We Love You, Indie Wrestling, Please Take Our Money

We kick off the new year with WWE spoilers, crossover fatigue, and a full-throated defense of surprise pops, then pivot to how TV production choices bury great spots. The second half is all love for indie wrestling, where grit, heat, and real crowd energy reminded us why we show up.

• Jericho speculation and why spoilers kill the pop
• Cardona’s return, names and trademarks, merch shifts
• Picture-in-picture burying match moments on TV
• Crossovers done right vs theme-night overload
• Three stages of hell pacing and cage logic
• Trick and Melo separation, Gargano singles ceiling
• Retro WCW booking vs modern continuity
• Innovate and Beau James highlights, Big Scary and Wild Bill
• KCW, AMW, OVW notes and regional scene buzz
• Cody and Punk as antiheroes, the Gunther question

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Cold Open & New Year Kickoff

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, showing color in T4 Productions proudly being studio the greatest wrestling podcast in the world. The king of the no-no noah. What clever, clean, chaotic clayboat. Warm and wet with. Yeah. And I'm MED, the Workershoe Podcast. We got two words for you. Welcome back. What's up, guys? Hey, you know I knew you were gonna break. When I wrote it, I was like, oh, he's gonna break. Yeah, I don't know. Do my best to make you break on it. Uh welcome in, Workershoe Podcast. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Yeah, we're finally recording in 2026. It took us forever. What is today? The fourth. Yeah, four days into the new year. Um, all kinds of cool wrestling stuff. Walls are breaking down everywhere. All right there, Adam. I just wish he wouldn't spoil it. I wish, I wish they wouldn't spoil it. I wish they would just let us be surprised. Um It's not gonna happen. They gotta spoil everything. If you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about uh Adam Pierce, the GM of Raw, shared a video of him saying like all the wrestlers were gonna who was gonna break the wall down on tomorrow's Raw. And you know, the speculation is Jericho's gonna be there. So I just don't want him to spoil it. I just wanna I just want it to happen organically.

SPEAKER_03 1:39

Also, rumor is they're creating a new character for him. Like, of course he's gonna be Jericho.

SPEAKER_04 1:46

I did see something about like they they were wanting to keep him like modern times, you know, like not go back to you know break the walls or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Yeah. Feuding with Matt Cardona, I think Welcome back Matt Cardona. Honestly, I mean I was welcome back.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

Very happy to see that. Always ready. When I seen him come out, you know it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. When I seen him come out as Zack Ryder, I was like, freak, man. You know, then all of a sudden it changed, and then I passed it.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

So that's what that's what got me too, because I was, you know, on the last episode when we were talking about Matt Cardona versus Zack Ryder and who he's gonna be. It's awesome that that they did like transition. The transition thing. That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

I was telling Clay, like, I would never get over WWE actually using like you know, people's indie names or the names they got over with, because I'm still stuck with Vince PTSD, you know? Yeah. So I I I I love seeing it regardless of who it is. Well, it's like Seth Rollins.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Was Seth's name in the indies? Tyler Black.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Tyler Black.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

And they had and they they were like pick your name out. And he's like, why? And they're like, because Vince said pick a name out. Yeah. Because we don't want to have to pay you when you cut when you leave.

Merch, Figures, And AEW-WWE Branding

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that's what it is. That's why everybody's something different. Yeah, trademark. Yeah. They want to own you. Figure talk.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

What are they gonna do with uh with uh Big Rubber Guys? It's still going on.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yeah, yeah. I think I think Matt made a post talking about like uh, right? Yeah. He uh saying like he's all of his stuff on I think it must be pro as and tease.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

You know, he's selling like all of it out in like the next 24 hours or something. I was gonna say, but then he did say the the figures are still, you know. So he's still gonna sell figs. Yeah, I reckon.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

I still don't know how that works. Somebody put him in what's his face's name.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Yeah, I know, but like I mean, I mean, uh well, and it's because it's there's another owner of it. Like, yeah, they're they're partners. But I knew his stuff on pro wrestling tees was gonna have to go away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Oh, yeah, because it's all AEW. Yeah. AEW and pro wrestling are like conjoined.

Cardona’s Return And Chelsea Debate

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Well, I mean, I just mean like he can't make any money off his own merch. That's well, that's what I meant. Sorry. Yeah, it has to be it has to be somebody else. I mean, it has to be them making some money off of it. I hate Julia. Where did that come from? Yes. No, I'm with him, dude. I that was the most disappointing. I know you didn't watch SmackDown.

SPEAKER_04 4:19

I I I watched the highlights though.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

But but I I Julia losing to her. I mean, her losing to Julia is so shitty. I don't even like whatever. Unless they're doing it because they're gonna push Chelsea. They gotta be. Because it just don't make any of you suck so bad. Like, that's crazy. I don't like Julie. I don't like, I don't like you, uh Wes, you know, yeah, we point everybody give Wes a hand here. Good job, Wes.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Everybody's happy now. Chelsea don't have a total. Julie's got a total. I wasn't even gonna say that. Well, just you know, you're you know, you glazed Juliet.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Damn it.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

I just knocked his bottle of water off. Um I do like feeding the homeless and video. You can't say that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

I can't say homeless?

SPEAKER_03 5:07

I have to say uh unhoused. Okay. Um no, what I was gonna say before you started uh rudely mocking me, Vince, um was I think uh I don't I think they were worried, hey, we just brought back Matt Cardona. We can't have someone that is publicly married to him both win. Like that's I don't I'm thinking like Triple H. I'm not thinking like us. Like we of course would love to see that, but as a corporate what No, I'm not the game. And it's also a monopoly now, so the game is monopoly, actually. But I just meant literally, literally. I just think that they were like, oh I don't think we should do this, and then they cowered. Also, she's getting pushed really hard on triple A. That is true. She is still holding the call, yeah. Yeah.

Trick-Melo, Roster Moves, Gargano

SPEAKER_01 6:05

She's still got the triple A title. Yeah, that would make sense to me. Um maybe she wins Rumble. So that trick with the call-up. About time. Still on the moniker from Swerve, the most dangerous man in wrestling. Stole that from him.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Had to bring some flavor to the main rumble.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Dad said this. Is that the worst thing for Melo?

SPEAKER_04 6:29

No.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Listen, I think it's I think it's a bad thing for Melo. I think I think Melo, when Melo and Trick split up in NXT. Oh, never mind. They're both on SmackDown together.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Yeah, it's he's done. Yeah, it's bad for Melo. Yeah, he's done. They're the same character. They're gonna have to separate them. They're gonna have to put them on raw. Put one of them on raw. And Melo's over. Melo's doing really good. Better team him back up. One of the one of the two. There's two, but there's too many tag games now.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

I don't know what Champa gone too. Champa's gonna be gone. Alleged.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

The rumors are allegedly. He's going to pursue Well, Gargano looks like he's gonna get a singles push.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

So also, you guys know this about me, but I could watch Gargano wrestle every day.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

I think he's wrestling, man.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

I I think Gargano, uh Gargano Carmelo was like that match rocked.

SPEAKER_03 7:17

Could watch him wrestle all day. You know what I can't watch? Super kicks? Him and his wife teamed up.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

No, I don't. Nobody wants to watch her wrestle.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

No one wants to see her there with him. Like she brings him down, I think. That's probably true. It's so cringe with her.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Yeah. New age, Taker and Michelle.

unknown 7:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah. That's yeah, that's accurate. That feels right.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

That's yeah, that smells right.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Oh, speaking of Taker, um uh by Taker.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Can I say that?

SPEAKER_01 7:43

The Damien Priest, the Damien Damien Priest and the wings? Yeah, the Damien Priest wings. I was like, ooh, fairy wings. You know him, bro.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

You know that's the one thing, too, that Taker always hated was the wings.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

And when his girlfriend came out of the back of the ambulance.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

See, I still ain't watched the full match.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

You should watch it.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Oh, yeah. Sorry I said that. No, no, no, man. I I watched like the the like highlights.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

It was it was good. Uh all-time best entrance, Clay. Alistair Black. Yeah. It's one of the one of the best ever.

Taker Lore, Priest, Ambulance Match History

SPEAKER_03 8:15

I think that was we haven't had a we haven't had an ambulance match since 2020. 2020, yeah. And that was Drew McIntyre versus uh Seamus? No. Uh it was Drew and someone. Drew and Randy. Because that's when they had the feud because Drew that during that feud is when Randy dropped the title to Drew.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

That checks out. Uh but I don't think it was that match. I just mean in during that feud, he dropped the title to him. More WWE talk. It was during the Thunderdome era.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Don't remind me. Drew. It's Drew's year. Yeah. Drew getting the big one. Drew gonna get Drew gonna get the gold and hang on to it for a while. I just want to say. I think the three stages of how much. Oh, yeah. I think the stipulations are Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? I think the stipulations are bad. They are bad. Like, I don't like the first one where it's just one-on-one. I think the first match the first match as a regular match sucks. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Don't you think that sucks, Wes? It does, but uh, if you're going back looking at the rest of the other three stages, they all started out that way. Here's what I think. And honestly, they they're not that great.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

No, a three stage is a hell match. Because what you get, sorry Clay, I'll let you go in just a second. What you get from a three stages of hell match is you get the first match, um, the the first part they're given they're given about 50%. And and the next part, they're given about 50%. And the last part, they're out of gas. Yeah. Like the the by the third match, they're out of gas, and you're not getting you're not getting a good part of the match. That's why. And you never got a hundred percent from either side. You know what I mean? Like, because Iron Man is the second I like or Falls Count anywhere, they're gonna do they're gonna do something crazy, some crazy spot. You know Cody's gonna put himself out.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Well, that's usually why the second match is always a cage match or a hell in the side.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

They should have did a the match that made his daddy famous, a bull rope match. That's why I thought when he said it, when he started talking, I was like, oh, they're gonna do a bull rope. Yeah. Like he's gonna do a bull rope, and then he's gonna do well, it's because it's because he had that really, really terrible match with punk where nobody knew what was going on. Yeah. Like the the bull rope match where you had to like get all the it was like a mini game. You had to light up all the turnbuckles or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

They were playing sorry.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

It was crazy.

SPEAKER_04 10:42

How to get all your guys in there.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, it was awful. I guarantee it. I will say um I like the old school steel cage match where you had to climb out. Did he say you have to climb out? Yeah. Sweet. You got to climb out.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

I didn't know that they said that.

Drew’s Year And Three Stages Of Hell

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Yeah, that's awesome. If you're gonna climb out, that rocks. Yeah, yeah, that rocks. I hate when people just go through go out the door and win. I don't understand. What do you mean more by pinfall? I know, I don't, I just don't get it. Why are we in it? Yeah, you just now pinfall, I get a little bit more pinfall because the first few steel cage matches ever were not climb out. They were pinfall. That's true. But they didn't have a door. A steel cage is not supposed to have a door. Hell in a cell is supposed to have a door. But steel cage is not supposed to have a door. Steel cage is supposed to be they put you in the ring and they bring it down around you. When did they start putting the door?

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Was it it's for convenience? No, I know that, but there was there was a stint when Kane debuted after that Undertaker cage match, and they're like, oh my god, this must be Kane. There was a door on the cage. Yes. And Kane Kane walked up to that door and they uh he grabbed it with both hands and ripped it. Oh yeah. And then ripped the door off. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

I've seen Glenn Jacobs in real life. I think he did that. I don't think that. I think he absolutely just ripped that door.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

Dude, not just that, I was showing uh huge. I was kind of showing Tanya the the Kane lore, you know? Oh yeah. Shout out, Tanya. Um it's but dude, I was showing her the video of his day. Surrealist story. And the physique he was in. Wow, dude. From Zerka. I mean, honestly, for his first I mean, all through from 97 to up until before he took the mask off, dude. It was oh three when he took the mask off. So 97 to 01. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Yeah, he was completely crazy in shape. Also, on top of that, too, is people forget how of course he was in better physique than Undertaker could ever be. Absolutely. But that that was genetics, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Um but what's his brother?

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Yeah, but people forget because this day and age, like Clay's generation, they've only known Undertaker as this Undertaker we have.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Actually, what kind of sucks is the the vision Clay has of Undertaker is not like a great one. So you have like him as the LFG coach and like him as like an like different different than we have. We never heard him talk. Like we didn't hear him speak. He started talking during darkness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

But when he came out as that with that big long goatee, um honestly, I think it was one of his best looks. The bull. Yeah, yeah. His arms and like the way he was built, like he was a complete. Yeah, right. When he would do the the the tight rope walk and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

But if we're talking taker, I would say his best physique was I could be wrong on the year, but like around 07. Dude was insane shape.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Okay, we just if we're just talking about builds of guys. No, I mean you're talking about takers.

SPEAKER_04 13:44

I mean, I'm throwing my throwing my opinion out there.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

So um I call I hi Julie too. I think it's fine wrestling, but I would rather see Chelsea. Chelsea's just over. So I don't I guess I don't get it. Um I don't know. What else? What else are we talking about currently? Uh in WWE anyway. What else happened in WWE? The uh Oba's entrance is the best entrance ever, and he should always be feuding with Cody. This Monday is about to be the biggest raw. Big old Raw. Also crossover.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

I just want to say and one year anniversary.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Let me let me just say let me be a hater for a second. Bro, uh dread how much crossover crap there's gonna be tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yeah.

Steel Cage Logic And Doors Debate

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Stranger. Uh uh, yeah. By tomorrow I mean today because we're recording on Sunday. Yeah. Um but on Raw, I dread how much crossover there's gonna be. It's getting on my nerves.

SPEAKER_04 14:50

And yeah, I mean Me personally, I've never even watched Stranger Things. So I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Yeah, I watched the first season of it. I don't care. I just don't I just don't want there to be I don't want there to be the new day coming out in Stranger Things Gear.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Yeah, no. Um Or the War Raiders. Or the War Raiders.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

That's the worst, that's my example of the worst one.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

I mean, I get it, but this is if that's how it's gonna be, then man, anytime they have a big show that like got popular, we're gonna get a crossover. And it's not gonna be like, oh, the the stars are in the crowd tonight. No, it's gonna be the same damn theme. And I'm not okay with that. Like, yeah, let there be celebrities in wrestling, that's what SummerSlam is. Let there be guest referees, that's what Mania is. But when you're purposely combining Ra's War with Sonic the Hedgehog, just because Sonic is viral and made you a million bucks.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

And I don't even mind I don't even mind the ads in the ring. Like I'm fine with the ads in the ring. I also want to point out I watched a bunch of old attitude stuff, and they had ads in the ring then. We just like to bitch about stuff. Yeah. They had Snickers. Snickers sponsored everything then. There were Snickers ads in every ring all the time. Snickers. Halloween Havoc always had a big sponsor. Halloween Havoc was like, there was always a like a Snicker imminent. I'm telling you, there were tons of sponsors. We just don't think about it because we like have we have like relativity disorder. We like we we don't realize that that it's that it's recency bias. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 16:23

It's dementia, Dusty.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah, I know. But we just we complain about it and then we're like, oh actually, they just did that all the time. They've they've always done it. Uh I bet Rhea comes out in some Stranger Things here. Rhea, yeah, she's gonna come out as the Demi Gorgon. The what? Demi Gorgon. I don't know what it is. No, like that's it. No, it sounded like you said Demi Gorgon. What? Demi Morgorgon? She'll probably come out as Vecna. That's her name. Demi. What? She'll probably come out as Vecna, the other one. What? What? Uh uh. I don't watch the new. Yeah, I have no idea. I have no idea. No clue at all.

Crossovers Fatigue And Ad Overload

SPEAKER_03 16:59

But it's okay. I'm not taking up for all crossovers, but it it makes sense sometimes. Like AEW, they don't do crossovers like that. But and they don't advertise it. But like Swerve Strickland. You know, no one saw him coming out as a Green Lantern.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Oh no, that was that was awesome. Like, of course he always does something cool.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

But of course, like they are they're they got that deal going with DC Comics because they but still it's not like come now to watch us cross over with DC Comics. No, they just have uh advertisement for DC Comics, and then Swerve was like, Alright, hold my beer, let me put this green uh ring on. He he always does that though. Like he was Black Panther, like the Black Panther gear. That figure is awesome. He's Black Panther, Mr. Terrific, the Predator. Like, he knows what he's doing. He was Kobe. Come at me with that. Like, you know, I ain't gonna talk about figures. Um like he knows what he's doing because he knows that's like if he does that, he gets a figure. Yeah. Oh and that figure is gonna sell more expensively than others because it's gonna be a special edition figure because he's only gonna wear that that stuff one time, and no one will ever see it again.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Yeah. Well, I I I love that. I mean, Swerve was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

But But we don't need a whole roster of people coming out as Vecna and Demi Gorgons and Demodogs and also here's here's the last thing I'm gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

The last thing I'm gonna talk about WB because we had a lot of indie talk. Um well, we got some retro WWE stuff to talk about, but the last thing modern boys if they don't take the picture in picture off of SmackDown. It's honestly there was a spot in the there was a spot in that um What was that? Who was in that who was that table the table spot? Damien and Alistair.

SPEAKER_04 18:59

Yeah, Damien and Alistair Ambulance.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yeah, well, no, where um Alistair meteor me or meteorid Damien into the table. Uh the table was against the barricade and he jumped off the ring steps. And meteorid Damien It was during a picture in picture with no commentary. Like we were watching commercial. Yeah. Jesus. Like we were like it was like a Pizza Hut commercial during during the one of the best spots in the entire match.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Had to have your nose on the screen just to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Seriously can't even see it. Like I have an 85 inch TV and you can't see it. Like it's it's it's it's really it's really a problem. I would rather it go to commercial and bring me back and catch me up.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

That's what I would rather it do. Keep it traditional. It was three hours, too.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

It was three hours because the last hour, the last hour is 45 minutes of commercials. I watched it. If you watch it after it's live, you don't you realize how many commercials there are, dude, because the 15 second skips, you have to hit those 10 times to get through it.

Picture-in-Picture Rant And Broadcast Flow

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Well, I saw too that it was like do that almost 30 minutes into the show before the first bell was rang.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Oh, yeah. That too is like the promos, the the beginning promos are always always too heavy, and like we're here to watch wrestling. I guess the experience is better for live people in that. That situation when the matches are like that, but the experience is supposed to be I don't know, it's supposed to cater to TV most of the time. But I don't know. I just hate the picture in picture. I think it ruins the whole thing. I think it's the worst thing about it. Me and Clay, like every time it's home, we're we're we're pissed about it. Every time it's home. I swear to God, we are. Um West, I know you want to talk about WrestleMania. So mine, the thing that uh What'd you watch?

SPEAKER_03 20:45

This is history with Heavy D and Wes.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Yeah. So listen, I call I watch Clash of Champions. I don't I don't remember what year it was. So you guys tell me what year it was. It was The Butcher, Kevin Sullivan, and so I don't know what his name was in this match, but it was Avalanche, Earthquake, Shockmaster, Shark, that guy? Yeah. I don't know what his mat what his name was in that match, because he was something different in that match.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Naming a kind of natural disaster.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

They gave him all kinds of names. His name was something different. Versus Jay Sullivan, which is Kevin's brother. Sting and Hulk.

SPEAKER_04 21:30

Was that the what you were sending me the other night?

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Because everybody was in Hulk gear, every Hulk gear, right? Yeah. Because Jay Sullivan and Sting and Hogan were all wearing Sting paint, but it was Hogan's color. It was like red and yellow paint and red and yellow tights. But Hogan was wearing red and yellow paint too. 94. 94.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

And they called him the Avalanche.

Retro WCW: Clash Of Champions Chaos

SPEAKER_01 21:55

The Avalanche, yeah. That's what his name was. It's because he had just came from WWF and he was Earthquake. Mr. T Griffin. Yeah, Mr. T was the special guest referee. Yeah, yeah. Listen, what was the and I want to point out that the all-time gear, gear was awesome. Jay Sullivan Sting and Hogan, and Hogan looked awesome. I forget how bad the booking was anytime Hulk Hogan is involved in a match. Because Hogan obviously didn't put anybody over.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

No.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

And Hogan won the match. Right. They they won the match after Jay Sullivan left. Jay Sullivan got beat up and threw out of the arena, like took it in the back and like beat up and like left. Jay Sullivan wasn't even in the match anymore. So it was just stinging Hogan. And somehow Hogan won. But dude, what was wild was uh after the match, Kevin Sullivan cut a promo like on the way back to the to the backstage. Cut a promo like they won. Like they were supposed to win, but obviously Hogan was like, no, it's not gonna happen. Because he was like, to be the best, you gotta beat the best. And we beat the best to death. But they lost the match. They just beat them up after the match. Like after the bail, they beat them up. Oh I mean, yeah. And it was, it was, it was, you could tell it was just it was just so oh, I guess he's dead, so I can't talk about him.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

That was probably, I mean, I'm sure it was Kevin's booking, anyways. Kevin's booking, yeah, in the match. And then let's cut this promo like a one right after it's. Hogan wouldn't let him go over, so he's like, I'm I'm you're I'm putting myself over there. Yeah, I'll put myself over there. Yeah, yeah. I'll put you over, but I'm going over after. Even in a tag team, he still puts himself over.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

It's crazy. Um, but what I want to bring up about that match also was um Clay, don't get mad. Uh, we need uh Sting figure with that Hogan gear. Yeah, that would be awesome. We ain't never gonna get that. No, never get WWE Sting figure. A man can dream.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Man can dream.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

It would be nice, but I think everything's still coming from AEW with him. Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

So we have been to Since Well we how many indie shows we go to in December?

SPEAKER_02 24:20

Seven.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I think seven. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

I don't know. Uh let's see. We had uh KCW.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Yeah, KCW's the first one.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

NWA uh Southern States and Innovate. So we I think four.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Yeah. Pretty sure we hit we hit four of them in December.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

It's beautiful. Oh god, yeah. Had an incredible time. Um we went to the last two we went to were uh shout out Bo James, Bo James uh event. Clay was in Clay's been in Florida, so Clay don't have any indie talk. He wasn't he didn't get to come with us. He was in Florida playing basketball. Sadly. Yeah. Um I get to go now though.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Not sadly if uh your coaches are listening. He loves basketball.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yeah. The we watched our first Innovate show, though. And innovate is um shout out, Innovate, shout out the net pro um net pro wrestling uh in Kingsport. Tennessee.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

So good. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Menu was awesome. Show was awesome. Um met some met some awesome dudes. Uh shout out shout out Draft Weaver. I got a question, though. Who was Bo James mystery partner? Oh, we don't know who uh we didn't know we didn't know the guy. Oh at the Bo James show. Well, that's lame. Yeah. We didn't know who the guy was, did we?

SPEAKER_04 25:43

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

We had no idea who he was.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

No, we have the only people we really knew was Bo, Stan, Gordon Murphy. Yeah. Yeah, he was he was Stan's partner. Um can I tell you about there was no steps to that show.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

They didn't have any steps. No, no, no, no. No steps? They didn't have any steps. Everybody rolled in.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah. They struggled. Yeah, they struggled, yeah. It was a struggle. Um they only had like six workers, I think. Oh, yeah. They only had like six workers, and and they worked the whole match.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

I'm not I'm not hating because they were it was good. It was a fine show. Which we also got to point out, too, that we didn't discover till the next night that they were taping.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

They were taping, yeah. We didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

So we was like that that we literally watched a whole storyline in one night, and we was like, this is a burst. And then we was talking uh to the faction the next night, and they was like, Yeah, we was taping. So I was like, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

We watch because we watched a group form and then a dude turn on the group literally in the same night. I swear to God, we did we were like, that doesn't make any sense to watch at least.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

We watched at least a month of a storyline in one night.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Because it's literally literally what we said at the end of the night, and I was like, Man, did that feel like they just pushed the whole like two years of storyline on us all at once? He's like, Yeah, and I was like, Yeah, it was crazy for an indie show. That's awesome. I didn't know where they were recording. Was it just the dude with the camera walking around? Over by the that'd be great. I think they had one.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

They might have had one over by the by the announcer's table, too. Yeah. Unless it was the same camera.

Innovate & Bo James: Standouts And Stories

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Uh shut up, Bo James. That was fun. That was a fun event. It was a good good ticket price, good concessions. It was pretty good. Pretty pretty interesting. Um hung out with the faction there two nights in a row, hung up with them. What's up? The the faction is called the faction. It's the fact, yeah. It's pretty cool. There's their logo is like The Office. I like Jeff Baker and Jeff Conley.

SPEAKER_04 27:30

And can't forget Wild Bill.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Oh, yeah. Wild Bill is in the faction.

SPEAKER_04 27:35

Yeah, yeah. Oh, I didn't realize he was in the faction.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

I don't know. I mean, well, from from my research, yes. Yeah. Y'all watched two years of a storyline. He didn't know who was in the faction, who's not anymore.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Wild Bill is this dude who's he's probably my size. Yeah. Like, um wore a mask, but a tight leather mask, like fitted like canes.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Um, and carries a bull rope, was just wild as hell with that bull rope. Hit everybody with it all the time. They just rant all the time. Everybody was like, ah. I was waiting for somebody to get got with it. Yeah, I can't believe that crowd didn't get got at all. But um moved pretty good. Yeah, really entertaining, dude. Insanely good. Super fun. Yeah, super fun to watch. He was he was really over. He got he got upset at us. We we talked to him at dinner um Saturday night.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

We talked to him at dinner Saturday night, and uh he was like, Were you the boys chanting for me to get back in?

SPEAKER_04 28:29

I was like, I said there was a bunch of young kids beside us, and I was like, that was mainly them.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

We were rooting for it. He was like, I'm so pissed about that. He's like, I'm tired. Because he he he had like he had like six or seven minutes in the ring. Yeah, and then as soon as he got back out, we were like cheerful.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

As soon as he would tag out, though those kids beside us, they would start going crazy for him. So he was like, Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Bill, Bill, let's go, Bill. You'd love him, Clay.

SPEAKER_04 28:53

Honestly, really fun.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

And he was the next show, too. He was the show the next night, too.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Yeah. Oh yeah. And and that that place was awesome. He actually hit a splash. Dude move out of the way, but he actually hit a splash off the top rope.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah, well, I thought he died. Yeah, I thought he died. Um, and then got a new new champion that night. Right? Because uh, what's his name lost from um Illuminati?

SPEAKER_04 29:16

Yes, uh Toby Farley. Yeah, Toby Farley with the grand champion, I think it's called.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, and Illuminati broke up, I think, that night.

SPEAKER_04 29:24

They're they're starting to feud. I think they're they're foreshadowing a breakup, which And CJ Knight.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Um it's CJ Knight's and that crew.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

And um it's I mean it's a bunch of dudes. Yeah, it's cross.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

CJ Knight's been everywhere. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Everybody's in it, actually. Everybody in the everybody in the Really in the area show.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Is in Illuminati. And then there's a show, what, next weekend? Locked and loaded.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

No, it's two weeks out, I believe. Two weeks. Yeah. Because of Innovates the Next.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

There's a show this coming weekend, too. There's a show somewhere this coming weekend.

SPEAKER_04 29:58

Do you know where it's?

SPEAKER_01 29:59

I don't know. It's on our schedule.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

We've been I've been saving them all to the schedule. If you go to the show and color calendar, you got the show and color sign in stuff?

SPEAKER_04 30:06

Uh what? Gmail?

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

No, I need it. Can I can I get it too?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah, we'll give it to you. That way y'all can sign to the calendar. Don't mess it up. Umly pointed out. Oh, I get point out. We have indie shows. We have indie shows, uh, all those all this month. And today, not today, but today, Monday, Kentucky Championship Wrestling is supposed to have a huge announcement. Uh, we don't actually know what it is. I'm not sure we have.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

No idea. Really excited to hear. Yeah, I'm super excited. Let's on the topic of, let's talk about those hoodies that they're all for it. Dude, I got I can't not wait to get one.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

I was immediately clay was on my mind as soon as I seen it. I was like, oh, that boy's gotta have that. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah, we've got to have that immediately. Those are gorgeous. Hopefully, we'll get some of those um immediately. Also, our merch on the way. We're getting our shirts. Our shirts are currently being made, which is pumped about those. We're gonna have a few of those at the next KCW show. Hopefully, I mean other indie promotions follow suit and let the best wrestling podcast in the world um have a table. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

And if you ain't down with that, we got two words for you. Please now. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Um what did you make? Never mind. I don't know, we're uh because it's the best podcast in the world. Thank you. It's the best in the world podcast.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

It is.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

As far as I'm concerned, I don't listen to anybody else's podcast. Oh, speaking of wrestling podcast, um, congrats to Matt Cardona. We already did that, but congrats to him. Congrats. Just want to shout out the wrestling podcast. Uh also, shout out to Chris Finn Vliet's got Stone Cold and Raven. You beat me dirty. You need to talk faster.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Yeah, he's got Stone Cold and Raven this week. I saw when Stone Cold was like announced. I did not know about Raven. Yeah, this is like Raven's.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

He he's interviewing him on location at the Broken Skull Ranch. Yes. He said he got to meet the Stone Cat Cold Cats and he got to meet everything. He got to meet Moncho and Poncho. He got to meet Mancho and Poncho. He got to go to his uh his pond that's filled with all the bass.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

And um he went, he's on location at the cycle ward with Raven. Yeah. He is going everywhere. He's on the cycle. But uh I'm excited about the Raven interview because Raven is unhinged. Like literally unhinged. He has dementia. He's actually they they said he's on the like the border of dementia or whatever. The Matt Cardona thing is the funniest, the funniest podcast interview I've ever seen. Do they have him on it? Well, but he was he was on the panel, he was on the panel and like Matt was there. And he was on the panel and was like, What happened to that other dude that used to be with y'all, you know, used to be in WWE? And they're like, they're like, who? And is like talking about where is he? And they're like, Are you talking about Matt? Yeah. Like sitting over here. He's like, he was Zach Ryder. And he was like, Oh, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

KCW Plans, AMW Lineup, OVW Notes

SPEAKER_03 33:03

That's him. That's that's him. Um he also talked about he he called out MJF, would like to get MJF back on there because MJF, the last interview, he said that he would not do another interview unless he was champion. Oh, and he got now he's got the title. Shout out to AW doing the right thing. You know, MJ all the best. Yeah, that that's a good idea. Kiss the ring. The triple B. All you gotta do is get hair plugs, man.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

I wish. That belt's beautiful, by the way. That triple B. Get you some hair plugs and you get a title. Hey, remember, you're not ugly. You're just poor.

SPEAKER_04 33:40

That'd start me at GoFundMe.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

GoFundMe. GoFundMe Noah's hair. Just kidding. Hey, at least you look good in a stone cold hat.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

Ooh, I love this thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

Ooh, boy. What? What?

SPEAKER_01 33:51

What? I drank a beer. What? And I drank another beer. What? Had some chicken. He actually just doesn't drink beer.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

So it's a lie. Um non-alcoholic. Non-alcoholic counts.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

So KCW, uh Kentucky Championship Wrestling has a show February 7th. 7th. Who do we have confirmed for that show? I can check real quick. Do we have anybody confirmed for the show right now? I don't think so. I'm not too for sure. I think Nate. Probably Nate. I hope he comes back for that show. We're hoping to see Nate, Sean Cruz. Ooh, yeah, Sean Cruz. Shout out Sean Cruz. I'd love to see Sean. I'm sure he is. Yeah, I'd say Sean and we gotta, we gotta, we gotta do Birto and the hippo.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

Oh yeah. Birdo is still coming for that ass, Sean. I mean, I'm still I'm I'm standing on it.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Um, I'm excited. I'm gonna hang out with Bertho. Don't talk about Sean that way.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

You don't mess with the man's best friend, Clay, okay?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

We're gonna have we're gonna have Sean over. Sean, he's so far out of town when he's here that I told him to I told him to come here and eat dinner. I was like, you need to you need to come, that chair's broke. I was like, you need to come to Neon and eat dinner, and we'll just go over the mountain of Argy. I'll show you what it's like. Nobody's confirmed yet. Okay. Well, uh, we have big things in the works, and Kentucky Chip Re Kentucky Championship Wrestling has big things in the works. So we're excited about um our future with indie wrestling. Um that's all we want to do is support indie wrestling and support indie wrestlers, and we really do our best to do it by spending all of our money at indie shows. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Or I it's me spending all of Dusty's money at indie shows. Oh, that's true. And just well, might as well throw all of our time in there too.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Oh, yeah. Okay, so February 7th is KCW. Uh what's that AMW show in Lexington?

SPEAKER_03 35:35

It's February 1st, I think. Who is confirmed for the AMW show? I know it's Enzo Amore. Enzo Amore.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

It's Appalachian Mountain Wrestling. They're getting uh, I think the Lexington Ice Center.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Yep, it is.

School Showcases And Young Talent

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Which is yeah, the Lexington Ice Center is where they're at. The Good Brothers come back. Um the first. I would say I don't know yet. I don't know if the Good Brothers are there, but definitely Enzo Amore, which I would love to see wrestle. Oh, yeah. Um, and then Marty's gonna be there. Uh Prospector uh will be there. Yeah, Wes. The other Wes Bo James. Shout out, Bo James. He'll be there. Oh, did you see his wife got a with OVW? Got a spot at OVW. I don't know that she's a job, but she's in their women's rumble. That's awesome. Yeah, that's really cool. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

Shout out to Julie Lee Judy Lee Taylor. Judy Lee Taylor.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Sweet Judy Lee. Literally sweet as hell. She's super sweet. Every time I talk to her, she's very she's actually sweet Judy Taylor. Very nice. She's a very nice lady. Um that that's a talk about Dorothy Mantooth. She's a saint. That's a step in the right direction. It is. It's very cool that they're that they're doing that. So, you know, um. That's a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Yeah, um, that's more or less so with OVW, it used to be you go to OVW before you go to WWE, but now it's you go to OVW before you go to Ring of Honor or AEW. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Or eight or even NWA.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

They've had a lot of their people go over to NWA in the last time. So that's the way it goes now. Yeah. Once WWE got the the center going in Florida, they cut ties with OEW.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

So we found out uh whenever there's not indie shows, every Sunday there's showcase shows at that at Innovate Wrestling. In King's School, which is which is their, you know, it's their training school, so they do they do um the showcases on Sundays, so like they train all week and then on Sundays when they when they're all trained up and stuff, they have it. But Krazo won a title on Sunday. Oh, yeah. Like last Sunday, Krazo won that title. Remember, he was like, he was like, I'm coming for that. He won that title Sunday. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

So that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Crazo was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

So is Claybo gonna be in the showcase?

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Hopefully, hopefully we'll get him in down there. Um there was there's a lot of young talent there. Oh my god. A lot of awesome dudes.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

We almost everyone was young, was young there.

Double Ring House Party And Cage Card

SPEAKER_01 38:01

Yeah, we went to B Dubs after after the show and uh and ate, and all the wrestlers had a table there and we're eating there. Took us hours to get our food. You know what? Say it. Say it. They didn't have anything. It was a bad experience, wasn't it? B Dubs was. They didn't have anything. Everything we asked for, they're like, they didn't have any Asian zing. I was like, bro, I literally just came here for the Asian zing. That's the only reason I'm here. Uh but it was worth it because we got to hang out. We get we hung out with the baker a few minutes and talked to them boys. So we I had the same experience in Florida. Did you went to Buffalo Wild Wings? No, we went to uh Hooters. You got to hang out with people in uh Florida, and they was about to like they're about to close down the full thing. We go in there, they're like, we don't got enough menus for everybody. Uh and we don't have that much food. So I don't know if we can feed everybody in here. And I was we don't have that much food. Yeah. What a plot of thing to say. Let's bring the rest of it out. Bring the rest of the food. We don't have enough food for everybody is a wild thing for a restaurant.

SPEAKER_03 39:11

That's not your fault. That's just bad booking. Bad booking. Bad booking on the coach's part. I hate it here.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Yeah. Uh Waffle House, by the way. This this you guys are missing this tradition of we're just just indie shows and then Waffle House. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Is every minus the last one. But every show is what is we hit Waffle House after.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

What do you call that? The J Uso? Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:41

Yeah, I guess so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Yeah. Waffle House. Yeet, yeet. I don't have a yeet anymore. We'll still wait. I replaced the yeet with the JR.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Still, still waiting until any wrestler is welcome to go on a Waffle House trip with us.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Yeah. Well, to be fair, we didn't ask anybody.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

Well, yeah, true, which we kind of you brought it up and Baker's like, we're going to be dubs. We're like, we're going to be dubs.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

That that sounds great too.

SPEAKER_04 40:06

Baker would definitely go to Waffle House. Oh, hell yeah. Waffle House vibes. B dubs wasn't on the menu, or on I guess on the menu, then he would have definitely parked the black.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Apparently nothing else was on the menu.

Indie Grit: Language, Heat, And Workrate

SPEAKER_01 40:17

That's real. She said, She said, uh, we don't have this, we don't have this. Um the food might be a little slow. We had a table 40 just come in, and my manager had sent everybody home already. We were like, That's fine. We weren't drinking either because we were because we were gonna go home. If we were drinking, it would have been different. Okay, just keep the beer coming. It's fine. It was alright. It was fine. I mean, it's okay. We got to meet a lot of good wrestlers, um, to meet some good referees, uh, really communicate with some people and you know let them know how much we support them.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

Hey, what about Scary Terry? He he's a Scary Terry. He was fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Yeah. Terry definitely an awesome dude. Yeah. Did any wait, wait, wait, wait. His name's Scary Terry. Did anybody say Big Scary? Big Scary Big Scary. Big Scary's his name. I was about to say, did anyone go back it up, Terry?

SPEAKER_01 41:07

No, his name's Big Scary. And we talked to him before and after the matches, and he's such a good dude. I mean, he's like seven foot tall.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Dude's massive.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

He's gigantic. Yeah, he's he was he was super fun to talk to. He used to wear a mask. He used to wear full he's he his gimmick was Clay's. Uh his gimmick was was Driving Cage. Clay. That's that that's that's what his gimmick basically was.

SPEAKER_04 41:28

I will say, I want to take all credit for him and his and Wild Bill's dub in the match. Because he was know it during intermission, you know, he was talking about it. He's like, he's like, well, be ready for this next match. And it was his. Yeah. So before he left his table, I slid him a sticker and I was like, this is for good luck. And by God, he went on to win it.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

I think he followed us, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 41:48

Yeah, I think so. I think so. Yeah. Shout out to him.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Um you make a duck face. You took a picture. Let's take a real picture. Yeah, I'm taking a picture of me and Clay.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

You mean to delete this part right here? You took a picture of you and Clay because you guys are the pretty guys in the group. Me and Noah are the brains. Me and Noah are the brains. Don't post that. It's funny, you guys sent me and Noah to represent the workers shoot podcast at the places, and we just raised complete hell for two days. We just raised so much hell for two days.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

That's the best part about it.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah, the crowd was dead except for these teenage kids at the at the Bo James.

SPEAKER_04 42:23

They honestly gave us a break for the night. They did.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

It was nice. We had to work so hard. And the next show was packed out. And not just as the innovate show was packed out.

SPEAKER_04 42:30

I point out that we had a failer telling us uh Jonathan. That was his name. Didn't get your last name, but you're listening, Jonathan. What's up? He rocked. He even said that that wasn't that was less than what they usually have. Yeah. And it was still packed out.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

I I think we'll I think we'll sit next to him. I think we'll we'll we'll sit in that same seat. Those seats rocked. The venue was so good.

SPEAKER_04 42:49

The seats are comfortable. Either we either sit again where we was or hit or get the ramp.

Local Heroes To Watch And Lists

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Okay, so listen, we need to find out that dude's name that we go to shows with all the time. That we don't know where we don't even know we're going to shows with him. So do you remember at uh KCW? No, AMW. Uh the last AMW show, the guys that sat behind us that knew that you know what I'm talking about, the ones that knew TikTok guys. That knew wrestling. Yeah. Um, they were at the they were at the show. They were at the innovate show. And and it's just like, and we he acknowledged it. I was like, hey man. He was like, hey, what's up, dude? Good to see you. It's like we literally just go to shows together all the time.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Without even playing that. That's the ones that you sent me the TikTok toe, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

Yeah. And I I don't even know. I was just uh just randomly stumbled upon that last night. I was uh I blocked his view the whole time standing up. I'm sorry, bro. Like we we every single one of us is in frame the whole TikTok of you know while he recorded of the show.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Cool. You need to send that to me because I need to send it to the group channel. Oh, okay. I don't read it. You read my messages, doesn't it? Yeah, I read the messages, I don't watch the videos.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Well, why don't you do that?

SPEAKER_01 43:58

That's what I do. Clay, my boy.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

That's why Clay doesn't know what's going on half the time.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

To be fair, Clay didn't actually read the messages either. No, we don't. He doesn't know anything. I was like, dude, it wasn't we talked about in the group chat the whole day. I was like, I know very well he had it muted, the whole the whole group chat. He just don't pick up his phone. Um yeah, the indie shows were awesome. We've got a whole month of indie shows, as many as we can go to. Uh 16th and 17th, back to back is innovate and and that fully loaded show. Yeah, the W8 Crossfire. They might cancel your game or something.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

Winter's over with.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Huh? Winner's over.

SPEAKER_04 44:38

Where'd be a house? No, dude. It's January. The snow ain't even came in yet.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Yeah, it's true, baby. Oh, if it snows it out, we're taking the Jeep. Hell yeah. Um, we'll be the only people at the show. So let's talk about that fully loaded. That the what's the promotion?

SPEAKER_04 44:50

I think it's locked and loaded. Locked and locked. But it's NWA Crossfire.

Social Push, Subs, And Usos Reset

SPEAKER_01 44:54

NWA Crossfire, that's what I thought. NWA Crossfire is what's that kid, that dude's name that made Tommy Henry and his daughter space. That's why I keep you around. Yeah. That's why I keep you around. Yeah. Is it Tommy Henry? I watched Tommy Henry Raspberry. I'm bad with things. I'm old as shit. Um, but yeah, the Tommy Henry Crossfire, every match is in a cage. What it says. That's what it says in the booking. Can't wait. It says every match is in a cage. Can't wait. And did you know Innovate has up double ring right now? They said they have double ring until January, until February 5th.

unknown 45:24

What?

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Because they have side-to-side rings. Because house party is a house party is a double ring match. No way. Yeah, I'm telling you. Oh yeah, Clay's missing that game. We're not going. It's house party. Actually, it's on a Saturday, and that game's probably in the morning. So we can probably we can probably go to that show.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yeah. You know what I mean? Either way, Dusty's going to that show.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Clay knows that. Clay knows that. The only thing more important to me than my kid, to my than my kids is wrestling. But I also have a game Friday, though. Well, I know, but we're not going to be able to do the style now plan that we wanted. Oh. But but we can drive down there and back. Me and Noah did it. Two days in a row, me and Noah drove to Kingsport.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

We drove farther than Kingsport on Friday. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Yeah, it's not bad.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

I've already got plans going. I've already got things in the works to go with it. Either way, either way, workers shoot. Someone's going for sure.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Either way, workers shoot will be represented at indie shows this year.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

With the locked and loaded, though, that is going to be a birthday trip.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah. And even even if I can't go. Which one? Luke. Even if I can't go, um, you guys, you guys represent us, take the pictures, you know, get the get the interviews. Oh, yeah. Do all the all the shiz. So either way, we'll figure it out. It'll be all right. But look for the worker shoot podcast at indie shows this year, because we're going to be there. And we're going to be there. We're going to be there strong and hard.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

Might even catch us down in the Chattanooga area later on. Hey, I want to go to that show. No joke. Hey, listen. I from what I understand with that TWE, it's kind of like another innovate. Just, you know, grit, edgy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Man, let me tell you, I love Kentucky Championship Wrestling. I love Appalachian Mountain Wrestling. I love traditional Southern wrestling. I love Wildfire. Like all those local promos. But I really needed somebody to cuss in the ring.

unknown 47:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

And innovate. Innovate it brought it to me.

SPEAKER_04 47:19

I mean, first, like first match, they were F-bombs to the crowd, flipping everyone else.

Worker Shoot: Cody, Punk, And Antiheroes

SPEAKER_01 47:23

I was literally like sitting next to the dude and I was like, man, I just, you know, we've never been to this show. We're trying to go to more and more indie shows. We need to try to find something with more grit. And he was like, You found it. Literally.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

And it was, dude. Me and Dusty looked at each other. It's just like, ooh.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah, very first match was like the dude was standing up. He was like, You guys are just fucking bitches. And he's like, oh, let's go. Let's go. I love it. I'm in for it. It was it was awesome. And the venue's really cool too. You'll love it there.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

It's insane. You will love it there. Honestly. I already love it. Like what you said. Yeah. It fits all the all the box checks all the boxes for in indie wrestling, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

And let's just point out, too, good. Damn good wrestling, too. Oh, the wrestling. Oh my God. Dude, so many people we saw that, you know, first time seeing them, Troy Parker, dudes are Troy Parker's soft.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

Oba Femi. He's Oba Femi. Oba. Pretty much. Pretty much. He's got me. Oba. His gimmick's Oba.

SPEAKER_04 48:21

Oba, but more like uh what jujitsu. Like he the dude can move and he can jump.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

He It's Oba with more head kicks. I'm so I know, I know. It's yeah, it's awesome. Um he wears like uh Muay Tab tights with a white tiger on the back of him.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Yeah, sick. Yeah, I'm scared.

Gunther As Career Ender Debate

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Yeah, uh, but he was he was great. Um Chains. Chains was the the Harley Davidson guy. He just looks like a dude that works at the motorcycle club. Yeah. Like that's literally his gimmick. Honestly, I don't think he did any wrestling moves. I think he did, I think he did an arm, I think he done uh I think he did an arm wrench and uh super punch. Like I don't I don't which is fine, you know, whatever. Flipped a couple birds. Big show. Yeah, he flipped a couple birds. Big show made a living on that. That's all he ever did. But we're gonna be at we're gonna we're we're gonna do big things in 2026. Uh knowing Claybone West uh or Heavy D or Little Wes's uh we're we're all gonna be at as many shows as we want. And extended extended showing color family is is your your sister's gonna try to go to a show with us. Yeah, she uh she's I'm definitely gonna try to bring her to a whole lot more of yeah, she's cool as hell and um and loves wrestling like we are. Nobody loves wrestling like we do. I don't think there's a person that loves wrestling more than these four people in this room. I mean, it's pretty insane. Yeah it's pretty it's pretty insane. It's just nonstop all the time. But yeah, look for worker shoot, look for us um socials. We just got all our socials revamped. The YouTube, you need to get on there and sub on the YouTube. We need subs. Uh we're what's our what's our sub count on social media right now? You said we need we're about to reach 300. 281. 281. So we need we need a few people. That was as of sun, uh as of Saturday, I think. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

So I need y'all to go ahead and super kick that follow button for us. Just super kick it once, though. We don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Super kick party. Speaking of super kick party, uh Usos. That's that's that smells like the same thing AEW done. It's like, what can we do to get us back over? Uh just put the gold on the big guy. What can we do to get the tag division back over? Uh put it on the Usos. And change their music to just yeet. Run it back. Are they they're actually running it back? Are they heels now? Nobody can tell, Clay. Can you tell? No. Can't really tell. They won dirty, right? I can't really tell who's clean and dirty anymore. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Where's Montez Ford? Maybe they're going that. Montez Ford?

SPEAKER_00 50:59

Where's he at?

SPEAKER_03 51:00

I mean, I know where he's not at.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Yeah, that's true. Oh, uh, we looked at that top 100 wrestlers to to watch in 2026 and a bunch of our dudes on there. Oh, hell yeah. Um, do you remember did you see that list that we sent you? Didn't you see that? Zodiac was on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zodiac was on it. Um AJ Kazanna.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

Both the Kazanas were on it. Also, KC. Come on, man. Let us tag you and stuff.

Callouts, Shoutouts, And Indy Support

SPEAKER_01 51:29

What is going on? Why can't we tag KC? I don't know. I can't I like every time I try to tag him, it just will not let me tag KC and stuff. And he doesn't like us. It's okay. But uh Zodiac was on there, Newsom was on there. Yeah. Uh was on the list. Hell yeah. Uh couple guys, Lifeguard Ross, a couple guys that we've we've watched a few times. Gen Z. Gen Z was on it, too. Gen Z was on it. Gen Z, listen, man. I I've just texted him. Yeah, listen. I'm so sorry. It feels like we have, it feels like we ghosted you. We didn't ghost you. We really just didn't, we just I don't know what happened. I'm sorry, please come back on the episode. Come back on the show. I'm sorry, we'll we'll we'll put you over, I promise. We'll we'll it was bad booking. It was bad booking. It was bad booking. I'm sorry. Listeners don't even know what happened. Nobody knows what happened. I still have the full episode. Like I have the complete episode except for the Gen Z interview. So Damn. Because we recorded it separately. Uh maybe it'll show up one day. Like I'll plug an SD card in and it'll be like, oh, it reappeared. It's okay. I bought a top-end SD card. It's never gonna happen again. It's gonna happen right now. Right now. Um Work or Shoot. Follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Click on the links. TikTok. Follow us, so click on the links so you can follow us on YouTube, TikTok, Spotify, whatever you, wherever you listen to music, you can listen to podcasts. Alright, that's the way it is now.

SPEAKER_04 53:04

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

And the podcast you can listen to is the greatest wrestling podcast in the world. That was that was pretty close. I like that. Umother. Smokey another one, junior. But yeah, really appreciate your all support through 25. 25 was an awesome year for us. Had a great time. Uh, had a great time with my son, uh, my best friend, my new best friend. Uh, and then Weno, I had a good time with him for like 12 or 14 minutes or whatever. He's actually he's actually texting the group chat now. What's super funny is he has the greatest. That was the greatest. I listened to that episode again the other day, and it was so awesome. Him interrupting was so good. But then he just fell off the face of the earth. Literally. He worked worked the hell out of it. So good.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Worked everybody and then and then gone. Like, is he working this again? I'm I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

I'm not in on it this time. Just so everybody knows. Worker shoot. Um, okay, to end the night, let's do let's do one big worker shoot. Okay. What's the biggest worker shoot on our mind right now?

SPEAKER_02 54:21

That's uh that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

Hang on for a second. Let me worker shoot. Cody on that line.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

So Cody You brought up an interesting point to me about Stone Cold. Yeah. That he could just be Stone Cold.

Final Plugs, Schedule, And Signoff

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Oh, yeah. That he could be like he's an anti-hero. Stone Cold was never intentionally supposed to be a baby. Even when he wasn't a baby, or I'm sorry, even when he was a baby, he came out and cut promos like a heel. Like CM Punk does. Punk is one of the biggest babies now. How stale he is. But like like Punk's the biggest baby right now, besides Cody. And when he comes out, everything that comes out of his mouth is heel versus. Yeah. And everybody eats it up as him being a baby still. Cody Man, I you're right, he's stale. Yeah. But them kind of crossing the line with him getting mad, him going to Drew's house and stuff, that's not stuff a baby does. Or you know, I know, I like that. Him him intentionally That's a good spot too, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

I like that.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Him intentionally shoving and pushing the GM. Yeah. That's not a a baby thing to do. But it's gonna be, I don't think he could ever actually be a heel. Like, even if they made him do heel stuff, he's still gonna be a baby because the way he looks, the way how everybody loves him. Yeah. There's no way you unless he just dyes his hair back again. It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

A man can hope. I feel like it's gonna happen eventually. It might happen. That might that might happen. Couldn't tell, could not tell you when, but it's it's gotta happen. It has to. I do have a worker shoot.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

Worker shoot. Gunther is just gonna be the person that retires everybody because we're getting to the point where all our big names are close to retiring. AJ's retiring too. Oh, he's just legend killer. Yeah. Well, he's gonna be the the the career ender.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Yeah, they already said it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Is that just gonna be his gimmick? Like everyone that is like is AJ's last match gonna be Gunther retiring him. Yeah, he's finished as a sleeper. Probably. Is and then when Punk finally retires is his last match.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

I'm good with it. Randy will too. I'm good with it. I got no problem with it. I don't think Randy will go out that way. I ain't got no problem with it. I'm telling you, Gunther is the best heel in wrestling in a long time.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

I I do agree with that, but God, that's gonna get so old. It's already old after two and one year.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Hey, listen. He tapped like a bitch. You shut the f yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:07

I'm gonna come up. I'm gonna call come across this table on your idea.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. What?

SPEAKER_03 57:12

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this. We talked about this before um with before Noah Noah joined us. Um we we talked about this a long time ago with Seth Rollins. I hated Seth Rollins when he was a heel. I absolutely hated him. They they heard me bitch about him so much. Like I can't stand him. I can't then all of a sudden like it I just it dawned on me. He's doing his job right. If you if you're a heel and they you make them hate you to the point where you talk about them constantly, then you you're doing your job. Hey.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

See introduce yourself. What's your name? Mark. What's your name? Mark? What's your name? My name is Jeff. If you haven't met me, my name is Mark.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

I just want to say this. I don't hate Gunther as a wrestler or even him being a heel. I just don't think he needs to retire every single one.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

He don't. He don't mean. He don't, but I think, you know, whatever. He's my favorite, man. He's my favorite heel in wrestling. I love everything he does.

SPEAKER_04 58:23

I enjoy everything but the fact of that.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

As soon as he tapped out Cena, he said four words in eight promos. Dude, and and it was and it was legendary. The heat was insane. Oh yeah. All right. Come to the end of the show. Want to shout out a few people and force their hand to come on the podcast. Kyle Maggard, if you don't come on this damn podcast soon, we're gonna raise hell at AMW shows. We're gonna give you so much shit at every AMW show that you're gonna you're gonna be forced to come on this podcast. And you come on this podcast and promote your show in Lexington, okay, and come on here and you can you can you can roast us all, you can talk trash, we can talk about Stanciere and how awful he is if you'd like to. Okay? Or we can just uh you know, we can um cook you a steak. Now if he comes in person, we'll cook you a steak. But because Anna's when when AJ gives on the show, I'm making AJ like I'm making AJ come to the house when I'm and I'm cooking for AJ. Yeah, making him a bullhead steak. I'll cook him a bullhead steak. My wife 100% was wearing the the bullhead ranch shirt. She is right now. Yeah, she's wearing it right now. Yeah, she's she's she's sleeping in the bullhead ranch shirt. Yeah. Um shout out AJ Kazanna. Shout out Kazanas, man. Honestly, that's a friendship. That's a friendship that I never I never expected. Uh we have a good time.

SPEAKER_04 59:56

And the way it was formed, too. So like so organically, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Yeah. Um also shout out troublemakers. Uh I watched some of their highlights and stuff yesterday, too. They're they're awesome. You guys need to come on the podcast. Uh, we follow them on Instagram. You guys follow them on Instagram. Uh Kentucky Championship Wrestling. Uh, shout out uh you guys uh uh Jim. Grammy Tackett and and uh John Hamilton. You guys are you guys are awesome to us. And thank thank you guys for everything you're doing. Uh keep up the good work. Um one of the best promotions I've ever seen. Actually. One of the best indie promotions I've ever seen. So excited for the blue and yellow uh in February. Super pumped for that. Can't wait for that. Uh KCW Ascension. Yeah, KCW Ascension. Way to go, Clay. Good plug. Um and then Innovate Wrestling, uh, NetPro Studios. That's some of the best times I've ever had. Shout out you guys. One show. Yeah, one show, and we're hooked. Uh, shout out Jeff Baker, uh, shout out Jeff Conley. You guys, I'd love to have you guys on the show too and have a good time. Uh support indie wrestling, guys. If you go to shows and you have extra money, support those dudes. Buy that shirt. Buy that shirt, the shirt that you want. Those dudes are traveling. If you even knew how much traveling they did and how much money they have to spend on traveling, and they don't make no money, man. Like, if you if if you're a professional wrestler, you're not wealthy. Like these these dudes are these dudes are grinding for the love of the game, man. I've never seen I've never seen people love things more than indie wrestlers love wrestling. When I watch Dreamweaver like just talk about his social media and stuff, man, he he just loves wrestling. Oh god, yeah. And it shows he loves Dreamweaver. Yeah, and it shows in his art. He's awesome. We'd love to have you on the show too, man. Um yeah, everybody hit us up, uh, comments. You can text us through in the in the comments or in the description of the podcast, there's a link to text us. You can you can just text me and you know tell me you hate the show, tell me you love the show, tell me uh uh tell me Gunther's great, tell me Cena's a bitch, whatever you want to tell me. Shut up, Dusty. And and that's we're in 2026 uh to have fun and to get everybody over that we can possibly get over. Support indie wrestling, support your shows, support your local wrestlers. Um yeah, man. It's uh the best time of life is when we're at wrestling shows. So go to wrestling shows. 10 bucks, man. You're gonna have you're gonna have the time of your life for a few hours on weekends, and it's incredible. You boys got anything else? Wrestling's good. Keep up with socials. I love wrestling. Keep up with the socials, boys. Follow us on all of them. We're gonna have episodes every Monday from now on. Um keep an eye out on the big announcement that KCW is about to make. Yeah, we'll share that tomorrow, too. If you follow our page, you'll see KCW's announcement tomorrow as well. Or today, if you're listening when it's today.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

But don't forget to hit that follow button, guys. All you marks, marquees, heels, faces, managers, GMs, corporation, whatever you are to the crew. Commentators, even the commentators, hit that follow button. Mark out with us. Technically, we're commentators.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:13

Yeah, we're commentators. Yeah, we commentate. We commentate. We commentate. Yeet. It's okay. All right, boys. Remember, uh, don't be, you know, such a mark today. Noah? What? Claybo. Yeet. Wes. Oh my god. Ring the bell.