the Move with Justin Khoe
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the Move with Justin Khoe
S1E1 | You Don't Have to Be a Slave to Sin!
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Embark on a profound exploration of transformation with us, as we navigate the powerful shift from slavery to sonship, illuminated by the teachings of apostle Paul. Prepare to have your perspective on servitude redefined, as we dissect the paradox of becoming slaves to God—a narrative of freedom opposed to the chains of sin and law. We untangle Paul's radical journey from a stringent Pharisee to an apostle with a mission for the Gospel, revealing an inclusive message that transcends the borders of Israel and reaches all nations.
As we bid a heartfelt farewell at the conclusion of our engaging conversation, we reflect on the memorable insights that have surfaced. We trust you've found both enlightenment and pleasure in our discussion, as we've pondered the true liberation found through Christ, and the redemption signifying our path to salvation. Keep your ears open for our next episodes, where we continue to share stimulating narratives and transformative revelations that challenge and inspire.*
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The Move From Slavery to Sonship
Speaker 1So we're going from a particular type of slavery . Paul's leading us somewhere , yeah ["The Move"] .
Speaker 2All right , well , welcome to the Move , where we're vibing with the book .
Speaker 110 Minutes at a Time , the next 10 minutes . We're talking about Romans , chapter 1 versus 1 through 7 . Did you read it ? I read it . Did you read it ? Did you guys read it ? Go read it . It's a good passage . Yeah , we'll wait right here . Yeah , just go ahead and put pause , we'll be right here and yeah , and we're back , let's do it . Hopefully you enjoyed that . As you know , we're going to go through 10 minutes , so let's start the timer . Three , two , one , go , go you first . Oh well , first thoughts on the book . What did you think ?
Speaker 2The first seven , just rich , rich , rich and , from what I could gather , like we were talking . If we had to frame it I would say it's from that to this From that to this .
Speaker 1So there's , a specific move that we see Paul doing in this passage and for me if I had to pick the one word that jumped out to me the most that kind of encapsulates this idea of slavery . This is something that we see over and over in the book Old and New Testament and it's a very interesting statement . Joshua and Amos were calling themselves slaves of God , but when Paul does it it's very unique because Paul's a Roman citizen and that's not something that they would be open to no .
Speaker 2Within the Roman context , to be a slave is to be a second , third class citizen . Now it's not to be confused with American chattel slavery , indentured slavery , indentured servitude . In the Roman system there was still some sort of economic freedom . You can have some money , you could get married , you had some movement , but it was always under the authority of some sort of master and or lord Right .
Speaker 1So it's not like you didn't get to eat . You were beat all the time . You enjoyed certain privileges , should we say , but again , always under the permission of the lord .
Speaker 2And it was this idea that you would work in an estate and then , within the estate , you just did your role . You did what your role was , what the master told you to do , and then , within the confines of your role and position , you had certain liberties . That's where you could marry , like I said , money , this and that , come and go , but you had to take care of what you had to take care of as a second class citizen .
Speaker 1So we're going from a particular type of slavery . Perhaps we could look forward to the book . This slavery to sin , this slavery to the law , we could even say and we're trying to get at Paul's leading us somewhere .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so this language that you pointed out , that he set apart , right , and you have this idea of him being set apart from something , for something or to something .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's interesting that set apart . There's a callback to what Paul used to be , the Pharisees he used to be . You were familiar . He said I was a Pharisee of the Pharisees . You know I was this , and then he's listing his credentials . A Pharisee was someone who was set apart for something specific , set apart for the law , and you were describing . There's this kind of this corral-ing picture .
Speaker 2It's like herding cats or kindergartners right , the law was meant to organize people around something right For a particular aim . We'll get to that later . But you could imagine a bunch of first graders and you're trying to put them all together and you've got the teachers around them and they're like no , no , no , go here , not there . Like you know that whole . Trying to keep everyone safe , everybody safe , so this is what a Pharisee would do as he exposes the truth of the law .
Speaker 1And they're particularly motivated because their history was the very reason they're in captivity . The very reason why they're not enjoying the freedom that they perhaps want is because of their rejection of the law and the rejection of what God has told them to do .
Speaker 2So they transgressed the boundaries of what they were supposed to be within , and Paul is the guy , prior to coming to Christ , that he's like . No , this is the boundary , this is what we're supposed to be . And me , the way I live my life , is in perfect harmony with all of the requirements of the law .
Speaker 1And yet now he's no longer set apart for the law , he's no longer considering himself a Pharisee in that respect . He's set apart for something different , and this is where the shift really takes place , and this is a radical idea . In that time , he's not set apart for the law , he's set apart for the gospel .
Speaker 2Yeah , and it's the gospel , and the first one he introduces your verse to which he promised right , set apart for the Gospel of God , which he promised , gospel being the good news , right , and this good news that later on we find out , goes to all the nations . So , while the Pharisees were concerned with their group , which was the nation of Israel , now Paul is saying I'm set apart and you can also in this language of set apart , like him , turning from the nation of Israel , turning around and Looking at all the nation , other nations , and he says I've been freed from this so I can go to that , and so now he's supposed to go out and fulfill this promise .
Speaker 1That is the good news of Jesus the Christ , right , yeah , and it's interesting language that he uses later in the chapter . It continues around this kind of like slave language and it's really hard for us to understand how slavery is good news . But but one of the things that I really like is one of the words , one of the synonyms that's often used for for salvation is redemption . Yeah , and redemption has this picture in mind redeeming . When you think of the original word , you were telling me the word earlier .
Speaker 2Lutron . Lutron went to high school with a guy named Lutron . Yeah , shout out to Lutron .
Speaker 1But the picture that you get with redemption is like these slaves at an auction and someone comes by and Purchases a slave , and it's under this language that that that Paul's painting the picture of the cross and Jesus , and specifically his blood or his death , is the sacrifice or is the payment to redeem you and I . And so when Paul saying I'm a slave , I've been redeemed , I'm saved by the blood of Christ , he's painting a very specific picture . It's from slavery to one thing , to a different kind of slavery .
Speaker 2Yeah , so you have again in Lutron military language of prisoners of war , right , but the blood Accomplishes this exchange that if you were to change the imagery ever so slightly , you're moved from one sort of slavery and this is something he'll get at later that then you're transferred from slavery into Sunship , right , so you're redeemed from slavery into Sunship , but that's sunshine , is Following the sunship , that is the sunship of Jesus , right , which , coincidentally , paul was really concerned with his performance in the flesh , like his performance in the body . I keep these laws , I eat these things . I'm cut in a particular place on a particular day , don't cut too much . So it's gonna share a story about a friend no , right , no . And so according to the flesh he's like I'm legit , right , but the promise , the sunship and all of that isn't according to the flesh . And it's because of something that's really key about Jesus , which is tell him a little bit about the whole Adoption and Joseph and Mary deal .
Speaker 1Yeah , so one of the things that stood out is that he was descendant from David according to the flesh , which is a really peculiar thing , because if you , if you look at the genealogies , we know for a fact that Jesus comes from Mary and that's the way that that works .
Speaker 2But we also know that my mama my mama gave me that lesson , so let's talk about how this happens .
Speaker 1That's a very awkward lesson . But he doesn't actually come from Joseph and the text says that Joseph is a descendant of David , but we don't get any for sure sense that that's where Mary came from . Yeah , there's some quibble about that , whether or not Mary was actually part of the Davidic line right , yeah , and some people might say yes , some people might say no , and if she were , she's a woman , right ? So it doesn't even matter at that point because it's passed down through the men . That's not the point , no , tell them well . Well , the point is this is that when Mary , mary's David , there's a certain like legal transaction that takes place . Mary's , in a certain sense , grafted into the family of Joseph , therefore the family of David , and we see this many times in the genealogy . You see that that one prostitute who wasn't technically part of Israel but gets grafted into Israel Rahab , rahab , joshua , joshua , and in the very genealogy of Jesus she's mentioned as one of these people that passes the line down . So we see , like God isn't so much concerned about the biological in order to pass on the line , but there's this certain legal transaction that takes place .
Speaker 2And what I love is that then in another gospel it's this idea of in the genealogy I think it's Luke , maybe Matthew but that Jesus is the son of Joseph , or as it was supposed , right this is like question . So that then , even so , jesus is somewhat adopted by Joseph , right ? So in the flesh he's actually adopted . But then Paul goes on to say that , verse four and he was declared to be the son of God in power , according to the spirit of holiness , by his resurrection from the dead , jesus Christ , our Lord . So he's marrying this idea because Lord slave , and then this idea of sonship , where Jesus actually emerges as the son of God because of resurrection . So according to flesh , it was supposed he was of Joseph .
Speaker 1There is room for doubt and questioning . We gotta apply this to our lives , because we got literally one minute seven seconds left .
Speaker 2That's so good . Keep going , apply it . So here's the point .
Speaker 1There are times in my life where I might even question my sonship , my acceptance by God . There's room for like I don't know , like my experience my life lived doesn't quite match the text , but the good news is that , even while there's that room for doubt , there's a rebirth process or something that takes place .
Speaker 2That gives me the reassurance you would almost call it an exchange of redemption , a leutron Right shout out so that you're actually removed from your old slavery to self-sin doubt and you're transferred into this kingdom of spirit . But why ? Because Jesus Christ is resurrected from the dead and while in the flesh we might have doubted his lineage , according to the spirit , because of his resurrection there can be no doubt that he is who he says he is through spirit . So that means that we are who he says we are , and this is the idea of obedience of faith .
Speaker 1Yeah , we have received grace and apostleship and now we have the obedience of faith .
Speaker 2So I can only obey what the truth is in spirit , not the truth about my flesh .
Farewell After 10-Minute Book Experience
Speaker 2Woo hey , we got there .
Speaker 1Well , there you guys go . We hope you enjoyed that 10 minutes . Bye , baby In the book . There you go . We'll see you guys tomorrow . All right , ladies .