Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions
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Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions
Histamine, Acne, And The Root-Cause Roadmap
Your skin isn’t overreacting for no reason—histamine might be the missing link between “perfect” habits and persistent flares. We sit down with coach Holly Corcum Sears to unpack why wine, chocolate, aged foods, and even certain probiotics can trigger redness, heat, and sudden breakouts, and why stress or poor sleep can turn a small trigger into a full-face flush. Along the way, we connect the dots between gut lining integrity, DAO activity, histamine-producing bacteria, and detox capacity, showing how acne and rosacea often reflect an overloaded system rather than a surface problem.
We also explore the hormone connection that so many women feel but can’t name. As progesterone dips in perimenopause—or when PCOS disrupts ovulation—estrogen can go unopposed, driving histamine sensitivity and sleep-disrupting night flushes. That estrogen-histamine loop becomes a cycle unless you restore balance. We share the tests we rely on—GI mapping, functional bloodwork, and advanced hormone panels—to reveal hidden imbalances like bacterial overgrowth, methylation issues, mold exposure, and nutrient gaps that keep skin reactive.
You’ll leave with a clear plan: pause high-histamine foods and liberators, switch to histamine-safe probiotics, and use targeted supports like standalone quercetin, stinging nettle infusions, and phosphatidylcholine. Then move low and slow through gut repair, gentle detox, and hormone rebalancing so you can reintroduce favorite foods without flares. If your breakouts appear fast, your face flushes with wine, or your “healthy” probiotic makes you feel worse, this guide will help you rebuild resilience from the inside out.
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Welcome to Naturopathic Beauty's Clear Skin Sessions where we heal your acne from the inside out. Hello, beauties, and welcome to the Clear Skin Sessions. I'm Dr. Stacy Shillington. I'm a Naturopathic doctor, and for the last 20 years, I've been helping women clear their acne, their rosacea, and this podcast is for you to help you on your clear skin journey. Today we're talking about something you may not have heard of before. This is not a common topic when it comes to acne, but it's an important topic. And I'm here with Holly Corcum Sears, who is one of my coach in my program, the coach in my program. She like is so knowledgeable. She's been doing this work since 2017. She knows what she's talking about, and she knows a lot about histamine. That is what we're talking about today. We are talking about histamine. And this is really relevant for you if you're living a clean lifestyle, you're eating right, you're taking the supplements, you're doing all the things, and your skin is still really reactive. And this is even more so for you if you're over the age of 35 and you also have some rosacea symptoms. So this is what you know, histamine can be an issue if all these things pertain to you. So let's talk about histamine a little bit, but first of all, welcome, Holly.
SPEAKER_01:Hi, Stacey. Happy to be back again talking about one of my favorite topics. Um, and let's get into it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so I mean, I wish that when I had acne, I would have had this histamine conversation because I think I was overloaded with histamine. Because when, you know, because I really sat down to, you know, think about histamine, preparing for this podcast, and I was thinking back about my old acne-prone self, and I was like, I think I had a lot of histamine issues. I had a lot of bloating. You know, my skin flared up, especially when I drank wine. And back when I had acne, I used to drink a lot of wine, and my skin would just flare up all the time. It also flared up when I ate chocolate. Um, I had constipation, I had insomnia, and I was just putting all these pieces together. And histamine wasn't a huge top of a topic of conversation back then. Basically, it was something that we mentioned in school, but then we moved on from pretty quickly. But, you know, I'm thinking that histamine is probably a bigger issue than a lot of people understand. Um, what do you think, Holly?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I agree. And I think it's also we're, you know, if you're following any, you know, social media wellness, you know, influencers at the moment, histamine is the topic we're talking about. I think, you know, in the last few years when people have had issues from, you know, things that have been happening, that this um histamine issue has is something that our people are experiencing more. And, you know, you could be living a super healthy lifestyle and eating all these foods, which we'll talk about, the foods that are histamine liberating as well as um as histamine-rich. Those foods are generally very healthy things to be eating. And you could be feeling like you're doing all of the right things, and you know, it's not, you're not getting the full benefit of eating in that super healthy way because you may be unaware of those issues that you may be having with histamine. The other thing is that there can be a lot of things that we see in acne patients that affect histamine breakdown or how you deal with histamine. So it's really relevant with our acne and Rosdacea um uh clients because um it's just something that we see the reasons for acne and histamine intolerance go together. Um yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I think one of the main things is people that tend to have acne, they're poor detoxifiers. And when you're a poor detoxifier, you may not be able to clear histamine efficiently, which means histamine is gonna start to build up in your system. And when you combine it with eating a lot of the foods that, you know, introduce histamine into the system or liberate histamine, then it's basically like this perfect situation for inflammation in the body. So we're gonna talk in detail a little bit more about this, but I also want to say this histamine isn't a bad guy. Histamine is important in the body, it helps produce hydrochloric acid, it's a neurotransmitter, it helps with hormone regulation, it's part of our immune system. So histamine isn't bad, but when there's too much of it in the body, when we're not detoxing it properly, when we're producing too much, that's when it becomes an issue. So, like everything in the body, we want to find balance. We want to bring your body to a place where it's balanced, you're healed, your skin is glowing. That's always that's always our goal. So histamine intolerance is really a signal that your system is overloaded. That's that's what we're looking at here. So we need to clear the system. So let's talk about some of the symptoms, the main symptoms of histamine overload. So, Holly, what are some of the main symptoms that you see in our patients?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think people can traditionally think of histamine overload as, you know, you get a bug bite and it gets itchy, or you know, it's there's ragweed in the fall outside and you get seasonal allergies and your nose gets itchy and your eyes get watery. That's like a typical symptoms that we think of as histamine. But some other things that you can have on the skin are like flushing, hives, um, skin that's, you know, pimples or or or marks on the skin that come up very quickly and then pass very quickly, not some like a typical, you know, acne pimple that takes a while to erupt and then a while to go away. It's usually something that's very quick. Um, post nasal drip, anxiety. Um, what else do we see? And insomnia, um, diarrhea or urgency to use the bathroom can also be some um uh you know, bladder urgency frequency more than urgency. Um what else? Can we think of some other ones?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, so I mean, if you're really prone to getting hives on your skin, any type of real inflammatory thing, sinus congestion, post-nasal drip, you said that, but there's a lot of mast cells in the skin specifically. And when these mast cells, you know, release histamine, because these mast cells, they're immune cells and they have histamine within them. And when they degranulate, that's when they release histamine. There's a lot of histamine in the skin in particular. This is gonna cause your blood vessels to get larger, visodilate, and that's gonna cause a lot of redness and heat and itchiness, and this is often what we see in a rosacea-like picture. So if you have a lot of rosacea, say you have a glass of wine and your skin flares up, and I see this with a lot of people, that's histamine reactivity. Um, and histamine also increases oil gland activity, so that's why it's so intertwined with acne because you eat some chocolate, you drink some wine, and your skin gets oily, and that's a histamine reaction. So, histamine and the skin are so very connected, and that's why we see histamine intolerance in so many of our patients.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, totally. So, what makes histamine go from being this good, helpful, you know, molecule in our body from being to being something that's just overloading our body? So let's talk a little bit about the root causes. So, Holly, what are some of the main ones that you see in our patients, things that are causing histamine to be overactive?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so you know, the first one that we talked about already is overconsuming histamine-rich foods. But the food isn't really the problem. It's, you know, the toxicity bucket or the ability to detox is already maxed. And then we add, you know, fuel to the fire by adding more histamine-rich foods on top of that. Um, so you know, and the reasons that you might not be able to break it down are a lot of people have issues with methylation or detox. So maybe you know you've heard about an MTHFR gene mutation. There's other um gene genetic SNPs that can affect, you know, how well we detox and methylate, which a lot of women that we see with acne also have some of these um gene genetic issues with methylation. And unfortunately, we can't supplement large amounts of, you know, B vitamins to fix that in a way that you would traditionally do because that will make acne worse. So this is something that you have to do, you know, with a knowledgeable practitioner. Um, the other thing is gut lining dysfunction. So we do see with a lot of our acne patients that there's um intestinal permeability or what we also call leaky gut. So there's holes in the gut lining, and too many of the things that you're eating that are not broken down properly are getting, you know, into the system more than they should be and setting off alarm bells. In the gut lining, there's an enzyme that's produced called DAO. And if that gut lining is not super healthy, that enzyme doesn't get produced to be able to break down that histamine. There are other um, do you have something to add to that?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, there's always a lot of gut healing to do. You know, when we see there's a histamine reaction, number one, we have to look at the gut because not only what Holly just said about the gut lining, but often there's overgrowth. There's bacterial infections that are going on in the gut, and certain strains of bacteria produce histamine. So it's not just the histamine being released from mast cells or the histamine coming from food, but it's also bacteria like Morganella, klebsiella, citrobacter, enterococcus. These are some strains that will produce histamine, and we see these strains overgrown a lot in our patients. So I mean, again, it's like what we were saying, acne acne patients just have such a perfect physiology to create over histamine overload. Like it's it's really crazy. Yeah, totally. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And then um another one that you know is important to note is um go perimenopause, the transition into perimenopause. Because as progesterone goes down, which is one of the first hormones to kind of drop, as ovulation is not um, you know, as strong as it was when when women were younger, there is a relationship between higher levels of estrogen and higher levels of histamine or histamine intolerance. So that's why women may notice, you know, that glass of wine that they were having at night in their 30s, now in your 40s, is making you wake up in the middle of the night with your heart racing because as progesterone goes down, estrogen is left unopposed, and that can, you know, cause more issues with histamine intolerance.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. And that can be a big reason why all of a sudden your skin starts to flare once you hit perimenopause. Once you're over the age of 35, sometimes you just get that rush of acne coming back, and it can be histamine. So it's so important that we investigate, you know, what's going on in your body from a deep root cause. But absolutely the estrogen, histamine connection is very rich and it's like a vicious cycle. You know, the more estrogen you have, the more estrogen dominance, the more histamine, the more histamine, the more estrogen. So it really you can get trapped in that cycle very easily.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And when we have women coming in with PCOS, even if they're younger, they're not ovulating as much. So there's not as much progesterone, even if you're not in that perimenopause window, which is why we also see this unopposed estrogen, you know, leading to more histamine reaction and acne in those that are younger as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So there's such a big hormonal component. I mean, really, all the root causes of acne, you know, tend to stimulate this histamine overload. It's such a such a big deal. Like, I mean, it's a much bigger deal than, you know, people realize histamine and acne. And so I'm so I'm so happy we're talking about this today because I don't think a lot of people are recognizing that connection between histamine and acne as much as it really is present.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, totally. Totally. Um another thing that we oh yeah, and stress. Yes. Stress is another one.
SPEAKER_00:It's a big one because it directly causes mast cell degranulation. So if you're a really stressed-out person, those mast cells are going to be just releasing histamine in the body. So again, we need to work on the nervous system.
SPEAKER_01:And then another thing we see quite frequently is mold in our um in our clients. And mold is going to make you also, your immune system, you know, hyper-vigilant or not functioning as well because it's been hyper-vigilant for a long period of time. And that can also show up as histamine intolerance, which, you know, we had a client in our program that we've been working with for quite a while. And, you know, just recently, after doing a lot of different testing and working together and getting things really, you know, in a good place, but we were still having this like very quick to flare and very quick to fade, um, kind of more like rosacea, but it did come up to heads to a head more like pimples as well. So it was not something that we typically see very often, but we did finally run a mycotoxin panel for her, which is a test we don't run with everybody unless we really see a need for it. But we did see mold come back as very high for her. And that's a sign, you know, we did see it was very histamine-like acne. And we did see, you know, that was the trigger of the immune reaction. And the histamine intolerance was, you know, being overloaded with mold. And now that we're working on, you know, supporting her immune system and gently clearing those mycotoxins from her system, she's starting to have fewer and fewer of those of those histamine intolerance symptoms and that, you know, kind of quick deflare flare skin reaction that she was having in the past.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and you know, I'm listening to you tell this story, and I'm just thinking about so many of our patients. And acne is really the sign that there's something so deep going on in the body. And I think so many women have been led to believe that acne should be fixed with the cream or you know, a medication or a diet change, but so often that is not even going to touch it because we deal, we find so many crazy things in our patients routinely. We're finding mold, we're finding, you know, systemic candida, we're seeing parasites, we're seeing bacterial overload, we're seeing histamine, we're seeing thyroid issues. Like we're seeing really, really serious things coming up in our patients. And if it wasn't for the acne, alerting them that there was an issue, you know, we wouldn't be doing this deep dive and really understanding what's causing, you know, imbalances in their body. And once we do this work, this is the exciting part. Not only do we clear the skin, but we revive the physiology. We balance the physiology so people are actually feeling vital, healthy, optimal. Once again, but you know, these are really deep, serious problems. Like you do not want a mold issue to persist for decades. You just don't. I mean, acne issue, okay, you can live with acne, but a mold issue which is underlying the acne, you it's gonna lead to serious chronic disease, you know, as you get older. So these are this is really important work that we're doing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I try to reframe that to our to our uh clients sometimes as well, especially those ones with all of these layers and layers of different things that we need to work through, which does take time and we can get there. But, you know, if we think about, especially a woman entering perimenopause, we've like cast a really broad net, figured all of these things that we need to work on, which, you know, can look scary when those things first come back, but she would not know that these things were going on if she did not have acne. And so, you know, not to feel discouraged that that is what's happening to her, but she can go into the rest of her the second half of her life or or longer, knowing what's going on and we've we've fixed it and what to avoid and you know how to keep herself healthy as opposed to if she never had acne at all, she would, you know, be less healthy otherwise. So I think that that's something that a lot of people with acne don't think about. And it's a good way to, you know, just feel that it's can be a blessing in some situations. Um, because you'll be have healthier than the next person that never had acne.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it's it's a yeah, and it's a blessing because this style of healing people is really quite new. You know, using functional medicine, using naturopathic medicine, really understanding what the root causes. This is new. Like when I first graduated from naturopathic college 20 years ago, we didn't even have the testing that's available now. You know, we have tests, we have, I mean, we use the GI mapping test all the time. We use organic acid testing, we use functional medicine blood work, we use hor very sophisticated hormone testing that was not around when I first graduated. So we are able to understand things that we had no idea about, even like a decade and a half ago. So, you know, that's why I think it's so exciting that we can actually heal people so deeply. We can bring them back to optimal health. And I don't think we've really been able to do that in a really long time. So that's a bit of a tangent, but I think an important one.
SPEAKER_01:Totally. Totally. Um did we want to talk about the um histamine foods? What which foods are highest in histamine?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, let's talk about that because some of them are not surprising. I mean, the wine and the chocolate, you know, maybe that's not so surprising, but then there are some really surprising foods, such as I will let you take it away.
SPEAKER_01:So anything that's aged or fermented, so that could be like I'm gonna have some sauerkraut or some kimchi, or, you know, I mean, we think of wine and beer as being fermented, and those are very problematic. But these are what I we said in the beginning, these are things that are touted as healthy foods, things that can be really supportive for your for your system. But you find like if you're having um kimchi or sauerkraut on a regular basis, you know, to try and support your gut health, you're starting to feel like, you know, maybe tingly or flushing or hot or like anxious after you have that. And that could be a sign that your body's not breaking that down super well. Um, aged uh cheeses, so we don't do too much cheese. We don't suggest cow milk cheese within this program, but even like something like an aged cheese, like a pecorino romano, which we do, you know, say is okay for most people to have with acne because it's sheep milk-based, that aged hard cheese can be something that's high in histamine. Um, canned foods, so maybe like a canned salmon, even a canned wild salmon, canned tuna, sardines, these sort of things that are preserved will be problematic. Um, aged meats, we don't really love those too much because they've got a lot of issues with them, but salami, pepperoni, that sort of thing. And then leftovers. So any food that's been sitting in the fridge um for more than say 24 hours will grow some, you know, increase the histamines. There is going to be a little bit of mold the longer things stay in the fridge, and that can be problematic. And some people do notice I don't feel very good when I eat leftovers. Am I being a princess? I don't think so. Well, I know I'm also just don't like eating leftovers because I'd rather have fresh food. But I also sometimes don't feel great when I have, you know, food that's been in the fridge for longer than a day or two, um, even though it should be totally fine for most people. Um, and then there are some histamine liberating foods, which means they're not high in histamine themselves, but they can make histamine um, you know, release more and cause more symptoms. And that's there's a lot of those things, but citrus fruits can be one of them. Um, avocados, and then I'm sure there's a few other ones, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. But you know, I know for the most part, avocados are one of the main ones that people eat on a regular basis, as well as chocolate. And then, as we talked about in one of the other podcasts, which, you know, we had a lot of people question it, is bone broth as well. So bone broth, especially when you're cooking it for like a long period of time, and you know, we're it's becoming more of like an aged food at that point when we're doing it more than a few hours. Uh, that can be problematic. And then also bone broth protein powders, which we do think of as being healthy, but those can also be problematic for some people that are very sensitive to histamine.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And I mean, these foods can introduce histamine into the system, they can liberate histamine. But when it comes to treatment, it's not like you're going to have to avoid these foods forever. And, you know, that's one of the things people think that when they go to heal naturally, they're gonna have to give up all their favorite foods forever. But that's not it. It's like once we actually, you know, balance your hormones, once we support detoxification, once once we heal your body, you are going to be able to eat these foods again. So I don't want you to think, oh my gosh, I'm not doing this because I love my wine or I love my cheese or I love my chocolate. It's just a temporary thing when we have to, you know, remove these foods in order to heal the body, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um and there are some, oh, one more thing I wanted to mention is probiotics. So that's another thing that's healthy that people, you know, you're not working with a practitioner, it's an easy thing to take. And there are a few strains of probiotics that can actually make you feel worse. So some lactobacillus strains, which are in kind of more traditional probiotics, are something that can make people that are histamine sensitive feel worse.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I see that happen a lot. I see people take probiotics and they're like, oh my gosh, that probiotic just made me feel awful. And typically what that is is it's it's a histamine reaction.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So we yeah, so we use very histamine safe probiotics in our protocols 99% of the time for sure. So what so what else do we want to? I guess we want to talk about what we do to heal histamine. Do we want to touch on that a little bit? Like kind of like the five basic things we do.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So I so I think, you know, when we where we would start first as like symptom relief is to remove, you know, the foods that you're having, especially the ones that you're having on a daily basis. Like, are you having avocado toast every day? Are you using bone broth protein powder in your smoothie? Are you drinking bone like a mug of brone broth at breakfast every day? Like removing those in the short term can be really helpful. Sleep, you know, making sure you're getting enough sleep, you're minimizing your stress where you can. And then you can bring in some supplements to support, like if you're having really intense symptoms, like rapid relief, like something like a quercetin, and make sure it's quercetin on its own because that tends to work the best. But that's, you know, something that we could do in the short term to minimize symptoms if you're if you're very reactive. Um and then we could think about like if you're working with somebody, think about looking at the gut using something like a GI map to see what infections might be there that are going to be producing histamine and what the gut health looks like. See if is there, you know, probably some leaky gut going on. Um, do we need to bring in some gut lining support? Do we need to bring in some probiotics to help balance what's going on in there? Um, that's probably would be step two.
SPEAKER_00:Um and then and then maybe looking at supporting detox. You know, we need to head into detox at that point. And it's a good idea to do testing. I mean, you know, I think if you take away some of the histaminic foods and you're feeling relief, then that's a sign we need to go deeper. We need to do some testing. We need to test what strains of bacteria are overgrown. We need to see how are you detoxifying, you know, what does your methylation look like? We need to understand these things so that we can treat you properly and give you what you need, and also so that we can very gently support detoxification because when you start to detoxify too rapidly without the proper support, that could just, you know, blow things up. You could actually feel worse than if you do it slowly. So, you know, when it comes to detox, you want to do that very, very carefully.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. And we see even if we work with people, especially when there's mold, if we move too fast without making sure detox is happening, you know, really well first, they will get those, you know, big histamine flares, like, you know, inability, like not able to sleep, and like these things, you know, we don't have that happening so much anymore because we try to move really gentle with people, especially if we know that there's, you know, immune stuff, histamine intolerant stuff going on. But that can definitely be um really important to remember. We have to promote detox. Empty the bucket.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and you know, that's a really good point because sometimes it's gonna take time to, you know, heal your body, clear histamine properly. And when you're very sensitive, we always talk about going low and slow. You know, we need to give you very low doses of things and just take it very, very slowly so that you don't react and so that your body can heal properly. And it takes time because we cannot rush the body's ability to heal for sure. Yeah, and we want to balance hormones too. We want to take a look at your estrogen and your progesterone levels. We want to reduce excess estrogen if it's there, promote ovulation, make sure estrogen is being detoxified properly. Um, that's a really big part of the healing process as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and then I think once you're feeling better, being very gentle about reintroduction of things that are higher in histamine. So, you know, some people will have an ongoing sensitivity and may need to keep those foods to a minimum. But once we get, you know, the gut healed, your hormones are a little bit more balanced, your nutrients are better, your stress levels are lower, then you know, histamine won't be such an issue for you. And it may take time, it may it may take longer than you're you know expecting, but it's the same with anything when we're trying to work with root causes, it it always takes a little bit longer than you'd like it to, but we can't Amazon prime our health.
SPEAKER_00:No, and it is so worth it to do it properly, you know. That that's the one thing sometimes people get frustrated. They're like, oh my gosh, it's taking so long to heal my body. And Holly and I are always like, just wait, just wait, it's gonna come, it's gonna come. And it's it's like that. All of a sudden, things clear, you feel amazing, and you have your skin back, you have your health back, and it's incredible.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:All right, so any final words on histamine? I feel like we've covered so much, and I hope I hope it's not too much. I hope it's not overwhelming. But you know, as I'm sure you can tell, Holly and I have a lot to say about histamine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I guess some like for people who are not in our Our program and maybe dealing with histamine stuff, like a few supplements that are really like generally okay to try. We talked about quercetin before. And then we uh Stacy, well, we all love stinging nettle leaf. So like nettle tea infusions, you've talked about those a lot. They have a lot of benefits for women with acne, you know, besides the um the histamine part of things. But that's something that can be super helpful to have like once a day or more. And then we love phosphatidylcholine. So choline is helpful for everything. It's it's another one of these newer supplements that people are talking about a lot, but it, especially for women with acne, um phosphatidylcholine, it it's a it's derived from sunflower, right? This is this is where it comes from. Yeah. So it's just very supportive of um clearing congestion in the liver and the gallbladder, and it's also really helpful for for cellular health, including um including histamine intolerance.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, those are great things to try. I mean, if anything, just grab some nettle tea, cut out some of the histaminic foods that we just mentioned, grab a cup of nettle tea, see what that does. You know, you might be really surprised that you feel better, you know, and then you know that, okay, I have to embark upon this healing journey so I can really, you know, unburden my body and reclaim my health. And that is what we help you do. So thank you, Holly, so much for being with me today and helping everybody understand the connection between histamine and acne. If you've enjoyed this podcast, we would love it if you could leave a review. Um, and if you do leave a review, we are going to gift you the first module of my seven-week clear skin program for free. So instructions on how to do that are in the show notes. And if you're interested in working with myself and Holly to heal your heal your body and heal your skin, clear your skin, this is what we do every single day. We are so passionate about it. As you can tell, uh, you can book a call or watch a free masterclass. Links are in the show notes, but we have a ton of great resources for you, and you know, we cannot wait to help you on your clear skin journey. So thank you so much, and we will see you in the next episode. Thanks so much, Holly.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you.