Episode #62 - Interview with Haley Treadaway

Join us on this episode of All-In Design, as we speak with Haley Treadaway with Black Design Architecture. Haley has the distinction of providing us with the most hysterical answers to our pre-podcast questionnaire that we've ever received and, as you can image, that made for a fun discussion. We cover her start at Montevallo, first job at Hatcher Design, and then her moving to her current position at BDA. If you want hot takes and honest opinions on the industry, this is the episode to check out. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

From the recording studio dedicated to all things IIDA Alabama. This is All in Design. Hello and welcome to All in Design IIA Alabama's podcast. Thank you for listening. My name's Chad Moore here with my co-host Mark Griffo.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

And I am excited about who we have on today. This is uh someone I've known for a long, long time. Um my gosh. What'd she say? How long? 20 years. 20 years. 20 years. That can't be right. That sounds like an old person. Weird. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

It's weird.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yeah, so I've known this person for a long time. Great, great personality. Always fun to hang out with, so I'm looking forward to the conversation. So who do we have today, Mark? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

We're gonna say all these sweet things, and then we're gonna rake you over the court with these hard-hitting questions. Okay. Um no, I did say we we just got done talking about this. Um we've done this is 62, I think. So we've had quite a few questionnaires filled out. And when I came in today when Chad was setting up, I was like, this is by far my favorite questionnaire. Yeah. And that's not to like belittle anyone else's really great questionnaire, but one, it was filled out very thoroughly, which we appreciate. But also the voice of the person and definitely came through. Candor and the humor came through like out of the gate.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

So if she does a terrible job as we're asking questions, we'll just start with it. Just read by it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

I'm way better ahead of time, prepare.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

As but we'll read them as you. Okay, that's we'll see who can do the best um Haley Treadaway presentation. Which uh, I guess that leaves me to introduce our guest, which is Haley Treadoway. She's an interior designer at Black Design Architecture here in Birmingham. Hey Haley, what's up?

SPEAKER_05 2:09

Hi, how are you?

SPEAKER_03 2:10

We're glad to have you. Um, yeah, so I'll let you uh take it away for a minute or two. Why don't you tell the folks about yourself and whatever you whatever you want? Whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05 2:20

This is where my mind goes completely blank. Um who am I? Who are you? Who are you? Okay, I'm Hayley Treadoway. I feel like nobody probably knows me because, you know, like I'm at a small little firm and I've I'm not really a big IIDA person. That's terrible to say. I'm gonna run out of the gate with a bad thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Thank you for listening, everyone. Hope you enjoyed the episode.

SPEAKER_05 2:45

And I think it's because I had a baby, like as soon as I started working. But anyway, um, yeah, so I'm a mom of three. Um, I've been at Black Design for 13 years, and then I was at Hatcher Design before that. Hatcher Schuster now. So where where are you from? Oh, I'm from Fulton Dale, Alabama. Okay. So just like the first exit after Birmingham. Everybody's like, everybody's heard of Gardendale for some reason, but you have to go through Fultonale to get to Gardendale.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Yeah, that's what they say.

SPEAKER_05 3:15

I'm bitter about that if you can't tell. Um so yeah, Fulton Dale. Tiny little school, tiny everything. And then I just made the big leap of going 10 minutes south. Um, but I I went to school at Montevallo and um yeah, then moved back home. That's so boring. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Yeah, you're really hyped it up out of the gates, and then you're like cooldale, gardenale sucks. Um and then I moved to the city. We just lost all of our gardenale listeners. Three of them.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

But so you went to Montevallo.

SPEAKER_05 3:54

Yeah, that's not something you hear a lot from the design community for so many reasons.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

And you went for no, it wasn't interior design.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

It was interior design. As soon as I finished, they canceled the program. Like, boom, sh it's over. So that sucked, you know, for my clout, I feel. But whatever. Well, we were going through like a thing where I don't this is not even a thing now. It probably is, but like it was huge when you're in school fighter accreditation. I think it was it was something else, it turned into something else. But we didn't have that, and we were like working toward it, and all all the other great schools have it already, of course.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

So we you were you were, I guess, the best of what they had, and when you left, they thought uh they were like it can't get better.

SPEAKER_05 4:35

We might as well close the doors. Yeah. But we have been like trying to we like added all these classes and we're doing things to try to get the accreditation.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

We're in tier design.

SPEAKER_05 4:45

Oh god, not many at all. I mean, oh I don't know numbers. Fifteen? I that's like just in my classes, yeah. And you that's like just my age.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Are any of those people that you graduated with designers here in Birmingham?

SPEAKER_05 4:57

Not in Birmingham. Well, I don't know. I only like kept up with like one person.

SPEAKER_03 5:01

There's there's that one listener that's like, don't you remember? We used to study together all the time. No, there was a my college three kids, she doesn't get out anymore.

SPEAKER_05 5:12

Yeah, that's fully true. But my like college bestie is an awesome designer, but she's like she has a military husband, so she lived in Japan and now she's like in Virginia, I don't even know. But she's more residential. I don't know, she's like moved 15 times.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

She lived in Japan and now she's in Virginia.

SPEAKER_05 5:30

Yeah, she's not happy about that. She wants to go back to Japan, as you can imagine. Yeah, yeah, I get it. But anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Okay, we're we're really focused so far. Yeah. So how did you how did you find Hatcher?

SPEAKER_05 5:43

Oh god. Um, I guess just I I think I wanted to work at a design firm. Like I did I didn't have architects on my radar at all. So and there were not many. I mean there was Ray Harsh, I interned there. Um and then I interned with Rebecca. They were just kind of like my I just really wanted to, like that was my gold standard of where I wanted to be. And I went down there so many times and it was awful because I'm like an introvert and it was the worst thing I've ever had to make myself do. And then they are like, we don't have a spot. Like then you just keep getting turned down, it's the worst thing to go through. It's horrible. As um y'all know, we had to go get jobs. It's awful, it's the worst fit. And then you're like, I guess I gotta go back in a few months. But anyway, so they finally hired you.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

You just kept showing up.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

I had to like to get an internship, you know, like you keep trying to get in places. Okay, right.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

This is before email. Yeah. So you should go knock on the door.

SPEAKER_05 6:39

Just show up, it's awful.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

That's right, 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 6:41

Yeah, I know, I'm awful as hell. But yeah, so then I interned there and then they hired me right out of college, and that was like right before things got you know, right. I made it, I got a job right before the economy tank.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

So you know we've had several on where they they graduated and the economy was already and so they floundered.

SPEAKER_05 7:00

I barely made it under the door when before that. Yeah. So that was less.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

And they didn't fire you right away.

SPEAKER_05 7:06

No, well that's true too. I could have gotten canned.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

So who all was there when you were working there?

SPEAKER_05 7:10

Oh my gosh. It was okay, Rebecca, Leah, Ruth, and Ivy came Christine O'Burn and me. And then I think Ivy came a little bit after that. Um I I think I was about to answer you. Oh, yeah, we all know Ivy. I got a text today from I shouldn't say this. I shouldn't say that.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Just covered up the microphone. Let me put a note because I really it may be a thing that people would impress you, but now I'll just ask after. I know. Because she gave me like the wide eyes. Like, I should not ask that.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

But I don't know if it's a bad thing to put out there or not, but it feels like something.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Is it an opportunity for someone?

SPEAKER_05 7:51

It is, yeah. And I got a text about it, so that was weird. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Oh, I gotcha. Okay, yeah, we can talk about that offline. Okay. And then if it's something we need to bring up in the next show, we can. We'll we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

Is Ivy next? She's been on display. She's been on. Oh, I gotta listen to that one. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

So I thought you said you listened to all the shows. Every one. I haven't missed one. Yeah, except for except for Ivy's. You're like, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

So when did you when did you make the tr transition to black design? And what what drove that to Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

Um, I feel like I'm gonna get in trouble for answering that, even though it's I'm already gone, so they can't fuss at me. Um I don't I was not looking for anything at all. I don't seek change out. I was like the last person to get a smartphone on earth. Um but I just got like I think Laurel know Laurel um heard about the opportunity because Lance's designer was leaving to have babies and stuff. Um and I had actually interviewed with Lance back during my internship hunting days, and I think they had just gotten somebody and so I had met him and I knew that they were a small firm and I knew they were kind of cool people. Um and it was like a single designer role. Like I was coming from six very intimidating women, and so it looked very appealing to be the only one. Um yeah, so yeah, that was how I and what kind of projects do you guys work on there? We do, I usually tell reps when they ask me that, um, that we kind of do everything but education. We don't really do K through 12 stuff, but we do healthcare, restaurants, churches, offices, dentists, and everything else.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 9:37

Not government. Not government. We don't do government. Not government, okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Especially government uh education.

SPEAKER_05 9:43

Yeah, exactly. We were carrying us that. I don't know what that means. That doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

And you've been there how long? Let's see here. We've we've got to make it our way through these 20 years. Okay, 2013.

SPEAKER_05 9:57

13, that adds up to 20, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:00

Yeah, I don't actually doesn't add to the 100. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 10:03

Yeah, it's 2026. Oh, it does, it does add up to 13.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

I'm like, I don't think it does. I don't think it does add up to 13. And so, so how many people are in black?

SPEAKER_05 10:13

We just like we've been growing. It's weird. I've I mean I signed on because it was tiny and now we're being big. I'm just kidding. Um there's it's me. Yes, exactly. We're huge.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah, when you do that like percentage-wise, that's really hard.

SPEAKER_05 10:29

We've grown 200%. I'm still the only designer because I'm kind of like I'm like, we're not, I will never anyway. We can talk about that. But there's four or five architects. She puts her foot down. Yeah, yeah. Paul, Keith, Daniel, Lance, John. Yeah, five architects and me.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Huge.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Isn't that big?

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Have you ever had an intern?

SPEAKER_05 10:53

We've got one right now, yeah. And we've got it.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Like an interior design interrupt.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

No.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

She doesn't allow it.

SPEAKER_05 11:01

She does sit in my workspace. Um, so you know, that was a big move for me. But no, it's an architectural intern. I think I'm a control I think I'm a control freak or something. It comes from working under six women. I'm like, nobody's to this is my don't touch this, don't touch that. This is my library. I've organized it the way I like it.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

Six inspiring women.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

Yes. It was.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

So what what made you uh consider interior design in the first place? What was the inspiration?

SPEAKER_05 11:32

Uh so am I supposed to like highlight the stuff that you that's on my thing?

SPEAKER_00 11:38

We're not grading you. Okay. So if you change your answers, we may or may not call you out. Yeah. There has been times where someone has said something where I've thought, oh, that's such a good answer, and then I'll ask them the question and they don't say it. Yeah. And I'm like, uh what about that?

SPEAKER_05 11:51

What about what about this thing that you said? Okay, well then I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

You just say whatever you want.

SPEAKER_05 11:54

Okay, I think this is a cute story, so I'm gonna say it. Um my sweet little mama was pregnant with me and she was in uh interior design school at Jeff State Community College. And um, yeah, and then she had me and didn't do anything with that because she just like got jobs where I could go be with her. Anyway, um she's sweetie. But so I like to say that like that is how I got the design bug, but that's not true.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

But yeah, so also but that's a really good answer because it's almost exactly what you wrote word for word.

SPEAKER_05 12:25

I love that story, but then so I've majored in art at Monteval, because that's what you do at Monte Valo. Yeah. Um, and then like I didn't love it, you know. I thought I was gonna be like just making little clay things and stuff, but but instead you do something and then you put it up on the wall, and then a room full of people tell you what you should change, and uh which is actually kind of how this job is. I was gonna say that sounds familiar. And that's why I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

It's it's it's interesting. Black black design, they they're just they just make little clay figures, that's all they do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:00

So I was gonna like I was gonna get out and open a little art gallery, and then I kind of figured out that I probably wasn't good enough. And um, I just wanted to like design that gallery, was what I realized. So I was like, that's probably it like an interior design interest. The art part in the space that is the art.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Do you still make art?

SPEAKER_05 13:22

I don't have time to like shower and stuff a lot. So no.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I don't think a lot of artists shower. I don't know. I think that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 13:31

I barely sleep, I don't exercise anymore. Um, no, but I would like to, but you know, there's no time.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

And that's because of the children. All the children alive. There are 15, 9, and 2.75 years old.

SPEAKER_05 13:47

Yeah. And now like I work from home a lot more, so there's no that made me have less free time somehow.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

Yeah. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_05 13:56

It's wild how that worked.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

Well, because the 2.75 year old is is at home with you. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

I mean, my mom comes and helps, but it's like there's no line between like I'm not at the office and I can take my lunch break and exercise. I'm just there, so I'm always available to the children.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Are you at home full time?

SPEAKER_05 14:12

No, it's like I go into half days, so I mean it's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I was just the only reason I asked was just because I in my mind I was really hoping that like Lance had hired an entire design studio. And I didn't know about it. I'm not aware. Yeah, he's figured it out for a while. I do keep thinking about that. We'll just let her work with these clients. And then we're just gonna get all this new business because we have an entire new design studio.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

They've moved. Yeah. Well, it could be that there are designers that work um remotely as well. Or they're rotating on days that you're not. They're there, they're there three days a week and then two half days.

SPEAKER_05 14:49

Right. And my desk, I like I put things where I would know, I'm just kidding. They've moved stuff, but no. No, they're just it's just sitting there at my desk.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

I just wanted to like give the you know our our listening audience some context as to why you don't shower and exercise. Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Just because you didn't. You just like I said, she was like, I don't even shower.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

I just don't shower.

SPEAKER_05 15:09

I showered for this.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

I don't shower. Thanks. You're welcome. Appreciate it. So um you guys did a renovation to your house not too long ago. We did, yeah. Can you walk us? I know that wasn't on the sheet that we asked you about, but I would yeah, curve wall.

SPEAKER_05 15:24

Okay, all right. I'll try to go with this. Um, yeah, we did. We have like the tiniest house ever. And where are you guys? West Homewood. Okay. I think it was a thousand square feet. I really it was it's tiny. Um and we just like doubled it, which you know, that was probably a a bit much. You know, that's a lot. You shouldn't just be a designer with the salaries that we have and then just build a whole house behind your house. Like that was a bad thing to do. Um but anyway, yeah, it's great. But I mean, it's not it's not perfect, and I look at all of those not perfect things every minute of every day. Um but yeah, it's good to have space and you can actually put things right, you know, when you don't have any space. Um I don't think we'll ever be done, you know.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:12

Like there's things, there's some baseboards missing, and there's like closet doors missing, and I don't have a bedroom door.

unknown 16:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:18

Another reason I have no privacy or can't shower.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yeah. We leave ours open.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

There's no yeah, there's no shutting doors when you're a parent.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah.

unknown 16:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

So you want to hear if they're like dying.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

I definitely want to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

If you're in trouble, that's fine. But the death part, we should probably like keep apart.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

That's your number one responsibility. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 16:43

The kitchen. We gotta do the kitchen because it is falling apart, and we have like a 1960s house, so it's just it needs a lot.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

What did y'all do? Did y'all add on a living room and a bedroom?

SPEAKER_05 16:53

Yeah, we yes. We added like a den. Good guess. And then a master suite. Oh God.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

And I would hope that the brand new kitchen wasn't falling apart. We just finished the kitchen. It's falling apart.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

Yeah, so now we actually have our own. I've always had like a kid in my bed, and I still do by choice. But are you talking about Charlie? Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

But we're gonna get to your husband.

SPEAKER_05 17:20

Okay, I figured that would happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

You want to talk about him now?

SPEAKER_05 17:24

Sure, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 17:25

Okay, so he's a rep.

SPEAKER_05 17:27

He he is, I guess you would say that.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

What does he do now?

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Now he's an architectural door hardware consultant. Yeah. Yeah. Say it again. Door a door hardware consultant. Sales consultant? Architectural consultant. That's what it is. That's what it's called.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

He's been doing that for several years now, though.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Yeah. I don't know how many at all. But um, or even really what it is.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

It doesn't sound like you really pay things.

SPEAKER_05 17:50

I have to. I've a real job. They just changed his title actually. They changed it recently to something else because of like tax forms. I don't know. They changed his title. But yeah, he's just like the go-between for door hardware. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Well, what's also funny is that we don't see him as much as we did because now he calls on architects. Yes, yeah, yeah. Chad and I do what we can to like not have anything to do with architects whatsoever. I wouldn't go to the city. Chad's again looking at me like, why do you say things like this?

SPEAKER_05 18:23

Okay, if you can say that, I'm less afraid of what I'm not saying.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Yeah, I'm just trying to get you comfortable. Yeah. I'm kidding, architects. Oh God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Um AIA is great. But yeah, AIA is great. But this is the IDA podcast.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Yeah, they don't have a podcast. But if they want the podcast, we would be happy to host it.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

I'm bitter about the I don't feel like the he calls on architects. Like I always get bitter when I hear him say that because that's bullshit. Like he doesn't call on architects? No, well, he does. He's supposed to, but it's like, why do you because I don't do doors, like I don't do the I literally am the one doing the fucking door hardware. Yeah. Hello. Oh, you don't call on designers now because they can't handle the door hardware. Yeah. Whatever.

SPEAKER_04 19:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:05

Yeah. We just do the carpet. Like he was a carpet read before. And the colors. Yeah, and the paint. Yeah. I'm all I'm all about the paint.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Okay. Um, we're gonna get back to your your your questionnaire real quick, but I do have to tell a funny story. Go for it. Oh god. So Charlie worked for office environments years ago. Do you know what I'm about to tell him?

SPEAKER_05 19:24

Is it the thing where you thought I looked like a boy in bed? No, that's oh, that's a terrible way to say that.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

That's a that's awesome. I want to hear that.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

It's like what? It was because of a Facebook photo not in bed at the same time or in person. There's a Facebook photo.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

I'm gonna tell the story about what I was reacting.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

That's a great way. We should just write that down and make sure we got I'm gonna tell us a story. Do you know which one I'm talking about? And just see what they say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

No, what I was the story I was gonna tell was not that. Is so when I first got in the industry about 10 years ago, and I was the global rep, 10 or 11 years ago, and Office Environments was the Herman Miller dealer here in and your husband worked for OE, and he was like their distribution manager or their receiving manager or something like that. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Well, several weeks before you and I had lunch, I was at OE, and this is like I didn't know you, right? I was at OE and I met Charlie. I was like, okay. So then fast forward three or four weeks, we go to lunch for the first time, we're catching up, we're talking about our lives, and you're like, oh, my husband, Charlie, works out with some guys. And I'm like, oh. And I'm thinking, like, I don't know this person. Hey, I don't know you.

SPEAKER_05 20:47

Okay, this is coming back to me.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

And I just have to keep a straight face because I don't judge people. Because the Charlie that I had met was a very well-lived 65-year-old portly man.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Who is now dead, God's R.I.P., yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Lovely man.

SPEAKER_05 21:08

Oh my god, I forgot about this story.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

And all I was thinking, like, I'm not gonna ask how she married this older man because that's not my business. And switch by. Oh, great. Or it I figured it out. Oh my god. And then I remember telling you, I was like, oh, by the way. You actually think you got mad at me. Really? Yeah, I think you were like, you thought I was married.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Did you ask any questions? Like follow-up questions, like, oh really? How'd how'd you guys meet?

SPEAKER_03 21:39

No, because I think I was literally so new to the job that I was just like, I'm just not gonna ruin it. That's the best story. I think it might have been literally the first time we met in person, maybe the second time we'd ever like talked like outside of like emails. I love that story so far. I'm not gonna say anything, but you know, like old man Charlie me. I'm married to Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

Oh, it's Charlie. That's so great. He was lovely. Yeah, he was like a 70-year-old smoker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I nothing against smokers.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Another it was another it could have been another life for you.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. Slide sliding doors. God, that's the best.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

So I was I was I was I don't want to say I was glad to meet the real Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

Relieved is a good relieved either.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Did you like hug him when you saw him?

SPEAKER_05 22:38

Like, oh thank God, I didn't want that life for you.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

What I mean is you don't continue talking to this person ever again. Anyway, okay, yeah, that's my Charlie.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

That's so great. Yeah, frequently now people know of him, which and I'm gonna list all the things I'm bitter about. So that's another thing I'm like, oh, you probably know my husband, even though I was in this industry first. Okay, he's the reason I'm I'm the reason he's here in this industry. But everybody knows Charlie. Yeah. How do you in high school? Okay. He was somebody asked that question.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Yeah, that's what I was like, did you have not asked one follow-up question? Freak out money.

SPEAKER_05 23:30

It's gotta be that 75-year-old Charlie. My God. Um He was the janitor.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

Oh Lord. Um, yes, he was dating like a it this sounds like I stole him, but I didn't. He he was dating a friend of mine that was like older. We're not like we're not friends still. This all sounds bad. Um but they were like dating forever, and I was just kind of like an a friend on the periphery and um just lurking. You were just lurking.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

I just like would hang out and waiting to pounce.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

Yeah, he made fun of me. I always like to say that. He called me poodle, he made fun of my jeans.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Um because he was kind of like a popular little But that's also that's how guys show at that age. That's what he says.

SPEAKER_05 24:15

He was like, I was you know, I thought you were cute. I'm like, Well, that did not come across because I hated you. And like years later, when my our best friends are married, um, and so she was like, Charlie's been asking about you. I'm like, Well, you know what you can tell him. I'm still pissed at that mofo. But um, no, I'm not mad at him anymore. I love him.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

That's good, because you know, you've been together. We had three children. You get the three children, and he's nice. It's a good thing to at least like him. All right, so uh yeah, I was gonna we at the very end say, you know, kind of what's missing. Um I wanted to talk about sexism in the workplace.

SPEAKER_05 24:53

Oh god, really?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Okay. I was gonna lead with that, like the first question off the bat. All the regular listeners are like, wow. Well, yeah. They changed the format. Yeah, what questionnaire did she get? Uh-huh. Yeah. Do you want to talk about that? Did you actually want to talk about that or not? Really?

SPEAKER_05 25:13

I mean, I'm a I'm a raging feminist, which every time I I like think about your wife when I She is also a raging feminist.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

But so are me and Chad.

SPEAKER_05 25:22

I know you are. Yeah, I knew I was in good company. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Raging.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

Raging. It only more every year that goes by. But I would like to give an example. Oh, check out. Because this is kind of funny. But this is one of the things that I hear out in the world that pisses me off every time. Um, and it happens frequently. And it's like when I'm it's usually a contractor. You probably don't have many contractors listening to your show. I hear noise. It's raining. Okay. Um, but I get a lot of Scott trying to tell you to stop. Is that snow?

SPEAKER_03 25:56

If you hear that like me, wasn't paying attention when you said the voice. Where is she going with this?

SPEAKER_05 26:02

I'm gonna have to explain that before we let everybody think anything. Um yeah, okay. Contractors will do the um like we'll be on a call and it'll be like an architect at my office and me. Or no, they won't be on the call, it'll be just me. And they're like, I don't know, Haley, you may need to ask so and so from your like man from your office, because this is probably not a thing that you know about. Like that happens, you know, weekly.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Okay. You know? Do you correct him on the spot? You're like, actually, I do.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

Uh not. I don't know. Yeah, maybe sometimes. Um yeah, I don't know. I just sit there and stew internally about it, probably. But yeah, it's uh if it's not finishes, I probably don't know. It's probably an architect question. Yeah. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Is it the same? Like, do you have repeat offenders on this?

SPEAKER_05 26:51

Um, nah, probably not.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

No, they're all bad.

SPEAKER_05 26:55

Yeah, they're all the same. This may be.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

I just find contractors, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:04

This may be more of a Daniel question. That's what they always say. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Do what now?

SPEAKER_05 27:09

Like this may be more like a couple weeks ago, this is this may be more of a Daniel question. You know, it's like, what the hell is that? What is that? Why you don't think I could have possibly done this? He's an architect, whatever. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

So there was one thing that you mentioned, and I was and I didn't know this, but it was okay, it was asking you specific design style or themes that you're particularly passionate about, and you said mid-century modern, and you said it was gone, or like people think cool anymore.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

I knew you were gonna be like, what are you talking about? I have heard, and this is probably like already outdated because I'm a mom, what do I know? But like people were starting to make fun of it for a minute, and I'm basing this on like what I see on my thing while I'm doom scrolling at night. Like, you know, I think the people younger than us are like, oh my god, quit doing so much mid-century stuff. You know? Okay, but they can suck it. Yeah, I'm not gonna stop. That's that will always be classic. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I just know that have you heard that?

SPEAKER_03 28:10

I had not. I yeah, yeah. It could be fully wrong. Your algorithm is is outrageous.

SPEAKER_05 28:15

It's probably awful.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Your algorithm is rage-beating you. She googles a lot of mid-century stuff. Mid-century sucks. Like, let's send them to Haley. It'll make her respond.

SPEAKER_05 28:30

It's probably exactly right. Like all those that you'll see the articles that are like, these are the six tacky things that designers are saying you shouldn't do anymore. You know, like those articles. Right. It is rage bait. You're so right.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah. Where do you find inspiration for your projects?

SPEAKER_05 28:46

Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

That's I will say that your first sentence is I'll is one of the ones where I looked that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

She wrote and I traveled over the world. I have lots of time to travel.

SPEAKER_05 28:58

We travel, we go to Italy, and we just walk around and get inspired by all the you know, because I read that and I did not read the next part, which is JK.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Um I read the just the sentence and I was like, and I stopped, and I was like, okay, I mean, I'm I follow her on social media. I don't remember the trips. She never talks about it. She never posts sending pictures from the church.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

You didn't keep reading JK the internet.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:20

I don't know. Yeah, it's just like it's and you don't always have to look for inspiration. Does that I don't feel like I'm always like, okay, what am I gonna do? Let me figure it out. You know, like you just kind of get it from si the person and the company and what they ask for and seeing how they are and their existing space and you don't always have to go out and search for inspiration.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Sum in the questionnaire where um some come in, they know nothing and they don't know what they want. And then others come with maybe too much.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

Yeah, oh my god. More often now than it used to be. Like everybody used to kind of hire probably also because I was at a design firm. So if you're like hiring a design firm, you want the designs. But there's a lot of people that hire an architecture firm just because they need a permit. You know, they they've got their crap mapped out and they just know they need you to get a permit so they can build it. So yeah. That I people more often come and they're like, This is the sketch I did, it really sucks. I'm gonna need you to draw it and make it suck best.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Do they say this really sucks or do you flip it on them and you're like, This is crap using your words, yeah. And then you fix it for them.

SPEAKER_05 30:34

I did that today, like before I got here, I had to do that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

I hope that that client doesn't listen when they're not gonna say their name, just in case.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

I won't I won't say the date. Yeah, don't say yeah. Oh, true.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

It's rained every day this summer, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_05 30:52

Yeah, a lot of plan fixing and yeah, but people come like you know, they'll bring a whole Pinterest board and oh god. Sometimes it's good to have a little idea of what they want, but and then there's like the people that have no idea what they want, and like you can show them something and they still don't know. Like they'll never know. Yeah, they can't they don't know what's in their head, what they think they might.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

It's just so what do you do with those people? Like, do you just decide for them?

SPEAKER_05 31:21

You design it 19,000 times.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Oh, that sounds exciting.

SPEAKER_05 31:26

And you lose money on the job, probably. That's not my problem. But yeah, you just have to keep going until until they're like, Yeah, until you wear that. Until you wear them, you just kind of wear them down. They're like, okay, we need to move forward. I don't know, yeah. It's hard, but it's more often restaurant people that are more restaurant people. Wishy-washy.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Did you say restaurant people?

SPEAKER_05 31:47

I did restaurant. They're like, you know, a little bit indecisive, hard to focus because you know they have to be chefy, I would imagine, and that requires a certain skill set.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Well, there's a creativity there as well. Like I think they see themselves as artists. Yes. And so they've got a design style and a lot, probably lots of opinions.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

So many, so many opinions. Yeah. It's I can't s I'm not gonna name names again.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Well, you can name names in a little bit when we talk about some of your favorite projects. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

That's true. I do love yeah, I do love them.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

So they can be great.

SPEAKER_05 32:26

Once it's done, it's like that was fun. But getting through the getting them to agree to things is oh my god. Because they're like really invested, which is good, you know. But like versus somebody that needs an office for their hospice, you know, like they're just like, sure, those offices are fine.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Right, because you're I mean it's the the restaurant, the interior of the restaurant is the brand. Yeah, that's true. It's kind of a big deal. Yeah, I mean it it it it's it's the whole experience.

SPEAKER_05 32:54

Yeah, it's important.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Yeah. So I guess good segue. Yeah, right. So as far as projects that you uh were inspiring or fun to work on. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

Sky Castle, which probably nobody knows about because it's already gone. Yeah. I don't know what happened, but it's gone now. I mean, I feel responsible. Restaurants are hard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

The food and service was fantastic, but the interior design, people stopped coming in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

Oh god. And we know it's not like they were established, you know, they still have successful restaurants all over. So it wasn't that they didn't know what to do, so I don't so it was the interior. I don't know. That's what I like to tell myself at night when I'm trying to go to sleep. That's what you like.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

When you're trying to go to sleep, you're like, this restaurant wearing it.

SPEAKER_05 33:44

This was one of my failures because of don't ever forget. But it was the only time I won an ID or was that oh god.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

So it was probably fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 33:55

I think it's beautiful in pictures, but I can't it's like you know, it's still there and it's been what is it now?

SPEAKER_03 34:02

Yeah, tell people about it. Tell people about what it was before you get into work. Because this is in Birmingham, it's over in uh Lake Beauty.

SPEAKER_05 34:09

It was in that little strip that had apartments above it, and it was next to Bobaloo, which is also something else now. Um, but it was they were trying to I'm I like I feel like I have to s try to not reveal who it was for some reason, but their dad had a restaurant that was near the same place or something on the same site. So we were we were like referencing this um old uh Sky Castle, which was like a DJ booth up in the sky, and people would pull up and park and they would request songs maybe from a phone. This is like 1950 stuff. Um there was like a digital mural of that at Sky Castle in the in the restaurant. But that was their maybe their granddad or something. So that's where the name came from. Um and it was very kind of a retro looking space, which is my fave, so that was fun to do. It was just crazy. Everything was wild in there. Blue wall, wood on the ceiling, linoleum on the walls.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

It had a lot of personality. It did.

SPEAKER_05 35:14

It did, yeah. My dad built the little copper thing around the tap wall. See, here's what had happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a lot of years working with these people, and we had tried several different concepts. Okay, I'm just gonna say they they are pizza is their thing. So they have got that brand, and they were always trying to do something else. So we had tried several other things with them outside the pizza brand, and those things didn't really happen. So there was a lot of background like design ideas that we had tried with them, and I feel like that's kind of what like Skycastle was like, Let's try it all, right? We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 35:59

Yeah, but it won't a work, so whatever. But yeah, the pipe, the little copper pipe thing was my daddy built that in the backyard. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, isn't that cool? I hope it's still there. I can't walk by. I cannot walk by because if that's gone, like if the next person scrapped that, that just like rips my heart out. It's the it's the East West guy. He opened something new, it's probably amazing. We work for him, we did East West. Um I I don't know the name of it because I don't get to leave my house.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

I mean it's like Umami's on the corner. Yeah, yeah. And that's the only thing I can know. Hattie B's. Yeah, Hattie B's on the and then there was an escape room place. I don't know if it's still there or not, but yeah, that's right. I don't know what the rest of it is.

SPEAKER_05 36:43

It was something in between after Sky Castle, and now it's this thing that probably will last because it's based with Skype.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 36:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

What are um some common challenges outside of um restaurant work um that you face in the field of interior design?

SPEAKER_05 37:02

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

You started this off saying woo-wee.

SPEAKER_05 37:06

Yeah, what's not a challenge? My goodness. How long did you say this podcast was? People that don't know what their budget is, don't want to tell you, don't want to talk about the budget, and they want you to design the whole thing, and then they get mad that it's over the budget that they didn't tell you, and the contractor cuts things that he didn't talk to you about, and you know, there's the money stuff like that. People that can't make up their minds. Sure, yeah, because I don't even remember what they were.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

Oh, it's great. It's great. So, yeah, so the question was what are some common challenges you face in the field of interior design? Woo-wee! How long did you say this podcast was? And then your answer continues. People who show up with their wife, uh, yes, who has always been told she should have been a decorator and she thinks you're a diva, so you have to prove to her you're not an asshole before she'll bond with you.

SPEAKER_05 38:01

Oh god, yes, that is that is dentists are that way. The wife is always there, and let me tell you, dentists are detailed because it's like teeth are small. Yeah, you kind of want to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's important.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

And then you continue when you went from people and then their wives, and then you say, men, you think you only know colors, and you literally went to college and they printed out your diploma and it said colors on it. Colors.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

Colors and all god paint. Me and my paint dead.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Yeah, yeah. All your questions were great because they were pretty much all like that. Yeah, and they were all true. Like they're all like they're not wrong answers. Yeah. Not that they can be wrong answers, they're your answers. But there's just a lot of a lot of personal personality stream of consciousness.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

Yeah, that was a good way. That's how I felt when I was writing it.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Like the next question was how do you overcome creative blocks when working on a project?

SPEAKER_03 39:02

OMG, beat myself internally, entertain severe and crippling imposter syndrome, question my life choices, Google endlessly the dumbest shit you've ever heard of. Quote, pictures of modern bars with a European vibe, end quote. And then finally at 3 a.m. have an epiphany that I have to text myself to remember.

SPEAKER_05 39:21

That has happened more than once. Yeah. It is weird, it's a weird feeling when you're like, I have no ideas for this. Like, and it's always like a bar, you know, you can always come up with it.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

So that was a question about how where do you find inspiration? You're like, ugh, you just grab it.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

Yeah. I don't really know. I've there are probably people that like know that answer and like have a process and a design theory, and I'm not one of those.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

But I feel like I also love this answer because I feel like that this is not the answer for everybody, but I feel like it's probably an answer for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

Okay, let's hear it.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

And a lot of people have written down stuff like go for a walk.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

And that's and that's true, and that's and yeah, that's that's that's good, and you're now looking like, oh, that's I should have. I never thought of that. Go for a walk, baby.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

You can't get out of the house.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

You gotta do in a seven. I can't walk. I'll have three kids hanging off. I can't help but think that there's been plenty of other people that we've had on the show that have read that question, and the first thing that pops into their mind is OMG, beat myself up and trying to. And then they're like, Well, I'm not gonna write that down. No.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

But Haley will go for a walk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Look at interest, listen to music, and talk to other designers. Journal for the balls to write down.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

I'm all about trashing myself openly. I fully have imposter syndrome.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

Well, you've been doing this for 20 years, so you know I think you probably can get over that. Yeah. And Lance is not secretly building an entire design studio behind your back.

SPEAKER_05 40:55

As far as we know. So you're fine. Yeah, as far as we know.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

So uh, since you've been doing this so long.

unknown 41:01

God.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Can you share your thoughts on the evolution of design trends over the years?

SPEAKER_05 41:05

Oh my lord, y'all are asking me the hardest ones on the sheet.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Okay, so you answer this is what's funny about this one is you write, I feel like this is a question for someone like your dad, Mark. I am not worthy. And then you write an entire page. And you wrote a page, yes. Yeah. I can't answer this, but here are my thoughts. Yeah. I was ready, I was ready for the next question to be there because I thought she's not gonna do anything. And then an entire page.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

As I started thinking, yeah, I was like, okay, I do have some thoughts on this. I doubted myself first. I don't remember what I said at all, though, right now.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

What did I say? Don't read it, but hold on. All right, let me just think. Hold on, let me think. Okay, you asked me about design trends. What did I say? I don't remember. I have nothing in my head right now.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Where do I have to start? Like the 1950s? I need another sheet of paper.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

Yeah, okay. So, like, you know, I do I remember I didn't really answer the question, that's what I did. Okay. Like, people were like doing all the cool new things and like the 50s look this certain way, and then the 60s, and you could like see the progression, and the new stuff stopped at some point, right? Like, there's no we can't do new shit anymore. I don't I don't think it's all been done. Hasn't it? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

There's probably new people doing the rights to that Nick and Lady song that we just plug that in here. Yeah, yeah. Oh god. They won't know. They won't know.

SPEAKER_05 42:24

But it's like, you know, I guess every like decade was looked like the 80s was inspired by the 40s or whatever, and then so we're always like looking back and re you know, drawing inspiration from the other.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

Exactly. Those are jealous bitches. Yeah, you're being jealousy.

SPEAKER_05 42:41

They didn't come up with it.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

Yeah, what's funny is you did kind of answer the question. Okay, and you've said it here that just like you know, everybody's kind of like that. It was I think what you were getting at is that in the 50s and 60s it was a very fruitful time. Yeah, the best. And a lot of stuff has happened then, and so now people there's there's and I'm gonna combine answers here. That there's a there's a lot of stuff that's been done, but also there's a lot of access to being able to see design. Yes, and so everyone's do, Instagram, you know, you don't have to go out and try to find the cool bar that's in LA because the cool bars are down the street from you now. Yeah, because they've seen what's going on in the L.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

That's right. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

And everyone sees the same algorithm, so all they're doing all the same cute shit. I think it's a good thing. Yeah, that was in there too. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

Like we, I mean, some of the stuff that is all over the city now, you know, we would have never seen it or even thought of it. You know, it was only happening in Europe or LA or some, you know, all the cool places. It wouldn't be here. Stuff was ugly forever. Like when I was a kid, do you because y'all are designery people? You know, I remember thinking, God, I wish this like well when Target first came out and they were like designed for all. You remember that? And like stuff started getting a little bit cuter. And before that it was like just for the Normal people.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Before that was shit was ugly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Yeah. So now it's like whatever architect had like a whole line of Gary. Maybe it was Gary, but he had like a whole line of like pizza cutters and toasters and stuff like that. Because yet it was like, oh, this is cool. Yeah. And I remember getting one of those pizza cutters in my stocking for Christmas season.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

Oh my god, what kind of person? It was an $11 pizza cutter. I forgot who you are. Yeah. And you were three, yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh, I'm so can I tell, can I just talk about your dad's house for a second?

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Sure. And then we need to talk about you looking like a boy in bed.

unknown 44:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

Yeah, let's please clear that up before I get off of here. I don't know if it's gonna make anything better. Okay, we have driven me and Charlie. I found the only person from Fulton Hill High School. Charlie Adams, the 75-year-old deceased man who Mark thought I was married to. Um, yeah, we're the only people from FHS that are into mid-century style. So, you know, so we are obsessed with your dad's house in Bestavia. It's the most perfect thing ever. And we drive by every time we go eat at Tacoti Grill. Um, but yeah, so one day we had no idea that your freaking dad lives there. Like I didn't know that we knew the person.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

And I don't even think I knew until you invited us to some open house that y'all do or something. We were like, this is your dad's house. But before that, one day your dad must have pulled out of his house and Charlie was behind him, and he he texted me and was like, the owner of that house just pulled out in front of me, and I feel so honored that he got to just ride behind him for a while. Isn't that we were like our obsessed with that house?

SPEAKER_03 45:48

That's silly.

SPEAKER_05 45:49

It's so cute.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

But you've been you came to that party, right?

SPEAKER_05 45:52

No, because you were kind of like, don't bring your kids, and I was like, Well, I gotta stay on this.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

I mean, Chad's been every chance I get. Yeah. I'm just saying there's a lot of regular stuff. Yeah, yes, that's I can see. But your kids have come during kind of a preview of the the holiday party because they've come to see my parents, they collect a lot of things, and one of the things they collect is nativity scenes around the world. Um, and they have like a hundred and fifty of these things collected everywhere. And so, yeah, it's like that's one of the reasons your kids have come over to see.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Yeah, I they've been they've been a couple times, I think. That's cool. Yeah, so it's just certain kids.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

I posted a Facebook photo of myself and asleep in my bed at home with my son. Or with my with one of my children. Some I didn't post it, Charlie did. Anyway, we were asleep because we like he'll take a picture of me and the baby if we're ever like in the same pose while we're asleep. And Mark saw it on Facebook and texted me something along the lines of was that what you oh you your son looked so cute in bed with Heidi, or just like something he thought I was a dude. Okay, basically. Yeah, that's not as exciting of a story as I thought it would be.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Clear the air up, you know.

SPEAKER_05 47:10

Yeah, yeah, because I worded it just in the most horrific way earlier. No, but you didn't remind me. I was a man. Ben.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

Yeah, no, yeah, it was it was I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

In your defense, I had didn't have any makeup on. When your hair was like, my hair was back, which apparently reveals my dude face.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Yeah, nothing, none of none of this is gonna make any of the story easier better. But I do remember like it was literally like foot and mouth, like there's no coming back.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

You know why I that's fresh on my mind because you like texted Charlie and was and you like were giving him a heads up because you were gonna see him at some event, and you were like, just so you know, this is what I said to your wife this week. And they screenshotted it and sent it to me so I would know that you had done that, and like that came up as a memory on my Google photos. Oh god, the time mark thought I was a dude.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_05 48:02

You tried to kind of get out of it. Like, I thought you were your son, not a not a man, dude, a kid.

SPEAKER_02 48:07

Yeah, there was no I can't remember what I was saying.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

You can't even walk back. Because there was no walking back. No. Um I thought you were your son.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah. There's and then it seems like well, there's and also there's posts where Charlie's not wearing a shirt.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

Oh God, that was a theme we were doing for a while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

For whatever reason, he would he would be shirtless in the whole time. Only shirtless. And so there were a few where he's wearing shorts too. And so I would then put like a flower or something over his shorts. It seemed like he's Oh yeah. Looks like he's naked. Yeah. And he's in the living room playing with the kids, but he's completely naked.

SPEAKER_05 48:43

Oh, yeah. I don't know why, but he comes home and just pants off. Like he does not wear clothes at home. I mean, he boxers, but he's just always sitting around in his underwear.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:53

It's infuriating.

SPEAKER_03 48:54

Is that why Ben is always sitting around in his shorts?

SPEAKER_05 48:56

And now Ben is always naked too. And our baby doesn't ever wear clothes. So I'm the only one with clothes on at home. Non-showery kids.

unknown 49:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

I'm dirty. They're all naked.

SPEAKER_05 49:09

We're just rolling around in West Home West.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

It's best if you don't come out. And this is where the great design ideas come from. Yeah, that's exactly. That's where you find your inspiration.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

We can't go for walks because we're all naked.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

We don't even exercise anymore.

SPEAKER_05 49:26

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

Okay, well, I'm glad we cleared that up.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

Yeah, I feel better.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

So we're getting close to the end. Okay. Um, I just wanted uh do you have any advice for my God.

SPEAKER_05 49:37

This is another hard question that I'm gonna spotch. Okay. Go ahead. Ask me for advice.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

No, tell me about sustainability.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

Oh, hell no! There's no such thing.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Why don't we just do it? Any other pet peeves uh that you want to cover before we let's talk about what she likes, the negative shit.

SPEAKER_05 50:01

Oh God. I don't know. No, the thing about I already did my pet peeve. I have way more, but I'm not gonna be able to think of them right now. But being underestimated by a man. And the yeah, and um the wives coming in and being ma because it's it's definitely like there's an energy when they walk in and you have to like prove that you're I don't know why, because it's like it's not like this is some right I'm a designer. Like that's not something that you walk around being like this is the most well respected job on earth, you know. So I don't know why. It's like they c they think you're gonna have an ego, I guess. About what I don't know, because you know, so freaking design. I think so. And so they're like, this is you know, they feel like they have to prove that they're maybe nervous. I yeah, I'm sure that's part of it.

SPEAKER_03 50:48

Maybe they're like intimidated by you.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

I don't nah. I mean, maybe Yeah, I don't know. I'm intimidated by everybody's.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

And your naked children that are at work with you.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

Nobody's more intimidated than me about everything at all times, so they shouldn't feel that way.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

I think that you should I'm nervous. I think that maybe you should reflect on that they're intimidated by you. And that they think that they have something, not to prove, but they're like, oh, like we're coming in here, we need to look like we have our shit together.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

Yeah, you can definitely tell.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

And you know, like, oh, like, you know, because we're gonna want to see the designer.

SPEAKER_05 51:25

Yeah, okay. I like that. She works at an architecture firm. Uh-huh. I am badass. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

And they're just dentist wives. Okay. I got Chad to make that face for you.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

Okay, you call down a group of people.

SPEAKER_05 51:41

Oh, God. But then some, you know, like sometimes well, just personalities are it's just amazing how quickly, like, oh, this person's a dick. Like, this is gonna suck. And then some people are lovely, and you're just gonna have the best. Oh, like I just we just are finishing up a dentist's office that was the most fun. It's like they wanted it to look like an art gallery. The dude paints, and he it's like got high dark ceilings, and so that was super fun. And he like immediately was his wife involved? No, is that the difference? And the other one, I do not hate women if that's what that sounded like.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

But the other one has Especially as a feminist.

SPEAKER_05 52:21

I know, God. Yeah, I might need to reflect on that.

SPEAKER_00 52:25

Third generation.

SPEAKER_05 52:28

The other dentist actually had a decorator for a wife, but they've kept her away. Okay, so she must not have wanted to, you know, sometimes they probably don't want to get involved. Right. But yeah, that was a lovely experience. So it's just like certain personalities, yeah. Like everything.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

That's that's true for everybody, even design firms who call in on design firms. Some of them are just kidding. No, you're not. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

I have a rep for a husband, so I know all the shit.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Oh, so you get all the well, at least from the architect's side, because he doesn't call on to your design. We don't know anything about doors, so what do designers know about door?

SPEAKER_05 53:06

If it's not paint, we must not know.

SPEAKER_03 53:09

Or pillows.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

Pillows, pillows, paint or pillows, fabrics. God.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

Oh do you still get into like Facebook fights, like you and your sister, like pylon?

SPEAKER_05 53:21

How do you know about that? It's Facebook.

SPEAKER_03 53:24

It's a public.

SPEAKER_05 53:25

I have put that in my past mark. I thought it was erased. We were, yeah, there was like a period. It was great.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

It was hilarious. I feel like this was maybe pre-third child.

SPEAKER_05 53:35

Oh, for sure. It was probably pre-second child, honestly. But she, you know, we would get in political fights, me and my sister with with people, and like and I was in like the neighborhood Facebook group, and I knew it was time to get out when I was like literally driving through the neighborhood, and I was like looking around, trying to not trying to get pissed off, but kind of like looking around, like, what can I go on there and make fun of?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

That's why she doesn't go for walks.

SPEAKER_05 54:04

Because in my mind, like we were kind of saying it with it some humor. We were for sure. But then you know how Facebook is, everybody is an asshole, and everybody gets under it and just says the dumbest shit, and then you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's people like you and your sister that react. And I would see these threads that would pop up, you know, because it would be like a like a public page, like an ale.com or something like that. So that's how I would see it. And so it's like where I'm connected to you, so it'd be like, Hayley tried away, comment it. And then the first time I'm like, why am I seeing this? And then like I clicked on one one day, and I'm like, well, now I'm always gonna click on it. Because this is just a gold mine of like comment L, which is my rule, and Chad knows this stay out of the comment section. Yeah, that's a good rule. That's a good rule. Yeah, so I'm glad that you stay out of the comment section. I do because you're not changing anybody's mind. No, you're not.

SPEAKER_05 54:53

I'm only pissing myself off, and it'll ruin your day. I mean, you can just fume about some shit all day long. Oh, it's terrible. And that's who's just put that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

And I've never met your sister, but I would do like they would be in these these threads together.

SPEAKER_05 55:10

We go crazy together, just going nuts. She's never exactly like me.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

Your husband would like come in with some sort of snide comment.

SPEAKER_05 55:19

Or he would do on your side, like he would do the little Michael Jackson eating popcorn meme.

SPEAKER_03 55:23

Yeah, he would just date you, and then your sister would pile on to your to her brother-in-law.

SPEAKER_05 55:29

So awful. Nobody look this up. I've put that in my past, Mark.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

It's fine. It's fine. No one's no one's gonna look it up now. Maybe Mickey. Maybe people from Gardendale. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

Alright, uh, Rapid Fire. Rapid Fire.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Oh my god, I am not built for anything rapid fire.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

I know, and what's funny is that we started the show, before we started the show, we asked you if you had listened to an episode, and you're like, you were honest, which we appreciate.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yeah, you said I listened to one on the way over.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

On the way over here, and black design is all of like maybe six blocks and two streets over.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

I was coming from home, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

Oh, that's right. Yeah. You had a shower. Yeah. So 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

10 or 12 minutes. So she's so she didn't make it to the rapid fire questions. There are always rapid fire questions.

SPEAKER_05 56:19

Okay, oh my god. All right. Is it just yes or no? Or like sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

Sometimes we'll see. Um, I mean, I can start. All right. What's your irrational design fear?

SPEAKER_05 56:32

Oh my god, everything I have is an irrational fear. Um, I'm not gonna be able to answer any of these. Let me just can I just preface this by saying, let me just give some background. I have not slept adequately for approximately 15 years. Okay. Um, due to children and too many hobbies and work, and so my brain is like a little bit fried. Please hire me to do your designs. Um, like I can't answer simple questions. I feel like Chesney definitely can relate, like, your vocabulary goes away. Like you I can't think of any me it's like medium-sized words, kind of, you know? Yeah, I can't and I'm like, I this is I want to say this thing, but I that word is gone. And like it doesn't come back. No, you do not get that part of your brain back.

SPEAKER_00 57:21

Because Chesney and I've talked about this before, because she, as she will say, she was like, I used to have the best memory, and now I can't remember anything. It's odd. And I was like, that's because you now are not just keeping track of your own schedule, you're keeping track of you're such a lovely husband, three other people's schedules, and sometimes mine. Yeah, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_05 57:40

Okay, the mental low is real.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

Yeah, is Charlie the schedule?

SPEAKER_05 57:43

When I'm doomed scroll, no, Charlie. He would just be like, uh you like reassure her that she's not going crazy. All right, because I'm gonna get home and be like, God, why don't I say this and this and this? All right, can I just let's just don't call it rapid fire and just let me try to let me just try to get my remote.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

There's some short form questions. And a rational design fear. Take as long as you like.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

Well every time I'm always, God, there I was gonna say probably a lot of people are like this, but probably nobody's like this. Like I'm always imagining what people are thinking about a plan I've just sent off, or what they're you know, what what everybody's thinking, and this person probably thinks I'm a bitch for saying this in the email, or if I word it this way, they're gonna think I'm stupid and just this is probably a woman thing because y'all don't have to do this shit, do you? Like you gotta use a certain amount of exclamation points, but not too many. You don't want to look like you're see, you know, but you've got to be friendlier than men don't have to be that friendly. I digress about that, but um yeah, I feel like people I feel like people are like always thinking, like, you know, I don't know how to answer that. Yeah. I'm worried, I worry about like they're probably just like look at the plan or whatever, but I feel like they're like, oh, this plan sucks, she's an idiot. We're not, you know. Right. They think I'm dumb. I don't know how yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

You've been a designer for 20 years. You've been married for how long?

SPEAKER_05 59:08

Oh my god, Mark, I don't even know how to answer that. All right, wait, 2010, so 16 years.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

16 years for three kids. Yes, they're great. I think you're doing things right. Yeah. I think you worry too much.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

I definitely do do that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This is what we did. She did it in the beginning, this is a therapy for you.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

It's like, she was like, this is gonna be therapy for me. Yeah. We were talking about that before we we started. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_05 59:33

Because you don't get to like, you know, I'm not talking about myself a lot. I'm always like, I'll try to ask other people questions so I don't have to have the advantage of the channel.

SPEAKER_03 59:41

I don't have these problems because I talk about myself all the time.

SPEAKER_05 59:43

I think that's great, Green. I think that you should I think it's very healthy.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

That's very send out emails and I'm like, that was the best email ever. They're all good. I love crafting a good email. There's no way this could go south.

SPEAKER_05 59:59

I love emails. Is it not the best? That's why I've suck at this, because like, and my questionnaire was the bomb, and I knew it was gonna be because you can like formulate your thoughts and type them out.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:09

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:10

Don't call me, don't call me on the telephone. I have no idea what's gonna come out of my mouth.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

The only thing I worry about emails is that when there's serious conversations, and just recently at work, we've had some serious conversations, there's just been some like no-jokes in these emails, and I've had to put some wording in the emails of like, hey, like, I'm just so you know that I'm wording this gently, right? And diplomatically, because uh overthinking the email, but like it's just situations like okay, if they read this wrong and they misunderstand my tone, I'm gonna tell them my tone. Yeah. Because if they misunderstand it, they might write back and say, all caps. Oh god, all caps.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Yeah, that is that is hard to do. Yeah, that's that's the challenge with email. Like there, and there are times where it's like back and forth, back and forth, or you've typed two pages into an email and you're like, this is stupid. I should just call it. I should just call it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:06

There are two types of people, and it's the I just wanted to call you. I typed two sentences and I just figured it would be easier to call you, and then there are the people like me that hate you for saying that. And I pr I think that's the minority for sure. Because there's so many people and they want to call and sit there. This is okay, this is another pet paper. Call me, don't don't formulate a thought ahead of time and type it out and think, don't think at all. Just pick that phone up, call me and make me sit there on the other line while you figure out what the fuck you're gonna say to me. Read me the email, shuffle through papers on your desk and find your shit that you gotta say while I'm just sitting there like this. Yeah, I can't stand or hate the phone. Y'all are both phone people, I can tell. Because you're like, really? I'm gonna I freaking love email.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:55

It depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

It depends. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

You're probably good on the phone. Sometimes I'll have I'll have somebody like a dealer or a designer will call for something and I have to look it up. And I'm on the computer looking something up, trying to find the price or whatever, and maybe they've given me something that's somewhat vague and I'm trying to find it. And there are times where I'm just like, okay, um why don't I just call you back? Yeah, because instead of you just sitting on the phone as I'm trying to figure this out because I don't know the answer.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:24

I hate the phones so much. But the children don't do phones, which I'm happy. I hope they go I feel like it's like a lot of people. Yeah, like the you know, like the Gen Z thing where they're they're just like their faces are blank and they don't they're not gonna call. They have anxiety about the phone, which I fully do too. But like they're I don't think they use phones to call people at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

They're just texting, texting only for sure. Snapchatting.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

Yeah, again, like my my daughter, both my daughters will have like their FaceTiming their friend. So it's you know their pictures there, they're talking. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, whatever. All right. That was that was that was question number one of question number one of just questions, just questions, long form, whatever form, whatever you want to make up. All right. If you could go back in time and give yourself some parenting advice, what would it be?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

Oh my god. I thought you were gonna ask me like what is a regret or a thing you would do differently, and I was gonna be like, I can answer this because I'm all about regrets and negative shit. So I have like two regrets I could tell you. Okay, but yeah, we'll do parenting advice. Um oh my god, what could you not tell your past self everything? You're not gonna know which way is up. Like your life is like you're marching this way, and then you have a kid and it's 180 degrees. You that probably didn't because I just turned away from the microphone.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

But um it was surround sound. Yeah, the microphone we tell we tell guests before we start recordings, like just make sure you speak into the microphone. Sometimes people get comfortable and so that they like sit back and you just turned your head. Or in this case animated. I just marched around the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:03

Yeah, but yeah, you like cannot predict how different your life is about to be. There's no way to remotely figure that out. I would probably say, chill the fuck out about your first kid. Like, just everything's gonna be, they're just gonna, they'll kind of show you what they need. You don't have to like have all the answers and why are you throwing a fit and I need to fix this. Just fucking just chill the fuck out.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

I remember Kate or first, we were in the hospital and she sneezed. Because you know, she was just born, so there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, right. But I remember being like, uh, is she does she have a cold? Is that is she okay? Like, is that you know, is she already ill? Yeah, yeah. It's like they're like, it's fine. It's fine. It's dusty. That was a sneeze.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Yeah. She's learning to sneeze.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:46

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

Um, all right, uh, let's see. I had one. Oh, we'll see. This is an easy one. Maybe. This might be a loaded one.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:57

It'll be hard for me, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

If your friends described you in one word.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:01

Oh, God. Uh I don't have any friends. I'm an introvert.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Oh, I actually know what she's gonna say. I don't have friends.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:12

I don't come to events. I don't have friends, I don't allow interns in my office. I'm an ogre. I do have one friend.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

They would say ogre.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:24

I have one friend, and I don't know what she would say. I mean, that's not true. I have more than one friend. I have like a high school friend, and then I have like a neighborhood friend, and then like my sisters are my best friends, and I don't have the first idea of how they would.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

What about your sisters? How would your sisters describe you?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

Like sweet, I don't know, curly headed, weird. My oldest sister would say weird and goofy and Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

See those.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

All right. If money wasn't an issue and you weren't taking your kids with you, where would you go on vacation?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

Oh my God. Like Italy probably, something like that. We gotta go to Paris because I just it's like about to burn up. I don't know if y'all listen to NPR, but Paris is about to just because they don't have air conditioning.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

I don't know. It's getting hot.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

It's gonna be a lake of fire. I'm never gonna get to go to Paris. Because I gotta wait till the two-year-old is like old enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:18

You know, you gotta wait till the two-year-old's like 3.75 years old.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:22

It's gonna be a while before I can travel. But yeah, I've only been I've been to Europe one time and it was like in college because there was like a there was a we went on a little cruise and we didn't know that it was an old person cruise. Like we went with a group and they booked us on that Viking River cruise with the white-haired people. And I still get those brochures in the mail, and like the front page is always a silver-haired couple. It's a picture of you, and it was it was all those people and a group of college children. Yes. It's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Isn't that hilarious? She's jam now. I like how she said college children.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:57

Is it long? It's because of me. I don't know how to edit and be concise in any way.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

One of my coworkers just walked by and was like waving to Haley, so that's who she's talking to. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:09

I'm thinking this is like the videoed kind of podcast where everybody's yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

That's my goal. I'm not a slip. Eventually. Maybe one day. Oh wait, is that mine? Was that mine? That was mine. Oh, yeah, that was yours.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:21

What did I say even? Did I what did you ask me?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

You said Italy. It was mine.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

Oh, Italy, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

I have to say mine. And then we started talking about France burning down.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

And then we got into Viking cruises.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:32

Yeah. Um, if you had to eat one meal for your re for the rest of your pizza. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:37

Wow. Nice. You're getting it. You're getting it. I can do yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

My my third question is related. What's your go-to snack?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:44

Jesus. Oh my god. I'm a terrible, terrible, unhealthy person.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Freaking love. What is one design hill your deal die on?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:57

There's so many things that I get riled up about and ready to fight about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

You did actually say it I don't know where I'm not gonna put them find it, but you were arguing a point in your questionnaire and again stream of consciousness. And at one point you say, fight me.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:15

Oh, just that about mid-century. I do not, I refuse to believe that it's we need to stop using it. It will always be good. I don't know. A design heal all die on. That's a hard rapid fire question mark.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:28

I'm gonna can I think about this for 48 hours and submit my answer in writing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

If you record yourself, that's what I want to do. Yeah. Because we'll have time to edit that in. Put that in.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:41

But like I'm not gonna try to come up with an answer. It's gonna be goofy. But uh yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:48

Okay, all right. Well, I can't do it. Sorry. Charlie's taking the kids out of town for the weekend. What would you do? Three weeks. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:58

I don't I just okay. Well, something with my sisters, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Um your only friends.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:06

My only friends, one of them is like now back in town for the first time in probably decades. She lived in Atlanta forever, and so she's home, so we hang out more. And we would go to one of our houses and drink wine and watch all of the TV shows that I never get to watch because of the children.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

Like you mean like what are the children? Oh, the TV shows? Oh, I'm well, I'm Cocoa Melon. Um, I can name all the children stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

Coco. Well, no, I mean what programs are you watching with your sister?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:38

I don't even know what they are. I just know that every time somebody's like, Did you see this? I'm like, no, I haven't seen TV in 15 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

So she's like getting you started on like breaking bad. Oh my god. Yeah, pop in that Sopranos TV TV.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:54

I watched all of Shits Creek on maternity leave, so that was lovely. That was good. That's solid. So good.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yep. Okay, is this my last one? Yep. What's something you're surprisingly good at?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:06

Oh shit. Cursing.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Cursing.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:10

Surprisingly good at? Oh my god, why is this so hard? Can I say the thing about visualizing the stuff? Does it have to be design related? I feel like that's a gift, and it's probably not, and probably like like your dad, and then like Richard Carnaggio is like one over everybody gonna do this if they're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Well, they are architects.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:28

Oh well, of course, they must be awesome and everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:30

And male architects.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:32

And they're men, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:33

I just led with that. That would be a better joke. Well, they are men.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:37

Oh my god! Flip the table over.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:41

Let's recut that.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:42

Oh my god. Um, what was it? Oh yeah, like I feel like I can I can see the space in my mind, like when I just look at a plan, I visualize it 3D, and then because sometimes I'll we'll have only seen the plan and then I'll go once it's built, and I'm like, yeah, this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:57

That looks exactly how have I been here already?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:59

I don't know, because it's just very clear in my mind. That sounds very braggy, and I but I that's like the only thing I'm like. I know I'm good at this. You've been doing this 20 years. Yeah, I'm a freaking veteran. No, that's not true. I still feel like a child. Do y'all feel that way? Do you feel old now?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

I don't feel old. I don't, even though I am. Isn't it fair?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

Sexist. Yes, just based on your answer and visualization. Are you good at parallel parking?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:31

What the fuck's that supposed to mean? And yes, by the way, I am. I'm very good at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:38

You gotta get your butt punched in the face right in the middle.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:42

You get your butt right in the middle of the parking space, straight to the middle, sharper than you think you ought to do, and then and then you just are in one shot. I don't ever have to go up and try again. I'm that's how urban I am.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:55

I'm so proud of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:56

Get your butt in the middle. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:57

Yeah, right in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

Last one for me. Best concert you've ever been to.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:02

Oh, come on. You knew what you were doing. I was like, are we gonna talk about this or not? Who's my favorite band, Mark?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:10

You better know. Uh it's I'm pretty sure it's uh Chad knows. I know who it is, it's no doubt. So when I was trying to think of a funny answer and I couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:21

The one and only time, I'm gonna lean forward. The one and only time I won an ID award. I was nine months pregnant, and I got up and walked to the stage, and I went the wrong way, which still makes me mad. And Chad was playing If I Was a Rich Girl by Gwen Stefani, and that is one of the how that's like that's one of the things that's gonna play when I'm going to heaven. No comment. But that was that was incredible, and it was like this is the best thing that's ever happened. But yeah, I'm a f I'm obsessed with uh No Doubt and Gwen Stefani. Yeah, and I have been since I was 12 years old.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:58

So, what's the best concert you've seen of them?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:02

How many times have you seen it? Oh, I can't pick that. I don't even know, like maybe 10-ish, which is not that much like for people that like go to Wides Pro Panic, they've seen it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:11

Because those people were like in the hundreds of albums.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

Well, and they tour all the damn time. But they this band takes forever between albums. So, you know, I've seen them like 10 times. I've every time they've come around, I've seen them, except when I was a child.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

And you saw the at the sphere.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:26

I went to the sphere, that was amazing. I have a like my my brother-in-law asked me, how was the sphere? And much like this interview, I was not concise at all, and I like fully went off the rails and tried to analyze all the reasons that I couldn't enjoy that show at the sphere because the graphics are amazing, but I can't I'm not gonna watch the movie. I gotta look at the band. Like I'm on the I'm in the pit, I'm looking at the band. Yeah. And so, and everybody on Facebook is all, oh my god, I can't get over it. It's the best day of my life. And I'm like, I'm so what's it called? This is a medium-sized word when you're oh conflicted about this concert, because y'all should have asked me only about no doubt, and I would have been full of answers. But like the band, I started crying, so long story short, when he asked me this, and like I had to text him a voice thing later and finish answering the question in tears. I had been drinking a little bit. Um, but yeah, you gotta like watch the band. Then there's the sphere, and then there's the and the everything's insane, and it's just like I just want to go to a normal show and just look at the. Yeah. But then also I would like to just go to a movie without the band and watch the graphics, were incredible, but I can't. Like, I'm gonna look at the band, they're right here.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:39

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:40

Oranges fell from the sky. Little foam oranges dropped out of the sky. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:45

I was like, that could hurt. Yeah, they were foam, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

Oh god. Is that from Don't Speak? What's the what's the oranges from? What video is that? Yeah, well, there was a video.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:58

Let's keep talking about no doubt. So there was the whole tragic kingdom theme, and like there were, and because they're from Orange County, and so there was I love that this is where this is gone. There's rotten oranges on the cover of the thing because it's like tragic kingdom, and then the oranges were rotten, and people apparently used to sell oranges on the freeway to stand around. Oh my god. So that yeah, that's where. And then in the note in the don't speak video, he has the rotten orange.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:21

Okay, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:22

I have an orange. It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:23

I just wanted to make some context for our younger viewers who probably don't even know who knows. They don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:28

And that's the other thing, guys. Have y'all been are y'all live music goers? Because now the children are out and they're going to concerts.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:35

And I'm I'm that's great. That is great. Here's what's wrong. Okay, this is why I'm I'm having trouble aging. Are we do we need to stop?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:43

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:44

Okay. It used to be like when you were the youngest person, you could just freely enjoy you didn't have to think. Now, like I'm an older person and there's younger people there. And I'm bitter about it. Not at all. No. No, no, I'm not trying to be an influence. I don't have interns. Um no. It's just like I can't. I'm just like, look at you. You know, like you don't even know this band. What are your 15? You know, it's just like I'm bitter that they probably don't know the band. They're like new to the band. That pisses me off. I'm very territorial. This is going to a dark place, so I'm sorry. All you asked me was my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:21

Did you ever see them when they played at Five Points Music Hall?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:25

Okay, this is gonna depress me. No. Well, I was probably seven. Don't tell me if you were there.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

I never was, but they came probably in like It was like Louie Louis or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:37

Yeah. Shut your f mouth. That was important. I refuse to think about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:45

Back when Matchbox 20 kind of came and played Up Mountain like every other week.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:51

Oh, the 90s were great.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:53

Weren't they terrible for design, but yeah, that's right. 90s were all.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:58

They're back in style apparently, so it's not like I guess if you didn't live through it, it could be cute. If you're a child and you like, you know, the all the clothes in Target are from the 90s, but I think it's an ugly time. Beige overstuffed sofas. You know? Nobody wants to go back to that. What's in there? The ducks are ducks in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:20

We'll just phase, fade out slowly. Um, thank you so much for coming on. Really enjoying it.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:27

I can finally stop thinking that I am an outcast because I've been on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:31

Yeah, and I hope you consider Mark and I your friend as well. Yeah, right? Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:38

I have four friends now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's not be clingy.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:45

Please don't text us as soon as you walk out to your car. When if you know where are you guys hanging out again? Can I be on the side? That could happen, actually. Can I come back?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

Yeah. Thank you so much. All right, so um we do a custom song at the end. Um, and I need you to sing a few. I'm just kidding. That's 100% not happening. Sing a few bars. Yeah. No. I just need a genre for the song.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

You're gonna have to pick a no doubt song.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:14

Well, it's it's a custom-made song, so it's like I just need a genre of music.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:18

Okay, let's do. Are you mystio being recorded or can I be dorky?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:22

You can well you're still being recorded and you can be dorky. Okay. I hate to tell you this. I've been dorky the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:29

Wait, let me stop acting cool for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:32

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:34

Okay, it needs to be, oh god, okay. I'm okay. Do you see what's wrong with me? This is it right now. This is everything that's wrong with me on display. Um, like an upbeat, like a bouncy little reggae thing that's like a no-doubt inspired, bouncy.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:49

It's a skull, like no doubt bounty hunter kind of mashup go over.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:53

Yeah, definitely islandy vibes. He's writing.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:59

Oh, yeah, yeah, because I'm not gonna remember that.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:02

Can you actually send me like five options? No. And I will pick.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:06

That's not I don't want to answer chat, but that's not gonna see. I hope you get it right. And what do we think the chorus should be?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:21

The chorus?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

Are there really words? Yeah, some words you know to throw in there.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

I don't know what's happening now. You're writing a song for my outro? Yeah, with lyrics? Yeah, lyrics. Something about like awkwardness and doubting yourself, and I'll go great with his upbeat kind of crazy thing. Insecurity and um thinking that you don't belong. Imposter syndrome, and a little bit of man hating on top of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:01

Just change it.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

I can't wait to hear how this turns out.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:04

All right. Great.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:04

Oh, you're gonna use AI to do it. Is that what's happening? Yes. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:08

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:09

Now it just makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

We are also browsers and producers and lyricists.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

This podcast will come out three months from now because I gotta write this song. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:19

All right, thank you again for coming out. I'm sorry, I'm a loser. No. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:24

You're great. Thanks, Haley. Thank you. Thanks.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:42

Turn and blank pages into someone's plan. Box and quiet doesn't make the scene still wonder she's what she's meant to be. Maybe not what everyone else says girl. You got this five funny. How the loudest doubt can hide inside the ones who always get it.