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Episode # 73 - Interview with Mary-Claire Brown

Chad Moore & Mark Griffo Season 2 Episode 73

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Join us on this incorrectly numbered episode of "All-In Design", as we talk with our friend Mary-Claire Brown with Turnerbatson. On this episode, we talk about Mary-Claire's journey from nursing to interior design and her tapping into her creative side within the interior design profession. We also discuss her previous role as IIDA Alabama chapter President and her uncanny ability to rescue pets and pawn them off on others. It's a fun discussion with a good friend as we kick-off 2026.

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From the plus recording studios for IIDA Alabama. This is All in Design. Hello and welcome to All in Design, IIDA Alabama's podcast. Thank you for listening. My name is Chad Moore here with my co-host Mark Griffo.

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Hey everybody.

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And happy New Year's, January 1st, 2020. Happy New Year.

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Yeah. We did it. Woohoo! Yes, we're we're popping champagne and we've got noisemakers. You just can't hear them.

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We are so drunk. Yeah, it's actually uh Jane, I guess December, that would be the month. December 22nd while we're recording this. So uh we will try to pretend that it is the new year. Uh but we have a very special guest on to kick the year off. Mark, if you would do the honors of introducing who we have.

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I'm very happy to. Um yeah, because it's it's this is the number one spot of 2026. It is. So it sets the tone. It sets the tone for the year. Um she's nodding her head up at that like hell yeah. It's oh, you're you're here for this. You're ready. Um she's like, get on with it. Um I usually say more jokes than this, but I will get on with it because I'm getting a lot of looks. You're like a mime. It's doing great. Okay, anyway, moving on. I'm very happy to introduce uh our friend uh Mary Claire Brown from Turner Batson here in Birmingham. She is an interior designer. Uh she is a former, not only former board member, IDA board member, but uh used to be the president for a little while.

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She was also um president-elect at one point.

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Yes, and past president at one point too. So all three of those things. So we now that we've rounded out your entire resume, Mary Claire, welcome to the show. Hello. Hello.

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What up, guys?

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We're well, you know, what's up? What's up with you?

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Oh, you know, just sitting in the pink room. It's not really pink.

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It's called yeah, it's called the pink room because of the chairs. Yeah. She walked in and she's like, This is the pink room? And she's like, Because of the chairs? I'm like, Yeah, the chairs. Yeah.

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We're very creative here in the IIDA Alabama studio.

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Very much so.

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So um well, we're happy to we're happy to have you. Happy New Year.

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Happy New Year.

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Did you have a great Christmas and New Year's?

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Yes. It was wonderful.

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Okay, good. Yeah, and then we'll answer and it's really difficult. Did you sell your house?

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No. Oh, I hope so.

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But don't jinx it. Yes. Yes, and we got a hundred grand over asking.

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Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. Ooh, manifest. That's right. Yeah.

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So you're selling your house?

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Yes, in Coleman.

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In Coleman. That's right. Yep. Okay. Um, well, we're gonna get into all that.

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Oh, okay.

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So uh I mean, I don't know, we may not. You like looked at me like yeah, whatever you feel, whatever can help sell the house, I think. Yeah, that's what we're gonna get into.

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I can walk you through the plan.

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We've got such outreach. Well, because you are an interior designer. Yes. So yep. Um, well, cool. Well, we'll get into all the personal stuff. We'll talk about your husband, your house, everything. Classic, okay. Classic. Um, but let's talk, let's start with you. Okay. So, what what do you want people to know about you out of the gate?

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Ooh, that my name is Mary Claire. Not Mary, not just Claire, Mary Claire.

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Okay.

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Um, that's a good start.

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I'm glad I I'm glad I didn't mess that up. Yeah, thank you. I've been offended. I've known you for, I don't know, probably close to a decade now, and I would have been really embarrassed if you were like, oh yeah, by the way, Mark. I just realized I've been calling her the wrong thing the whole time. Yeah. Megan.

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Yeah, I would clear there right here in front of everybody.

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You would, yeah, yeah. Without yeah, without being shy.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that's my personality. So um, do you want me to tell you like that?

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So, where where are you from? What's your background? How'd you get into design?

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I'm from Coleman, Alabama, which is in between Birmingham and Huntsville. Um, I got into design because I went to the University of Alabama and I thought I wanted to be a nurse, which I feel like other podcasts people have mentioned that, which is very interesting. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's more like the helping people aspect of why that's been so similar. Anyway.

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Um the blood and stuff.

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Yeah, the blood for sure. So that's the comparison.

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Did you do any nursing classes?

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No, it was unfortunately when I was trying to get in nursing school. That's when Alabama really like skyrocketed and in their nursing program, and you had to be like top of the top to get in. Okay, and that just wasn't me.

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Okay.

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Chemistry man.

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Not my So you're like, I'll be top of the top of the design world. For sure. Yeah.

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No, well, at first I like the professor was like, listen, if you if you want to be a nurse, I mean, she was really straightforward, which I appreciate. She was like, you'll go somewhere else. Or if you want to stay at Alabama, you'll do something different. And I was like, Well, I want to stay here.

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That was pretty direct. Yeah. Yeah.

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Which I mean, I think at that point I needed, right?

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Like I didn't want to be like, Yeah, you need to make a decision what you're doing.

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So my parents were like, Why don't you do something more creative? And so I took graphic design classes and I really enjoyed it. And then one of my professors was like, Maybe you should check out the interior design program. And then since then, boom. Yep, it happened.

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Did you fall in love with it immediately?

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Yes.

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Yep. Cool. Yeah.

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You know, we don't have we have we have had a few, you know, like maybe medical profession. Right. One Supreme Court justice. Yeah. But most people are like Or biology, I think there was somebody else.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But a lot of people were like, you know, like I was redesigning my, you know, like Jen. Yeah. You know, Curry. Yeah, last episode is is one of several who've been like, oh, like I always was just like moving all my furniture around. Yeah. Right. So it's just interesting that like you're like, oh, like I'm gonna go and create a field into your design. Right. Boom. Love that.

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That's the thing too. I don't have that story where like I was moving furniture around, drawing plans.

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It was just more like the artistic side of me that I think my parents are like, you just need to like find something to How is that manifesting itself then for them to look at that and just art doing okay?

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Yeah, yeah. Just being more on that side than I am the technical side of things, which I think everyone at work could probably say the same thing. So they don't come to me for like rabbit questions or anything like that.

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That's just I think that's fine.

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Oh, because you need a mix of everybody, right? Yeah.

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You can't just be But wouldn't nursing be somewhat technical, or is that why you they said you should you shouldn't go into this?

SPEAKER_06

Um probably. My bedside manner would be awesome. It's like what dose did you give them? I'm like I don't know. Just it's like a feeling, you know.

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Well, they're dead.

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20 or 30 CC, something I don't know.

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Yeah. CC's is something, right?

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Well, I had a lot of or I still do. I shouldn't say had, but um there's a lot of nurses in my family. So it just felt kind of natural.

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Right. Um Were they disappointed? Are you the black person? Okay. I think they all asked them they would say it makes sense. A collective sigh of relief.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Yeah, probably. No, I think they it makes sense to them. Yeah. Um I think they knew I would be a good nurse, just like the bets I made are all that kind of stuff. But like the chemistry, that's just that's what did me in.

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Right.

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That's not that ain't me.

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When you were when you were in Alabama, did you did you have uh were you lean how soon did you start leaning toward what path in the profession you wanted to go, whether it be commercial, healthcare, residential?

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Probably sophomore year. Yeah, it was pretty quick, I think. Um we did a lot of residential in the beginning and I enjoyed it, but once I started to learn about the commercial side and like all the different ways you could design or be in a different type of the field or whatever. Um I don't know, just I really like that the versatility of it. Right. Um and I just designing homes is so personal and I could just see myself I don't know, not thriving in that kind of looking at people and saying you're wrong.

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Yeah. You're making terrible decisions.

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Yeah, but that's can you see me doing that?

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No, actually, it's like the antithesis of your of your fantastic bedside marriage. I could see you not doing that, I was being facetious. I could see you not doing that and then going home and hating yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I've had I've had little tiny experiences with it. Um I literally went over to my sister-in-law's house and she was like showing me her porch edition she was doing, and she was like, Look at these countertops, what color do you think? And I'm sitting there and I just naturally have to think about things. I'm not like a Johnny on the spot. Yeah, right. And she's like, tell me your opinion now. And I'm like, good reminder of why this is not right, yeah. I mean, I could tell her, you know, but like if someone else was like it's like let me sit with it for a moment, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And your response is actually you're doing the entire thing wrong. So let's not start with colors. I wouldn't go with any of these. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

None? If you want my honest, no, I'm kidding.

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You've got the counter on the wrong side, first of all. So it was it was all good.

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It was all good. For sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. No, it was all good. It just, it was just, it made me laugh because I'm like, this is this is why I'm not.

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Yeah. I know my wife, Chesley, when she was, she'd have people like, Oh, you need to come over to our house, you know, and help me with my whatever. And I know she would be like, Oh, that's not what I do. Yeah. Right. Yeah. At all. Yeah. Yeah. And that actually was one of the uh questions that we had. What are some challenges you face in the field of interior design? And your response, I don't know if you remember. Do you want me to remind you? Sure, go for it. Uh some people may not always understand exactly what we do. Yep. And so then I wrote down, what do interior designers do?

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The floor is yours.

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Oh boy. Oh boy.

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What a loaded question.

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Just remember that um as of 20 minutes ago before we started recording, I did pitch this podcast to a freshman interior designer looking to get in, learn more about the industry. She's an interior designer major at Mississippi State. Okay. And so I was good program. I was yeah, good program. I was pumping this up just because like you can hear about she's here in Birmingham, she lives here. Um, and I was like, you can learn about all different designers and different firms.

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Um this is oh boy. So it imagine you're you're speaking to that girl. Yep.

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To make it even better. Yeah. No pressure.

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We can call her. She's still here. I think she's still here, yeah. If you want to get her in on the show.

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I mean, I'm happy to have her here. For real. But I don't know if she wants to listen to me. Go listen to other episodes before mine. Thanks. Um, let's see. I think I guess I'm I mean, I'm speaking from the commercial side, right? I just sometimes I see clients come in and it's so new to them. Like designing a whole, let's just say an office. Um they're going from, you know, something they've been in for a very long time. Yeah. And then it's brand new, maybe even bigger. And it's just that's just overwhelming in itself. Right. And so we provide renderings and sometimes videos of the interior or the exterior, all the, you know, all the above. We provide plans and we do this all day long, right? So sometimes I'll forget that they're seeing this for the first time, like ever. And sometimes they don't understand what they're looking at. And so I have to backtrack and be like, and explain it. And sometimes I feel like I'm talking like not down to them, but you know, I'm trying to say like Yeah.

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I mean I was always surprised like when somebody when you look at a floor plan and people are like, I don't what are we look what are we doing? And you're like, you can't.

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Right, and I'm like, Yeah, you can't visualize this. Yeah, right. Um but then I'm like, okay, that's why I do what I do because I can, and it's just it comes natural to me, right? So um sometimes it's just learning to coach people through it, and everyone's different, so you gotta do that in slightly different ways. And some people want a lot of information, some people can just go with it and it's simple and easy. Um so I think it's just finding out how to explain that to your client. By the first two or three meetings. Um usually like we'll have a conversation first, and I like to sit there and like listen to how they react to people in the room. And sometimes I can pick up quick on that. Or it's the first time I'm showing them something, or they're seeing exterior renderings, like the architect's walking them through it, and I'm seeing their reaction and the questions they're asking. And I'm like, total confusion, or yeah, or they're or they're picking up on it.

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Yeah, or they're asking good questions.

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And sometimes that's overwhelming to see that in and digest it all, because it's a lot of information. Because you know, we only get a certain amount of time with them because they're busy themselves. So it's like we're trying to give them all the information because we're hoping that that's helpful, but then sometimes it's like Right.

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Wait, what? You're throwing so much at them, right? Right.

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And then they come back and then they're like, Well, back to that image you showed last time, and then changing all this stuff, and then we're sitting there going, What? But then I'm remembering like they gotta they're trying to think about it and understand it. So anyway, yeah.

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It's no different than your sister-in-law asking you what color this should this countertop be, and you'd be like, I need to think about this. Yeah, your client's like, I need to yeah, it's the same thing.

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Yeah. But I mean, there's a lot of people, there's some people in my office that are very good, like they can just make decisions like this, like really quick. I'm sapping my fingers.

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Um are they good decisions?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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How is she how else is she supposed to answer that question? That's that's fair. Yeah, I threw out a landmine, she jumped right over it. So no, I wish sometimes terrible every time.

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No, I wish sometimes I could do that. That I could like make decisions that quickly. Because sometimes you need to. Sometimes you can't just sit there and like overthink. I'll be back in a week. Yeah, right. Yeah. Like no one's always wanting that. But sometimes I just need a minute.

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Yeah.

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And I usually sit silent, which is probably not.

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I'm that way too. And sometimes the answer comes to me when I'm not thinking about it.

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Right. Yeah.

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I like to give answers before people even ask the question. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.

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See, yeah. Yeah, we're a little opposite.

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By hitting them with all the information possible. And just not.

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And then I'm still sitting there going, uh, well I shouldn't let them speak.

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Oh. And then the meeting's over. I'm kidding. I'm pausing for effect here, letting you guys pick it up.

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See, now I'm thinking about what you said. You just like word vomited all the stuff.

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Does that mean in about 20 minutes you're gonna have a witty comeback? Is that probably in the car? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Can you plug this in in the podcast?

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Yeah, you call one of us and you're like, hey, press record on your phone.

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Yeah.

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We don't edit the show, but maybe we could edit things in. We probably could. Yeah, for sure. But that would take work. Yeah, this is already too much work. Yeah, I don't do that. So you're at UA.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then we're gonna bounce around a little bit, sort of kind of. Not really, but you're at UA. How did you get did you do any internships? How did you get introduced to Turnabats and Yes?

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I did an internship my or end of junior year. I actually did it at Davis Architects. Um and I really loved that.

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And then after that, I got quite yeah, I had the question because you were you were already two years in.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They wouldn't let me double up on classes. Okay. So I ended up, let's see. Or like they wouldn't let me double up on studios. Okay.

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Um, because they build on each other.

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Correct, yeah. So I ended up getting a minor in graphic design because just to say full time and yeah, all that kind of jazz.

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That's why we that's why we ask these questions. Right? You learn something new every day.

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Um so yeah, I was there for a really long time. Anywho, so my how long's a really long time coming junior year.

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My seventh year junior year. Mary Claire is 52. Yeah. Yeah.

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Surprise. Um so yeah, my junior year, um, that's when I did my internship at Davis.

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Okay.

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I graduated in 2016. Yeah.

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Dang. Yeah, I know. Wow.

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Mm-hmm. From Alabama. Just making sure you realize that.

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I mean, I had said that I was like, we've known each other almost a decade. I think that's just the start. Because I I can do math.

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But see, I look so youthful and just everyone thinks I'm so young. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They're shocked. True.

SPEAKER_01

Chad, you want to take it from here? No, I'm enjoying watching the back and forth.

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Oh me.

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So you had an internship at Davis. How'd you end up at Turner Batson?

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Um I just started applying after my after I got your third senior year. Yeah, my 14th senior year. Um Yeah, I just started applying and thankfully they accepted me. Yeah, it wasn't really an at all dramatic story.

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Right. But you got you put yourself out there. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And what what kind of work does Turner Batson do primarily or is it kind of all over the place?

SPEAKER_06

Um it's it's kind of all over the place. We I I say we basically do everything except large health care and hotels like hospitality. Um we kind of do everything in between. When Turner Batson started, it was a lot of um churches, or it was strictly churches. It was strictly churches, yeah. Um and then they diversified their portfolio and we just started branching out. Like when I started, we were doing a lot of assisted living projects. And now we've kind of trended more I think towards education, I feel like, like K through 12 and higher ed. Um but we still do a lot of church work, um corporate offices. We'll do like medical offices, but like I said, nothing like large healthcare. Right, right. Um retail, you know.

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Do you have a uh particular preference? Are there certain projects or types of projects that you tend to gravitate towards or just enjoy?

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I I think I really like education, but I also like the fact that we do a a bunch of different types of projects. I think that's why I enjoy uh commercial design because it's not just one thing or it doesn't have to be just one thing. Um and some people like specializing, right?

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I mean Yeah, right.

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Um but yeah.

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Uh I think education is probably K through twelve or higher ed or both? K through twelve, for sure. Okay.

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For sure.

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Well, I mean higher ed has some really great projects. I mean it's it can get very specialized too, but I don't know. I just love like I think one of the questions was what was your favorite project or something? Um and it was a media center, which is like a library. Um and it I mean it was very small in scope, but it just I don't know, seeing like the kids come in and use it and just the imagination you can have in there, I just really love it.

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How old were the kids? Like what's the what's the age range? What were their names? Well, what's I got to know every single one of them? What what were all the things that you uh specified and who was your main contact there? Ooh.

SPEAKER_06

Good one. Random story, I found a cat there. Oh but we can go into that later.

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We can go into that now. Yeah. Because you just you brought it up. Yeah. We won't you know. So did like did you take this cat home?

SPEAKER_06

Oh, for sure. You really want to hear the story? I do now. Okay, I'm sure. I have to now. So it was over the summer during COVID. So I actually didn't get to see a lot of the kids. We got pictures and all that kind of stuff.

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But um So is this 2021?

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2020.

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2020? Yeah, yeah, 2020.

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Full-on COVID. Yes, yep.

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And did the cat have COVID?

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No. Okay, but there is a story to the cat though. Okay. Listen, Mark.

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I'm going on. Yeah.

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Um so we walk up, it's just me and the architect, and the cat's outside meowing. It's really tiny, and I love cats. I love dogs too, but anyway. Most of the case. And I feel so bad for this cat.

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If it was a dog, you'd have left it there.

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No.

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I thought she was about to say that. She was about to agree with me. That's a good head fake.

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No. Um, and I felt really bad. You could tell something was wrong with the cat. It was limping. Okay. So then that just sent me into like, oh, I can't leave this cat here. Well, the architect doesn't like cats, so he's like, it'll be fine. I know. And he's gonna listen to this and be like, oh my gosh. Anyway. Um what's his name? I can say it. It's Will. Hey, Will. Will who doesn't like cats? Um, anywho.

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Or just injured ones. He doesn't like injured cats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Let's go with that.

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Um, so he's like, oh, just leave it alone. It's fine. I mean, we're trying to punch, and all I can think about is this cat. So we come back outside. If it's like, I was like, if this cat's still here, it's meant to be. And what do you know?

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What do you know? What do you know?

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Couldn't walk away. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's true. It was like 10 feet away. That's as far as it could move.

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So at this time, I was living in an apartment with my roommate, and me and Joe David, my husband now, um, we're dating, and he doesn't like cats. So my grand plan, classic grand plan, was since he doesn't live there, I can just bring the cat home and he can't argue with me. And you know.

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It's your place. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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And my roommate at the time, she had a boyfriend, and he also didn't like cats. Okay. So I'm like, it became like a double grand plan, right? And he was to keep his boyfriends away. No. Allergic to the cat. Okay. Yeah. I know. That's important. Yeah. Um, so anyway, I pick up the cat, I take it to the vet, do all the whole thing. It's whole like shoulder blade is shattered.

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Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06

Wow.

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So I'm thinking to lose the case. I know, right.

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So I'm thinking I'm gonna have to amputate this cat's leg.

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Yourself? Well, she did almost become a nurse. So that's true.

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Um, so did you know it's really expensive to do that? I would imagine. It's like okay, the cat, I y'all can't see, but you know, everyone knows what a cat size is, right? I mean, it was like five grand or something.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, I guess that's it's a big deal to take a leg off, but like, can you imagine having to amputate your dog's leg? Anyway, we didn't do it, it's fine. And he's still you wouldn't even know he had a wait, hold on.

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So you take the cat into the vet. Yes. What's wrong with the cat? And the vet's like, the shoulder shoulders shattered. Right. And we need to amputate the leg. It'll be five thousand dollars. And you're like, well, never mind.

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But just give me some painkillers.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Well and something for the cat. The cat's but the cat was living on the street. Like this is an upgrade.

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Yeah.

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For sure. The cat should be happy. Yeah.

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Oh, and he was. Learn to walk, tiny Tim.

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The cat probably would have died if it would have left out with the without a leg. Yeah. Well, no, no. It still would have its legs.

SPEAKER_02

It would just be useless. Was it a front front, it was a front shoulder? Yeah, it was a front shoulder. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. So I'm like, that's a big deal. Anyway, the cat made it. It's walking, you would never know. So I just saved myself five grand. Back up a little bit. So I'm trying to name this cat. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Did you name it Will?

SPEAKER_06

I should have. That would have been good. You know what I named it? Sammy.

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No.

SPEAKER_06

Because Sammy in a language that I can't remember means three. Uh-huh. And I thought I was going to have three legs. Okay. Yeah. And then I met Sammy Warnoff. And I said, Oh my gosh, I have a cat named Sammy. And she really didn't think that was funny.

SPEAKER_02

I was going to say, and she looked at you like, oh, we're never going to be friends.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. And then I just forced the friendship and we're good now.

SPEAKER_01

So and if you get really injured, I'm not going to pay for anything.

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Right.

SPEAKER_01

Fair. Fair.

SPEAKER_02

Like you'll make it, don't worry. So we're going to stay on the cat for just a little longer because there's questions to be answered.

SPEAKER_01

So you can see this is this is great contact. This is why people listen to the podcast.

SPEAKER_02

This is, yeah, that's what I do. They just care about your pets. For sure. Um so the the Joe David stayed. Oh, right. We know this because you're married to him now, right? Yeah, for sure. Did your roommate's boyfriend stay?

SPEAKER_06

100%.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

They're also married.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. This is what brought everybody together.

SPEAKER_01

Was he actually allergic? Because you did the air quotes and you want to come back to him.

SPEAKER_06

So um no.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. He's a liar.

SPEAKER_06

Curveball. Joe Evan never came around to liking the cat. But her boyfriend and husband loved the cat. So the plan worked on him.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Not my husband. So then she took the cat, and then her sister ha also has well the cat's all black. So she has another cat that's all black. And then anyway, now her sister has it. And he's living his best life.

SPEAKER_02

So Sammy is still alive and well.

SPEAKER_06

For sure.

SPEAKER_02

In in her in now the third household.

SPEAKER_06

Correct.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Way to go. I mean, I hope Sammy does I hope this is Sammy's forever home. Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_06

She yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. He keeps bouncing around. It sounds really bad, but no. It it all worked out for the best. He's he has a best friend and she takes very good care of him. You know, I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Do you have do you have any pets at this point?

SPEAKER_06

Yes. I have I have a dog, Hunter, my firstborn.

SPEAKER_01

I I have a dog.

SPEAKER_02

I noticed that too.

SPEAKER_06

I'll just have to preface that because he's Joe David like animals. He does. I'm getting I'm getting to that. Um so I had my own dog prior to him.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

That's what I meant. My firstborn, Hunter, is his name.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. And then And did he and Sammy get along?

SPEAKER_06

Um, no, see, Hunter has to say it my parents because he's a shorty, a shitsu yorky, so he's very like anxious.

SPEAKER_02

A shorty? Uh-huh. Yep.

SPEAKER_06

It's a real thing, I promise.

SPEAKER_01

I believe it. Um so you take pets and then give them the other things.

SPEAKER_06

This sounds really bad. No, okay. Uh I have to read it myself. Okay. So then my husband You're very generous. Listen, it's it's gonna get better for me. So then my husband brought home a dog from when he went deer hunting, and his name is Camp, and he lives with us still to this day. Do you love? And it's not going anywhere. I love Camp. Okay. And then a year ago, my husband went duck hunting. What is the deal?

SPEAKER_01

Exactly are you like you can't go hunting anymore?

SPEAKER_06

You know, I don't think that's gonna work out. Yeah, that's not. I was tempted at the time to say that, but that's not gonna happen. Um and his name is Itchy.

SPEAKER_01

I I actually know this story. You do? Okay, I don't know the story.

SPEAKER_06

Um he he he called me and said, Hey, there's a bloodhound here. I love him. I think I'm gonna bring him home. I'm like, haha, very funny. And that was the end of the conversation.

SPEAKER_02

And then when he This is how Aaron and I got earnest, because Aaron and our story is Joe David. So go on. Yeah, I've been in your shoes.

SPEAKER_01

So So where was the dog just hanging out somewhere? Yeah, he was somebody's backyard. The owner had a collar on, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh he brought that dog across state lines?

SPEAKER_06

Yes, he did. Um so somebody had dropped it off and it was just hanging out, and the owner of the duck camp was like, I don't really Does anybody want this? Yeah, basically. And all his guy friends were like, Oh, if you leave the dog here, he's not gonna make it. So anyway, yeah. So Javid's on his way home and doesn't mention one time that he actually brought the dog's in the passenger screen until he walked until he walks in the door and goes, Can't meet your new brother. I'm like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01

And then you're don't call me brother. That's weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I'm not your bro. Anyway, um, yep, so now we have Itchy. A full blood. Where did the name come from?

SPEAKER_01

That's where the story was going.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, apparently he was already named Itchy. Okay. So just imagine yelling that in the dog park. Just think about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We am I imagining that he wants to get another dog though?

SPEAKER_06

Um, he's kind of mentioned it before about.

SPEAKER_02

Have I dreamed this that you want a scratchy?

SPEAKER_06

No, he says that. He's like, we have itchy and a scratchy as a joke.

SPEAKER_01

But no, we just have really weird if you're those are the dreams you're having. Yeah. Right. Well, yeah. I do have weird.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's like listen to this podcast at the end.

SPEAKER_02

Chad's over here flipping the page, like, we're gonna get back on track now that we've talked about uh Camp and Itchy and Sammy.

SPEAKER_06

And Hunter.

SPEAKER_02

And don't forget Hunter. Don't forget Hunter.

SPEAKER_01

But it's fun, it's fun to have a name that makes it weird like that. I think it is.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, no, I've gotten used to it now, but at first I was like, I can't say that in public. We have is he an itchy?

SPEAKER_02

Like, is it not that he scratches is he itchy, but like is it his personality? Yes, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, yeah, yeah. No doubt.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because we had we had Sinatra the cat, Elvis the dog. Both were named prior. Like we didn't name either of them. Oh, okay. Uh, and then we had Dingo Bob. So it's Elvis Sinatra. Dingo Bob. Dingo Bob. Yeah. That's awesome. And we didn't name him either.

SPEAKER_04

Just go with it.

SPEAKER_02

Dingo Bob or Dingo Bob. Like, was he?

SPEAKER_01

He looked like a dingo. That's yeah. So he he was uh I had gone out running one night, twisted my ankle because I've got really weak ankles. And so I was walking back learning something new every day. Yeah, yeah. From playing soccer, I've rolled my ankle so many times. Um so I had rolled my ankle when I was out running. So I'm walking back, and this dog was barking at me and ran up and didn't have a collar on. Oh, I guess maybe he did have a collar on, but he was in a yard that all the lights were off and there was nobody home. And so it's like, okay. So I just brought him into our backyard and was like, I'll figure this out in the morning because it's nighttime. And there was a we shared a fence with the neighbor next door, and the dogs had dug a hole underneath, so he had gone underneath into their backyard. So when they woke up that morning, there's a strange dog in their backyard, and he looks kind of like a dingo. And so our neighbor was like, Hey honey, we got a dingo in the backyard. And she's like, What? He's like, Dingo Bob right there. And that's where his name came from. Dingo Bob.

SPEAKER_06

Dingo Bob. Yeah. It's just as simple as that. Right. And you can't change it. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So and just to finish that story, we found the owner. Um it was a vet collar, so we were able to call the vet and find the owner. And then he showed up, I guess maybe a couple weeks later without a collar. He just showed up at our house. So we called the vet back and they're like, Oh, yeah. It was somebody else's, that person passed away, and so somebody else took the dog and more than likely just took the collar off and sent him on his way. So if you like someone, then Dingo Bob came and found you. Yes. That's a good story, though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. That's a good ending. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Happy New Year, everyone. This concludes our episode of Animal Planet on all InDesign.

SPEAKER_06

Really start off the year strong.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I don't even know where to go. Like, what's a what's a good segue back into interior design at this point? Have you um have you designed any dog shelters?

SPEAKER_06

No, I haven't. I did help a friend of a friend do a dog grooming, like just like their lobby and kind of that.

SPEAKER_02

So I don't think either one of us were expecting you to have an answer. I didn't either, and so I just thought of that. So I'm really proud of myself. Yeah, well done.

SPEAKER_01

Well done. Nice. There was um we were earlier on, we were talking about talking to um clients and like giving too much information or not enough. And there was you did write about because it was like what was one of the best experiences you had, and you mentioned you were on a Zoom call and going through a millwork thing. Yes. And they apparently you were like, maybe I'm giving them too much, and they were like eating it up.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yeah. Yeah, I was on the phone for about like two hours going over mill workshop drawings. And yeah, I just thought I was giving them way too much information. But he never stopped me and we just kept going at the very end. He was like, I just want you to know how much I really appreciated that. And I'm like, wow. Yeah. And I told him, I was like, I thought I was giving you way too much information. He was like, No, at this point, it's hard to remember what we reviewed, you know, or what I saw like a year ago or however long it's been. And so now that I'm like starting to understand the building and all that, it just like it helped make sense. And we changed some things, which I think is gonna be way better than him walking in and being like, actually, I don't like that, or you know, right.

SPEAKER_01

So this is still a current, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

It's still current. So um I was like, wow, that's awesome. I need to drink a whole bottle of water because I just talked so much, but I'm so glad.

SPEAKER_02

Do you do a lot of um client calls by Zoom? I mean, is this person not in the state? What's their name and address?

SPEAKER_06

I don't know if I'll share that one. But no, they're in the state and they're actually in Birmingham, but they're very So it's just a convenience. Yeah, yeah, they're very busy, and it just you know, he can hop on a call and it just takes care of anyone having to drive back and forth. That's convenient. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Especially if they're paying attention, because I think the the fear would be that like if especially if you're presenting and you can't see people's faces, depending on how you're doing it. Yeah, we try to there's no feedback, and especially if they're not talking, and you're on the end of the line, like, well, I guess I'll just keep giving you details until they stop me.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. That's why I could never be a rep. Oh, but that would be my worst nightmare.

SPEAKER_02

Of being as like to like just get up and present. Don't you do that now?

SPEAKER_06

I know. I do, but I don't have to do it as much as y'all do.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Chad doesn't present. Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah. He's just a personality. People just come here. He's just a personality. I'm an influencer. People people just, yeah, they just flock to him. He just, you know, and he's just like, it's just so natural. Anytime he gets involved in something, he is involved in all the things. These are compliments coming your way. Thank you. It's like you just you know you have these ideas and stuff, and then Chad's like, oh yeah, by the way, I have this really cool idea, and I've already done it, and here it is. And you're like, this actually is a really cool idea, and thanks.

SPEAKER_06

Right. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01

Yay me. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yay you.

SPEAKER_01

Way to go. This might be my favorite podcast. See? Sorry. That's my New Year's gift to you. All right, so the um Mississippi State student that was here. Yes. Uh, one of our questions was what advice do you have for aspiring interior designers? Do you remember what you wrote?

SPEAKER_06

No.

SPEAKER_01

I just went with any specific skills or qualities in your patient time management.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Patience, for sure. Um, time management. What was my third one?

SPEAKER_01

So the thing. Do you want me to just read it? Yeah, yeah, go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why I was trying to do that when I said I don't remember. What did what did Mary Claire say? Remembering. Be a good listener. Remember what you wrote down. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07

Remember what you wrote down.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for sure. Document everything.

SPEAKER_06

Classic.

SPEAKER_01

Uh confident in what you put out there.

SPEAKER_06

Yes. And that kind of goes back to my sister-in-law story. I mean, because a lot of clients, I mean, they're trusting you with their entire project. So it even if you're an introvert, you gotta you gotta find that confidence in somehow in your own way.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_06

Um and I just mean that, like, there's some people that just like have it and you can tell that that's just how they are. But um and that's kind of what my bosses have helped me with. Like when I started, I was very, very quiet and didn't think I could lead or do anything like that. Um, so you just gotta find ways. Like, IDA really helped me with that, I think. If I mean I volunteered, but it like forced me to be a leader. Um, and I think it helped because it wasn't in my own office. So I was like surrounded by friends, not that people at my office aren't my friends, but you know what I mean? Like it's just a different environment. Yeah. No, sorry, Will fall. Um you know what I mean though?

SPEAKER_01

Like it's just because we we had we had a our fall retreat, and that was one of the questions, like kind of what do you get out of IDA? And one of the responses, I think Andrew was the one who said it, was basically you can take on leadership roles kind of without, you know, but there's not a huge consequences if things go south. Right. Um but then it also gives, you know, your your company that you work for it it alerts to them too that you're interested in taking on some leadership responsibility as well.

SPEAKER_06

Exactly. So I should have also put getting involved in your community.

SPEAKER_02

That would be another good one.

SPEAKER_06

But yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, speaking of like just leadership and presenting and stuff like that, I've been sitting here thinking compliment coming your way, Mary Claire. Oh boy. This would have been a very different com uh episode had we talked to you eight years ago.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, a thousand percent.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Like because you were very quiet and just introverted, like not like not shy, but just quiet and thoughtful. And now you're thoughtful and you're well spoken.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and we've we've had people on where they talk about confidence, and it's a lot of it comes from just being prepared. And again, going back to you talking about really thinking things through, having thought it through, you've got everything kind of straight in your mind, then you've got the confidence to speak on it because you've really thought about it. Yeah. Whereas I think there are people that exude confidence and have no idea what they're talking about. A lot of reps.

SPEAKER_02

Naming no names. Who are you thinking? No name. I'm thinking of uh what was that manufacturer that we had on recently? We had drinks. Um it's Bridget. It's Bridget. Oh, there's the name yikes. Well, so you know what? Bridget's awesome. No, I love Bridget. Bridget actually she put out a uh a kind of an end-of-the-year post today on her on her Mannington commercial um Instagram page, and it leads off with the video of me from the show doing the jumping fist pop yelling Mannington. Okay, nice so that's how she started the video.

SPEAKER_06

Look, and you just chased her.

SPEAKER_02

Well, no, I've also I'm just doing this so I can remind her that she owes me money. Oh for that.

SPEAKER_06

Wow, we're going all over the place.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, where are we going?

SPEAKER_01

What's going on here?

SPEAKER_06

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I love you, Bridget.

SPEAKER_02

It's great. Why does she owe you money? Because she's using me in her commercial. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06

I thought you're see, there I go again. Thought you're being legit. And I was like, wow, we're airing this.

SPEAKER_02

Oh no. No, I am being legit. She does owe me money. I get Oh my gosh, what's happening? Making clear, before we press record, we made several jokes about you being gullible. I know.

SPEAKER_06

It's not like I'll change after you press record.

SPEAKER_02

Press record. I am now a new person. Yeah. And I am no longer gullible.

SPEAKER_06

Um, as you made the comment earlier, it took me eight years to be like this.

SPEAKER_02

So you expected eight minutes ago or however long this has been. Now you've now you've twisted my words. I didn't say it twisted. Twisted your words. I said eight years ago. This would be the look on your face. Same different look on your face. Keep talking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I'm trying. I was gonna come up with some nice comments about Mark because you know he said nice things about us, but I'm not sure I'm going to now. Oh, boo. Happy New Year, everybody. Show's over.

SPEAKER_06

Mark is awesome. There you go. We'll go with that. Yeah, thanks.

SPEAKER_02

Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06

I said that for chat as well, so we just said that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So that's that's the thing. Ditto's the one. Yeah, you're so good. Ditto. You're so good. Well, if you guys want to continue on without me, that'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_06

No, it's okay. You can stay. Okay, thanks. You're welcome. I'm glad you knew that was a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01

So why do you think why do you think what Bridget said just is mostly BS? I actually forgot um why yeah. Thanks for bringing it back. Thanks for circling.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, I thought we were seguiting onto something else.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You didn't write much in your questionnaire thing, so I didn't know.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, well, I don't like conflict. Put that in bold, and here we go.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, and here we go. Yeah, well, you know. Um, you know, all press is good press. It's not exactly the phrase, but you know. I know, yeah, I know what you're doing. Yeah, bad press is good press. And I'm not dragging Bridget. No. Um Mannington. She made a lot of jokes in her own personal story. You, Mary Claire, you you listened to the podcast, but maybe you haven't gotten to Bridget's episode yet, because it's not yet. And the way she starts is she talks about when she was a rep, she had worked for Mannington in kind of these different positions. She was their first ever sales trainee, maybe their last ever sales trainee. Joke that she made. Not me, right? Right, right. But how when she got out into it, and this is very true for any rep, especially if it's something that they don't have never been in, is you're just kind of winging it.

SPEAKER_01

And you're yeah, and you're regurgitating the the sales materials you're given. So she so it was one of the questions was like ergonomic, because I was asked to ask her, because she was going and it's like the carpet, it's ergonomic or whatever. And somebody was like, How is it ergonomic? And she was like, I don't really know. Yeah, it's just something I said.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so she would go out there and like do coffee and lunches and just be like, Isn't this pretty? Like that's right. I remember when Bridget. Yeah. So that's why I wasn't dragging Bridget, it was just kind of like that's that's reps, you know, they have to kind of BS. And then you know, there's times where like especially these reps that get presented with official CEUs, um, which sometimes get dropped in their lap very last minute, either by their manufacturer organs or an organization. And so it's like, here's the CEU. Oh, by the way, you need to present this tomorrow. Yeah. And so it's kind of a sharp curve to go in and confidently present something that they may not even understand it. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And that's that is a script that you're given. There's a set script, you can't, you're not supposed to deviate from it. Right, right. And and then yeah, if there's questions at the end, you're screwed. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Well, no, I mean, and that's when I appreciate a rep coming in and being like, listen. And telling, like, saying that, like, hey, this is my first time presenting the CEU or whatever the case is, like they dropped into my lap yesterday, but I have to do this. And at that point, I'm like, okay. So that's the where the confidence thing, like where you come in overly confident and just like go with it, and I'm sitting there going, what?

SPEAKER_01

I think that's also that is new rep versus a rep that's been in the industry for a while. Yeah. Where if you know you get asked a question, I'm perfectly comfortable going, you know, I don't know, but I'll I'll I'll find out and I'll get back to you. Whereas I think if you're new, you feel this pressure of like, I need to know the answer. So I'm gonna hear I think it's I think it's this is what it is. This is the answer, even if you don't know the answer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Do you feel that on the design side too? Like if a client asks you a question?

SPEAKER_06

Yes, I've had to learn that too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. To be like, I will get back to you.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that it's okay. And I think they definitely appreciate that instead of because the worst thing is to backtrack on what you said. Right. Like, by the way, and then just have a list.

SPEAKER_02

What I told you a week ago was BS. Right. BS. I I lied to your face.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You know who's not a BSer? Bridget? Bridget.

SPEAKER_06

You know, Bridget, I remember when she first started. Oh my gosh, y'all. And Chad and I are laughing with my sort of main players. Oh, because I love Bridget and I don't want her to think this episode is me trashing her.

SPEAKER_02

She's not gonna think that. If anything, she's gonna cut my check and then we'll be good again. Specify Mannington.

SPEAKER_01

As long as we keep saying that, she'll be fine.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Well, she's grown a lot in a great way. Like I could I just remember her starting and then, you know, where she is now. I think she's oh for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's kind of any any kind of newness. But yeah, I mean you you would hope that that would be a revs progression.

SPEAKER_06

But I'm like weirdly in my career where I'm I have those like mo I remember when you started, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Because you've been around a while. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04

It'll be 10 years.

SPEAKER_01

Next year. This year.

SPEAKER_02

June 1st. Oh, yeah, yeah. June 1st. Coming up. That was 26th. That was your start date. Yeah. And look at you, now you're an associate.

SPEAKER_07

Oh, blog.

SPEAKER_02

Got it in there. Yep. Yeah. Funny. You're kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_01

Side stories like my younger brother worked for our rep firm at one point years ago. And so we were all going to Neocon except for him. He was staying back. And so he was in charge of the office. And it didn't know much, but it was just kind of like, it's okay. Just let people know, hey, I don't know the answer, but I'll get back to you. Yeah. And so, and just to tell you how long ago this was, um, we got back and there was a fax cover sheet that so that we'd see this fax cover sheet. What's that? Yeah, right? So I had to say it. Sorry, sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. But he had written the cover sheet said, sorry, I'm a part-time untrained employee. Yeah, we're like, what did you write?

SPEAKER_05

Maybe that was too honest. Yeah, I was gonna say yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Maybe he needs to learn how to be us just a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. A little bit. Spring to a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Again, the the instructions were just it's okay not to know. Just say, hey, you know, I um I don't know. Let me look it up and I'll I'll get back to you. And he took it to heart. They have not trained.

SPEAKER_06

Full send, as the kiddos say.

SPEAKER_02

The kiddos say full send now?

SPEAKER_06

I don't know. I'm just making that up. I mean that's a thing, but probably not.

SPEAKER_01

In regards to faxes, I think, is what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_02

Full send.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. I was about to ask you to use because you're you're a you're a cool gal, right? For sure. You're very fashion forward. You, you know, you can't.

SPEAKER_06

Good thing there's video not happening right now.

SPEAKER_02

You're cool. You're cool. Okay. You're so cool. Yeah, it's like, where is he going with his own? Yeah, I'm waiting. About every episode, almost every episode, I get a like.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, my facial expression isn't saying that you're not cool. I'm just not sure what he's doing. Oh me, which happens.

SPEAKER_02

Well, now I realize that this isn't gonna go well for me, but I'm gonna continue down the path. Love this. Do you still consider yourself cool? Hmm. Because I feel like that you could have gone into fashion design if that had been presented to you.

SPEAKER_06

My eyes are really big right now. Um They're not that big.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, compared to have you seen my face? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05

No. I don't think that.

SPEAKER_02

No?

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Well, then that didn't go anywhere. Well she could still be cool and not be into fashion design. True, fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Well, I think it's just because I don't think I'm very fashionable now. Maybe if I thought, I mean if I chose that path, maybe. Okay, I'll backtrack. I can kind of see it a little bit, yeah. But now I'm not, I can't keep up with all the fashion trends. I don't think I should be wearing what's fashionable right now either.

SPEAKER_02

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_06

Like it's very like baggy pants, low rise, crop. That ain't me. And I don't want to try and be that just to say I am.

SPEAKER_02

Well you could do the out the low rise.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Aaron's got some cool baggy, baggy pants now. Yeah, I guess I'm just trying to say like sambas, which is great. I wore sambas when I was in sixth grade.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm trying to say like fashion trends aren't always meant for every person.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Are there any specific tools? No, is that bold?

SPEAKER_02

Is that a bold statement? I've got jokes there.

SPEAKER_01

I'm trying to like, are there any specific tools or software that you find particularly useful in Europe?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, do you want me to really answer that question? Sure, you would just get us back on track. Okay. Um Revit, SketchUp, Inkscape. I'm forgetting something. Bluebeam.

SPEAKER_01

Wi-Fi?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, Wi-Fi. That's a big one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, we can't function without Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_07

Are you kidding? She wrote it. She wrote it down. Oh, you didn't. That's it. Yeah. You really need that.

SPEAKER_02

You wrote down Wi-Fi. Listen, listen. I guess it is a tool. Listen. Okay. Well, we need to. Just imagine.

SPEAKER_06

Hang on a second. Just imagine. If the Wi-Fi goes out at work, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, it's true. Like if the electricity goes out, everyone is like, well, I'm done working.

SPEAKER_06

Everything's connected. It's all on the cloud. Whatever. You know? Nothing's working.

SPEAKER_02

I get it. Email? It's just a very like weird answer? No, no. Fashion forward answer.

SPEAKER_03

Fashion forward answer.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, here we go. That is such a cool answer. It's a cool answer. It's a cool answer. Next after Wi-Fi, you should have written building. The look I just got.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with my guests.

SPEAKER_06

What?

SPEAKER_02

Well, you need a building to work in.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's what I meant. An office.

SPEAKER_06

That's not technology, though.

SPEAKER_02

Fair. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

See what I have to work in. Still aren't. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02

This year is off to a great start. This is not Mark's year. Don't manifest that. 2026 is going to be the year of Mark Griffo. Oh, boy. And y'all too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Thank you for including us.

SPEAKER_02

It's going to be the year of all of us, except for Bridget from Mannington. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05

We can't get away from it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We shouldn't have done that. Specify Mannington. All right. Anytime we say that, anything bad about her, just throw that in there. All right. We are 51 minutes in, 52 minutes in. Is that good? Yeah, that means we're switching to rapid fire. Oh, oh. Questions.

SPEAKER_06

Darn.

SPEAKER_01

I'm not good at this. That's why I said that. Okay. Do you want me to start? Or do you want to go? Oh gosh. We only ask five each. Okay. She just saw Mark's.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, my famous, my famous multi-page.

SPEAKER_06

That's not just for me. Like you didn't think of all those questions.

SPEAKER_02

No, this is actually it's funny you mentioned that because we talk about this on the last episode where Chad writes five questions specific for the guests. And I've just been collecting questions now for I'm intentional.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And Marcus.

SPEAKER_02

And Marcus. This time though, I was intentional with my questions. And so these are 50 questions for you.

SPEAKER_06

Lovely.

SPEAKER_02

I am bullshitting. These are my same 50 questions that I've been collecting. But I do have I will kick us off. If you were not an interior designer, what would you be?

SPEAKER_06

A fashion designer. Sorry I had to say it.

SPEAKER_02

The snark on your face, too.

SPEAKER_06

A ballerina.

SPEAKER_02

A ballerina. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Did you dance? Oh, didn't that? No, she never danced.

SPEAKER_02

Nope. Just thought I could do it. Two things. One, funny. Number two, is that's not an unfair response question because some people would be like, I would want to be an astronaut. Have you ever been an astronaut?

SPEAKER_01

No.

SPEAKER_06

No, I don't want to be one of those.

SPEAKER_01

No, but you would also you would be into the sciences and there would there would be some other thing to it. You wouldn't throw out I love how what I'm thinking. We'll see. I was almost going to be a nurse. 2026 is going to be rough. It's going to be it's going to be great.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so Ballerina, what's your question, Chad? No more follow-ups.

SPEAKER_05

No, those are fun. Do you have next?

SPEAKER_01

Do you have a New Year's resolution? If so, will you share it? If you don't have one or unwilling to share, can you make one up? Do you get all that?

SPEAKER_06

Yep. See, these are the questions I fear.

SPEAKER_01

Oh.

SPEAKER_06

Do I have a New Year's resolution?

SPEAKER_01

Um If you haven't thought about it, this makes something up.

SPEAKER_06

I do want to um paint something either for myself or for a friend. I haven't had I haven't I used to do that a lot, so um I just want to get back into that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

You know what would make my year great.

SPEAKER_06

If I painted you something.

SPEAKER_01

Correct.

SPEAKER_06

I'll think about it.

SPEAKER_01

I want a painting of a three-legged cat.

SPEAKER_06

Oh. Well, you create art. I just feel like I can't do something for you, but for Mark, I will create a Mannington sign to hang in his office.

SPEAKER_01

It's in and it says Bridget is awesome.

SPEAKER_06

Uh-huh, for sure. Just as a little reminder. Anywho.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, great. Anyway, next question. Are you a kill the spider or a catch and release person?

SPEAKER_06

I am neither.

SPEAKER_01

She catches it, takes it outside, and kills it.

SPEAKER_06

I don't get near it.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay. Yeah. Is that where Joe David comes in?

SPEAKER_06

Yes. I had to, um, there was a wasp in our house and Joe David wasn't there. And it was by my nightstand. And so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna be brave. And I'm gonna I'm gonna kill it. And so I had a hospital visit later.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I was like Almost. It was like broken lamp later.

SPEAKER_06

I had I grabbed a pillow. Well, first I grabbed our um electric leaf blower because I was gonna try and put something on the end so it was like a long stick so I could just, you know. Yeah, my husband gave me the same leaf.

SPEAKER_01

You try to blow it out of the house?

SPEAKER_06

No, I was gonna put like a coaster on the end so that I could like it was like a long stick and I could just that didn't work. So I was like, you know what, I'll just get a pillow. Hey, be nice. Um, so I got a pillow and I got really close and I threw the pillow and I turned around to run, and I hit my shin on the corner of our bed, wood frame. Okay, okay. And I fell down to the ground and I was like, I should have just gotten stung.

SPEAKER_01

Did you actually kill the wasp?

SPEAKER_06

No, it didn't even move. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It didn't even move.

SPEAKER_02

It felt sorry for you. It was on the wall.

SPEAKER_06

It stayed there the whole time until Joe David got home. I was like, screw this, I'm out. Huh?

SPEAKER_02

Was it already dead?

SPEAKER_01

No, it was very much alive. Its shoulder was shattered, but otherwise it was fine.

SPEAKER_06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

Usually a pillow is.

SPEAKER_02

So did you go to sleep in the bedroom with the wasp there?

SPEAKER_06

No, that was like during the day. So it was like several hours later, I just closed the door and I said, as I'm like crying, because my shin is I think I'm about to have to go to the ER.

SPEAKER_01

Um and this is why you need to take care of the she was saying to her husband, this is why you take care of the insects. Correct. Yep. Because this is what happens if I try to. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06

Yes. And he just kind of rolled his eyes. So it's fine. I deserved it. But anywho.

SPEAKER_02

That was a longer answer than I was expecting. That just recently happened.

SPEAKER_01

So good good story. Other than killing insects, what are you sneaky good at? Don't you have any talents that people wouldn't know? Fashion design.

SPEAKER_05

Um people say I'm good at cornhole.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. People say. That's the word on the street. Okay. Are you good at cornhole?

SPEAKER_06

Um, I think I'm okay.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Like people want me on their team. Okay. Does that count?

SPEAKER_02

The last time you played cornhole were you with Meryl, and she was terrible.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I don't know if I'd say that.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I would, and I can say that. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I think so. What was that for again? I don't know. It was the IDA.

SPEAKER_02

It was it uh uh what was Cahaba? Uh-huh. Not Cahaba. Uh Ghost Train. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's whatever's gone now.

SPEAKER_02

Ghost Train.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. I think so. Cornhole.

SPEAKER_02

All right, okay. So you're gonna cornhole. Awesome. Um what is the strangest item you have in your car right now?

SPEAKER_06

I have nutcrackers in there.

SPEAKER_01

How many? Two. Okay. One for you, one for a guest.

SPEAKER_06

No, they're both for me.

SPEAKER_02

But they were originally for me and you, and then this podcast just went off a railway. Yep, and she's gonna get towards later, though.

SPEAKER_01

Y'all get a gift. Happy New Year, everybody. What are you currently streaming or binge watching?

SPEAKER_06

Ooh. Um I don't know. Is this embarrassing? I'm watching Emily in Paris right now. The new season just came out.

SPEAKER_02

I've never seen it, but it's a really famous show, so I don't know why it would be embarrassing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I don't either. I don't know why I said that.

SPEAKER_01

Um be more confident. Dang it. Check back in eight more years.

SPEAKER_07

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

Which is when we'll have you back.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, episode 73. Yeah, should be good.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so we should tell everybody that originally so two things here.

SPEAKER_07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

W first, uh I'm I made the mistake of I don't know why. I don't know why. But the look, again, I'm being the look. Uh I don't know why. I assume that you did not have any interest in being on the podcast at all. Um and this this goes back like you know what assuming does. Over a year. Yes. Okay. Just try to do that. I do. Okay. Would you like to tell the viewers? Everyone knows. Everyone knows. Everyone knows.

SPEAKER_06

Remember, I don't cuss.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. You're such a lady. Yep. Pinky's up. Yeah, so uh I assume that you did not want to be on the podcast. And then I can't actually can't remember how I got corrected. Because I don't think I got corrected directly by you. I think I got corrected maybe.

SPEAKER_06

It was in person.

SPEAKER_02

It was? Okay.

SPEAKER_06

I was direct and I was very confident.

SPEAKER_01

And this was the date.

SPEAKER_02

It was June 14th.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, see, I don't remember when I told you.

SPEAKER_02

But you remember that you told me. Yep. And that's when our friendship took a turn for the worst.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, so you wanted to be on, but you were not being asked. You were not being asked. Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. And so then when when we unearthed this fact where it was revealed to me, then you said, Well, I will be on episode 73 because that's my favorite number. Correct. And this is not episode 73.

SPEAKER_06

No, it's like 48.

SPEAKER_01

It might be 48, but I could make it. I can type whatever I want to.

SPEAKER_06

Put in parentheses 73.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. We make the graphics. We make the rules here on this podcast.

SPEAKER_06

Ooh, let's make the graphic like that, with like pictures of my animals and like me. And then they'll really want to listen, right?

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06

I should be in marketing.

SPEAKER_02

I think Lauren Taylor's might have gotten a lot of listens on top of her being spot because of the blurred out image of her daughters. For sure.

SPEAKER_05

I'm like, what's this about? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Talk about towing the line on professionalism. But you know, it was perfect.

SPEAKER_01

Pictures.

SPEAKER_02

And Sammy.

SPEAKER_06

And me.

SPEAKER_02

And you. Okay. Do you have a group photo with all of you?

SPEAKER_05

I was just thinking that. Let me check.

SPEAKER_02

If not, you have, you know, weekend A of 10 days aroundabouts where I'm doing my math wrong. And she's a graphic designer. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Don't put that pressure on me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Maybe I can get a group pick.

SPEAKER_02

If you do if you can get a group pick, send it to me. Okay. Otherwise, I'm just going to use a headshot. Boring. With you in something very fashionable.

SPEAKER_01

Is it my turn or your turn?

SPEAKER_02

It's Chad's. I I I can't remember. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

If you could choose a superpower, what would it be?

SPEAKER_06

To remember things.

SPEAKER_01

It's a good memory.

SPEAKER_06

Yep.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

If you could choose a superpower, what would it be? Kidding. That was a joke. It was not funny.

SPEAKER_07

Me and Chad are looking at each other like, who is this guy? Why is he here?

SPEAKER_02

It's the end of the year. Uh-huh. It's the beginning of the year. Um if you could design the answer to this question is not a bookcase. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

This will make sense after I read the question.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

If you could design a space with a secret passageway, how would you hide the entrance?

SPEAKER_01

Bookcase.

SPEAKER_02

Wrong.

SPEAKER_07

Why can't it be a bookcase? Everyone would say that.

SPEAKER_02

They're just like, oh, I'd be a bookcase.

SPEAKER_06

And you're creating a. Like, how would I hide it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Just make it a I don't know. Like a portrait of me.

SPEAKER_01

A sign that says this is not a secret passageway. Exactly. With all my animals. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Get him out of here.

SPEAKER_01

Alright, so uh January 1st, this probably will have already been won, but currently, as of December 22nd, the Powerball is up to 1.6 billion. If you were to win, what would you do with that money?

SPEAKER_06

That's a lot of money. That is a lot of money. Um I would hire an attorney first. Because that would get crazy, right? Right. Um I don't know. I think classic, like give stuff to my family, give to charity.

SPEAKER_01

What would be a kind of guilty purchase? Like just for you, where you're like, okay, this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_06

A blacked-out Lambo.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

That's really a Camaro.

SPEAKER_06

Ew, no. A real true blacked-out Lambo, Matt.

SPEAKER_02

Do you not remember this? Because you need a good one.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my gosh. We're not bringing up that story.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Alright. We will, though.

SPEAKER_06

No, we're not.

SPEAKER_01

We're not.

SPEAKER_05

Inside joke. Ha ha. Move on.

SPEAKER_01

Alright, well, that concludes the podcast. Thanks everyone. Oh, really? We're ending it on that?

SPEAKER_02

I can tell the story. It's a good story.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, I won't tell the story.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, we'll end on that. Mary Claire thought uh uh a blacked-out Camaro was a Lamborghini.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, well I was sitting not in a seat in a car, and I couldn't see. It was true.

SPEAKER_02

So you're now adding, you're telling it in a way that makes people ask more questions.

SPEAKER_06

Whatever.

SPEAKER_02

It was an IDA retreat. Oh my gosh. And I can't remember, were we in Atlanta or Huntsville? Atlanta. Atlanta, yeah. And I missed that one. And we were, yeah, you weren't, yeah, I don't think you were there. And we were, we had gone out to dinner and then out for drinks after dinner. And then we were getting a Uber.

SPEAKER_01

A black Camaro, and she said that's the car. If I want a bunch of money, that's what I was gonna do.

SPEAKER_02

We had gotten an Uber and we were riding back to the hotel, but it was one of these Ubers where like, you know, we all piled in and Mary Claire sat in the basically in the console. And was so it was to be fair to everyone, she's looking at it. Thank you. Right. So she was very low, and it was dark, and this car you know went ripping by us, you know, how they do not fast, but just loud. They don't go that fast. Yeah, and uh and Mary, are you kicking me or is that just I want to maybe she's like keep going. The number of times early in our relationship, mine and Aaron's, where she would kick me under the table and I would be like, Are you kicking me? And then she would get so mad at me.

SPEAKER_07

Yes, because you're not supposed to say it out loud. That's the whole point.

SPEAKER_02

I thought it would be funny, and then now she doesn't kick me. I don't make that joke. Anyway, and he hasn't learned. So you're low, you can't really see, it's dark. Anyway, da-da-da-da. And this car goes by, and Mary Claire was like, Cool, cool Lambeau. And I was in the front seat, passenger, so I could see very clearly. And I was like, that's good.

SPEAKER_06

Some things you'll never live down. Just don't do it in front of Mark because I'll never forget.

SPEAKER_01

Chad will end on something better. Yeah, yeah. I just before we conclude, uh, wanted to see if anyone else wanted to say anything about Bridget before we go. Any more for part I ending remarks about Bridget and before we go.

SPEAKER_02

I think Bridget is a great rep.

SPEAKER_06

Wow. Mark, I didn't think it was gonna end on you, so you it can end on you.

SPEAKER_02

You're the guy. And then you screwed it up by saying something nice.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, so then you messed up my whole mojo.

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's a it's a new year, it's a new me.

SPEAKER_06

Oh wow, okay. It took how many minutes?

SPEAKER_01

An hour and seven. So sixty-seven minutes. Dang. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

What a great turnaround. Bridget's awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Bridget's awesome. All right, so uh we do end our podcast with an AI generated song. I don't know if you've got an AI generated song. No, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. Classic, me. Since it's um, can I say another word?

SPEAKER_06

Sorry. Yeah. Will it generate from this what we're doing right now? Did you put in the word swag?

SPEAKER_01

You want swag? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, I gotta tell you, sorry, I'm interrupting.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you're getting ahead of it. I've had you. She knows, she knows. So what what genre song would you like?

SPEAKER_06

Um rap.

SPEAKER_01

Rap.

SPEAKER_02

My other rapid fire was gonna be what is your personal theme song? You're making a face. I actually feel like that was a good question for you.

SPEAKER_06

No, it is a good question. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Well, because you looked at me like I was an idiot. People can't see that. All they hear is silence. And I see the side. They can feel it. Yeah, they can feel it. They got the vibe, yeah. But it's actually a good question for you. Don't lie.

SPEAKER_06

For me, a theme song? What would you think? He's about to make me one.

SPEAKER_01

Then it's gonna be this. It'll be this. I I want to change it up a little bit. Usually I could three words, right? Is usually what I ask for. Three random words. But instead, I want to come up with what should the course be? Oh. A whole like just a yeah, just a sentence or a phrase. And we could we could brainstorm together.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I was gonna go with that's a Camaro. Not a Lambo.

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna write it down. Just you know, to get it.

SPEAKER_02

Just again, I mean, you gotta go over something better.

SPEAKER_06

Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01

Do you remember? Mm-hmm. That's okay. The time?

SPEAKER_06

Just in general.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06

That was part of the episode. Me remembering anything you asked me. And I didn't.

SPEAKER_01

So we got swag that's a Camaro. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_06

Oh, this is gonna be tragic.

SPEAKER_02

That could be the next. This is gonna be tragic. No, don't put that. We gotta put out good vibes for 2026. Remember? Yeah. This is gonna be awesome. Yeah, this is a yeah, kick off the year.

SPEAKER_06

Ooh, throw Sammy in there. Because then Sammy Warnoff will be like, is this about me? Or a cat?

SPEAKER_02

Typical Sammy. Is this about me?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, okay. I'm trying to think. Like, uh, throw Sammy. Just that throw that that's the sentence, throw Sammy in there.

SPEAKER_02

Throw throw Sammy. People are never gonna make it to the song at this rate.

SPEAKER_01

Right. All right. I think I've got enough to figure something out.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, there's really good content.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. All over this podcast. So good. So good. Thank you so much for coming on.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, anytime, guys.

SPEAKER_01

And happy 2026 to everybody.

SPEAKER_02

Episode 73.

SPEAKER_06

For sure.

SPEAKER_02

For sure. Yeah, thanks for coming on the show.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02

Happy 2026. More out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. New year, same crew. All in design. To the Alabama. Alabama 2026. Let's do. Let's do. New Year clock in. Let the speaker slap. All in design with a brand new rap. Eric step in. Interior flame. Got face, got vision. Yes, she's changing the game. Talking flow, talking feel, talking wide connect. Our space tells story before anyone speaks next. She point out the window. This is that a lamb up. Mark, laugh, click like that's the camera. Laughs in the room, Mr. Mr. Stay tight. Design is not free, get the future looks right. Do we end in the deep? No drag. No bag. What do you got to square out?