Animal Whisperers: The Unspoken Language of Connection

What happens when two kindred spirits with a shared vibration meet to discuss life, creativity, and authentic living? In this soul-stirring conversation, Tiffany Foy welcomes longtime friend and poet-musician Manzy Lowry to explore the beautiful chaos of living on your own terms.

Manzy shares his journey from West Texas to New Braunfels, describing himself as "uncanny" and "uncommon" – someone for whom music wasn't an early calling but eventually chose him. The conversation takes a profound turn as he reveals the transformative moments at ages 27, 33, and 35 that shaped his approach to life and creativity. "I learned I didn't have to get an attaboy from anybody or impress somebody," he explains, describing how looking himself in the mirror led to greater authenticity.

Both Tiffany and Manzy connect over their deep bonds with animals, sharing touching stories about horses that recognize their presence from a distance and cattle that respond to their unique energy. These connections reveal a language beyond words – the same vibration that connected Tiffany and Manzy from their first meeting.

The discussion challenges conventional notions of selfishness, reframing self-care as essential rather than indulgent. "If you don't have yourself, how can you have it?" Manzy asks, prompting reflection on how we show up for ourselves and others. Their conversation reveals how both have served as emotional catalysts for others, creating safe spaces for vulnerability through direct questions and authentic presence.

The episode culminates with two moving acoustic performances as Manzy shares original songs "Narrow Ain't So Straight" and "Age," demonstrating his raw talent for translating life experience into poetic expression. Each lyric resonates with the themes of their conversation – finding your voice, embracing your uniqueness, and honoring your own journey.

Join us for this remarkable exchange between two free spirits who understand that sometimes, "being lost isn't the same as not wanting to be found." Your perspective on authentic connection might never be the same.

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Transcript

Meeting Manzi Lowry

Speaker 1 0:00

I put a blessing on it. Too real, that's a metaphoric. We just put the I in iconic buzzin' like I'm electronic. Ah yeah, I put a blessing on it. See me drippin' in it 24-7 on it. I'm just bein' honest. Ah, holy water drippin', drippin' from my neck to my creps on cue steppin' on it live.

Speaker 2 0:15

Hey everybody, this is Tiffany Foy. Welcome to the Ramblin' Gypsy podcast. And we have Manzi Lowry. I am so glad you're here. We have so much to talk about. Yeah, we have known each other for a very long time, A very long time, A very long time. We need to go back to way back when let's talk about how that all started. I want to tell everybody who you are. You have such a very free spirit, unique vibe that you and I have connected with from day one. There's not a lot of people that understand that. There's not a lot of people that get it. It's not verbal.

Speaker 2 0:58

Yes, 100%, it's vibration, Uh-huh, and I think that is very, very, very important. So I do want to touch base on that. But, um, tell everybody who's manzi lowry. Where'd you come from, where let's talk about this where's where's hometown, where's birthplace?

Speaker 3 1:15

where'd you? I was born in west texas, up in downrew promise county. Uh, I reside here in new brunswick now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:24

How long have you been here full time?

Speaker 3 1:27

Well, 08, 09, I moved to Austin, then Manchac, then Buda, then Kyle, then San Marcos. And then just kept getting closer and closer.

Speaker 2 1:34

I'm getting further away from the city Concrete scares me yeah.

Speaker 3 1:38

But I've been two years coming on like right by off Hunter Road, you know, yeah, pretty not in town. Two years coming on like right by off hunter road, you know, yeah, pretty not in town, and uh, I am, I am that it's kind of hard to talk about yourself.

Speaker 2 1:55

You know it is, but it's not, but it's a very it's a. Sometimes it's vulnerable for you guys, but I think it's important for people to understand exactly I mean it's, it's let me change the word, wrong vocabulary.

Speaker 3 2:08

It's uh. The way I describe myself is uncanny, uncommon uncanny uncommon yeah, it's like beautiful chaos, you know. It's kind of like being lost isn't the same as not wanting to be found. Exactly, and I'm a poet, travel with a guitar and know a lot of rad people like you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:41

And just learning, learning more and more and writing a lot. Where did the music side come?

Speaker 3 2:45

from in you. Where did that come from? Uh, my grandma used to play piano and I'd sit on her lap and put my hands on her hands really and how old oh we little young. Yeah, yeah, just to sit on her lap yeah um, but my immediate family wasn't really driven. We listened to a lot of music in the house but nobody really played. And then in college I had a guitar in my apartment because you know social gatherings, you'd always sit in the corner. Somebody would pick it up.

Speaker 2 3:21

Yeah.

Speaker 3 3:22

And I was playing a video game and my game console broke and I looked at the guitar and I was like I'm going to learn how to play, and I went down to the old student computer lab and turned it off. It was a bowling team because it was three chords and I started from there and just, I don't own a video console anymore. Wow, I didn't own a video console anymore.

Speaker 2 3:46

Wow, I didn't own a tv you didn't touch a guitar until college yeah, well, yeah, that was real kind of later on yeah, but you had no idea that that's it was my calling.

Speaker 3 3:58

Yeah, I didn't choose it, it chose me, you know. It just took a while to find. It's all part of the journey, not the outcome, right?

Speaker 2 4:06

Yeah, and poetry, yeah, you always seem to have those. I don't want to say comebacks, because they're not yes there you go yeah.

Speaker 3 4:23

Yeah, it's hard to use a $2 word every now and then. You know A lot of people get lost.

Speaker 2 4:28

My vocabulary is about a buck-oh-five.

Speaker 3 4:34

No, I disagree. I have a selfish opinion about that. To whom you need to speak with a lot of times, adjusts your vocabulary, correct.

Speaker 2 4:46

A hundred percent.

Speaker 3 4:46

And I don't adjust for anything, and I don't play for anybody but myself. I don't write for anybody but myself. 27, 33, and 35 are monumental years of self-growth.

Speaker 2 5:01

27, 33, and 35.

Speaker 3 5:05

Yeah, those are the apex years of self-group.

Speaker 2 5:09

Let's elaborate on that, okay 27.

Speaker 3 5:14

I learned that I didn't have to get an attaboy from anybody or impress somebody. I thought I needed to impress.

Speaker 2 5:23

What made that light bulb turn on? First of all, the fact that you know the term Atta Boy is I love, because I'm going to be 52. Good right, and I didn't really hear, which is kind of crazy, because I grew up in the dealership world. My mom started working at Bach Motor Company when she was 14 years old.

Speaker 3 5:54

Your dad's at the Chevy house.

Speaker 2 5:55

Okay, yeah, so being in that and that comes in the sales world as an attaboy and it's basically a yes.

Speaker 3 6:15

And so that's really cool. You don't really hear, so much of that, and maybe it's because I've. You were set up to do a lot of things yourself, to succeed yourself, to work hard. If you screwed up, figure out how to fix it, versus being helicoptered, maybe, or not learning the lessons you need to learn at an early age versus the old age. I learned that it hurts to get hit in second grade. I probably don't want to put myself in a situation and get hit Right right. It hurts hard now.

Speaker 2 6:50

Yeah, so at 27, what was? The turning point of that.

Speaker 3 6:57

I had a conversation in the mirror with my eyes.

Speaker 2 7:00

With you.

Speaker 3 7:01

All three of them I did Really. Yeah, you have to be self-willed and be real with yourself.

Speaker 2 7:08

Yeah.

Speaker 3 7:09

That's where the greatest creations come from?

Speaker 2 7:11

Were you in a downward spiral? Were you lost? Were you just?

Speaker 3 7:17

No, I was on a journey.

Speaker 2 7:22

I feel like we are relatable in so many different ways. I have one-on-one conversations with myself on the daily, even when somebody doesn't even realize that I'm sitting there going wow, and nick will be the first one to tell you that I will say look, I need to go take a lap.

Speaker 3 7:38

They never stop, see that. But the thing is is, uh, you've looked at yourself in the mirror and had a conversation too, and that's a whole different animal versus just you talking. Yes, that's hard. It's hard to lie to your own eyes.

Speaker 2 7:50

Yeah.

Speaker 3 7:50

But it's easy to come up with excuses in your head when you're not looking. The key to procrastination is optimism, right?

Speaker 2 7:59

Yeah, that's a very valuable point. I have a very, very dear friend of mine that you know very, very, very well. Um been in the music business for over 30 plus years. Um, we have been best friends forever. We're very, very close and um I ask him if I've asked him once. I've asked him a million times. You know what made you. I've been through all his marriages with him except for one. He's had a ton which is not uncommon.

Speaker 3 8:32

No, no For any artists Right here right here. Any artist.

Speaker 2 8:36

Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 8:37

Because we're weird people. Artists are weird people.

Speaker 2 8:39

They are very weird people, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 8:41

But it was a conversation that I've asked him and I and I still ask him to this day. You know what was your turning point? What made you stop and go? You know what? Enough is enough, enough is I. I'm not going to do this shit anymore. I am going to break my patterns. I'm going to and it was. He said it was the day that I woke up and he said I could not look myself in the mirror. And I said it took you all these years like what. You just woke up that one day and he said I did and I said I cannot explain it to you.

Speaker 2 9:16

I don't know how to it was that that moment, that day, and he was like what in the fuck is wrong with?

Speaker 3 9:22

you like. What are you doing? Did I waste all the time, but you didn't. No, because it took all that to get to where you can.

Speaker 2 9:29

We talk about that all the time.

Speaker 3 9:30

Listen more. Communicate with to whom you can communicate. Right, it's beautiful. You know, what hurts my soul is some people never get to that spot Right, so they have to rinse, wash and repeat you're exactly right.

Speaker 2 9:47

Yeah, I am married uh, separated, but to that person and I have not shared vocally, um, what has really been going on in my personal life until kellen. I just talked about it on an episode previous and I finally decided that one. Whether you want everyone to know what's going on in your life or whether you don't, social media is a way of our life. Now, for one, I'm sitting here on a podcast and I want to share life lessons and I want everyone to learn from my mistakes and I'm still learning from them.

Speaker 3 10:31

Please do you said the word mistake. Can you change that word to something different, but mean the same thing? You want some. You want people to learn from your what I'm just now.

Speaker 2 10:39

I don't want to say undecided because they weren't undecided. Now, I don't want to say undecided because they weren't undecided. They were choices.

Finding Your Voice Through Music

Speaker 3 10:50

But maybe speed bumps, potholes yes something right, because to me mistake has a negative connotation it really does, you're right.

Speaker 2 11:03

you're very right. Yeah, were they mistakes at the time? It really does, you're right. You're very right. Yeah, were they mistakes at the time? Are?

Speaker 3 11:12

they still no. The beautiful thing is you're not doing it for anybody else, you're doing it for yourself.

Speaker 2 11:15

Right, and we talked about going up the ladder and falling down the ladder and not falling down at the same time. I will never fall down at the same time.

Speaker 3 11:23

Yeah, no, I'll fall down at a million times time.

Speaker 2 11:24

I will never fall down at the same time. Yeah, no, I'll fall down at. I will fall down at a million times, but I'll never fall down at the same time, you don't need no ladder. Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah it's beautiful it is, it was kind of crazy how we were talking about how you know when you do awakening when you do wake up that one day and you're like, okay, yeah but it comes when you're ready. You can't force it that's the hard part.

Speaker 3 11:48

Even if you're aware that you need something you're not aware of. It might be a little while longer yeah, so you had that your first first 101 at 27 yeah and then and then.

Speaker 3 12:03

That actually made relationships stronger because I wasn't trying to impress anybody but myself. And then 33, 33, what the hell I can't get 33 and 33 by myself. The gist of both of them was what am I doing, to whom am I doing it for and why am I doing it? And I realized I was doing everything for what I thought, for what I had seen, and I was blind. And I came to the decision I need to not do anything for what I'm thinking. I came to the decision I need to not do anything for what I'm thinking. I need to do it just for myself.

Speaker 1 12:50

When.

Speaker 3 12:50

I perform a show. Somebody comes up and asks for a request. I only know like 12 color songs. Right, but I always say that's a beautiful thing. I tell you what I got something to love and I play whatever song I want, right, I never shun away. And that's working very hard on your words. Yes, it's always growing Mm-hmm, but, yeah, learning to do it for yourself, because if you don't have yourself, how can you have it Right?

Speaker 2 13:24

Yeah, same for every scenario for yourself, because if you don't love yourself, how can you love others?

Speaker 3 13:26

Right yeah, same for every scenario.

Speaker 2 13:27

Right and 35.

Speaker 3 13:30

Yeah, they're similar, similar. Yeah, I should have written those down. It was just another impact for another apex of self-growth.

Speaker 2 13:44

Self-growth. I was just about to say yeah, yeah. So you sat on your grandma's lap, you played a little piano, you picked up the guitar in college. You had some awakenings 27, 32, 33, 35.

Speaker 3 14:00

Yeah, I was always a writer. You remember in the old doctor's office the highlights magazine. Oh yes, I have a poem published when I was like in third grade. My mom sent it in and I didn't even know it. She told me years later so. I've always been a writer and then one thing that I oh, this is happening in the 33 35 I find in my industry for a lot from my experience, a lot of people try so hard to write songs they try so hard right and that's.

Speaker 3 14:40

It's tough, yeah, and I got into into funk where I just decided one night I was like I'm not going to worry about arrangement, music, anything, but I got to get worked out.

Speaker 2 14:54

Right.

Speaker 3 14:56

And I wrote it was so much free. So I've been writing a lot of spoken word. I've had several released and picked up Spoken word. I still got to get words out of my head. Yes, If you don't have to worry about extraneous squirrels. So much relaxing. I'll share with you a little writing.

Speaker 2 15:21

Yes, do.

Speaker 3 15:22

It says I've scratched the bitter taste of a thirsty drought. Most folks call dinner I've lost a tear of unexplainable beauty. Only a silhouette could hum with the melody oh, the simplest task of waking rested is a fairy tale I've bled for and it's just trying to fall asleep and shit like this repeats in my head.

Speaker 2 15:46

I love it.

Speaker 3 15:46

I kind of look at your brain, your mind, as like a hard drive. This is my personal opinion. In the end, you've got to clear out space to allow new space in, and that's what writing does.

Speaker 2 15:58

And that's what that does for you. Hmm, what about you? I need to think. You know, I've had some people on the show and had visited with a couple of writers that have done novellas and short stories, and then Sean doing his novel, and it's been really interesting because one, I'm not, um, a person of words but, and I don't ever want to be a butt person, but I just, I just butted myself but, and I just said it, again.

Life-Changing Awakenings at 27, 33, and 35

Speaker 3 16:41

You know, that's exactly the point, and I just said it again Use a different word. You know, yeah, use a different word and mean the same thing.

Speaker 2 16:45

That's exactly the point, use a different word Check suppose.

Speaker 3 16:48

Clearing my hard drive is something that I absolutely should work on, that's right, you do, but you fill it up quickly because you do a lot.

Speaker 2 17:04

A lot Like I am never stopping.

Speaker 3 17:07

You're talking about this beautiful place prior to what you're doing. You're making that one. You might just be in the trees Right. Go for a job.

Speaker 2 17:18

Yeah.

Speaker 3 17:20

Sashay on out there.

Speaker 2 17:21

There you go. Yeah, In writing. You just feel like that. When you started writing, did you feel like that I mean, that was cleansing your hard drive? Did you realize that that's what was happening?

Speaker 3 17:38

I was doing it, I felt I should, but I didn't do it for the right reason. I didn't do it because I thought and fill the space up with that, whatever I thought, I whatever, but throughout my travels and journeys, I don't own anything that I create. I don't own any song poem, anything that the ink is blood on paper for. I don't own anything that I create. I don't own any song poem, anything that the ink is blood on paper for, I don't own it. I'm just a vessel and I do know that I've got some information that people can benefit from and that's my. That's why I'm here, just to share positive energy. Yeah, I positive energy.

Speaker 3 18:27

Yeah, I like it, I like it and also respect my own damn time, the more you respect yourself. I've got a uh. I've got a theory. I'll share with you all uh line because I don't want people to pick up on it Okay. But I've learned it.

Speaker 2 18:45

I like it.

Speaker 3 18:46

On chairs and stuff and it's really helpful.

Speaker 2 18:48

Nice. Yes, I can use all of that I feel like, even in my experiences and travels and things that I've been through and what have you?

Speaker 3 19:01

I feel like I can never learn enough. Never learn enough, absolutely. That's why you, I am just a sponge, I feel like.

Speaker 2 19:04

I can never, never learn enough, never learn enough. Absolutely, that's why I just want to soak it all up.

Speaker 3 19:09

That's why it's beautiful, because you are that. There are folks that aren't that, and it's hard to see because you're on the outside of the box.

Speaker 2 19:16

When you were saying yeah, very much so. Yeah, when you were saying that um, you keep your voice for you and you don't change it for the crowd or for the situation.

Speaker 3 19:29

It's a slender mountain, but dang it, it's mine.

Speaker 2 19:31

Yeah, yeah, which is something that I will definitely analyze and I will think about, and that is probably one of been one of my favorite things about having people that I know on the podcast, that I thought that I knew on the podcast, and then we get into these raw areas of, um, yes, and new beginnings and things that I just didn't know about.

Speaker 1 20:01

You guys, and the job is about me.

Speaker 2 20:03

Right, right, cause we I feel like time is just flowing through and we never have the time, which is so sad but think about the 180 of that. We kind of have a shitload of time yeah, but in today's world and everything that's going around, we don't make that time who cares about? That Right, which is when it's your time. It's. One of my favorite things about doing this is sharing You're living on your time Sharing these moments and and that's okay, it's not selfish, it's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 3 20:37

From my experience, I've seen a lot of people be so scared of the word selfish. Selfish is not a negative connotation.

Speaker 2 20:50

It doesn't have to be if you're working on yourself. Selfless is a very broad umbrella very yes, yeah, yep, it can be extremely good, and and and it has to happen.

Speaker 1 21:03

Yeah, for growth, absolutely and if you've watched any of my shows or if you've heard anything everybody knows that I've been in therapy my entire life and I will continue to do it.

Speaker 2 21:14

That's right. But I'll tell you what one of my favorite things from Robin McGraw is her teaching women how important it is as a mother, as a a wife, as a business owner, as a human being, that in order for someone to grow, you have to be selfish right because it cleanses if you do not take care of yourself. Who is going to do it? Amen, Amen. And it takes a whole turn of that big, ginormous fucking word selfish.

Speaker 3 21:53

Having that one-on-one.

Speaker 2 21:55

That's right.

Speaker 3 21:57

And it is absolutely okay.

Speaker 2 21:59

It is, it is and it's absolutely okay. And then you can turn the word selfish into that's right, a wave.

Speaker 3 22:08

A breath Mm-hmm. You know, you could go out there and ask a wildflower what its favorite song is Mm-hmm. Because why not?

Speaker 2 22:16

Right yeah.

Speaker 3 22:18

It's okay to be different Mm-hmm yeah. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 22:22

It is, it is, yeah, it's beautiful that is.

Speaker 3 22:23

It is. We only talk about the folks in our history books that were different that's a very valid point.

Speaker 2 22:31

Shit, think about that for a minute, wow I feel like you're I feel like you're Rafiki on Lion King. That's right, you know. Yeah, yes, you're the mountain man.

Speaker 3 22:52

That's right.

Speaker 2 22:56

Like sitting on the yeah.

Speaker 3 22:59

Like you've got. Yeah, I dig it. That's a great challenge.

Speaker 2 23:00

Thank you Seriously, though, I mean for somebody that's, which I absolutely love. I love a good challenge. I love when somebody makes my mind works and takes.

Speaker 3 23:14

That's right.

Speaker 2 23:16

I know Energy and oxygen Vibration, exactly exactly. One of my favorite things to say is I will never get those five minutes back, that four breaths of oxygen, because I just wasted it on something absolutely the word waste is something that means the same thing.

Speaker 3 23:36

There's a great silver lining this is you? Didn't waste it. You gained knowledge on. I'm not going to do that shit again I gave it away it was your choice. Right, you're right. You didn't waste it.

Speaker 2 23:48

You learned from it right and if you didn't learn from it?

Speaker 3 23:52

you're gonna do it again, yeah, and again right and then you'll need a sandwich and a gatorade because you'll be out of energy yeah, you're gonna need to stretch and hydrate.

Speaker 2 24:01

Yes, cheers, yeah, so good, so good.

Speaker 3 24:06

That's rad. I'm glad that you're. I'm very grateful that you are working on everything that you spoke about about yourself. That's beautiful Signs of strength. Yeah, where did you?

Speaker 2 24:21

grow up. I am born and raised local in New.

Speaker 3 24:23

Braunfels yeah, and that's right, right, yeah, see, I was from West Texas, right, where I'm from is about 20 years behind here, and mentality of society is about 60, 80 years, 100 years behind. Yeah, so I find it interesting. I've performed there a few times. If you're not on football boosters, yeah, so I find it interesting. I've performed there a few times. If you're not on football boosters, you're not going to get supported. But I figured out why I haven't. People can't be seen with me because I'm a black sheep.

Speaker 2 25:00

That's exactly why we're the same.

Speaker 3 25:02

I performed there and the mayor came and waved me over and we walked around the corner and he was like thank you so much, Please don't stop. We love what you're doing. And I was out of body. I was like she's putting me around the corner. Ain't nobody here? I just smiled and said appreciate, it, Can't be seen talking to me. That's power, Wow.

Speaker 2 25:28

Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:30

I'm not walking around the corner talking anymore.

Speaker 1 25:34

I learned from it.

Speaker 2 25:36

Yeah, wow, that's, that's thick.

Speaker 3 25:43

Yep Like cream, gravy Shit Like cream gravy Shit.

Speaker 2 25:48

Like a bad batch. Your biscuits burnt. It's too thick. Your gravy is stuck. We can spackle the wall with it. You still got to eat it because you're hungry. Are you hungry? Mm-hmm, shit, I don't know.

Speaker 1 26:03

I might have launched that biscuit. I'm not going to lie I might have launched that biscuit. Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 26:09

Yep, yep. My daddy taught me not to miss, so yeah. I mean.

Speaker 3 26:20

I'd say you're in target to date.

Speaker 2 26:22

So yeah, wow, was that hard to swallow, what that moment.

Speaker 3 26:27

No, not at all.

Speaker 2 26:29

You took it with.

Speaker 3 26:30

No, I became aware, I didn't realize, I didn't realize, right. Yeah, I got some other stories too About that hometown stuff.

Speaker 2 26:45

Yeah. But I have always been the black sheep of New Brunfels. New Brunfels really didn't know how to handle me. And I have always just kind of been myself. I've been the black sheep of my family.

Speaker 3 27:04

So let me ask you why do you say that? Why do you say you've been the black sheep in the mud and your environment? Why?

Speaker 2 27:17

Why? Because I'm not a girl's girl.

Speaker 3 27:21

What is that? I'm not a girl.

Speaker 2 27:23

Well, women are mean, women are hateful, they are devious, they can be brutally harsh, they're racist as shit. I use racist as a very broad term and it's one of my favorite words. Yes, they're mean as shit. They are um intimidated by other women.

Speaker 3 27:54

They are, so that's what I was getting to. You're scared of you, right? Because you didn't fall into what they deem is societal normal.

Speaker 2 28:06

But if you ask any woman that knows me for who I am, they will tell you that I am not.

Speaker 3 28:19

I'm not, that's it. Just say not. You don't have to say nothing else.

Speaker 2 28:23

Exactly. You know what?

Speaker 3 28:24

would be rad is to have a coffee table book and just have one or two questions where they give you one sentence response and have the haters and the lovers and just like, just publish it and put it on there, yeah, and don't change anything. But that would be beautiful to see the juxtaposition. But they also correlate, right? Yeah, that'd be rad, yeah, yeah, it would.

Speaker 2 28:47

Not a bad gig. Yeah, not a bad gig, you're right.

Speaker 3 28:51

So it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 28:51

But yeah, so it was um.

Speaker 3 28:54

I've always hung out with the guys.

Speaker 2 28:56

Oh, very young, very, very young.

Speaker 3 28:59

Like like grade school.

Speaker 2 29:01

Oh, younger than that.

Speaker 3 29:04

That's rad, that's rad, that's cool. Yeah, I was, I was a tomboy.

Speaker 2 29:11

I was the yeah, you were. You were oh, yeah, yeah, I don't, I am probably um, and I get this from my dad. I am one of the most emotional people. I will cry at the drop of a hat. I will protect anyone and everyone in a matter of seconds, in a matter of minutes.

Speaker 1 29:30

I will be the first one Never think about it. You can ask Nick, I don't need to ask anybody.

Speaker 2 29:36

Yeah, I will jump in front of, I'll be the first line of defense.

Speaker 3 29:39

You'll have to get through me. You're already taking the bullet away before it even is pulled the trigger. I know that and the people to whom you're speaking of they know that. You don't need to prove that. Yeah, because your presence is already there yeah, it's already taken over that is 100% me.

Speaker 2 29:54

I will protect everyone and anyone that is and that doesn't need to be stated.

Speaker 3 29:58

Just like when you walk into any place, do you announce you're there.

Speaker 2 30:01

No, no, it's felt. Yeah, I've never been that person that has to have the red carpet rolled out.

Speaker 3 30:08

I, I'm like so many people that I know no, yeah, no, I'm saying Somebody walks in and they're louder. I'm like, oh hi, no, you walk in and it Because, yep, your presence is there, yeah, and you don't ask for it. No, it is.

Speaker 2 30:30

A lot of people ask me, and I don't know why this is turning on to me, for whatever reason. You're the second person that I've had on my show, that is, has turned the questions to me, but it is um. I've had a lot of people ask me why I have so many animals, why, um, how did I get into, why I have so many and what have you?

Speaker 3 30:49

Well, there's you love hard and you hurt hard.

Speaker 2 30:51

Yes, and there's um. At a very young age I I remember one of the very first animals that was ever brought to me. Um was the buck. Family is been around new Braunfels as long as the sectings have and um, I did a phone call I was probably, maybe middle school, if that and he had found a deer on the side of the road and I'd been raising sheep and lived in barns and pulled up, brought it to me. I've been raising sheep and did show, you know, lived in barns and, yeah, and pulled up, brought it to me. I was at home by myself and and I'm thinking he's going to bring me a deer and I'm thinking, deer, you know, yeah, yeah, nope. Pulls out this little tiny cardboard box, picks it up, legs just drop. And I'm thinking, all right, holy shit. So I take, take it in my bedroom.

Speaker 1 31:49

I mix up sugar and water.

Speaker 2 31:51

I literally made him glucose. Um made him a generic. Ivy did this all on my own. We didn't have cell phones, we didn't have nothing. You couldn't you know, just pick up the phone and call someone, and it was your instinct yeah, and within 45 minutes to an hour, that little guy stood up and his name was montgomery and he lived with me for three years. He thought he was a dog he was.

Speaker 3 32:12

I saved him. Yeah, he chose you.

Speaker 2 32:15

And that's.

Speaker 3 32:16

Did you save him or vice versa?

Speaker 2 32:19

It was both. It was absolutely 100. 110%. I had a deer when I was a baby. Yeah, animals save me every single day you can walk out to here at my place, and every single one of them has a purpose. Here I've got one that knows. They all know when I'm sad, they all know when I'm happy.

Speaker 3 32:38

They all know when I am. They're on different vibration levels.

Speaker 2 32:41

And one of them. I've got two geldings that I've had forever and they're three days apart. One of them is my jokester. He will take my hat off my head, he'll take my cell phone in my back pocket and he is going to do everything that's power to make me laugh.

Speaker 3 32:54

The other one breaks nice, the other one.

Speaker 2 32:57

Yes, I can sit in the middle of a pasture and that guy is going to stand over me and he is my protector, he is my everything. And a train could come up and try to get me. That horse will Nope.

The Language of Animals and Connection

Speaker 3 33:10

He is my. He doesn't have to be now, that's right.

Speaker 2 33:13

My bull out there. There is not a man out here that can walk into that arena. I can walk out there and lay flat on the floor in that arena and that guy will snuggle up to me like a poodle Right there, that one. Poodle Right there, that one. But yeah, it's so crazy. You can speak different languages.

Speaker 3 33:36

Yes, this doesn't surprise me. I'm very grateful to hear that.

Speaker 2 33:40

Yeah.

Speaker 3 33:42

That's beautiful. Yeah, that's very beautiful.

Speaker 2 33:44

It is. They give me so much when people ask me me oh my gosh, why do you have them? Because they're my, yes, they are my therapy. They are yes, it's a bond like no other.

Speaker 3 34:02

It's not. Somebody can't get 90 and one give 10. Everybody gotta work together 100, yeah, and I I would never ask why you have what you have of of anything that you have. I would listen to it, though, right, because there's something I've got to learn from it what's ironic, and I um and I realize it every time I come up here.

Speaker 2 34:26

If I'm not up here for a week or two, for whatever reason and I can, doesn't matter if I walk up the hill, if I, if I'm on my Vespa, if I'm in a car, if I'm in a truck, if I'm on foot or what. This entire herd knows. When I'm on this property, it's, it's beautiful, isn't it? Entire herd knows when I'm on this property, absolutely, it's, it's beautiful, isn't it? It is the most amazing thing.

Speaker 3 34:54

Did you hear that.

Speaker 2 34:55

Seriously, I love it. I mean when you think that it's cute when you pull up to your house and your puppy wags its tail or your child's face just lights up because they see you is absolutely that yeah On steroids when you have these guys, and yeah, when I watch my ranch hands work out there and they're like I can't catch this horse and I walk out there and I'm like Come on, come on, quit joking with me, I'm here, stop being mean to the guys I got to get back.

Speaker 1 35:28

Yeah, I know, and in times of strong sense they're like jeez yeah.

Speaker 2 35:33

I'm telling you, I was just watching them just a few minutes ago through the window and two of the horses had gotten out of here and I'm watching them, just chase them in circles, and I'm like oh. God, they have got your digits.

Speaker 3 35:51

They are playing monkey in the middle with you. It's so funny. I I punched cattle in college and my roommate was the foreman of the ranch, and so we ride horses a lot yeah and I always rode.

Speaker 3 35:57

He had galassino, which is beautiful when you're working out in west texas, because they're squatty, yeah, but they can out keep a quarter horse, they can work all day long few things. They're squatty, yeah, but they can out keep a quarter horse, they can work all day long. The other thing is they're squatty, so you, if you're going, you can just dunk your head and do this and they can ride right under the brush line and all the branches roll up at quarter horse. You gotta right. And uh, my jaguar rode this other one. He was only only Jacob could ride it yeah.

Speaker 3 36:36

And I hopped on it one time and it took me for a ride through a couple sections and then it finally stopped and I hopped off and I got it. I was like look, let's just go back.

Speaker 2 36:40

You don't want me on you. I don't want to be on you.

Speaker 1 36:42

Let's go, we'll do this together, yeah, and then he goes and I got out of the way and he's just yep yeah it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 36:50

Yeah, they do they absolutely do I had mikey, one of my ranch hens is out here forever and he he was with me for three something years and he was one of those that I and I freaking love this child to pieces. And when he left me, I I was devastated, I was thinking cause I was such a protector of him and I do this with so many?

Speaker 1 37:14

of the kids that work for me. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 37:16

And when Mikey was like I. I woke up this one day and I it was his birthday and he was like. I realized that I've got to, I don't get away from you, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to grow, I'm not. It destroyed me. I mean it's like well, I it was. I was so happy for him to spread his wings but I was. I was like man, I was like you can't. Who's going to take care of you?

Speaker 1 37:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:43

Who's?

Speaker 3 37:43

going to.

Speaker 2 37:44

I picked you up out of a van curled up in the floor.

Speaker 3 37:46

Those are beautiful lessons, though that you already know they need to learn.

Speaker 2 37:51

But he, I remember him.

Speaker 3 37:52

Being outside the box is so hard, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 37:54

But he, I'd come up here and he said, well, I hopped on Bellamy, and I said, yeah, and I put she's one of my biggest mares out here, one of my gypsies, and she's abnormally large, like they're not, and you want to talk about how things will be you? That horse picked me at this ranch and her and I've had this bond and it is like no other, oh my gosh, she is amazing.

Speaker 2 38:18

And she, um, he said and mind you, this horse has been through driving school training um, oh, wow, she's pulled, not single but double. I can put any child on her. I have put four kids one time on her bareback. I can stick my fingers in her nostrils, I can crawl underneath it, whatever Over her mouth, whatever it is. And Mikey said yep, hopped on her and I said yeah, and he goes. And she chunked me and I was like wait, first of all, gypsies don't chunk.

Speaker 2 38:56

I mean it takes a lot, they do and he was like oh no, she was not having it. I was like Mikey, are you kidding?

Speaker 3 39:03

me. You could have seen that. She showed that before you even got on.

Speaker 2 39:06

But yeah, but yeah but he was probably three joints into the gig regardless and yeah but but mikey was one of those that he took him a good 10, 12 times before, or maybe he didn't, but I love him to pieces. No, that's right, yeah, but yeah, I was like you got to be kidding me. I said in my first question to him was like are you sure it was Bill?

Speaker 3 39:29

Because, first of all, mikey, come on, did you see the stance she was in when you were walking up from a football field away.

Speaker 2 39:34

No. She crawls up on the deal crawls up on the arena. Because you can't get on her because she's that fucking huge, she's ginormous.

Speaker 3 39:43

And.

Speaker 2 39:43

Mikey's a little guy.

Speaker 3 39:47

Jacob, my roommate that was a foreman his granddaddy was an old, real cowboy.

Speaker 1 39:53

He had that connection.

Speaker 3 39:54

He worked horses and he broke horses. That's how Jacob learned. They did it to a way to where they, slow and steady, they didn't buck, break them. They gained confidence. They didn't want the horse to know it could buck. It was way beautiful and he could get in there. Jacob's little sister was sitting there. He had already given his horse to her, but it hadn't been rained, it hadn't had any contact besides, and we were all sitting on the corral panels and he walked around three times and he stopped it right in front of her and she was sitting right next to me. He goes, go ahead and put your leg on her back. And he's talking in the air. You couldn't hear yeah, he goes.

Speaker 3 40:42

Go ahead and just slip on and he's talking. And then he just took off walking, never had anything on his back. That's me, that's a connection. You know how to communicate. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 40:56

Not a lot of people know how to do that yeah, I did one of my little, the silly one I was talking about. His name is Inigo. Inigo Inigo but yeah, we did a photo shoot out here and he said minimal training. I've done pretty much all of it and he was a shit brick when he went to his little school for a little bit, came back home and he was totally fine he went off on a road, okay.

Speaker 2 41:26

So shurik, yeah, but we did a photo shoot out here. We did an all-day shoot. I had a shoot in the morning and then we had the family come out and we did the entire family shoot, and then I had an evening shoot with myself.

Speaker 1 41:39

So it was literally me and Nick out here. It was a long day. It was a long fucking day.

Speaker 2 41:42

Yeah, that's tough, but this guy, this guy that I've done a bunch of shoots with, he's a rock star, he's amazing, from Houston, and so we set out on the other side of the she shed here. We had lights, all kinds of, we were doing a night shoot. Oh, right. Have you posted any of those pictures?

Speaker 3 42:04

I did. I've seen so many yeah, so we did and I had Nick.

Speaker 2 42:08

I said, look, I grabbed those old vintage metal chairs and I had a nine-eye in them. Of course you know my place is all rocky.

Speaker 2 42:14

So I told Nick, my little city slicker here, I said, look, you hold his lead. And she said what do you want me to do with it? And so she holds it right there and she goes what are you going to do? I said, well, I'm going to jump on his back. She said, well, how? I said, well, I'm going to bring this chair right here, I'm going to grab his mane. And I said I'm just going to jump on his back. And that horse never has seen nightlights and I'm talking these big. We had stadium lights shining in his face. The rest of the herd was like, excuse me, why are we not involved?

Speaker 2 42:48

in this. My stallion over here is acting like a complete asshat.

Speaker 1 42:52

He's trying to shut off Totally.

Speaker 2 42:54

I was just as chill, as the day is long.

Speaker 3 42:58

I was just made me.

Speaker 2 43:01

Those are the moments where you go.

Speaker 3 43:05

I'm winning. I did it, I did it, you are. That's it, you are, you are. That's beautiful, it is.

Speaker 1 43:12

Yeah.

Speaker 3 43:14

The reason you grabbed a chair is because you did have a tree stump next to you, damn right. Yeah, because I cut it off With my own chainsaw.

Speaker 2 43:20

Yeah, yeah, but I think that those are that means you're doing something.

Speaker 3 43:28

That means you're doing something If you get that emotional feeling after the end of a point of time that you enjoy. That's rad. If you get an emotional feeling that you don't enjoy, which really is when you realize it. That's it. Become aware.

Speaker 2 43:44

It's when you don't realize it. Oh, when you don't.

Speaker 3 43:46

Yeah, no. When you don't, yeah, no, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 43:51

It took me a long time to realize that all the negative things that people have said and that continue to say to me. You know that one person that just continuously just wants to make sure that you're so cute. Oh, that's one of my favorite lines You're so cute and I love you. I use it in a very cynical way. Well, no shit.

Speaker 3 44:20

One thing that I like to do if I see somebody or hear somebody around somebody speaking like that, I just envision Robin Williams talking like that in a snl skit in in the late 80s or early 90s. It's so much fun it's so good. Oh yes, I love it but I normally walk away from the end of skit because yeah, so true, and I I really didn't realize how much of that I had. Yeah.

Speaker 2 44:54

Until you know and you've been to my resort a million freaking times from the day that I I mean last summer I stood in a group of 30 some odd people and broke every single one of them. I was like, first of all, we ain't fucking doing this.

Speaker 3 45:19

They stood in your group.

Speaker 2 45:20

Oh, and I called them straight out. I said this is my house.

Speaker 3 45:23

We got it.

Speaker 2 45:24

I didn't invite you here. They stood with you oh and I broke them up and I grabbed this Arnold Schwarzenegger guy that was just trying to start all this nonsense and I stuck my finger right in his face and I said you're going to back your big ass right on up and you're going to go sit down there and we're going to have a little time. You're cute, boop, yeah, I booped him in one of my favorite deals and then he got literally and within 30 minutes, manzi he was crying, I know, but he needed that, he needed release.

Speaker 2 45:54

That's why he was pent up, Well. I pent him up. I was back in the back of the bar and I was like first of all, you're going to think about your choices. You're damn right. Yeah, you're going to think about them, you're going to act right and you're not going to disrespect people here.

Speaker 3 46:05

the last time somebody spoke that way towards such individuals. I guarantee it's probably a football coach or somebody being abusive or aggressive product of the environment.

Speaker 2 46:16

I had a sheriff one time came down here and yeah, you know everybody's favorite little site 33, where the tents in the very corner, very corner of the property, where the huge freaking cypress tents in the very corner, very corner of the property, where the huge freaking cypress are in that very corner yeah, to the left of the state uh-huh, and sat over there and was going on and on and I said the sheriff was. Oh yeah, he was staying at my place oh, but was he off duty though?

Speaker 2 46:42

yes, and he, well, yeah, and was starting all kinds of nonsense, all kinds of riffraff, and I finally went and sat him down and I said who are you mad at?

Speaker 3 46:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2 46:53

And we sat on the bench and this guy had snot rolling down his face and I said, wait, it's okay. It's okay, you broke through his immediate.

Speaker 3 47:04

Yeah, I do, I mean I was balling with my earlier today, just because he's a defensive wall, right, you immediately broke through his defensive walls, but he was not aggressive, he felt safe, he was able to release. The thing is I do that and I have a rule with that. I say I'm willing to share my time and energy with you because I choose. I want to. Right, don't bullshit me. Right, you bullshit me once or twice. I say this is your last time.

Speaker 2 47:38

What is it? Shame on me once, right.

Speaker 3 47:40

But you call them out, yeah.

Speaker 2 47:42

Because I ask real questions like that. I agree.

Speaker 1 47:45

Yes, and then they have to.

Speaker 3 47:46

They beat around the bush once or twice. I said that's your last check.

Speaker 2 47:53

You want you want to continue sharing energy and time. You ask it again. And then that's when you see the right realness come into them. There's only so many people that can get real like that. It's the ones that. It's the ones that you cannot break through, that you know that they need it so bad.

Speaker 3 48:15

Oh, you absolutely break through. You did it. What? In seconds, you see them. But you also. I've learned you can choose to do. You want to do that Because one night I broke through two. I was in Idaho and I took somebody's negative away and put it in my pocket. I'll never do that again. I take it away, I throw it in the gutter and it depleted me for two days like I. I felt hungover and I didn't drink yeah because you have to exert your energy because it's exhaustion.

Speaker 3 48:50

You have to exert your energy to overpower the negative.

Speaker 2 48:52

Right.

Speaker 3 48:53

So always wear your battle armor Always.

Speaker 2 48:58

That's a good point.

Speaker 3 48:59

Be prepared, and if you're not prepared, you're caught in that field. Take a moment, yeah.

Speaker 2 49:03

Don't react.

Speaker 3 49:03

I like that I like that a lot, don't react.

Speaker 2 49:05

I like that.

Speaker 3 49:06

I like that a lot.

Speaker 2 49:07

That makes me think of how many times that I've tried to help and I've come out hungover.

Speaker 3 49:16

And you depleted all your energy.

Beautiful Chaos: Writing and Performing

Speaker 2 49:17

Yes, and then you have to recharge your batteries. Very true.

Speaker 3 49:25

I love that Now if you're aware and you put your battle armor on, it doesn't break your batteries near as quick. Right, but also no one will get the hell away, Right After you've already done what you know you need to do get out and not feel guilty about it at all.

Speaker 2 49:39

Don't feel no. That's one of those positive selfish moments that you need to do.

Speaker 3 49:44

Yeah, do this to yourself. But that's how do you sad feel? That's what you're here to do, right? It's one of your powers yeah you're not doing it for an attaboy, you're doing it because you gotta get longer down the journey no shit, yeah, you gotta get moving.

Speaker 2 50:07

I love it. You're doing it because you've got to get longer down the journey. No shit, yeah, you've got to get moving. I love it. You have a lot of very inspiring words and challenges that are good for me.

Speaker 3 50:22

Thank you.

Speaker 1 50:24

I like that Thank you.

Speaker 2 50:26

So what is going on with you now? Where are we at now? Are we writing, we're singing. Where are we at now? Are we writing, we're singing? Where are we at? You're always writing, clearly, yeah always yeah doing that.

Speaker 3 50:35

Uh, I got a 17 month old boy, uh, so that's fairly new tell me about that he's rad. He's really cool. His name is manzi towns, lowry and he's so cute and uh he, thank you he's he's like the good one, and then wife wants more. I'm like but we've got right. Yeah, and he really is. He's 99 talent, everything. He'll probably tell me when he's 10 years old and off the charts, everything.

Speaker 2 51:09

Yeah.

Speaker 3 51:10

He's nice, he's kind, he's sweet, he uh, he's good.

Speaker 2 51:16

I can see you being just so patient.

Speaker 3 51:21

To an extent.

Speaker 2 51:22

Yeah, Then there's yeah.

Speaker 3 51:24

But one thing though that I let him Do you make that a voice of opinion?

Speaker 2 51:28

Well, yeah, that's though that I let him do. You make that a voice opinion? Well, yeah that's easy.

Speaker 3 51:31

I let him make mistakes, jumping on the couch the other day and he was like okay, no, no, no. He fell he cried.

Speaker 1 51:41

I was like all right.

Speaker 3 51:42

He probably had to do it three or four more times, you know.

Speaker 2 51:44

Yeah, let him fall.

Speaker 3 51:47

Yeah, he slid down the slide too fast and skinned his elbow the other day. That's right.

Speaker 2 51:52

Yeah, that's a good one, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 51:54

He's a boy. Yeah, yeah, he's cool, he really is. You need to bring him here. Yeah, is he an animal lover? True, he can talk to animals, okay. Yeah, it's funny though, because, uh, we have two pups my daisy girl journey dawn. Uh pups we have right now. They didn't have time of day for him until he was about a year old yeah he was. He doesn't know his own strength, you know, and he liked to pull on ears and tails, and now he'll walk up to the dogs and pat them so sweet and then right, and they'll follow around.

Speaker 3 52:31

He goes out the backyard. We have a fence. The neighbor's dog come barking. The dogs will go out in front of him. It's pretty rad to see yeah he's got a connection with animals.

Speaker 2 52:40

My youngest son is very much connected. He has been connected with animals.

Speaker 3 52:47

He has got that for me, absolutely. He didn't choose you, he didn't choose you.

Speaker 2 52:53

He is one of the only persons that can walk into that, yeah.

Speaker 3 52:58

What's really rare, I've learned, is when towns meet somebody new or somebody comes up to talk to him, he stares at them. He stares at them. He makes you know how, like if somebody's you're talking to somebody and you know they're lying or something.

Speaker 1 53:13

The best.

Speaker 3 53:13

Thing you can do is just not say anything. And then they keep digging and you're like no, take this shovel, it's bigger.

Speaker 2 53:18

No take this shovel, yeah, keep digging and you stare at him and read him and I've only seen him like not dig one person.

Speaker 3 53:25

Yeah, I was like cool, but he reads people with his eyes. Yes, and then he'll be like hey, you want to see my toy? Mm-hmm, it's pretty rad. Yeah, my dog Daisy, used to do that.

Speaker 2 53:42

And if Daisy didn't like something or somebody or something I'd listen to. I have a dog like that. His name is Dolce Dolce Vida and he is let me tell you what he is not one to reckon with and he is, and he is an extreme, hardcore judge of character.

Speaker 3 54:04

they're honest If they don't like you, that's okay. They don't like you, don't force it. I was going to show you the last picture that I took with Daisy. Oh look, I tamed a unicorn.

Speaker 2 54:20

I love that. That's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 54:26

This was oh, these are those chairs I didn't show you.

Speaker 2 54:31

Oh yeah, you're going to have to send those to me.

Speaker 3 54:33

But yeah, Let me play you a song or two.

Speaker 2 54:36

Yes, let's do that.

Speaker 3 54:38

I don't know how we are or what we do. Oh, look at these. I found those in West Texas.

Speaker 2 54:41

Okay, yeah, so we want to talk about how. So what's really cool about Manzi and I's relationship and our friendship that we've had for so long is you'll be the first one that will randomly come into the resort or show up wherever and out and about and will bring me a feather.

Speaker 3 55:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2 55:03

A beautiful stone. This is phenomenal, and there are so many people that will appreciate these kind of things, and then there are so many that are just not going to get it. And that's beautiful and I get it.

Speaker 3 55:18

I'm not to educate, I'm just to. And I didn't find them, they were just on their path for me to help them make the tent Namaste.

Speaker 2 55:33

So tell us what you're going to sing, tell us about the song.

Speaker 3 55:40

You know what I say. I'm going to go in secrets. When somebody asks me what I meant, or what did I do, or what about anything? All right, yeah, you know what I say no, what did you get from it? Whatever they say, it's pretty rad, it's beautiful, I say thank you, it doesn't matter what I do.

Speaker 2 55:58

No inspo behind this. Oh, there is. I'll tell you how it initiated.

Speaker 3 56:03

So you know, mikey Yep, we write a lot. Yes, he was over at the house, we were about to start a session and then he got a call for a social gathering and he said I really want to go to that. I was like cool, give me three words, three lines on top of this page and I'll write about it. And he wrote down three words. Yeah, and I 15 minutes. I sent him a recording of it and.

Speaker 3 56:31

And here we are the title of it's name. We need to do that. We need to have a.

Speaker 2 56:36

Mandy and Michael a dual deal That'll be fun. I love Mikey. He's a sweetie.

Speaker 3 56:43

The title's.

Speaker 1 56:44

Narrow-Winged Social not to mention his hair yeah.

Speaker 3 56:47

I love when he braids it and his parents.

Speaker 2 56:49

Can we talk about them for a minute?

Speaker 3 56:52

she's, I love, she, I fucking love them.

Speaker 2 56:56

They're soft to the other people. Oh my god, they can't we have like. They're one of those that can make me pee my pants, because they're one of those that can make me pee my pants because they're so funny they are, but you also, they're so fun.

Speaker 3 57:05

You know, they're so beautiful they're so fun.

Speaker 2 57:09

Oh, I love them so much. Dang.

Speaker 3 57:13

How you?

Speaker 2 57:15

doing Good. Thank you for being on the show.

Speaker 3 57:19

Nick's always good.

Speaker 2 57:20

As long as she's home with me, that's when she has to go away for a couple days.

Speaker 3 57:25

I got something for you. This is titled Narrow Ain't so Straight.

Speaker 2 57:31

Narrow Ain't so Straight.

Speaker 3 57:37

What a story I'm going to find Good day. It's down, but I found a dollar bill sleeping in the gutter. Took it to the Texaco just to scratch off a winner. I've been wandering for years. It's a collection, it seems, striking matches in the dark and driving on the trees Like those in the past. It's this goddamn book. Close in the past, man, it sure feels good. It sure feels good. Do you feel this good?

Speaker 2 58:38

Well, I got locked up on a train.

Speaker 3 58:41

I was waiting on the wind, watched the explosions from a distance while I held on to the pin and I chewed on some rock salt just outside Decatur. It was his own daughter's fault when the evergreens became my friend. I'm frozen in the past. Yes, it's goddamn good. Closed in the past, man, it sure feels good. I feel this good and the road went so straight when you're bouncing on that wire.

Speaker 3 59:48

The worst cricks were silent. The fellow taught there's an old tire. Because I'm closing the pass. This is God damn good, closing the pass, and it sure feels good. I'm closing the pass. This is God damn good, closing the pass, and it sure so good.

Speaker 2 1:00:24

That was so relevant for my life right now. Good call, very good call, thank you. Yeah, that was really good. That was very heartfelt. That one hit me Good. I'm glad you didn't put that toilet paper all the way away, Nick you know it's. You called it right out of the gate. Don't take it too far.

Speaker 3 1:00:47

You might need it again, you know that term, catch the lightning in the bottle. Doesn't happen often but damn it when it does. I hope you got a mason jar there next to you with the lid you can put on and keep it on the shelf for a while, right, yep.

Speaker 2 1:01:01

I dig it Like a garden. That, yep, I dig it Like a garden, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 1:01:04

Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 1:01:08

You got another one.

Speaker 3 1:01:10

Sure, oh, this one.

Speaker 2 1:01:14

I know you got an inspo behind this one but no, you say you don't.

Speaker 1 1:01:18

You got three words, maybe four.

Speaker 2 1:01:20

How did this one start? I was in a real happy part of my life.

Speaker 3 1:01:22

How did this one start? I was in a real happy part of my life. This actually has my favorite, one of my favorite courses I've ever written in my life. Really, it's titled Age. I wrote this one and first read it the same night and I was in a situation where I was living in a pull-behind trailer. My vehicle had broken down coming back from the gig in West Texas. I had left to ride home. I had my dog, couldn't get to a store for any food or anything Communally, I didn't have booze for me and enough dog food for you know. And then I don't remember how many days later it was, I was writing and I think this was the last song that I wrote and I said Nancy, I say out loud, I was like are you depressed? And then all of a sudden, it's just like I could breathe more and the clouds opened up. I was like no, come back. Yeah, it was rough. Rough, it's called Age. You know, the beautiful thing is, I'm just here to sing stories and tell songs. Right, you're very good at it.

Speaker 2 1:02:35

I love it. You challenge and make me think that's very important, the words that come.

Speaker 3 1:02:40

I worried mine. I didn't want to fight, you weren't breathing, but you were alive, in the warmest summers and cool nights, in and out of those pines With a handmade sword. Long walk back home Again once more. Ain't it funny how the innocence escapes. What's all this age A child sees. It's all with age, a child sees what the dead already know. Just worry in, you'll be all right, or so they said. I didn't come back to bed. You hope that I was gone never to return. Ain't it funny when innocence escapes Us all in age, the child sees what the dead they already know Just where we end when we go, just where we've been. You are breathing, but you are alive the warmest summers and coolest nights.

Speaker 3 1:04:42

That's good. Ain't it funny how innocence escapes us all with age. A child sees what the dead already know. Just so we end when we do.

Speaker 2 1:04:53

Yeah, that's deep, that's good. Thanks, yeah, well, this has been fun, it's been rad.

Speaker 3 1:05:03

Dang, when are we going to start the podcast?

Speaker 2 1:05:05

hey, yeah, exactly, um, I want to have you back on for sure yeah, we'll just start.

Speaker 3 1:05:11

Uh, what do you call it? Uh, uh, yes, where you do, dad girl?

Speaker 2 1:05:19

I don't do multiple people.

Speaker 3 1:05:20

Come on, what do you call the next one?

Speaker 2 1:05:22

that's uh we'll do a series. Yeah, I really do. I feel like, um, I love that, the challenge that you gave me. I love that Um there's. I'd love to have Mikey on with you too and share that whole writing and that whole experience and see what he does. And that's so cool. But, yeah, yeah, such a blast, so much fun. I love you. I love you too. Thanks for thanks for challenging me, thanks for your words, thanks for now. Jungle did that. He flipped out of the chair.

Speaker 3 1:06:04

Thanks for sharing your time and energy. I learned a lot.

Speaker 2 1:06:07

Same, same, and I love that I feel like I still have so much to learn from you, and that's so important and I love that. I love that.

Speaker 3 1:06:20

That's cool to hear. I really do. I appreciate it. I appreciate your words. I appreciate your thoughts.

Speaker 2 1:06:23

I appreciate your analog, appreciate it. I appreciate your words. I appreciate your thoughts, I appreciate your analogies. I appreciate your, your spirit, you have.

Speaker 3 1:06:30

You have a spirit that I can relate to and I feel like we have had that from from the time that I met you and, and that's hard to find it's really hard to find, and that's probably why we didn't talk a whole lot throughout the whole time we knew yeah, we're trying, we were just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 1:06:47

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:06:47

Because, we have so much respect. Are you saving the hawk for?

Speaker 2 1:06:49

next episode. Yeah, we should yeah.

Speaker 3 1:06:52

We should save the hawk.

Speaker 1 1:06:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:06:55

Yeah, we definitely need to talk about the hawk. Exactly, I heard it this morning. I'm ready.

Speaker 3 1:07:00

Yes, I knew it Give me another drink.

Speaker 2 1:07:04

Yes, I love you so much. That was so fun, that was rad. I'm going to have to go cleanse my hard drive because this shit is going to be like after 2.30 I'm going to be going oh fuck, Get out of my head. Yes, God damn it Get out of my head. Yeah, so good.