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Snowmageddon: The Sequel To Royal Rumble: High Spots, Letdowns, And The Road To Mania

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We weigh a lopsided Rumble weekend where the women delivered, the men drifted, and AJ vs Gunther slapped in the best way. We map the road to Mania, question a masked attacker, and lock plans for our KCW Ascension post-show.

• AJ Styles vs Gunther as the night’s pure fight
• Women’s Rumble anchored by Liv, Raquel tension
• Sol Ruca’s finisher and Lash Legend stock rising
• Men’s Rumble pacing issues and production misses
• Brock vs Ilya optics and “work vs shoot” vibes
• Yeet Fest fatigue, Roman’s calculated aura
• Masked attacker theories and future reveal flexibility
• Kaiser vs Gable and Creed Brothers tag paths
• AEW check-in and MJF as S-tier heel
• KCW Ascension post-show plans and interviews
• Merch winners, stickers, shirts, and bookings

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Cold Open, Intros, Snowmageddon

SPEAKER_04

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, the team that brought you show and color podcast and D4 Productions proudly brings to you the greatest wrestling podcast in the world King of the North, Noah. What North of the East Claybo. Yeah, West Side West. And I'm heavy D the Work O Shoe Podcast. And if you don't like that, we got two words for you. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_03

The North. Yes, North. Yeah, you're North.

SPEAKER_04

Well up, guys. Three words. Seven words. Nine, nine words. So we're getting two. That's why we're here. Everybody's stuck. Um, everybody's stuck somewhere. Clay stuck upstairs. Yeah, West ain't seen the sunshine in three damn days.

SPEAKER_00

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_04

Check that. Figured no would like to. It's true. Yeah. It's true, it's true. It's true, it's true. I got kids. Um, so Royal Rumble was li was was Saturday night.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Um, we we didn't get to get together because of Snow McGeddon. We really were expecting to expecting to watch it together and we didn't get to. Uh how we feeling, boys.

SPEAKER_00

I mean okay, I guess. Uh I don't know. I'm still iffy about it, bro. It's it's it's one of those things.

SPEAKER_01

I'm bit more disappointed.

SPEAKER_04

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I'm even more disappointed. So if if you break it down, if you break it down match by match, right? Like the men's rumble is the most disappointing part of the whole now.

SPEAKER_02

Right?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Which sucks because that's what you're expecting. Like, big, so there's nothing big. Right. There was nothing major. There was a couple things that happened that, and I have my own theories behind a few things. Um, but you know, we can go over we can just talk about what what the what we thought about the you know the the great things were from the night. Okay. Okay. So the things I think were great from the night. I think the AJ Styles and Gother match was fantastic. I think AJ left it all in the ring. I think backstage they said, hey, do you want to beat the shit out of each other? And they said, Yeah, sounds good. Right? Because they clobbered each other with everything.

First Takes On Royal Rumble

SPEAKER_04

That Pele kick caught Gother in the face. It was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

He's bleeding all over the place, too.

SPEAKER_04

That's what I'm saying. AJ was they they beat the snot out of each other. So personally, I think I think that match and I think the women's rumble like made it for me. Uh, it was worth it because we're not always everything can't be sunshine and rainbows all the time. Everything can't be a million percent, you know.

SPEAKER_00

That's how I feel. No. I mean, it wasn't the worst rumble we've ever watched. Wasn't the greatest. Uh I feel like the crowd had their moments, but a lot of it was lackluster with the crowd. But I know I complained. Me and AVD were texting back and forth the whole entire time. We were talking about like the crowd was not there half the time. And actually, um I found out later on to get it to be at two o'clock for us. Dude, it started at like 10 o'clock their time.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't know that either. Yeah. I didn't know it was later. It ended up.

SPEAKER_00

I mean Yeah. So, like, no wonder there wasn't a crowd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I also saw something too. I don't know if it's just them covering their asses. They're saying that was just the LED lights on the seat that made it look like there wasn't people in them.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, then that was my theory as well. Is that because those LED lights were like shining outward and you really couldn't see people there, but then when they turned them off, you could see people. So I don't know. Also, the women's rumble, maybe they weren't sitting there for the women's rumble.

SPEAKER_00

That wouldn't be. I'll be honest. When the they did a pan with they did a pan around with when the women's rumble was going on, and half the seats weren't filled up.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's the only reason I said there's no one there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They didn't start pouring in until like during the AJ match.

SPEAKER_01

Right. And it boils my mind that they they open Delta in a month. They just got it done.

SPEAKER_04

That's crazy to me. Crazy. It was an open field a month and a half ago.

SPEAKER_00

It was a mound of dirt.

SPEAKER_04

Money is the only limitation, baby.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um but with that being said, like like I said, it wasn't the worst rumble, but I definitely had my complaints. But I just wanted more, like a fan, always. But I mean still rumble, man. We're still getting there.

SPEAKER_04

Best part of the rumble, I would say. I really like live winning, if you want me to be honest.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And I think that because she's been in all these rumbles and hasn't won one, and she's got runner-up on pretty much every single one of them.

Crowd, Venue, And Camera Misses

SPEAKER_04

And I think now is the time to give it to her.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Because she's she's over as the ever right now. Yeah. And I think I think her eliminating Raquel is the way to go. Yeah. And and it wasn't a heel turn. Like it wasn't a it was not a heel turn or anything. It was just she just had to eliminate her. Yeah, it just felt a little bit like one.

SPEAKER_00

Because she was laughing at her. She's always like that. It's gonna later. It's gonna later.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. I think it's later though, because I think Raquel, I think Raquel's gonna beat uh I think Raquel's gonna win the world title from Vakir. Like I th I think she's gonna beat Stephanie. And then you'll have Liv versus Raquel.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I like it. Or this would happen. Liv faces Jade at Mania and Raquel beats Stephanie for the other title. Which I I like what you said more, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_01

They're foreshadowing Judgment Day breaking up too much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. But I don't necessarily know that Judgment Day breaking up's not gonna be, you know, different than because it's probably not gonna like Raquel and Liv are probably gonna be together for a while. But Raquel's gonna feud with Rhea, I think, and that's what everybody wants. Like I think your mania match will be Rhea. I mean, because look, guys, where we're at is we're predicting mania at this point. Right? I mean, because it's it's mania season. Rumble Rumble puts us right into it, that we're we're predicting mania.

SPEAKER_00

And we're on the road.

SPEAKER_04

Rhea versus Raquel feels like the match.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um has anyone checked on Rhea after her elimination?

SPEAKER_04

She had some videos. I mean, my God. I think she's fine.

SPEAKER_01

It's rare that I see bumps where I'm just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. There was a couple. There was a couple that night. Uh the bumps. And the women's rumble, uh like Bree Bella showing up was really surprising because everybody thought she was retired. So her showing up and the people who eliminated her were um Liv and Raquel, right?

SPEAKER_00

I think so. I think so, yeah. Yeah, because it's it gives me it gives me more respect for um her sister that is in WWE now because like she came out and she is not in ring shape.

SPEAKER_04

No. You're right. She's not in ring shape. Like Nikki definitely.

SPEAKER_00

It was like it was like she went on the trip with her sister, and they'd be like, hey, you want to go in the rumble?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, like uh, yeah, I think for me personally, I liked a lot of the

AJ Styles vs Gunther Breakdown

SPEAKER_04

spots in the rumble with EO. Like, EO's, I mean, Eo's one of my favorite wrestlers. I mean, it's no it's no secret that's a good thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's she's awesome all the time, and it's no secret that she's one of my favorite wrestlers. But she's so good and and puts people in such a good spot to be so good that anything she does in the Rumble and Last Legend, Last Legend's awesome. But I don't want to I don't want to be able to push her. I want her by herself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Like she needs to be by herself.

SPEAKER_04

She's so good. She showed in the Rumble how good she is by herself.

SPEAKER_00

She's so good. I think that's I think that's what the what their their point of it was.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Same way with Oba Fini. Um was hey, these are the guys that are going to be, you know, on the next level, give it two to three years. They're going to be your guys that you're the face of the company.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you know, we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a second because I'm not sure. There was a lot of stuff that happened there. But so highlights.

SPEAKER_00

I just meant the next generation.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. So we know what Clay's highlight of the female Rumble was. Liv Morgan winning. For me, the highlight of the Rumble was Saruka. I thought she was awesome. She was wearing oh yeah. She was wearing Lita gear. Uh it, you know, you say whatever you want to say, but the Soul Snatcher might be the best finisher in WWE. It's, I mean, it's awesome, dude. That move rocks. The fact that she can hit it from like 12 spots. And I didn't know shout out 2K when I played like uh that move on 2K, there's like 10 versions of it. You can hit it from like 10 different spots. Like you can hit it, you can hit it from everywhere. And as she does too. Like, because she done it on the outside tried to do it on the outside when Tiffy threw her out. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Tiffy winning, I would have been happy with Tiffy Winham. Tiffy or Liv were the two that I was like, Tiffy Winham, nobody's gonna like hate on. Tiffy Winham would have been nice too. But this puts us into the rumble, puts us into the men's rumble, Tiffy probably doesn't need to win because if you just say Tiffy versus anybody, it's it hits. Like you're like, okay, that's fine. She can go to Rumble and wrestle whoever she wants to.

SPEAKER_00

Alright. I think she's gonna uh either win Backlash or the chamber. I think she's gonna win chamber.

SPEAKER_04

I can see her winning chamber unless Bianca comes back.

SPEAKER_00

Where is Bianca?

SPEAKER_04

Bad hand, man.

SPEAKER_01

That fang that bangers had hurt all the hell.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. She got a broke hand or a broken or something. Yeah, I know, cut it off, yeah. Fanger looks bad. I don't know. It's super weird. But her coming back. I think everybody's just expecting her to come back. Um and then you know uh I read a thing earlier from somebody on somebody on Facebook, a wrestling buddy. Uh where he was talking about um his views on Rumble and his views on the people in Rumble. And was talking about the Sammy uh the Sammy match specifically. And so this match, so A, this match doesn't feel like a pay-per-view match, it could just happen anyway, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And the problem with this rumble is how predictable from the very beginning, right? It's so predictable me and Clay actually predicted it, I think, accurately. You know, and almost everybody, almost everybody did, right? If you really had to like gun to your head and pick women's winner, you

Women’s Rumble: Liv, Raquel, And Spots

SPEAKER_04

were gonna pick Liv, gun to your head, you were gonna pick Roman. Right? And Sammy was never gonna beat Drew.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't pick Roman if you want to be honest.

SPEAKER_04

What? I didn't pick Roman if you want me to be honest. No, but but you weren't surprised by Roman winning, right? No, no. Right. And nobody thought Sammy was gonna win. No, but I mean, there I couldn't even fantasy booking. We couldn't come up with a scenario why Sammy would win. He was just not gonna win.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But Drew does really good putting people over without losing to him because he made Sammy look like he could handle 12 Claymores, and you know, he met Sammy kicked out of everything. But he said, let's go ahead. The person I'm speaking of said, let's go ahead and move on from Sammy. He's not the guy.

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you what I know about wrestling and being a mark. Okay. So what I know about being a mark is I know the story they're trying to tell me. And I get the story they're trying to tell me and respect it. Because Sami Zayn is supposed to not be the guy. That's what we're doing. If you think I'm wrong, that's what we're doing. No. Is Sammy's not the guy because that's what WWE wants you to say is Sammy's not the guy. Right? Just like who in this group doesn't like Gunther?

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead, raise your hand, Noah. Yeah, Mark answered, yes. Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01

We call that heat the business.

SPEAKER_04

Right. We call that hate. Yeah. Because there's there's people all the time like, man, I just don't like Gunther. And I'm like, well, he's doing his fucking job. It's awesome. You don't like him.

SPEAKER_00

He's a heel. Thing is, he's shown that he doesn't have to have a title to be that bad of a heel or that good of a heel either.

SPEAKER_04

He don't need it. You don't even need to put it near him. I look, all right, I get the whole it sucks him beating people and career killer as his moniker. Man, I think just let's just let's just lay into it. Just feed him old dudes. Feed him guys who are gonna just feed them to him. Right? I I'm I'm good with it. We did it with Randy.

SPEAKER_00

Right? So I mean, like I mean, yeah. I mean, can we just can we just go ahead and volunteer Road Dog Jesse James?

SPEAKER_04

I think I know how you go about road dogs.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. The only difference is every single one of these are set as retirement matches. Like I said earlier, it feels like two times a year, perfectly fine, and let it stretch for a long period. Yeah. And then just whip everybody every other month, you know, it's a retirement match. It's already selled.

SPEAKER_04

I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_01

Like he's he's 100% drop the heat for me. But I get the whole gimmick and stuff, but I just don't want it to get old. Like, get you out of this shit, honestly. I agree.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like don't shove it down our throats, but like feed him other wrestlers, but let him come out and still do the whole I made him tap like a bitch stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But don't give them a retire match every month.

SPEAKER_04

Make AJ go to sleep like a bitch.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. With the legendary stuff.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It was just like feeding them whole men and he's kicking their ass. You know, and that was it.

SPEAKER_04

And I'm good with that match. That match was awesome.

SPEAKER_01

It was, you know. My only complaint is just AJ losing, but of course that was everyone knew it was happening. That was gonna hurt you. Alright, we'll see him Thursday. We'll see him Thursday.

SPEAKER_00

Don't worry.

SPEAKER_01

Oh god, yeah, listen, dude. He didn't. He's just was taking them gloves off. Put them back on. He put them back on, dude. Told him to sit beside me. I was like, bang, babe. I was like, what look look. Yeah. Look at him putting them back on.

SPEAKER_00

Well, when everybody watches and listens to this episode Monday, be sure Thursday to tune in to AMC for TNA.

SPEAKER_01

I wore my AJ shirt for a reason, say you go.

SPEAKER_04

That's what's up. That's what's up. Uh so the men's rumble, right? So Obot won blasts. Makes sense. It's awesome. Obot one is awesome. That's what that's what we're expecting.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And what Obot did in the rumble was expected. Alright? He was the only man standing in the ring for a long time. He just kept throwing people out. Which is which is great. And that's what you want to do is feed him people.

SPEAKER_02

It's finished.

SPEAKER_04

It's the yeah, were you eating my sesame cake? What's funny

Rising Stars: Sol Ruca, Lash Legend, Oba Femi

SPEAKER_04

is we're the only people that know what we're talking about. And if these two knew what we were talking about, they would crack up. Because it's it's right on the side.

SPEAKER_00

We'll send them the link. Yeah, we will. We'll send them the link.

SPEAKER_04

Uh I'll put it in this video actually. Are you eating my sesame cake? So the way he got eliminated, though. And in the rumble, I think it was rumble last year that people backstage said that they were like dirt sheep said that they were complaining about people taking work into their own hands. Like like having spots. And we suspected it was LA Night, right?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

That's what we thought anyway. Which checked out on why he didn't get any title shots or anything.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it felt like Brock did that this show. Like I Brock eliminating Ilya. Ilya, like he knows Ilya's chest slap, which you can. I think he got pissed off. Yeah, I don't I don't think it's WWE booking either. I don't think that was booking because booking so far shows Ilya as a badass. Like booking so far, it's like, dude, if he didn't blow his knee out, they were gonna push him to the moon. Yeah. I mean, and and they're going to again. But he every single show, he has like blood on his face. He he's beat to death because he goes to war. Every match, he goes to war. And I think he pissed Brock off, and Brock took business into his own hands and literally picked him up and and shoot through him out of the ring.

SPEAKER_01

Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and then Obot was the same thing, right? Oba and Brock had this thing in the ring where like they kept having standoffs and people wouldn't erupt. They kept having standoffs and people interrupt. Like they never got to hit. So when they really did clash, it was so anticlimactic because Obau would just land heavy stuff, and then Brock just threw him out. And what makes him look even weaker is how Brock got eliminated. And they didn't catch it all. Because they didn't see it. Because of the Yeet Fest. I'm gonna let you guys talk for just a second because I have my own thoughts on the Yink Fest.

SPEAKER_00

I agree with you on the Brock. The one thing I couldn't stand about the Yeet Fest, which I couldn't stand is about a lot of the women's rumble and the men's rumble, which I texted you about. I was like, this is not their normal camera crew because they were missing half the spot. Yeah, missed a lot. They were they missed, or they would miss, they missed like at least three to four entrances on each other.

SPEAKER_04

And major eliminations. Major eliminations.

SPEAKER_00

Major eliminations.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um kill me about that. Like, like when they were doing the yeet fest, then they cut real fast. Brock was already going over it. Like we didn't see all of Brock going. And there was a struggle before that.

SPEAKER_04

Like they struggled to push Brock out for like two minutes before that, and we didn't see any of it.

SPEAKER_00

No one saw it. No, no one saw it.

SPEAKER_04

Hey, Clay. Yeah. I'm over it, dude. Uh I promise, dude. I I'm hating it. He needs to stop. Yeah. That's that's not heat either. It's like if you turn him heel, then it's heat. Then we're on it.

SPEAKER_00

But I w I think the Roman do it acting like he was going to run it back and then smacking him. Yeah. I I think that was like for everybody. So Yes.

SPEAKER_04

My theory they're catching on. My theory is they know that the run it back thing is pissing us off. And my theory is that's now we're getting worked. Now he's just doing it as it were. Right. And the Roman thing kind of kind of made me think that as well because Roman was like, and then smacked him. Like you said, exactly how we all feel. I think we're getting worked now with the yeet, with with him, with the whole entrance and everything. You know, like I think whatever the angle is. Also, where was Jimmy?

SPEAKER_01

I was wondering the same thing.

SPEAKER_00

Because he should have been in it. I have I have another question to add to that. Why was Punk there?

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Because he just he was there for the pre-show and that was it? Like they flew him all the way out there for a pre-show.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I didn't think about that.

Men’s Rumble Disappointments And Eliminations

SPEAKER_00

And uh, and like when they seen him in the pre-show, people were getting excited thinking, oh, AJ Lee's gonna be in the women's rumble.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And then he was never featured at all in the pay-per-view besides the pre-show, and she wasn't there.

SPEAKER_04

She wasn't there. Wait, I mean, why wasn't she there? Was it a one-time thing? I mean, I mean, it wasn't a one-time thing. I just don't is she hurt? Is she getting is she I don't understand because she's wrestled, so it's not. I think they swerved.

SPEAKER_00

I I think they swerved. Really? I think that's uh because they had planned on her being like Becky's big you know opponent. Yeah. And then now all of a sudden they swerved, and who's Becky's biggest opponent she hates? Dupree. It's Maxine Dupree now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they took all that and put it into Dupree now. And then AJ's just gone.

SPEAKER_01

I wonder I wonder if that's it.

SPEAKER_04

But now Maxine's biggest opponent is Natty.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_00

I'm just glad that they let her be Natty.

SPEAKER_04

Let her be natty. Yes.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_00

I'm into it.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, go back a second. Run it back. Uh go back a second. Um, I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask one question. Give me a simple answer. Okay? Give me a simple answer. No, I'm gonna ask you first.

SPEAKER_01

Who's the match person? Who's the masked person? Yeah. Dude, I don't even know. I always see so many damn rumors.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I mean. I guess the easy answer would just would would be Logan.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Not that I not that I truly think that. What do you think?

SPEAKER_04

What do you think?

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. I mean, it's it's Logan. I seen it could be it could be Jake, Jake Paul, it could be Pierce. I would like for it to be Pierce personally.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Pierce would be Pierce would be the coolest.

SPEAKER_00

Wes?

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Man, I've been thinking about this and I I thought about how like nothing against anybody, but how rusty all like the moves look. I was like, oh, it's Pierce.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because if it was any other wrestler that's in ring shape, I know I use that a lot, but those clothes wouldn't be that baggy on them. They would have hit the stomp better. Um it looked like Pierce to me.

SPEAKER_04

Playboy. I don't think it looked like Pierced. I don't think it was Pierced. I'd love to believe it's Pierced, but I don't think it is. Yeah. That's what I think. That's that's my take, all right. Y'all can call me crazy, but I don't think it's Logan Paul. Here's why. He suggested that Braun should win to throw us off. But in reality, he took him out to even the odds of of Logan winning and uh aligning with Seth to take him out and get revenge. And Logan was in the final three.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Uh you want to hear who I think it is? I think it's Becky. I think it's Becky. Becky. Dude, I think it's Becky. That's who I'm gonna think it is.

SPEAKER_01

But there's no way dude. Like they have facial hair.

SPEAKER_04

What they were wearing a mask.

SPEAKER_01

Becky's hands exactly. There's been up close pictures, but you can see like it's like around the mouth and stuff.

SPEAKER_04

And listen listen who it's not. Right. It it's it's not theory because theory came out soon after that. And Theory's hands were taped. And there's no way he taped his hands that quick and then went out. Hey, what if it's Waller? Right. But this person's skinny, right? You have this person the problem is the picture I seen where the person's standing there right before doing the stomp.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

They're so skinny. That's why I think it that's why I think it was baggy. Like, but like I mean, look at the big thing.

SPEAKER_02

Well that was the height though.

SPEAKER_04

They weren't that tall. If you if you go back and look at it, they weren't that big. That's what I'm saying. That's why I think it's like it's somebody we're not even thinking about. That's why it could be theory, but they were so they were small. Also, I want to point out it doesn't have to be that person.

SPEAKER_00

I was about to say it doesn't. It's gonna be whoever they decided to be later.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Oh, and the El Grande thing called that. It did. He literally called it right before he came out.

SPEAKER_00

Spider-Man Point.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I was like, by the way, he is ripped. He's huge. This is yoked Chad Gable. He's he's gigantic, he's got long hair and a beard.

SPEAKER_00

Still short. I'm all about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I'll be honest though. Like, I wonder not as I don't know how to say this right. I mean, I wonder how pissed off Chad Gable is that you know Ludwig got that character more over than he could ever have gotten that character over.

SPEAKER_04

Well that I mean now we're in it, right? Now we're in it. Now they're gonna feud, and it's gonna be awesome because that match is gonna be a rock. Those guys are awesome.

SPEAKER_00

I hope Ludwig, I I'm I'm dead serious. I hope Kaiser keeps the mask on, gets to stay as the winning, you know, grinding. I think he will. Because he's so over in AAA, bro. He is so over. Everybody loves him there. Very

Brock, Ilya, And Booking vs Shoot Moments

SPEAKER_00

over in Triple A. He got a new girlfriend while he's over there. Yeah. Yeah, he uh like Tiffany Tiffy just started posting her boyfriend because all those pictures came out of him walking around with the ring announced.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, I think In the mask, by the way. In the mask, still.

SPEAKER_04

He I mean, he's obviously he's awesome. But I think the matches we're gonna get with them two, like both of them putting the plate in and diving towards each other. Yeah. And just both of them will be so awesome. And then the Pete Dunn and Tyler Bate, I don't know their names, but those guys. Travo and Rhino or something. Travo, Bravo.

SPEAKER_01

Them versus the Creed brothers.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, that's just what it's gonna be. Good call.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Because they Creed brothers are just now back on television.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Where have they been?

SPEAKER_04

Waiting on Chad Abel.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

They might have been in more training, dude. Please. That move, that move that dude does just kills everybody. Cannonball. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Dad, who was the dude that came from AAA and was in the skeleton suit? What was his name? LaParka.

SPEAKER_01

LaParka.

SPEAKER_04

LaParka. See, you don't know. You don't know La Parka is. So LaParca is uh LeParka was one of my favorite wrestlers uh as a kid, and it's a legacy gimmick. Like it's like it's it's like uh um the Minotaur, whatever that that dude, that's a legacy gimmick, right?

SPEAKER_00

And like Mysterio Technically Mysterio Mysterio is a legacy gimmick, too. It used to be.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. But it's it's passed down, like the gimmick is passed down. And look, that's the new LaParca. He just got like he just got like he's just LaParka recently, like a year ago or something. So that's the new LaParca.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's been about a year.

SPEAKER_04

Because the old one hit that dude in the face with a chair, that crowd member. Yeah. Yeah. But he's awesome. I was watching Simon Miller shout out Simon Miller. And he was talking about watching. Yeah. He was talking about watching uh um Rumble with people who didn't watch wrestling. And and the two things they the two things that they brought up was the people who don't watch wrestling are people that uh are obsessed with Javon Evans because he's so nuts. Like, and and you're just like, well, he's flying everywhere. He's awesome. And then they were like, why is there a skeleton? It's like what's your skeleton wrestling? Those are two takeaways from it. Yeah, Javon's got the Iron Man in the Rumble. Huh? Javon got the Iron Man in the Rumble. He's awesome. He's he's as he should. Yeah, he's just awesome, dude. He's so good.

SPEAKER_00

I'm telling you, the men's rumble was a showcase to the new one, the new faces.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Oh yeah. Like disappointment of a match, but there was definitely great spots. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And like Wes said, the camera. That's Samoan. That Samoan drop that he took. That boy was 20 feet in the air.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. And I like what they did with Braun because if he's in the rumble, he has to win.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So I I think that was a good spot.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I'm here for Oba. I'm here for Oba. Oba Brock, Oba Cody, Oba whoever. Whoever you want to put Oba with, I will watch him. I'll I'll watch him. The ruler. I will watch the ruler whenever you want me to.

SPEAKER_00

Also, I did like Cody getting uh getting eliminated the way he did.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah, I did too.

SPEAKER_00

With Drew interfering.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

The Claymore. What'd you say, Clay? So I've seen the group chat, y'all talking about powerhouse hops, but I haven't actually read it. If you want to be honest. We know. Um. How do you guys feel about powerhouse hops?

SPEAKER_00

Wes? Um He didn't show me nothing that uh was surprising. Um I feel like out of the I still think there's a there there's a conspiracy that AEW and WWE is doing trades. I mean Underground trades. They got Champa. Yeah, they got Champa, WWE got Powerhouse Hobbs, and I feel like WWE got the shit under the stick because I mean, honestly, dude, he came out, he didn't do nothing, nobody cheered for him, nobody cared.

SPEAKER_04

Well, who got the better deal for uh uh who got the better deal for uh Pinta and Ricochet? Uh WC. And then and then the other deal I was thinking was uh uh Blake Monroe and they sent

Yeet Fest, Roman Tease, And Fan Heat

SPEAKER_04

over uh who was it debuted over there? Oh, Andrade.

SPEAKER_00

Right, so I'm like I mean, don't get me wrong, both both companies are doing good. They got great, they got great rosters now. Um but I just again I was not impressed with Powerhouse Hobbs or Royce, whatever you want to call him.

SPEAKER_04

And we'll give him more opportunity because he he might be, you know, he might be fine in one-on-one matches. Uh he might be good.

SPEAKER_00

He could be. He could be. You gotta see where the story goes with him, but I'm just worried that there's not gonna be a story.

SPEAKER_04

No, I don't think he's on the level of Champa. Like I don't I don't think he's like I don't think he's that level of wrestler. Champa's like an all-world wrestler. Like he's like one of the best ever. Yeah.

unknown

What?

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

We're gonna are we gonna talk about how they showed Vince on national television? We couldn't believe they showed Vince. Oh yeah. They were showing Rumble winners, right, Clay?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And then they showed Vince. And they showed Vince because Vince won one year, right? Yeah, he won in like I don't know. 2013. Or I mean 2000. Not 2013, no.

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_04

98.

SPEAKER_03

Way, way back in 1980.

SPEAKER_04

99, maybe. I don't remember something in there.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Something crazy. Um I don't know, man. I mean, that just goes with the whole they're on one side of the political road, and everybody else ain't.

SPEAKER_04

Let's talk about why Kit Wilson wasn't there.

SPEAKER_00

Um the Rock's daughter quit NXT.

SPEAKER_04

Same shit, dude. I bet I bet she was so against, I bet she was so against going to Saudi. And like was so against it all, and against everything and all the turmoil and stuff. And if you didn't know today, um I hope maybe I can put a maybe I can put the tweet here. Hopefully I can put the tweet on the on the screen. Her tweet today is like full uh F ice. Like the full like she let go. Like, that's probably why she was let go, is because she wanted to let go. Uh I mean, and you can't be that way.

SPEAKER_01

And you and they even had a uh they even had a higher pay for her on the table as well.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we'll see her in probably AEW, because AEW's all about that. They they want you to voice your opinion. They are that type of company not to be scared to voice their opinion. Hangman's still there, though. Yeah, I know. And he's still over. Yeah, he is still over. But I just meant I just meant they are more pro what needs to be pro.

SPEAKER_04

They are. Well, because the wrestlers are contractors there and not under contract.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Right, because you wrestle there, you wrestle.

SPEAKER_04

When you wrestle there, you're not under contract with AEW.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, the the uh the head of creative is not showing up at the White House with the rest of McMahon's to give the president a round of applause.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But you know, it's uh nobody's surprised at that. Yeah, it is what it is. I really thought they were gonna announce that rumble that sounded with my WB. So that's what I thought. That's what I thought they were gonna announce. They have so much money.

SPEAKER_03

Literally.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, did you see that Logan Paul thing where he's making fun of us?

SPEAKER_04

Couldn't get your seat, could you, bud?

SPEAKER_01

Green shirt guy sat hard campside before we got GTA 6. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what the what the hell?

SPEAKER_04

Oh, we would already have GTA 6, actually. Yeah, that sucks. You're right. Um yeah, it's awful. So Rumble, I I mean, as a whole, I I wasn't upset about anything that that happened really. Roman winning. The thing about Roman winning, uh Roman didn't need to win, to me and Clay were talking about. If Roman just showed up on Monday Night Raw and was like, I'm gonna wrestle CM Punk for the World Heavyweight Championship, we'd all be like, okay.

Mystery Masked Attacker Theories

SPEAKER_04

You know what I mean? Like it that's fine. You don't he don't need to win anything. He'd just be like, I'm gonna wrestle the world heavyweight championship, and everybody'd be like, that's actually makes sense. That's good. You're you're you're as over as can be. Because uh respect to the ones that stuck with Roman threw it all when he used to get booed, and now he has so much aura that nobody speaks, nobody says anything when he walks to the ring. Is what Wes was talking about. Imagine being so over that they're quiet. Like it's it's the opposite.

SPEAKER_01

But I guess I'm just gonna trust he was hated.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, right. Yeah. There was a time when he got booed. Oh my god, I'm just gonna trust Triple H's storylines on where he's gonna go with Roman. And I guess they're gonna give him Punk's title. I would think they're gonna give him a title.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I think he's gonna go after the title, but I don't know if he's gonna win it. He doesn't have much left. I think they said he's got like he wanted a two-year contract, and that was it. I say, boys, when his contract is up, that's gonna be the biggest upset because you know who they're feeding him to.

SPEAKER_04

I'm about to they're gonna do that with Randy, too, is what they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01

Damn it, shut up, Clay. Don't even hand shamus. Handshame us. Listen, I'm gonna turn through this phone right now. I just wanna I just wanna voice Clay, dude. Oh my god, I was so mad him coming out at 30. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like by that point, I wasn't expecting Jericho and up and be just and and and it was just at the same time, it was a smart thing to do because I'm fired up. That's what you know that's that's the whole damn point. God dude, like out of out of the middle man and two, I'm glad Roman got the win.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because honestly, if Luther would have retired AJ and then went on a random rumble, I'd probably just go strictly handy. Yeah, I'd be completely honest. Yeah, yeah, I was it was a right point.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I think it's fine though. And Roman's over, just like I said, maybe the solution is just your most over person wins.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And like you said, too, just cause just because he won the Rumble don't mean he's winning. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, so uh Rumble out of the way. AW talk minimal. Wes.

SPEAKER_00

Minimal. Tampa debuted.

SPEAKER_04

Tampa just put the TBS title on him. I like it. He deserves it. AEW, I'll say again. I say every episode. Uh MJF is uh uh one of, if not the best heel in wrestling. Because yes, because he is putting the title on him is never the wrong thing. He's the only person that should have it ever keep it on him. He's he's amazing, he's the best worker in your company, and it's not even close. He's the he's the only S-tier wrestler in their company. He's S tier, and everybody else is below that because he's he's so good all the time. I mean, you know, he's so good that WWE people in promos mention him and and copy some of his stuff and copy some of his moves. So, you know, when that starts happening, that's when you're over anyway.

SPEAKER_00

I'm glad his offer career didn't work out for him. What? I said, I'm glad his offer career didn't work out for him.

SPEAKER_04

No, that that him that promo where it shows him getting interviewed by Rosie O'Donnell, like, on that show, and and he's like, and now oh, I want to be a pro wrestler or whatever. And it like shows him kissing the ring and and like and doing his moves and stuff and coming in. Like, yeah, he's just so badass. Mm-hmm. Also super outspoken about everything about like all that shit. It's super outspoken about that. Because he's because he's Jewish.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. I mean, I'm just saying, like, again, if you don't agree with the aspects of WWE, you can be not saying like, of course, AEW has its its moments, but you can be who you want to be without them saying no, you have to dial.

SPEAKER_04

For sure. And Ava, if Ava went to AEW, that'd be crazy. Right? Because of the implications of the stuff.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not going to be surprised if she shows up there.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yeah. That's just pretty wild. I I would think because of who she is. Like the fact that she was there. But I agree with you. I don't think it, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that she goes. Um also. Did Moxley turn baby up? Is that did that happen yet?

El Grande, Kaiser, Gable, And Tag Futures

SPEAKER_04

No. Yeah, I don't know. Not yet. Yeah. There, um I had theories that maybe AJ would go there. We talked about it. Would you say Joe is out? What is he out? Is he hurt?

SPEAKER_00

He got hurt. They said he's out and definitely don't know the time frame at all.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I could definitely see AJ having a final match with him. Because when you think of AJ, you can see that. When you think of Joe, you think of AJ.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But yeah, he's he like he's he's gone, gone.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They won't even they won't even specify what his injury is. Gone. Dead. So like last time that happened was um uh Kit Wilson's partner. Yeah, Elton Prince. Elton Prince. Like they didn't specify what his injury was until he actually finally posted that he had double neck fusion surgery. And then it all came out, and that was like arresting the Saudi. Yeah. He'll definitely get arrested. Yeah, he he would like it's it's it's it's completely against the law. Yeah. Um to like and which is stupid. Yeah. They'd probably make somewhere bodysuit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they'd probably make a whole bodysuit.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the it's it's like one of their laws. Like if you're that, you're you're in prison and you could be sentenced to death, which always happens.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. But he's not, right? His gimmick is not that he's the gimmick his gimmick's not that he's gay. Right? Like his yeah, his gimmick is just he's against toxic masculinity. Well, like Wes said, turns out a whole country who bases their entire religion on toxic masculinity like it's just like they're gonna kill him. Yeah, they're gonna maybe uh that's not great. There's no women in the front row.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Um, but yeah, so outside of that, let's get to what really matters. In less than a week, we'll be at Virginia Kentucky. At Kentucky Championship Raspberry Ascension. So excited. I'm punked.

SPEAKER_00

It's gonna be a banger.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It cannot get here any sooner.

SPEAKER_00

What, Noah?

SPEAKER_01

I said it cannot get here any sooner.

SPEAKER_04

I know. I'm gonna make it to that show. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, yeah, I'll tell Wes about that. But but either way, we're gonna be doing um worker shoot's gonna be doing a post-show there. So we'll do a post-show, we'll have a post-show episode from KCW, and we'll we'll uh record afterwards and hopefully have some interviews with with a couple wrestlers um and get their you know their takes on their matches and and what happened. Uh and they who's better to do that than the worker shoot crew? When we live for Indies and and we've missed what one Kentucky Championship Wrestling show, I think, maybe two. Uh I can't their first one play. Yeah, they're maybe their first two. No, we only missed one. Yeah, I think it was just the first one played.

SPEAKER_01

It was just the first one. Yeah. Only because we have them there.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, we didn't know about it. Yeah.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Well, good job promoting, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but I'm just saying. Yeah. They was just getting the beginning. But since we've been there since the second, though. We've still been there since the beginning.

SPEAKER_04

This show's over. This show's gonna be it's gonna be full house. I think it's gonna be packed out. I swear. We've been we've been promoting it. Like we've been promoting it. All the other wrestlers have been promoting it. Like Sean Cruz is gonna be there. And Sean Cruz and Sean, I'm so interested in what Sean Cruz has to say. Because Sean Cruz, I uh I wish we could have got Sean Cruz tonight. We just the timing didn't work out. But uh whatever Sean Cruz has planned, I'm very interested in because I'm not sure if we trust that dude.

SPEAKER_00

Uh work or shoot, he's gonna fight Noah.

SPEAKER_04

I think he's gonna fight Noah.

SPEAKER_00

I hope he does. I hope he does.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, you you ready for that?

SPEAKER_01

Listen, I'm more than ready. All right. I want to hear what bullshit excuses he's got, and they're whatever reasoning. All right, and then we'll go from there.

SPEAKER_00

I think Birds.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. I'd say Birdo and Hippo got the way.

SPEAKER_00

He's gonna pick me up and throw me. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04

I'm talking about my Sean, dude. He's got some words. And and then we seen uh I seen a good promo last night from uh uh the tag team taking on taking on Corey Sparks and Chase Bennett.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Adam Newsom and Kobe Carmichael.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Yep, yeah. Newsom looked Newsom looked uh frightening as hell.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Ripped as all hells at that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, dude. He he always looks frightening as hell. Um that match is gonna be awesome. Uh Sean Cruz there with an with announcements. Uh

Legacy Gimmicks And Casual Fan Moments

SPEAKER_04

that match. Uh again, we're we've talked about this, we've talked about this event for two months, right? We're we're so pumped about this event.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yeah. Uh can't wait to get there. The whole the whole worker shoot crew will be there one way or the other.

SPEAKER_00

Um come hang out with us, come mark out with us.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, come mark out with us, watch that show. And I don't know what other shows. As soon as Snow McGate ends, we'll figure out what other shows we're going to. But AMW Showdown Too Sweet. Yeah. AMW Showdown Too Sweet moved to Super Bowl Sunday.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, 15th.

SPEAKER_04

Super Bowl Sunday's the 8th. Let's go. It's the weekend after.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Yeah. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, they moved until the 15th.

SPEAKER_01

On Super Bowl Sunday.

SPEAKER_04

I think the 15th, like 15th's uh Valentine's Day weekend, boys. Uh who's willing to who's willing to lose their significant other just to watch wrestling? That's right. Wes. I'm worried Wes wasn't gonna put his hand up, actually. I was thinking he was the only one that I was like, maybe not. Just because she might be in the room.

SPEAKER_01

Wes uh Wes is on the couch tonight.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Hey uh segment we ain't done in a little while, follow the figs. Um Chelsea Green's ultimate. I don't care when she got eliminated in the rumble. Chelsea Green's ending this year with a big title. Alright. She's she's she's going to. And um and Randy is the other one. You'll be happy to know that. Noah Randy, follow the figs. He's my there follow the figs for the week because his ultimate got an ounce. So Randy, Randy getting an ultimate is a big deal. Because last time Randy got an ultimate, he won a title.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, sir. Okay, okay. Oh, that's follow the ultimate. It's always good to get a Randy ultimate.

SPEAKER_04

It's it's the only it's the only booking clue that almost always pans out. Like we've we followed the figs multiple times and it almost always pans out. Yeah, um, what else we got, boys?

SPEAKER_02

Um man.

SPEAKER_00

I think we covered it. It's been a long weekend.

SPEAKER_04

It's been a long weekend.

SPEAKER_00

Good weekend. It's a good weekend. Good weekend for wrestling. Um, of course, Noma getting happened, so we got some, like you said, with AMW rerouting where when they're having their show and stuff, but still, it was a good weekend for wrestling.

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04

And we had a fun time doing our um rumble board. Yeah, we did we did our rumble board. Um I saw that. Got numbers on socials, had a good time. Uh Klay's got the winners wrote down. We're gonna we gotta get on there and we gotta get on there and tell the winners who they are. We're gonna try to give them some work and two merch. We get some get some new stickers, some new uh new gear printed, we'll we'll send them some merch winners to that stuff. Uh got that stuff on the way. Shirts. Hopefully we'll have them by next week. I don't see it happening, but uh we'll have shirts pretty soon ready for everybody. Send send out to all the pro wrestlers. Also, book uh book workership. Come on come on the podcast and uh we'll we'll interview you. We'll have a great time. Um yeah guys, uh this is this has been awesome. Next we'll have another guest next week after the Ascension show. So um we'll see we'll see who we who we grab for that. But we got a couple guests lined up for next month. Uh next month, I mean to today. It's February. So yeah, we'll the start of February, and February is gonna be an awesome month for the worker shoot podcast and for independent wrestling in general. Uh as always, support indie wrestling. Um uh you know, follow us on follow us on all the socials. Wes.

Roman’s Win, Predictability, And Mania Paths

SPEAKER_00

You gotta super kick that follow button, guys. Get us up there. We're trying to get everybody as over as possible. So if you get us over, we're getting you over.

SPEAKER_04

Hey, we we're we're gonna put everybody over, right? We're gonna we're gonna get over and we're gonna put everybody over. So just get over.

SPEAKER_01

All right, boys.

SPEAKER_04

No, we're all just trying to get over. That's all we're that's all we're trying to do. All right. Anyone got anything else? I didn't yawn as much this episode. No, you didn't. You weren't tired at all, boys. Weren't tired at all. Good job. All right, don't forget to support Indy Wrestling. Noah.

SPEAKER_01

Wrestling's good, baby.

SPEAKER_04

Wes? Claybo. Hey boys, don't be marked today. Ring the bell. Hey, don't pull this out. Don't forget, don't plug this in.