Episode #57 - Interview with Jenine Kilgore

Join us on this episode of All-In Design, as we speak with Jenine Kilgore, owner of Gallery Services Collaborative. Jenine has been a strong supporter of IIDA and Gallery Services has hosted many of our local chapter's industry events (just a quick shout out). For anyone that knows Jenine, they would not be surprised that this is a free flowing conversation - one that goes from her history and the history of Gallery Services, to her sons already planning what they will take when she passes, to how her company can work with a client in a myriad of ways. It's a fun conversation full of laughs and we hope you'll give it a listen. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:10

From the Plus recording studios for IIDA Alabama, this is All in Design. Hello and welcome to All in Design, IIDA Alabama's podcast. Thank you for listening. My name is Chad Moore here with my co-host Mark Griffo. Hey everybody. And I am very excited about having the guest that we have on today. I think we're all kind of on a spectrum of give and take. There's some people that some people that that you know you you interact with them and you feel like you've lost something. You get, you know, you're exhausted. They're takers. They're takers. And then there's others that are givers, and this is this is one that's truly a giver, where every time I interact with this person, I always leave the conversation either laughing or with more energy or thinking about something. So I'm interested to see where this conversation goes today. So if you'll introduce today's.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

That might be the nicest introduction that you've given.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

I'm setting her up to fail.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

Yeah, there we go. Uh yeah, no, that was actually a really, really great intro. So I'm just gonna move things along and say that we're excited to have Janine. Full stop, just pause for effects. Queen Janine. Um Queen Janine. Um I asked her how she wanted me to introduce her earlier, and she just said, just just Janine. That's all people need to know. But yes, it's Janine from Gallery Services Collaborative. We will get into that as well. So welcome, Janine. We're so glad to have you. Say hey.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

So excited to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Were you surprised to get the invite?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

You've been on the list for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Well, well, what does that mean? Fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

I'm not in charge of the list, and I also am like, why is it what what does that mean exactly?

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Moving right along.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Moving right along. Well, because you are, you know, for the folks that don't know Janine, she is the owner of Gallery Services Collaborative here in Birmingham. Um, and you have been, as it relates to IIDA and the design industry here, you have been very involved for a very long time. And we're not gonna start this show by giving you too many accolades, but Chad is right that you are uh very sweet and and very generous with your time and this your business's space. We host a lot of events at your space on a regular basis. And then that's all I'm gonna say that's really nice, and I'm just gonna stop talking and well I can take over then.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Yeah, it's all you.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

The mics, the floor is yours. Well, first of all, we're gonna turn our mics off.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Anyone has ever used sweet to describe me. Yeah, I didn't say sweet. Oh, fair. I'll take it back. Retracted, we'll beep that out. We probably can think of another. Or a saccharine. Yeah. Saccharin. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, we love um that's probably one of my favorite things looking back on all the years is the relationship with IIDA. It's always been there, and we've always felt like in our industry, as you know, we have to be kind of like Switzerland. And IIDA was just always so easy, and we loved hosting because we got to see all our friends and clients. And it was just it was always fun and it was easy. And I just it's just it's just good it's good for our business because we don't do a lot of marketing per se. We don't call on does you know A and D like other reps do.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

You host events and make them come to you?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Well, I'm just yeah, just you know, I mean we just we just don't carry stuff with us around and it was always our marketing thing. So and it was just fun. And I you know, life is too short not to have fun.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

So I don't like how you're using past tense. Oh no, the grammar Nazis. Okay. That time is now over. Okay. I and me. Um how did you get into the position you're in now?

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Well, well.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Where are you from?

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Oh, I was gonna say also tell people for the people who may not know what Gallery Services Collaborative is. Well, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Let's give let's give 10 questions and then you can talk about the order that you want.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

All right, well, first of all, I think it's really interesting because I think everybody is is is a you know, the we're who we who we were raised by, where we grew up, all of that matters. It all matters. I was raised by a World War II Marine. Okay, he was older having us, and a nurse.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

These are your parents.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

My parents, let me clarify. My parents, I grew up um in a little area called Possum Bend, which is right outside Camden, Alabama, which is south central Alabama, south of Selma, north of Monroville, in the middle of nowhere, Woolcox County. And it was a house my grandfather built out after the turn of the century. So I grew up in a very rural area by fabulous workers worked. If there's a right way to make your bed, yes, sir, there is. Yes. And my mother was a nurse in a rural area, so I got to see that side of it. She was the go-to. She would go to their houses and she would take care of the people who couldn't get to the little hospital there. You know what I mean? So I grew up I grew up with workers and people who cared. You know, and we worked. We had cows. We had to, we worked. It was just part of your life. So I think that's why me and all my siblings are, we are all workers. We all grew up.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

How many siblings?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

I am one of four.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

And I'm in the middle of the bottom three.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

All right.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

We were a good Catholic family. Yeah, I have an older brother, and then there's three of us. I'm the third, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

That's an easier way to say that.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

No, but I'm saying we're like a tribute. Okay. And so there was that.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

And so I went to um I'm not the first, I'm not the second, I'm not the first one. I'm in the middle of the bottom three.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

I'm the I'm the mediator. You know, I'm the family, you know, that person. And so I went to Troy when I graduated from uh high school in the year of our Lord 1980. Went to Troy because it was close by. I know I noticed uh June 18th, is that right?

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah. We're gonna get to that later too.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

And uh so Battle of the Brushes.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Okay, plus my birthday. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

And so I went to Troy for two years, and then I moved to Birmingham because my roommate at the time decided she wanted to go to nursing school and she goes, Hey, do you want to move to Birmingham? And I said, Sure. So I moved to Birmingham and went to UAB for six years. And then um Are you a doctor? No, I'm not. I actually, and I'm not proud of this, I'm just gonna say it. I have eight years of college and no degree. I am really good at school. Okay. I mean, I am good at everything.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

And probably know lots about lots of different things.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

I was a nursing major, an accounting major, a pre-med major. I did it all. I love corporate finance, I love history, I love it all. I'm good on trivia night. Um so I went to that's what you went UAB, and then I started working, um, I worked at a frame of mine at Brookwood Mall for um when it was uh when Chick-fil-A was right there in the corner a long time ago. Anyway. I worked for the man who Greg Groover became partners with with designer framing, which was over on Citation Court down from where Crawford's was. Oh yeah. And so I um Greg came in there because I was a hustler, you know, I was getting stuff done, you know. A worker at twenty-five. Yeah, at twenty-five. I was working, I was getting it done, going to school, working a couple of part-time jobs. And he goes, Hey, um, we're closing this store. You know, can you type? And I go, Yeah, I can type. I couldn't type a lick. Right. I lied, straight up lied. Straight up lied with me. She's not sweet. No. You know, typed a letter to my dad and said, Hey, papa, is what we called him, papa. I'm typing this to you instead of writing because I lied to this guy and told him I could type. So I'm trying to practice true story. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

And then so I'm just Did he have did your dad have a response to that? I think when you He loved it.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

He was he had a horrible mouth. I didn't realize those were cuss words. I just thought that everybody started. I thought the beginning of every sentence was G D something. Yeah. And I didn't know. So therefore, I have a little bit of a sailor's mouth. Not to Tracy Ingalls, but I do have shots fired the ability to do that. Yeah. So yeah, and so I came to work for Greg in uh 1987. And so it'll be 40 years.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

And that was still citation court?

SPEAKER_00 8:03

It was citation court, designer framing, and then we moved over to where um the cycle shop is where Lumbar and all that is on the corner over there at Pepper Place. Yeah, real close to where you're at. And then we bought the building where we are now and moved into there, which has been about 20 years, I guess. I don't can't keep up with the numbers.

SPEAKER_06 8:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Yeah. And then when we moved to the new building, that's when Greg did the logo with the little man.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Right, that you love.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

That I love that logo. Love it so much.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

I actually do like that logo.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just remember seeing Greg at the Met one year and he was leaning into a painting. We used to go to New York every year to buy art for the gallery, and we'd go to the Met at the moment, take in whatever, and buy art at the Javitts Center. And Greg was leaning into a painting, getting as close as he could to see it, you know, because he wanted to see how it was done. And this man goes, Excuse me, sir, excuse me, can you stop breathing on the art? And it just owned me. So then anyway, so anyway.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

So the logo is is him breathing on the art. I think it is. That's not what he says anymore. That's what she sees. Yeah. That's what I see. Yeah. And then Rorschach test. Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

And then now Yeah, um, I bought the company uh December of 2024. Yeah, 2024. Okay. Still going. Yeah, it's still cool. Still going. Yeah, Greg retired, and um I bought the company and we changed it to Gallery Services Collaborative about six months ago because it's always bugged me a little bit. Because people would call gallery services and they didn't really have a good idea what we did. We are collaborators. Our business has always been with designers and architects and furniture dealers. That's who our clients are. And so it's always been collaborative. And I really wanted to to speak to that. So that was kind of that was fun to to to do that.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

And then when did the logo change?

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Uh about s it's been a we haven't really done a big push. About six months ago.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Okay. Yeah, because we had um Night at the Races there last week, and I had the old logo up on the sh screen. Yeah. And Crenshaw came up and was like, uh, if you need a copy of our new logo, just let me know.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Who Crenshaw sounds like. Me. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

And now I didn't say back to him because I was busy at the moment. It's like, well, I did check your website and it was the old logo, and I checked out. I think I checked something else. Yeah. So I was kind of like, I checked a couple sources and was like, it's still up. So that's the one I've got.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

So that's on you back at Crenshaw.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

And Crenshaw's one of your sons.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

He is my oldest son. He he wants to say he's my favorite in front of people, and it really bugs me because he's not.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Do you I was gonna ask you if you wanted to set the record straight?

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Yes, no, Kate Augustus Kilgore is his little brother. Okay. He's the favorite.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Okay, yeah. Right now. Does Crenshaw have a chance to become the favorite? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I I will tell my children. I've got I've got four, which I know I've mentioned before, but I will say, you are my favorite child right now. But it's always the right now. It can change within a minute. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Absolutely. I love them.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

And I will also tell them I was like, you are not my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

That's fine. We don't we, you know, Aaron and I don't have children, and we famously have the two cats, but Aaron will get on to me and she'd be like, you know, you really need to give Ernest more attention. And I'm like, I give him attention all the time. I don't give him the same kind of attention that I give dollars. Don't you think it's cute that he's talking about his cats and we're talking about real people? Yeah, it's what we Yeah, I'm not a really a cat person. I could go on if you guys, I don't know. Where are you guys going? Yeah. It's just me, folks.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

You know, are you a dog person?

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Um I I've had cats my whole life. I know we had some really cool cats, but I'm a dog person. I have a really big dog right now. Too big. I shouldn't have gotten him, but I did.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

How big? What are we talking here?

SPEAKER_00 11:45

He's uh he's big. He's he's he's not he's not heavy, he's just really big and tall.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

People think he looks like a I just want to make it known she did a hand gesture. I'm sorry. That nobody that listened to me.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

He he weighs 65 pounds, but he's just and she's she's uh she's a wildly creative woman, and the only thing she's come up with is big and tall. Well, he's heavy. As opposed to like what kind of dog.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

His mom was a labradoodle. She got out, and she had multiple friends. You made a face, like she got out. She got out of the house. That sounds like it wasn't the first time. He's a rescue, so he's a mutt.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

He came from a broken home.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Yes, he did. And he has um siblings, but and we see some of his siblings, but he's awesome. He's the smartest dog I've ever had. Literally the smartest dog I've ever had.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Where does he rank amongst your children?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Well, if you ask them, um, he he's he's a close two and a half.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Like if you put him into the mix, he'd be he'd be above Crenshaw.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

No, he's a dog. I did grow up on a farm, so I do understand that. He's a dog. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

He'll get put down if he misbehaves. I'm one of those. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. No, I can tell you're looking to make this very seriously.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

It's aggressively, it's just like an air.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Does he even have it? Because you could you, you know, you're talking about a farm, and I I've had friends that have farms, have working farms now, and so they raise chicken, chickens, and rabbits and goats and stuff like that. And they are very um direct with their kids in terms of like it's on you if you want to name this animal. But here's what may happen.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

If you name it, regardless of whether you name it. Sorry, it's on you. And I just noticed you haven't actually said your dog's name.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Winston Howell the Third. Winston Howell the Third. Okay. My maiden name is Howell.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

And I was gonna say the reason that she hadn't named it, because she hadn't named it yet, because they may put it down. They may put it down. Winston, we're wishing the best for you.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah. He's a good dog. Yeah, I love I love my children and my my job. Yeah, I love everything.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Yeah, it's interesting. When you before you have children and you have pets, they are your children. You talk about them like your children until you have children, and then you quickly realize that that is a dog or that's a cat. And if that dog wakes up, that baby, I will kill that dog. That's when it's that's when it switches in your head. Yeah. That's when the dog really becomes a dog. Yes. Yes, it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Yeah. So that's kind of the brief.

SPEAKER_03 14:06

Were any of your um mini majors that you're going after related to art in any way?

SPEAKER_00 14:11

No. I am the only person at Gallery Services that does not have a creative background or degree. And I think that was the success of Gallery Services when Greg and I were growing and building the company. I think that Greg is an artist, turn businessman, and had some really great ideas on how to service the design community. And I and that I was practical, numbers, I I do well with numbers, uh, floor plans, budgets, pricing. I'm gifted in that, but I also am creative and I see things. Like I see, when I look at a wall, I see a shape, or I see I see shapes in art on a wall. And I so I'm creative like that. And when I I did one of those studies where you do the brain study, left brain, right brain. I am one of the I'm a I'm a split down the middle of the room.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Your brain. Yeah, I'm a dead center as well.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

And so it's been really good. So it was really good all these years because we've got a lot of creative people that work at gallery services. We have people that have been there 25 years, 17 years, 15 years. We have a really strong core group there. Right. And they're all creatives. And I don't call the people in production, they're not framers. They're they're like craftsmen.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

They're like, they are.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

They're they're not picture framers, they're so talented.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Yeah. Well, for the people that that don't know, and as a reminder for the people who do know or think they do, why don't you talk a little bit about what Gallery Services Collaborative does?

unknown 15:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

We are our gifting is commercial artwork. And that includes, you know, VA work, healthcare, any kind of commercial work. We do a little bit of residential with a few residential designers, but by and large we do commercial artwork and we go, I like to say it like this we will insert ourselves anywhere in the process you need us to. We can help you at the beginning establish a budget. We can help you mark up floor plans, we can help you establish a vision, or you can bring that to us and we help you fulfill your vision. So we are we can do anywhere along that path. We control our product completely. I feel so bad for some of the furniture people because they can't control sometimes what happens on their product. I have almost a hundred percent control of my product. I can zig and zag, we can modify and feet right there at the gallery. And so, you know, and then we deliver and install everything. We go all over, primarily the southeast, but we travel anywhere in the country.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

You know, mostly 2D work, or do you guys get into 3D work as well?

SPEAKER_00 16:45

We get into some 3D work. We've started doing all the wall vinyls and stuff, and we do some sculpture, wall sculptures. We don't do a lot of floor-mounted sculptures. We don't have pedestal stuff. Not a lot of that, no. And we do some ceiling work, but not a lot. It just right it hadn't it hadn't hadn't come across.

SPEAKER_06 17:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Um but what I feel like one of the things we do really, really well is that we can, like I said, we can move in where you need us. Like some architects or designers love art and they want to handle it and you know, hold it and do it. And then we come in and we support that, we help them source it, we provide it, we deliver it and install it. Other people are a little intimidated by art, which is I get that. And so they're just like, oh, what do you you know, and so then we go in and go, hey, this is based on this, let's do this. Let me help you with the floor plan. We help them figure out where to put the art, what size it needs to be, what medium it needs to be, what kind of budget do you have? Oh, you don't have a budget? What? Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

This has never happened before. You're the first one.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Can we please get the art budget in there at the beginning of a project? Yes. Then you can cut it out. Then you can remove it.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Then all the art turns then all the actual art turns into prints.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, yeah, or yeah, but you know, at least get it in there. Get people thinking about it. Because, you know, way before people were talking about evidence-based design and you know, nature and healing, I was talking about how does that make you feel? It's the same thing. Right. You know, we were doing artwork, and I was, you know, I remember this law firm we went into, and they were wanting us to help them with these deposition rooms, and one of them was supposed to be in a hostile environment. I kid you not. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

So they wanted the artwork to be intimidating.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

The chairs were uncomfortable. Right. The room, the temperature was always off for whatever it was.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

So kind of like kind of like this room.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Yes. These chairs, what's with these chairs?

SPEAKER_02 18:41

I did I did turn the uh the AC down like six degrees about an hour ago, just because this room and it's one of its adjacent rooms gets a little toasty when the door gets closed and people get in here and start yapping.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah, but we've we've had people before be like, is it hot in here? Like, yes, it's by design. We want you to be uncomfortable the entire time we're talking to you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

So that's fun. And so just being able to, you know, if that's what you want, you want some uncomfortable art, I'm your girl.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

So is it has it always been that way, or has this been an evolution from like initially like was framing?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Oh, it's very much an evolution. Yeah. Yeah, when when we first started working, our primary product was poster art. Lots of poster art. Lots of matted and framed poster art. You know, I can imagine in the year of our lore 1987. Um what was what was the you know industry like? You know, it was poster art, you know, and so we would mat and frame and you know, do that kind of stuff. And then the evolution of the G Clay came out and people started printing and doing things like that. And then especially when we moved to the new space where we are now, is where we started really, you know, carrying um works on paper and original art and doing more of that.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Is that because you have the gallery part of the yeah?

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Partly so. Even across the street, we would buy original art in New York and um and bring it down and do stuff like that. And we've been a bit I I feel like one of the things I've done well is to include try to get more local art, more regional artists in there, and trying to grow that side of the company because there's a lot of really, really good art and artists in the area.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Here, here. One of them's right here.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Yeah. Oh, that's right. I got you there. Oh hey, Chad, segue. Yes. And so, yeah, that's been a it's been an evolution, you know. And very few people buy posters anymore. And even the people don't print them anymore. The companies don't even do that anymore. They print as needed now.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

That's so they like when you go on a college campus at the start of the semester, they're not having the poster sale where everybody's getting the same, like Janice Joplin or Doris poster.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Or the cat, the French cat poster. Yes. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Ah, maybe. I don't I haven't been on a college campus until I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Oh, that's right. Yeah, this fall. Yep. Yeah, yeah. I'll keep an eye out, let you know. I'll report back. Okay, report back. Report back. Yeah. And then if you need that poster framed.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

And she doesn't do that anymore. Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

She's not gonna turn away this. We do it all. We don't hardly ever say no. And I've gotten in trouble for that too. My team is like, what do you mean? How are we gonna do that? We can't we what I don't know. I told them we would do it. Y'all can figure it out. Right. Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

You've been doing this for 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 21:20

Figure it out. So who I mean, okay, so say a designer comes in and has a project, they're maybe they've got a vision in mind to a degree, like it they've got kind of an idea, but they're not really sure what that is yet.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Is it you that meets with them and really goes through it, or do you have somebody else that we have um we have a Lexi who works with us, who's been there the longest. We have Julia that helps with projects, and they've kind of gotten their own little pro their their um companies they work before. And then um we have Lauren who just started, and then Crenshaw helps with uh one project. But uh most of the time, Crenshaw gets one project easy. They can only handle one at a time. It's a very specific project and he does really well with it. But um no, what happens is uh you ask a lot of questions. You know, I always ask, well, who's your who is this for? Is this for clients or is this for your staff? You know, and I know when you're looking at health care, we do a lot of health care, which has been a big, big, big part of our business because we're in Birmingham and there's so much health care here. And it used to be bank business back when we had all the banks here, and we don't have those anymore. But the health care isn't just for the patient, it's for the staff too. You know, and having a mother as a nurse, I'm very sensitive to that because you know, it's not just how does it make the patient feel, it's like how does the staff feel? They're there all day.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

They're gonna be living with it all the time.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Yes, and they're the ones interacting with the patients and interacting with the family of the patients, and and you know, how does what does that environment look like? And so I love that part of it. I really, really love that part. I do a lot of questions, I ask a lot of questions. Who is it for? You know, um, and then we start, do you have a budget? You know, and then where do we start? Where do you spend your money? You spend it where you, you know, it's the most impactful, right? You know, and so it's just the normal stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

And I really get excited when we can work with a company that has a good robust marketing plan or a program because they already have good stuff. And so art can tell a story. And so if you've got a company that is invested in all this marketing, cool lines and mission statements, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. You just kind of take that and make it art. You know, because why waste an opportunity to tell a story or make somebody feel a certain way? That's the thing.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

So you'll take something that they've already created and put a spin on it.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

If we can. Some people say yes you can, some people say no, you cannot. But we can add to it, incorporate it in part of the package, we can um use especially words, we can, you know, build on their marketing, print their marketing, or do an inclusive, you know, story with that.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

It's very effective.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Do you have a favorite project that you worked on?

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Recently? Either I mean recently or just in general. A couple, yeah, a couple.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

One was uh I want the project from uh in the year of our Lord uh '93.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

1993, I'd say. So that would have been that probably would have been one of the big regions projects we were doing back in 93. They were they were growing and you know, going and blowing. But back to Marx's question. Everybody talks about it. You know, we were very fortunate to have two really big healthcare projects just come out of Birmingham. And they both got national recognition, and we were very blessed to be a part of both of those. Ver different projects, but the same idea. Like, you know, the Cooper Green project, it was every part of the design, the building, everything about it was intentional. Who are the people using this facility? Period. How do we speak to that? How do we make them feel good? How do they feel welcome? You know, just don't be cheap. You know, they're not used to having nice, let's give them nice things, you know. And that was a huge win. And that project in particular stretched me a little bit because the um the leads on that were very creative. And that always I like it when I have people around me that are creative because then I get to be more creative, then I get to think about other things, and it helps me think about you know, doing different things and how can we make that different and what can we do?

SPEAKER_03 25:37

We've had both of the leads on the podcast before.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah, I was gonna say you can call out uh uh Sammy Waranoff and it and especially in terms of stretching, um Aaron Griffo.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

That's the one that's the one and I love that, and I'm not intimidated by that. That I like it. Yeah, I like it. And then the other one was UAB Medwest. Yep. And I want the the brilliant job, the brilliance behind that project was the owner loved art, he refused to let anybody touch the art budget. You know, I didn't he did not care if you're over budget with furniture. And um, no, he figured out. You know, he would not let them touch the art budget. And they let me to a certain degree do my job.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Nice, yeah. That's nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

And that's you don't see that. And they also they designed that to be community related. You see what I'm saying? They're in a underprivileged area of town, some would say. And they um designed it to where they could have markets on the weekends out in the they designed the parking lot to where they could have, you know, uh food trucks and have community events there, and it was just designed for the community. And so again, that's really you're thinking about who you who who are who are we serving.

SPEAKER_06 26:52

Yep, right.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

You know, that and then one of the a fun project I really enjoyed doing was um with Williams and Blackstock, we did the uh the Vulcan Materials project. I mean, that was crazy because of the amazing art collection that Vulcan Materials has. And I got to see that, touch it, help curate it, be around art like that. Just I was just having a moment. Just loved it. Right here in Birmingham.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah, you know, good old Birmingham.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Love that.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

I've I've got two questions that have popped up in my head. First one is uh Cooper Green and the big uh quilts kind of um installation. Yes. Can you walk through what that was like?

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Painful.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

That was also painful for me, but I'll let the guests speak.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

No, but it was it was a great idea. And that goes back to how do we get this done? You know, we had Aaron had in the timeline. In the timeline, and you know, getting that image just right and figuring out how do we do this, how do we apply it, how do we make it healthcare grade, safe, because that's a big part of healthcare. We have to make sure it's meets all the requirements for that. And it again, it was just so different. And even the art that was selected, you know, spoke to the community. It goes back to how does it make you feel. You know, people walking in there could relate to it.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

You know, if something's not relatable, I mean I love abstract I love abstract art, but i it that's not health care to me. Do you know what I mean? It's not how does it make you feel? Right. I love it. In certain situations, it's fantastic. Yeah. But you know, not not for that.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Yeah, you just yeah, that was that was really cool. Like so I have the perspective of you know being married to the to the brain behind that one. And you know, for the people who don't know that the original Cooper Green, there's a story of the quilt, and the the theme of the quilt ran through the whole project when they when they did um the new Cooper Green space. And so part of that was gonna be a very big focal point, quilted piece of art, now whatever that looked like at the time. And and you and I, Chad, and we know very well because by the time they were landing that plane, I think Aaron maybe slept like you know, nine hours and in two weeks or something, just absolutely insane bananas. And Janine, you were intimately involved in all of this too, because while Gresham, Aaron and Sammy are producing this thing, literally coming together in this just weeks. Crashing all their computers, crashing their computers and just weeks moments of just like fever it feverish and furied inspiration that that that through some divine intervention came out wonderfully. Now you and your team have to figure out how are we gonna produce it, install it by the timeline.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

By the time that day, that we were there that night. It was the 11th hour.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

Yeah. So I remember I mean we had a meeting here, I think I don't I can't remember if it was might have been an ITES meeting. I think it was an IT's meeting. Yeah, and they were talking about it, and they still didn't have anything for that wall yet. Yep. And they were talking about, you know, this we've got this state, we've got people showing up, what are we gonna put on the wall? And I remember like, yeah, could you project something on it? And they're like, oh, maybe we could project something on there for you know that's a thing. Yeah. But then within that short time frame.

SPEAKER_06 30:15

It was a very short time frame.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Yeah. That uh that you guys pulled that off was just absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

So talk about talk about then we'll talk just a little bit more about the quilt, but as as it relates to you and your team and like what y'all produce, because it's it's a lot of stuff that's glued together and mounted together. There's 2D, there's three D pieces of plexi.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Well, it was the it was the the the the challenge was um getting the half-inch acrylic to properly adhere and line up to uh an image that was behind it that was the same image and replicated it. And it it it it it was just a matter of us. We had to just we put Luon plywood on mini stretcher bars, stretch the image over it, and then we had to make sure all of the triangle and uh acrylics floated on top of it where it was designed to go and in the field. Because normally when we attach acrylic down to a piece, it's um flat. But we couldn't do that because of the way the application had to be done. So most of the pieces had to be attached while it was vertical. And so you don't have that that um the the the curing time. It's just different. We had to make sure we had all the product we had to test to make sure we had the right, you know, product to attach it to and all that.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

It was a learning curve for us too, and it was really tight timeline.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Really, really tight. But I mean like a per I mean that's what you see when you first walked in the door.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Yes, and it was such a blessing, such a great project to do that. And another and Medwest was just phenomenal just because the sheer scale of it and the fact that we had a really fantastic budget and we had got original art, local artist. We leaned into the flora and fauna of this area. It was just so much fun. Right. And we worked really hard to do that.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Do you have a uh a robust um relidex of artists that you just that you just I have some artists that I just love to work with and I have some that I have to work with.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

And you know, you know what I mean? And it's like I, you know, I've got some. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? So yeah, we've got to probably yeah. And so we have people we can reach out to, and I have people in the industry that I really respect and like, and I'll call them and say, hey, I need a piece of da-da-da. Who do you have anybody in mind? And then we we collaborate on that kind of stuff too. Um another fun project that I think w we do good, we do a a good job doing this too, is people have existing art. And I don't think you just have to throw out everything. And we're real sensitive to budgets, again. You know, people, you know, art is not something people most people put a lot of thought into about doing it. Like we did a project, it was another KPS job, and it was a big law firm, and they had decent art they bought 20 years ago. You know, they invested in it, but then some of it was just tired.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

Hold on, let me get Janine's vote.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

No, that's time for a special question. That's from one of my offset.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

It's our call-in.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

This is one of my kids, it comes through, they're one of the ice calls. It was my youngest son, and I just hung up on him because I hope it wasn't important. Um, and so it was um they had decent art. And I went in there and said, hey, yeah, and they were like real defensive about their art. And I'm like, Yeah, I I'm not saying you don't have good art, I'm just saying that it needs to be reframed and updated. If you'll take the time and take that mat and that frame off of this, absolutely so doing that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 33:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

You know, yeah, we can reuse your stuff. Some of it's bad, some of it's post-art, we'll throw it away. And just letting people know that they can reuse their stuff. We can help them reuse their stuff, especially if this nice or they don't have a good budget.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

You know?

SPEAKER_02 33:48

And rethink how they use it. That's right. Move it around. Because it's not just mats and frames, it's how are you pairing things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

And what is the story? It goes back to that story thing. I think people just miss they don't understand the opportunity that you have to tell a story with your art. Or how does it make you feel? Or for wayfinding. Oh my goodness. Oh, yeah. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

That's a whole other thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Like there are a lot of the healthcare, we do not put artwork down certain hallways because we do not want people going down there. We only put artwork in the hallways where we want people.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

They take that artwork from that one law firm where they wanted people to feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

I think we take a look. No, that's not good.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

That may be the direction, but we don't want to get down there.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

And get shocked or something little. I've always loved that, you know, like the idea of being able to zap people, you know what I mean? Like get their attention. Come on, come on. Come on. Zap zap.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

You sorry. This this just reminds me. I went to a rodeo when I was younger, um, somebody who worked at Gresham many, many years ago, and they were like herding the cattle into the corral or whatever, I don't know the right terms. And they had cattle prods.

SPEAKER_06 35:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Right. Yeah, little two, three, two, three foot long cattle prods. But the all the all the cowboys were going buzz-buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz. And what it was is that the cows were so trained that if they got hit with it, like it was gonna zap them, that they actually had stopped doing that. They could just hear the noise and they would just the cowboys would just go buzz buzz with their mouths with their mouths, and they would just So I'm I'm just throwing out ideas maybe for however you want to.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Yeah, you just say buzz buzz out loud. Buzz buzz buzz buzz. Well, it's like elephants when they they put the chain around its leg when it's really young and it can't break the chain. Yeah. But then once it's full adult, they put a little rope, they put a little rules. It's still it's easily break through, but it doesn't think it can because yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

That's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Buzz buzz. Yeah. Got some good ideas. So maybe yeah, maybe uh bringing cattle prods back, but like tone tone it down a little bit, but you can just zap people. Is that what you or you want something remote?

SPEAKER_00 35:56

I just I know.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

And it's just for your kids?

SPEAKER_00 36:00

No, no, I just think just people and some people in general. Just people in general. Some people in general just need to be hey, hey, hey, come on.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Like in grocery stores.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

Get out of my pay attention to your surroundings.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Yes. What is that about?

SPEAKER_03 36:12

I don't know. It drives me crazy. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Just it's a lack of awareness that people have of other people too.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Come on.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

They would pay more attention to the people around them if the people around them had cattle prods. This is true. Zip zip zap. I'm glad that we're onto something here. Buzz buzz. All right. So the other question I thought about was what does what kind of artwork do you collect for your own home?

SPEAKER_00 36:35

I have only things that evoke a an emotion in me. Everything I have is very different. I've got antique pieces, I've got contemporary pieces, I've got an abstract piece, I got a figurative piece, I have multi- you know, mixed medium pieces. Everything in my house means something to me. And I have some really snarky friends, and they they're like, you got so much stuff in your house. I said, you point to anything in my house, I can tell you the story behind it. Nothing in here is random. Everything both my parents have passed away. And so I have lots of their stuff. And I grew up in a very um generationally the generation of people talked about their family, their grandparents with what they did. You know, my grandfather was with, you know, did the CC camps when Roosevelt was doing all that. We have lots of tangible and oral history, and it's part of my home. And I love that. And I have lots of mixed-match furniture, nothing matches, everything is just collected. It's not designed by any by any stretch. I have antique mirrors that I um obsessed with. Turn of the century gold layered mirror, you know, frames were layered on top of each other to create those monster frames that you see in museums. That's just not one piece of wood. That's like eight.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

You know? I have things like that that I love.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

If you have a piece of art that doesn't spark joy, to quote Marie Kondo, do you get rid of it? Do you Yeah, I'll never have it.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Like I have a piece of the gallery I really want to bring home is some grapes that I found rolled up after I bought the company. I found them. And they're the most probably the best piece of art right now in the gallery, to my in my opinion. And um, but it's very specific.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

Was it sitting out? Yes, like it's the grapes. Yeah, the grapes. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

And I want them for my house, but if I took it home, I'd have to take down something else, and I'm just not ready.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Wow. No wall space.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Yeah, I have a lot of windows indoors.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

So you like the grapes, but doesn't have a store yet, or I I don't I don't want to have to I have to take down this mirror that I love. All right.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

But Crenshaw's getting that mirror when I die. So I could go ahead and get into it now. Both of my children have gone through their house. Everything's labeled who's getting it when I die. Not that I'm dying anytime soon. Right.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

Yeah, because before we started recording, you were talking about books.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Oh yeah, we're book we're book nerds. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

And that your family everyone reads and love books, and you give first edition uh copies to your children for you know Christmas and that sort of thing. But that one of them has already like claimed books for when you die.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Yeah, Ca Crenshaw doesn't know it yet. Okay. Cape has already asked for most of the books in the house, which of course I can't give them all to Cape because that wouldn't be.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

If he's the favorite at the time that you go, that's fair, you could.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

You just have to kind of update that will in real time. I just um just have a will with like multiple checks and then like who at the end has the most check marks is the favorite in that moment. And that last check is like the the scrawl of life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Well, speaking of that, it's well it goes back to people who collect art and then they want it when they want to give it to their kids and the kids don't want it. You know, that happens a lot.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

Yeah. And so again, having more than just it's gotta have a story. You know, when you go to a museum, I like reading the story. I am that person. I want to hear about that artist. I want to know why they paint that. We took the we got to go to Barcelona and we took the the boys I took the boys to the Moreau Museum there. And I mean, his art was kind of some of it was really tragic and really uh he burned some pieces, had them in the floor, and he because he was put into exile, if I'm not mistaken, you know, during the war, and he was just so you gotta know why. What's the why behind that piece of art?

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I felt that it's funny that you mentioned Barcelona because I felt that in Mad I think it was in Madrid, but it was a um uh not Gaudi, god now his name, I'm gonna forget his name, but famous um Spanish painter. Um that before the Spanish Civil War, to me, historically, all his paintings were very boring because it was all of the aristocracy. And then when the Spanish Civil War hit, right, it just got really Goya. That's who that's the name I'm looking for. And it all got really dark, really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

But there was a reason, there was a historical reason, a personal reason for all of that.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

You can't diminish the reason some of these famous pieces of art are famous. You know, I I was reading uh about Vermeer, there was the the milkmaid painting. I mean, he used real semi-precious stones in the blue. And so it was it was just you know, it for that for the get to get that blue color in her her apron. You know what I mean? And all of the little stuff in the background, all those little nods to stuff that you don't notice, like the tile at the bottom of the floor. And it's just I can get nerdy about that too. And I'm I love the outdoors. Give me some birds, and I have a bird app. I got a bird app, I got a bug app, I got it all.

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Can I throw out a humble brag? Uh huh. Okay, I was waiting. I was when I was wanting her to say yes. So there's about 27, 29 like claimed known vermeers in the world.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

I've hung two of them. Stop. One of the last shows that I did when I worked at the Birmingham Museum of Art, I was an art installer for three years, was a uh traveling show called Small Treasures.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

They let you hang it. They let me hang it. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

And it was about 30 or 35 pieces, and two of them were vermeers. It was a traveling show that had because all the when these tra when these shows travel, it's there's there's there's usually a curator at an institution who has put the show together. But the pieces could come from all over the United States or all over the world.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Right. And and there were two vermeers in that show, and and I hung and lit both of them.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

See, that's you, you know, you you you we talked about standing next to greatness, you know, sometimes you just want to, but I've got to. I've been waiting for this moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

She's not talking about you. Oh no. Oh, you meant the vermeers. Oh, yeah, that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

There is a uh yeah, so that was but but even why when Vulcan was doing their big renovation over there, yeah, they it took a year. They they had they had such quality artwork and important art pieces that it was on loan to our museum temporarily. And they even kept one of the pieces afterwards to fulfill that collection they had put together to you know, fit that bone. And I just think it's tremendous. And I think exposure, you know, go take your children, you know, drag them to the museums, take expose them. Travel is one of the most wonderful things you can do for your children and for you.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. We were just at an event this past weekend, and a a friend of mine's parent had passed away, but they talked about that they would go visit. Um, the parent had lived in Paris for a while, and they would go visit Paris. Um, and his his thing was that you know one of the things I wanted to do when my kids were young was travel with them so that they from an early, early age could see the how big the world was, and that this bubble that we live in, wherever you are, is is a small little bubble, and there's so much more to see out there. So that all there's all this possibility. It's not just where you are.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Well, even for people who don't have a budget, because I grew up in a very impossible you know, real poor part of the country. You can go to places, even in just here in Alabama. I don't think people truly appreciate the di the biodiversity we have, the ecological systems we have. Our waterways are fantastic. I mean, we have glow worms in the Dismal Canyon. They're only here in New Zealand. Come on, go see the glow worms, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

It's wild.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

And people should go to like and I'm not being sarcastic, they should go to Wilcox County. Get out get out of Jeff City.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

That is where Gee's Ben is, if you do if you didn't know. That is where Gee's bin quilters are.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Speak back to quilts.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Right, right. Nice, nice. Yeah. So it's has have your children spoken for the art pieces? Yes. Okay. Yes. Are there any that aren't spoken? Because I'm curious if you have to do that. Do you want to add to those? Can I swing by sometime?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

But yeah, they've spoken from I it was very important for me that when I pass away that my children don't fight over anything.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

So it's all it's all.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

Because I have I have thought we've got this one large John Lottle Wilson piece. Yeah. That is a family portrait. And so I had him, I had him painted. Stop. But it's it's his it's his style. So it's it's two robots, two giant robots. That's my wife and I. Yeah, it is. And then four monkeys climbing all over us. And so and the kids know which monkey's theirs. They've all we've all been like, that's that's your dad, that's your mom, there's you know the red monkey's fin. You know, so there's everyone but I do wonder, like, once we pass if if that people are like, eh, I don't want that. How big is it? Oh gosh. Um I'm trying to think. Uh it's probably three feet wide by five feet tall, something tall. So it's a piece. It's yeah, it's it's it's on the landing, not this it's the stairs. You go up and just the big piece and then you go up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

That's so cool.

unknown 45:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

I mean, my thing, doing art festivals, most of my art are artists I know. Yeah. Which is fun. So that's part of the story, is that you know that you know the person that made it.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Aaron and I try to buy a piece of art every place that we go when we travel.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

Right. Yeah, that which is great. Yeah. Because I mean, you that's something that we've we've done before as well. Like when we were on our honeymoon, we were um it was when we were at Quebec City, it was like, well, we'll do a piece of art from and same thing, you know, as we travel, we try to do that as well.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

I think too, I tell young people, buy one piece a year. Just buy one piece you love a year. And I say, go to the local art festivals here. We have here. We have wonderful art here. Yeah. Buy one piece a year that you love, and you'll always love it.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

Yeah. So my medium is taking pictures of toys, and so often kids are in my booth. And I had a a local teacher bring her entire class to my booth. This was at Magic City Art Connection, and to look at and so I made like small versions of one of the prints to give to all the kids. So they had in and my thing to them was like, okay, whenever you go to an art festival, you have to leave with a piece of art. So I'm starting you off with you've got your first piece of art going to an art festival. When you go to an art festival, you have to leave with a piece of art. It can be a sticker, you don't have to spend much money, it can be a tiny little thing, but always leave with something.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

What was the image?

SPEAKER_03 47:10

It was um Charlie Brown in um uh in a pile of salt, and it was called salted peanut. Nice. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

We have several Chad Moore originals. And we have several things that you have framed.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Absolutely we do that.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

That we have brought to you for your expertise and creativity.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Again, you it until you appreciate what the possibilities are. I mean, you framing is an art.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

You know, and I think that again, one of the things I ask people when they come in, I don't get to do as much of that as I used to just because of the nature of our business. But um I I ask people when I'm looking at a painting on the table where we're designing the framing, I say, What's your favorite part? And they'll point to an aspect in the art. Well then that's what the framing needs to bring out. Is it the light? Is it the moody part? Is it that color? Do you see what I'm saying? So if that's your favorite piece of why why do you love this piece of art, then we need to frame it to sing that song.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

Right. Yeah, because that's always tricky. Like whenever, you know, if you're doing Michaels or Hobby Lobby frames or whatever. But it's like, okay, what what color and how thick and what's it look like? And uh yeah, I mean I don't even know where to begin.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Well, and the thing is we're not the cheapest framers in town, and we don't want to be. Right. It's not what we do. You know, the I saw the triangle one time, and I'm not I hope I get it right, but you know, it's a triangle, and I'm holding my hands up, everybody. You know, you can have it fast, you can have it good, or you can have it quick. You can only have two of those at any g at any given time. You can even you know, you can't have all that, right? You know, so you gotta decide what you want.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

You can get you can have a line then. You can have a line, but not a triangle. You can have a line, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

Yeah, you can have a line. But you know, and uh, and I love framing. I think framing is fantastic. And I think sometimes people come in and they want to reframe something that belonged to their grandparents, and I'm just I try every if the frame is cool, because frames are there are artist pieces that are just as valuable because they have the frame on it. Right collector pieces. Yeah. And I said, and I go, You sure you don't want this frame? You know, you just frame this. This is frame was this was the original frame on this. You can look at the back of it, look how they and they go, No, no, no, it looks ugly. And I go, Can I have it?

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Because you're I I have a friend who when they go to thrift shops around Alabama will intentionally look for like the super, super inexpensive Auburn football poster or Alabama football poster or some UAB basketball poster from 20 years ago that somebody's just trying to get rid of. And I remember the first time she was telling me this, I was like, but you don't even like sports. I was like, What are you doing? And she goes, Because you go these places and people don't realize that this poster that used to mean something to someone in their family or a friend or whatever was put in a very expensive frame. And you go these places and they're selling the poster for 10 bucks when the frame is very valuable.

SPEAKER_06 50:09

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

Yeah. And so she's going and Facebook marketplace, because uh you know you'll see m monster frames on there for like 30 bucks. Yeah. And uh and there was when we had a loft downtown, one of the uh tenants left and there there was a storage space and they left this huge gold frame, you know, just swirling, you know, just really ornate frame. And you know, I asked, was like, Do you want this? And she's like, No, you can have it. And so we again do art festivals, and I thought it would be really funny to just pick a ridiculous image and get it printed on canvas and stick it in this really ornate gold frame. And so I did and sold it immediately. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Look at the back of it and see how it was made. You know what I mean? That's I'm a I I'll flip a chair over, I'll flip a I'll pull a drawer out on a piece of furniture and look, look how it was made. Yeah, it's fun. We and the other thing I really want to make sure that I talk about is how important my team is to me. I cannot. I'm gonna start crying because um they're fabulous. I couldn't do it without them.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

Well, the fact that you've you said it earlier, the fact that some of them have been there so long. So I mean, that's like that's it, that's a real testament. I mean, that people have been there that long. Are any of them artists?

SPEAKER_00 51:26

Um, they do, they all have some art. Robert Wasson is probably he he actively pursues art um and as part of what he does. He's also in a band, you know what I mean? So there's just a creative flow through there. Several of them are are m musicians in their homes. Do you see what I mean? And they all do something, they all make something. Some of them draw, some of them make things. Um the um Lexi and them are, you know, they're they're graphic artists.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Right. Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. It was when you were talking about all the different graphics. You've got to have graphic artists on staff.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Yes, and they're um very and we have everybody, and it not all the time, everybody gets along.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

Yeah, yeah. So it's a family atmosphere.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Yeah, we fight like a family sometimes, but it's just it's so important to me because I'm a very I'm a kind of a nurturing, motherling kind, you know. I know I I want to know and I know what's going on with your family. I can tell from your face something's off. What's off? What's going on? You know, what's going on? You know what I mean? It's just important to me. I I I I can't imagine working somewhere where I don't know the people on my team.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Right. Has it been a joy having Crenshaw come on the team?

SPEAKER_00 52:42

Absolutely. He makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

I knew I knew that was actually a safe question because we're working together and he makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

You know, at the end of the day, I'm not gonna have a tombstone because I want to be cremated, but if I had one, you know, it would be like, you know, uh I love to laugh and my boys make me laugh. They make me laugh. They're funny. They're snorkeling.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

What's your other son do?

SPEAKER_00 53:02

Cape works for UAB in his their um purchasing department.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

How did he get his name?

SPEAKER_00 53:07

They're all family names. Cape Augustus is family names, Cape Augustus. Yeah, Cape Augustus and Joseph Crenshaw.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

They're like where'd the dog's name come from?

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Winston. I'm a huge fan of Churchill. Okay, okay, and um, and I'm a big fan of Gilligan's Island, so Winston Howell III.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

Oh my god, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

I did when she said Howell, Gilgan's Island's the first thing. That was the first thing was Thurston Howell. Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

You start out being Pumba and then Moses, and then I finally settled on Winston, and then once I said Winston, it just came to me. Yeah. He's he's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

All right, we're we're about ready for rapid fire. It's gone by fast.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Yeah. We didn't even get into like crazy talking stuff because we talked some crazy stuff before we pressed record. Um I've already forgotten what it was, but I just remember looking at Janine and being like, Is there anything before we get into rapid fire?

SPEAKER_03 53:58

Is there anything else you want to cover?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Um no, I don't think so. I just think um I think everybody just needs to have fun. You know?

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Should we should before we get into rapid fire, should we talk about uh Night at the Races, which we just had, which was hosted at Gallery Services, and then Battle of the Brushes. And then Battle of the Brushes, which is coming up.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Yeah, that was a good event. Yeah, Night at the Races. It felt good.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

Big thanks to Gallery Services for being our hosts. That makes that a huge relief. It really is. Thanks to Chad for uh taking the reins on making that happen. What? What did I say?

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Rains. Reigns. Taking the reins.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

Yeah, it's a horse theme. Oh, totally went over my head. I was like, oh at first I thought you were laughing, like, oh yeah. I thought you were like, oh, so Chad did a great job. I'm like, he did.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

He did it.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Sorry, sorry. Yeah, it was a great event. I was really, really happy. The energy was fantastic. Yeah. Everybody had such a good time.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

They did. And it was funny because I mean, I think both starting the day, both of us were like, ugh. Like we were both tired starting the day.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Were you had a big day the next day?

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Yeah, and that but then by the end of the night, we're like, woo! And it which just shows, you know, you get you get people together. Um, you know, it's it's just being around people you like.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

All the fun reps were there. Everybody's just it was good.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

Yeah, yeah. So for the people who didn't make it this year.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

They need to come back now. No need to come back. Man, y'all missed it.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

No need to come back. It was fun. It's a great event and it's for a good cause and raised a bunch of money. Yay.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

And then um pedal it brushes is on you said on your birthday? It is it is on my birthday. It's on your birthday.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

It is on my birthday, so just remember that when you show up to the event.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Taking gifts if people bring gifts.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I won't say no.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

I won't I won't say no. I'm pretty pretty shameless. Um, but yeah, so on June 18th. That's gonna be another fun one.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

They're growing that one. It's gonna be bigger than it was before.

SPEAKER_02 55:53

Yeah, so this is the second time that IEA Alabama has done Battle of the Brushes.

SPEAKER_03 55:57

It's an every other year event. And we had it the first time we had it uh two years ago. It was we kind of were trying to we were making it. I mean it was it was from scratch, we made it up. Oh much fun. Yeah, and uh people were kind of upset that we weren't having it again like the next year. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

So that was it was like every other year's good. Right. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

But I think people enjoyed it so much they were like, when are we doing that again? Yeah, it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

So how would we describe it to the people who have not yet registered to attend or participate?

SPEAKER_03 56:26

I mean, there's there's teams, so sponsor there's a sponsor that kind of has a team, they get different people. I think I think it randomly gets assigned. You show up, if you're gonna be a painter, you get randomly assigned to a team. And then I believe, and again, I'm not on the committee for it, but I think there's a theme to the event which you don't know going in. Yep. Um, and then you might be given like a kind of a random thing to include in your painting, maybe. That was at least we did that was two years ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

So it's a live painting event.

SPEAKER_00 56:53

Yes, and there's teams and there's a theme, and then there's some random things you have to include, and there's gonna be some surprise things you have to do. And um I I forgot how the company is even more than I know.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Yeah, and then at the end, I can't remember if they're auctioned off or you vote on them, and it's I know that like two years ago we we did vote, there were little palms that we you go around, you'd put which ones you thought were your favorite, and then you could purchase additional since it is a fundraiser. Yep. Uh you could purchase additional if you really liked one. Um and then I think, yeah, I think you could potentially buy the painting or I'm not sure. Can you remember? I think we did do that actually. Yeah, it was fun though. It was a lot of fun. Maybe we should have had somebody on that knows how this particular thing works.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Check it out on the I idea website. Um, I think, don't quote me on this at this point in time. I think most of the teams there may be a team sponsorship. So, like, I will say that you know, uh uh I know that uh Bridget uh with Mannington, like they're sponsoring a team. Yeah, there's a business interior's a sponsor sponsor team.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Every team has a sponsor, and then um they from there they put the designers that want to participate, are assigned to the teams, and I think there you can maybe get somebody if you know them, like you maybe you get one person you may know, but most people will know. Firms won't be together, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:10

They'll separate firms out, and so it's everybody gets to know each other and so it's a live event and that that you know very little before you you go in.

SPEAKER_03 58:18

Right, so there's not pre-planning. Uh-huh. Yep. Right. It's a surprise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:21

They haven't even told me. It's just fine.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:24

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

Great.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Anyway, that's June 18th. Yeah. So check that out.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

So my birthday. Right. Yeah. Very important. Very important. It's Mark's birthday party.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Well, you know, if they're gonna have an IIDA event on my birthday, it's their fault. I'm not gonna be shy about it. You know, and it's a big one. Yeah. It's it's not. You know, 46.

unknown 58:46

You're 46.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Yeah, thanks. Oh my gosh, you're 46. Yeah. Wow.

unknown 58:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

We'll be 46.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

You're the youngest person in the room. I am the youngest person in the room.

unknown 58:55

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

Okay, anyway, enough about Battle of the Barches.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

And your birthday. And my birthday. All right. So um you want me to go first? You want to go first? Yeah, you go first. All right. What are your thoughts on the Boy Scouts?

SPEAKER_00 59:08

I used to be a member and I was a leader, and I am I removed my um sponsorship of them.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

Okay. Oh, so used to be a big supporter, but no home.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

Huge supporter. Both my sons are Eagle Scouts.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Right. Oh, way to go, guys. Um what's the most unnecessary purchase you've made recently?

SPEAKER_00 59:27

Um some vitamins I bought. Some like Timu? Like what are you? It's not FBA approved, I can tell them. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it was stupid. Too much money, stupid. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

What is the largest piece of art that you've ever had to install?

SPEAKER_00 59:48

Um probably that Cooper Green piece, if you think of it as one piece, that would be the largest piece we've ever installed.

SPEAKER_06 59:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

But I'm working on a large installation that's going to be a two-story stairwell piece that's going to be huge if we can pull that off. Okay. We will pull that off. But yeah. What do you mean? Behind me, Satan.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

Can't wait to get my behind me, Satan. Um I love it. Um, if your life had a theme song, what would it be? You're grinning.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

I almost did deliverance, but I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:26

No, no, no, no, no. I grew up in such a horrible area.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:29

I'm thinking about that sometimes. I used to have a client that I go to this, I'd be like, I could behave. I can go to corporate America and behave. I had a client that took me into an executive office at this building, and she knew me really, really well. And we were talking, and she goes, I can't believe you grew up on a dirt road. And I went, What in the world? How did that even have to come out of this? What relevance is that? She's trying to put me on blast. I don't know. I'm not really a music person so much. I don't know the band and who the married the band and who the wife was to the drummer. Some people know all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

I do not know that stuff. If you could pick out, let's say, I'm gonna narrow it at least to a f a famous piece of art that you could, you know, relate to your life. Or own, let's go with own. If you could own any piece of art.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

So this is the same question, but you've pivoted.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

Um it would, it would, gosh, it would have to be one of the masters. Like I was I'm geeking out about that vermeer that I thought I have an IF thing I follow. It's like museum explaining museum art pieces, and that Vermeer owned me. I'm still thinking about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:33

I'm sure it's affordable.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

It probably costs only a little bit more than those those pills that you bought from from Canada. Bad idea. Those kills. I can't wait to I can't wait to hear about this after we talk about it. I know exactly. Same thing. It's like tell us about what are these pills?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

How much did you spend? So, what is the oddest piece of art that you've been asked to include? Like, has there been anything you're like, really?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:58

Do you want to keep that in the uh someone a long time ago bought up brought us a coloscopy bag to frame because they survived this horrible cancer thing? And it was a true story.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:14

Wow. Was it just a replica?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

It wasn't that question. It wasn't the it was just it was so important because of the the struggle they had gone through and they wanted it as you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

I get it. One of our frame pieces of art is something that Aaron's first cousin drew for her, which is a pancreas.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

So I get it. We'll we'll find a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

It's the story. Oh, we just got through framing these huge nine grills off of trucks, which were like monster truck grills.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

Big Mac truck.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

So cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:47

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:48

Can you say where they're going?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:50

Okay. Yeah. But they were laid out all over the floor. Like so you walk into the the gallery and they're just these huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

Think about a Mac truck grill. But they're on the floor. Peter built truck grill.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

Yeah. So is that is that kind of normal? Like you get your gallery's just kind of a crazy place?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

People will bring us things that nobody else can touch.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

Because we can do it. Are we a few years ago?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

Yeah, you're not taking that to Hobby Lobby. No. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:13

Well, they may have tried. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:15

I mean, it's just the it's the mechanics behind it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

Um what's your most controversial design opinion?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

I think people over-design. I think that everything, you there's too much competition visually sometimes. I think that you in order to enjoy something, you have to have a quiet place for your eye to rest. I will not sell, I'll try not to say people want something on every wall. I can't do it. I just cannot do it. And so you have you everything can't be the star. You know? And so I really really, really spend a lot of time educating clients, young designers, anybody I can is that you have to have the star, and then you have support pieces, you know, and you can't put something on every wall. Over design, over arting, over-edging over arting.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

Over arting. I just made that up. Yeah. Overarting. You heard it here first, folks. I've overarted before. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Everything just then you don't see it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

That's my basicity. It all becomes noisy.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:28

Yes. If you could be doing anything else as a profession, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

I would be a lawyer for children's rights.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

Because I think I can argue well. And I'm definitely passionate.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

And um, so I would I would be an advocate.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Okay. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

I could probably do that anyway. I probably shouldn't have to be a lawyer to do that if I didn't do what I do. But there are advocates out there. Yeah. I get really upset when people mistreat children and old people.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

Yeah, it was funny. We were at an event, um, it was yesterday, but there was it was uh sorry, this week's life of a minute. I was at an event one time, uh yesterday, as a matter of fact. Um, but we were in these aisles and the aisle in front of us had a stroller next to the aisle. And then the aisle that I was in had my father, but had his like walker. And so it was, but they were like back to back, and it was kind of like a nice kind of bookend, you know, your little instruments to get around to.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

Don't you love the way children respond to old people? They're kind. I love watching the interaction between children and the elderly. It's starting to happen to me somehow. Is that is so you love it more? Yeah, I'm getting it, my okay, get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Um speaking of children, uh, I'm stealing Chad's. What is your uh go-to or favorite non-swear swear word?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

Or do you just let her I know I I I I it's a I've been asked to clean my mouth up by some of my team. Um, okay. Yeah, and my son. HR. Yeah. HR. Um Shoot a Monkey.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:04

Shoot a monkey. Shoot a monkey. Shoot a monkey. I like that. I like that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:07

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:10

And when you I have a follow-up question to that one real quick. Okay. Just because I'm curious.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

This one. Just took the season three. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:25

What uh in what way has your staff like told you? Like, are you just like walking around, like just you less conversation with it?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Or was there one time you said something they're all like, whoa. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

Well, I have a tendency, had, I've gotten better. Um it's just I get frustrated, and especially Crenshaw is trying to, you know, clean my mouth up. But I, Lexi, who has a two-year-old now, she I am influencing her, and therefore she's taking it home. And so I don't want it to be acceptable so that she's now she's I'm cussing more because you cuss more.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

Well, that's Lexi, you're grown. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Mama guilt is a thing. That's yeah. No I don't buy that at all. This is your fault.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

Yeah, okay. Whatever. Well, I'm just trying to have a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

No, but we no, we help each other out, though. If I'm influenced, if I'm, you know, I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

That's a good answer. Okay. Do you have a hobby?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

Yes. What is it? I just well, as far as a hobby, hobby, I um love working in the yard. I garden. I would I would love to one day be take the class and be a master gardener. I think that would be a lot of fun to do that. Um I love being outside, I love being barefooted. I love I'm a big believer in being being barefoot outside on the grass. Um, I'm an avid reader and I I love being outside. I hate housework. I would pay somebody to vacuum but not cut my grass.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

Interesting. This is your last one. If you uh you you're nervous. I have a I have a go to. Chad's list is the wild card. You never know. You never know what I have.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

His list is printed and he brings the same list every time. Yeah. I I write new questions or sometimes reuse a few, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

We both have our approaches. Yeah. Yeah. Mine is better. Yeah. It's but i I think it's because I am the one that's more likely to go off the rails than down a rabbit hole. Just in the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:34

Rabbit hole? Speaking of rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Yeah, I was like, okay, let's do it. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

The only time frame we have is what we have for ourselves. We can make this the longest episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

Oh man, oh, crazy about that. So that hole, what Janine is talking about, is the groundhogs that live in our backyard.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:55

Is it just groundhogs?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

Oh, it's everything. So I have some news, and we're just gonna see how the next months go. This is not gonna go where you think it is. No, we don't know. We actually don't know. So our backyard is between uh our backyard is butts up against to the back of Sanford University and their and their test course.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

In between that are there a couple students in a hole?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:18

Maybe, you never know. But in between that is high transmission line. Right? So Albano Power, big, the big, huge, tall. It's like the giant with like 50 feet.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:27

Now I'm scared.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:28

Just this week, Albano Power has gone out there and clear-cut the entire, I mean, we're talking 50, 40, 50 yards wide, all the way to the back edge of our lot, and that the the more famous groundhog hole is on our lot. But now behind them is literally nothing. Now there's so much garbage-invasive plants that's rooted in that that I mean by the end of summer that'll probably be at least above a foot high, maybe more, that whole area. Um but I'm just curious, kind of like what that's gonna do. And it's and it's probably a quarter of a mile long because it's that whole neighborhood.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

Have you seen have seen, I'm sure you have, but Mrs. Brisbee and the Rats of Benim. Oh, it's a great movie. Yeah. Secret of Nym. Secret of Nym, yeah, but it just made me think of like where they've got to move their thin before the clear cutting for the sake of the case, the clear cutting. I was just wondering if that was going on in your backyard.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

If people have not seen that movie, it's a fantastic movie. I watched it a while ago. Yeah. So The Secret of Nym based on the book. I actually I actually never got there. Um, if you had to give a tag to TED Talk, what would you give it on?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

I really feel like the young people, especially if they're young having children. I think they messed up in the don't give up and cheerleader for parents.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:16

So young people, old people, and parents.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:21

I'm just like I love people.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

I started the show saying you're very sweet and both of you laughed. She cares. I do care. Kind hearted.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

I am kind-hearted. Yeah, I think yeah. We need to give each other second chances.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:41

Yeah. Yeah. There's a really great uh Nick Saban clip where he talks about second chances and talking about kicking kids off teams and where that puts them. Whereas if you can train them up, they can want to win Super Bowls.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:55

Yes, and I'm a huge Auburn fan, but I love that man.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

Oh, yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:01

You cannot.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

The man is his heart is always listened to the the podcast, you know we do a custom song at the end. She's looking at me like, she doesn't make it to the end. She's like, yeah, these guys are still talking to me. So um since you're not a music person, but uh genre of music do you want it to be? I'll figure out the rest.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

The genre music would be probably um I like the 70s, I like 70s rock.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

70s rock, that'll be great.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:32

Alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:34

You got off easy with that. I mean, we asked people lyrics, we like all sorts of things. Yeah, yeah. She's like, no, no, hard pass.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:42

Read the room. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:43

Yeah.

unknown 1:12:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

Great. Thank you so much for being on. This was fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

Thanks, Janine.

unknown 1:12:47

Oh gosh, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:13

I've got back to the dog. When you go in the eye, and I'm fishing ball. Bakin face. Oh god, oh god, don't go, stand in the face, down in the eye, to the perfect, just feel five. You cannot work the fun.