Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
A Work is a legitimate and unscripted exchange or sequence within a wrestling match. A Shoot is defined as the planned or scripted elements of a match or storyline
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Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
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The line between reality and fiction in professional wrestling is constantly blurred, and we're here to analyze what's a "work" (planned storyline) versus a "shoot" (unscripted reality) in WWE and beyond.
• Debating whether R-Truth's recent release was legitimate or a scripted storyline
• Analyzing our experience at the Lexington WWE show where CM Punk made a surprise appearance
• Breaking down CM Punk's Saudi Arabia controversy and his public apology
• Discussing Liv Morgan's injury and whether it was incorporated into storytines
• Speculating on potential returns including Roman Reigns bringing back former wrestlers
• Comparing how WWE has improved upon concepts that originated in AEW
• Examining the Aleister Black vs. Damian Priest potential storyline
• Celebrating Smackdown's return to a two-hour format
Keep watching for more Work or Shoot episodes as we continue investigating what's real and what's scripted in professional wrestling. If you have moments you want us to analyze, let us know in the comments!
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Introducing Work or Shoot Podcast
Speaker 1Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, showing Color Productions proudly brings to you. You're probably wondering what we're doing here. This is Work or Shoot. This is Heavy D Noah's in the building. What up Monroe's here? Claybo, yeah, wes. And this is the production from Showing Color. It's the Work or Shoot podcast, where we're focusing pretty much on what we think is a work and what we think is a shoot. And if you don't know what a work or a shoot is, a work is when you are made to think something is real, when it's actually a storyline, and a shoot is when it's actually real but you think it's a storyline, right, guys? Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, pretty much fine on.
Speaker 1Okay, um, so really, where we were at with it the first time and that's where we're going to start is first off. Well, this is going to be before Night of Champions. Night of Champions. Is that what it's called Night of Champions? King of the Ring, clash of Clans.
Speaker 2No wait, Sponsor us that sponsors.
Speaker 1They sponsor Cody Rhodes. Yeah, they do sponsor Cody Rhodes. I don't know what's real and what's not anymore, and I don't know anything. I don't know what's real, what's not anymore and I don't know anything. I don't know what this pay-per-view, what's going on? I have no idea so we'll know more about that later, but right now, um our truth getting released, work or shoot shoot yeah yeah, it was definitely a show how'd you feel?
Speaker 2I think it was a show, yeah yeah, for sure everybody think it real I thought at first me and you spoke about it could have been work, but then after really diving deep into tko is not a wrestling company yeah tko is about numbers. Tko is about business. If something's not working there, drop it, and they're going to listen to the fans and once they realize they fucked up, sorry for cussing um, they're going to pull them back real, real fast. Yeah, and I think that's what they done I think we're all marks.
Speaker 1I'm all the way back there, I'm always going to be there. I think I think everybody's a mark. I think, uh, I think it was all planned, but I will say that's also just a mark in me.
Speaker 2Saying you guys are marks. Can I argue with you a little bit? Yeah, one other reason would be Well, let me say this.
Speaker 1Let me say this before you say that, because I think it's the same point. Okay, that it would be disrespectful to the wrestlers who actually got released.
Speaker 2Yes, that's the only thing. It also screwed, carlito. Carlito screwed himself. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1but he's watching you tweet, yeah.
R-Truth Release: Work or Shoot?
Speaker 2But he's seen our truth tweet and then he's like I'm going to do it too. Speaking of Carlito.
Speaker 4Which part about him.
Speaker 1We're going to go see him.
Speaker 4Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1We're going to go see him. Oh yeah, absolutely, we're going to go see him.
Speaker 4We got some Carlito figures.
Speaker 3We're going to get signed.
Speaker 2When are we seeing him? Sorry, we don't have one for you.
Speaker 1Yeah, august, yeah, in Corbin, corbin, kentucky.
Speaker 2Corbin.
Speaker 1Kentucky. Yeah, amw show. Come on the podcast. Kyle Maggardin, promote that show.
Speaker 2I do like the posted, like that, that picture of him.
Speaker 1It was like almost like a aw thing instead of him saying them saying carlito was all in there like carlito's aw, yeah, um, so everybody, I mean, that was really where we wanted to be with our truth. Yeah, uh, ronald killings, actually ron killings, ron killings, uh, oh, I think those shirts are coming in. I'm ron, those shirts are coming in. I'm driving now. The Ron Cena shirts are coming in. I'm driving now. I'm your captain now. I have a hard time with that. Actually, you got the Ron Cena shirts.
Speaker 4Yeah, we got the Ron Cena shirts. They were sold out by the time I could look at them.
Speaker 1Well, we had them and then they got dropped off the website and my authorization. It was like pending. It went back to pending and then, when he come back into the company, they released him again. I was like, oh okay, so worker shoot.
Speaker 2Them losing a ton of money on the internet without the shirts. I know the reason why I said it was a shoot.
Speaker 1They lost a ton of money, they pulled the shirts off the internet. Yeah, I know Whatever. Let's just talk about this women's match that we just watched. Guys, you're the one that wanted to watch it. Yeah, you watched that.
Speaker 4No we're talking about the Julia match.
Speaker 1The Julia match is really bad. Wes is on the L train for the Julia's awesome thing right now because that match sucked. You know who's better? Roxanne Turn off the red light. Roxanne Turn off the red light, she's better.
Speaker 2She's better.
Speaker 1And hotter. I know you're having a hard time with it. No, it's like Clay is the only opinion that matters on the case it's cause she looks 15 and Clay is 15. That's why it matters, I guess um, so the pay per view coming up is not a champion not a champions with king of the ring, with king of the ring winners, which was last year, was not a champions, not a champion, not a champion.
Speaker 1With King of the Ring, with King of the Ring, winners, winners, right, which was last year, was not a champion with the belt right.
Speaker 3No, that was Crown Jewel.
Speaker 1What was not a champion last year? There wasn't one King of the Ring. No, was there not a champion? Or was King?
Speaker 4of the Ring.
Speaker 1No, it was King of the Ring instead of not a champion.
Speaker 2See it confused me. What are we doing? So last year was an actual King of the Ring, yeah, but the Crown Jewel, like winners, win that big Saudi million dollar belt. It's in Australia, but now they move Crown Jewel to Australia, so is Saudi's not going to give them their belts to hold around in Australia?
Speaker 1I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 4No. Especially because that belt is like a million dollar belt, it's just sitting in a vault.
Speaker 1Nobody ever wears it, nobody ever puts it on. What happened that?
Speaker 2voice break.
Speaker 3Vault, vault. That was awesome. We're going to. Let's clip that, clip it Vault.
Lexington Show and CM Punk Promo
Speaker 1Voice lift Bye, he's back Shoes. Make me run so fast. It was just a zen moment. Must be PF Flyers, you know what it is. Yeah nobody else knows it's fine Punk, the great Bambino and the greatest of all time and the best in the world, just cut maybe one of the better promos. The last two promos they've had have been just lights out promos and they're sick. And let's say that we were at one of them.
Speaker 3We was at lexington we were in lexington we got the.
Speaker 1We got the, the merch, the lexan merch gear and got the. Got to see it all. We had good seats and it was awesome. The whole damn damn crew was there. It was the only way to go to a show is the way we went to a show. We've seen the never seen 17, greatest of all time, graced us with his presence one last time. It was perfect. It was awesome. Chef's kiss, yeah. Seen some good matches too. We've seen Marty Clay from AMW Shout out to Marty.
Speaker 2We watched Dark Match while you guys were in line, We've seen Marty Clay yeah.
Speaker 1From AMW. Shout out to Marty. Shout out to.
Speaker 2AMW we watched Dark Match while you guys were in line.
Speaker 1Well, I was the only one willing to stand in line 64 hours to get people's stuff. I'm just saying I was in line, I wasn't giving you guys hell.
Speaker 2I was just saying there's going to be a Bloodline member coming.
Speaker 1We missed it.
Speaker 4Yeah, we missed the debut of of. Uh. I was literally me and west passed each other at the curtain.
Speaker 1He was coming back and he's catching it and I heard the music and I just turned back and see his name on the screen and I was like get out of here hey, let's shout out jake, jake, oh, jake, jake, jake, the mcdonald's line cook, jake, uh, the old school cm punk jacket on had the spinner belt, man, and you ain't never seen nobody happy you ain't never seen that spinner belt. He was so happy to show everybody that spinner belt man. He was like every little kid, he was like yo.
Speaker 3Look at the spinner belt and the little kid was like, can I touch it?
Speaker 1and he was like, yeah, dude, spin it. And they'd spin it. He'd be like that's'd spin it. And he'd be like that's cool, ain't it? And they'd be like yeah, and he'd be like all right, and he'd take his belt back, he'd just do that over and over and over. And it was awesome because he ain't wrong. It was so cool.
Speaker 2And we just hung out the whole time.
Speaker 1Yeah, and I don't remember his name. Um army vet. Thanks for your service. Uh, thank you, I think we can do that. Cause Pat McAfee's cancelled. I don't think he's cancelled. Oh, wes is getting up, he's in. Uh, you want me to cancel this? You want me to delete this part?
Speaker 2upper dicker upper dicker.
Speaker 1Hey yo, hey yo, um, but yeah, the that show was awesome. Shout out, jake shout out. Jake, if you comment on the video, if you remember us, if you listen to it we told you what the name of it was we're never going to see him again. We'll never see him again. We might as well be dead. We might see him at McDonald's. What is he like, michigan? No, where do you say he's from there?
Speaker 2you don't even know where's that county or something casey county. Where's the county?
Speaker 1yeah, you don't know, in kentucky I don't know, you don't know you're no help to me.
Speaker 2I had more fun he was. He was at the last two lake and then chose okay, whatever.
Speaker 1yeah, I had more fun watching. He was at the last two Lakeland shows Okay, whatever.
Speaker 2I had more fun watching my kids' reactions.
Speaker 1Oh man.
Speaker 2They were awesome.
Speaker 1Yeah, I was looking over them the whole time, watching them. They were a good time.
Speaker 2And when this, we did not think CM Punk was there. We did not think he was there. He was not anywhere to be seen. So hot. And the funny thing was was when, when john cena came out that second time uh, clay remembers it, me and clay were sitting there and john cena was mouthing off and colt leaned over to me and went all I said no, bub, he's not here. And and Clay was like there's no way. And then all of a sudden the music clicked and we were like what the hell?
Speaker 1My six-year-old had a better hot take and he predicted it all Clay's, the one that has the correct takes around here, it ain't me. I never have a right take. I throw like a million at the wall and none of them are right. That's the first time clay was like. Someone beat me to the. The hot take like beat him to the prediction. All right, work or shoot punk hate in saudi arabia.
Punk's Saudi Arabia Controversy
Speaker 1You get the question right, because yeah because he got, because because he had like an apology thing today yeah which seems like just a secondary level to selling out yeah, hey, I'm not here to make friends bro, I'm here to make money, I know. Hey, yeah, hey, shit talks and money walks. Yeah, they know, they know, you know that's the way it is. Yeah, I think shoot.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a shoot. He does hate saudi I think it's a shoot. He does hate Saudi.
Speaker 1I think it's a shoot 100%. Go at it, my man. It's a work, bro.
Speaker 3He's going to say whatever he has to do to make that money and get in there.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think it's a shoot though that's a shoot.
Speaker 3No, it's work. It don't mean anything. He's just going to say whatever he has to.
Speaker 1Yeah, you More perceiving as a shoot. I don't know Either way. Either way, they booed him. He actually hates Saudi.
Speaker 2That's how I feel he walked in and they started booing, and all he had to do was shake one of their hands to say sorry and they all started cheering. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's the best in the world.
Speaker 4My opinion on him coming out as Thuganomics Dude. Let's get ready to say it him coming out as Thuganomics Dude. I saw online that at the kickoff they was booing Punk.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4I feel like I wonder if that was a last minute change to win the crowd back over.
Speaker 1No, no, no. They booed him for like two seconds and then he shook a dude's hand and apologized. I didn't get to catch the kickoff.
Speaker 2Basically, there was one guy in the crowd saying you should apologize and he announced it. He's like this guy right here says I need to apologize for my remarks and he was like listen, it was nothing to do with you guys, it was nothing to do. I woke up in a crabby mood.
Speaker 1I was pissed at the Miz.
Speaker 2I was pissed at the Miz. I was just directing it towards the Miz Again. Miz, I'm sorry. And what's your name? Muhammad, Move out of the way, Let me get over here. And he walked down there and shook his head and said I'm Saudi Arabia. Everybody start cheering and then they start chanting CM Punk.
Speaker 1He's so over. If I can do it and you can do it and you can do it, everybody can do it. That's rocky.
Speaker 2That was really bad, but it was rocky I don't know when did he get a middle eastern accent?
Speaker 1hey, I got an idea shut up, let me get a.
Speaker 3What, what, what used to like yeah, I don't know what happened there. That was awful, um punk in saudi arabia.
Speaker 1So and then the thug life tonight. Punk life, yes, punk life. I don't know what was going on when the music hit I got a video of you. Your mouth dropped yeah, and then I was like, oh, that's sick. That's sick. There's so much work put into that, though I don't know how long that's been planned, because I feel like they've been working on that. I mean, he didn't just come up with those bars on the spot. You know what I mean. No, no, no, he'd be rapping.
Speaker 2So the two last promos with Cena's pipe bomb and that one yeah, there had to be some big-time work, because all those lines were memorized, yeah, there's no way that cena could just come up off the top of his head with that whole. I mean, it was exactly like the pop bomb yeah, I thought the rock was there you thought the rock was there?
Speaker 1yeah, that's what I thought was going on.
Speaker 2No, he's dead no, he's not dead. He's in a muscle suit being Maui 3 or whatever.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're right, you're right. I don't know what that was. Was that a Maui sound?
Speaker 2That was a Maui sound.
Speaker 1I've actually never seen it. It's kind of wild. It's kind of wild. It did sound like Yoshi. That's what I thought it was Every time I heard, it was yeah, every time I heard it. We're off topic. Yeah, oh, we're not that off topic. Mario Kart and wrestling are pretty much the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2I thought Yoshi always sounded like he was taking a shit Because he'd go.
Speaker 1Speaking of Yoshi Nakamura Tatsu.
Speaker 2Well, I was going nakamura tatsu well, uh I was gonna say oscar.
Speaker 1No, that's not oscar, it's asker. He called her. I've never seen a promo saved by somebody who can't speak english yeah right, but if jade is the only one cutting that promo, what is going on? Like it's awful, also, worker, shoot oscar, just kicks everybody in the head, dude, she's so stiff. She just kicks everybody in the head all the time like it ain't even, it's not even, like there's nothing not real about it. It's like kicking swinging over the head. You good, I was going, you trashed it's, it's, it's different.
Speaker 2like they're stiff, like you're not ready for them. But like when Jey Uso does it with the whole super kick, when you actually see the slow-mo's, their opponents are getting paid to be like, hey, you're going to actually take one so we can get that shot, like Cody's took one Freaking Logan Paul.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And like those are real, those are real kicks that they were taking and they're getting paid to take those kicks.
Speaker 1Side note follow the figs Logan Paul's got Old segment from Sean Culler. Logan Paul's got a few figures coming out.
Speaker 2Also Watch out for him getting a title. J-wissel's got the ultimate coming out.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2He's actually got an ultimate. He's got an Ultimate in that gear.
Speaker 1It's because your kids will buy all the JSO gear that comes out.
Speaker 2We got new ones, every bit of it. We got new ones this week, I know all of it, but we got the Classic J and Jimmy, but the new Ultimate J is coming out. And then there's a new Basic with the same gear from the Ultimate, except it's the Basic, you know, plastic.
Speaker 1Clay, yeah you do, yeah you do, yeah you do injury. Oh the live, yeah, live worker shoot her injury. Yeah, hers and dom's and everybody's all at once.
Speaker 2Yeah, anything with lives, I think is a shoot, because they had to completely rework evolution.
Speaker 4Yeah, they've had to rewrite the whole thing okay and hell, they took her out of the fanatics fest.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah okay, so let me rephrase clay's question uh, workers shoot kairi sane, hurting her no, or that's a word, that's a work. That's a work. Right, that was them getting that. She was hurt somewhere else. Yeah, and that spot was so early in that match because they had to get her out.
Speaker 2Yeah they had to that's what.
Speaker 1Yeah, they had to get her out. That's what I thought too. Okay, I wasn't totally sure because I've not, like, replayed the spot and looked at a bunch, but it seemed like she was already hurt.
Speaker 2Well, her injury is legit.
Speaker 1They also might be playing something there with Kairi Sane. There might be something they're playing on with Kairi.
Speaker 2Sane, hurting people Could be, Did she hurt Zoe Stark too?
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2They could be playing, she didn't hurt.
Speaker 1Zoe Stark, but Zoe Stark got hurt in the match with her, and so that might be a thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3I don't know, it might be a thing.
Speaker 1they play on I don't know Also Punk saying Cena's buried more superstars than Undertaker.
Speaker 2Also so cold Mad about.
Speaker 1So cold about also mentioned them rehiring his ex. I gotta think it's stupid that she's in the company.
Speaker 2No, I think that she got rehired to push Evolution.
Speaker 1Evolution.
Speaker 4Yeah, we know that that's on my birthday by the way, I personally think it's because of that big split up or divorce she went through.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 4I said she has to make money because he won the.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, she's what I said.
Speaker 4I said she has to make money because he won the.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, she paying him. She has to pay him spousal support and child support because she makes more money than he does.
Damian Priest vs. Aleister Black
Speaker 1Makes sense. I love him. Hey, wino sent me a message. He said he can't. He can't be on the show, but he wants, wants us to know that. Uh, why? No takes, goldberg gonna get that title and west likes boys. That's the two things he wants us to know. Never mind wayne might have the worst take. Yeah, uh, if goldberg gets the title, we right. I do not think that's going to happen, unless Seth's going to cash in immediately, which would suck that. We're going to get a money in the bank, cash in already. Listen, we all knew Naomi wasn't going to get it tonight.
Speaker 2We all knew that was fake. Why is Wayne going after me saying I like boys, he's one of the Work or shoot?
Speaker 4ain't going after me saying I like boys, he's one of the worker. Shoot what, what I don't know. Vince mcmahon, uh, in the limo vince mcmahon uh died.
Speaker 1That was a replacement. That was a replacement. Vince mcmahon illuminati man in the show yeah, I actually bought a christmas wall figure this weekend. It was a replacement, vince.
Speaker 4McMahon.
Speaker 1Illuminati.
Speaker 3Man of the Show.
Speaker 1Yeah, I actually bought a Christmas wall figure this weekend it was a really good deal. I bought it for like five bucks, super good. I was like, oh look, I was with my sister. I was like, hey look, this guy killed his whole family.
Speaker 2And he's got his head twisted around backwards to show the Bowflex magic.
Speaker 1Bowflex Master Series Got you there. So what are the matches at um? King of the crown nightmare. So no, no, no. What are the matches that were cancelled? That's what I want to know Dom and. Aj, yep, which sucks because that feels like that was going to set up, like Finn interfering or Dom's matches or Dom's injuries legit too.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was going to do a worker shoot. Dom's injury is legit too. Yeah, I was going to do a work or shoot Dom's injury.
Speaker 1But that's legit.
Speaker 2It's legit, yeah, and I will say they're smart because he's going to be the next champion.
Speaker 3Who Dom yeah they got to keep him.
Speaker 2If there's any minute chance that he could get taken out, taken out it destroys their whole storyline for the next year or so.
Speaker 1I'm starting to get off of the fans bowing Dom on the mic.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Because I actually sometimes want to hear him talk. I think that stopped for a little while.
Speaker 3It's going to stop. It's stopping.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think it'll stop.
Speaker 3Good call, Bill Clay.
Speaker 1Good call, they'll figure out a way to get that to stop. Go, yeah, I think it'll stop. Good call, bill Clay. Good call, they'll figure out a way to get that to stop. I'm going to go. One Saudi's crowd is better than American crowds.
Speaker 2Any crowd is better than American crowds, except when they say one, two, three, because it sounds like they say seven, eight, nine.
Speaker 1That's just you probably. Our crowd was pretty good. We were in it. It's because we were in it. We, we started a couple of hallway chants. We got a pretty good. Let's Go, cena.
Speaker 2We was on TV.
Speaker 1Yeah, we were on TV a little bit Wes and his kids mostly, and Noah were on TV. So we went, the only way you should go. We bought like a whole row, we bought seats one through nine. Miraculously, though, it was awesome.
Speaker 2It was amazing. Yeah, I can't believe we got them.
Speaker 1Because we bought them separately. It's amazing we got them. It was the only way to go. When you're getting up to get something to eat or drink, there's always somebody else there, or you don't have to get up and let strangers let you out. It was awesome. Rhino was there too. He was right up above us. I don't get a lot of people there. I'd say like 30 people in line.
Speaker 2Yeah, some of Luke's classmates were there.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Bumped into us.
Speaker 1Was pretty good. That promo was awesome. I don't know if that one was better or if last week or this week was good. It's going to be some of the best work. It feels like MJF stuff, mjf Cena stuff yeah or MJF punk stuff. I know y'all want to talk about this. Sammy vs Karrion. Let's go. You got mine and Wes's guts rumbling for it. Listen, uh. Who do you think is going to win that match with? The devil yeah, that's what everybody thinks yeah, absolutely, I think.
Speaker 2I want to show you who the real devil is.
Speaker 1I think they have to have. I think Karrion has to win it, but like I could see Sammy turning to win and beating him turning to win and then he turns, turning and beating him, turning to win.
Speaker 2He turns and then beats Karrion and then Karrion just sits there and claps and smiles and he laughs, yeah, and he's happy about it.
Speaker 1There you are, yeah there you are, missed that.
Speaker 3Hot take, but Karrion won't take back bumps. Watch him in the match tomorrow night, huh.
Speaker 1Why not really?
Speaker 4I saw that as well, and I'm waiting to see if that is true.
Speaker 1Oh, shoot Because I've never noticed. I've never noticed either.
Speaker 3Why Any back bump? He's landing on his feet.
Speaker 1Well, we'll see. Hmm, Sounds good. We ought to write that down. I mean, to be honest, there has to be a reason that he does. I know it's crazy, but there has to be a reason. He's not in a match all the time Because you don't have to have a huge storyline for them to put you in matches. They just throw people in all the time Because they get somebody they like and they're like let's just do this. He doesn't have to have a big one.
Speaker 1So I figured there's probably something that holds him back from being there, but it's not his wife or his promos. Both of those things are premium.
Speaker 2Maybe it's Jimmy over there in the corner. He's asleep.
Speaker 1Jimmy Can't hang.
Speaker 4We got ourselves a nodder A nodder.
Speaker 1Anyway, Smackdown's going back to two hours.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1We get a little applause for that. We're really happy about that, because me and Clay generally sleep through the third hour, like really Really the first hour. Monroe's here most of the time when we're watching it. Yeah, we're asleep in the third hour, bro.
Speaker 3Oh, absolutely, you are too. I am too. We're all crashed in the third hour bro.
Speaker 1Oh, absolutely, you are too. I am too. We're all crashed in the third hour.
Speaker 2We're all dead. We're totally gone. I'm snoring.
Speaker 1Wes is home asleep. He don't even come over for Smackdown, usually because he's got to work the next day and he's like dude, it's so late I'm not coming over Unless his kids are here.
Speaker 3Though Dusty's.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're good with it. Yeah, it's fine, you're good with the Saudi Arabia pay-per-views. What was the one that was 3 am? Where was that? Australia? Yeah, perth. So we're getting that again then that was Illuminati Champions.
Speaker 3So.
Speaker 1Night of Champions will be Crown Jewel, perth, crown Jewel, god Jesus.
Speaker 2Get me out of here. It's like the figures. We tribal nightmare, tribal nightmare.
Speaker 1American Chief. I love those. Um, yeah, that'll be at 3am. Me and Clay do the same thing. We'll get up at 3 in the morning, make breakfast. We'll get up at 2 o'clock, make breakfast. Uh, watch the pay-per-view, go back to bed, get up, eat some more breakfast we're obsessed with wrestling yeah, come over.
Speaker 3I drove over here. Last time, yeah, monroe was here, I was here, we're obsessed with wrestling say less, I'll be here yeah, we eat, sleep, breathe, baby.
Speaker 1I tell people all the time and I told them in line with like these the dudes, and like I'd be talking about stuff, and you could tell pretty much the level of fandom that people have when you're just like talking to them, like what they know, like we obviously know more than you do, yeah, but that's just because the age you've not consumed as much as we have, like in 20 years, you're gonna know more than everybody else. Yeah, but the guy behind us didn't know a ton.
Speaker 1The army guy yeah and I'd be talking and he'd be, he'd have like no fucking idea what I was talking about. I was like, oh yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, this is my life, jake did I didn't mean to make it my entire persona, but it is is jake, anything about it, huh jake. Jake got it all right. Actually he laughed all yeah, I think he liked us a little too much.
Speaker 3I think we were like his best friends it happened real quick.
WWE vs. AEW: Copying and Improving
Speaker 1The guy behind us was like I thought you. When I was like you guys are never going to see us again, he was like I thought you guys knew him because he was hanging out with us. Jake was, and he was like no, we have no fucking idea who this guy is. He's literally just met this guy. He's like you guys act like you're best friends. I was like oh, we are best friends. He's got a spinner belt. He lets me go woo and his fans it's awesome, you wanna do it, he'll let you. Wrestling fans are so nice. Wrestling fans are the best man.
Speaker 4Really, though, I am upset that we didn't get to have the joining on, the fun waiting in line and everything, though.
Speaker 1Yeah, we had a good time waiting in line actually, but we didn't wait in line. We did talk to somebody who did, but we didn't wait in line for the Cody Rhodes Wheatley. Cody Rhodes was signing Wheatley bottles at the Liquor Barn in Versailles.
Speaker 2We didn't feel like, yeah, one of Colt's Little League teammates was there.
Speaker 1Said they got there at like 5 am and got them signed at 1 pm.
Speaker 3I was like I'm good.
Speaker 1I'll order one off the internet.
Speaker 2We buy it for $60.
Speaker 1All those people that were in line there a bunch are just going to have them on the internet for $60 later. I'm just going to order it. It's fine, mercari, they're probably on the internet. Right now I can just buy one.
Speaker 2I'll tell you what the best deal is.
Speaker 1I'll be like we stood in line nine hours for it.
Speaker 2The best deal that we made in the last two weeks was that skateboard deck behind you.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, check that. I mean Gene Hoagland, chris Roberts, that is so hard, love it. Ollie's like four bucks, five bucks.
Speaker 2Super nice. Yeah, you can go get one.
Speaker 1Yeah, really nice. Yep, it's going to go in the studio, if that ever happens.
Speaker 3We got to get back into wrestling.
Speaker 2I got one for you. We got to get back into wrestling.
Speaker 1Oh, oh we're not talking about wrestling, that's wrestling. Lead us on, son. So our truth Ron, he's cool the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You know, what's funny is that's almost Bret Hart. Yeah, like best there is best there was best there ever will be. I'm driving now Because it works. I do think it's going to take a little while for him to get serious.
Speaker 2I don't think he has driver's license.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, work or shoot R-Truth, being a gangster R-Truth.
Speaker 2He was buddies with Tupac. No, he's an actual. There's an actual picture of him and Tupac.
Speaker 1He was a rapper. He was in the rap world, he was trying to rap Like. That's why his gimmick as a rapper is because he actually is a rapper. I can't take him serious right now.
Speaker 3I can't take him serious, but it still works.
Speaker 1Well, yeah, it's fine. I'm okay with him. Keep wearing the black, that stuff, that's all we can think about. And go dust and yeah. But but then if you think about his tna stuff, he was mean as hell in tna he was awesome, first first black, uh nwa champion yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, which is crazy. Do you ever see that match? Good, call it's in the history books yeah, do you see that match?
Speaker 4I don't know if I have uh watched it his finishers that uh flatliner or axe kick from the top rope.
Speaker 1Yeah, he won that match with a roll-up. I think, though, which is solid, best move in all of wrestling baby.
Speaker 2Him and Aleister Black's having a rivalry now, I guess oh yeah, and I'm here for that. I don't know if it's going to. I think they're going to segue it. What do you mean? Where are they going to go with it? Aleister versus Damien DP. What do you mean?
Speaker 1Where are they going?
Speaker 2to go with it. Alistair versus Damien.
Speaker 3DP yeah, they did say they would. Alistair Black did say they was even.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's true. I guess that makes us even.
Speaker 2I think it's going to be him and Dame, I love.
Speaker 1Alistair, by the way.
Speaker 2I'm all about him.
Speaker 1I'm all about him all the time. I love the rocks. Yeah, spinning back, kick it's. So why don't anybody do that Like?
Speaker 4oh yeah, no one just knows how to take it.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're right. Also, his wife shouldn't wear a bodysuit. It was winking at me.
Speaker 3Yeet.
Speaker 2Yeet, yeet. We missed both the yeets.
Speaker 1Yeah, it wasn't even there. It's fine. Ah, that was pretty impressive. Welcome back.
Speaker 2Jimmy. Oh my God, we got little.
Speaker 1Jimmy here, he's joining the show. Little Jimmy, you got anything to say, little Jimmy? His name's not Jimmy. Damien and Alistair will rock.
Speaker 2Oh my.
Speaker 1God, whoa Brutal, brutal Clyde cleared out the room. Everybody in here shook at the same time. Oh my God, I really hope this is the episode Jake listens to. This is the one that will get him there. It's really good. God Work or shoot Clay. Shit his pants. Oh God, that's a shoot.
Speaker 4That's a shoot.
Speaker 3That's a shit. That's a shit. Smells like Bigfoot's dick.
Speaker 2Smells like a turd covered in burnt hair. I mean, if I ever had to imagine what Otis is. It's worse. I'm sorry. Otis's onesie smells like it has to be after he gets done.
Speaker 1That's gross Working man.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, baby.
Speaker 1Okay, what other work and shoot worker shoot. I'm trying to think what we covered last time, that um uh, last time. This is the first episode all right, I'm not gonna pretend like it didn't happen that worker shoot. This show was supposed to debut two, three weeks ago and we recorded an episode and the data corrupted, all right.
Speaker 2Literally from point A to point B. Work or shoot. Yeah, did the data corrupt or did Dusty just F up?
Speaker 1You know it's to be determined. I was pretty tired and there were some moments from point A to point B to where I'm not sure what I necessarily done. I don't know. It's not there, though. That's what I know, and I know that it's unrecoverable. Unless you're the FBI. Nobody's listened this far. I don't think. No, we don't have any listeners here. Any more listeners here? Please comment and say you're still listening.
Speaker 2And back to the show. And back to the show.
Speaker 1This is brought to you by Dude Wipes. Clay Sparks brought to you by Dude Wipes. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2It's so bad man.
Speaker 1This isn't even about wrestling um so I was gonna say in other news uh, trying to get so many people at this table lined up to get some wrestling training Noah's Noah's looking at doing some Clay's looking at doing some people just wanna get in the ring and take bumps. Me and Wes are too old, so we're not going to do it. No.
Speaker 4I really do, though, just one good one. I'll give chops all day though.
Speaker 1I take one bump, let me knock my window down, and then I'll go back home. Yeah, shout out Marty, shout out Marty, yeah, yeah, what?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was bad, that was rough. We chopped everybody that night, but that's the only one we recorded. Everybody got their bones out when I stepped up. I hope we find those home videos and we'll do a whole Worker Shoot episode on.
Speaker 4Of your home video.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh my gosh those rock, dude, those rock.
Speaker 4I swear to God they're good. I would pay to see them.
Speaker 1I'll find them. I swear, I'll find them.
Speaker 2One of them has porn over top of it, the Iceman cometh.
Speaker 1The Iceman cometh. That's it, man. You got a big mouth, John Gino.
Speaker 3It's in here.
Speaker 1KYJ. I showed Clay that clip the other day for the first time. Are we still on?
Speaker 2Yeah, we are. Can I really ask? Ask it, did anyone like appreciate Zelina Vega's outfit ring gear coming out as a Cobra? Did you realize it was a Cobra?
Speaker 1Yeah, I knew it was a Cobra. Did I appreciate it? I don't know what you mean. Really, I thought it was cool for like six seconds, not even six seconds, like three, three seconds.
Speaker 2And then I was like, oh wait, that's stupid, take it off it kind of looked like, uh, one of the toys you could have a claw machine exactly what it looked like I don't even know if it was cool, it was, it was neat that's what it was.
Speaker 1It was neat, right oh neat, neat I guess like the saudi arabia, like the cobra thing, I guess, like like persia you know, I mean like I Cobra thing I guess, like Persia, you know.
Speaker 2I mean, I guess I get it.
Speaker 1Y'all might call me crazy for this.
Speaker 4We're talking about it.
Speaker 1We talk about it the best nine match I've seen. Yeah, you glazed that match. I don't know what the reason was If you're just obsessed with Tiffany Stratton and you're blind to everything else I guess I just love. No, I took two good spots, but she also blew three good spots the kendo sticks hogan kendo, don't the kid her touching with that her touching that kendo stick was funny assume the controls hogan maybe I just like last woman standing matches. Yeah, I thought that was cool, the her falling through the tables. Three tables.
Speaker 2It was a double triple power bomb.
Speaker 1We get a street fight tomorrow too.
Speaker 3Who's street fight? Who's the street fight, raquel?
Speaker 1Oh nice, Big girl street fight Nice. Is that an intermission?
Speaker 3No, not intermission, doesn't smell like it.
Speaker 1No, I'll be watching the match Intermission no. Not intermission Doesn't smell like it. No Mommy's in that. I like Raquel, I do too. Yeah, I think she was really good in NXT.
Speaker 4Yeah, she's good she was.
Speaker 1Gonzalez, right yeah.
Speaker 3She was in NXT.
Speaker 1Intermission matches. I guess this is the feeler. I mean, I don't know. It's weird. There's only two champion matches and not of champions. Yeah, there's supposed to be more. Where's Does Braun have Braun Breaker doing anything? Does he have a match? Oh, he just spears people.
Speaker 4Now He'll him and they'll be interviewing at some point.
Speaker 1You just know they are so.
Speaker 2Luke has had a good hot take.
Speaker 1Oh, I want to hear it. We should have a hot takes by Lucas segment. It's just random. They're all random.
Speaker 2But he was talking about how great the spears are from Ron Breaker with doing in the middle of the moves. And he looked at me today and said, dad, why don't they do a spot where someone's doing a Swam Tom not Swam Tom, I'm sorry a moonsault, and he catches?
Speaker 1them with a spear, while they're upside down so they do that, but it's got to be somebody specific like Gable yeah but I was like.
Speaker 2once he said it though, I was like, oh my God, I want to see it, because he speared them in the middle of every other body.
Speaker 1It'd have to be Gable.
Speaker 2Yeah, he'd be the only one that would take that, but dude, it would not be great yeah, we have an RKO out of a moonsault. Yeah, but it's a spear no, it'd be gross yeah.
Speaker 1That's what I said. It has to be somebody who doesn't care if they die Like Gable.
Speaker 2Well, Gable's hurt.
Speaker 1Yeah, Gable's hurt, that's a shoot right, that's a shoot.
Speaker 2They wrote him. Well, it was. That scene was a write-off. Which one?
Speaker 1The disarm is a girl's move. That's why it's called Disarm Her.
Speaker 4Well, what's the Penta move? I think Disarm Her is just a play on the disarm her.
Speaker 1Yeah, but the Penta one's called the Execution or some shit. So what's the deal?
Speaker 4with.
Speaker 1Ludwig Kaiser picking in on Gable?
Speaker 4I actually don't know, I thought he was going to get released.
Speaker 1I thought he wasn't going to wrestle anymore.
Speaker 2I really thought he'd be gone. I think he just popped up and was like huh, they can't get me off now.
Speaker 1I don't know. I bet his underwear are lower next time, definitely. The only thing I know for sure is Ludwig Kaiser's entire torso is going to be showing no matter what, I think he's a Ken doll.
Speaker 2I don't think there's nothing there.
Speaker 1Have you been watching? Have you ever watched wrestling with us when Louisville Kaiser's around? Do you know what we're talking about?
Speaker 4Yeah, when he was in the background and they're in the well, no, but I mean our take on his our take on his shorts.
Speaker 1He wears his shorts lower than anybody. Like they're at the base of it, like his shorts are. It's the craziest. They're almost no fabric at all. It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3It makes his torso look, I'm telling you he's a king dog, yeah.
Speaker 1It makes him look 100 foot tall.
Speaker 4There's nothing there. Yeah, okay, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Like on a normal person, you would see his pubes, but he's shaped, yeah.
Speaker 2But that's what he's talking about. He talks all the time like I don't know. I don't ever know what he's talking about?
Speaker 1is you talk too much there? You go dang no more baby oh no more baby oh I think clay, clay learned. Clay heard that like three weeks ago.
Speaker 3He's been saying every day no, you sold that to me at Nannies. Oh yeah, work or shoot Montreal, screw job.
Speaker 1Oh, that's where we're at. You're going way back.
Speaker 2We're way back.
Speaker 1That's a work. I'm going to always say it's a work. I'm going to always say it's a work because they made too much money off of it for it to be a shoot. However, it does feel kind of like the stuff backstage felt so real like the triple, like the triple h shit. Like at that point nobody ever called him paul and and brent's wife back there just been like you knew, paul, you knew, like I know you knew and like sean was. Like sean was upset, like wasn't even holding the bell, he was was like I swear to God, it wasn't. I swear to God, I didn't know he was going to do it.
Jericho's Potential WWE Return
Speaker 2Where's my line, zach? Someone give me a line, hurry yeah somebody give me a line.
Speaker 1Clay don't really know what we're talking about. We've done this before on Sean Keller. We've showing color um books. Man, what do you? What do you think? What do you think? Monroe the one that's that asked the question you think? It's all work, it's all for the money yeah, it was the first real like hard work. It felt like what do you think? You still think it's a shoot, the the child with the backstage stuff it.
Speaker 4It's like, that's definitely a shoot, but that's a very valid point you got though I just don't know why, why they would keep the camera.
Speaker 1I always think that my rules in wrestling are uh, if they keep the camera on it or if they talk about it, it's not real. Like the. The two things like if they talk about it, it's not real, go ahead, go ahead. They replayed Luke Morgan's injury. I'm just saying I know, I know, I know and the KO thing. I'm going to come off that a little bit because that's probably real. That's probably real.
Speaker 2Again, though, triple H knows the rules, and he knows how to blend them.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're not wrong. Are you ready? Yeah, I mean, that's definitely what he does.
Speaker 2He knows how to do it.
Speaker 1He knows how to play Well that's what they said even back then when he first did it. Even the Montreal Screwjob that felt like DX. You know what I mean? It wasn't, but that's what it felt like the whole time, which is just ironic that now they really are running it all and NXT might be better than the main brand. Let's put some respect on Cody Rhodes. I don't think we ever do it. We don't put respect on Cody Rhodes because it's obvious that he's just the captain.
Speaker 2My shirt says it, not this one I'm wearing.
Speaker 1No, I know, but two months ago we were like man, wwe kind of sucks right now, like it was kind of down, everybody was kind of off it. Who comes back, cody comes back and everything's better. Like I mean, he just has to be there, we're just missing one part.
Speaker 2Fingers in the air. He ain't going to be there for long. Otc.
Speaker 1OTC, otc.
Speaker 4But the thing is he won't be coming back as the tribal chief, Nope. So what's?
Speaker 2he going to be. They are workshopping new monikers for him. What is it going to be, I wonder. I don't know.
Speaker 4Sonic Boom. It just goes back to that leaky name.
Speaker 2You get that Now. With that being said, they're changing his moniker, his name, but also he's not going to be here for long because shooting for the movie he got cast, if nobody knows, in the Street Fighter movie. But they said they start shooting in August.
Speaker 1So he's coming back for SummerSlam doing a couple spots and then he's going straight to shooting that movie side note all time your wife will watch this action movie with you movie Street Fighter because it has Jason Momoa and Roman Reigns in it and your wife will watch that.
Speaker 1In case she gives a confirming nod, she's like you're right, we'll watch it, no matter what's going on. They're going to fight At some point. Jason Momoa and Roman Reigns are going to have a fight, and it's going to be in something like a wrestling ring, and it's going to be Jason Momoa, Roman Reigns, Alan Richardson. Oh, right yeah.
Speaker 2Allen.
Speaker 1Richardson yeah, who's he play Guile?
Speaker 2Walt Goggins yeah, he's not hot or anything.
Speaker 1Wow, that's so good. Winston Duke what are you talking about? Winston Duke's going to be in it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2Winston Duke's going to be in it. I don't know who that is man Bafa, that Winston Duke's going to be in it. I don't know who that is, man Bafa.
Speaker 1That didn't help. From Black Panther oh, okay, okay, I was like man, what are you talking about? That's the only line he had in the whole movie. I just want to know who the characters are, Like I know.
Speaker 2What else we got? Momo was playing Blanca.
Speaker 1Momo was playing Blanca, so he's going to be green Nice.
Speaker 2Is it like live?
Speaker 3action.
Speaker 1Yeah, it'll be cool. No, it won't. It'll actually probably suck. It'll be really cheesy, it'll be trash, but cool, we'll watch it. What else Wes? What else we got.
Speaker 2We also got the debut of what's her new name? Blake blake monroe, like monroe mariah may yeah I like what they're doing with her. Also. It's a another hey, wwe is better than so. They're kind of pinning her as timeless Toni Storm, but instead of being in the 20s, she's in the 60s.
Speaker 1Time out. This is going to be the only AEW talk, I promise. Why does Mercedes-Benz not have so many titles? What the fuck is going on? What is happening? Are we the only people that know she's bad? I'm serious. The only person I could think about that had those titles was Kenny Omega did it, I think. But Ultimo Dragon is infamous for having like 10 of those titles.
Speaker 4Ultimo.
Speaker 1Dragon is one of the best wrestlers of all time.
Speaker 4Cardangle.
Speaker 1Cardangle had a butt, but what are we doing with?
Speaker 4her. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every single one that has is Rushmore potential. Yeah right except for her. Exactly, I will say.
Speaker 1Where'd they even come from? I didn't even know she had some. I didn't know she did. She went to a bunch of random promotions and nobody even knows who they are, and won titles right yeah, she did.
Speaker 2Yeah. And and won titles right yeah, she did.
Speaker 1Yeah, and she took all the NJPW titles she took the.
Speaker 4NJPW titles yeah, went to a couple of mom and pops charging about six grand. Yeah.
Speaker 2I'm telling you, she took all of them from the NJPW.
Speaker 1Did you see that Clay yes, her with a million titles. So stupid, the only gimmick. I mean I do ass just because because she called her a bitch, just because I think tony can get his stuff over, I think she's really good. I I said that I think she can make it in wwe without wrestling, so she'd be really good promo she's good promos again.
Speaker 2Her man's kind of cool. The only aw talk but dusty was kind of pumped for like that. Kenny omega feud yeah, and I sent him the clip of them punching the stomach and he started puking blood. He's like I was pumped and then they had to do something like this.
Speaker 1They had to go ruin it for me. He had a bunch of fake blood pouring out of his mouth, him just spitting it everywhere.
Speaker 3He just got hit in the stomach.
Speaker 1It's because they're playing on him having diverticulitis. Yeah, but you know, what put him out forever?
Speaker 2was diverticulitis. Isn't that what killed one of the? It's what Brock Lesnar had. What killed one of the? The van oh, the Von Eriks, von Eriks.
Speaker 3Yeah, or cocaine.
Speaker 1Yeah, but they're not really sure they're pinning it as yeah, they said it was diverticulitis.
Speaker 2I kind of like it's AEW being stupid because you have the Von Eriks signed to AEW, but then you do a scene like that after. That's how they're saying that their brother died.
Speaker 1I don't know man. I think the most worker shoot thing is WWE, just replicating all AEW's stuff and just making it better. It's so great to me. Mark, so is that title yet Soon as he does, baby we waiting for the shield.
Speaker 2There's a man in the woods. Yeah, I know he's coming for Seth. Yeah, I hope man. So rumor is that Roman is coming back during SummerSlam.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But I don't know if it's going to be during SummerSlam, but he's bringing two wrestlers from the past with him. Now, one thing I do know is that, uh, chris jericho has been posting a lot of videos of the y2j era on his tiktok, and then also he's actually in killer shape now really, yeah, yeah, he looks good, yeah, like he's look I've been super gay.
Speaker 2So I'm sorry, looks really in shape, but he keeps. He keeps posting like videos of the. He keeps posting videos of like the titan tron of him walking out as y2j and being like pov when you first uh got to see this. So I think jericho.
Speaker 1Him coming over is this is equal to Cody coming over? Yeah.
Speaker 2I don't think it's any more surprising or any less he's part owner, so was Cody.
Speaker 3Yeah, Cody sold his part I think to Jericho.
Speaker 1I think Jericho is going to sell. I think Jericho will sell back to Khan.
Speaker 2Yeah, and what if Roman comes back and brings Mox and then, out of nowhere, jericho just shows up with his list? You just made the list.
Speaker 1You need to watch some Jericho stuff, because the only Jericho stuff you've seen is bad Jericho stuff.
Speaker 2That's kind of sad actually.
Speaker 1We'll fix that.
Speaker 4Alright, boys, I was going to say Jericho Punk boys. No, you're good. I was going to say Jericho Punk Mania 28. That was a solid rivalry.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, dude Solid, feud Bro Solid. Yeah, that was awesome, it turns out. Do you know where Jericho first?
Speaker 2debuted in WWE and he had that top-knot pony tail.
Speaker 1You know what that was.
Speaker 2Inspired from what Kiss Gene Simmons? Oh yes, he said he's the only other badass he could know. He said he's the only badass that he knew that could pull that off and he's like so I was going to do it, so I could feel like a badass.
Speaker 1He looked kind of goofy for a while though, yeah, I know, but it worked, though it worked. He was awesome. You know why I want him to come back to WWE.
Speaker 2Screw over AEW.
Speaker 1No for the figures.
Speaker 2For the figures yeah, for the figures, Because AEW figures suck. You remember that time that he had the two fake bodyguards in WCW and they couldn't find their way to the ring. They kept going through doors with him looking for the ring. God.
Speaker 1I love him. Do you think he wrote all his stuff in WCW? Yeah, he did. That's good, clay. You got anything else, bubby? No, did you talk about everything you want to talk about you? Sure, clay? You tell me, if nothing else in the world is true, what's the only thing that's true? Bailey has a fatty always.
Speaker 2I don't know he was looking at Naomi's tonight yeah why is she shaped like that?
Speaker 1bro, we've all been there, alright, we'll see you in. And said why is she shaped like that? Bro, we've all been there, all right, we'll see you in. We'll talk to you again in a week, a week After, and I promise we'll be back in a week. Sorry about the hiatus. We've been on vacation. Some people died. I don't know who died. We can't talk about that, that's fine. Got anything else? Boys, noah, no, clay, yeah, wes, all right, boys, ring the damn bell Monroe.
Speaker 3I was just going to say work or shoot. We'll be back next week. Find out next week.
Closing Thoughts and Ring the Bell
Speaker 2Ring that damn bell one time for us. Yeah yeah, that was very sick. We'll be right back. This is awesome. This is awesome.