SOS I Peter Nardi

A sliced finger, a kiwi, and a lesson in checking your props, our cold open sets the pace for a no-fluff, real-world rethink of the “eight tricks for life” challenge. Two years on, Peter Nardi returns to keep what still stuns, swap what no longer fits, and explain exactly why.
 
 We dig into the pieces that survive time and venues: the elegance of Horizontal Card Rise, the open-ended power of Extractor, and iChange, the interchange Peter refined over two decades to make cleaner and easier without losing impact. Then we make bold substitutions. Predator Wallet steps aside for Sharpie Through Card, anchored by Rob Bromley’s ingenious method and the everyday logic of a Sharpie. Fourth Dimensional Telepathy yields to Andy Nyman’s Sophie Trick, where story and structure turn an old Monte idea into meaningful mentalism. Imagine stays because mental photography still crushes lay audiences when paced with confidence, while the Mirage Coin Set earns its keep with Craig Petty’s International Reverse Matrix, fully justified by Peter’s “return tickets” kicker.
 
 The heart of this conversation is a challenge to “magician’s guilt.” Not every prop needs a five-minute alibi. Strong, simple methods often hit hardest when performed for real people, not theoretical critics. We talk audience psychology, why lay-folk don’t track what magicians do, and how to resist theory spirals that never reach a stage. Along the way, Peter swaps his book to Bob Cassidy for evergreen mentalism structure, names Tom Mullica as his dream island companion, relives the pride of 4MG on Britain’s Got Talent, and bottles a couple of horror stories, including that too-sharp knife, so they can drift away.
 
 Looking for inspiration for your own set? This episode blends practical technique, audience-first framing, and candid stories from gigs, TV, and shop floors. If you’re reshaping your material for today’s rooms, you’ll leave with clearer criteria and a few routines worth revisiting. Enjoy the ride, then share your eight, your banishment, and your why. If you like this kind of deep dive into working magic, follow, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more magicians find us.

Peter’s Desert Island Substitutions: 

1. Predator Wallet for Sharpie Through Card
2. Fourth Dimensional Telepathy for The Sophie Trick
3. The Magic Menu for Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy

Banishment. Magicians Guilt

Guest. Tom Mullica

Memory. 4MG on Britains Got Talent

Horror. Knife Through Kiwi, Through Finger

Show. Siegfried and Roy

Find out more about the creators of this Podcast at www.alakazam.co.uk

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open: Gig Horror Cut
• 1:33 The Eight-Trick Experiment Returns
• 2:55 Welcoming Back Peter Nardi
• 5:06 New Rules: Banishment, Guest, Memory, Show
• 6:09 Keeping Horizontal Card Rise
• 9:30 Extractor’s Utility Case
• 11:02 iChange: A 20-Year Creation
• 16:32 Predator Out, Sharpie Through Card In
• 21:00 Method, Angles, And Rob Bromley
• 24:02 Swapping In The Sophie Trick
• 27:37 Imagine Stays: Simple Hits Hard
• 29:46 Mirage Coin Set And Presentations
• 33:20 Stealth Assassin: A Wallet That’s An Act
• 36:27 Book Swap To Bob Cassidy
• 38:04 Announcement: Alakazam And The 1914
• 39:27 Banishment: Magician’s Guilt
• 47:16 Choosing A Guest: Tom Mullica Or Daryl
• 49:24 A Career Memory: 4MG On BGT
• 55:06 Horror Stories In Blood And Bananas
• 58:12 The Show To See: Siegfried & Roy
• 1:03:18 Final Picks, Recap, And Listener CTA
• 1:11:45 App Plug: The Alakazam App

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:00

And another horror horror story, I was doing a wedding and I used to do bill in Kiwi, billing lemon, billing kiwi, whatever I fancy doing at the time. I bought myself a couple of knives to do it. And I found these really nice knives that were foldable and everything, like pen knives, look looked really nice. But what I did was I gave my father-in-law one to dull down the blade so it wasn't too sharp. It was sharp enough to cut through, but he he would dull it down for me. And one day I I went into my close-up case and the knife wasn't there. So I opened the drawer where I had my stuff, saw the knife, grabbed it, put it in my bag with the kiwis and everything else. Went to the wedding at the table, got the kiwi, the kiwi's on the table, should I say, at the beginning of the routine, borrowed the bill, the bill vanishes, get on with my act, now pick up the kiwi at the end, get the knife out. And as I've gone to cut the kiwi, I got the knife that hadn't been dolled down, and it's sliced through the kiwi and into my finger.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33

This is our second episode of this, and I'm really excited for this series because it's kind of like a little experiment, because we've put this idea to everyone that you have to perform these eight tricks for the rest of your life, and these are the ultimate tricks. But maybe a couple of years on, does that really hold true? Is this really your ultimate list? Or do things change? Maybe your circumstance change and you have to perform in different venues and different environments, which then will ultimately change that list, and there's not really much you can do about it. So I think this is going to be a really interesting series where we can determine whether people are actually sticking to this list or you know what's changed. Now, today's guest is someone that we had on, I think it was maybe the second or third episode that we did. And he will love me saying this. He is still the most listened to episode. Now, I will caveat that by saying that is excluding YouTube watches. So if we include YouTube watches, then Darren and I think Nick Mohammed would be the first two. But in terms of our direct downloads from all streaming sites, he is still very, very much number one. Of course, he is the founder of Alakazan Magic. The whole reason that we're all here listening to this, in fact, it is Peter Nardi. Hello, Pete.

SPEAKER_03: 3:04

Hello, hello. I I I will say, I'll DB Darren Brown at an unfair advantage because we weren't doing it on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01: 3:14

So yeah. When I did it. That's very true. Darren, if you're listening, Pete has got beef with you for that. So there we go. Uh but yeah, we're very excited because you actually didn't have one of the choices. We introduced something after your recording. So in year two, we included the banishment. So we don't actually have your banishment, and I've got your list here. So your original list from uh a while ago, and I've spoken to you since, and I know that you mentioned to me maybe one or two of these items would potentially change as well. Um, so it's gonna be interesting to see where you go with it.

SPEAKER_03: 3:53

Hmm. Well, I I can pretty much have a guess of what I would have chosen for my first list, but I do need reminding.

SPEAKER_01: 4:05

Okay. Um well let's go through it then. So what ones do you think you remember?

SPEAKER_03: 4:12

Um I would say I probably had the vertical uh sorry, horizontal card rise.

SPEAKER_01: 4:20

Uh you did have the horizontal card rise, that is on there.

SPEAKER_03: 4:24

E2.

SPEAKER_01: 4:26

Uh you did have E2.

SPEAKER_03: 4:30

Sharpie through card.

SPEAKER_01: 4:32

Um you did not have Sharpie through card.

SPEAKER_03: 4:40

Oh. Knock them dead?

SPEAKER_01: 4:46

Uh you did not have knock them dead. Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 4:49

You're gonna have to remind me then.

SPEAKER_01: 4:52

So I think that shows us where we're gonna go. So obviously, our guests have been marooned on this island for two years now. So that means we need to meet up with them. They've sent out the SOS call, they've drawn it in rocks on the on the sand, so we're gonna go and save them. That means we're gonna give them some extra choices. Now, because Pete wasn't in the uh second year, that means he gets his banishment. So we're gonna allow him to banish something. Our second thing that we're gonna allow him is to have a guest on the island. Like I said, he's been there two years. He needs someone with him. The guest can be from the past, they can be dead or they can be currently here and alive. It's up to our guests. He also has a memory, so a standout memory from his career that he gets to give him a bit of a boost, a bit a bit of a morale boost. There's a horror story which he can get rid of. So this horror story, we're gonna put it into a bottle, throw it out at sea, and it's gonna drift away. And finally, a show. And what we mean by this, it could be a performance that he never got the chance to see in person, or one that he did see that he wants to see again. Whatever that is, it's up to him. And of course, he can switch out any of his original lists. So we'll go through his original list and see which ones he would keep, which ones he would get rid of. So let's start with those two that you just spoke about, Pete. Let's start with the horizontal card rise. So are we gonna keep that or are we gonna oust it?

SPEAKER_03: 6:15

I think I'm gonna keep it. I still think it's such a beautiful piece of magic.

SPEAKER_01: 6:21

And this is the one that made Emilio's knees go wobbly.

SPEAKER_03: 6:25

Uh it literally did. When when I performed it on him, which was a couple of years ago, I think, he those were his words. Uncle, my knees trembled.

SPEAKER_01: 6:38

But it's true, it's such a wonderful trick. Um, and I think it's the props themselves look the part as well. Uh, and I know that you've had ideas on advancing this plot as well.

SPEAKER_03: 6:50

Yeah, yeah, it's something that I'm looking at. The one I've got, I love it it's very vintage looking. Um, and the the presentation that I've built around it is uh it fits the prop. So it's about being a kid, um, seeing a magician perform this trick. And over the years, I asked loads of magicians if they knew of this trick, and no one knew of it until I met this one guy who said, I know who does that trick. He's the only one that does it. I got to meet the guy, he was very old at the time, and he left it to me in his will, and I'm the only person he's taught to do it. So that's my presentation. Um, but I also think it would be great if I could do this exact same effect, but make it look like I'm just picking up objects on the table, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01: 7:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 7:55

Um, so yeah, I am looking at ways to do it. But that I think that would definitely stay in. It's something I've loved from the very first moment I saw it. I think it's extremely magical. Um, the version I have, which is the latest Viking uh version or collector's workshop version, um works beautifully, looks beautiful. Um and I just think it's really magical. It's a lovely uh a lovely uh production of two cards, two selected cards, and and the handling is very fair as well, you know. Yeah, I I think it's pretty much perfect as a card routine, and because of what it is, I think you could probably do it on a small stage as well. Beautiful parlor, but I do think it would work as long as they could see the cards, you could do it.

SPEAKER_01: 8:59

Well, one thing that we didn't do early on in the podcast as well, which I've sort of gotten used to now that we've got the format sorted, is just kind of working out things about your list. So I've only just really looked through it, and I think it's the only stage slash parlour trick in your list. It was the only one that you had. Um I would argue maybe E2 could be a parlor trick. Didn't I have didn't I have the Sophie trick? You did not have the Sophie trick either. Wow. Wow. Um so let's go on to that one then. Extractor, are we keeping extractor or are we ousting it?

SPEAKER_03: 9:42

I think I've got to keep extractor because the extractor is a utility, you know, and it will allow me to perform miracles. So I I think I need to keep the extractor. There's so many things I can do with it, um, and so many uses of it. I know it it pretty much allows for two things. That's it. But with those two things, where you go with it is unlimited. So yeah, I I think Extractor would have to stay in.

SPEAKER_01: 10:27

Okay, so Extractor staying with you. Now I did just say that horizontal card rise was the only Parla trick. I think in terms of a trick that's built for Parla, that's accurate. Um, but I do think Extractor can be used Parla as well. I think that all day long could be used Parla, as well as the next one that was on your list, which was iChange. Are we keeping iChange or are we ousting it?

SPEAKER_03: 10:52

Right. You got me thinking now, because uh I've got to keep it, I've got to keep iChange. Yeah, I can't see how I could get rid of it.

SPEAKER_01: 11:02

Because it's we should have just given you a list of 20 at this point, because I can see in you you've just mentioned three others.

SPEAKER_03: 11:07

The the thing is though, when you're when you're talking about these effects like iChange, it's a plot that I've always loved. And I I don't like saying this, but to me, I think iChange is the best version of this plot I've ever seen. And and that's uh I don't like saying it because I created it. But I honestly I honestly do. It's so clean, it's so baffling.

SPEAKER_01: 11:41

It's it's about the the ease of it as well, because I've seen versions of this which are really knuckle busting. There's a lot going on in terms of misdirection and reloading, and I remember this coming out before I worked for Alakazam. Obviously, I've been a massive Alakazam fan my whole life, and I remember buying this, uh, and I remember performing it and being absolutely amazed by how much you're getting from so little. Yeah, it's so baffling to watch.

SPEAKER_03: 12:09

I I'm probably gonna repeat exactly what I said when we first recorded this podcast. Um, iChange was an effect that I worked on on and off for probably 15 to 20 years. So I I used to perform an interchange plot. Um, the one I performed, I reverse engineered by watching a magician do it on tell. So I knew there were Elmsley counts in it, I knew there were palms into my pocket, palms out of my pocket, and everything else. And I reverse-engineered what I believed was going on because I loved the routine. That was the first time I'd ever seen this plot. And um I just I really loved it, and for years I was just thinking this there's gotta be an easier way. There's gotta be an easier way, not only easier, but something that appears cleaner, you know, something that appears as if you're not doing anything and the magic's happening. Um, and it was one of those tricks that I kept going back to the drawing board. So even though I say it probably took 20 years to create, that's not 20 years of working on it every day. That's working on it, putting it on the shelf, finding it again a year and a half later, putting in a couple of days worth of thought into it, putting it back on the shelf because I couldn't get any further, and then a few years later picking it up again. But the actual period was about 20 odd years. And I remember one day sitting in the shop, it was a Saturday, and I was here with Chris Harding that worked with me at the time, and um, I spoke to him about the plot, and as I was talking to him, the idea for the gimmicks just came into my head, and Chris was quite arts and craftsy, and he made me. I I'll say it was a very basic set of gimmicks. I mean, you know, there was no peeling cards or anything, it was literally chopping cards and sticking. So some of the cards were, you know, two cards, Fick and everything else. But with that set of gimmicks, I worked out the routine and the flow of the routine, and it was one of those happy coincidences whereas what I had to do to present the effect meant the routine had to follow a certain direction, and luckily that direction became the perfect routine that made it so clean at the end. Do you know what I mean? That that was the only avenue I could have gone down with it, maybe just tweaking the order in which the cards went in the pockets, but because of what I wanted to achieve, the routine sort of worked itself out, if that makes sense. Um so everything just fell into place, and it's still an effect that I love today. I I think it's if I was to I used to perform it close up, um but for me it's if I was to perform it now, it it's that parlor thing. I'll tell you what, New Year's Eve, when I was doing that restaurant for Harry, I told you there was this really big table. A lot of tables were tables of two or four, but it was this really big table that were just really loud, really enjoying it, kept calling me over. That's the table I would have done it for. You know? It it's yeah, I just think it's so magical. So yeah, I would have to leave that in, I think.

SPEAKER_01: 16:15

Okay, so eye changes going with you. Let's go on to the next one. So you had predator wallet.

SPEAKER_03: 16:22

I love the predator wallet, but I tell you what, I'm gonna take the predator wallet out, not because I like it any less, but I'll be honest with you, I haven't performed a predator wallet in years. But saying that, you'll know this, Jamie. Me and Jenny tidied my magic room the other day.

SPEAKER_01: 16:51

Uh Jenny tidied your magic room the other day, right?

SPEAKER_03: 16:54

Yeah, Jenny tidied my magic room the other day. Now, one thing that Jenny's good at is if I tidy anything, I'm literally just moving stuff. I don't tidy any, I just move stuff, and I never look through one one thing I hate doing is looking through boxes. I I can't stand it. But Jenny's very good when she's tight, she goes, look through that box, because what you don't want, we're gonna throw away. And while looking through one of the boxes, I found my predator, so I am gonna relearn it. But so it may well be back in when we record there's an island you've been saved, or whatever it's it's gonna be called. Um, but I am gonna take it out and I am gonna replace it. Okay, I think I am gonna replace it with Sharpie through card. And I would say it probably wasn't in my original list because one, we couldn't get them made anymore, and two, I no longer had one. Since I've got it back, it lives in my deck, and I start every card performance with Sharpie through card, and once again, this has taken me years, and it's no great shakes or anything, but I just come up with this thing where I just say, I'm gonna show you something to start with. It's not a magic trick, it's an optical illusion. Now, for some of you, this might look pretty good. For the rest of you, probably won't look that good if you're at the wrong angle. But I'm gonna take this pen and I'm gonna push it through your chosen card. I think this is the angle here, and then I push the pen through. Now everyone reacts, right? But I've just said it's a optical illusion, so I still present it as an optical illusion, and I say, but if you hold on to the pen, if you have a look, there is no hole, there's nothing wrong with a pen. But the other thing is at the end of my set, I finish with, you know, at the beginning I told you I was going to show you an optical illusion, and then I wrap up every effect I did as being an optical illusion because none of it could have happened because there was never a deck of cards. And that brings me on to my final thing. So it just fits so well in my routine. It lives in my deck, never fails to get a killer reaction, and it's so easy to do. So Predator is being replaced with ST.

SPEAKER_01: 20:01

Well, I think that's a great choice. I remember again when STC came about, and I mean, growing up, obviously Blaine was on TV and you had cigarette through coin, and that blew up the industry. Everyone wanted one of them, and everyone was producing them. And then I think there was like an advancement on the method where you had like the um cigarette through one pound, which was a slightly different method. Um you could basically show both sides of the coin at that point, which was cool. Um, and then they bought out cigarette through card, which was uh a big thing, but obviously no one smoked, so it felt like a really bizarre thing, especially me being a kid. I'm not gonna borrow a cigarette and push it through a card, it's bizarre. It's just a pen that everyone has on them, a card that you can have selected, it makes absolute sense, it makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_03: 20:51

Yeah, I I was a performer of cigarette through card because you know I was a smoker. Um, I used to go to gigs where you know everyone used to smoke indoors and everything else, and I used to, you know, take their cigarette, push it through a card. And the cigarette through card was uh Rob Bromley's. I did that for years. That was a main part of my uh close-up. You know, when you hear people go, Oh, I saw you years ago, you did this. That is still something that people say to me. You took my cigarette and you pushed it through my card. It's still one of those things people remember me by. Um, and I remember having a conversation with Rob because Rob stopped making cigarette fruit cards because no one was smoking anymore. I stopped performing it because you couldn't perform it anymore, um, because no one was smoking. So I remember speaking to Rob, and I I and this was quite a few years after cigarette fruit card, and I said, Rob, I said, Can you make me a cigarette fruit card, but the size of a sharpie? And he said, Well, I'll give it a go. It's a different size to a cigarette and everything else, but I'll give it a go. And he made it, and it works beautifully, and one of the reasons it works beautifully, for one, like you said, it's a we've all got a sharpie on us, so it makes sense. But the second thing is a sharpie is tapered. Now, with the cigarette through card, you had to put the cigarette onto the card, you locate the hole, and you would push the cigarette through. You would have to push it through. It was very tight on that hole. Looked beautiful, worked well. The nice thing about the Sharpie is because the Sharpie is narrower at the bottom end, you can literally stab the card, uh, the pen into the card without even really looking, because the actual hole is a lot bigger than the base of the pen, because the hole is cut to the center size of the Sharpie. So you're you're putting the small end of the Sharpie into quite a bit bigger hole, but then the pen just travels through until it naturally stops. So in my mind, I think Sharpie Fruit card from a performer's point of view, I feel is better than Cigarette Fruit. Cigarette Fruit's genius, the method's the same. All credit to Rob Bromley, and even with Sharpie through card, you know, it's Rob Bromley's genius. I had the idea of the Sharpie Fru card, but without Rob's gimmick, that would never have existed. So, you know, it it is Rob's the big brains behind that. He created the gimmick that was so beautiful. Um, so yeah, Sharpie through card goes in, predator comes out.

SPEAKER_01: 23:56

Okay, so that's our first substitution. Sharpie three cards going to your island. Let's move on to your next choice. So you had fourth dimensional telepathy.

SPEAKER_03: 24:05

I'm gonna take that out. Poor Bob Cassidy.

SPEAKER_01: 24:08

What would you uh switch it with?

SPEAKER_03: 24:10

Right. So once again, I am gonna say I love fourth dimensional. Oh, am I gonna take it out? I don't know if I can take it out. Do you know what? I'll tell you what, Jamie. I've been on the island for a long time, I've performed it to death. I think I can switch it up. Alright, what are you gonna switch it for? But what do I replace it with?

SPEAKER_01: 24:35

Well, I mean, earlier on you mentioned the Sophie Trick, and I know that that's one of your big loves.

SPEAKER_03: 24:40

Sophie Trick is one of my all-time favourites. I remember the first time I saw Andy Nyman do that effect, and it it blew me away. Not not only the effect, but it it was it's Andy, innit? It's it's the presentation, it's the story. Because the actual gimmick itself is an old Peter Jeffries free card Monty. That's what it is. Um, but what Andy did was he purchased one and he created something that was unique to him, and it was the uh routine that I fell in love with, Andy's routine. You know, it had so much meaning, it was comedic in the right places, it's baffling. So it could be the Sophie trick, or it could be colour psychology, it's gonna be a mentalism piece. I'm gonna say it's the Sophie trick, I'm gonna replace it with a Sophie trick.

SPEAKER_01: 25:43

I will say as well, this is um just so that people know how much Pete uh likes it. You showed it to me in your living room about I don't know now, maybe eight years ago, it would have been. And ever since then, there's been a myriad of different shows that you've tried to put it into. I think did the guys do it, did 4MG do a version of it as well?

SPEAKER_03: 26:04

4MG did it, they not on BGT, but in their stage show, and it was it it was presented as Harry's crush on Amanda Holden. But we've presented it in so many ways. I mean, I I was thinking of um I was thinking of uh literally last night a presentation for it, but I performed the three card Monty with it, like as a three card Monty. I was gonna do it at Holly's wedding, if you remember rightly.

SPEAKER_01: 26:39

Because we yeah, we were gonna make the the gimmicks for it, yep.

SPEAKER_03: 26:42

Yeah, and it was only because of the seating arrangement at the wedding that I thought this isn't gonna play. Uh, not everyone's gonna be able to see it, they've got to really pay attention um to what's going on, so it just didn't suit the venue. Um, but yeah, it is something I think that the prop looks innocent. I think the mind reading that happens in there is direct, and because of there's a few lines of Andy's um that really make it for me, and I will say this was the the Sophie Trick was released in a limited edition by Andy Nyman and Pro Mystic. So I ended up buying the very first one um that they produced, and I said to I said to Andy at the time I was buying it, I said, I'm only gonna buy this if we also get the rights to perform your routine. Because there's a couple of lines that Andy has in there that make the routine for me. So yeah, you do get the rights. I don't perform Andy's routine, but I do use a few of the lines from there, which are which are incredibly brilliant. Simple, and if I said them now, that would mean nothing, but during the routine they're they're fantastic. Yeah, so Sophie tricks in.

SPEAKER_01: 28:23

Great. So the Sophie trick is going with you. That's our second substitution. So you've got three more that you can potentially swap out. So the next one you took with you was Imagine.

SPEAKER_03: 28:35

Imagine I would probably leave in. Yeah, I'd probably leave that in. That's so much magic for so little work, and we forget the power that something like a mental photography, something very, very simple, has on a lay spectator. Now I perform it, so for anyone that doesn't know, imagine it is pretty much like a mental photography, but on steroids, you know, it turns into a rainbow deck. You can then read their mind, then it goes blank again. I perform it where I start with it already printed. So as far as they're concerned, it's a very special deck of cards. Each card comes from a different deck. I start showing loads of backs, loads of faces. Um, so we show all that. Then I do a reading, a mind reading bit, and I um read sort of three or four people's minds, and then we put a card on their hand, the face of the card goes blank, and then the whole deck goes blank. And I performed, I do that in the shop all the time, I demo it all the time, and there were three magicians in once, three magicians, um, who have been in magic for a long time. We're not talking about hobbyists. I performed the magic on them, and one of them believed that I'd done two deck switches during the routine. That's how clean it looks. It it's brilliant. Um, so yeah, for me, imagine I think we have to stay in. I think it's super powerful.

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

Okay, so imagine staying with you. On to the next one, which you had Mirage Coin Set.

SPEAKER_03: 30:19

Yep, staying in.

SPEAKER_01: 30:21

You mentioned a specific routine.

SPEAKER_03: 30:23

International reverse matrix.

SPEAKER_01: 30:25

That was the one. Is that the the trick that you're sticking with from that? Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 30:30

Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many. I I would do my coins to pocket, I'll do my coins to cup, but Craig's international reverse matrix, I think, is just a beautiful effect. I I think it's lovely. When I honestly, I wasn't when we filmed the Mirage coin set, I wasn't a coin guy. I I done coins across, I done hopping halves, um, a couple of things with a coin unique. But when I first saw Craig do the reverse matrix, my first thoughts were I could never do that. I I you know it's I just wouldn't wouldn't have the time to practice it, wouldn't have the time to do this, wouldn't have to say all excuses why I wouldn't do it. Um, and then when I was editing the video for the Mirage Coin set, as you know, Jamie, if we're releasing the product, we've got to be able to dem something from it. So even though there's 30 effects on there, I said, right, as I go through editing, I'm gonna make a list of four or five of those effects that I want to learn. So when we dem it, I know them. And I think four or five, if you get four or five effects out of that, you've got your money's worth. I would have paid if I went up to Craig at a convention and he demonstrated that trick and it cost the price of the Mirage coin set, you only learnt that trick. If he could have persuaded me I could do it, I would have parted with my money. That's how much I love the effect. Um, but it it's so simple to do and so deceptive when you watch it, and it's beautiful. I think it's a beautiful routine. I do it with um train tickets. So I had some uh custom train tickets printed on poker size stock. Um, and my whole presentation is I want you to imagine these coins, uh these coins are trains, they're all gonna join together in the main station. It's the main station, but then that brings me on to my kicker of why the coins jump back, because then I look down and I look down as if the last one's supposed to have gone and it hasn't gone. And then I look down and I go, ah, these are return tickets, and just you know, just that little thing now makes sense why the coins have gone back, rather than just going, and they've jumped jumped back again. Why? Whereas by going their return tickets, just it's it's a stupid, cheesy thing, but it makes the kickback make sense.

SPEAKER_01: 33:16

Okay, so we're taking Mirage Coin set, it's the only coin trick that you've got in your set as well, and it also means that you've only got one trick that you could potentially swap out for now, and I've never been devil's advocate of this part, but I don't think you're gonna switch out for this one. I think it's gonna stay, and that is the stealth assassin.

SPEAKER_03: 33:36

Yeah, that's gotta stay.

SPEAKER_01: 33:38

I would have been surprised if that one came out because you know, when I think about you as a creator, the stealth assassin is probably the number one trick that still comes to mind. I think it's so synonymous with you and your legacy and Alakazam's legacy as well. Um, you know, I think we spoke about it on your your original podcast that mentalism wallets weren't really a thing before the stealth assassin. Uh it was the mind spy.

SPEAKER_03: 34:07

The mind spy changed it, and the assassin was basically um an offshoot of that because the mind spy was a larger wallet, and I I got really known for doing mind reading, and the problem I had was when I was out casually, the mind spy was too big to look natural. It was fine in a suit jacket when I'm doing stand-up or doing close-up at a giga or something like that, but when you're out casually, it was too big, it weren't a prop you would carry casually. That's why I created, I actually created the assassin, um, the stealth assassin, and uh sorry, the uh the stealth. It was the stealth, sorry. Yeah, I created the stealth wallet, and then um Mark Spellman had the idea of putting in the SUC side, which made it the stealth assassin. So the assassin is sort of a combination of my stealth and mark's thinking on the stealth, you know, and Mark's tweaks on that. So the um and the other good thing about having the stealth assassin, it's a 20-minute act using normal bits are inside the wallet. You can play devil's advocate as much as you like, give me one routine, I'll tell you what you want to hear. I'll do 20 routines with it. You're not on the island, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01: 35:46

And you are the boss, so I have no legs to stand on.

SPEAKER_03: 35:50

If it was one routine, if I could still do it, it would be Hollywood or Bust by Colin Miller. Yeah, I don't really perform it much anymore, um, hardly, hardly ever now. Um, but I have got I've sort of built it in a little bit to my cash cabaret routine. So I still have the the sort of celebrity reveal by built into cash cabaret now.

SPEAKER_01: 36:19

Amazing. So we only had two substitutions, so we've now got the Sophie Trick and Sharpie through card. Uh, you did also have a book and an item. You can switch either of these out if you want. The book you went for was the magic menu, and your item was music. Would you like to switch either of those out? Yes. Oh, what are we gonna switch out?

SPEAKER_03: 36:41

I am going to switch out the book. Okay, what for? Um, because I don't want it anymore. Uh for a Bob Cassidy book.

SPEAKER_01: 36:55

Oh, which one?

SPEAKER_03: 36:58

It could be any of them. They're all good. Any any Bob Cassidy book. They're they're all great. I love Bob Cassidy.

SPEAKER_01: 37:06

Yeah, I think uh I I would put his first book up. I don't actually own his second. Um I'm gonna pick up his second that someone was scouting out for because they're very hard to come by.

SPEAKER_03: 37:16

The first the first one's better.

SPEAKER_01: 37:17

You know, you've got fourth dimensional telepathy, the night name place, all of uh chronologue, all of the the Cassidy classics are in that first book.

SPEAKER_03: 37:26

Yeah, that and I think that's why I like it. So I will still have fourth dimension telepathy, Jamie, because it's a book.

SPEAKER_01: 37:36

Um are you gonna change your item or are you gonna keep music?

SPEAKER_03: 37:40

I would probably have I got a Sharpie?

SPEAKER_01: 37:44

Uh I'll give you a Sharpie for Sharpie through car because it's gonna be a bit rough, but probably I probably would would take my turntables and my music. Okay, all right. So we're still having a party on um Pete Pete's Island.

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SPEAKER_01: 39:23

Okay, so one thing that you didn't have is your banishment. So, Pete, I want you to imagine that you're gonna dig a big sandy hole, you're gonna throw something from the industry inside, and we're gonna bury it, never to be seen again. What is your banishment?

SPEAKER_03: 39:38

I would say everyone says egos, magicians' egos, and and stuff like that. I'm not gonna say that, even though we all know they should go. I'm gonna say magician's guilt. Right? And what what I mean by that is not some. much well no it is that it it's that thing where everyone thinks everything has to be justified if you want to do an effect you don't have to justify everything you know it it's it is what it is I mean wow is such an incredible trick and people go oh my god it's so good but I I would never do it because what is it it doesn't matter what it is I'm just gonna put this card in here so I can't do any sleight of hand you don't have to you you don't have to explain everything away not everything has to have a 20 minute backstory of why it exists it's I've got a box we're gonna put your ring inside that box you know that that's all I have to tell them I don't have to tell them why I'm carrying this box or anything else it doesn't matter it's it's about the effect um and I I'm a big lover of um props I I like seeing things I I do like I love people that can do you know serious sleight of hand and nothing's used but it doesn't offend me if I see a nest of boxes it doesn't offend me if I see a a weird looking prop. It it's I I think it's quite interesting I think it's quite intriguing to to have something that you can you know I found this in an old antique shop. Now bearing in mind you can use that one line for pretty much 99.9% of anything you're gonna perform I was walking down the street there was a really weird shop it sold one of these what is it I don't know but you can put things in it you know it it's so I would say magician skill because I've I've had this conversation so many times with magicians and you do feel that I I think a lot of people suffer this and I I don't want this to sound rude but I think the people that do suffer with this are probably not performers and I think they're probably showing family that do want to question everything because you'll notice Jamie as a performer if you go out they don't know you they don't know what you do and if I if I come up with a presentation for something I could turn around and go do you know what I collect things to do with Mickey Mouse. That's why I got this box they don't know I don't you know I'll just come out with anything I want to come out with they'll believe it and I think a lot of people that need to justify anything or go oh I couldn't do that because they'll want to grab at that or they'll want to do this I don't think they're performers I think they're people that do it at home and to friends and unfortunately when you do it at home and to friends they are pretty much the hardest audience you know um so for me it would be magician skill I I I would hope that all magicians would have the confidence to perform an effect no matter what it used.

SPEAKER_01: 43:32

If they love the effect don't be put off because the prop looks a bit weird you know yep I I think you're on the money I think that there's um there's like a magician's logic to things where I think magicians think about things differently because our brains are attuned that way that's just how we think we we think differently but I do think that we overanalyse things and one of my bugbears in our industry again without upsetting anyone is sometimes theory for theory's sake it's the idea there's a lot of thought um experiments that go on in magic where we think what would happen with this and what would happen with that when in actuality we don't need to be thinking about any of that. We just need to go out and try it and a lot of the time magicians who don't like a method will think that it doesn't work. So they're automatically explain the method away just because they don't like it when you know it will work. I I had a a chat with a friend a few weeks ago about the I think it's the Divernon trick where they uh it's completely hands off. You I think you showed it to me and they pick a card, put it on top, cut the cards, turn them face up, cut oh the lazy man's card trick. That's the one um and he didn't like the method and thought that maybe it would be too obvious so he was offsetting it by six I think um and then when I kind of said well I've performed this a lot of times um it was very much explained away as well they were just being nice there was no way that they would have fallen for it which is not that's not there's no logic there.

SPEAKER_03: 45:17

That's just uh I don't think it will work but it doesn't mean it won't work no and the other thing is as well I I think a lot of people that think like that probably subconsciously perform to either people that want to challenge them or people that or or maybe they they're putting it across as a challenge as a look how smart I am I you know going back I mean I don't perform that that much anymore but I did do that gig New Year's Eve. I'm gonna talk about it again because there was out of all the tables I did there was probably two tables with the alpha males on them within a trick they're on your side you know but if you try if you try to you're always gonna try and outsmart them because you want to fool them but you don't want them to feel as if you're trying to outsmart them if that makes sense. I'm not gonna all right mate well tell me how I do this then as soon as you've done that you you've sort of lost and I I think when people go oh they're they're just being nice I think it's because they have probably experienced those alpha males that will just start shooting out methods right or wrong they'll just go oh you got a you got an extra deck in your shoe you know it's not going to help me but they're just shooting out methods and once you start performing you learn how to deal with those with those sort of people and it doesn't throw you it doesn't throw you off but the worst thing you can do is be challenged or or sorry or challenge them. But going back to that lazy man's card trick no one is ever gonna relate that card to their card's position in the deck no one there's no way you know magicians don't lay people aren't because you're not looking for it.

SPEAKER_01: 47:43

Yeah a hundred percent yeah it it's yeah but I so go going back to when I said um uh I think magicians see things differently I think you're you're right there's like it's either you're challenged and then you know that affects the way that you perform and that's the magician's guilt coming in but it's also like if I took my car to a mechanic and there's something wrong he's gonna start that car up and hear a rattle in it or or hear something in it and know instantly what it is but because I'm I'm not a mechanic I don't know what to look out for but with magic the relation to that card we we can see that it's glaringly obvious to us because we are in that world we know what's going on but to the untrained eye no one's gonna create that relation that's that's the the magician's logic there. You know we have to remember we see things differently we process things differently we understand things differently in the same way that a mechanic or a plumber or any anyone else is is great at what they do.

SPEAKER_03: 48:48

I think the the other thing and I suffered from this for a while is we tend to because we know how something's done we see that as the effect being transparent and that's not the case because if you want to go and entertain and and fool lay people just keep it simple you know and and that will fool them it because they don't know what we know I I remember years ago um working on a TV show and we had the um the brainstorming session we all bought in some tricks and I bought in the one so I I said to to the producers the show has anyone got any change on them they all threw their change on a tray I wrote something down on a business card put it down name heads or tails heads okay we're gonna keep all the heads shake them up whatever coins are towels take them away we're gonna keep doing it till we're left with one coin they're left with one coin turn over my prediction I predicted the coin and the date on that coin right they turn around and went oh my god that is the no idea how how can you predict such a thing that's incredible you must really be able to read our minds you must be able to do this you must be able to do that now because of the the situation I'm in you've got to explain the trick because they're producers you need it for this show so I explained the trick and they went it's a bit obvious in it but that's it once you know we all think it's obvious and and if you're not an experienced performer that now makes you scared because you know how it's done you know and I have it we still have it in the shop people come in show them a trick oh that's great show me how it's done I show them they go it's a bit obvious in it and it's like well no it just fooled you but now they know they're going oh other people are gonna know that people are going to know that and it's that sort of magician's guilt that I think if we could banish that from all magicians I think a lot of magicians especially hobbyists would enjoy magic a lot more and anyone that's listening to me that is in that position where they're scared to do things that they think is too obvious for me just go out and try it.

SPEAKER_01: 51:25

Go out and try that trick not on your family next time you're at a party and and someone goes oh you do a few tricks do one of those tricks and and you will see how powerful they are you don't have to be the best sleight of hand artist you you just do the do the effect do the effect to make entertaining and remember it's when you're performing it's not about you just think about making them have a good time entertaining them making them laugh and make them be amazed that that's it okay so we have banished magician's guilt onto your island uh but you have four more things these are the new things all right so you've been on your island for a while Pete you have been stuck there um not gonna lie haven't caught the tan that I thought you would have you normally tan up quite well um but you're allowed to have a guest with you so which magical guest now this guest can be from the past they can be uh deceased or they can be alive still if you took one guess who would you take with you I would probably say um Tom Mullike Tom Mullika I only got to meet him twice um very very briefly as well just sort of hello and a quick chat always been a fan of his magic I think he's one of the funniest naturally funniest people ever and it it would be a choice of two both unfortunately are no longer with us and that would have been Tom Malik or Daryl because I I think they're both they were both exceptional magicians they were both funny in their own way but if I wanted to go on there with someone that I think would make me laugh nonstop it would be Tom Malika. Yep both exceptional choices I think those would both be be great and I think the impact that both of those people Tom Mullica and Darryl has had on the magic industry you know in a hundred years time they're both going to be spoken about still yeah yeah and so they should be the only issue I have is if I took either of those on the island no one would want to see any of my eight tricks so I might as well just leave them at home. Well you can get them to perform your eight tricks there you go good so we're gonna move on to your memory so obviously you've had a you know several centuries worth of um uh career going on uh you have so many different stories that you you've told I mean we used to do the vlogs and one of the things that I used to love doing so before I worked for Alakazam I would always be round your house at stupid o'clock at night and you'd just be telling me these crazy stories and you always used to come out with these stories. So when we did the vlogs I wanted to put uh Pete's bedtime stories as a way to document some of these crazy stories because you've met everyone you've you've literally there's no one that I can think of that you haven't met or you know your parts have crossed in some way and you've done some incracy things for theatre and TV you know you've done so many amazing things so the memories that you have are massive you could probably write a book of stories just just Pete's stories um which I bet would be an amazing book so if you could have just one of those memories from your career which memory would you take that is that is really hard playing devil's advocate there's one that I thought you might have said because I can just imagine what you felt like at the moment when the boys were on Britain's got talent during that performance that was amazing that would be it I I think the boys semi-final performance even though there was two of the effects we had to cut out because we were told we had to cut them out I still think they've done an amazing job but watching them on stage at the audition was yeah yeah it was something else I mean it bearing in mind for all of those boys to go on stage in the palladium it was the first time Harry had was it the first time Harry had performed publicly at all yeah I think it was yeah yeah and I even Theo I remember because Theo is quite a quiet guy yeah and I only knew him from the shop he's very very shy and when he was on the stage he he spoke so eloquently he spoke so confidently it was it was just shocking like the whole thing was amazing and James James Samuel was so confident Josh was just so slick and smooth you would never know that some of them were only performing for the first time they were amazing yeah well Josh Josh was a member of the YMC so he was used to performing James was going out performing but yeah you're right both Theo and Harry Harry had never performed in public before at all so just imagine that your first performance is on the stage in front I I wouldn't want to stand up there and be judged.

SPEAKER_03: 57:20

I don't want people to it it can you imagine going to a close up gig and every table they would sit there for 10 minutes and tell you what they thought of your act it's like no I yeah I'll do this you laugh for a bit I'm off talk about me after I don't want to wear it so is that the memory you would take then yeah I don't I don't think there's any that whole process apart from the final um but the yeah either the the audition or the semi-final I thought the boys done incredibly um the the final their whole as we said the whole routine was changed by BGT the day before so you know they they couldn't couldn't do their chisel uh yeah that that's probably my proudest moment is to see those boys up there.

SPEAKER_01: 58:19

Well I think that's a great memory that you get to relive over and over but that does take us to your horror story. So as well as all of those good memories I'm sure you know with the fast paced world of TV behind the scenes and a lot of the time theatre in honesty um as well as the close up gigs that you used to do as well there has to be some kind of funny or interesting horror story that you could give us well there were two that stand out to me um one of them is uh when I was performing blockhead um for anyone that doesn't know what blockhead is it's I used to um take out a six inch nail get it examined take my shoe off and use the heel of my shoe to hammer that nail into my nose now I remember Spellman seeing Spellman do it and Spellman could literally hammer three or four nails up one nostril two or three up the the other nostril um so one day I thought I'm gonna hammer one up the other nostril as well and as I started to hit it in um I felt the nail start to feel some resistance.

SPEAKER_03: 59:49

So I at that point I had two choices either just take the nail out of that nostril or just give it a little whack. So I gave it a little whack, which weren't great. So I gave it a whack, and then I just felt blood running down my face here. And um, yeah, I gave myself a nosebleed. So that that weren't good. Um and another horror horror story, I was doing a wedding, and I used to do bill in kiwi a lot. Billing lemon, billing kiwi, whatever I fancied doing at the time. And I had I bought myself a couple of knives to do it. I found these really nice knives that were foldable and everything, like pen knives, look looked really nice. But what I did was I gave my father-in-law one to dole down the blade so it wasn't too sharp. It was sharp enough to cut through, but you know, he he would dull it down for me. And one day I went into my close-up case and the knife wasn't there. So I opened the drawer where I had my stuff, saw the knife, grabbed it, put it in my bag with the kiwis and everything else. Went to the wedding at the table, got the kiwi, the kiwi's on the table, should I say, at the beginning of the routine, borrowed the bill, the bill vanishes, get on with my act, now pick up the kiwi at the end, get the knife out. And as I've gone to cut the kiwi, I got the knife that hadn't been doled down, and it's sliced through the kiwi and into my finger. And it was so sharp that it was like you know, when you get a paper cut, you feel the pain, but it you sort of don't see anything until you touch it, and the skin goes back a bit, and then you get that sharp pain and the blood starts coming out, and yeah. So it will be one of those ones, and I think it will be the Kiwi because the nail, even though my nose bled, it stopped bleeding very quickly, and there was no pain. Whereas the finger one meant I had to then go and get a plaster on my finger, and you know, so yeah, it will be that one. And it was my own stupidity. I grabbed the knife thinking it was the um the one that had been doled down and it wasn't.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:26

Ouch to both of those, both of them sound horrendous. Okay, so that is your horror story, but you don't have to think about either of those again. We put them in a little glass bottle, throwing them out to sea, you're never gonna see them again. Uh, you've got one more thing, so it's the show. So this is either a show or a performance that uh you wish that you could see again, so it had some uh something substantial for you, uh, or it's a performance that you never got the chance to see that you wish you could have seen live. So which show would you um take with you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:58

Okay, so I am gonna say, as an honourable mention, and this is a really recent show, it's on Netflix, and it's called Magic Lover. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It is Justin Wilman, it's him doing a stage show. Um I think Justin Wilman is incredible, so funny, so great with the audience. There's not much in the show as a seasoned magician. There's not a lot that's gonna make you go, oh my god, how did he do that? But what you will say is, wow, he done that well, you know, it's just his personality. Um, I will say the ending is a mind blower, that's great. But perfectly picked routines, perfectly structured show, great personality on stage. The moment he walks on stage, you fall in love with him as a performer. I've watched it probably five times. Um, I've watched it with uh friends that have come around, I watched it with Jenny, I watched it with Holly, and everyone was under the same opinion, is just a great entertaining show. So um, yeah, that would be my honorable mention. I think if there was a show that I would like to witness that I never got to see, probably Seefried and Roy. You know, I I would have liked to have seen that big 80s, 70s, 80s glamour on stage, the big sparkly suits, the tigers, the flamboyance of it all. Yeah. I I I would have thought that would have been great. I mean, it was a I would have loved to have visited uh you know Vegas in the 70s. Obviously, I wasn't old enough, Jamie, um, before you say anything. But I'm fascinated by the 70s and things like that because I I think if we look at where we are now, I think it does. I I don't know if I've said this to you before. I think it doesn't matter how rich you are now, we've all got the same things. Do you know what I mean? You we've all got a car. All right, you're richer, you'll have a better car, maybe. But we've all got a mobile phone. There's nothing really that's out of our reach as a normal working person now. Whereas I think in the 70s, life I I think there was like if you were very rich, you got access to things like a mobile phone or stuff, and I'd be really interested to experience like, let's say, the BG's lifestyle in the 70s, because I bet it was crazy just to see it for one day and see, you know, how different life was. Because now life isn't that different for us. I don't think it really matters how much within reason, it doesn't matter how much you've got, we all experience the same things. But I think back then it it was like you know, if you were a celeb, then you you got access to a different world, you know. It it just something that interests me. Sounds a bit weird, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:01

No, not at all. I think uh it's also you know, in those days, those those were the big spectacle pieces that you would have to go and see that person to see, you know, in in the same way that you mentioned we all have the same things in our day-to-day life. I think magicians are the same. We all we all have the same things. Whereas back then, people would be saying, Oh, have you seen Siegfried and Roy with the the tiger? How they you're only gonna be able to go and see that with them, you know. Um David Copperfield when he used to do flying. Have you seen David Copperfield fly? That that was unique to him. Cyril, when he used to just walk around the streets and take hamburgers out of signs, those are the people, those who were the real pioneers, I think. Um, and they're probably the last of their kind, really, who really they really challenged magic as as an industry and really tried to make it stand out and make it unique and make it you know one of a kind.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:00

Yeah, just an honourable mention, I will say as well, David Copperfield, when he was touring, I would have loved. I never got to see that. He toured over here, I think he did Ells Court or something. I would have loved to have been there for that as well, you know. To Copperfield, I grew up watching his specials, and um even a few years ago, me, Jenny, Holly, and Harry went out to Vegas. We went to see the Copperfield show. I bought his DVD while we were there, and I remember um taking Harry football training, so he's out football training. I'm sitting in the car and I've put the DVD on, and I was watching it, and it gave me goosebumps. Gave me absolute goosebumps to watch it, you know, and uh yeah, that that really brought back the feeling of magic for me watching Copperfield again.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:59

And even some of the the effects that Copperfield did, things like Misled and you know the float in rows, all of those things are still things that you know they got popular amongst magicians because he performed them. They were underground hits before then, but he he made them cool. So let's go back over your choices. These are your substitutions. You went for the Sophie trick, sharpie through card, you changed your book out for one of Bob Cassidy's, uh, and your banishment was Magician's Guilt, your guest was Tom Maliker, your memory was 4MG on Britain's Got Talent, your horror story was um the knife through Kiwi, three finger, um, and your show was Siegfried and Roy. I think, you know, in terms of an SOS, you're gonna have a good time on that island now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:44

Yeah, 100%. Well, thank you for having me back on, Jamie.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:49

Uh thank you for being stuck on the island for two years.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:52

That's all right. Nothing else to do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:56

And uh yeah, hopefully this will be an interesting addition to the podcast. I think it's it's nice to A, have those extra options, but also just to see if people really did stick to those lists. Like you said, some of the tricks you haven't performed for a really long time, um, and then other things come up and you know they they make you think, why didn't I put that in?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:17

Yeah, yeah, eight's very hard. It's very hard to limit it down to to eight because there are so many good tricks. And you know, I I've chosen a few there that I perform um regularly and taking stuff out that I don't, but like I said, I I did find my predator the other day, so I'm gonna re-look at it. I know I taught um Steve Deller to do it, and it he says it's still you know part of his everyday routine or whatever. So I'm actually gonna call Steve Deller and get him to reteach it to me now, with all the tips I taught him that I'd forgotten.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:58

Amazing. Well, thank you again, Pete. Uh, and of course, thank you all for listening. We'll be back again next week. Now, don't forget we've also got Stranded with a Stranger back. So we want to do at least one of these a month. So please do send in your lists. Send in your list of eight tricks, one banishment, one book, and one non-magic item to salsaalakazam.co.uk. Please include a little uh bit about you uh just to let us know who you are and a little bit of your past, and of course, tell us why those choices. It's not necessarily the tricks that we're interested in, it's why you were doing those tricks and whilst you were making those suggestions. So we're gonna be back next week with another version of this. But until then, have a great week. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:45

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