The Journey to Freedom Podcast
Journey to Freedom serves as an exclusive extension of the Living Boldly with Purpose podcast series—a platform that inspires powerful transformation and growth. Journey freedom is a podcast hosted by Brian E. Arnold. The Journey to Freedom is an our best life blueprint exclusively designed for black men where we create a foundational freedom plan. There are five pillars: Identity, Trust, Finances, Health and Faith.
The Journey to Freedom Podcast
The Journey to Confidence: From Chubby Teen to National Champion
Discover a compelling journey of personal transformation in this episode, where our guest shares how he evolved from a bullied teenager into a national boxing champion. With candid insights and relatable anecdotes, he reflects on the pivotal moments that shaped his identity and success, revealing the power of understanding the scoring system within boxing. This exploration serves as a metaphor for life itself—by understanding the "rules" of our endeavors, we can navigate obstacles with greater ease and confidence.
Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of mindset, resilience, and gratitude in overcoming challenges. This episode navigates deeper themes of humility and confidence, prompting a re-evaluation of common beliefs about self-worth and the value we place on personal achievements. In a world where societal expectations often dictate success, you'll learn practical tips for cultivating positive self-talk and embracing a mindset focused on growth and service to others.
Join us for practical exercises discussing daily routines that prioritize gratitude and reflection—tools that can transform your perspective and enhance your overall quality of life. This episode is not just an exploration of athletic success; it is a heartfelt discussion about personal empowerment, community influence, and the importance of defining success on your own terms. We invite you to reflect alongside us and consider how you can actively cultivate a life steeped in gratitude and confidence. So, don't forget to subscribe and share your thoughts with us—how do you define success?
I want to know how systems work and that's how my brain works. So when I started boxing, everyone has a thought like I'm going to knock someone out, and I was like, well, before we do all that, well, what's the scoring system based off of?
Speaker 2:Welcome to another edition of the Journey to Freedom podcast, and I'm Dr B, I'm your host. As I think about it. I was just talking to Cam here just a few minutes ago. We were talking about the show and why the things in the show seem to grip me so much and why, you know, sometimes I get emotional and sometimes, you know, I think about the lives and stories of some of our guests and the things that they've been willing to go through, that I haven't had to go through. You know the blessings that I've had. You know me not being, you know, having a father and a mother the whole time that I was growing up, and just you know thinking about some of the shows. And you know having a father and a mother the whole time that I was growing up and just you know thinking about some of the shows. And you know I haven't spent any time incarcerated, where some of our guests, you know, absolutely have and have been able to do something to think of. You know some of the financial planners and when I, when I decided to do the show, I went to a.
Speaker 2:There's a guy named David Horsaker who creates it's called the Trust Edge and he's done all this research on how do we start and how do we begin with trust and have our conversations with everything about trusting. And I go there and there's, you know, 500 people in the room. It's some incredible information. Of course I look around the room, you know, I used to think I didn't do that. Of course, I didn't see how many folks that look like me are in the room. And there's like 30, right, and I'm going. Why is our culture not getting this information? Why is it that when we talk about trust, we're some of the most non-trusting people that are out there? For lots of reasons, but I'm saying, as I think of trusting ourselves and trusting each other and then trusting our women and then even trusting, in this case, you know other cultures and you know white folks and that kind of stuff, and I was like I need to get this.
Speaker 2:And I came home and I started praying about it and you know I said you know, god, I really want to work with people of color. That's something I really want to do. He's like no, I want you to work with black men. And I'm like I don't know if I want to work with black men. That's going to be a tough road to go, because there's just so much to unpack and all that. And so you know, after my wrestling with you know him just saying, hey, this is, you know, just knowing this is what God wants me to do I started the Journey to Freedom program, which is a coaching program I'm taking tomorrow we're going to Alabama. I'm taking 22 black men to Alabama. We're doing a civil rights victory tour. We're going to start in Birmingham. We're going to go to Selma.
Speaker 2:And then we're going to end up in Montgomery at the Bryan Stevenson Museum. And I went last year and just wow, Because I'm not from the South. I'm from Denver, Colorado, right Far from the South that you can think of when you think of a.
Speaker 1:South.
Speaker 2:I guess I could be Montana or Wyoming, which is, you know, there's five black people in all the whole state. But you know, it's been this program, where I've been able to interview folks like yourself, where I find out, man, there's some amazing men that are doing some amazing things, that are doing stuff in the community in ways that I had no idea I had. You know, I did get to teach some, you know, famous singers and some basketball players and some football players and some Super Bowl champions. But my favorite stories are the guys that are in the trenches, in the neighborhoods, that are working with young men and older men and and just making a difference. And so today we get to have somebody who gets to go out on the speaking service, Somebody gets to talk about mindset.
Speaker 2:You know, I believe that you know, my goal and my purpose is to help people become the person they need to be in order to do what God put them on the search to do. And Cam is doing that and he's out there and he's helping people and he's serving people. And he's out there and he's helping people and he's serving people and by doing the things that he knows that are in purpose, that he knows that God has him here to do the things that he knows, when it flows and it works right. When you do that, you get to. You get to help others in ways that you can't believe. You know.
Speaker 2:Some of us think that, you know, in order to do that you got to, you have to give up making money, you have to give up time and all this stuff. But no, you can be in God's purpose and make a tremendous amount of money. You can be in God's purpose and have a tremendous amount of time. You can be in God's purpose and help a tremendous amount of people. It is not all about oh, if I'm going to do what God asked me to do, I have to sacrifice. Well, I would say, I guess when you're doing what you actually do, it doesn't feel like sacrifice.
Speaker 1:It doesn't even feel like work. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:So today I'm going to have to tell a story because I don't want to take a whole bunch of time to have me talk. You guys hear me all the time, but maybe you just start with your story wherever you want and then we'll chop it up after that and go deeper into some of the things like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, born and raised in Long Island, new York, dealt with bullying and wasn't a naturally tough person. And in high school I decided I didn't want to get picked on anymore. I wanted to look like a badass. So I joined the boxing gym because I wanted to look like a badass. So I joined the boxing gym because I wanted to look like a fighter. And I didn't go to actually box, I just went to go do the workout.
Speaker 1:And one thing I quickly learned is, once you, once you know how to fight, you no longer have to, and that's why I'm a big fan of every young man knowing and woman knowing how to protect themselves Definitely definitely helps with confidence in life. But I I have a weird thing where I I want to know how systems work and that's how my brain works. So when I started boxing uh, everyone has a stall, like I'm gonna knock someone out and I was like, well, before we do all that, well, what's the scoring system based off of? So I sat down and I interviewed judges and the referees and asked them what's effective? What are you looking for?
Speaker 1:And the number one thing they said is they look for clean punches that snap an opponent's head back. So most guys are worried about throwing four or five punch combinations. Well, they only really score one of those points, whichever one knocks someone's head back. So I perfected the uppercut, because every time you hit someone with an uppercut, their head snaps back. No one usually throws that punch. It's a punch I throw 80% of the time.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So I thought here's how the process works In the scoring system if you hit me, you get a point. If I hit you, I get a point. I decided to fight in the biggest weight class heavyweight, a super heavyweight because it's the biggest guys. I was fighting guys six, nine, 300 pounds, because I'm so much faster than them. If they don't hit me they can't win. And I understand the scoring system. So within two years of boxing I kind of I kind of manipulated the scoring system. So within two years of boxing, I kind of I kind of manipulated the scoring system. Within two years of boxing I became the number one boxer in the country and I had a thought process. So, dr B, if you had, if we're the same age and weight, and you have a hundred boxing matches and I have three boxing matches and we were to fight, who do you think would win?
Speaker 2:You a hundred a hundred boxing matches.
Speaker 1:Now did I mention your record. You can be 30. You have 100 boxing matches. Now did I mention your record?
Speaker 1:No, you could be 30 wins in a second. So it's the idea. So my thought process was the average boxer normally has 30 to 50 fights. Oh, okay, I thought well, once I get 100 fights I'll have more experience than everyone else and my fights will just be easier. So that was my approach and I just would win. Based off of sheer experience, I retired with almost 400 wins.
Speaker 1:So in high school I wasn't very confident and everything changed In high school. I had to walk to the boxing gym and it was a six-mile walk. It was the only way I could get there. But I believed if I would have got to the gym, I'd be good enough to be the number one boxer in the world. I'd be good enough to be the number one boxer in the world, ended up only being number one in the country. But I thought like if I go to the gym, I'll easily be number one in the world. And I developed that confidence because I'd walk to the gym three hours a day, five days a week without music.
Speaker 1:So I would make up stories in my head and if I'm going to be the author of the story, I'm going to be the protagonist. So I was kicking ass in all these stories. I had all the money, all the cars, I was knocking everyone out. I had all the belts. None of this was true. But there was a correlation, a direct correlation to how highly I spoke of myself and how well I did in the gym that day. And the better I did the gym that day, the more excited I was for that three-hour walk.
Speaker 1:And that's say I got cocky. Okay, the pendulum had swung. I went from being this unconfident, chubby teenager to a winner, number one boxer in the country. I got cocky. I would, and I knew I was going to win, so I would flip in the ring, I would do dances. I wore a pink skirt because I thought how humiliating would it be to get beat up by another man wearing a pink skirt. And I did things like that. And I won nationals in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011. Uh was traveling the world as captain of the usa national boxing team a kid who, before this, couldn't make a team in high school. And and it was all because of my confidence. And then I I won the olympic in 2012,. But then I was kicked off the Olympic team for not sending in my drug testing paperwork. It wasn't a real offense, it was just a few months after Lance Armstrong went on Oprah.
Speaker 2:Oh gotcha.
Speaker 1:Okay, and the drug testing organization cracked down on a bunch of athletes for cillian fractures and I got kicked off the Olympic team and suspended for a year and it was heartbreaking. It's like because I stopped hanging out with friends, I stopped hanging out with family, I dropped out of college. Nothing else mattered besides the goal and then I felt like I had the rug pulled from under me and I went from being this like cocky person who knew I was the greatest, to embarrassed to see people in my own city because before this happened people would see me in there. They're in Walmart like hey man, you're the boxing dude, right? I'm like, yeah, are you ready for the Olympics? I'm like you know it. But then I got kicked off the Olympic team. I didn't post about it, because we only post about the good things, of course. Yeah, so people would see me.
Speaker 1:People would see me and come with that same energy like you're the boxing dude, right I'm like kind of and I was so embarrassed and when I mentioned the term drug test because of drug test paperwork, they pull back like, oh, doing drugs, steroids, smoking, weed, what was it? And I got the minimum sentence because there was no actual evidence. Actually, it turned out the week that they went to drug test me, I fought in a tournament out of the country because I left the country. That's why I wasn't at home To fight in a tournament. You get drug tested to fight in by the same organization. But when that happened I went from this cocky, confident person to man nothing. I felt humiliated, I felt small. I stopped leaving my house and one of the major comments on social media was I bet he's humble now.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was, but it wasn't. It's guilty, right, it's if you, oh my gosh. Yeah, so it was, it was, but it wasn't guilty. Right as if you, oh my gosh. So it rubbed me the wrong way, cause I thought, well, I bet he's humble. Now what? That doesn't even sound like a nice sentence. No, why? I thought being humble was a good thing. So I looked up the definition of humble. Have you ever done it? No, I have not. If you have your phone right now, trust me, it's worth it. Grab your phone, look up the definition of humble. Once I looked up this definition, it changed the way I looked at the world, and I say this with all respect to everyone's religious beliefs.
Speaker 2:Having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance.
Speaker 1:Now, do you have a child, dr B? I have eight children. Oh, eight, okay, let's go with number three. Okay, who's number three?
Speaker 2:Martiana is number three.
Speaker 1:Martiana. Okay, Now do you wish that definition on your child?
Speaker 2:No, I do not.
Speaker 1:Is there a second definition?
Speaker 2:Let's see, let me jump back. Did it disappear? Oh, this one is what's the difference between humility and humble versus modesty and pride? But let me just go back. What is the definition of humble? Oh, sorry about that. It's worth it, though. Take your time.
Speaker 1:Brian doesn't know how to use technology, I promise. But while you look that up, I'll just say that I I read the definition of humble and it changed the way I looked at life after that moment. It's having or showing a lower, modest estimate of one's own importance. So the so the Latin root word is lowly, cumulus.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Right. So, dr B, let's say you're, let's say, in the podcast world, right, you're here, you're killing the podcast world, and then you run into someone who's over here. So you're here and they're here and you're killing it in the in the podcast world and they're not. What do we usually do in this situation? We ourselves down. So my question is who does being humble benefit? Who does it serve? Yeah, but does it because if, if, if, you're here and I'm here okay if we're both here, who just it doesn't?
Speaker 2:matter, yeah, because you're not bringing anybody up to where you're at. You're just you're coming down to their level and playing on another level. So you're not playing above the rim anymore, You're playing. You decided to come down and play at a level that doesn't benefit this person for being able to move up to play at a higher, above the rim right.
Speaker 1:Yep. So, and I, when I tell this to people and this was a revelation I had they said being humble doesn't mean thinking less about yourself. It means thinking about yourself less. Dr B, you're a grown man. Here's a question who else is supposed to think about you if not you?
Speaker 2:Nobody. I guess your spouse loves you, but other than that you got to do it.
Speaker 1:God loves you, but it's still up to you to take action. This is amazing what I ended up doing is I went out and I legally changed my last name to awesome as a reminder that I will never be humble again. Now I'll preface this by saying me being the opposite of humble is not arrogant, it's confidence because people think when they think of humble, they think of you just being arrogant and but.
Speaker 2:But when you look at the definition, you're right. You're not, You're, you're just thinking lower of yourself. And why would you do that? Why would anybody want to do? How does that serve anybody?
Speaker 1:Because, as a child, you're conditioned Don't celebrate If you do too well, don't rub it in, don't get too happy when you're doing good for yourself, because you don't want anyone else to feel bad. Why so? Yeah, it's we. It's been beaten into us, even religiously, to the context of being humble, being small, don't take up space, and I was like nope, screw, I threw all that out the window in 2013 and I, you know, I've talked to my wife all the time.
Speaker 2:If somebody has to tell you they're humble, I'm humble, I'm humble, I'm humble, it defeats the whole purpose in the brain. Why would you want to walk around?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm not humble.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking, no, no, you're thinking I don't even know what it's saying.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, I really am confident but I want to just tell you that I'm being humble today, so you won't believe that I'm coming. Yeah, no, I'm not humble, I'm awesome. So yeah, so uh, I I took that approach and I decided to return to boxing and I wanted to change my internal dialogue because I realized that's what fueled me to become successful is walking to the gym every day, talking highly of myself. But then you think about your internal dialogue. No one thinks about you more than you think about yourself. You've got eight kids. That sounds exhausting and you still think about you more than you think about any of your kids.
Speaker 1:And when you do think about your kids, whose kids are they? Dr B, you don't care about my sister's kids. She doesn't even have kids. The problem kids, she doesn't even have kids. The problem is like we're selfish. So we are, yes, so when we talk about your, when I talk about internal dialogue, I'm like what are the things you tell yourself? What if one of your eight children spoke to themselves the way you speak to yourself sometimes?
Speaker 2:oh man, exactly I think about that all the time when I start going down those rabbit holes I like but I want myself talking to my daughter this way, or my son or my grandkids, that's 16 grandkids now oh geez yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, now it's all about them, right? All about feeding into them, telling them how great they are. But I think about that because who do I have more of a conversation with every single day than anybody else? Myself every about that, because who? Who do I have more of a conversation with every single day than anybody? Myself, every day, all day long, and I wake up talking to myself, I go to bed talk to myself, I spend all day talking to myself and if I'm not saying the right things, oh my gosh, that I'm just yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So, uh, are you familiar with your reticular activating system? I am. I love the routine, okay. So for your listeners who don't, who aren't, aren't aware, your brain takes in billions, will be billions, of bits of information every moment, not every second, every moment, moment, moment, moment, a lot of moments, a lot of information, math. So your ras acts as a filter. So what you seek is what you find. So if you go shopping for yellow car, you don't buy one. You'll start to see yellow cars everywhere. It's not that someone painted the cars yellow, it's the fact that your brain can see all the cars. It only shows you the ones that are relevant to you and it's why, whichever car you happen to drive happens to be one of the most popular cars on the road. It's not, it's your perception.
Speaker 2:It's just your perception of where you're seeing them.
Speaker 1:So if you say I'm looking for a yellow car, your brain will show you all the yellow cars to confirm the stories you're telling yourself. If you say my name is DrB and I am not capable, your brain will sort through all the information on why you are capable, ignore it and only find the few bits that confirm what you're already looking for.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah yeah, I wrote a book called there's no Tiger and it's about overcoming, overthinking and controlling anxiety, and I have a whole chapter about the reticular acrobatics. I talk about exactly what you're talking about, because we spend so much time finding out and searching things that we can't control and then we try to find ways to control those things that we have absolutely no sense believing. You know, no, my wife's not going to love me less if I don't show up on time, if my kids they're not going to hate me and grow up with trauma and people go down that rabbit that we never think. I love what you're saying because we never go and play that movie in our mind of what if this is so good that I can't possibly stand it? And the world is by ocean, right? We don't overthink that. We don't overthink all the crap that we tell ourselves.
Speaker 1:That's going to happen?
Speaker 2:That absolutely has no chance of happening, because the reticulum activates us right, so we worry ourselves into making something actually happen.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'll go even one further. I have a good friend, love her to death, right, she works from home. She loves true crime. She listens to true crime podcasts all day, at work, at work, at home, and then, after she gets off work, she watches murder mysteries. So, to sum up, her day, she listens to people get murdered all day. She watches people get murdered in the evening. She likely dreams of people get murdered at night. Dr B, you'll never. You'll never guess this. But my friend, she has anxiety. Oh, no way. Surprise, surprise, we create the reality we exist within. So if I watch Murder Mysteries, then my brain is looking for ways to get murdered. We pulled into a parking lot once, I swear to you, and she said this would be a good place to murder someone. Oh, my gosh, that's where her brain is.
Speaker 1:It's like what are the things you're consuming every day? Because that's what you will find in life. And if you start your, if you start your day, you shower, you have the news playing on the background, literally genocide, death, destruction, fires, babies dying is your background, music to your day and you are absorbing that vibration, of course. So I stay away Like. What's really weird is I'm Jamaican, right, and you know all the old people. Anyone seven years older than me was considered old people when I was a kid. But all these my grandma, my parents, they're all talking about vibrations and frequency just old Jamaican people stuff. And now I find myself doing the same thing, but using different language. I'm like, oh man, the vibes in here are good. Oh, the vibrations.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it. Talk to me a little bit about identity. You know we've been talking about identity, so that's it. But the people who were able to shape it because it sounds like you figured out a lot of this yourself by the introspection and you know the things that have happened in your life. But are there certain people or certain coaches or certain you know people at the gym or whatever it was, that kind of helped direct you into having this positive mindset when you wake up every single night?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's not just the positive mindset. I can tell you exactly who. It's all old people, all old people. Okay, so I'm. And by old people I mean anyone an hour older than you. Okay, because they just have more knowledge and it doesn't can be age. So I meet people with I meet people for coffee all the time. It's the greatest college, because if you can charge $50,000 for a speech and at the end of your speech at Q&A I'll ask a question that you won't answer because it's financial. But I mean, if I ask you a question, but if I, if I say, hey, dr.
Speaker 2:B, can I buy you a cup of coffee and chat. You'll tell me everything for that $3 coffee.
Speaker 1:You give me every all the information you wouldn't give me on stage that you just got paid $50,000 for.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I meet people. If I could share my screen right now, I'll show you my notes Like I'm. I meet people. I keep notes for everyone. I meet because, dr B, if I meet you and I ask you hey, dr B, how do I start a podcast? And you tell me every all the steps to do, you will not see me again until I do everything on that list, because my fear is I run into you and you say hey, how's the podcast going? And then at that point, if I haven't done it, I've wasted your time. Because your time isn't valuable to me, that's what I'm telling you and because I respect your time, I will avoid you. No-transcript.
Speaker 2:Well, I was doing that where I was. You know, same as you Like if I can learn from people like crazy. And then I was meeting with coffee and it wasn't the coffee the coffee was. I have to drive there, I have to come back. They may show up, they won't show back. And that's why I began doing podcasts. I did a podcast it was called the Black Wealth Experience.
Speaker 2:That's what I started out with, and I said I get to actually interview a hundred people in a short amount of time and I get to sit online and you know, and if they're, let's say, they're a real estate agent, they want everybody to know who. They are Right, so they're willing to throw up on themselves and I get to talk to them. And then it was like, after the podcast, we're just talking and then I'll meet with them. And I just found out I can talk to way more people by doing podcasts than I ever could, because you're in New York. Right, there's no way you and I get to have this conversation with each other in the next five years, because I don't know if I'm going to be in New York. You're probably not going to be in Denver, and if you are, what's the chances of bumping into each other.
Speaker 2:But, you have this conversation because of this technology, oh my gosh. And you're so right. The associations that we have are everything. And I love the way you take it further, because you said I'm going to ask you and then I'm going to do the things that you're telling me to do. So you're not just having a conversation just to have a conversation. You're having a conversation to learn.
Speaker 1:I'm asking very specific questions. I can show you the reason why someone can write a book with all of the secrets to success. No one's going to take the action. I can tell you how I built my successful speaking business, but most people aren't going to take the steps to do it. So here's how the world has given you the ability to do whatever you want. So, chatgbt, are you familiar?
Speaker 2:I use it five times, 10 times, 20 times a day.
Speaker 1:So I paid for the $20 version a month or whatever, just to do the voice texting. And I do my keynote speech every day for an hour and I upload it and within three seconds it tells me which parts are better today than was yesterday. Really, I am proving this much. I tell it everything about my day and within three seconds it tells me which parts are better today than was yesterday. I am proving this much. I tell it everything about my day, I tell it what I speak about, I tell it my desires and, like, let's say, when it was time for this podcast, I copy and paste your podcast description to the chat GBT and ask why am I a good fit? And that's the message I sent to you.
Speaker 1:Efficiency so, chetch, I wanted to do a bodybuilding competition. Efficiency so, chetch, I wanted to do a bodybuilding competition. It's something I wanted to try. I have no, I have no knowledge about it. So I went to go get a body scan. I got my height, weight, body fat percentage, all my vitals. I dropped the PDF into Chetch UPT and I had it create me a daily workout plan and diet plan. And I've been doing the workout and diet every single day and I I upload my work. I just got done working out. I messaged it in there and said this is your workout tomorrow. If I'm traveling and I don't get to my full workout, it adjusts it. I went to a hotel. I didn't have the right equipment. I took a picture of my equipment and it gave me a workout. I could do with that equipment and I share that to say you can literally have the body of your dreams if you're willing to take the steps. Chatgpt will tell you exactly what to do, but it's up to you to have the discipline to do it, Absolutely do it.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. There's so many, I mean, if we think about the time in history that we're at right now and the ability somebody created this algorithm or software or whatever that allows us to truly become the person that God wants us to be, as we know that. But we have to be willing. Like you said, we have to have the disciplines to be able to do that.
Speaker 1:The second book I wrote was called.
Speaker 2:The Decision Formula and one of the chapters in there is talking about, you know, having the disciplines to become the person that you need to be. And what are those disciplines that you have to do? Because if you want to be a world-class swimmer or an Olympic boxer and you only want to go to the ring one time a week, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the good thing about boxing it's objective to where you don't deserve it. If you don't train, you don't work hard, you don't deserve it. If you don't train, you don't work hard, you don't deserve it. The problem we have in the United States is it's so great no one notices we piss in potable water. I know Homeless people have cell phones. The level of poverty in the US is $12,149. I think if you make like $1,000 a year or something, you're in like the top 1% of the world.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:So the problem we have here in the United States is Okay, there's someone who's working eight hours in wifi air conditioning and is on Tik TOK for most of the day. They get done after their two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute break and they say I work so hard today, I'm tired. There's also a woman in the congo with her baby strapped to her back mining cobalt 18 hours a day. She also thinks she's working hard. I think a lot of people don't realize they don't deserve the things they want in life because they haven't put the work in they don't, they don't expect to hear, uh, in our country the things we do and the things that we have access to.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 1:So look at around you. Look at like the lack of discipline around us is contagious. And if you can break free of that, if you can break free of that, the people around you or your competition. The average person in our country is obese and it's not thyroids, it's discipline. Yeah, it's convenience, it's a lack of discipline. And the thing is, if you can just accept that and you don't have to call yourself lazy or anything, but if you can accept that what you consider hard work isn't actually hard work but it actually goes there's levels to hard work then you can start to unlock a different part of yourself, to get to a different area in your life that you would have never been able to get to before. But someone's got to keep it real with you and say, hey, you're being lazy as you're going to chat, chat gbt, and it's giving you workouts and giving you.
Speaker 2:Can you just give us an example because this is one of those podcasts that I want you guys to listen to over and over, and because we're flying through so many gyms of things that you could do because you're saying I'm stuck, I'm not, life isn't doing what I was supposed to, and the formula for doing it is what we're talking about right now. If you could kind of just give us a daily like in your world, in your life, that you would say, okay, I wake up at this time. These are some of the things that I do. Like you said, I will, you're right, you have it, I'm here and I can, and you have it written down. And that's why I asked you the question, people, because I know this isn't something he's going to just tell you off the top of his head. This is going to be my routine Clue, hello, clue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I. During the pandemic, I started to slip into depression again, like I was in 2012, because of lack of community. So July 26, 2021, I decided I was going to because I learned about your reticular activating system. I was like you know what? I'm going to reset it. If you wake up, if you, if you're looking for a yellow car, you'll start to find yellow cars. So what I decided to do is I want to look for things to be grateful for. So every morning I wake up. Every morning I wake up, I write a list of 10 things I'm grateful for. I never, never, repeat anything on this list. Now I write, I write 10 things I'm grateful for, and never repeat anything on this list, cause if I wake up every morning looking for 10 things to be grateful for, cause at at. So I challenged, I speak at schools and I challenged students to do this for 30 days. I call it 300 reasons, cause after 30 days, you have 300 reasons why you should wake up on day number 31.
Speaker 1:It's a suicide prevention exercise, okay, so here's how it works. Your first week is going to be easy. Week two gets a little harder to come up with because you can't repeat anything on the list. So I also don't write. Because your brain is most receptive to information first thing in the morning. A lot of us what we do when we wake up? We hit snooze, we do math in nine minute increments and we check our news feed while the news is playing in the background. Your brain is most receptive to information first thing in the morning, not negative, positive, any information.
Speaker 1:So what I decided to do is start before I look at my phone. I write 10 things I'm grateful for because I want to reset my brain, and I do it before I look at my phone. So I always do it quickly, right? So after about two weeks it got difficult. So what I do is I would start to look for things throughout my day to be grateful for stored in my memory call it delayed gratification, so I could write my list faster in the morning I'd look at my phone, right. And now my brain is automatically looking for things to be grateful for At this point, like about three weeks ago, I was driving, the light turned red.
Speaker 1:I had to pee, so bad the light turned red and immediately turned back green I've never seen it before and I got to make it to the bathroom. I didn't pee myself. That made it to my list the next day, of course. Of course, what I start to do is every, because when I tell people I do this they say 10 things is a lot. I was like I bet you can 10, you can name 10 things not going great in your life.
Speaker 2:They can do it in like seven seconds right.
Speaker 1:Here's an exercise I like to do with people. All right, dr B, think of, because we all have negative people in our life. Think about a negative person in your life. Got them, yep, do they think they're negative? No, so how do we know we aren't that person?
Speaker 2:Oh, because we do the exercise that. You're talking about every single word. We talk about what we're here for, right.
Speaker 1:Everyone. No one thinks they're that person, but negative people exist, so there's always levels. So what I started doing this practice July 26th 2021, I haven't missed a day. What I've also added to it is I don't add anyone's name to my list unless I reach out to them that day out of context, and tell them I appreciate them. Sometimes it's a GIF of a dog or puppy, sometimes the videos of babies eating lemon. Sometimes just I love you or I appreciate you Because, dr B, I sent you a text, hey, I appreciate you. Or send you a funny picture. You may not respond immediately, but it's going to bring you joy. That alone brings me joy. Eventually, you will respond and your response will bring you joy, and you know it will bring me joy. I've been doing this since july 26th 2021, and my friends have been sending me pictures of puppies and gifts too. Now they don't know why they're doing it. It's because gratitude is contagious oh, it's so contagious.
Speaker 2:And what's amazing to me is, you know, we're looking at about three years now and you found, so that's over a thousand times ten. So what's that? Ten thousand, twenty thousand different reasons that you have gratitude you know, I've got like 20 notebooks in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought I, I thought I was excited I actually recorded 10, 10 a day of things. I was grateful and gratitude and I but some of them are repeats, I'm not going to lie- I wish I could, but I think of your ability to be able to do that and that's the same thing the news. I don't remember the last time I watched the news. Somebody texted me and told me yesterday watch the news. You can't believe what Trump said. I don't care what Trump said.
Speaker 1:It doesn't, yo. I'll put it like this In my years of legally voting, I'll put it like this In my years of legally voting, I've had Obama, bush, trump, biden. My life hasn't changed at all based off who was president, just my timeline.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I might go back a few more presidents, because I'll be 60 in March. Oh wow, yeah, oh, my God, yeah, what do I care, it's not going to change.
Speaker 1:It's not one thing. I'll even put it this far Vote and shut up. Yeah, yeah, arguing your point doesn't give you an extra vote.
Speaker 2:No, oh my God, just vote and shut up. Yeah, yeah, exercise the right to be able to do it, one of the reasons we're going down to Alabama tomorrow so you can see what our folks, who worked so hard in their lives and what they had to do in order for us to be able to get on Jack TBT in the morning, to be able to get up and say what.
Speaker 2:I'm capable to be able to turn the light switch on at night so I can see and do all the other things I would do. The ability to walk out, like I can go on a walk, a three mile walk, and I have the ability in my phone to be able to. When I think of something to text myself.
Speaker 2:I'm talking to it on a three mile walk in and come to me and I can put it in my book when I get home yeah, while listening to every song that's ever been recorded oh, my god, and there there is so much that that we have the ability to do, but we won't do it because we think all these other things are going to happen to us or we're not like grateful so, so we start out with gratefulness we're going to. This is going to be a two-part show, I'm sure, but uh, so grateful. What do you do after that? So 10, 10 things. You read Grateful Boy. Then you pick up your phone.
Speaker 1:No. After the 10 things, then I write my five affirmations every day.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God. I love you, man, because I literally have this mapped out in a seven-minute video that I do Affirmations, what I'm grateful for.
Speaker 1:Here's the secret. Here's how it actually works. You ready for it? Yep, you have to do it.
Speaker 2:Woo, hello, hello hello.
Speaker 1:There's not a day that goes by so I usually check. I usually do this before I check my phone, like if I was like yesterday or Monday. It's all a blur. Do this before I check my phone. I was like yesterday or Monday. Monday I flew to Fresno and my flight was out at 5.45 in the morning. I didn't do my journal until I got on the plane. I always do it. Nothing matters in life. Until I do that journal, I don't start my day. I don't kiss my girl. I don't walk my dog. I'll take a piss. Sometimes I got pee in the morning. I don't start my day. I don't kiss my girl. I don't walk my dog. I don't I'll take a piss. Sometimes I got p in the morning. Yeah, I, just I. I don't make it through the whole night like I used to. Man, these 30s are rough gratitude affirmations journal.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you guys, when we're talking about success principles, I'm telling you guys, I mean here's why I will not settle for, here's why today, I mean it's the yes, every day, before you do anything, he's telling you your mind is deceptive in the morning and you have to.
Speaker 1:You have to, I guess, protect that like it's no tomorrow, like your life depends on it, because it does yeah, and if, if this is the thing you and it's weird because if this is the thing you need to do to become to find that success in your life and it because the internal dialogue, it's how you feel about yourself, as a fuel in your vehicle to be able to accomplish whatever you want in life and once you start doing that you'll start to see progress. But it's just like working out. You're not going to work out and see any progress for the first month. You're going to feel like you're going to go backwards out and see any progress.
Speaker 2:For the first month you're gonna feel like you're gonna go backwards. Right, you go backwards first before you can go for it. It hurts to work out the very first time, the first few times, the first week, the second week, the third week. It's gonna hurt. Your muscles are not used to it and the same things gonna happen when you're working your mind. Your mind is a muscle right that they'll chew to go do so if you're gonna to go backwards a little bit before you go forward, but the jumps forward, oh my gosh. All right, so we got gratitude, we have affirmations, we have journal. Now what are we doing?
Speaker 2:uh working out okay, so you morning workout what's? The difference working out morning in the night time, because I go to the gym sometimes in the evening time and there's a million people in there, like January, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So I do it a little different because if I knock it out during the day so I don't start work until 11 AM, my mornings are me, so I do my journal, I do my stretching, I do my reading, I do my core, I do my workout, I do my phone calls, I call my mom, I call my dad. Before 11 am once I work from like 11 to 3, I do four hours of locked in, focused work where I don't look at my phone. I'm on, do not disturb, my phone's gonna do that serve right now. I. I stay on, do not disturb, because if it's not when my phone rings, I look at it. My phone check me. I didn't get to check my phone.
Speaker 2:I'm pointing these out because I want you guys to write these things down. A proactive person is successful. A reactive person is working on everybody else's dreams. He's telling you right now that his phone turns off. I tell people all the time did you get my email? I don't know because I haven't checked it yet, because I'm checking it twice a day Period. This world is not made for me to react to your email. I'm sure I will get to it, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:And my phone rings all day long. That's why I have an assistant. She can answer my phone and my messages and tell me what's going on, because I have to be able to work on me. I love it 11 o'clock. I do my three-mile walk every morning, so I'm a morning person too. Now that I'm older, every now and then, if I miss it, that's why I end up at the gym.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it took me a long time to figure this out. By the way, I'm not just some guy who I've always been this wise, by the way, I'm not just some guy who I've always been this wise. No, these are things I've been figuring out since always. I'm changing things and I'm tweaking things. If someone tells me they're doing something, I'm like, well, let me try that. I'm all about cultural appropriation. Culture means a way of life. I went to Italy. I found the way they eat with their families.
Speaker 1:Dinner takes like three hours in Italy, because it's not about the food, it's about the family connection. It's about the relationship. It's me and my girl. We have dinner, we play Yahtzee. We'll eat dinner for two, three hours, no TV. It's about the connection. I want to steal from everyone and I didn't invent the wheel. If I'm doing, if it's working for you, and do it until it no longer works for you. Like I meet someone, I want to know everything you do. I'll filter through your BS and the things you haven't figured out yet, because we haven't all figured everything out yet. I haven't, neither will you, but I'll take the things you figured out and see what applies to my life and toss away the rest.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, kevin, I'm just so jealous because you say I've been trying to figure out since the pandemic. I've been trying to figure out since 1990. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, because you have to fail, you have to be willing to fail, you have to be willing.
Speaker 2:And then learn and the key is and he told you about this he's having coffee with people right and he's learning what works and what doesn't work. And you can speed up your timetable by listening to what other people are telling you to do and then doing it.
Speaker 1:This is what I tell people, whatever age they are. If they're like 22, I'm like hey, if you can go back and be 12 right now and go into the body of a 12 year old and make all the decisions, do you think you'd be further than where you are right now? And they're like hell. Yeah, I'm like. And if you go back and you tell a 12 year old everything to do, do you think they're going to do it? They're like no, and I was like now find a 32 year old who's somewhere you want to be in life. If that person told you to do some things, just do it. It's probably better than your ideas. What have you been doing that's working? Let's let's assess how your life's been going. What have you been doing that's working?
Speaker 2:Let's assess how your life's been going, right where you're at, where you should be at, because that's who you are. Until you go to somebody else, you give exactly what you should be giving out, a hundred percent, because that's the person that you are right now. Oh my gosh, yes, go find somebody who's 32.
Speaker 1:Mentor, mentor, mentor. Here's another thing that I learned. I've learned so much from older people. I've learned even more from younger people, from basically re-explaining the foundations of what I already know helps instill it in me. There hasn't been a person I haven't helped. That didn't benefit me.
Speaker 2:There's no way they could, because you can't help them if they don't benefit you, because you have to be able to listen to them right, two ears, one mouth, before you can start even telling them. This is what you should be doing, right? You?
Speaker 1:have to know who they are.
Speaker 2:You have to have those relationships. Oh my gosh, it is so. If you just listen to a little bit of what he's saying and how important these relationships are, you would spend all day long trying to find relationships. Because he just told you he works for four or five hours, right? I don't know where it came from. Well, I do know where it came from the industrial age and Henry Ford and those guys wanting people to say, hey, we need to work for eight hours, right, because that's you know. I guess that's where you got the most productivity out of people before they would go home no-transcript. Like in what life can you change something you're doing every 45 minutes?
Speaker 1:Don't even get me started on the education system. Once I realized I'm willing to accept failure as a lesson, then I realized, oh, I don't need the standard education system because there's nothing that someone could teach me, that's already been done, that I can't learn myself. You see, college is a business and we forget about that. It's a for-profit business that's actually really subsidized by the government, because the government grooms children to go to college, to get into unforgivable debt, the continuous cycle. Now, I think college sells information. That's all they do. And because information is free, they offer things like parties and sports and experiences. None of that matters if you don't build the relationships and network in college. If I went to college, I wouldn't have went to class, I'd have joined a fraternity and just party and ride for my team, because when it's time to make, here's what nepotism is it's being likable.
Speaker 2:Ooh, hello, hello, I love it. Say that one again.
Speaker 1:Nepotism is being likable and anytime you see somebody who knows, someone who's getting up and getting better positions in life, you'll hate on that person, you'll be jealous of that person, but you don't understand the relationships that person has been fostering. I do a lot of stuff for free, dr B.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and I think anybody who's successful?
Speaker 1:probably does. I don't think anybody's successful and I'm not keeping count, there's no tally. I'm not saying oh, I did this, I did this.
Speaker 2:So you can let me know.
Speaker 1:No, you need a ride, you need a speech. I'll do that. In seven years I might be on the side of the road and I need a ride, or my child might need something in the future. I don't even got kids the idea of when you it there, you pay it forward. It comes back to you tenfold. Have you ever read the go-giver? Yes, I have. That's one of my favorite. I've given that book away so many times. That and the four agreements are one of my top two.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love those. I love those Rich man. Babylon is another one that I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I read this thing with all of my heart oh, and there's so many good ones. And when somebody told me this the other day and I've been after it because you're obviously a very good athlete, a good conference athlete you know the amount of work that we will put in for you know, if you go 10 rounds at three minutes, that's 30 minutes, right, so for 30 minutes, how hard do you work for five years or three years in order to have one bout that takes 10 minutes of your time or 30 minutes of your time? And then we complain that we have to go out and we have to work a little bit in time and we want results. Right, we want these results that are that, and we're willing to do that in athletics and in sports.
Speaker 2:And you think of the biggest thing in college is that you finished. And you think of the biggest thing in college is that you finished. It's not that you persevered. And if you created networking between my whole doctorate program was about me networking I didn't feel like, okay, I'll write some stuff or whatever, if you want me to write stuff, but the amount of people that I know now that I didn't know. And then I have this term doctor, that says I have some credibility when I go to do speeches or write a book or something like that. But other than that, oh man, what a waste of time and money. Yeah, unless you, unless you know how to leverage it. It's point so here's.
Speaker 1:Here is my view with it, because I had the opportunity to go to college and I decided to pursue boxing because I thought, if, if I have a national championship and you have an associate's degree and we apply for a marketing job, who do you think is going to get it? Yep, you are. I've got four national championships, you have a four-year degree. We go for the same marketing job. Who do you think is going to get it? You're going to get it. Now I retired with 12 national championships and, on a serious note, I did that not because I like sports. I just understood that my championships were college degrees and would be able to open up doors for me in the future. I have what is called athlete privilege. It's like white privilege, but you earn it. I get opportunities. I get led into doors because I'm good at punching people.
Speaker 2:Isn't that crazy? Oh my gosh. That's why I went to college. I was going to go to stud school because I wanted to be a stuntman. I was a special ed kid and my mom said this is how our minds think right. When you really are not, your clues right, and I was as an 18-year-old. My mom says if you just go to college because they're giving you money, they're giving you a scholarship to go, if you're a good athlete, you just go. I will buy you a Jeep when you graduate. That was why I went to college and not to stud school, so I could have a Jeep. I graduated college and I happened to be a good enough athlete to tour Europe and professionally in the track world to be able to do stuff, but at the same time I'm going for a Jeep. My mom didn't buy me, she didn't buy you the jeep, but it was just that whole system with the system.
Speaker 2:And now I think about it. You know I have, you know of my kids. My youngest kid is 28. They all have different. You know vocations and stuff like that. My son is a graphic designer, works for pix, so he loves, loves his job because he gets to draw cartoons every day. You know, but I think of you know the education system and I told them when they went in. You know, because I was a professor for a while and I said all I want you to do in college is meet people. You know you'll pass the classes because nobody's ever going to ask you what your grade is. In college. You got a degree. Nobody says, well, what's your GPA?
Speaker 1:I'll go one step further. A lot of these, a lot of like Facebook and a lot of these companies now, because of the idea of your college, can dictate what you probably look like or your income. They now don't look at the college you went to, they just look at the degree you obtained, so you can go to Harvard or you can go to the community college.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't matter it doesn't matter. Well, Harvard you don't, because they got an endowment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's how good of a business they are, Because I heard Harvard doesn't have to. They can use their endowment to pay for tuition for probably the next thousand years for all of their people. So it's just a way to compound interest. It's a business. It's a very profitable business.
Speaker 2:Very, very profitable business and the people who come out of it don't benefit as well as the people that are in business to do it. But that's in everything.
Speaker 1:I mean people who don't apply themselves and don't do it. Oh yeah, I understand the system you exist within and that's the same reason why I asked the judges what they were looking for. I'm understanding the system I'm working within, If I understand, if there was benefit for me going to college. It is beneficial for some people, but I think if you want to go, and it's not all that beneficial, I think it's a luxury and if you can afford it, enjoy that luxury. But if you're 18 and you're going to be in 12 years and be like someone forgive my college debt, Like nah, bro, make better business decisions, Like yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and there's so many other places to get education now. There's so many other places to get in and learn what would be equivalent to a college degree in a less amount of time, and then you rocket yourself into profitability and and doing stuff. And so you know the old system of go to school, get a good education, you know you'll get a good job and you'll be happy.
Speaker 2:That is god that american dream is dead that that that lasted in our you think about world history colleges weren't even in existence, you know, until like 1930s, 40s, when people thought it was important to go so that you could be management. That was the purpose of it at one of the factors you know. And so that's why then, all of a sudden, in the 40s and 50s and 60s oh, it becomes more popular 70s, 80s, boom. So about 40 to 50 years in our country, college has been important. Before that it didn't exist. Now it's kind of you know, necessity. I've been doing, we're gonna, we're gonna have to, because I want to respect time here and I want you to be able to talk about all the stuff you want to do.
Speaker 2:What I want to do, though, let's come back after this, come again, let's do this in a couple of weeks or something.
Speaker 1:I'm here for it.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, this is good. I want to do a part two and a part three because we are embarking on some things that I promise you will change your life. But I don't want to give you too much, where you're taking so much notes and you can't react on the things we've already talked about. So go back and listen to this, write some things down, take some action, like come back knowing that you've already done affirmation, come back knowing that you've already been done your gratitude, 10 things that you're thankful for and then listen because you're a different person, who even has opened up their heart and their mind even more to be able to be receptive to what we're talking about today. But I want you to try to talk about all the things you got going on, things we didn't talk about, and then we'll jump into another one in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess something to talk about. So I am a. So my elevator pitch. I'm a multi-time national champion, heavyweight Olympic boxer and former captain of the team USA national boxing team. I've hung up my gloves and picked up a microphone as, as a speaker, I speak at high schools and middle schools. I'm phasing out of that. I'll always speak at that. So I speak on mindset and resilience.
Speaker 1:So funny thing is, I originally wanted to get into boxing After I realized, if I understand the scoring system, I could be the best in the world. That was my thought. I was like my goal wasn't to actually be a boxer. The first interview I did in 2008, after my first nationals, they give you a piece of paper to fill out height, weight, reach, all that Final question was what are your goals in and out of the ring? And it's still up on the website today it's to be a good role model and have her host my own TV show. This was 2008, back when everyone was getting their own TV shows and reality TV. So I thought if I got good enough at boxing, someone would see me and give me a show. Have her host my own TV show.
Speaker 1:This was 2008, back when everyone was getting their own TV shows and reality TV. So I thought if I got good enough at boxing, someone would see me and give me a show, because I wanted to be a performer, I didn't want to be an athlete. So in 2012, after I got kicked off the Olympic team, I realized I did all this boxing stuff to be a performer. I've done zero performing. So I started doing standup comedy in 2012 during my suspension, and I still do it to this day because that was my passion, that was my love. But then I realized I was a broke athlete for like 15 years. I can't be a broke comic. So I started doing motivational humor, basically speeches in corporate events that are funny, and a D-minus joke at a comedy club gets you a standing ovation at a corporate event because their threshold for laughter is so much lower.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love it. I love it oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I've kind of built a business to where, like, what's up, speaking in Phoenix February 11th? I reach out to schools in the area and like I'll speak at a school February 10th, february 12th, and then I'll reach out to the comedy clubs and say, hey, I'm speaking in the area, I can sell some tickets and I do shows. So I try to do a lot when I go into one area and I I love, I love freedom, and freedom is given to you by money and that's the whole journey to freedom is, when they told the the, the shirt we wore in boxing was there was a police athletic league keeping kids out of prisons and in playgrounds. The idea of the program was to get you out of the hood. They never said how.
Speaker 1:So my idea was I was going to use boxing because you date hotter chicks, you get more opportunities. Everything's better in life when you're good at a sport. So I figured I'd just dedicate some time on the front end, front load my life with work. But if I do all the grinding and boxing by the time I turn 32, I can retire for the rest of my life. And I do believe I retired because speaking's not worked to me. I've been talking to you for like an hour or so so, and it's just made my life better, so this is not work in any means.
Speaker 2:And, like I said, success leaves a tremendous amount of clues right here and all the things that somebody gets to do in order to make their lives better and he talks about how he's serving others and he says, I promise you, when he's not calling the schools up and saying I want you to pay money so I can come in and talk to the kids here at the school. He's not doing that. He's got a gig that's making him money, that's allowing him to live, but then at the same time, he's saying, if I can use my time wisely, and some of those kids are going to grow up, some of those kids are going to listen and be able to do stuff I love.
Speaker 2:When you talked about I interviewed the judges, I think, like my track career right, I would have loved to interview judges, it just wasn't any judges. The time I get to run against Edwin Moses, which was one of the greatest hurdlers in the history of the world, that I get to run in the same race as him, I'm excited. But he's just faster than me. Period. There's nothing I can do. There's no judging, there's no nothing, but the things that I learned and the things that I was able to do because I was willing to put aside all these belief systems that somebody told me who I was and being able to say let me go work so hard at one thing, just like Ham is telling you, let me front load the work.
Speaker 1:I don't hold the work. There's no way to avoid it, there's no way to get through while avoiding it.
Speaker 2:You gotta work, you gotta work and you but. But it's also working smart.
Speaker 2:And those are the tips that we're talking to you about, because there's a whole lot of people that I respect tremendously, who went to work for 40 years, eight hours a day, work their butts off, like you talked about the lady in the cobalt mine who's got her kids strapped to her back, working 18 hours a day. That's probably the only opportunity she has to be able to feed her family and her kids. We wake up every day and say the sky is the limit. Anything I want to do, I have the ability to do. And then we complain about not wanting to go to work. We complain about I want to stay in my mom's place and play video games and make a whole bunch of other millionaires and a whole bunch of more money playing their games. Oh my gosh, I don't think we play video games. This is work first, man.
Speaker 1:Nothing against video games, but the people who make the video games aren't playing video games.
Speaker 2:Tell me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, woo, yeah, video games aren't playing. Video games, tell me. Yeah, I, I. And even so, one of the things like a lot of young people, they listen to musicians, they listen to rappers and they're like yo rappers. They're making money, they're talking about cars and partying and jewelries. I'm like, do you know where these rappers are at 11 pm when you're in the nightclub, in the studio, working, and if they do show up to the nightclub, they have to get paid to be there. It's your dumb self that you're paying eight dollars a drink for some girl that'll never talk to you again. You pay thirty dollars to get in the bar. You're waiting there to get online and the music you're listening to about spending money frantically, not being good with your investments balling out, making it rain. The people who are saying that are working and investing their money, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because money in itself we'll talk about this later because money in itself is a diminishing asset. Right, it's worth less today than it was last year, because it just isn't. It's not that things got more expensive because your dollar is worth less. We will talk about that. I promise you folks, we're going to come back. Thank you so much for spending the time today. Uh, I didn't know where the show was going to go. I never do, because we just allow it to flow the way it needs to be, uh, but you have gotten such a huge handful. Uh, there's no way we're not going to finish this for you. There's no way we're not going to talk about this and we look forward to it.
Speaker 2:So go ahead, hit the notification button, hit the subscribe button so you know what's going to happen. Please share this if you here. Here's what we're so afraid to do sometimes, like we know that there's somebody who could benefit from this, whether you know that they'll listen to it or not. Offer it to them, send it to them. What if they do listen to it and they become a person that you, because some of your associations you're going to have to let go. And somebody said you need to send somebody and if they're not going to listen to it and do this stuff and they're going to start pulling you down, then I'm sorry. You don't have to let. You don't have to separate. It's your family. You got to keep your family there's. No, you don't have any choice there, but you do have a choice of your oh, we, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 1:That's gonna be a conversation for a whole nother time. You, you, you don't just get to be family because we share a last name. You'll just get a jersey because you got the name. There's tryouts, I love it. So we don't talk about that next time.
Speaker 2:But yeah, all right, be selective of who you let in your team absolutely, oh, be so selective. Okay, so we are off for today. Uh, cam, don't go away. We will talk to you on the next one. Don't forget your guys greatest gift. He loves you if you allow him to, but we're gonna have some fun on the next time we talk. Talk to you guys soon. You.