal. And that's what we need to do and that's why that work is absolutely so foundational. We have to do it and you know it's it's not easy to do a lot of the times, which is why I think it's so overlooked.
Speaker 1:We're so trapped in this state, in this sympathetic nervous system. It's actually hard, it's difficult to come down from there, but we have to. And when we do that and when we take that time and that's why we like to do kind of like a six week mini protocol before we actually dive into the deep healing. And this six week mini protocol is so critical because it does start to rebalance the nervous system. It does start to, you know, do some detox work, do some nutrients, you know, building within the body. And once we're at that state, then when we dive in and we start doing the deeper healing, you know that's when things really start to accelerate and healing really happens. Exactly, we're obsessed with this. Can you tell? Can you tell we could talk about this all day. We could, we do.
Speaker 2:We do, do we do and you? You should be happy we do because we do it for you exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, so any other? Like final words that you want to share with all these beautiful women that are listening to us, many of whom are suffering with acne?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know I could go on and on and I do. I could go off on so many tangents right now in so many different directions, but you know, I think if you have acne at all, it doesn't have to be like you look like an ogre that you feel like you. It doesn't need to be that extreme. If you have any acne at all or are getting acne on a regular basis, there's something that needs to be fixed and you may not need to pay, you know, to be work with us one-on-one. We would be happy to have you, but you may not need to pay to work with us one-on-one. You can, you know.
Speaker 2:First, the first thing I would do is start listening to the podcast. Do the podcast, the challenges, because even just for most people, if you haven't, you know, started working with functional medicine or natural health, changing things up in your diet and your lifestyle first, you know, those challenges that you have in the podcast will really kind of start moving the needle and for some people, that may be all you need. You may need to just remove cow milk and some supplements that you were taking that you didn't realize were making things worse and, you know, maybe B12 and biotin in your hair care supplement. You know, hair, skin, nail supplement. Those are terrible for people with acne, Like even people who don't have acne on a regular basis. They will flare you for most people. So some people, even just doing those things and removing those things will get you there. If not, the group program is you know most people can handle that. You know you can get in there. Do the little quizzes, go through all of the things, figure out you know what you need to focus on and dig a little bit deeper there.
Speaker 2:If that's overwhelming or you've come, you've already worked with many practitioners and it's you've got a lot of other things going on, lots of symptoms then you know taking a call with one of Stacey's team and figuring out if one-on-one is right for you is would be the next step and we can really, really we can. We'll help everything in there Body, mind, spirit. We figure out what's going on and that's where we really really dive deep and that that process is longer, like that. Usually takes us about six months for most people to work through that. But you know, if you come to us with a lot of deep infections that have been going on for a long time, you know that may take longer. You may need to work with us for a year, and that's okay.
Speaker 2:You know, often we say and I think you've talked about it before in this podcast that you know for every year that you've been unwell, it's going to take us a month of work to to try and you know, reverse that. So you know, some people come in and they're like, why am I not better after three months? But we really need to think about how long. Things have been not ideal and you, you know we've got to just keep working, especially when you've got a lot of nervous system stuff going on. That's usually the people who want to be better tomorrow, but often those people need a little bit longer. And yeah, so there is something within the naturopathic beauty world for everyone. And whether your skin is, you know you've just got a little niggly acne that bothers you. You know, once a month or things have been really bad for a long time and you've done all the things and it's not working and you're very unwell. There's a place for us to help everybody, and in all budgets as well, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I think we've done a really good job of setting things up so that there's something for everybody and you know we are here to help you. We have so much experience. I've been doing this for 20 years. I mean, holly's been working with me for years and Holly is so smart. I just want everybody to know how smart she is. She's actually memorized the reference ranges for blood work.
Speaker 2:So I mean, yes, I do have like severe ADHD and it is my hyper focus and I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't. Like you know, sometimes I go I've anybody. I'm sure a lot of women out there have ADHD or they've been recently diagnosed because it's been a thing. It's been a thing in the last couple of years, but you can't sometimes choose what that path that you're going to be on that day is. But thankfully for me, the memorization of random health facts and numbers has been something that stayed with me forever. I may have a touch of autism, I don't know, but those numbers just stick in there. Some people are like how do you remember these things? I don't know, but those numbers just stick in there.
Speaker 2:Some people are like how do you remember these things? I don't know, I don't remember what I ate for breakfast yesterday, but I can tell you the functional reference range for DHEAS.
Speaker 1:You blow my mind all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, it's really incredible. I always look at reference ranges all the time, and I have for 20 years. So, yeah, that's definitely a gift, but, but, anyways, I think we're ready to like welcome you into our world, thanks. So check out the links in the show notes. I have a link there to the free masterclass and in that masterclass I'm going to teach you the basics of how we address acne. There's also the link to the group program and to book a call if you're, if you're, interested in working with us one on one. So we are sending you so much love, so much healing energy, and thank you so much for listening. And Holly, thank you so much for listening and holly, thank you so much for being on with me thank you for having me.
Speaker 2:This is my first podcast, so so much fun. You're a natural you're a natural.
Speaker 1:We're gonna do more together, for sure we'll. We'll dive into deeper topics. You know holly will be with me and it's always going to be entertaining makeup and blood work.
Speaker 2:Let's do those two.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited by that. Totally All right, everybody. Have a wonderful day and we'll see you soon. Bye, cool.