Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
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Work Or Shoot?: A Wrestling Podcast
Indie Wrestling Heat, Triple Threats, And A Target On The KCW Champion
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We hit Vergie for KCW Ascension and watched a surprise triple threat, a fired-up debut from Party McFly, and Sean Cruz turn the crowd on a dime. The lights were new, the gym was loud, and the heavyweight scene now has a clear challenger with real momentum.
• Party McFly’s Kentucky debut and move-set showcase
• Impromptu triple threat and post-match chaos
• Cruz’s heel philosophy on titles, heat and business
• Unfinished business with Doug Delicious, Gen Z and Chainsaw Nate
• Praise for Spencer Slade and Lifeguard Ross
• KCW’s upgraded production and classic presentation
• Merch, money and why reactions beat move reels
• Upcoming dates in Virginia, Georgia and potential international plans
• Event recap, food review and venue impressions
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Live From KCW Ascension
SPEAKER_06Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, showing color productions, and T4 Productions proudly brings to you the greatest podcast in the world. Claybo. Yeah Wes. Oh, Noah. What? And I'm Heavy D, the Workershoot Podcast. And if you don't like that, we got two words for ya. What's up? What's up, guys? Hey. Party on. You did it again, though. I don't know if you're uh work or shoot. Clay, don't know how many words. Two are. I still don't know. And with us, uh with us on this beautiful night, we have the party central, the party time, excellent party McFly.
SPEAKER_00Mr. Potts in the building. Flesh in the color. Oh, just got done with this match here. Kentucky Championship. But I love it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. It's it was an awesome show. You put on a great show. First time we seen you work, it was awesome.
SPEAKER_00My debut here in the state. Oh, really? So welcome to Kentucky. I don't know if you guys know this with the State Athletic Commission goes, let you go through hoops to give you a chance to get in this building. So I'm glad I'm healthy. That's all I could say.
SPEAKER_06I believe that. Absolutely. Yeah, we've seen you in a triple threat tonight.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Impromptu. Unexpected. Triple threat.
SPEAKER_06Impromptu triple threat. Also, I just want to point out we're in Vergie, Kentucky, at the Nest. Kentucky Championship Wrestling, Ascension, incredible show. Incredible main event and co-main event, and the whole lineup was awesome. Surprises. And I mean,
Meet Party McFly
SPEAKER_06is Sean Cruz a menace or what?
SPEAKER_03God, dude, I love it. He's the biggest piece of shit there is.
SPEAKER_06Oh, you need to call him.
SPEAKER_03I stand on it.
SPEAKER_06You got so much heat. He's about to be sitting here in a second. I think good. Good. Sean, he's talking shit. This is not an adult podcast either, so I don't know what's going on. I'm making my mind on here, buddy. All right. So, Party, where are you from?
SPEAKER_00I'm originally from Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER_06Oh, D.C. That's not too far.
SPEAKER_00So I live kind of down on that end. I took a six-hour drive to get up here.
SPEAKER_06Oh. Was it worth it?
SPEAKER_00Uh hell yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. Oh hell yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we um we got super pumped when we seen you on the card. And then the promo, the promo, which I get, I got all the the hints from, like starting out playing the shoot on. Yeah, I was like, House of the dead.
SPEAKER_00I was like, this dude knows what's up. Yeah. Look, I was looking for a time crisis. I know.
SPEAKER_06It's probably really hard to find the time crisis.
SPEAKER_00You gotta go to an old uh movie theater to get one of the yeah.
SPEAKER_06We got one actually.
SPEAKER_04Probably in Norton, there's probably a time crisis there. I remember having a copy of the PS1. Oh, yeah. And like the gun never like we go off the rails so easily, man.
SPEAKER_00Y'all remember when the PS3 was trying to copy off the 360 uh the connect the connect. Oh yeah. That was the one PlayStation came out with a time crisis game. I remember it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And we thought, I remember when I seen it, I was like, oh, that's what's gonna get over. That's gonna that's gonna put them that's gonna put them over with that. Is that actually it turns out it just sucked. It just sucked. The whole thing, the whole thing was just bad. Never happened. Um so we've seen some we've seen some crazy stuff tonight on the table are the new the new uh heavyweight wrestling champion tag team titles for Kentucky Championship Wrestling. Look, stick, don't they clay? Slap that slap that title there, Clay. Give you a little slap.
SPEAKER_00We love our sense of uh nostalgia up and party yeah.
SPEAKER_06Aren't they awesome? We love the whole vibe of KCW because the belt is obviously looks like the NWA belt.
SPEAKER_00I need some uh British Bulldogs up in here if you don't know.
SPEAKER_06If you know, you know. So I hope we'll see you again here. I assume we will I plan on it for sure because it's the crowd was awesome tonight.
SPEAKER_00Well, see now after the way the match ended, and
Kentucky Debut And Triple Threat Chaos
SPEAKER_00that's true, you guys catch it online so you see what I'm talking about. Yeah, but after the way tonight ended, I've got two unfinished businesses going on. Actually, three, because not only did Doug Delicious get a back injury out of the match, replacement was Gen Z. Good, awesome. Next thing you know, Mr. Chainsaw Nate wanted to insert himself in my show.
SPEAKER_06That was rough.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, cool. We made it work. I'm cool with Nate. I like the dude, and then he wants to give me a stunner at the end of the night. So we've got I really thought he was better than that.
SPEAKER_06I really thought he was better than that. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think we all thought he was better than that. I think that black dahlia has gotten a little possessed though. So I think you might be able to do that.
SPEAKER_06Well, so blame anything on her. I'm just blaming it. We really thought she was gonna interfere on her. I thought she was gonna interfere. I thought you were gonna take a black dahlia dropkick.
SPEAKER_00Listen. No comment.
SPEAKER_06We'll keep that there. Um, so what was your what was your favorite part of the night? Did you get to did did you get to watch much of the show?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm definitely a stickler if I'm able to to be in the back and watch uh as many matches as I can. Oh uh Love Spencer Slade, him and I tied up in the ring before. Um the dude takes you to your limit, so that's what I love about him. Uh man, the lifeguard. The lifeguard. I told you. I thought I had fighting me, this man, who was not quitting. Yeah, he always not quitting goes to the show.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he goes a hundred thousand percent everywhere he's everywhere we've ever seen him wrestle. And we follow him pretty much everywhere. We've seen him wrestle everywhere.
SPEAKER_00And then we have Sean Cruz, and you guys are gonna hear it first. I'm eyeing that belt. Oh please take it from him. Let me get through Doug. Let me get through Gen Z. Let me get through Nate. Anybody else that uh Jonathan has lined up for me? But I'm eyeing that belt.
SPEAKER_03God, that gets me, that gets me excited. His time's coming. I'm a patient man for you. I can wait for you.
SPEAKER_00After I heard that crowd tonight, I think it's enough.
SPEAKER_06Dude, and by and by the time by the time that that rolls around, this gym's gonna be full, bro. Yeah, this gym's gonna be full. Yeah, amen.
SPEAKER_00We had a pretty good crowd tonight, though, as it is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Man, those bad kids were ruckus, wasn't they? Those kids beside us. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Those are my friends right there.
SPEAKER_06Sean made one cry.
SPEAKER_03Gen Z made.
SPEAKER_00Gen Z made one run. Gen Z. And you know why? Because the man was jealous, because he bought my headman.
SPEAKER_06That makes sense. Um, so what's your what's your finisher?
SPEAKER_00So um, I've got a few.
SPEAKER_06Um we
Arcade Nostalgia And Gear Talk
SPEAKER_06didn't get to say, I don't think we got to see it tonight.
SPEAKER_00Not really. Um, I have a party crasher.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_00I take the man in a headlock, run up the ropes, big giant bulldog. Oh, beautiful. Yes, yes, yes. You guys saw me hit the kid and play today. Uh and that is the scissor kick. Right, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I usually don't throw this unless it's a desperation move and look like I had to use it. So you guys saw me use the super kick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And trust me, if I give you a super kick, it's over.
SPEAKER_06It's more like a sweet chin music than a than a super kick.
SPEAKER_00It's over, and I ain't afraid to tune no bands.
SPEAKER_06Because the Usos be Usos be throwing 400 super kicks a match, and nobody ever gets beat by one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I know some bucks that did the same. But yes, that's the name of my finisher. Um I threw drop kicks, I threw uh monkey flips, I hit crossbows, I hit missile drop kicks, I hit anything that I think that you got aired more than the match. You got aired. It was awesome. Yes.
SPEAKER_06I had the best time watching that.
SPEAKER_00And the great thing is with the way the match went out, y'all have not even seen nothing yet.
SPEAKER_06We're so pumped about all the all the talent. Uh everybody that works for KCW. It's it's amazing. It's great.
SPEAKER_00The setup is awesome from the long rampway to the lights. We have uh new lights here for this setup above the ring, just gives that old school intimate feel. That old for uh newer fans, NXT black and gold feel. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. So I love it.
SPEAKER_06Well, we had the we had the best time, um, and we look forward to seeing you work again. Where's your next show?
SPEAKER_00Let's see here. I will be next week. It's Valentine's Day, isn't it? Yeah, I will be down in Yorktown, Virginia, right outside Newport News Hampton area for Mid-Atlantic Territory Wrestling. I am I am their current television champion. Raining, defending. So you can catch uh our TV product on rightnowtelevision.com. Oh, sweet. Live Tuesdays and Thursdays at 8 o'clock. Um, or just catch the episode being posted anywhere between uh Sunday and Tuesdays on YouTube. Okay, okay. Yep, okay.
SPEAKER_06That's awesome, man. We look forward to seeing you work again. Um you have questions for us? Do we love the show? Yes. Do we want to party? Yes.
SPEAKER_00Do we want to party with you all the time? Yes. Look, with that being said, with all your yeses, I'm gonna end y'all with a yeet.
Belts, Vibes, And KCW’s Look
SPEAKER_00I just love having fun. You guys are great.
SPEAKER_06We love seeing you, man. We'll um we'll catch you next time around when you come back, join us. Amen.
SPEAKER_00We'll do we'll do what it's we are gonna make this a thing because uh Peter. McFly is here to stay. There we go. Love you guys.
SPEAKER_06Love you, man. Thank you. Man, that's that was awesome, right? Great. All right, there we go. Yeah, I knew we were gonna get that. That's funny. It reminds me, we were recording it at the Innovate Pro access. And it just kept jumping in. And then it was like people were just walking in front of the camera the entire time we were recording and nobody even said anything. Yeah, and now um, we actually have a special guest.
SPEAKER_04Wait, wait. I'm I'm gonna tell him that he's talking shit. Noah's talking shit about you, Sean. Noah, he knows. Damn right I am. He knows he's talking shit.
SPEAKER_06You're damn right I am. You gotta scoot your mics apart just a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_06Noah, I need you to promise me you're not gonna, you're not gonna, you're not gonna try to fight him because we need to move seats.
SPEAKER_03I can't make no promises. You wanna move? Do you want to switch West? I mean, for his safety, I'm fine with it.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, I you do you do whatever you want to, but when Sean comes over here, and if there's gonna be trouble, I you know as a matter of fact, you know, he can sit right beside me.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, he's gonna sit right beside me.
SPEAKER_06The champ is here.
SPEAKER_05Unfortunately, the reigning, defending undisputed KCW heavyweight champion, Sean Cruz. That title's so pretty.
SPEAKER_00You guys do what you do. I don't mean to interrupt. This man here, what he did tonight was completely despicable. I already said it here live. Oh, yeah. You better watch out because when I'm done with who Jonathan's got lined up with me, I'm coming for them. Your boy Dark with his back injury? Yeah, he's gonna get that together. So take care of him.
SPEAKER_01I'm coming right after you. I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna save your life, son. There's levels to this game, and you ain't on my Oh, buddy.
SPEAKER_00Jokes on you. Cause 2026 is the year of the party, man. Let's go. The year of the party ends.
SPEAKER_03Let's party, Sean.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'll party, brother.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're about to.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit.
SPEAKER_06You partied in the ring tonight, didn't you, Sean?
SPEAKER_01Oh, brother.
SPEAKER_06That was awesome. You hold you gotta hold that. I'm sorry. We don't have a stand.
SPEAKER_01You don't have someone to hold the mic for me, seriously.
SPEAKER_06You mean hold it?
SPEAKER_01You better, absolutely. Hold the mic. See, that's how you can.
SPEAKER_06The champ is here. I I know I respect the champion. It's not, it's it's not me. I'm uh, you know, I'm pro Sean Cruz. What is there to respect? The gold. He's the world champion.
SPEAKER_01Look how pretty that title is. The genius that is Sean Cruz. These idiots thought I was actually gonna apologize. You even walked up to me and said, I owe you an apology because you said, I said, I told you I'm gonna say, I apologize and I'm sorry. And I said those things, but I apologize to myself for not showing the real me sooner.
SPEAKER_06He did say it, didn't he?
SPEAKER_01Thank you. He did say it. Call it a technicality,
Party’s Unfinished Business
SPEAKER_01call it what you want to. I never said who I was gonna say. I'm sorry that I didn't. If you're stupid, too stupid, like the rest of these idiots in Virgie, to actually get suckered in. Hey, there's a sucker born every minute, brother. That's all I can say.
SPEAKER_03There is nothing to get suckered in. Oh, yeah. I'm telling you. Okay, those blue eyes, there's they're still brown right here beside me. I'm looking right in them, dude. You're so full of it.
SPEAKER_01You know what? Yeah, because I am the shit. Absolutely. And that right there proves it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Champ is here. Champ is here. Champ is here. Sean, um, tonight, you once again faced hit faced the hit face there's Berto. Birto, you better go, Birto. He's this you he's the man's working.
SPEAKER_01He better go check on his best friend, Mercy.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_01Because I dropped her right on her face. You know what? Burdo, come back. I dropped Mercy on her face because I was hoping to do her a favor and actually make her look attractive.
SPEAKER_05Oh, golly. I didn't, I'm not tall.
SPEAKER_01And guess what? I saw pictures of her backstage. It didn't work.
SPEAKER_06I just I just we I don't have anything. We're uh we're done. I don't have anything else. No, I'm just I'm just kidding. Um so uh I do want to point out, and and I'm not, I'm not, I'm do you remember, I'm I'm a fan of yours. Look, I mean, you know, we're we we're we're close, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right. You what are you getting at?
SPEAKER_06You didn't win tonight. I mean, then you have the buttons.
SPEAKER_01So I'm gonna explain something to you guys. Sometimes when you lose, you do win.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah. Technically, I mean he Bertel was on the ground, he's still standing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, who's sitting here doing this podcast, which by the way, you're welcome. Thank you. Um, and who's getting carted to the hospital with a concussion and their little friend's got a broke nose. And then let's talk about Bobby Watson sticking his fat nose in my business. He got that right hand, that one hitter quitter. You know what I'm saying? His fat. And John Hampton, let me tell you something. If you put your hands on me one more time, I'm gonna sue you so hard when I'm done. This is gonna be called Sean Tucky Championship Wrestling or Cruz Tucky, whichever one you want. I like cruise tucky. We'll go with cruise tucky, but I will own your ass and not the way you'd probably like. Oh, well.
SPEAKER_06I don't I don't have anything. I mean, I see he can't.
SPEAKER_01And most importantly, I will ruin your plans.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, I really thought Sean was gonna get through out of the building tonight.
SPEAKER_01Um who's gonna throw me out of the building? Bobo. Bullshit. Bobo? Brother, let me tell you something. I could push Bobo over and he'd be like a turtle trying to get up off his back. Brother, like, it ain't gonna happen. I don't. There ain't a man alive, and there damn sure ain't a man in Virgie, Kentucky that's gonna put hands on me and take me anywhere. I mean, I agree. I don't wanna, I don't know. I don't, I don't know what more I have to do to prove that I am the best. Yeah, I'll say that to anybody out there watching this. You think you know this business? Like I just told Party, there are levels to this. Get on mine. Nobody gets reactions like I do when I come out that curtain. Every single
Finishers And In-Ring Style
SPEAKER_01time, every single stake, not in my own little backyard, wrestling my buddies. Bang, bang.
SPEAKER_06You know, uh party coming over here and talking crap when when when you were before you got over here, party said he's coming for that belt.
SPEAKER_01Well, party's delusional, right? I mean, uh look, I get I get it, right? Too much partying. When you go to prison and you come after the biggest guy in the dark, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but you know what also happens in prison? You you get turned into a bitch. So I'm gonna tell you right now, I don't know about us on this thing, but guess what? I'm sure I do whatever we're doing. We're good.
SPEAKER_06We we censor it.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_06That wasn't a censor button, but okay.
SPEAKER_01But seriously, like this guy, man, it's it's it's it happens all the time. I've been doing this 25 years. Everybody wants to retire.
SPEAKER_06Hey, you look good for been doing this 25 years.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, buddy. I would say the same about you, but I don't want to lie.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I've not been doing it 25 years.
SPEAKER_01What have you been doing the last 25 years? Sitting on my ass, yeah. Okay, I believe that. Yeah, I believe that. I I tell the truth, like you. And he's been sitting on somebody else's ass, but that's beside the point.
SPEAKER_03Um you don't if you only seen the ass that I got at home. What's his name? Oh, I don't even I can't.
SPEAKER_01You know, I can't. Listen, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell you right now, brother. If you come at the king, you better kill the king and make no mistake, I'm the king. There ain't nobody in this business that's sharper than me, quicker than me, that's got more wit. I'm quick with a joke in the light of your smoke, and I'll rip your face off with an eye poke. You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting right beside you, do it. Brother, don't hurry. Listen, listen. A wise man told me a long time ago, if you're good at something, never do it for free. That's fair. You put the money up, you get your Kentucky chair or your Kentucky license.
SPEAKER_03There's a dime, there's a dime that you use right there. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01Listen, listen, listen. Berto wears uh overalls. I don't know. He had his piggy bank money in his pocket. I don't know. This wasn't my fault. I seen it as what it was. I hit him, like I said, with this one hitter quitter, this hand of stone. That's right. Call me the new Ronnie Garvin. How about that? Hand of stone right here. Bam!
SPEAKER_04Deep cuts.
SPEAKER_01Done, brother. Done. That's right. I'm old. I don't care.
SPEAKER_06I never said you was old. We didn't say you was old. 25 years. I imagine you're only like 32.
SPEAKER_01Brother, I'll be 45 this year.
SPEAKER_06God, too good for 40. That's awesome. Most people in the retirement match and you and your prime.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, man. I ain't AJ. I ain't John Cena. I ain't retired no time soon.
SPEAKER_06Let's go and come soon.
SPEAKER_01I tell you what, though. Anybody out there, anybody out there that wants to try to retire me, please do. Please do. Because if you can, you know, it's like uh it's like Tyler Dega Nights, man. You know, uh John, whatever his name was, trying to find somebody to retire him. So he went after Ricky Bobby. Where's my Ricky Bobby?
SPEAKER_06You heard it here. Sean tells us to use Ricky Bobby. Uh maybe it's party. Oh, hell no. Maybe it's Noah. Maybe it's Hippo. Maybe it's
Eyeing Sean Cruz’s Championship
SPEAKER_06Noah.
SPEAKER_01You know what? Noah, I will say this. You actually look like you might have been in a couple fights. Probably fighting with your trouser snake mostly. But you've probably been in a couple fights, and you look like you probably could maybe handle yourself. Party, there ain't no way in hell. You'd have a better chance than partywood. You wouldn't have a chance, but you'd have a better chance than Partywood. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03I hear you, but I'll take that.
SPEAKER_01And okay, yeah. Okay. Oh, you'll take it all right. Oh, yeah, I'm sure I will. And you'll for sure. I'm sure I will. Yes, sir. So check this out, boys. I'm gonna say this live while we're here. And I've said it on other podcasts. No one's took me up on it yet. I don't I don't know how much time I got left, you know, but I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I can while I can. I've never done a deathmatch. Oh, we're all about it. I won't one one deat match. You think you talk this company into that? I don't know, man. Kentucky's like, brother, you need HIV and ADD and all these things.
SPEAKER_06I do them. We're gonna go to one in, we're going into one in Georgia. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, Chattanooga in March 6th or 7th, and uh the Smoky Mountain Massacre in Dandridge, uh the 21st of this month.
SPEAKER_01So you know who's not on that card? Sean Cruz. Sean Cruz, so nobody cares.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_01Just saying. I'm not gonna give one now. Why aren't you on it?
SPEAKER_04Why aren't you on it?
SPEAKER_01Money, brother.
SPEAKER_06I'm gonna go down there and I'm gonna make a ball.
SPEAKER_01I mean as much as I don't like John Hampton, he's got deep pockets. And I'm gonna tell you this right now. John Hampton, we stood so close when he was screaming at me earlier. I literally like, I would say halitosis, but I don't want to give halitosis a bad name. Like this this brother, like, could peel the paint off with his breath, right? But as he's sitting there screaming with his little voice cracking, threatening to suspend me, fire me, whatever, I looked him dead in his beady little eyes and said, You can't because I make you money. Everybody comes to see me. The marquee still says wrestling, and the top name on the marquee is Sean Cruz. What?
SPEAKER_05I'm quote that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I mean, what do you sell? Tickets. Absolutely. And merchandise, tons of it. You do sell a lot of merchandise. I sure do. I'll be wearing, I'll be wearing one.
SPEAKER_01You do like this beautiful shirt right here.
SPEAKER_06Gorgeous.
SPEAKER_01This guy's even wearing the Sean Cruz suck shirts because I'm so secure with my lack of an ego. I am so humble that I can let you wear that shirt. That's fine. You think I suck? That's cool. It's okay to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong. He's still got your name on it. Absolutely. And I still get the money for it. Yeah. I'll never forget, a few years in the business. Um, I had some dude buy one of my shirts and ripped it up in front of me. And he was like, What do you think about that? I said, I think I just got your $20. So, brother, you can wipe your ass with it. I don't care. Can I get another $20? Yeah, like, hey, you know what you should do? You know what you should do? You should buy another one because that way you can rip that up too, or you can wear it. I don't know. Like, I don't care. So, so let me ask you a question. You got you have the you have the gold, the big gold. Brother, I have the only gold that matters. I'm gonna tell you right now, you can call this a shoot if you want to. This right here is the prettiest championship on the independence. Yo, we did. I don't know. Oh, we go to a lot of shoes. I have to agree as much as I don't want to. A thousand percent.
SPEAKER_06Now, the prettiest tag team titles might be sitting right here.
SPEAKER_01You know what, man? Uh me and Doug. Brother, we'll come get him.
SPEAKER_06That's what I was gonna say. Champ champ when Doug gets healed up from his back injury. I didn't quote that. That was me quoting somebody else, quoting him.
SPEAKER_01Listen, Doug has put in his time. He has hurt his back carrying professional wrestling for as long as he has. So absolutely, he deserves a break.
TV Champion Schedule And Plugs
SPEAKER_06That's I mean, I don't I don't disagree. I'm you know, I'm on your side. I'm with you. Good.
SPEAKER_01Shut up, Dusty.
SPEAKER_06So uh let me ask you this. Where's your next where's your next book and where's your next show?
SPEAKER_01Uh actually, I will be in God, he's gonna kill me because I don't know the actual city. But it's in Georgia. Okay, okay. That's fine. And I'm wrestling for um, I can't pronounce it, Neza Promotion. Oh, I did see that. Yeah, yeah, I did see that. Um good dude. I worked for him one time in Georgia before. Uh worked with a guy named Luke Sampson, big boy. Um, I actually knew him from the Carolinas. Then he went to the Nightmare Factory, got trained by Cody and Oh killer. Uh huh. So he's a good dude, man. We had we had we had a good thing. You gonna carry this title with you? Uh I will, but like, so like if you if you're cool with me bringing it out, that's cool. I'll do it. But like I'm not bringing my title out at another thing. Yeah, I understand. Because, like, yeah, okay, I'm a champion, but like, what does that mean? It's like almost like, all right, if I'm shooting a promo, I'm not gonna sit here and say, like, if I'm wrestling this guy over here, you know, giving him the the the best day of his life, you know, the thrill of his life, getting a stand in the ring with a true champion and a legend like myself, and we've wrestled three or four times in other promotions. I'm not the guy that's gonna say, Noah, and I know you well. We've wrestled in this one, this one, and this one. Because I'm telling you, if you go and do a commercial for, I don't know, McDonald's, are they gonna want you to talk about Wendy's? Are they gonna want to talk about it? No, you're right. Brother, let me tell you something. The only thing that matters is that place, that night, where you're gonna be there, who you're wrestling. That's who you put over. So to me, taking a title out, first of all, it shows you it shows you that you're a belt mark. Yeah, and that is the only time I'll use that word because this right here is a title, is a championship, and should be treated as such. This is not a fucking belt. A belt holds up holds your pants. A belt holds up your pants. Thank you. I'm with you. I hate that shit. So, anyways, but uh I digress. Um I if if they want me to. Um, a lot of times I'll carry to other promotions and I'll put it on my table, and I've been called a belt mark for that, right? Did you know what a conversation starter this is? Yeah, because people walk over there and they want to buy it, first of all. Like, well, you can fight me for it, and then I'm like, but that's not for sale, but this stuff is, and I make sales.
SPEAKER_06They want to buy it because it's the prettiest.
SPEAKER_01Listen, listen. Normally I don't give advice because I don't give a shit. I want everybody out there to flounder and fall on their asses and do things wrong so I can just rise to the top. Sure. Now, I've made more mistakes than anybody in this business, and I'll be the first one to tell you that. But I'm gonna tell you right now, if you have a title and you're carrying this thing around with you, and you just it I can't even put my sentence together right now because I am just so frustrated with people. I understand. These, these, these guys just don't get it, man. Like, it's not about titles, it's not about how many promotions you work for, it's not about any of that. Like, if if I put together a highlight reel, okay, and I send it to a promoter because I'm trying to get booked, and I am the the heel, I'm not sending you wrestling moves. I'm sending you me getting booed out of the fucking building.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because if I'm paying a promoter as a promoter, I'm paying for a hill to come in, that's all I care about. I don't want to see you do moves. I want to see you make little kids cry, which I did, by the way, a lot tonight. You did then that is two shows in a row. Absolutely, brother. Hey, I'm I'm the two people here tonight. We got we gotta come up
Sean Cruz Enters And Stirs Heat
SPEAKER_01with a cool nickname for that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for okay, we'll get we'll get you one. Workershoot podcast will be on that. We'll get you we'll get you a kid crying nickname.
SPEAKER_01Kid crying nickname. I love it. I like I I want to do that shirt. I make kids cry. You do, you and Gen Z.
SPEAKER_06Gen Z done it tonight, too. Gen Z's my boy. Gen Z's Gen Z. That doesn't surprise me, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I'm gonna tell you this right now, and it may be a little out of character, but I give credit where it's due. Keep your eyes on lifeguard Ross. Oh, yeah. Yes, yeah, yes, absolutely. That that kid, man, when he gets it, yeah, it all clicks. He makes everybody look good too. Brother, watch out. Yeah, you know, and that's and people want to work with you for that reason.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Great dude, awesome.
SPEAKER_06Also, great dude. We're gonna have him on the podcast soon. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but but I'll be honest with you, like, I don't he's a great dude, and that's great, but I don't care if you're a piece of shit. If you're an asshole in the back and you didn't want to talk to me, that's fine. As long as we can get out here and make money together, but so many people have forgotten this is a business, it is the professional wrestling business. If you are not in it to try to make money, get out. Everybody's trying to get over, baby. You're you're taking up a spot, man. Everybody's trying to get over it. Like, I get it. I get it's childhood dream for people. Um, guess what? Dreams don't always come true, man. It's preaching. Life ain't fair. I've learned that the hard way.
SPEAKER_06Fair is a place where pigs are judged.
SPEAKER_01There you go. I love that. I'm still in that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's actually good.
SPEAKER_01So um, but yeah, I don't know. I get sidetracked. But, anyways, getting back. So, I'm doing the promotion is uh the Neza. That's gonna be really cool. Um, I've actually wrestled in two shows for them, one in March as well in Florida. Sweet. Um, and let's see, after you travel so much, yeah, I do, man. I love it. Like, I was born to travel, like I've just always been on the road. My job, I travel a lot. Hell, I'll be honest, like I door I door dash, like whatever. Yeah, I'm making I'm making that money, bro. You make the money, that's big money in that. I'm a hustler, baby. Big money in that. I door dash today while we were here in Kentucky. I ain't ashamed, no shame in my kids. You're just hanging out anyway, you might as well. I mean, yeah, like you know, I had to go to some birthday party and you know, be around some snot-nosed kids because I got pigwheel to be there, but that's what you do here. That's what I did, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you're gonna be around snot-nosed kids here.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, yeah, man. I hate kids so much.
SPEAKER_06Well, Sean, regardless of what Noah says about you, your worker shoots, your worker shoots favorite wrestler. Absolutely, 100%.
SPEAKER_01You know, I'm sure you guys say that to everybody, but that's okay. No, it's okay. We didn't we've never talked to anybody before.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You literally just talked to the party. Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? I don't I saw you talking to party, brother. I'm not like, can't work a worker, daddy. Look, look, no, Noah can hate me all he wants to. I get it. I'd hate me too if I couldn't be me. I get it. I understand it. That's fair. But Noah is entitled to his opinion, brother. We live in the United States of America and we're still free. America. America, right? Fuck yeah. So seriously, we can be what we want, say what we want. We don't have to bend to nobody's pressure. If he wants to be wrong and be on the wrong side of history, what do you always say about opinions, Wes?
SPEAKER_04What do you always say about opinions? It's all right for everybody to have opinion. I can't help it if yours is wrong.
SPEAKER_01There you go. I always say they're like assholes. Everybody's got one and they usually stink. So they all stink. They all stink.
SPEAKER_03All of it's facts.
SPEAKER_01All of all that is facts, but but honestly, dude, like I just I get so social media is like the best and worst thing that ever happened to the world. Yeah, you're right. When I came up in 2001, we didn't have that shit, dude. Yeah, we didn't have wrestling resumes. You had to get yourself over. We didn't have wrestling resumes. The first time somebody's like, hey, send me a wrestling resume. I'm like, brother, what?
SPEAKER_06Like, yeah, I you didn't see me at a show, you know?
SPEAKER_01Like, oh, you gotta have a lot of followers on social media before I'll book you. Oh, it doesn't matter that I get booed out of the building to make your people cry and they show up, want me to get my ass whipped, so you make more money, but I don't have enough followers to be on your show. Shooks, you know what I mean? Uh it's just it's crazy, bro. But you know what? You and I'll tell this to everybody out there right now. I've seen a lot of videos lately where people are complaining or even post that it's like, why does this guy get this? And these guys are 100 pounds and they're heavyweight champions, and blah, blah, blah. And I work out and I do this. Brother, life ain't fair. And I'm telling you right now, the more you complain about it, whether it's in a joking way and you're trying to work, it still looks like a you look like a shitty person. Yeah. Straight up. And you're not gonna get the kind of attention you want. Trust me, I've been there. Um, just stay humble, keep your head down. I've learned something.
The Non-Apology And Heel Philosophy
SPEAKER_01Everything happens for a reason in its own time, and that's it. I don't let nothing stress me out anymore because whatever was supposed to happen, supposed to happen. And sometimes things just ain't for us. You know what I mean? And I'll leave you with this too. Something that's really helped me out. Man, I must really like you guys because I'm literally giving you this wisdom. I'm like your Mr. Miyagi over here, right? Yeah, that's a deep cut as well. Wax on, wax off. Yeah, well, I'm sure you wax off a lot, don't you? Oh, let me know. Hey, oh, so seriously, the the the main thing I've learned that's really helped me get my peace and really locked me in my zone. And I'm telling you right now, what you saw tonight is just the beginning. I believe that. It's just I my my goal is to burn this place to the ground and piss on the ashes when I walk out.
SPEAKER_06Will you let us know? I'd like to get outside or not not literally.
SPEAKER_01Oh but I'm gonna tear this place down one person at a time. If people want to jump the line like party, hey, that's his funeral. But seriously, you you cannot expect yourself and other people.
SPEAKER_06You're on the tear, too. You're on the tear. You were on your you were on you were on you were launching, you're ripping through everybody.
SPEAKER_01I'm just doing what I do, man. Yeah, I'm confident in my abilities. I know, like I said, there ain't a man alive that can whip my ass. Well, I'll take that back. There might be, but that don't mean I gotta be scared of them. My daddy told me that a long time ago, and he said that ass whooping goes both ways. They're gonna know that I'm there.
SPEAKER_06Well, I'm assuming you're gonna be here in April for uprising. I believe it's called?
SPEAKER_01I believe so. Yeah, and I think we might as well just call it cruise topia. I don't know. Well, that's what I make that better.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, cruise cruise mania. We'll be at Cruise Mania in April. Okay. When it's here and cruising USA. Cruising USA, that's actually hot. Like this should be, yeah. Yeah. Cruising USA needs to be a shirt. That needs to be a shirt. Yeah. We'll make into it.
SPEAKER_01So um yeah, I think I hope Doug's okay by then. Maybe we can maybe do a tag or something. Yeah, that's hope. We're hoping these pretty titles. If if Berto like wakes up and he wants to find a partner, I mean maybe we'll do that. I don't know, whatever. John Hampton's got up his little little noodle arm sleeves.
SPEAKER_06You know, plans. Maybe Birto and maybe Berdo and party, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Hey, Birto can tag with uh mercy. I don't care.
SPEAKER_06You don't care, do you?
SPEAKER_01Hell no.
SPEAKER_06You and Doug Grubb take down everybody.
SPEAKER_01You know what though? People can say what they want to. That was her damn fault. She announced that the decision got changed, she made it real. She wouldn't have said Sean Cruz is the loser and keeps his tile and Berto wins, these people wouldn't have known no different. I'd have walked out of here the winner and the champ, but she had to open a big mouth, and that's what happened.
SPEAKER_06So that's the first time you ever DDT'd a woman.
SPEAKER_01Define DDT. I can't. I can't. I can't do it. Why don't you ask uh somebody over there? No, I'm not.
SPEAKER_06We're not. This is a children's show. Is it? Because I cuss like a sailor. No, it's not it's not a children's show. There's a child, but it's not a children's show. Wow. Noah's also a child.
SPEAKER_01Well, we're all a child on the inside, brother. Noah's just a child in his pants. Oh, well, I can't even do anything else. You know, uh, hey, look, like I get look, I'm not mad. I get it. Like, I'm hung like a baby too, right? All right. Uh eight pounds or six pounds and eight inches. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm hung like a baby too. All right.
SPEAKER_06Deshaun Cruz, thank you so much for coming. On the worker shoot podcast. Catch Sean, uh, catch the world champion, the heavyweight champion, Kentucky Championship Rest.
SPEAKER_01It's gonna be world soon. I got plans to go to uh Mexico and Japan. Oh, that's awesome! Let's go. If we can defend this title, guess what? It becomes the world.
SPEAKER_06The world champion, Sean Cruz. We'll see. KCW, heavyweight champion, Sean Cruz. Uh, Sean, we'll see you. Um, we'll see you soon in April for sure.
SPEAKER_01Guys, I'm always a pleasure, and the pleasure was yours.
SPEAKER_06That's absolutely thank you so much.
SPEAKER_01Champ, champ, champ.
SPEAKER_03Champ Noah. Get the hell out of here, Sean.
SPEAKER_06Oh boys, this was um this was one of the better shows that we've been to. Yeah. 100%. Right. The crowd was insane. Uh the crowd was popping all night. The little kids beside us were terrorizing everything and crying. Gen Z, Sean made everybody cry. Uh uh, a girl, uh, uh ring announcer got DDT'd. Um I really thought we were gonna see. I mean, we'll and we seen some, we seen the world champion or the heavyweight champion take out the commissioner. And yes. We seen Berto do a suicide dive. Birdo did suicide
Titles, Merch, And Drawing Money
SPEAKER_06dive. It was almost suicide.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06Also. Um and we got to experience Kentucky Championship Wrestling's new uh new lights, their new, their whole new setup.
SPEAKER_04Beautiful setup.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and we're perfect. We're currently, you can't see behind cameras the the hardworking crew taking down the ring and taking down everything and breaking everything down tonight. Um seems like we're gonna be kind of in the way soon. Um, it seems like we're gonna be kind of in the way soon. So let's let's cover a couple more things and then we'll and then we'll kill it and we'll get out of here, okay? Because we got a couple really good interviews that were awesome. Oh I'd like to I wish we could have got some more people, but hopefully in April we'll do this again and we'll and we'll catch everybody. Yeah, we'll catch everybody then. Um food review tonight. We're gonna start doing the food reviews at all Andy shows. Uh Kentucky Championship Wrestling holds as one of the better food venues for professional wrestling, Clay? Yes. What did you have tonight, Clay?
SPEAKER_02Tonight all I had was the Hillbilly's pizza. So good, ain't it? And it's so delicious.
SPEAKER_06You had a really hot pizza when we first came in, like a freshest piece.
SPEAKER_02I had the freshest piece. I almost got a hot dog, but they was out of it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I did have a hot dog with just onion and coleslaw because they were out of chili and it was fantastic.
SPEAKER_03I was able to get two chili dogs.
SPEAKER_04Oh they were so good when they were so good. Uh well, like he was able to get two chili dogs, and his shirt got half of them. Yeah, yeah. He'd be dropping them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's on Sean's name anyway.
SPEAKER_04So I was able to get the last piece of Hillbilly's pizza. It was great. And it was just as good as the first piece.
SPEAKER_06Prices are pretty good, too, compared to prices. Um, I'd give uh like I'd give this uh uh turnbuckle ratings. Uh out of out of five stars, I would say the food here gets gets a three and a half at least. Yeah, right? Or a four within a four? I would say the food gets a four. Yeah. I'm just I'm just you know, I'm trying to be liberal about it. Um or conservative. Liberal? No, trying to be conservative about it. But middle of the road. Yeah. Um The Wrestling Always Here gets five stars for me. Absolutely. And and literally seen a five-star match tonight, a couple of them. The entire environment is five stars. But the the five-star match, the NWA, the what's that title?
SPEAKER_03The the World Junior Heavyweight. World Junior World Heavyweight. Whatever, yeah. Same difference.
SPEAKER_06Dude, that match, God, that match was so awesome. So good.
SPEAKER_03Spencer Slade is a freak.
SPEAKER_06He literally is insane. Arguably the best match of the night.
SPEAKER_03Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it was what we told him.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I I think there was a few matches that were that were really, really good. Uh and uh again, the venue here, man, the venue is five stars for me all day long because the gym is the old school feel. Um, the commissioner knows what's up, does awesome. Like he's got all the right people doing doing the things, and he's got all the right workers. I just think I just think this show is one of the only shows I go to where I'm like, wow, they booked, they booked everybody that needed to be booked. Yeah. Like, only person I missed tonight that we usually have is the goose, Kenny Urban. But I think he's out of, I think he's out of the out of town. Like, I remember seeing that he's not, like he was with his woman or something.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_06But Wes' first Kentucky Chapitre Raptor was my first.
SPEAKER_04Uh not gonna be my last, of course. Yeah, uh, just powers that be. I couldn't make it to the first couple, yeah. Um, you know, but you know, I actually literally left work and straight, got off work, and drove straight here. Rushed straight over here. Rushed straight over. Um, so yeah. So happy to actually get to make it to this show. Very impressed. Not gonna be my last.
SPEAKER_06No, we're we're we're can't KCW, Kentucky Championship Wrestling is here to stay. And the Worker Shoot podcast is here to cover cover everything they're doing. Um, we're gonna do our best to go to every show theirs that we can. Um, I think they said their next show is is their next show in Vergie is gonna be in April. They might be doing some other stuff if they do. The worker shoot podcast will be there to cover it. Um you know, as always, worker shoots. We're gonna we're gonna cover the indie shows. We're gonna let you know what's going on in the indie world. We got some big stuff coming up, some big interviews coming up, some big opportunities coming up. So, really, if you want to get over with us, stick with us, follow us, like, subscribe, comment. If you if you stick with the worker shoot crew, we'll get you over. That's right. We're gonna we're doing our best to get everybody over. We're here to support indie wrestling. We just want to make sure this shows that we're just here to support indie wrestling. Like that's that's all we want to do is is make sure everybody makes it and and uh you know get everybody work if we can. Oh god, yeah. That's that's what we're here for. That's that's all it's about. Booking everybody. I love wrestling. I just want to I just want to say that if I've not said it, that I love professional wrestling. And there's nothing better and nowhere else I'd rather be than here in Virgie, Kentucky watching this show.
SPEAKER_02I agree.
SPEAKER_03Preach Brother D.
SPEAKER_06There's anywhere we can be watching wrestling, we're gonna be there watching wrestling. So stick with us to watch
Booking, Travel, And Industry Real Talk
SPEAKER_06wrestling with us. This is just the beginning. Yeah. Boys, um, we're gonna we're gonna get out of here so these boys can finish can finish their uh their work and we can we can wrap things up. Um we'll see you guys. Uh we'll see you guys back. Hopefully we'll be back in studio. We'll we'll be back in studio with barring any snow, Mageddon. Lord willing in the snow don't rise.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, nah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, boys. Y'all got anything else?
SPEAKER_04Uh super kick that follow button. I'm gonna super kick that follow button, but also they better put these titles up before me and Noah take off with them.
SPEAKER_06I think you and Noah are gonna win them titles. I know that's right. You got anything else? Don't be a mark.
SPEAKER_03As always. Yeah. Roll a bell.