Books vs. Movies
In this podcast we set out to answer the age old question: is the book really always better than the movie?
Books vs. Movies
Music Tames The Wolfe; Interview with Author Rick London
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A werewolf story set in the San Francisco Bay Area sounds like it should end in blood, but Rick London flips the myth in a way we couldn’t stop talking about. His novel The Dancing Wolfeman follows Titus Wolfe, a high school music teacher and nighttime DJ who gets bitten and faces the moment every werewolf fears: the first transformation and the urge to kill. The twist is surprisingly human and deeply cinematic, music becomes the force that pulls his mind back from the edge.
We unpack how Rick builds a paranormal romantasy adventure thriller that keeps the monster on the page while refusing the usual “killer then hunted” blueprint. He shares the real life spark behind the premise, a trombone in his home that led him to connect music with memory, identity, and control. From there, we get into adaptation dreams and realities: which key beats must stay, where film changes might help, and why he’d want to be present as a consultant to protect the story’s arc without trying to run the writers’ room.
Then we go full casting and directing. Rick names the actor many readers picture as Titus and explains why he’d rather see fresh faces in lead roles with A-list support to pull audiences in. He also shares the scene he’s most excited to watch on screen, a cliffside confrontation that captures the theme of mercy over instinct and sets up unexpected alliances. If you love werewolf lore, cryptids, book to film adaptation talk, and stories where music is more than a soundtrack, you’ll want to hear this one. Subscribe, share the episode with a friend who loves monster stories, and leave a review telling us who you’d cast as Titus Wolfe.
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Welcome to Books versus Movies. I'm Juvia, an actress and book lover based out of New York City. And today I'm really excited. I have Orlando. He's done a few episodes with me. And I also have Rick London here. And we are here to talk to Rick a little bit about his book and possibly how he would approach adapting it if it ever got to the adaption stage. So welcome, Rick. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thank you for having Louvian.
SPEAKER_02Of course. You're welcome. So why don't we start off by just telling us a little bit about your book?
A Werewolf Saved By Music
SPEAKER_00Sure, sure. So my book is called The Dancing Wolf Man. It's um it's a it's not so much a horror book. It's not really in a horror book at all. It's a paranormal romanticy. That's how it's you know labeled the genre. So it's a paranormal romanticy, uh, adventure thriller, as I like to call it. So it's it's about a guy, and it's based here in the Bay Area because um uh you know, most Warwell stories aren't like in London or somewhere. That's why that's why I chose the name Rick London to pay respect to England, where you know the werewolf story became famous. So it's based here in the San Francisco Bay Area in a county up north from San Francisco. It's about a guy, Titus Wolf, who's uh ironically, I gave him Wolf as the last name, too, right? Who becomes a wolf man. So he's a high school music teacher uh by day and then a DJ by night. Music's been in his blood since he was a baby. His parents are in the music industry and they've always played music. He learned how to dance from his parents and his friends, and I got that all in the book. And um and uh and music is like embedded deep in his in his soul. So when he meet when he meets this wolfman and he gets bitten and he becomes a wolf man, he you know, of course he doesn't know what's gonna happen. And he uh and as he gets ready for his first transformation, you know, he from all the movies he's seen and all the stories that he's read, he's like you know, he's like he's a he's he's terrified because he's gonna become a killer. So he's hoping that you know his love for music will help him with something, uh, would help him not not be this vicious killer that he's about to become. So just to give you guys a snippet, and then I'll leave it at that, I'll leave it at that. So his first transformation, because this is teen, uh he's he's about to kill his first victim, and it's a lady jogging in the woods, and because his senses are heightened from being a wolf man, he hears music playing in her i in her in her in her iPods, right? Um she's jogging and she's listening to music from her iPhone and uh or whatever phone she has. So he hears her music and it slowly transforms his consciousness back to who he is. So music helps him control his wolf man primal instincts to become a killer. So instead of becoming a killer, he becomes a savior, and that's pretty much the gist of the story. He as he as he goes through all his transformations, music is what helps him control his those those instincts to kill. And instead, you know, because of protector, he he he he's a savior because he's not a killer, you know, he's a music teacher, he's never never been in combat, he was he wasn't in the military, he's never killed before. So his natural instinct is to, you know, he's a teacher, right? To protect and to save. So that's that's pretty much the the gist of the book, and then the rest you guys will have to read.
SPEAKER_02I like that. Uh Orlando really loves like Wolfman and like just the whole horror. I know you said your book doesn't necessarily fall into the horror category, but Orlando.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, I absolutely love Cryptids, Wolfman, Dogman, Mockman, um, all of that fascinating stuff. So I'm really intrigued by the uh plot on the story. I uh a couple things. Um I love that idea that music is what kind of brings his consciousness back. I think that is a very fascinating idea. Uh how did you come about that thought or the that plan?
SPEAKER_00Thank you. That's a that's a great question. Been asked that before, and um, you know what it is is when I was coming up with the story, um, and I'm like, oh, I'm I'm gonna write a wolf man story, but I didn't want to write an or another normal, you know, another wolfman's story, right? They because they end the same, right? Um they're they're pretty similar in the art that it takes, right? They become a wolf man, becomes a killer, then he becomes hunted, you know, then dies at the end. I didn't want me uh none of those things in my story. So I had to find a gimmick, you know, I had to find a different angle for the story. So I'm like, man, what am I what a how am I gonna make this different? So this was like last about a year ago in April, April, May, March, April, May. My son, I have a 16-year-old son. At that time, he was 15 and he was taking uh music class at high school. And so his one of his uh real good friends was uh trombone player. So my son decided to try the trombone, and he brought the case home of a trombone and he left it on this back wall uh in my house. And and as I'm thinking of the story, I kept looking at that wall, kept looking at the trombone, and I'm like, you know, then it just clicked, right? The light came on, and I'm like, hey, you know what? Music, you know. Um let me incorporate music in the story, but um it didn't come right away. You know, I had to think about it. I started writing ideas about how music can can help him, and then it just over about a uh span of a week or something, uh I decided it's like, hey, you know what? Let me make this guy uh high school music teacher and a DJ, and then have music, you know, transform his uh his consciousness back to who he is when he's a wolf man. So I wanted something totally different, and I had to come up with a different, you know, again, I had to come up with a different gimmick because I wanted to be a different Wolfman story, and I love Wolfman stories just like you. Um, I don't know if either of you have ever seen a movie called uh An American Wolf in London.
SPEAKER_01I haven't.
SPEAKER_00Great movie. Great movie. One of my favorite movies. Yeah, yeah, I love that movie. And um and uh you know, uh and so I didn't want it to become that vicious, you know, wolfman story. I wanted something different. I still want him to be a wolf man and look you know menacing, but you know, inside he's still Titus Wolf, he's still you know the person who he is, and because of his because of who he is, you know, the people that he meets and say that he meets instead of killing them, he saves them. And then later on in the story, they save him too, you know. So they become interconnected. And um, and I just wanted to, you know, just a different angle on the on the on the wolf neck story. That was that was it. So trombone, thank, thank you, thank you to the trombone, right?
SPEAKER_01No, that that's awesome because um I know I've also I've also seen and heard about studies of uh people with dementia, how music kind of just brings their brain back, even for a split second. So I thought that was really a fascinating approach. That's really excited. That trombone put you in that direction.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. But yeah, I mean, music is powerful in so many ways, right? It brings us joy, uh happiness, sadness, you know, brings brings all these memories of good memories and bad memories, right? Uh exes of ex you know, ex-boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, wives, right? But uh, I think overall, you know, it's like uh music is just it's uh it's it's magical, right? And and so uh that was my thought, right? It's magical. I gotta I gotta do something different here.
Casting Titus And The Star Power Debate
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I love that. And I I I I also love that you took such a different direction with with the Wolfman storyline. So when you you had mentioned to me that early readers of your book kind of already had ideas of who they envision as the actor that's playing Titus Wolf in in the adaptation, if it were ever to happen. And who is that who's the actor that most people envision?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's they got so many different ones. So I, you know, my my hope is that it does get adapted. I'm you know, I'm uh I'm gonna work hard in the next the rest of the year to to again, you know, I had mentioned to get a to get an agent who also could help me get this uh to to be met with the right people to get adapted. But um one of the early, you know, Aaron Taylor Johnson would be a great wolfman, and he's British, right? But he can do a real English, he can do an American accent real well. And uh I love him. I love it. He's he's a he's he's become a real good actor, right? And he's about at the right age that my my Titus Wolfman is, you know, mid mid-30s. I think he would be a great wolfman. Uh to me, that would be my number one. Um, I don't want if I had a choice, I don't want it, I don't want it to be an A-list actor. I want his supporting cast to be A-list actors, right? Because that's what draw people in, right? I want uh, you know, uh just to give you guys another little snippet, and this is the last one, you know, that that first encounter, the lady that he doesn't kill, that becomes his love interest, you know. I mean it's Nicole Santoro in the book. And so Nicole, I would also have as like a like a B actress. I can't think of who would be who there's so many good actresses right now. Um I haven't thought of who would be, but Titus for sure, Aaron Taylor Johnson, I think would be perfect, and then have you know have the have the the other main, you know, the supporting characters to be uh the beaters, because then that's what attracts people. Um I was talking to I was talking about something like this with uh on a similar podcast, you know, another podcast, and they asked me the same thing, and I'm like, uh I brought up the I brought up Star Wars, right? When I was a kid, I loved Star Wars. And when Star Wars came out, none of those guys were A-list actors, right? Right in you know, 1977. Harrison Ford had done a few movies, uh, Carrie Fisher had done a few movies, you know, Mark Hamill, but none of them were you know A-list, nobody really knew about them. And Star Wars came out, boom, they just uh it exploded, right? And all of a sudden those guys, you know, they became famous, right? Especially Harrison Ford, right? So uh yeah, it's there's so many good actors right now. Um and a lot of times, even though I might have an actor's, you know, if I if it gets adapted, they're gonna have their own, you know, they're gonna have their own say in who they want to do, right? Based on uh based on it's always based on money and availability and all that stuff. So but my my main character, definitely Aaron Taylor-Johnson, I think would be the perfect woman.
SPEAKER_02I love that choice. I I think Aaron Taylor-Johnson's a great actor, so that's a great choice. And I I also love that um I also love that you said that you don't necessarily want your lead actors to be like A-list celebrities, just as someone who is an actor themselves, like I appreciate that because it just seems like we're saying we're seeing the same five actors over and over in every single project, and that doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be there, but it's also like we're just not being introduced to new talent the way we used to be. So I I mean, I love that your book would be getting a like a boost in the spotlight, and then someone who maybe needs more of a little boost than an A-less celebrity does would also be getting it.
How Involved An Author Should Be
SPEAKER_00Agreed, agreed. You know, and a lot of times, you know, those there's a lot of hungry actors out there and they're very talented, and they just need the right, they just need the right, you know, script to come along, the right thing, you know. Uh how many times has that happened over the years, right? You know, people turn her and then they get this movie, and then the movie, of course, has to be well directed, great script, you know, great producers, you know, uh, all that, right? It's a combination, but that's all it takes, right? Um, it just takes one one movie role and then you know, and bingo, then then people get to know you and they see your acting talent, right? Because there's a lot of talent, and a lot of talented actors are not just in Hollywood, they're you know, they're everywhere, right? Yeah, so yeah, I would I would definitely that's the route I would go, even with you know, my the main three characters in my book are Titus, Nicole, and then somebody else comes in later who's who looks like an antagonist, but something happens there, and even that person I would want as like you know, a Biblius actor, and then the rest of everybody, you know, to be to be the alias actors, of course, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I love that. Um, so if this were to get adapted, how would you like would you want to be if and it is a little bit tricky just because when the rights to a book get bought, it there's so many stipulations. So but would you hope that you would get to be very involved in the process, or would you be okay with selling the rights and just and stepping back a little bit? Or I I mean, how would how involved would you like to be?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I I've never been on a movie set, never been part of that. I would I would definitely stipulate that. I don't have to necessarily be part of the writing process, but let me be let me be involved in the movie in terms of just being present, right? And and uh making sure that uh that again, not being part of the writing team or the writer, but being making sure that they follow, you know, the arc of the of the story, right? That it doesn't get because you know how many books there's so many books, right? They turn into movies, and then the movie's totally different from the book, right? And so I would definitely want to be involved in that sense. Um, because I don't have the experience, you know, in uh screenplay writing or anything like that. I'm sure I wouldn't I wouldn't you know be involved in that, but to be part of the process as a as a as a like a consultant, you know, a consultant head, right? I would definitely be part of and to just be part of that, you know, be part of that movie, you know, on the movie set, right? Be around the actors, the director, the screenwriter, the cinematographer, you know, the the production team, everything that would that would that would be such an awesome experience, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_01So um I I had a question. Um I feel one of the things that we've discovered just basically in doing this podcast and seeing the adaptation go from book or movie. Are there things from the book that you feel like have to happen, cannot change? And are there things that you anticipate would need to change a little uh just to fit the film media?
SPEAKER_00I would like it if if if at all possible to stick to the story, you know, the whole story. Because I think I wrote a good story, but you know, I'm also not experienced in screenplay writing and movie adaptations, so I would be open, you know, to to to the to the how the producers, how they view, how they view it. Um because a lot of times, you know, I've I've read stuff about uh movie adaptations. They'll take a book, but they'll change it to fit into what you know what what people want. And uh, you know, then they do uh what is that? What are those groups called? Um they get people to come into a group, they get dates and talk about uh a movie, what is that called? Uh focus groups, right? They do they do a lot, they do a lot of that with movies, right? A lot of movies, they do a lot of focus groups uh with like an industry types, right? And then they determine from that, they'll determine what way they want to go with the movie and what because you know they're trying, you know, because they they got a lot invested, right? The money they want to make their money back. Um, so I would be open. I wouldn't necessarily, you know, be adamant that they have strictly have to follow, but like the key parts of the book, you know, the transformations and what happens from that and who he needs and all, I would definitely want to keep that. But you know, other parts of other parts of the story, yeah, I'd be open, you know, as long as as long as it works and and it's and you know, again, they're more experienced than than I. I mean, their idea is to make you could enhance the whole story of the book, right? I would I would definitely be open to that. Yeah. Because I don't know everything and I don't see everything, right? And you know, yeah, and you can't and you can't go into something you've never done and say, oh no, it's got to be this way, then dyslexia, we don't want to talk to you, right?
The One Scene He Wants Filmed
SPEAKER_02Right, right. So is there and it's totally okay if you can't say, because I know that let's all read the book, everyone. So we want to make sure that people read the book, but is there any moment in the book if if you would like to share? And again, I understand if you don't, so that we were motivated to to go out there and read it. But is there a moment in the book that you are part you would be particularly excited to see lifted from the page and onto the screen?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'll share about it. I don't mind. Um, because that a lot of times you give people an idea and then I'll have to go read it. But to me, it's the it's the the third transformation. And the guy that the guy, this guy's name is Everett King, he's a rancher, and he's and he's he's gonna hunt Titus because he's killed two of his goats in the previous two transformations. So this is my pro this is my favorite part of the book too, so I don't mind sharing it. But at the moment where they come where they where they're where they confront each other, uh you know, uh Nicole's right there too, and uh Everett's about to kill him, and Nicole interferes and throws her phone at him, makes him stumble, and he falls over a cliff. And then, you know, and then Nicole comes up to to Titus and they hug, and then they hear a noise and they hear a moan, and then they go look over the cliff, and uh Everett's hanging, his life is hanging, you know, right there. He's holding onto a rock that's that's jutting out of the cliff there. And right there, and then Titus decides, as the wolf man, he goes down and everything's gonna get thrown off the cliff, and he's just gonna throw him, right? And instead, Titus grabs him by the by the arm and throws him over the the over the ridge. And then suddenly as he's as he's stumbling backwards and rolling, Titus is right on him. And he's right on his, he's walking on all fours like a wolf, and he's right there in his face with you know, with those glowing eyes, the the mouth, you know, the saliva coming out, you know, the the that growl, you know, that wolf and growl. And and then uh Everett thinks that oh he threw him over just to just to tear him to pieces, and you know, and and he's right there, right in his face, and then he steps back and he shows the mercy. And that's right there the gist of the book, right? It shows a mercy, and because he did that, um, because he did that, everett becomes his ally, you know, he saves, right? Because he's not a killer, he doesn't have that instinct to kill, but he does he does scare the hell, he's does scare the hell out of him, right? Because he's a woman, but you know, but because who he is, spares his life, you know, shows him mercy, and he steps back, and because of that, you know, uh Everett is kind of astonished, and and you know, that's how he becomes his ally. And right there, then after that, after that part, you know, Titus, Nicole, and uh Everett, you know, they're they're they're intertwined, you know, they're they're the big part of the story. So that's that's my favorite part of the book right there. I really love that part.
Dream Director And Why Music Matters
SPEAKER_01Awesome. I mean, then that sounds that sounds really cool. Like even just you describing, you know, like yeah, I I could see that. So I'm curious too, like these visions that you have as how it look. Is there a director that you would love to direct your uh book to move?
SPEAKER_00You know, the Oscars just happened a month ago, right? Um, I love Sinners. Did you guys see Sinners? Yes, I love that uh Ryan Kugler. Man, that guy, you know, he's from Oakland. I'm I'm in San Francisco. That guy's from just across the bay. He's such a my god, that guy is such a talented uh director. Uh I I would love him to be the director. You know what I mean? He because he's young, he's a visionary. You know, my opinion is that movie should have won Best Picture. To me, that that I like that movie better than uh than uh um what was it? Uh One Battle After Another. I really like that movie, but I like Sinners even more, you know, and uh yeah, Ryan Cooler, he's he's like he would be he would be my ideal director, you know. But he costs a lot of money. Yes. But you know what? You get what you paid for, right? If you get you get top talent and and he knows almost every movie he makes now is is is their hits, right? Because the guy's so talented. And uh, you know what? I did uh I heard a podcast, the Amy Polar podcast is called Good Hang, right? Amy Polar Podcast, and she had him on there, and um and uh you know they talked about you know he talked about so many things, and one of the things that he's really known for is he collaborates with everybody, you know, he gets everybody involved, he just doesn't give orders, he doesn't buy for orders, he has all the actors, you know, the everybody collab, you know, cinematographer. He takes everybody's ideas and puts it into the movie. I mean, how awesome is that, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a great choice. He also makes music such an important theme to his movies. Yeah, I think that seems like a perfect choice. Yeah, he would be perfect. Well, it wouldn't he? He'd be perfect.
unknownYeah, he'd be perfect.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, yeah, great choice. I agree. I I also think Sinners should have won, but I don't know. That's just the humble of opinion of three people talking on a podcast right now. Um so uh I I really uh as you mentioned, I really love the concept of the the music, and I love that you got the idea from your son's trombone playing. I was in marching band in high school, so I have a soft spot for uh you know marching band and and just students that take music classes in general. Um is there are there any other moments that were drawn from your family or your friends that you wanted to incorporate into the story as well?
SPEAKER_00Um not so much family or friends, it's more of the stories that I've read. You know, I'm an avid reader. I love uh I I post that on my website, right? Uh my I have a website, uh my author website, book website, fancywolfman.com, uh with an E, you know, after Wolf. And on there I have a little bio. And I'm an avid reader. I love, I love um, I've been reading since like I was eight or nine. And as I become an adult, I even read more. But I love hard boiled detective novels, you know, I love murder mysteries. I got the Christie as I grew up. Um and then later on I got introduced to Michael Connolly. Um he did uh he's written like 30 over 30 books. Uh his main character is uh Harry Bosch, right? Uh hardboiled detective from in LA. And uh they they adapted that story into uh a series on uh on uh Amazon, right, called Bosch. And the actor who played him, I thought is the perfect Harry Bosch, and his name is Titus Wullivan. That's actually uh that's where I chose my name for him for because I love that actor, him and then uh also from uh Titus Andronicus, right? Uh Shakespeare, right? So to me it's like oh you know, I had to get a name for my character, so I got it from there. And then so I love I love uh Michael Connolly, and then another one is uh a couple more. One of them is Jonathan Kellerman, who also writes uh about this child psychologist who helps his best friend who's a cop, and they come up against these vicious uh killers, right, in LA. Um, and then uh what was the other one? Uh Lee Child, right? Jack Reacher, another one that got adapted to Amazon. Uh, you know, ex uh military police guy who's wondering the land, you know, coming up against you, you know, super bad guys. So, and then other a lot of other stories. And I took I took that and how they present, you know, the clues and how they develop the characters, and you know, and a lot of their stories, you know, the bad guys right in front of them, right? And I love that, right? It's like the bad guys right in front, and you don't think it's the bad guy, right? And it's boom, then later on you're like, oh Jesus, how come I didn't see that? You didn't I didn't see that because they he he hid it so well because of his, you know, this of his great writing. And so uh uh I I just took that, you know, I took that little thing. Um, you know, it's funny, that's that's a great question. I never I never thought about you know my family life or my friends when I was thinking about the book. It just it just came to me from other stories that I read, you know. Um and I've read some horror, but not too much horror. Again, I'm not a big, I'm not a big horror fan. I love I watch good horror movies in there. Horror horror books, I've read a few here and there, but um uh but I just love spy thrillers, mystery thrillers, detective novels. I love that stuff. So I I think that's where all my idea for the book came from. That's just all in there, right?
Where To Buy And Follow
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, that's great. Um so thank you for being here. We loved having you. Um to just to make sure that people can follow you or buy your book. Can you let everyone know where we can buy your book, where we can read it, if you have uh social media or anything where people can follow you, all that information?
SPEAKER_00Sure, sure. I'm on uh X um uh Rick London 1964. Uh I'm on Facebook also, Rick London uh 1964. Uh Instagram, I haven't set that up yet. Um, and then I have my website, which is just dancing Wolfman, but Wolfwood and E, because of the, you know, my uh Titus's last name is Wolfwood and E, uh dancingwolfman.com. And actually on my website, there's a link on there that you could uh it'll take you to Amazon. Uh you could buy the book on Amazon. However, Amazon has issues. If you have a Prime account, you you will not be able to buy the the hardcover or the paperback. You would have to have just a regular Amazon account. So it's all it's also available at other sites like um like Driftbooks, Orange Genoble, Apple Books, you know, uh like like I have it like on 16 different sites. If you just Google it, um it'll ask you, did you mean Dancing Wolfman with an E? And you click on that and it'll give you a list of where you can buy it. But you can go on my website and again, particularly Amazon, but again, you have to have a regular Amazon account to get it. And it's also available on Kindle. There's a lot of Kindle readers. I have a Kindle myself. Um so if you like reading books, you know, electronic versions, the ebook is available as well.
SPEAKER_02Awesome. Well, thank you so much. I'm really in we really enjoyed having you. Is there anything else you would like to say really quickly before we sign off and say goodbye to everyone?
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's it's it's been it's been a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Uh um I'm glad we talked about it in like in the movie sense. You know, it's like uh that's that's uh that's good. And again, I'm working hard on getting an agent. Uh I'm preparing some some uh preparing a lot of uh way, you know, outlining my my ways to get an agent. And uh, you know, I plan to get my book adapted, you know, that's my hope. Because I think it's a I think it's a great story to, you know, for a movie. And but you know, would every with anything in life, right? It's all about timing and being at the right place at the right time and having good people, you know, follow you. A lot of times it's I could do a bunch of stuff, but you know, it's just a matter of being exposed to the right people, and hopefully, you know, somebody somebody will uh uh uh will read, will hear this podcast, listen to it or view it, or some other one, and uh you know, uh it might be a start of a good thing.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, definitely and definitely wish you the best, and hopefully we do get to see us on the big screen. Um, because it sounds amazing. Werewolves in the Bay Area. That that sounds cool. That just sounds really cool, and especially throwing music. It sounds like it'll be an exciting, uh, fun time to watch, a great movie experience.
SPEAKER_00I hope so too. Yeah, I I think it will be, right? I don't know if either of you have been to San Francisco. It's a great place to it's a great place to live, it's beautiful here, you know. Great, great uh the landscape is beautiful, you know, got the Golden Gate Bridge, got the fog, you know, it's just gorgeous here. So yeah, I think it would be a great setting.
SPEAKER_02I think so too. And yeah, San Francisco's beautiful. I haven't been there in a few years, but yes, it's absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for joining us today. And be sure to go buy Rick's Rick's book on Amazon or any of the other websites he mentioned, or you can go to his website, dancingwolfmanwithanee.com. And yeah, be sure to read his book, check it out, and that way when it hits the big screen at some point in the future, you've already read it.
unknownThank you.
SPEAKER_00Thank you so much. You guys are awesome. I appreciate you having me. Thank you.