Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
A Work is a legitimate and unscripted exchange or sequence within a wrestling match. A Shoot is defined as the planned or scripted elements of a match or storyline
Can you tell the difference?
Work Or Shoot? is a podcast from Team T4 about everything professional wrestling.
Don't be a mark today.
RING THE BELL!
Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
The Beast's Return: Brock Lesnar Shakes Up SummerSlam
Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.
The unmistakable roar of "The Beast is Back!" sets the tone for this thrilling breakdown of WWE SummerSlam 2024. We called Brock Lesnar's return months ago after spotting his figure in merchandise shipments, and our predictions finally came true in spectacular fashion as he confronted John Cena following Cody Rhodes' championship defense.
Throughout our passionate discussion, we dissect both nights of what could have easily been condensed into a single action-packed event. The contrast between the exceptional main events and the middling undercard becomes our central focus—with Cody vs. Cena emerging as the weekend's standout match. Their contest featured masterful storytelling, unexpected spots including a piledriver, and camera work that teased a potential Cody heel turn that had us all speculating.
We don't hold back on criticizing production issues that plagued several matches. From photographers blocking camera shots to chaotic coverage during the TLC bout, these technical difficulties detracted from otherwise solid performances. The strange absence of The Judgment Day throughout the entire weekend left us puzzled, while other notable moments like Seth Rollins channeling Kevin Nash's infamous fake injury angle provided delightful nostalgia for longtime fans.
Beyond simply recapping matches, we explore deeper storytelling implications: John Cena's retirement tour schedule (just 12 appearances remaining), what's next for CM Punk whose promos continue outshining his ring work, and how WWE might navigate championship storylines with rumors of both Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns taking time off for filming commitments.
As we assign our ratings to the event (mostly 1s and 2s out of 4), we acknowledge that despite its flaws, SummerSlam succeeded in creating genuine moments of surprise that recaptured that childlike feeling of unpredictability in wrestling. Join us for this unfiltered, enthusiastic breakdown that celebrates both the highs and lows of WWE's summer spectacular.
Check us out on Socials
Don't forget to Like, Sub, Comment, Write a letter, Call us, Meet us, Come on the podcast.
Support Independent wrestling
Don't be such a mark today
RING THE BELL!
The Beast Is Back
Speaker 1Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into Work or Shoot podcast brought to you by the team of Showing Color Claybo's here. Monroe don't have a mic, but he's here. Wes, little Wes, you got to make a noise. I've done it for you. Yeah, that's what you would have done. It's too late. You didn't do it.
Speaker 2Your little brother would do it Not shy.
Speaker 1Listen, the beast is back. We called it here First. All the time Followed the figs, knew he was coming.
Speaker 2I was the one that announced it Because I called you in a frantic Nervous pace, freaking out when I found that figure.
Speaker 1Why is this figure here?
Speaker 2Yeah, Summer Slam Shipper. All kinds of rocks in it.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then I noticed that they kept showing that Summer Slam moment.
Speaker 2It was like the Seth moment that they kept showing.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2If he was really injured. They're not going to show him getting injured.
Speaker 1So obviously we're recording this right after SummerSlam Night 2., night 2. We watched Night 1 together and then we're recording Night 2. Clay, not a fan of Night 1, actually Didn't love it. Why didn't you like Night 1? I don't know. I think it was really mid.
Speaker 3You're really good? I don't think.
Speaker 2I agree.
Speaker 1Okay, you agree you agree, luke, it wasn't that good. Oh, so the kids didn't like it.
Speaker 4What do you think about it? Well, there was nothing like major in it.
Speaker 1Yeah, except for.
Speaker 4Seth Gashin.
Speaker 1Okay, clay. Well, it's not that. I just think the matches were mid. Yeah, I thought the worst match of the night was Sammy and Karrion. I hate to say it, but there was nothing to it. It was just Sammy winning clean, and if Sammy won with a pop. I would have been okay with it, because Karrion would have been happy. We're going to just rip Karrion. Are we going to say that?
Speaker 2Yeah. He's dead dead, I would say so.
Speaker 1I think so. I don't think anybody can do anything about it. I think he's gone see you in TNA yeah, that's okay, just send him there. Yeah, and then Jade just getting brought down, riding the elevator on down in the roster.
Speaker 4Yeah, cause she's not on Tiffy's level.
Speaker 2She's a middle card. She's not on Rhea's level.
Speaker 1She's not on Rhea's level, for sure, for sure. But whatever, that match was mediocre. But anyway, we've been talking about Brock coming back. For months For months and saying that he had to, absolutely felt like he was going to, and then the story came out that he was banned from TKO and I was like, well, now he's definitely coming back, he didn't tell me somebody's banned, yeah, definitely coming back if they're banned.
Speaker 1Uh, all in all, though, I feel like lackluster pay-per-view as far as things that could happen that didn't happen, regardless of're marking out or not right that all the stuff that could have happened that didn't happen yeah well, where's rock?
Speaker 2he doesn't exist.
Speaker 1For the first time ever he's asking for yeah, I guess him getting left out though is. I think it's okay, because he's been left out of everything anyway, so I actually think it's fine.
Speaker 2So I feel, man, honestly, it's like we had two matches that were build-up storylines.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And I feel like everything else had no meaning.
Speaker 1So I will say this you know what I say. There's another podcast. This is for a different podcast, but I always say you know, this could have been in an email. Yeah, this could have been one night. Yeah, we could have just done all this. Okay, drop any match. What match do we drop? Let's move? That match sucked, yeah, all right. All let's that match sucked. Yeah, all right. All the hype that match could be, it wasn't.
Speaker 3But I still think, I still like the tiffy jade match we could have just done on smackdown.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's right we could just do that on smackdown and not worry about it.
Speaker 2All of them were like raw or smackdown level match.
Speaker 1Most of them were, and that's why I said we could just do eight matches one night, five hours uh, I'd be fine with five hours.
Speaker 2Hey, there's another show that does that. It's not WWE.
Speaker 1I know, I know that's what I'm saying. That's why I've been kind of on that, because it smells like that feels better than two nights, Of course. I mean, I guess we all got to hang out for two nights, so I'm not going to bitch about some of it Three nights, actually Three nights, actually three nights. Yeah, smackdown, smackdown and we got it again tomorrow. Well, like I said, I just feel, like you know, something else will happen tomorrow too?
SummerSlam Night 1 Reactions
Speaker 2yeah, I hope so. But like the main events were the beginning, the closing, and being like the closing wrapping up of a storyline, beginning of another one going through overblading gun through overblading. But I just meant shout out showing color, punk finally, like getting a belt, and then you know Seth cashing in.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But then Cody finally getting the belt back and then Brock showing up. Those were the only two matches that really like went full circle. Everything else just didn't make sense. Why did like? Like you said, the cage match made no sense, dom match was cool. Where was the judgment day?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2The TLC match was really cool, great spot. It would have been better. It could have been better. You're right, it would have been better, or not, luke? And on top of that, too, there was so much chaos and it wasn't good. Contained chaos.
Speaker 1It was like the camera guys even know where to go and also shout out to triple h because, um, I feel sorry for him right now because I feel like he's gonna be cutting and firing a lot of camera guys and a lot of crew, yeah, and photographers put, if we put some, put some respect on people's names. We have to take some respect off some people's names and we've said the cameramen have done good before. But speaking of putting respect on people's names, candice LeRae One. She does one thing and we feel justified for it. She took a bump through a ladder. That was hardcore. That match was awesome actually it was good.
Speaker 2Like I said, the ending was weird. The ending was weird. I just like I said, I felt like it was. Maybe it wasn't too much, but the camera guys kind of just yeah, like half the spots, or like they were trying to zoom in, and there was a photographer in front of the damn camera while they're trying to zoom in on somebody well, like literally, netflix will have it next time becky and lyra match.
Speaker 2They were trying to do a spot. Lyra literally threw Becky into a photographer because he would not move out of the way.
Speaker 1Honestly, there's a few matches I could get rid of. I would definitely get rid of the.
Speaker 2Becky-Lyra.
Speaker 1Becky-Lyra was bad Steel Cage. Steel Cage and Becky-Lyra they're both tonight.
Speaker 3Which kind of sucks, I think they expected it to Still Cage and Becky Lyra.
Speaker 1They were both tonight. Which kind of sucks, lyra. Well, I think they expected it to be better than it was.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, I mean, obviously it was not good it kind of went off the rails when she was supposed to be zip cuffed. And then she threw one of her hands out of the zip cuff and then immediately put it back in. No one saw it. The camera was right on her hands and one was like whoop.
Speaker 1I want to point something out that's weird and is a little bit lazy. Two handcuff spots tonight is a little bit lazy.
Speaker 2Yeah, one was a zip tie, they're handcuff spots.
Speaker 1Quote, unquote cuff spots.
Speaker 2Excuse me, I'm a little tired. What was the point of Zilla not Zilla? Sorry, we were hoping Zilla fought too, Jacob fought too, getting handcuffed, breaking the handcuffs to show how strong he is, and then losing.
Speaker 1Getting beat by the top of a fence, yeah, and then pretending like he won Because he got to beat up the botch guy and the fat guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2What is going on? Hold on, let me open my sparkling water because of this. That's how I feel about it. Straight edge CM Punk not drinking a beer, it's sparkling water.
Speaker 1He's not straight edge, he's just botch man, tall man, fat man.
Speaker 4Yeah, that was the team. Was the team?
Speaker 1to be honest, that team was uh, I'm kind of worried we're gonna get bloodline war games again yeah, I am too, it feels like we might do that again do you want to see that? Not again, I don't think anybody wants to see it again, though, like I think it should be the bloodline.
Speaker 4I won't watch it um shut up I it should be the Bloodline.
Speaker 1I won't watch it Shut up, I'm serious, you won't watch it. I won't watch the War Games, man. Oh my God that ain't true?
Speaker 2If that was the case, you were going to watch it tonight, because the whole last night you were like I'm not watching this, it's bad. And you sat there the whole time and you sat there the whole time.
Speaker 1Yep, okay, so I will acknowledge that. We said about 50 times during the match that Cody was going to turn heel. We did, but we never wavered from Brock coming back. I feel like we thought one of the Rocks was going to come back B-Rock or the Rock, we said one with the Ock in it?
Speaker 2Yeah, somebody with Ock, or.
Speaker 1Rock works too. You're just taking off another.
Speaker 2Can we just talk about how awesome the helmet was, because I feel like it was pretty cool with the cameraman around it. Oh my God, I know.
Speaker 1It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2I'm not going to cuss.
Speaker 1But you know who's entrance gear was better, who's AJ's gear was better. Aj's gear rocked.
Speaker 4So much better than anyone's.
Speaker 2Hey though, Mysterio coming out of that mask more and more.
Speaker 1Yeah, his uncle's mask.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's his uncle's mask. Well, actually it's his great uncle's mask? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, because it's Ray Mysterio's mask. Yeah, it's Ray Jr's uncle, Ray Mysterio, yeah.
Speaker 1We do this all the time. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2But he's coming out in that mask more and more, and when he finished the match, he put the mask back on this time.
Speaker 1He did. That match was uneventful.
Speaker 2It was.
Speaker 1Ultimately to what it could have been that match was uneventful.
Speaker 2The most shocking thing was seeing that he had skeleton socks on to match.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was insane, took his own boot off. Uh, I do think the cody the cody cena match really was like the best match of the of the two nights hey, that might be the best match scene was put on in the last five years. This part of his career, for sure.
Speaker 2He took some bumps.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was awesome. He did a sunset flip Is that what that's called?
Speaker 3No.
Speaker 1I want a Mexican Destroyer right.
Speaker 2He did a Mexican Destroyer.
Speaker 1No, it's a sunset flip.
Speaker 2Mexican.
Speaker 1Destroyer is them landing on their head and Cody did a sunset flip. The Mexican destroyer is like. The Mexican destroyer is them landing on their head and Cody did a pile driver Cody did a pile driver Pop rocks. Pop rocks is a sunset flip.
Speaker 2Cody did a pile driver.
Speaker 1As soon as Cody pile driver, we were all like, oh, he's going to be a hell. Can I just say one thing though? After seeing the pile driver, I would like to apologize to Heavy D and say, yes, kevin was right. Kevin was right. I know that's what I'm saying. That's what it feels like the whole time. Yeah, kevin is right all the time.
Speaker 2Which he was like Cody's been to all his class. He knows how to act. He knows how to show emotion. He knows how to act, he knows how to show emotion. So they were zooming in on his face a lot during the match to show like little heelish things, like making him look like he was trying to fight it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I've seen that too. What do you want to say, Colt?
Speaker 4Don't sing them. I did bye.
Speaker 2I did bye. Oh, he did an AA. Don't sing the D it at five. He did it. No, you're thinking about dusty saying he's doing it at five, but it was actually aa, I was just foreshadowing I know you were but we knew.
Speaker 1We knew what was coming. I actually didn't expect brock to get in the ring. I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2No, I thought it was just going to be a stare down. I thought it was going to be a stare down. It'd be over.
Speaker 1I thought it was going to be like punk. It's great. I've never been a Brock Lesnar fan, and I am right now.
Speaker 2Can I put some respect on somebody else I? Am right this second, can I put some respect on somebody else? Kelly Roll, yeah, yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 4God, he took a bump.
Speaker 1That was a fun match. He took a couple bumps he was talking about Claymore and he's been wearing that boot since it happened. Yeah, so Claymore was to his mouth and it messed him up.
Speaker 4What about the splash to the non-stable? Yeah, that was brutal With the Google lenses on.
Speaker 1Logan Paul put the Google lens on. That was awesome, smashing the two things together.
Speaker 2We couldn't figure out why he was wearing glasses.
Speaker 1Then we couldn't figure out why he was handing the glasses to the announcer after he fell through Bright-eyed, like handing it out.
Speaker 2Yeah, because it was streaming bro.
Speaker 1Yeah, work or shoot sets injury. Can we reevaluate that?
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1Work will go on. I said it was a work. Can we just talk about?
Speaker 2that whole Easter egg thing, because we all wanted it to be the Nash.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2So that happened.
Speaker 1When we say Nash, we mean, I don't know, I think it was Bash at the Beach, something like that, yeah, something like that. That he was in a wheelchair with his leg up and a blanket over it and he under the blanket and pulled his leg out and he was not in it. He was not in a cast.
Speaker 2So and he'd done the match Beginning of, during the Logan Paul match, there was all kinds of signs being held up that were given out that said you are an outsider jelly rolls an outsider. But outsiders or outsider was written or printed in the actual like font of nwo the outsiders it was then seth did that with his crew, the crew no seth did that with his crew.
Speaker 2The crew no Seth did that with his leg, did the Nash thing and then after that during the post show his crew went, came out to the announcers during the post show and actually acted like nwo, like wrote, like messed up their hair and messed up their jackets, took all their notes and threw them everywhere, never spoke to him and then, like, waved to the crowd and walked off. So I was like those kind of little Easter eggs. They know what they're doing in that little universe.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it feels like they're giving us those more and more. It feels like they're giving us those more and more and seeing if we can catch that and see if we can figure out what's going on the whole time. But I think like, no matter what, pay attention to those details feels like it pays off at this point. But also I guess we paid too much attention to them, because this is other stuff where I'm like.
Speaker 1Oh my God, that's gotta be, and actually it's nothing, which is like 95% of the time it's actually we all thought we all thought Mr Ray Jr Was coming back.
Speaker 2But we kind of had a good reason because the original SummerSlam poster from months ago that we talked about me and Dusty saw it and he was like man, it kind of gave it away because at that point Roman hadn't came back yet and on the poster was Roman and on the poster also was Ray.
Speaker 1Yeah, I really thought Ray was going to be here.
Speaker 2So that was not like one of those marking out guests and it was like it was on the poster.
Speaker 1Mysterio was on the poster, yeah, and I really really thought Ray was going to be there. Noticed what did you notice.
Speaker 4When I walked in there I looked at the post show and it said nine tables broken in the TLC match.
Speaker 1Just not, yeah, yeah, just not I can see that the two Slim Jims that were set up on one side.
Speaker 2And then the four.
Speaker 4Three, three of them broke, oh three of them broke.
Speaker 2Three of those four broke. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1I love that match. I don't care about the Slim Jim tables that are pre-set up, the ones that have the holes. There has to be more than 9 tables. There were 2, they were stacked on. There was 4 table spots, yeah, but the first spot was stacked tables Because they had knobs in them where the other tables went into.
Speaker 4Oh yeah.
Speaker 1In the Slim Jim tables. One of those spots was double tables. The DIY went through 2 tables, went through double tables. Tables went into. Oh yeah, in the slim gym tables there was one of those spots was double table.
Speaker 4The diy went through two tables, went through a double tables but the first like whatever spots, lots of tables when they was like doing flips onto the tables oh yeah that's the four.
Speaker 2That's the four, and then there was three. Broke into stacks anyways.
Speaker 1Um, it would have been so much better at night it would I just want to say that that would have been so much better at night. It would I just want to say that that would have been better at night. I think the six o'clock start time made it weird In your, everyone's opinion with this.
Speaker 2Did you feel it worked or didn't work?
Speaker 1It was cool spots, but with the interference that was weird to me just because I kind of lost who was in the match. Yeah, like there was so much, there was so many, so much stuff going on. There were so many people that I couldn't necessarily keep up with who was in the match.
Speaker 2I get it and.
Speaker 1But I felt that way about that women's match the other night too on what was that? On. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2Anyway, a wrestling program.
Speaker 1It's probably a personal problem that I can't keep up when there's when there's 12 people in the match work or shoot.
Speaker 2Wayne's really on vacation.
Speaker 1Wayne's always on vacation bro, it's like who's? That be a great time. Who, who's Wayne?
Speaker 3What.
Speaker 2Oh, have you seen the group chat? Yeah, yeah, every time he says something, I just go who.
Speaker 1That's a shame. It would have been a good time to record too.
Speaker 2Great time to record.
Speaker 1Well, I guess we'll forget about him Unsigned. Didn't sign his contract extension. Nope Wayne, come back. No champs, come back.
Speaker 2We got a couple title changes. He's going to show up with a pipe bomb.
Speaker 4We only got three.
Speaker 1No tag champs. No tags no male tag champs no.
Speaker 2Women, women.
Speaker 1I know it's confusing the friends with benefits, just confuse me. The friends with benefits, whoa, whoa. Not your, not your fantasies, their real name oh, you don't remember it alliances with.
Speaker 3I think it's, we're not friends well, okay, they're, they're funny yeah and way to go, alexa getting Charlotte over, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1I like Charlotte now she's funny, it's real. I'm a real easy mark. You can really turn me super easy on her. Hey, how about Cena getting over with one promo?
Speaker 2That's what I was about to say One promo, One promo bro.
Speaker 1That was so crazy.
Speaker 2He went from heel to baby in one night without turning on anyone Work or shoot, then Was it all part of the plan or could he not take being a heel anymore, because like to make a wish, stuff and things? No, I think this is part of the plan.
Speaker 1I think this is the time frame Cody beating him like it makes sense.
Speaker 2For this to be the time frame, because I think they had Brock planned, like planned coming back.
Speaker 1They definitely had Brock planned, they made his figure.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know that I was the one that found it. But I just meant like I was just thinking of. I mean, he's made more wishes for the Make-A-Wish Foundation than anybody. He's like the number one. Everyone wants to, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2So, I was just not marking out or anything, but kind of felt bad for those kids that are like wanted him to, you know, and then they're like no, they see him on TV and he's like cussing and acting like he hates everybody and calling kids stupid. You know, that probably like kind of went to the Make-A-Wish stuff.
Speaker 4True, he's probably went back to it.
Speaker 1I don't think so't. I don't think so you don't think so. No, I think I think it. Just I think it's his name. I think he was still doing the Make-A-Wish stuff. He also Just might not be doing the Make-A-Wish stuff right now.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Do you know?
Speaker 2How I knew that it was not fake.
Speaker 1What was fake, like His term.
Analyzing Match Quality
Speaker 2Like his term, his turn back to being a baby. Did I like it wasn't a ruse, like he wasn't faking it Okay. You know how I knew it wasn't. He was on a damn promotional commercial for the Nestle drumstick ice creams During the damn pay-per-view. Oh yeah, it's actually.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, he's a baby.
Speaker 2Yeah, during the pay-per-view.
Speaker 1Drumstick ad baby. All the ads.
Speaker 4I've been seeing that everywhere.
Speaker 1The drumstick ad.
Speaker 4Before he was even a baby, he was still a heel.
Speaker 2I didn't see it anymore. I did see that he was being promoted on McDonald's as a McDonald's meal.
Speaker 4Wait, really.
Speaker 2He's got a McDonald's meal now.
Speaker 1I think it's kind of cool, I'm going to go buy it, Like I'm not hating.
Speaker 2They. Finally they picked someone that we can be like oh cool, we'll buy it now. Yeah, it's not. It's not a rapper that we don't know or an influencer that we don't know.
Speaker 1I'm so glad we didn't hear Fane today.
Speaker 2You're going to wish it into existence again.
Speaker 1No, that's never going to happen.
Speaker 2I don't know man, you ain't watched Unreal.
Speaker 1So four months left on Cena's.
Speaker 4Retirement tour.
Speaker 1Tour right.
Speaker 2He's going to be the.
Speaker 1Beast Killer. So how many appearances? Less than 12, right. Let me check so he won't be on many Raw and Smackdowns. No, I don't think he'll be on a lot of Raw and Smackdowns. What's the pay per view? Clash in Paris Clash in Paris is the next pay. Per view, I don't think he'll be there. Does it have his appearances wrote? No he'll probably be there.
Speaker 2I've seen it has 12 appearances left.
Speaker 1Got that spot on, yeah, so that spot on.
Speaker 2Dang You're right, cha-ching Woo, yeah, so let's see.
Speaker 1What date are we at the 3rd? You don't even know, no, okay.
Speaker 2Upcoming appearances August 8th SmackDown 22nd. Smackdown 29th, smackdown 31,. Clash in Paris.
Speaker 1Okay, so he is going to be in Paris.
Speaker 2Fifth September, 5th SmackDown, september 15th, Raw October 11th, crown Jewel in Perth Australia.
Speaker 1So I wonder what AJ is going to wear in.
Speaker 2November 29th, clash.
Speaker 1War Games.
Speaker 2Survivor Series. And then it says December, but it doesn't say the date. I'm going to change my opinion.
Speaker 1I don't think the feud, I don't think the Brock feud will be the last feud. I think the Brock feud will be the Clash in Paris feud.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4And then this is probably what's going to happen it's going to be a retirement match of AJ and Cena.
Speaker 2Oh, that'd be cool. That would be cool, both of them retiring at the same time.
Speaker 1Both of them leaving? I don't think that's going to happen. I think he means like retirement, like one of them retire, oh Right, or do you mean both, both?
Speaker 2Or maybe like one leaving, one retiring no, because I don't think AJ's retiring Well.
Speaker 4I just meant one leaving.
Speaker 2I think AJ'd be cool if they start bringing back some of that era. What?
Speaker 1do you mean? Like Brock is going to be his next feud yeah, I was just trying to think who else was. Who else was there that he's not feuded with?
Speaker 2he's not finished with R-Truth.
Speaker 1I heard Cena's last match is going to be Gunther that'd be trash put it back on Gunther he can't put it back on Gunther. He can't put it back on Gunther. I mean, put it on Gunther.
Speaker 2He ain't got it.
Speaker 1He don't have it. Cody won the belt. Cody just won the belt. I know, but I mean you could, I know, but oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, but Gunther's not going to have a match. What I'm saying is Gunther's, that's not for the title. I think it'd be trash anyway.
Speaker 3I don't think it'll be trash, but I don't think he's going to have a match.
Speaker 1That's not for the title.
Speaker 2I just think that they're going to bring back classics and I use that term loosely, I just mean.
Speaker 1Ric Flair's thing.
Speaker 2No, I mean like wrestlers that are still good in shape, that we want back, that were from his era.
Speaker 1Yeah, shape that we want back that were from his era, because we want to see him and Brock. But also they never finished the Raw.
Speaker 2They didn't finish the Raw, I think they did, they released him.
Speaker 4Wait, where has Ron been when?
Speaker 1did he release? I mean, he's back now. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2He cut his hair and he's been attacking him, but then it just disappeared. They never finished. They didn't have a match.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't think we want to see another. Yeah, they had a match.
Speaker 2They had our truth match. They didn't have a Ron match. No, they had a wrong match. Whatever, either way, okay, he's right, he's right. Another one would be awesome, but it would never happen because he's too old. It would be like Kurt Angle.
Speaker 1Oh, that's sick. Angle would be his first.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was his debut. Ruthless Aggression, ruthless Aggression.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's not happening. The Rock yeah, the Rock is who I could see, but the Rock would have to get back in shape and do a bunch of stuff before the Saturday Night Main Event.
Speaker 4And he don't want to do that.
Speaker 1And the Rock and John Cena at Saturday Night Main Event. So Whatever, I don't actually care. I'm here for it all.
Speaker 2It's fine he don't have the belt anymore, which is, but how are they going to explain Cody Still calling the Never Seen 17. How are they going to explain Cody having the belt but taking off how many months for Street Fighter?
Speaker 1I don't know. That's why it was weird that he's got the belt and Reigns.
Speaker 2Roman Reigns is taking off too.
Speaker 1When are they taking off, though?
Speaker 2Next month, well, maybe he loses.
Speaker 1Maybe he loses before next month. Maybe he loses in Paris, maybe he loses tomorrow.
Speaker 2I'm going to double check, but I thought they started filming in September.
Speaker 1Wouldn't be the first time, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I mean the Street Fighter thing I feel like just taken away, I don't know. It's whatever. There's enough people to carry the company. I guess you're just going to put it on Dom's back and Seth the cash-in was great, seth cashing in again. Same way, same thing, but the fake leg, the fake injury, yep, I loved it.
Speaker 4I loved it all.
Speaker 1I think night one was more predictable than night two.
Speaker 4Yeah, because.
Speaker 1Clay, how many picks did you get right on your WrestleMania pick? On one you got four right. No, on one I got two right and on the other, I got two right On night two. You got two right On both nights. I got two right Okay.
Speaker 2That movie might really suck.
Speaker 3Why.
Speaker 2Because I was just reading and they said that it's Undetermined with Roman which Roman is like a newer character From Street Fighter and Cody is literally guile, and they were like that. Let me just quote it.
Speaker 1It's great podcasting.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know, please read it.
Speaker 1Please read it.
Speaker 3Please read it. I don't want to now. We need to hear it.
Speaker 1Oh my God, Are you serious?
Speaker 2Are you going to?
Speaker 1read it.
Speaker 2With Cody's time on set expected to be short and rain schedule still under wraps, the real intrigue will be how, if WWE weaves the Blockbuster project into storytelling, but also it states that it's not going to affect any of the storytelling or match cards because they're not going to be on set that long, which means that it's going to be like a very fast production CGI yeah, yeah, okay, good, good, good.
Speaker 1Most CGI, I mean it was never going to be good.
Speaker 2No, but we're still going to watch it because it's got Reigns and Cody in it.
Speaker 1What's God? He's so salty Wayne messaged the group chat and said he's probably not going to record anymore. He did not.
Speaker 4He did. No, he didn't.
Speaker 1He did.
Speaker 4No he didn't?
Speaker 1Who told you who what? Don't worry about it. Oh, Wes is going off on him.
Speaker 2No, I'm not.
Speaker 1Share screenshots.
Speaker 2I just said why this time, instead of saying who I guess I said who too many times and he got mad. So you think?
Speaker 1AJ's going to have different. You think AJ's going to have different gear all the big shows, like all the rest of his shows.
Speaker 3He'll have, like he'll have, really cool gear. I think he will. If he's leaving next year, then yes.
Speaker 2I think he'll do stuff that he wants to do. I like how he played the mind games with him, Also the Guerrero spot where they both had the chair.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was cool the fake, the fall down, although it didn't make any sense for AJ to do that because he would lose the title or because he would not win the title.
Speaker 2That way, it's still funny.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's still funny. I was so mad about the Steel Cage match.
Speaker 4Same.
Speaker 1Man, I just don't get it. I don't get. I guess they're trying to push Tala.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1So I don't really get that.
Speaker 2Let me tell you I was more impressed with Roman Reigns' suicide dive over the top rope yeah, it was awesome, he jumped Than Jacob Fatu's moonsault off the top of the cave.
Speaker 1Okay yeah, Roman jumped over dudes.
Speaker 2He did he overshot it. They had to save him.
Speaker 1And he hadn't done it in a while. It's pretty awesome.
Cody vs Cena and Heel Turn Theories
Speaker 2When's the last time he done that when he was the big dog?
Speaker 4Probably yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's probably true. His role is kind of weird to me too, Like what he's doing.
Speaker 2I'm telling you they got to make him goofy a little bit.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2I agree with you Doing the reverse restart with Jay's music Midmatch too.
Speaker 1And Jay wore shorts.
Speaker 3He's a beauty in a new attire.
Speaker 2Maybe he wants to show off his tats. Yeah, I'm not hating. Not many people realize, because a lot of the new generation that started getting into Jay have only ever saw him in pants. They don't remember him beginning in shorts.
Speaker 4Yeah, we have the figs. Yeah, we have the figs.
Speaker 2Both his legs are covered in those same tats as his arms and chest and back. He's got sleeves all the way down his legs.
Speaker 1Okay, worker, shoot. Same tats as his arms and chest and back. He's got sleeves all the way down his legs. Um okay, worker, shoot.
Speaker 2Brawn breakers injury, work, work, I just don't know anymore. They brought back kv kayfabe baby.
Speaker 1I love it uh, I say work, I mean it's probably a little bit shoot. Yeah, I think he was selling it pretty hard, but, like you said, he's a football player. Yeah, he's had an injury. He came back.
Speaker 2He came back the next day to do like a meet and greet and he was just kind of like popping on it a little bit.
Speaker 4So I was like there's no rap, nothing.
Speaker 2He's good.
Speaker 4No, he'll be fine. Yeah, he's fine, but then again.
Speaker 2He ain't got no Becky film behind him on crutches to try to secretly.
Speaker 1Worker shoot. Cm Punk and Seth Rollins Hate each other. That's a shoot.
Speaker 4That's a shoot. I'm just saying that's a shoot. It has to be.
Speaker 1I don't know it's all about the money.
Speaker 2Baby, I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money.
Speaker 1Yeah, they selling us, they selling us all hard on it. Colt's attentive on the TV. Something's going on.
Speaker 2You know who claims to be not good friends. Who you miss Colt going oh, it's like Cody was in there, you know who claims to be not good friends in the ring but always has to be put together because they knew it made money.
Speaker 3Who.
Speaker 2The Rock and Stone Cold.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, yeah, because it sells tickets.
Speaker 2Yeah, they knew it sold tickets. They said we didn't care if we liked each other or not.
Speaker 1Punk looked gassed at the end of that match. Dude, I love Punk yeah.
Speaker 2I love Punk Like, but I'm going to say what Heavy D said for him to be no drugs, no alcohol does he just not have no sleep either, because he's got the biggest bags under his eyes I've ever seen yeah, man, you can not use drugs, but use a CPAP, it'd be alright you?
Speaker 1know what I mean Cause you got something going on With them, bags under your eyes.
Speaker 2He can't sleep. Sleep on the plane or something he can't sleep.
Speaker 1It's gotta be. He doesn't sleep, cause he don't smoke or drink or do anything to bring him down. Are we gonna get A triple threat With? Did we already get that With Drew Seth and Punk? Drew, no, drew Seth and Punk.
Speaker 4We have not, we haven't got that yet have we?
Speaker 1No, I don't think so, Nope.
Speaker 3I think we're going to get it.
Speaker 1Why would Drew be involved?
Speaker 2Because that rivalry? No, you said he was done with the rivalry in the post-show.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think that's over he just ribbed them about it.
Speaker 2I think it's more likely that you get it. It was 10 seconds shorter than his ring.
Speaker 1Punk.
Speaker 2Seth Gunther, poor Gunther.
Speaker 1Poor Gunther blading under that table and cutting his whole face open.
Speaker 2Let me tell you something If you're trying to play that. You got a broke nose you don't blade your forehead.
Speaker 1Yeah, you blade his forehead open. Definitely was gone for like five minutes.
Speaker 2then come back with a with blood blade I mean, blood was gushing, it was all from his forehead, but he was holding his nose. I was like brother we can all see it like literally pumping out your forehead. Why are you holding your nose?
Speaker 1I think you're, I think you're good.
Speaker 2He went deep, I was thinking and I was just Brainstorming. I was like, if they're gonna sell a you know, a broken nose, why didn't he just like Take two blood caps and just put them in his nostrils and bust them real?
Speaker 1fast. Yeah, you'd think so.
Speaker 2And then kind of just Smear it, cause it would work Just as well Without you having To like Give yourself scars.
Speaker 1Yeah, you'd definitely, you definitely think that's what he'd do Be a lot easier.
Speaker 2Incorrectamundo. I mean, that's what Seth did when you know he got to Noppy 27 times.
Speaker 1Also, I was thinking about Jesse Ventura during the cage match and how pissed he'd be that Solo won. Going out, the door Fell, out of it, fell out of it. Yeah, jesse Ventura would be so mad that he did that. He's like you can't win going out the door. Who wins?
Speaker 2that way he's got like four figs coming.
Speaker 4Who.
Speaker 3Jesse Ventura, yeah, really.
Speaker 2Yeah, he was awesome, awesome. He was a very cool person if they made figs as much as they do now because he wore the craziest outfits.
Speaker 1You know, I really thought Bianca would be involved.
Speaker 2I thought Bianca would get in your figure I think her hand is still messed up Did you ever see the picture of her finger?
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2They said, she broke it.
Speaker 3She actually broke it.
Speaker 2But she showed a picture of it and it literally has a like, not that big around oh like it. It looks literally like someone put an acorn acorn, acorn, what, what, oh wow, whoa hey oh, I'll find the picture and show it. It's crazy looking.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, I believe you. I'm trying to think of all the signals they tried to send us to make us think Cody was turning heel.
Speaker 2The mask Because he took a picture of it in black and white on his the cracked mask and it was insane Made us feel that way. Monroe pointed out, it was very Kylo Ren looking and I liked that it was Piledriver.
Speaker 1Sit down, piledriver.
Speaker 4It was insane Pop up Powerbomb, pop up Powerbomb.
Speaker 1Pop up Sit down Powerbomb, which was cool. Kevin Owens book yeah, but Kevin Owens doesn't sit down, does he?
Speaker 4Pop up he just oh beautiful. Oh beautiful, I think he was just trying to do one, yeah.
Speaker 1I don't care either way, but they sent us multiple signs and that was the ultimate worker shoot was Cody Rhodes' turn in heel and luckily we don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 2And one of the big ones last night when I was texting you at like 12 o'clock, was randomly they put all his baby stuff that was made for summer slam on sale 50 off.
Speaker 1Still, by the way, he could still, he could still turn tomorrow so he could.
Speaker 2I was just saying like that brand new, that brand new, uh, that brand new jacket that they just come out. That was like this is is a special vid jacket. It doesn't ship till after September and it was marked down from $100 down to like $59. And I was like whoa, and then his brand new shirt was marked down to $20.
Speaker 4I was like whoa. Yeah, so that's why we thought he was mainly turning cute.
Speaker 2Yeah, because that was right after night one and I was like, oh bro, they're doing this because all the new stuff's going to drop on night two, after he turns heel.
Speaker 1Yeah it happened. I think he could turn heel whenever he loses the title. I think he could turn heel whenever he wants to, nobody can say anything about it, hey how about that entrance with the polka dots?
Speaker 2Yeah?
Speaker 1Oh my God, Dusty Rhodes. That's what everybody online was saying. Everybody got chills and they heard Dusty's voice. It was awesome. I didn't know what was going on at first.
Speaker 2He was on Hot Ones the other day. Did you see that? Not Dusty?
Speaker 1Cody Cody. Yeah, I've not watched it yet. He does an impression of his daddy. Yeah, that's right, I heard it was good.
Speaker 2Yeah, he talked about. His dad was always cutting promos, no matter what he said up in the morning, his dad's cut promos on the dog, he said, and then he said that he would. He said it got to the point where it was annoying because we tried to go to the grocery store and he'd be like man, look at that list over there staring at us.
Speaker 1I love that. I gotta watch that too. I gotta watch Unreal you gotta watch Unreal yeah.
Speaker 2I haven't finished it yet he watched one episode of it.
Speaker 1Get to do the reverse kayfabe, where kayfabe is so out in the open that it's back in the closet, which is whatever, but I'm happy about it. Work or shoot Wrestling.
Speaker 2Cardi B. Bro, where'd she go Getting rode out after she came to introduce everybody?
Speaker 1to SummerSlam. Who were the celebrities? Who were better?
Speaker 2Who were the celebrities? Who were better?
Speaker 1There were celebrities who were better that were there. Jelly Roll was better.
Speaker 2Drewski was better. I think they hard swerved and put Drewski because she was supposed to do all that entrance promo stuff yeah, and she just came out lip-s syncing her song as she walked down the the ramp and then she got into the ring and she was like one more time nope do it again, do it one more time, nope what
Speaker 3what what?
Speaker 2but she was reading. She was reading that teleprompter hard. Yeah, looking right at it like leaning over the ropes looking at it.
Speaker 1Squinting her eyes. It's totally fine.
Speaker 2The only thing that she said that wasn't on the teleprompter, when she said I love me some. Randy Orton hi.
Speaker 1Hey, listen, it's 1038 on the East Coast. Charles Robinson got that ring tore down, yet.
Speaker 2With that boot on? Yeah, with that boot on, but he's been taking so many bumps and finally started showing them.
Speaker 1That's funny. He's in a boot. What is boot? Was it from the spot he took? I bet it was.
Speaker 4What spot Spear?
Speaker 2The spear or something he probably landed wrong. There was like two or three in a row there where he was. He's been hanging out for a while. Yeah, he's been there since I was watching him ref WCW.
Speaker 1He ref some of the SummerSlam Bash, the Beach stuff.
Speaker 2Oh shit, he's 61?.
Speaker 1Yeah, dude, he's been around forever Taking Spears at 61.
Speaker 4From.
Speaker 1Goldberg Running full blast down that.
Speaker 4Taking Spears from Goldberg at 61.
Speaker 1Most referees are crazy good shape because they're either wrestlers or aspire to be wrestlers, or masked wrestlers Like. Jessica Kars. Yeah, masked wrestlers.
Speaker 2One of the two I still will never forgive Ric Flair.
Speaker 1What's going on the post show. Well we can watch the post show later. Last time that we watched the post show in here, we got almost no podcasting yeah.
Speaker 2I'll never forgive Ric Flair. You know those episodes on A&E where they're looking for stuff for the archives. Yeah, they had one where they were tracking down a certain robe that. Ric wore they finally figured out who had it it was Charles Robinson.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 2And they came in and was like like Rick just flat out was like I want you to give that back to me and like had him like literally in tears and be like man, this has been my house since. Like you gave this to me 25 years ago and he's like you just want me to like this is part of my collection. This is history. You just want me to give it to you because you said I want it back.
Speaker 4Did he?
Speaker 2He traded him and gave him something else for it. It was just like. Even when Ric Flair is trying to be nice on a show, he still comes off like a freaking douchebag.
Speaker 1That's true. He has the hardest time being a decent person. I feel like they didn't mention Hogan all weekend after Smackdown. They mentioned him once. Yeah, like his kids were there.
Speaker 3Mentioned, one of his kids was there with his adult actress wife.
Speaker 1Adult actress wife. Adult actress wife. That's all you can say.
Speaker 2That's all I'm going to say with these children, I know I know that's all I can say.
Speaker 1The what button's getting heat tonight. Yeah, that's good. So a couple things. Punk's promos are now better than his wrestling. They might have always been, but now he should almost exclusively cut promos. I love his wrestling and I love him in the ring, but I don't think they booked Well. They booked him five minutes too much, too long. That match was five minutes too long, right, and it could have been a lot. No, I agree.
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree, it could have been a lot better, I agree yeah, I agree it could be a lot better if it's five minutes shorter there was like two spots where by the time he done the elbow drop I was like he can barely get to the top rope by the time he did that one drop. But the gear was, uh, fantastic for gear. Did you know that?
Speaker 4yes, yeah, gear was fantastic. It's clobbering time, clobbering time, gear.
Speaker 1Very, very cool Colt.
Speaker 2It was very cool that he done that, but does that mean we're going to get him and Seth feud, or is that going to be?
Speaker 1I'm sure that he'll feud with Seth some about it. I'm good with watching him and Seth feud, just because those matches are good.
Speaker 2Well, yeah, everyone wants to see Phil and Kobe fight. Paul Heyman doing masterwork, though, selling, yeah, selling everything, but you know, what he did to think through about what Was wrapping his arms around.
Speaker 1I actually think. I think he was being facetious. I'm pretty sure he did that because of the CEO at the Kiss Cam.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2It literally looked just like it. It was just funny, because everyone's doing the Jack from Titanic.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I think they're missing the point. I think he was being funny. I think it's literally the Kiss Cam. Paul is the one person that I cam. Yeah, true, nothing. No, paul is the one person that I'm like.
Speaker 2Nothing he does is unintentional how long it took him to get him up from, uh, the crisscross applesauce position.
Speaker 1I was thinking. When he got down there he looked like humpty, dumpty a little bit, yeah, and his legs are just like tucked under him, like maybe he was an animal that was supposed to sit like that.
Lesnar's Return and WWE Planning
Speaker 2He made me, made me think of the caterpillar from Ice and Wonderland, that's smoking.
Speaker 1Yes, that's what he was like. He was just hanging out. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2Alright, everybody agreed. The main events were great, as in the endings of the main event.
Speaker 4How do we feel about the Brock return, though?
Speaker 2I feel good about it.
Speaker 1I love the Brock return. I think I might have liked it better if he didn't F5 Cena, if he just stared Cena down, if he just done the punk thing where he just stared Cena down and then went backstage he didn't even walk down the ramp, I'm fine with it either way. It was cool either way Seeing him doing the F5, especially after.
Speaker 4I predicted 1,500 F5s. Every time someone got them up on their shoulders, you said F5.
Speaker 2I was just telling you what was going to happen. Bobby AA, it's not a prediction, it's a spoiler. The AA through the table.
Speaker 1It's not a prediction, it's a spoiler spoiler.
Speaker 2That was a nice one.
Speaker 1The AA through the table was cool. I think those dudes, the suplex, those dudes beat each other up bad. That suplex through the guardrail was awesome. I'm sorry for our.
Speaker 2Spanish announcers, because they don't get to keep a table.
Speaker 1That's an infamous thing. They never get to keep a table.
Speaker 2It's always gone within the first two matches.
Speaker 1I was confused what he was doing when he cleared that off and went back through. Have you seen somebody goes under them to change them because they're not normally breakable Can?
Speaker 2I say that I really Okay, never mind, I'll just go home and say it. I'm just going to take my belt right here around my microphone, this little slap bracelet, going home with this.
Speaker 1You're as present as Wayne right now. Will you please talk?
Speaker 2I'm actually more present than Wayne. I know, I really, truly thought Dom was going to lose.
Speaker 1I did too. I actually thought Dom was going to lose. You never thought it.
Speaker 2It wasn't for the fact that they're going to push him eventually for a big title. They're wanting to do a major storyline with him in AAA, so I thought they were going to let him drop the title to go to AAA to get over there.
Speaker 1That's one of the other things. I thought that was going to happen that didn't was some Judgment Day shenanigans and there was no Judgment Day matches and no Judgment Day. Shenanigans. Yeah, no Judgment Day at all. I know, like Finn Balor not at SummerSlam was weird. Like Finn Balor, I thought for sure, for sure, finn Balor was going to be involved in Dom's match.
Speaker 2But yeah and where the hell is, carlito.
Speaker 1Bro oh.
Speaker 4That's right.
Speaker 1I don't have that button. Thank you, though. That's good.
Speaker 2Actually we get to go see Carlito on August 24th.
Speaker 4Yeah, can't wait.
Speaker 1I got to order the other figure, not guilty.
Speaker 4What is it?
Speaker 1Brock Lesnar was blacklisted by TKO, bringing him back into the WWE main. He's 100% cleared and found not guilty. What is it? Brock Lesnar was blacklisted by TKO, bringing him back into the WWE main. He's 100% cleared and found not guilty. Tko wouldn't risk something like this with how much they care about sponsors and advertisers.
Speaker 3I agree.
Speaker 2I think that's totally true. Also, it just means that Nikki Bella and their dad, because she's back in wrestling, or their stepdad did what he said he was going to do. He flipped on McMahon and told everything and then cleared Brock.
Speaker 1It also like sometimes gets outweighed and doesn't matter, like Hogan, like didn't matter, how shitty he was. No, because it was because he still how shitty he was. No, because it was True, because he still sold tickets.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Like, brock can do whatever and he's still going to sell tickets all the way down. Yeah, and then, and it really don't even matter.
Speaker 2Also speaking of Nikki Bella, did anyone hear about her injury?
Speaker 4No Her implants yeah.
Speaker 1Oh, once something popped.
Speaker 2Once down her. Yeah, oh, once something popped Once down her ribs, like she's like.
Speaker 1Is that uncomfortable, you think?
Speaker 2Piper Nevin would do it. Piper Nevin did an elbow drop and botched it and her actual elbow. Like she took all her weight onto Nikki. Like Nikki took all of it.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2And it like dislocated one of them. And she was like well, there's definitely a difference, you, all of it. It dislocated one of them. She was like there's definitely a difference, you can see it. She said once I'm finished with wrestling, then I'm going to have to get them back. Worked on.
Speaker 4What a weird problem.
Speaker 2It's just funny because I said for months I was like she's going to end up hurting someone. Most wrestlers and most wrestlers, female wrestlers, do have some sort of implant.
Speaker 1Yeah, I still think she's better than Abel Sky.
Speaker 2Except.
Speaker 1Bianca? I don't think Bianca does. Hey Is Nia dead?
Speaker 2I think so.
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2She's in NXT.
Speaker 4Oh, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2Yeah, she's doing, she's putting people over in NXT.
Speaker 1Let her be there. That's okay. That sounds good. I'm good with that. We didn't get that. There's a couple things I mean the Judgment Day. Being absent was very apparent.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1The biggest thing missing from the show and Lucas will agree with me and really honestly, there was a person in the mat. As much as I love this person, it could have been somebody else and would have been better, but Penta should have been somewhere in SummerSlam and it probably should have been, as much as people don't want it to happen. Maybe there's a reason the Lucha Brothers have always been together Because they pop so hard, they're so over together and if that wasn't Andrade and it was Penta, they would have won. They might have won.
Speaker 2Not Dragon Lee.
Speaker 4The Grande Americano.
Speaker 2His brother Phoenix His mask. It was so beautiful. Lee, his brother Phoenix Ray Phoenix His mask. Yeah, dude, it was so beautiful.
Speaker 4It was awesome.
Speaker 1Also, I love Andrade, but he was kind of absent in that match.
Speaker 2He was. He had like one spot. I think they were a filler.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think they were a filler too. I definitely think they were a filler.
Speaker 4I was going to put Pretty Deadly in there.
Speaker 2Because it was supposed to be Pretty Deadly. We did get to see the Hardys. Yeah, we've seen the.
Speaker 1Hardys Hand up Misbooked that Yep Hand up Thought for sure they were going to get involved. We had this whole fantasy booking situation to where somehow the Dudleys got involved and the Hardys got pissed about that and the Hardys got involved, somebody got put through a table and that started a feud in TNA because Bubba Ray somehow just won a title.
Speaker 2No, no, no, it's Bully.
Speaker 1Bully. Sorry, just won a title.
Speaker 4Why is it Bully?
Speaker 1It's Bully because he can't use Bubba, because WWE owns Bubba. But I think he's cool with WWE again, so they could use Bubba, but I don't really understand.
Speaker 2He took a title from Zillow Fatu the. Hog title.
John Cena's Retirement Tour
Speaker 1What are they calling Bubba on TNA?
Speaker 2No they're calling Bubba on LFG, lfg. So in WWE they call him Bubba, yeah, but on TNA they call him Bubba?
Speaker 1What do they call him today?
Speaker 2Bubba Right.
Speaker 1No, no, no.
Speaker 4Did they call him Bubba yeah.
Speaker 2Okay, I thought they just said the Dudley.
Speaker 1Boys no, because they own the Dudley. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2So another thing Hot, take the Hardy Boys. Look 100 times more better in shape than the Dudleys. I love more.
Speaker 1Nobody's more better than the Hardy Boys. You know what, though? So go ahead, Ricochet's not dead.
Speaker 2No, he's in the HOG or whatever. Well, that's.
Speaker 1Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's the other one that was really missing is I really really thought Zilla was going to be there? Yeah, really thought Zilla was going to get involved because he dropped his title yesterday. Right and Tomatanga, and Tomatanga. We really thought these dudes were here, because he's healthy title yesterday and Tomatonga.
Speaker 4And Tomatonga. We really thought these dudes were here because he's healthy and chilling. I was going on TikTok and I figured out why he was there.
Speaker 2Why who was there? Who?
Speaker 4Zilla.
Speaker 2Why was he there?
Speaker 4He went to Subway.
Speaker 2Mania. He went to Subway Mania.
Speaker 1Yeah Well, bro, it's a wrestling event, Like all those dudes are there.
Speaker 4Where they fight in the subway for some reason.
Speaker 1That's kind of cool. I'd watch that yes. I'd watch that. They literally fight in the train. That sounds awesome. I'd watch that.
Speaker 4I've seen somebody go through a bullet train.
Speaker 2Well, Zilla's going to be on Van Vliet yeah, he announced that so that might be kind of Brock. Yeah.
Speaker 1And El Grande Americano.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, El.
Speaker 1Grande Americano.
Speaker 2Ludwig El Grande Americano is going to be on Van Vliet.
Speaker 1How do you know who it is?
Speaker 2Because the torso.
Speaker 4I mean he took a picture beside him.
Speaker 1It's the same guy that's always been around.
Speaker 4We have three different.
Speaker 1Grandes, oh, okay.
Speaker 2It's Ludwig. Champ is here. It's Ludwig. He took a picture.
Speaker 1Van.
Speaker 2Vliet took a picture beside.
Speaker 1Who is?
Speaker 2Ludwig.
Speaker 1Grande Americana.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 4How do you know? How do you know?
Speaker 2I'm not doing this. He's swinging the belt.
Speaker 1He's swinging the belt like Seth. He knows what's up, he knows. Okay, so overall, final thoughts on SummerSlam Clay. I thought I was going to be a little disappointed, yeah, but I mean I am a little bit. I just wanted to see Rock Out of respect for Wayne Rip. Why no One out of four? How many turnbuckles you give the whole show Nights? One and two SummerSlam all together? One out of four. One out of four. It's not like a math quiz I know but I don't know somebody else got off.
Speaker 2No, you have to do it you gotta go first, because you'll change your answer. If we go, you have to do it one out of four. Do you think it was bad?
Speaker 1I think it was mid okay so like a two, there you go. That's. That's the thing to do. Give the mic to Monroe. Monroe, what do you think? It's barely a one, bro. Really you think so, most of these matches could have been Smackdown or Raw match. It wasn't PLE worthy. I don't disagree with him. Most of them could have been. I definitely don't disagree with that. Most of them could have been Monday Night Raw or Smackdown. Mine is barely a two. Yeah, lucas.
Speaker 4Two, because there was only like one good match and it was the last match, yeah, of both nights, of both nights?
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree, Imagine those. It was one night and those were both on the same show Would have been awesome. Would have been awesome. Oh, no wait, no wait, wait, oh, no wait, wait, hold on. What are we doing here? Sorry, I was going to get Colt to do it, but he was just yeeted, I think.
Speaker 2And that's all that happened. He would say John Cena is nice again.
Speaker 1What do you think, wes? You're the last vote, the resounding. I know everyone's saying twos, I'll go get Colounding.
Speaker 2I know everyone's saying twos.
Speaker 4I'll go get Colton.
Speaker 2I know everyone's saying twos, but I have it a little broken down.
Speaker 3More.
Speaker 2If it was just main events. Main events for a four.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, but that's not what we're asking. The whole show 1.5. Why you gotta be so complicated? We don't even have halves. But that's not what we're asking. We're talking about something. The whole show 1.5.
Speaker 4Production, why you got to be so complicated. We don't even have halves.
Speaker 1What if we don't have halves? What if we got bags of sand?
Speaker 2I'm going to give it a one just because of the main events. Everything else is a zero. The rest of the matches were a zero. Okay, the production was zero. The camera members were zero. I'm telling you, there's people that's going to be on the chopping block.
Speaker 1I only gave it a two because of the two main events and the Brock return. How did you like the show?
Speaker 2Grade of one through four, one being bad, four being good.
Speaker 1Did you love it? You loved it. What was your favorite part?
Speaker 2You got to speak into the mic, bub.
Speaker 4Tony Buston, john Cena.
Speaker 2Cody Buston, john Cena. Yeah, okay. I think three but hear me out. Okay, I'm not going to fight you, no, listen.
Speaker 1Before the main event. Before the main event it was a out. Okay, I'm not going to fight you. Before the main event. Before the main event.
Speaker 3it was a one, yep.
Speaker 1The whole show was a one before the main event. Yep, for real. But all they needed to do was come through one of the big things I needed to happen Brock Lesnar, all they needed to do, and the Brock Lesnar thing justifying so many things for me, that, uh, that it doesn't feel like we heavy marked out, we were just that brock was just coming.
Speaker 2We followed the fix.
Speaker 1Yeah, brock was just coming back.
Speaker 2That was the way it was I will say this, though, is one thing I felt that I haven't felt in a long time was we can mark out all we want, but man, it really we had like like no idea, you know.
Speaker 1No, I know, Really we didn't know, but I mean, it just like.
Speaker 2it almost felt like we were a kid trying to read wrestling pro wrestling yeah that's real.
Speaker 1You know what I'm saying? That's real, you're right.
Speaker 2Like kind of getting the entire because which is good, we want to be there.
Speaker 1That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2I want to be there I know it was mid. We could have done without everything but the main event, but they did keep us guessing, but yeah they just kept guessing, and Monday Night Raw after SummerSlam is traditionally pretty insane.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Right, so something usually happens after it too. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, I think we could get Zilla tomorrow.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Final SummerSlam Ratings and Thoughts
Speaker 1That Zilla tomorrow? Yeah, that could. Or Tomatongo, because that match was so lackluster that we could get somebody tomorrow. It has to be man. We're just in here fancy booking. Is he booking? We can possibly do? Let's go.
Speaker 2Is anyone else going to talk about? No one actually even mentioned this. Jacob Batu, the Samoan werewolf, came out with a.
Speaker 1I have a werewolf mask. That was awesome. Can't wait for that figure to come out. It's going to be great.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, there's going to be so many good figs coming out so many good figs. I counted.
Speaker 1You said it five times.
Speaker 2I only said it five times, though I said it three times Every match could have given me one.
Speaker 1Technically it was like seven.
Speaker 2The Axiom figs are going to be awesome yeah, the fraxium figs will be great. I hope they come in a two pack pretty good gear.
Speaker 1Pay per view.
Speaker 2Solid gear solid gear um ow, that had to hurt. That was uh Lucas dislocating his elbow. Yep, anyways, we're gonna final thoughts.
Speaker 4That was Lucas dislocating his elbow.
Speaker 1Yep, oh, it hurt Anyways we're going to Final thoughts, work or shoot Wayno leaving the podcast.
Speaker 2Work.
Speaker 1Work. Shoot, shoot, shoot, ba-doop.
Speaker 2I don't have an opinion on it, because I couldn't care any less. Boys, he'll be back. Wayne, come back.
Speaker 1I think he's turning heel.
Speaker 2Prove him wrong. Come back and be heel. I think Wayne's turning heel.
Speaker 1I could see that I would like Wayne to be heel. Yeah, wayne's a heel. That would be different, since Wes is normally the heel. Yeah, I just don't think he is. Wes is turning heel. He is kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, this is awesome, this is awesome.