The Day Earth Swallowed Two Draft Horses: A Teamster's Incredible Story

A garden plow turns terrifying in an instant when the earth suddenly opens beneath a team of draft horses in Bedford, Virginia. Hugh Saunders recounts the heart-stopping moment when his beloved Shire horses plunged twelve feet underground through what would later be discovered as a collapsed 116-year-old terracotta pipe.

The rescue operation mobilized the entire community – two backhoes, three veterinarians, and countless neighbors rallied to save the trapped animals. While others urged caution, Hugh insisted on climbing down into the sinkhole with his horses, demonstrating the profound bond between a true teamster and his team. "If they're down here, I'm going to be down here," he explains, embodying the spirit that defines authentic horsemen.

Remarkably, both horses emerged without injuries after a tense two-hour excavation. The incident uncovered not just the horses but pieces of Bedford's hidden history – including a Civil War bullet found during the recovery of lost harness pieces. Hugh reflects on what this experience taught him about community, friendship, and the special relationship between driver and draft horse.

Now driving a Belgian team purchased from host Stephen Haste, Hugh continues his passion for draft horses, regularly appearing in local parades and events that celebrate this traditional way of life. Their conversation explores what it means to face adversity alongside your animals, the value of good neighbors in times of crisis, and the unexpected ways history reveals itself beneath our feet.

Join us for this extraordinary tale of danger, rescue, and the unbreakable bond between a man and his horses. Call Stephen at 606-303-5669 with questions or visit drafthorseandmulesforsale.com to learn more about keeping these traditions alive.

Transcript

Meeting Hugh Saunders from Bedford

Speaker 1 0:01

Good afternoon folks. Stephen Haste here with Harness Up Podcast with Haste, draft Horses and Mules. Beautiful day here in Liberty, Kentucky, today. Been doing a lot of podcasts lately. Actually, I started recording quite a few here in the shop. I really wanted to get out and travel and go do them all, but I quickly found out that's not possible with what we do, so started doing some here locally and it's going really really good. And I had some people from Pennsylvania in the last podcast. Go check that one out. Y'all will really like that one. And today had another guy come here. He actually hitched a ride. I don't know if he hitchhiked or not. Did you hold?

Speaker 1 0:35

your thumb out yeah.

Speaker 2 0:37

I did. I got picked up and it was a good ride.

Speaker 1 0:41

That's good. No, he didn't hitchhike really, but he did get picked up though. This guy here, I've known him, I guess, for going on two years now. Super good, fella, and I've been wanting to record this podcast with him. And it's kind of crazy, though, because last week I went to virginia and I went right through the town he lives in bedford because I was going to cullen virginia to sell horses and I stayed the night at a gas station right or at walmart. Right lives in bedford because I was going to cullen virginia to sell horses and I stayed the night at a gas station right or at walmart right there in bedford, right where I sold him his horses. He picked them up from me at walmart, so, uh, but I want to introduce everybody to mr hugh saunders from bedford, virginia. Hugh, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 1:18

I'm doing good, steven. I've really enjoyed the team of horses I got from you. If If anybody wants a good team of horses, they need to call Stephen and Henry.

Speaker 1 1:27

What do you think about it here? I mean, you don't come to Kentucky much probably.

Speaker 2 1:31

It's the first time I've been here, and it's nice.

Speaker 1 1:35

Is this your first time you ever come to Kentucky?

Speaker 2 1:36

Yes, right, really that's right.

Speaker 1 1:39

Yep, well, I go to Tennessee every year but just not quite make it to Kentucky, Because you go right through the tri-state area and cut around Kentucky and go on in Yep, yep. Well, so it's different here than Virginia.

Speaker 2 1:53

Oh, it is.

Speaker 1 1:54

One thing I don't, I guess. All right, I like Kentucky better than Virginia. I'll say that. You know that, of course. But one thing I do like about virginia better than kentucky the climate, like over there in the mountains. If you're in a valley you always got a breeze oh yeah, the wind, yeah, it does and it seems 10 degrees colder than here yeah, but we still have the humidity there too. So, yes, yeah up on the mountaintop saying so oh yeah, I've been up on them. I had some ain't though.

Speaker 2 2:24

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 2:24

I've been up on them. I had some friends out of Lexington, Virginia, Buena Vista you know where that's at oh yeah, I know well the Cochran family over there, super good people.

Speaker 1 2:34

I miss them. They were some of the best people I ever met in my life. I don't get to see them much anymore but they had a cabin up on Irish Gap, off the parkway, up on the mountains, and they had a big family reunion in August, like a get-together, and I went up there and played. I play bluegrass music, I play mandolin and sing and some boys always call me and say get over here and pick with us. So I'd go up on that mountaintop up there and you talk about it'd be 80 down low, go up there 68, 70, cool, just beautiful country.

Speaker 2 3:08

Oh, it is. All mountains are beautiful, that's right.

Speaker 1 3:15

The other morning I called you when I was coming out of Cullen, coming back through Bedford, driving out the road looking at all them mountains. Blessed to live where you live.

Speaker 2 3:21

That's right. Yeah, Bedford is a beautiful place.

Speaker 1 3:23

It is. You might make Bedford a little more prettier with them belgian horses.

Speaker 2 3:29

Well, I get around town right much with them you do, don't you I do when did you start driving horses? Well, my grandfather had ponies okay and I grew up with pon and then a real dear friend of mine, Jack Reed, got me into draft horses Okay, and he bought Bob. And then we found out about Bob's brother and I bought Ben Okay, and then I wound up buying Bob from Jack.

Speaker 1 4:00

When did you buy them? What year was that?

Speaker 2 4:06

Let's see it was. Bob was born in 2000 okay and ben was born in 99, all right, and ben lacked a month of being two years old when I got him so that was your first draft team. Bob and Ben yeah.

Speaker 1 4:23

They was what breed.

Speaker 2 4:24

They was Shires, shires, and Ben never had had a halter on him, never had been in the trailer.

Speaker 1 4:31

Oh.

Speaker 2 4:32

And he was coming two years old. So I walked down the field and put a halter on him, got him up to the trailer and it took a little while to get him in the trailer, but we got him in it, brought him home to get him in the trailer, but we got him in it, brought him home, put him in the barn, got him out the next day. I had three halters on him, a chain and two ropes, and he tried to pull the barn down, but 30 days later we plowed the potatoes out with him so he come along oh yeah, oh yeah come quick.

Speaker 1 5:04

You still got one of those horses, though.

Speaker 2 5:06

Ben.

Speaker 1 5:07

You still got Ben.

Speaker 2 5:07

I lost Bob this year.

Speaker 1 5:09

So you had both of them. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 5:12

Yeah, you told me that Bob would have been 25 in June. Ben would be 26 in August.

Speaker 1 5:19

You don't use him now that he just go out and pet him. He's retired. Now that he just go out and pet him, he's retired.

Speaker 2 5:23

Does he like your other horses? They've not even seen each other.

Speaker 1 5:27

Really.

Hugh's Journey with Draft Horses

Speaker 2 5:27

Two different places.

Speaker 1 5:28

Oh, you keep them two different lots.

Speaker 2 5:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 5:31

You live right in town, in Bedford.

Speaker 2 5:32

I do.

Speaker 1 5:33

Keep your horses in town.

Speaker 2 5:34

I do.

Speaker 1 5:35

You're blessed to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 5:37

I know.

Speaker 1 5:40

We was talking out here before we came in here about your barn, how you probably got grandfathered in maybe a little bit to be able to have the property there. Hugh has got a story, guys, and it's going to be kind of the main point of this podcast. I wanted him to tell the story about this because I never heard nothing like it in my life, and when we first started talking about him buying a team from me, he told me this story. Uh, I couldn't believe it. I said I want to see this. He said, well, I'll send you some pictures. Well, he just had them on the regular pictures. So he um had a friend, somebody, a friend of yours or somebody yeah, as a as a photoshop in town okay.

Speaker 1 6:18

They scanned them and emailed them to me and it's mind-blowing. I've got the photos. We're doing this podcast, just audio. It's a whole lot easier. Here in the office I don't have a way to really set up and hold the camera and it's kind of hard. But I'm going to do a blog on the website. So you go to the website wwwdraughthorsesandmulesforsalecom and you check that out and all the pictures are going to be on this blog and and I'm going to do a little write-up of you in this podcast. So be sure to go there and check out those pictures if you're out there listening to this. But this is the story of his horses and something that happened to him that I know it's probably happened to somebody else before in the world, but I don't know. I don't know where or who. It's kind of a weird thing that happened and, uh, I'm gonna let you tell you about it, what he was doing and what happened. Just let him talk a little bit about it okay, I was.

Speaker 2 7:11

I had my team of shires down next to my parents restaurant in bedford in the town of city of bedford at the time and we've always had a garden there beside of the restaurant and raised tomatoes and lettuce and peppers and squash and everything for the for the restaurant. And instead of using my tractor, that day I had my team of shires in a 65 chattanooga plow and I was coming across the garden and I lacked about two furs of finish in the garden and I noticed bob's rear rear end was down on the ground and I had no idea what was going on. So I let go of the plow and took the lines over my head, walked around the side of him and the earth just opened up and he dropped straight down about 12 feet in the ground and then ben he came around being harnessed together. He was down in the hole with him.

Speaker 2 8:21

So I get on my cell phone and call 9-1-1 first time I'd ever called 9-1-1 and said give me a backhoe down here on 4th Street I got two horses in a sinkhole and the city did send a backhoe down there and somebody called a friend of mine, smith Ferris, and he sent a backhoe down there as well. Somebody I don't know, who called some vets and we had three vets there. They dropped syringes down. I got down in the hole with the horses and they dropped syringes down to me and I gave the horses shots and but I said the horses probably did better than I did. I probably should have taken the shots myself.

Speaker 1 9:11

So you went down with them when they went down in the hole.

Speaker 2 9:14

No, you didn't. No, I didn't, but I did get down there with them.

Speaker 1 9:17

Well, yeah, you had to to get them out.

Speaker 2 9:20

And everybody was telling me you know you need to get out, and I said no. And everybody was telling me you know you need to get out and I said no, if they're down here.

Speaker 1 9:28

I'm going to be down here. That's a true teamster.

Speaker 2 9:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 9:31

A lot of people don't understand in the draft horse world. Well, any horse world. But a teamster is not just the horses, it's the guy driving them too. It's a three-part team, not two, and that's the guy driving them too. It's a three-part team, not two. And that's the way we are like, if I'm out on the road and I have sleep in the, if the horses have to stay all night in the trailer, I'm staying all night in the truck with them. I ain't gonna leave them, you know, and that's the same way with you there. They're in the hole. You're gonna go in there with.

Speaker 1 9:59

That's right yeah, so how long did it take to dig them out?

Speaker 2 10:05

it took about two hours because one horse was facing east and the other horse was facing west and Bob was facing east and but all the dirt that was on top of the ground when it broke through packed around him when he went down.

Speaker 1 10:26

I guess yeah.

The Sinkhole Incident in Bedford

Speaker 2 10:28

And then Ben went in so he really wasn't confined like Bob, and so they took a backhoe and they dug a ramp in front of Ben, left a wall of dirt in front of him, dug the ramp, and when they knocked that wall of dirt in front of him, dug the ramp, and when they knocked that wall of dirt down and he saw daylight man, he was out of there. But Bob, you know, they dug a ramp in front of him but we had to hand, dig around him and try to get as close with the backhoe, hopefully not hitting his legs, you know, and it was scary oh yeah, I bet it was, and he was trying so hard and I was trying to hold him to keep from him falling over backwards, you know, and breaking his legs.

Speaker 2 11:18

Didn't know whether his legs were broke or not.

Speaker 1 11:20

Anyway, what injuries did they sustain?

Speaker 2 11:25

Absolutely nothing. I took them to the Bedford Animal Hospital for the night and they had no injuries from that. But Dr Nell Brown was one of the vets that was there and she found a squeamish cell of skin cancer in Ben's eyelid and she removed one whole eyelid and part of another one. To this day you can't tell it.

Speaker 1 11:53

What do you think? Was it a gap? What was it? What was the hole?

Speaker 2 11:58

And they dug it up. The city sent a trico down there to dig it up and it was a three-foot terracotta pipe that ran a spring across our property. And in doing research, which I did, a lot of research in three years.

Speaker 1 12:16

Oh yeah, I bet you did.

Speaker 2 12:16

Yeah, in 1891, fourth Street came over top of the railroad track. In 1905, they dug all of Biffett Avenue out and put the road under the railroad track. So all that dirt in 1905, what were they? Moving it with Scoops.

Speaker 1 12:39

Horses, yeah, horses and pond scoops we got them, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 12:43

Scoops, horses, yeah, horses and pond scoops, we gone, yep, yep. So they laid a three-foot terracotta pipe in that spring and covered it over and made our lot that our restaurant was sitting on.

Speaker 1 12:53

Unbelievable yeah, is the restaurant still there today?

Speaker 2 12:57

The restaurant is still there.

Speaker 1 12:59

Is it open?

Speaker 2 13:00

No, no, my sister sold it. So when you go past, you still go past that lot every day, every day with your new horses. Oh yeah, and when I lost some of the harness in the hole where the horses were. So a friend of mine came down there with a metal detector and he was coming down the ramp and he said there's something right here. I said no. I said the, the harness is down here in the deep hole. So he went down and showed me where to dig. I was down there digging. He went back up. He said here it is. It was a civil war bullet. See, all that, all that was covered over and this was probably four or five feet in the ground.

Speaker 1 13:48

Then he found a civil war bullet crazy to think back that far, but virginia is an old state, like what? Year 17, I can't remember oh, when it started?

Speaker 2 13:59

yeah, 16. 1607. 1607. In Jamestown.

Speaker 1 14:03

Virginia's got a lot of history.

Speaker 2 14:04

Oh, yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 14:06

A lot it really does. Yeah, the Civil War bullet. Yeah, we was talking about Gettysburg and the Civil War. We just did that podcast. There's those bullets everywhere. I'd say there's a lot more in that hole than that one you found.

Speaker 2 14:19

Oh yeah, most definitely yeah.

Speaker 1 14:23

That's amazing. The chances of that happening to somebody in a team is slim to none. I've never heard of it.

Speaker 2 14:31

Yeah, and you know I hated my horses were in the hole, but if I hadn't had them there that day I'd have been on my tractor and that wouldn't have been good either.

Speaker 1 14:40

Well, that would have been Golly. I bet every time you drive past now you still look at that whole lot, you still oh yeah, you have to think about it every time you go past it it's always on my mind, always something freaky like that man. I couldn't believe it. When you first told me about it, I was like like uh-oh, what is this? So you got your new team now Are you plowing any since Mac? And?

Speaker 2 15:08

Joe.

Speaker 1 15:08

Mac and Joe.

Speaker 2 15:10

Really can't follow a plow anymore because I'm having some lung problems. Why?

Speaker 1 15:14

don't you get you a riding plow.

Speaker 2 15:15

That's what I need.

Speaker 1 15:17

White horse. You seen them White horse riding plow. They're made up in Pennsylvania. You'd love one. Or get you a used pioneer plow, sit on it and ride and plow away, that's right, that's what I need, and I probably will one day yeah. You've got a good team to do it with.

Speaker 2 15:36

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 15:37

So you like taking your team in town and riding around? I ride all over town town.

Speaker 2 15:46

I do the festivals at gross's orchard. Yeah, we do carriage rides at christmas time in town. I did the christmas parade with them. They never missed a beat. I didn't even have to tell them whoa and come up, just whoever's in front of me. When they'd go, my horses would go, they'd stop, my horses would stop.

Speaker 1 16:04

Like they've done it their whole life. That's right. You've got a good team. That was one of my favorite teams I ever sold. I had them. I liked them from day one.

Speaker 2 16:14

They're on YouTube as the best draft team or something.

Rescuing Horses from Underground

Speaker 1 16:18

I'll actually put the link in the podcast to our YouTube channel to the team he bought. That way you can see it and I want to get some. I actually got pictures of you in town that you've sent me Okay, so I want to put some of them on there too, yeah right. So people can see.

Speaker 2 16:33

And every time I take them out and get in town, Facebook blows up.

Speaker 1 16:39

I'd say so. I'd say so. I want to come over there and, uh, when I'm not busy, like when I'm not selling horses, you know I want to. I'm doing a new series on youtube. I started a customer spotlight and I did my first one with the people from gettysburg, just kind of showing how they are and stuff. But I got to finish it up with them. I got to go to gettysburg, but I want to take a few times out of the year and travel and go see my customers I've sold. That's what I'd like to do go see the customers I sold with their teams and visit them and do a video.

Speaker 1 17:14

Okay, I'd like to come over and do one with you that would be good and we could go to the site where the horses went in the hole and do right, go ride your team and check them out and be fun.

Speaker 2 17:23

Yep.

Speaker 1 17:24

Then I need to go see some more people in Virginia. Got a lot of people in Virginia, jason Rutledge, you know Jason, he's in the Suffolk Association. Okay, horse logger, big Suffolk guy.

Speaker 2 17:37

He's probably in the Draft Horse Association. He's down in.

Speaker 1 17:39

Floyd Virginia. Okay, good friend, he called me the other day. Actually I need to go see jason and do a podcast with him and all kinds of. I could really travel full time and never run out of places to go I'm sure, well, I'm sure I'd love it.

Speaker 2 17:58

I know that, like I, say y'all got a good name out there, and that's what it means. It means everything.

Speaker 1 18:06

We just try to be honest and just be truthful about everything we do. That's where it starts, you've got to be honest people.

Speaker 2 18:13

That's what we do Like I say I bought my horses right after you started. I think yeah.

Speaker 1 18:19

Well, me and Henry started together in 2023.

Speaker 2 18:24

Well, that's when I bought them.

Speaker 1 18:27

In.

Speaker 2 18:27

December of 23.

Speaker 1 18:29

Me and Henry started. Well, henry worked for me all the time you know, riding and doing videos for me since about 2014. You ever went back on YouTube to our oldest videos.

Speaker 2 18:43

No, I've watched mine several times.

Speaker 1 18:46

You can go back to YouTube and type in the oldest of our videos and go back and see Henry as a young pup Okay, riding mules, back in 2014 and 15. That's crazy to think I'm talking about. That's a long time ago Ten years ago, but it ain't too long ago. 10 years goes by in a hurry, and then I sold him part of the business in May of 23. So he become a full-time partner in May. That's when we started working hard.

Speaker 2 19:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1 19:17

Because he makes you work hard, never stops. He's good. I don't want to talk too much about him on the podcast. I don't want him to get a big head. He'll get all big-headed if I start doing that. But no, I'm joking. Hey, I'm blessed to have him and he's blessed to have me.

Speaker 1 19:36

There you go. It's a team effort, it is. It's a big team effort and it's a team not only with me and Henry, my wife, his wife, his kids, my kids, the workers, james Ray that works for us, even down to NNA that builds the harness, to Roberts that built these carriages to Weaver Wagons in Ohio. It's a team effort from everybody, yeah. And also it's a team effort for the customers, like you, because without you we couldn't do anything. So it's a major team effort. The competition too. We've got to thank the competition. You know, I went to a meeting once about a year ago, and a guy told me. He said, don't talk bad about your competition, help them and thank them and that's the best thing you'll ever do there you go.

Speaker 1 20:28

And since then I've tried to do it. If I meet competition, I say thank you, or just to be nice, Help them, Just help everybody. That's what we try to do and it works. So sure does you. Got anything else you want to say, Hugh?

Speaker 2 20:44

No, Like I say, I still have Ben and Ben's doing good. I'm real proud of him.

Speaker 1 20:54

Still getting around.

Speaker 2 20:55

Yeah, he's got a little catch in his get-up, but he went in the hole front first, okay, and he's got arthritis in his shoulders and that probably came from that fall. Yeah, it probably did. I wouldn't doubt it. Probably yep the jar. Oh oh yeah, that was a straight down, yep it just opened up. I couldn't, I couldn't imagine being you that day and, and it was, you know people standing there watching me plow, and you know my my hat's off to them.

Life with New Belgian Team

Speaker 2 21:31

Oh yeah, they took the initiative to start calling people. I didn't know what to do. I did call, you know, for that one backhoe, true, but man, yeah, yeah, and I've had a rough year. I lost three horses this year, yeah, and mostly old age yeah but, still rough though smith ferris runs the excavating company. He's the best in the world. He, he, I call him and he sends the guys and they, they, take care of me burial, they, they.

Friendship and Community Support

Speaker 1 22:09

I can't say enough for them, yeah good people yep I like good people in the world that's right it means a lot. It means a whole lot I got some of the best friends, man, I mean just rock solid people all across this country and you can't put a value on a friend.

Speaker 2 22:29

You can't, no, you can't put a value on a friend.

Speaker 1 22:30

You can't, no, you can't, you can't. Like Henry, if I needed anything, all I'd have to do is go ask.

Speaker 2 22:38

Well, ben, you know, in this same year Ben got down and I made three phone calls and three people showed up. I went home and got the tractor Between the four of us and the tractor, we got him up and you know what can you ask for?

Speaker 1 23:00

Yeah, when they fall, you've got to get them up. That's right. You've also made a good friend with another customer of ours, even.

Speaker 2 23:08

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:08

The guy that you rode here with Marlin Staples.

Speaker 2 23:10

Yep, yep, yep of ours. Even, yeah, the guy that you wrote here with marlin staples, yeah, yep, yep, marlin, marlin brought my four cart to me from you yeah, he did and we just clicked and we've been buddies ever since that's another good guy yeah, yeah, marlin. Marlin's a heart of gold.

Speaker 1 23:26

Yep, marlin's a great guy and his wife's a good woman, oh.

Speaker 2 23:29

Oh yeah, Kathy, Sweetheart, I've had a few problems here lately and I was talking to Marlon one day and telling him about them and when we got done talking he said Kathy wants to say a prayer for you. Yeah, he said the nicest prayer. That's good and it helped because I'm still here.

Speaker 1 23:53

Every time I see her, she comes up to me. She wants a hug. There you go. She ain't going to shake your hand.

Speaker 2 23:57

Give me a hug, that's what happened this morning when I got to their house.

Speaker 1 24:00

Yep, that's good.

Speaker 2 24:02

Did you have breakfast? I had breakfast at home before I left. What time did you leave? Bedford, 3.30.

Speaker 1 24:07

No.

Speaker 2 24:13

I left at five, I got up at 3 30. You see I. I grew up in a restaurant, so I do all the cooking. Yeah, you like to cook?

Speaker 1 24:18

oh, I was raised in the kitchen my grandma and grandpa owned a restaurant when I was born called seven gabriel's in burnside, kentucky, okay, and then they sold it and then we started on another restaurants and, um, they had a little deal there at the supermarket and I always remember my grandma cooking in the restaurant my grandpa too.

Speaker 2 24:40

He's serious about he could oh yeah, well, my, my papa, he, he was a real cook. He taught me a lot, yeah. And then he got me into the ponies and I've still got all of his pony wagons and pony carts and a harness and saddles, everything. And then when Jack Reed my buddy that got me into draft horses when he passed his daughter Diane told me, said everything that's horse related of dad is is yours, is yours because you was. You were just like a son to him now you still got your wife.

Speaker 2 25:21

Yeah, okay, shout out to your wife normal thank you for letting you come today and so when Jack passed away, I called Marshall Cofer and he brought the wagon and horses to the funeral home.

Speaker 1 25:44

Now, Marshall was with you.

Speaker 2 25:47

Mm-hmm, you picked the horses up, okay. So I met Marshall, yeah. And so I asked Marshall. I said can I ride? He said sure you can he. So I met Marshall, yeah. So I asked Marshall. I said can I ride? He said sure you can. He said get up here. So when we got Jack loaded up in the wagon and he handed me the lines and he said here, I want you to drive, he said this is the last time we'll get to ride with Jack. So that meant a lot to me.

Speaker 1 26:13

Yeah, that's good. They're texting me out there. Henry's texting me Wanting to go eat. He said are we all going out to eat? I think we are. That's what he says. All right, we're going to cut it off here and go eat, because I'm hungry and you're tired and hungry too. Probably so, but stay tuned folks more to this to come me and hughes going to do a video over in bedford, all right, here pretty soon, as soon as we get a chance. Thank you, steven. I appreciate you all right. Thank you all for listening and, as always, if you have any questions, give me a call 606-303-5669. Be sure to check out the website at wwwdrafthorsesandmulesforsalecom and also guys on social media. You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all the social media outlets, and also, if you're in Bedford, Virginia, and see a guy named Mr Hugh driving a team of Belgians through town, stop and say hi to him. He'd probably appreciate it. So thank you all and God bless you Until the next one. We'll see you soon.