ALL THE INDY DRAMA (our NICE version) And Why Did Backlash Feel Like SmackDown?

Backlash has the WWE logo on it, but we can’t lie, it plays like a dressed up SmackDown and that changes how every match lands. We talk through the night with zero filter: what worked, what felt rushed, and why some booking decisions feel way too early for the kind of long story WWE usually wants to tell. If you’re searching for a WWE Backlash review that’s more than a results recap, we get into the actual texture of the show, from the crowd energy to the moments that did not hit the way they were meant to.

The bright spots still shine. We dig into Sami vs Trick, the never ending debate of “respect the kendo stick,” and why heel character work falls apart when the presentation sends mixed signals. Then we give Asuka vs IYO SKY their flowers, because that match is the kind of pro wrestling chemistry you can’t fake. And yes, we spend real time on Danhausen, because when a character can make you laugh and still go, that’s the magic that keeps wrestling fun.

Then the conversation turns serious, because the independent wrestling community is dealing with drama that’s bigger than a storyline. We talk about accountability, why wrestling should be a safe place, and why silence from the people in charge can do real damage. We also hit the worker shoot chaos around questionable “training certificates,” shout out the promotions we love, and push hard for showing up to indie shows and helping good companies find venues so they can run.

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Cold Open And Birthday Chaos

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, the teams that brought you the show and color podcast in T4 Productions proudly brings to you the greatest wrestling podcast in the world. The king of the no-no Noah. But wa wa weska clay bowl. The work of shoot podcast. And if you don't like that, we got two words for ya. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

What happened?

SPEAKER_00 0:53

King Jasper. Yeah, King Jasper's here. Good job. Oh, I should have introduced King Jasper. My bad.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

He's going to get mad and leave now.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Boys, it's Sunday, May 10th. Nah. Oh, no. Yeah, you're up. You're right. You're up. Sunday. Okay, look, let's just admit it. It's May 9th. We're recording on May 9th. It's Wes's birthday. Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Woo! I'm old. And happy birthday to anybody else who's having a birthday. Yeah, you're friggin' old. I know how old you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

You're old as hell. I do know I share a birthday with Brian Deegan.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

It's weird. It's a weird thing to know. I don't think it's that weirdest you share it. I think it's a weird thing to know you share with Brian Deegan.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Mine I share with their share with Zach Efron.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Yay. Yeah. Yeah. Love Zach Efron. We've got so much to talk about. Waino's here in Spirit. As always. We got his picture signed by some wrestlers, so we're going to keep getting that happened. Eventually his whole face is going to be covered. It's going to be awesome. It's fantastic. Somebody signed his forehead and gold pen. I think it was maybe Habibi.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

It was Habibi.

WWE Backlash Feels Like SmackDown

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Yeah, it was Habibi signed his forehead and gold pen. Shouted our boy Habibi. Currently taking bookings. Habibi is outside of Tennessee now or outside of Innovate. Now that he's working his way around. He rocks, by the way. You should book this dude. He's hot. He's got all the heat. He's awesome. You know who has all the heat? Nick Blackwell. He still has all the heat. Okay, so backlash. We're going to talk about backlash first because our indie talk is going to be intense tonight. We got a lot of stuff to talk about indie, but so we'll talk about backlash first. Backlash.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Backlash. Backlash. Backlash. Backlash. At backlash.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Shout out the worker shoot podcast.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

No gonna say anything. Lash back.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Lash back. That's the best. So first match, opener, Seth opened. Seth opened backlash, opened um uh PLE.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Mortal Kombat style.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

I want to say let's put an asterisk next to PLE because this was a SmackDown. This was very much a SmackDown. The arena looked like SmackDown. There was nothing else really going on other than other than it being SmackDown. Yeah. Yeah, it was super, super, super mid event because it just felt like SmackDown. First match was Seth and Braun. Kind of went the way we were expecting it to go. Not really, no. Really? No. Braun. Yeah. Braun looked like he hadn't wrestled in 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Well, technically, I mean he hadn't.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

That's that's how I expect it to go. Braun Braun looked like he hadn't wrestled in a while. It was rough.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Well, I mean, bro, I'm not gonna like okay, I'm taking up for him. Like he had that hernia surgery. Good job, man. Don't worry about it. That's a rough surgery, especially for a man. That you know, they take you inside out. I don't know if pull them out of your bag, sew you up, put your put your marbles back in.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I was gonna say it, really intense. So I don't know. I don't know if just saying if that has anything to do with it, if it's just ring rust, but he he definitely missed a couple a couple spots. He obviously missed a couple spots. I didn't like the finish of the match. No with with Seth Seth losing, I don't I don't think the payoff was too early for that. I feel like we could have we could have stretched that out a little further and made Braun feel more believable.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

It didn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

Yeah. It doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

It does make sense to you? It doesn't make sense to me. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

No, I I agree. It it doesn't make sense to to have like technically backlash is the the first PLE. It's it's the first show of the season.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

And like season starts now. Um for you to have I mean it like this story is a story that needs to be built for the whole year.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah. And they I guess it has been kind of, but just without wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Yeah, but like you don't put it on your first show of the year.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Like what'd you think about it, Claybo? Um, I think the match was really mid. I think it's one of Breakers Least Go matches. Worst, maybe? Worst. Sorry. Couldn't think of the word. Least good is acceptable. Yeah. Honestly, on I'm gonna be honest, honestly. Um I didn't I didn't love the match. Yeah, same. But Paul was Paul was cool. Paul sold a whole story, told a whole story with his face.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah. Even when they cut it away from him because he said Dayford.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

No, no, you're gonna have to go back and watch the match. You didn't get to watch it. Yeah, he didn't know he didn't get to watch it tonight. He had uh he had he had uh parent duties, parent duties tonight, so he didn't get he didn't get to watch it uh early. He'll go watch it later.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

So that match really the winner the winner was Braun, and I really thought it was too early to put him over. But so no, what was the the next match was the uh Sammy Sammy Trick? Sammy Sammy and Trick match and this match This match went the way it should go, I guess. I like Lil Yachty. I thought he was fine. Um I think he could have sold a little bit better, but he was he was yeah, little Yachty was fine. I don't mind him as much come out with the Kendo stick, Kindle stick must be made of paper because there were about four Kindle stick spots in this match and nobody sold them. So the Kindle stick must be made out of paper.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Everybody kicked out of it.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Everybody kicked out of Kendo stick spots. Respect the Kendo stick, Sandman. Shout out Sandman. Shout out Sandman. Shout out Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Well, it's not a it's not a Kindle stick.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Oh right, that's the problem. It's not a Kendo stick, it's uh it's a bamboo. Bamboo.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

It's a certain kind of bamboo. Yeah. Uh Scandinavian? I could be tripping, but it's some case, something crazy.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Ain't there snow in Scandinavia?

SPEAKER_03 6:46

I could be completely wrong. It's something.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Like, how is how does bamboo grow in Scandinavia? Then summertime. I don't I think there's snow in summertime there, too. I don't know. I don't live there.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Wow. I watched how sometimes the show gets really off the rails. But Scandinavia and where bamboo grows. Either way, either way, this match was this match was fine. This match was good. Trick, Trick's always awesome. Trick's always over. Mm-hmm. That was funny. I don't know why that got me. That got me. Let's just wait for Noah to say it too. This this match was good. I was happy with this match. I'm always happy with Trick. I think Trick's really good. I don't necessarily understand what they're doing with Sammy because I really thought it would have made sense for Sammy to win dirty here and win the title back. Yeah, he did try to, but the fans the fans finally picked their baby in the middle of the match. Yeah, he wasn't very heel in this match. When he came out, he was high-fiving everybody when he was supposed to be full heel.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

I did love him playing Possum, though.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

There was a lot of cool stuff that happened in the match. The match was good. I had no problem with the match at all. We had a This Is Awesome chant pretty early on that was inappropriate.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Yeah, we were confused about that.

Asuka Vs IYO Chemistry Hits Hard

SPEAKER_00 8:03

It was not time for it. It was not time for it. We were saving that for Jacob Roman. Oh, I think we were saving it for Asuka Eo. Whoo, because that match was a banger. That match was awesome. I told Klay before the show we were talking about, we were just talking about the matches, and I said I think Asuka EO will be match of the night because Um I was wrestling with Little Wes's. Wrestling the Little Wes's powerbombs and well and little and some little little Tonies are here too. Little Tony Little Tonya's here. And and Big Noah. And Big Noah. I ain't calling you Big Noah no matter what happens. Don't care how big you get. Don't call me when I tell you. C W. C Dub. Yes, Daddy. Dad. C Dub, yeah. I got it. So yeah, that match, though. I mean, does anybody have anything to say about that match? I don't really have much to say about that match. It was a good match. It was a gen in general match. It could have happened on SmackDown.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

It really was a Smackdown match. It could have happened on SmackDown. Wayne, do you have anything to say?

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Wrestling sucks. Wayne Nights Wrestling. Don't forget White Night's Wrestling. Yes. No, shout out Wayne for the Saturday night Saturday Night Lame event. If you haven't watched that, you need to check out those reels. Saturday Night Lame event is awesome. Wayne put a teaser up there tonight for Saturday Night Lame event.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Welcome back, Wayne.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Yeah, welcome back, Wyano. Wino's social media is strong right now. He's popping. He's been popping. Yeah, he's he's going off right now. Yeah, most of our content the last three weeks are just Wino. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't brag about him. Oh, yeah. He'll disappear. It's okay. You're doing it. I like to give him a little bit of I like to give him a little bit of love because since he won't be here in a week.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

It's all love, Weno. It's all love. We love everything you're doing right now, man.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Only thing I got to say about that match is uh white out. Asuka's butt cheek was out. Asuka's butt cheek was out. Asuka, put your butt up. Put your butt up. Okay. Asuka EO. I was talking about the trick watch trick match, and Asuka Eo was the was the banger banger of the night. That match was awesome. The obvious chemistry. EO and Asuka probably been wrestling each other for 20 years plus, I guess, everywhere. So they're their their chemistry was amazing. And they were so good together. They're always so good together. We want Kyrie Chance. Big time. Big time. We want Kyrie Chance. And no acknowledgement.

SPEAKER_02 10:24

No acknowledgement at all about the we want Kyrie. Asuka did have that um that bandana.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Oska had a scarf. Looked like Kyrie's one of Kyrie's scarves. Yep. Oska had tied to her waist.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

It's a bandana, I think.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

It's a scarf. It's a bandana.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

She's a pirate.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

You're a bandana. Thank you.

unknown 10:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

Don't a scarf go around her neck.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

A scarf goes wherever you want to put it.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

It's a bandana. Is it a scarf?

SPEAKER_01 10:49

If I put a bandana in my pocket, is it a bandana or a towel? No, if you put a bandana in your pocket, it's a handkerchief.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

If you put a bandana in your pocket, you're thurman. It's a handkerchief. Uh that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

If you put a bandana in your pocket, you got a bandana in your pocket. Put you in my pocket. I'd say you try.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

I don't know where this is going.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

I mean, if you buy him dinner, he'll do anything for you.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Again, this match could have been on SmackDown. I just I just want to say this match could have been on SmackDown as good as it was. My whole show could have been.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Haven't we had this on SmackDown before? It really felt like an episode of SmackDown.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

It did. When Noah walked in, he legitimately thought it was SmackDown. Like he thought we were watching SmackDown from last night.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Honestly, the only gear that was like good, like honestly, that made it look like a PLE was uh Brock's and or not Brock, sorry. Was Brock there? No. Braun Breakers gear coming out with his daddy's uh letters on. Yeah, the leathers. And then um Jacob Fatus, which we will get to.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

Yeah, it's okay.

Danhausen Steals The Night

SPEAKER_02 11:57

That's really about it though. Like, I mean, it was cool for Seth to walk out looking like noobs I bought from uh combat. But there was nothing crazy over the top, nothing crazy over the top. Oh boy, we even got to Danhausen yet, so Pyro's normal.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Danhausen had the spot of the night, though. Danhausen's stuff was the He made them freaking whole P. L E. Dan Housen was awesome. Well, I think we're there. Oh, we're there.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

I think we're there. Yeah. Danhausen in the little Danhausen car, the the box. Hey, what I wish Wayne was here because he would tell you if you want to get somebody over. If you want to get somebody over, put them in a box. Yeah, but then he was so mad. I don't understand how he was mad because he he he talks about if you get put in a box, you're over.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Yeah, until he saw you, he until he saw who came out of the box, and he's like, What are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 12:45

What's that guy's name? Uh Lucas knows. Or who said it? No, you said it. Oh, El Dorito. El Drito, yeah, that's that's who it was. Uh that boy can work. He is awesome. He is awesome. He he worked, he worked Ms. ass off.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

It was so good. Soon as he started uh started running the ropes, I was like, oh, he's from AAA.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Yeah, he's oh, he's actually great. I mean, people forget he's got one of the greatest TLC matches in history. Really? Well, it was a W L C, but it was him and Hornswoggle. Yeah. Oh, right. Stream Rules 2014. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

God, that was a rough time in wrestling, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 13:22

It was.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

It was a rough time in wrestling. There was nothing else going on. We're talking about the best event. The best match was the midget wrestling lighter match, the TLC with Hornswoggle.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

It was only like a 14-minute match.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Well, sure.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

It's still longer than Becky's.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Oh, true. So Dan Housen cloned himself and didn't finish the clone, so it was only halfway done. And then that match was the match was good anyway. I love when Dan Housen wrestles because people forget Dan Housen can wrestle. Yes. Yeah. People forget he's actually good. He's actually good. People totally forget that. Which is funny because I would never make him wrestle. I would just it would just be spots on it.

SPEAKER_03 14:07

I wish he had the teeth.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, the teeth would be great. I think that's coming. I think it probably is. Maybe we're getting the payoff, but I think it's too. I think it's I think it's too PG 13 for PG for PG WB. I thought he had the teeth. He had them when he when he came out the first time he handed them to Michael Cole. And so Michael Cole has them, maybe. He has the little jar of teeth that he gave him to Michael Cole.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

It wasn't an episode of SmackDown, guys. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Yeah, they can't expect so much on SmackDown. But Kit Wilson, Kit Wilson's awesome too. Kit Wilson's great. And the Miz is going to go down in history as like the guy who just puts everybody over all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Tag team partners and just taking the L all the frigging time. He puts everybody over. Well, because he did his time.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Yeah. And really that's I mean, he's got a bunch of accolades, but hell, that's about how he did his time.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

That is about how he did his time. Like he won all the titles, but he was putting people over. Of course, that's the way, you know, that's the way you really get it. Yeah. Um that's the way there's ways to get there. There's ways not to be there. Smackdown. Let's let's I hope they're not burying Matt Cardano. Because it feels like he just takes L after L after L after L.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

I think he just does whatever. Like he's just like, hey, I'm just here to have fun.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

That's it's probably true because he's he's won a lot of his titles and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

If y'all are already paying me for everything else, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

I'd say it's fine. Anyway, back to business. Dan Houseon has to be my favorite person in WWE right now.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

And his tights tonight were awesome. The red with the teeth. But like Clay said, the only comp the only complaint I have about Dan Houseon right now, and it's not even Dan Housing, it's probably WWE, is that he's not doing the he's doing the axe kick finish, but he's not putting the teeth in their mouth first. He usually pours teeth into their mouth and then axe kicks, some of the teeth go flying everywhere. Yeah. That's funny. Which is, yeah, Clay, because you've not seen that really, Clay. Yeah, that that's that's how he always does it. Unless I'm just crazy. That's all the clips I've ever seen. That's that's how he does it. Everything I've ever seen do. You're right, I reckon. Yeah. Because he didn't even come out with the teeth anymore and he's got teeth all over his gear. Don't really make it, he's like, don't make any sense unless he does the teeth thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

Yeah, it's the same as Noah. But dude, when he came back out with the I mean, his gimmick is chili dogs, and now he doesn't even come out with chili dogs all over him anymore. I'm a changed man.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

He's a changed man because he threw up once. That's why he's a changed man. That's why he's a changed man because he can't handle his food. I ain't spilling it, I'm puking it. What's next? Oh man. So Tanner had a good time. Tanner had a blast. Shout out our boy T. Yeah, Tanner had a blast in a bait. T Dog. That was fun. They didn't use his crutch, though. He thought they were used to crush. He tried to hand it to him. Yeah. Take this. It just looked like he was trying to hit somebody with it.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

It was so because the match, like, match was about to start, and he goes, I'ma let them use one of them.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

We got lots of friends there, though. Shout out to our boys. It was Jeff's birthday that day. Got you. Yeah. Happy late birthday to Baker. But we got the uh what's our what's our Waffle House people's names? Okay. Um, you know I'm bad with names. It's no offense. I'm bad with names.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

I don't remember the wife's name, but it's John, Jonathan. That's what I thought. Jonathan is John. Okay, yeah. Yeah, it was Jonathan. Apologies to the wife. I don't remember your name. We're bad with names, bro. I'm sorry. Someone's got to remember at least one name, and it's me. That's why we can only easy, yeah. And I'm the most forgetful son of a bitch in here.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

That's why we can only that's why we love wrestling so much. We can only remember one name. Like Habibi. That's how we how we remember names. Crazo. Crazo. If your name's anything else we don't know.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

Habiba. I really thought that was gonna that was gonna hit. I told you it wasn't. You shut the hell up. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

We do what Habibi wants. Yes. We do. I think he might have been kidding. Because when we started the chant, he kind of looked at us like, hey, don't do that. That's stupid. I'm just kidding. I don't know. We're gonna have him on soon. This show was recorded by Impulse because we all just ended up here tonight. So we didn't get time to schedule a guest. I also didn't know when I was gonna be back because I just came from Las Vegas. Yes, let's uh talk about that. I don't want to talk about that. I lost Vegas. We're not finished with talking about Backlash yet. We can come back to Backlash. No, we can't. We can come back to Vegas. That's why it's called back. Come back to Vegas. We'll come back to Vegas. Backlash, Jacob Fatou in the blue gear, heel as hell, versus babyface, ultimate babyface Roman Reigns. Yeah, ultimate babyface Roman Reigns. He was the crowd was pumping him.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

I've never seen him do that before. When he got like he was getting off his knees and he he did this move. Not since he's had blue eyes. Yeah, looking at the crowd. Not since he's had baby blues. Shaking his arms, looking at the crowd, getting their energy, and then like he just blew up. I mean it was very Hogan-like rip.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

I never thought Jacob was gonna win the match. I don't I think it'd be psychotic and ignorant to take the title off Roman Ryan.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Very.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Because he's so over. Now I will say Jacob Fatou made him sit.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

He missed it. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

I didn't miss it. You missed it. You're the one doing the chance. This is how you push through the chance.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Tell Jay that.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

He can't. Jay knowing about promos. But I legitimately think eventually they're gonna put that title on Jacob. But you can't do it right now. Jacob solidified himself in this match as a full heel. That's what that's what I got out of this match is that Jacob solidified as a heel. And we needed that bad because he needs to he's doing now, he's doing the apple, the Adam's apple grab. The Tongan. Tongan, uh, yeah. Death grip. It's about as believable as the mandible claw. The mandible claw is more believable because the the fingers down your throat really, you know, stop you from going.

unknown 20:16

Really?

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Don't whisk. The tongue and what? No. What?

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Here we go. The tongue and death group pretty much is you look like Homer Simpson. I look like Homer Simpson. Well, I mean, if you're going to do the Tongue and Death Pro.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Oh my god almighty, they killed him. This is the worst podcast of all time. Well, that's okay. That's why we're over with six people. Yeah. And we pay them all six. Yeah. So match was match was awesome. I was happy with it. No surprises. Uh only one title change. No wait.

Vegas Detour And Nerd Bar

SPEAKER_02 20:59

No title changes.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

No title changes. It's an episode of SmackDown. Let's move on to the actual dramatic stuff. Transition. I thought we were going to Vegas. We're talking about Vegas, then. We can go back to Vegas. No, let's talk about it right now. We're talking about it right now.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

I want to know how you found that mural. Like, did you Google it? Did you just like walk up on it? That is true.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Shout out Travis Giles. Travis got it for you. Shout out Travis Giles. He told me go to the nerd. Also, if you go in there, I didn't go in there because the crew I was with didn't really want to go at the time. They suck. They suck. They have a mechanical bull that's that's that's uh phallic shaped. That I would have gone in there.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

It's mechanical bull shaped, like oh yeah. And you ride it. And no one wanted to go in there. Well, I mean it was we were really worn out. We'd been walking like two hours, like like 20 miles.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Never mind, I wouldn't have gone in there.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

We no, you had to be 21. It's a bar. Oh it's called the nerd. Like it's it's literally a bar. Yeah. So yeah, I would I would love to get a picture on of you on that since you know we're all so used to it.

Allegations And Protecting Indie Wrestling

SPEAKER_03 22:09

With a gram, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Okay. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Need to talk about some serious shit, okay? Really need to talk about some serious shit. We're not gonna end with this shit because it's too serious. Because when we really when's the last time we were serious on this show? 1987? Yeah, it's been a while. Maybe 85. 85, maybe, yeah. We've not been serious. Clay, who are you looking at? That white intercontinental title in there?

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Yeah, it's beautiful. Okay. So got some shit going on with a with a feuding with well, on two different sides of the mountain. On two different sides of the mountain, right? There's there's drama in there's there's perfect worker shoot drama in independent wrestling right now. Perfect. The reason that we do what we do is because we want to support independent wrestling and we want to support everything around independent wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

The right way.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

The right way.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

The correct way.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

The honorable way.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

I would like to point out that Klaybo is the only nice person on this podcast. I'm nice, but I'm also an asshole. Yeah. I'll admit that, and I'll be an asshole up front to you. Okay, that's the difference here. We don't proclaim. This is not the nice guy worker shoot podcast.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

So no, this is the straight up guy.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

We're not fake. We we're gonna tell you how it is. We're shoots. We're gonna we're we're marks all the way down, and that's the only thing it is. If the gimmick of this show is anything, it's just that we mark out on everything. We should turn that belt over and just make an M out of it because that's who we are. Right? That's the Mesus thing. Thank you, Clay. I didn't know. Sorry, I was serious. So there's been some things come to light with another wrestling podcast. Are we saying the name of that podcast? No. Okay. It's very nice of us not to say it. I'll be a nice guy and not say the name of the podcast. So some some things came out. Someone that was formerly on the podcast, on that podcast, was let go or was or was gone. Um you know, we've not got two sides of the story. However, we stand with that person because it seems to be everything they're saying is absolutely the truth about this podcast host and how the podcast functions. There's there's financials involved, there's uh there's sexual harassment involved, there's I don't know, vi I mean, I think it's like verbal, verbal abuse involved, blackmail, it seems. Manipulation. There's so much stuff going on, and you stick with us and we'll we'll keep you updated on it. And out of respect of the the I I mean, I can say victims, right? Respect to the victims. I'm not gonna say any names. Okay. You need to do the research yourself. It's not hard to find. You'll be able to you'll be able to find that info, you know. Uh you can message us if you want to, and we'll talk about it. So that stuff going on seems to be some other companies need to disassociate themselves with the situation.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

And a couple and one or two have already. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

One or two have, but the main one that should has not. And we're here to say that somebody needs to step up and at least find out all the facts before you you need to get rid of this person. Because it seems to be that this person is bad for independent wrestling. And so let me say this bad people can do good things, and good people can do bad things, okay? Because there's just people. So I don't know. I know we don't have the full story, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:15

But we've seen we've we've seen about every damn receipt.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

We've seen receipts, and more receipts are showing up every day.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

There's probably some like right now as we're talking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

And there's there's more, there's more all the time. It seems to be that, and there's no actual statement from these people other than just arguing online. She's made statements and the actual stuff, but there's been no def nothing in their defense. I've not seen one single thing in their defense that seems factual.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

Uh all the defense, I feel like it's safe to say, it's been bullshit. It's all fell through.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

It seems to be just arguing and stuff on through.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

It's not a business.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

It's not a business, but we what we pay taxes.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's not a business. Yeah. And they make money on it. So it's it just seems to be we're not a fucking business. We don't make any money. Right? We're doing this for the love of the game. We literally love independent wrestling and wrestling so much that we travel more than most wrestlers travel to watch shows. Just to watch shows, find talent that we love, follow those that talent around. Legitimately just love wrestling. We don't have, we don't have a we don't have an ulterior motive. We we don't. Would we like to make money doing this? Yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. But at its core, we are just here to support independent wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

But I got let me just say this too. If we were to make money, it would go towards the podcast and independent wrestling. And independent wrestling. And independent real wrestling business.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

You know.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

We make any money that we have in a pool for shows, goes to the shows and merch at the shows.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

Hell, our sh the money we spend is our shoot money.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We don't have work money. Yeah. Hell no. It's shoot money. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, one day it would be cool for this to be our shoot job, be our work job. But until then, we're going to keep doing what we're doing. And treating people the right way. And treating people the right way. And we want to let you know that if you have anything to say about it, if you are a victim, you know, of this person, of anybody like that, you need to stand up. You need to say what you need to say what say what you mean. And you need to say, you know, who it is, call them out. People who do bad shit like that, they don't deserve to be they don't deserve to be given good things.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

No.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

They don't deserve the support of they don't deserve the support of everybody. Right. And yeah, I mean, Wes.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

I mean wrestling, you know, is supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be something everybody can enjoy. It's supposed to be a safe place. Um We all have daughters.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

It's safe unless you're wrestling extra, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Yeah. We we all have daughters. We want to make sure that they enjoy those shows in our safe place too. Even Clay just announced. Congratulations. One on the way.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Um congrats to me too, I guess. Pappy D.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

But really, like if wrestling isn't a safe place, then what are we doing? Yeah. Where is the safe place? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

It's why we love wrestling, right? Why why I love wrestling is it's a community. We go there, we get to escape from reality.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

You let your guard down.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

You yeah, you let your guard down. You get to you you get to watch people in underwear wrestle.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

You know, no judgment.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

No judgment about everybody in the room just in their underwear.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

And we don't even We're all there for it.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

I've seen I've talked to Jeff Baker in person more in his underwear than I've talked to him in close. Every single one of us have, I believe. I've touched his body so much when he's in his underwear. It's super weird. Wait, I guess so. I hug him all the time in his underwear.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

You like that skin to skin. I do like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

He is a big beefy bastard. It feels good to have him against this.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Beefy skin to skin. He likes touching tummies.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Hey, all jokes aside, really, safe space. This podcast is a safe space. If you feel like you want to come on this podcast and talk about anything that, you know, anything that you need to, you can message the group. You can message me personally, anybody. We'll all, you know, we'll all talk to you and and and whatever. But honestly, I do feel like, and this is a call out to the company and that knows, and I think anybody who knows the situation knows who we're talking about. If you do not separate yourself from this podcast, from that podcast and the situation.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Not this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Not this podcast. Hey, let me tell you a secret. They don't involve us anyway. Yeah, they can't separate themselves from us. But I'm telling you out loud that the wrestling community will turn against you if you do not step up to this and do the right thing. Okay, I know it's the weekend, so I give them the benefit of the doubt, but other people have already stepped up and moved away from it.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

We got a company that's not had that's not had a show in a while, and no one knows when the next show is, and they've already pulled away from it.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, sometimes not saying anything is the best thing to say, but sometimes not saying anything seems guilty.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Sometimes not saying anything is just fuel to the fire.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

It is. So let's let's everybody let's remember to do the right thing. Remember wrestling is a safe spot, safe place. Support independent wrestling, support everyone in independent wrestling.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Look out for one another.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Yeah. And and you know, that's the best thing about this is the wrestling community, yo, they have her back so hard.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Listen, it's crazy. I'll I'll say this. This is I will name drop this because this person saying something means it's some shit. Zodi. Zodi. Zodi. This man was went live for 50 minutes talking about this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

And he's legitimately an incredible dude. He's a great dude. He's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

I feel like if you got that man talking about something, then it's some shit. Yeah. He also works for that promotion. He does.

Innovate Calls Out King Promotions

SPEAKER_00 32:13

So I know he I know he'd be feeling that same way. I know, and I know he knows them very well. Yeah, I know he's be he'd be feeling that same way. Okay, so that's one part of the drama. That's that's even the more the other drama is less serious, more work or shoot. You know that that shit's pretty serious. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

That's I mean, that's more or less that's personal stuff.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

It's personal, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's real. So the worker shoot stuff that's going on at Tennessee, Innovate, and King Wrestling. Is it King Pro?

SPEAKER_03 32:44

I think it's just King Promotions, maybe. King Promotions, yeah. Uh-huh. We got Pelvis Wesley or whatever his name is.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Pelvis the King. Yeah. So if you haven't seen it, I'm going to try to get the image on the screen. So if you haven't seen it, we'll we'll have links to it and everything. Innovate, our boys at Innovate. Dan. Dangerous Dan. Dangerous Dan.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Standing on business. Yeah. Okay. He's done, stood on it, and then jumped.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

So let me step back and tell you. There's an event coming up at the end of this month. Where you can sign up.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

You can sign up for a battle, battle. You can sign up for training.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

A seminar or a class.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

That's what, an hour and a half or two hours?

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Maybe two.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Maybe two. And if you've finished a seminar, you have a guaranteed spot in the Battle Royal that later that night.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

And a wrestling certificate or license.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

And a wrestling certificate. Have you not do you not know about this? I didn't know about that part. I didn't know about that part. Yeah, if you do the seminar, you get to wrestle that night. Jimmy Valiant will be there. He's doing the seminar, I reckon. Jimmy Valiant.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

Jimmy is the one giving these motherfuckers the cred. So you're going to do it.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

And the king. We're talking about it. No, we're talking about there's no reason not to. He's mentioned it, but my god man. Listen, my safety needs to be. Yeah, but you can protect yourself because nobody in there is gonna know how wrestle so you just push them off. I could be one stiff motherfucker. You do whatever you throw people all over the place. Yeah, you can just be stiff as hell. Just Jeff Baker, the whole place. You know what I mean? I want to do it. Yeah, I know. You should go do it too. Everybody should go do it. I'll go do it. I'll do it too. Look, if y'all do it, I'll do it too. Oh, no, that's not fair. If everybody else does it and I can't, you can be in Clay. Are you kidding, dude?

SPEAKER_03 34:36

You are underage. They will definitely let you do it.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

Oh, it's in a it's in like a basement of a VFW. I'm pretty sure you can do it.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Do it.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah. So they've done it before too. And the people that got the certificates, I was like, holy shit, don't let those guys run. Yeah. Wow. They've done this before. So evidently, Dan, there's promo on his there's promo on his page. So on Innovates page. Yeah. It's not on Innovates. Is it on Innovates page? It might be on both of it. It's on Netflix. Anyway, it's on NetPro and Dan's page. So he calls them out saying that he trained this dude for like a day.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

No. Ten minutes.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Ten minutes. He trained this guy for like 10 minutes. This dude went out of there saying he was a wrestler. Promoter. A promoter started wrestling. Like started training people to wrestle. So he's got all these dudes in the ring that are just dangerous as hell. Look, boys, we all want to wrestle. We all can't wrestle. This he can't even hit the ropes. No, it's really, really bad. His clips are bad.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

So dude, there's a clip of him and I feel like I hope it's appropriate to say. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

My God. It's awful, dude. And it's obviously just him. The midget's way better than him. Yeah. And he didn't get trained at all either. Truthfully, yeah. Literally. It's rough. So the cat. Dan has called it was one of the kids. 92. Dan has called him out. Dan and Xander Hendricks and Charlie Knox have called out the king. The king. Any of his wrestlers.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

Well no, it's he called him out the king against one-on-one with Dan.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

But if the king ain't got big enough balls, then he could bring two of his guys.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Will one or three of them show up?

SPEAKER_01 36:38

No.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Be at Innovate Collision Course May 23rd and you will find out.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Oh can't wait for that. Really? Honestly, it's okay. So they're not going to show up. But if they do show up, that's going to be a shoot. The whole thing's going to be a shoot fight.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Jeff Baker's going to jump in there.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Shout out Baker.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Jeff Baker's going to jump in if that was to happen.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

Because you missed this too. What if it turns into shoot? What if Chains comes out with that BMF title? Oh. You missed that. We'll get to that.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Now I'm in my head on whether it's a worker shoot.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Can we just go ahead and sign up? Please.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Hey Dad, you're going to miss that, by the way. What? Collision course. Why? Didn't you say you had a wedding that day? Yeah, but I'm going to leave.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

No, that's the 16th, ain't it? Oh, yeah, it's the 16th. It's a different show. Come on, yeah. Let's let's do this. Let's sign up, get the certificate, the THC, and the Cowan Kid.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

THC. Bro, I'm J Town talking about.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

You call yourself THC.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

The Hollard's chief.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

I know. That's awesome. THC. THC something else, though.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

That's the whole point. THC and what's your name gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 37:57

Are we serious, right? Who am I gonna be?

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Do it. Do it. These folks don't know yet. Okay. I was calling you the Calvin kid, like the Tongan kid, but I'm just saying. Nah man, I'm well. I'm ripping the J Town Mafia.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

J Town Down. You're at noon on C dub.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

J Town Down. I don't know where he's at. He's not here yet. I've not heard from him in a while.

Saving Kentucky Championship Wrestling Venues

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Anyway, what about Claymore? You should check out yeah, Claymore is great. Actually, Bobo. Shout out to the show. Shout out Bobo Bobo. Shout out Bobo. Okay. A solid segue to us insisting that you bring Kentucky Championship Wrestling to your town. Please. And set them up. Listen, Kentucky Championship Wrestling is the best Kentucky wrestling promotion that I have seen, right? Kentucky wrestling promotion. I love Innovate. I love NWA, right? But I am telling you that the things that Kentucky Championship Wrestling do are better than any other promotions stuff. There's promotions that have huge talent that comes in that I am telling you do not put on the same shows as Kentucky Championship Wrestling. Kentucky Championship Wrestling, look, I we glaze the hell out of these dudes. Bimmy Bates right here with us. But I am telling six, but I am telling you. That's not what I meant. But I'm telling you, we watch enough wrestling to know when something's great and something's not. And Kentucky Championship Wrestling is great and can be at the top of the mountain. But they cur but they currently are in a situation where they do not have a venue for their events. And we need to find them a venue.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Or venues. And every time you say no, instead of an angel losing their wings, Clay gets slapped with a bracelet.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Missed him.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

Or hit with it. Oh. Got him. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Slap him in the chest. The nest got sold.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

The nest got sold. The nest got sold. The nest is no longer the nest.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

So we can't, we're not going to see the shows in Vir. Oh shit, we're not going to get that pizza.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

Oh. Yeah, we can still heal Billy's. Oh, yeah, we can still go there and eat pizza.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

No.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

No way. There's no reason to go to Virgie without KC Dub.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

What? So we're trying to get them in a couple places. Whitesburg, Kentucky, Neon, Kentucky, Jenkins, Kentucky. Jenkins, Kentucky. There's a bunch of places we're trying to get them. So hopefully. Even if they just go different places. Well, that's the plan, right? So we'll get them.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Speaking of Jenkins, we need to contact the Rex, you know. I don't have. Oh, okay. I reckon they are in talk.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Six steps ahead of you, man. Rex here don't go with Jenkins either.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

It's all in the same county.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Never mind. I'll talk about it after the show. Never mind. We're not gonna do this live on the show. Nope. So we need to find them a venue, and we need to get Kentucky Champions, Kentucky Championship Wrestling. What is that date? June 13th. 13th. June 13th. We need to find on a venue before June 13th. So we'll get there that way we can promote it, okay?

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

And there's no current drama with them, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

No. No, other than other than their piece of shit champions.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Stop it.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Stop it.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

I'm just I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

When you start a fight, I end up having to be in it too. That's your decision.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Well, when we take you to that seminar and you get your wrestling certificate, then you can wrestle Sean Cruz anytime you want to. Because you'll be a trained wrestler.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

By the best.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Trained by the best. I ain't hating on Jimmy Valiant. Okay, Jimmy Valiant's like Jimmy Valiant, you know, he's a legend in the business. But but here's the here's the deal, though. But he's tied to his set, he's tied himself to some.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

I was about to say, are you not are you not questioning him though?

SPEAKER_00 41:46

He's all he's 80, bro. He might be being taken advantage of. Come on now. True. You know what I mean? It could be a uh Britney Spears situation.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

True, true. Conservative shit. Conservative shit. Yeah. Could be. So But he just had his retirement match. Like, I don't know. I question so much about it.

John Cena Classic News Skepticism

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Hey, yo, there's so many retirement matches that don't even speak of someone retiring.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

I think Clay was about to say it too. We never covered the John Cena moment on Backlash. Clay.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

I wasn't gonna say that. I wasn't gonna say it.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

Well now spotlights on you, big boy.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Um John Cena talked about um John Cena All Classic. Was it?

SPEAKER_02 42:38

Yeah, John Cena Classic. John Cena Classic been announced.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

When when did he say it was?

SPEAKER_02 42:44

He didn't say day. No, but apparently it's a new title. New PLE.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Oh, new P. E. Oops. Oh, is it?

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Yeah, he said it's a new event. Yeah, I don't think it'll be a PLE.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

I think it'll be like Saturday Night Might Event.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Maybe that's still a PLE.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

No, it's not. Used to be.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Not really. It's not.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

We've said it's not. We had a whole new bike. They said it's not. We said it's not. We talked about this before. It's it's I thought it was specifically, specifically.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

You're thinking about Saturday Night's Lame event.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

No, I thought Lame event is the same. Yeah, but I thought it was specifically on Peacock now, which you pay for. So it's not anymore.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

It's on ESPN.

unknown 43:23

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Bam.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

So I might need to go check on them.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Evidently, it's new talent versus old talent. So it'd be like Obal versus Brock. Like it's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

I think it's it's old new talent versus champions. Whoever's got the belts, right?

SPEAKER_03 43:46

It's just no the present and the future. Oh yeah. Really, it's just gonna be another. Like, I mean, I'm excited for it, I guess, but it's just gonna be another, it's the same show of the of his retirement show.

unknown 43:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

It was the present versus the future. It's fine. Show my frustration.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

It's fine. The I tell you what's not gonna work. The fans are gonna vote on the winner. That no matter even if you lose, the fans can vote, and somebody who lost can win. Yeah. I think that's gonna be so anticlimactic.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Well that's Or you're gonna have a bunch of unserious people vote collectively vote for the person who does not deserve it.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Or am I just being a mark and the I'm waiting to hear what Wes is saying?

SPEAKER_02 44:28

We've already had to endure this with 47 seasons of American Idol. I know.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

I just don't think it works anymore.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

So dude, I'm that's I'm sorry, dude. No, no, no, go. But like, look, that's how it was in like 2012 and stuff. Like every Monday night there was something, and it's like text your answer to this number, and like, you know, to vote for like the main event or whatever it was. And it was like every Monday.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Yeah, but 15 years ago they were doing that everywhere. Nobody does that anymore. Well, true. Like it's lame. It's like Saturday night, lame event. I will say, I think wrestling fans have amnesia so quickly that I don't think this is like wrestling fans don't remember what happened yesterday, tomorrow. You know what I mean? They don't.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

That just confuse me.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Well wrestling fans don't remember the day before. They don't nobody's gonna vote. Like tomorrow we're not gonna remember tomorrow. I don't think people are gonna I don't think they're gonna get the amount of votes that they think they are, and like you said, they're just gonna get spam bots, spam votes, or bot votes that are just bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

At the same time, too. Are they are they even really gonna go follow the votes?

SPEAKER_00 45:36

No, you're right. They're just gonna put the title on whoever they want to put the title on. That's exactly right. You're right.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

This wasn't earth shattering news. No, we were promised earth shattering news. Earth shattering that was gonna change the WWE universe forever.

SPEAKER_00 45:50

Like it's not changing anything, it doesn't change a single thing. We're good with it. They get a belt that doesn't matter. This is like you might as well put the speed title on some. Knight of Champions all over again. Oh man, I fucking hate Knight of Champions.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Language.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

Sorry. I'll bleep that. I just can't. I can't I hate Knight of Champions. It's boring. It doesn't make any sense. Nothing means anything.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Used to mean something. Used to mean something.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Wow, left me hanging. I'm still here.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

Thanks. Okay. I can't see you in the camera. I don't have my glasses on. I know you can't see a thing.

Upcoming Shows And Weekend Plans

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Okay. So we're coming to the end of the show. And only have a couple more things to bring up. Okay. And bring up the shows that are coming up that we're gonna we're gonna be there for. Uh innovate this coming weekend. What is the date? Saturday, May 23rd. Saturday, May.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

Let's start from the beginning. It's the whole weekend.

SPEAKER_00 46:55

What's that show this weekend then?

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Uh the 16th is uh AMW in Hazard. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

Okay. That's not the same day as on the baseball field, right?

SPEAKER_03 47:05

That's the day you reckon you're at the wedding.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

That's the day I'll be at the wedding. You all going to that show without me.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

I reckon.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Yeah, I probably can't make it to that show. I don't know if I can or not. We'll see. Anyway, that's the the 16th is AMW at Hazard. What's the main event? Marty Clay.

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Uh Marty is in a tag team, I think, with Lord Murphy.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so weird.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

That is weird. Lord Murphy Costa. Baby, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

Well, it's because Lord is Murphy's after Clay.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Oh, right. Because he's got to go for the gold. Right. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Stardust.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Yeah, I forgot about that. Versus who? My favorite wrestler. Who? Who? Versus who. Who? Who? Who? We don't know, Clay. We don't know. We don't have the card pulled up. You're usually the guy that pulls the card up and we're using your phone to record the show. So we don't. Well, I phone's in the floor. I can't get that. I don't know where Matt's on us. Yeah, Noah has no idea where his phone is. He's no no. No no noah.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

No no phone.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

No no phone.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

No no phone. No no nicotine. Shh. He doesn't use nicotine. So survive off of it. Yeah, I know. No no.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

We've got that show coming up and then the 23rd, which we'll we'll promote again. 22nd. 22nd. 22nd. We're gonna do our best to be in Knoxville, Tennessee on the 22nd at the Joe in WA Joe Kazanna. Tailgate Takeover, I think it's called. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's right. Tailgate Takeover. Last time we were there, we got the 10 pounds of gold put in Noah's face.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

My chair was broke.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

Chair was broke. We were front row. There was a bar fight. Bar fight. Awesome.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

Clay got drunk.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

I wasn't there. Clay was not there.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

But the difference with this show. I didn't say he was there and got drunk. I just said he got drunk. Dad's not home.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Uh it was on a Wednesday. The Joe wasn't open.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Show ended. Show was over. This time, it's on a Friday. Joe's open. After it.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

It's gonna be crazy.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

Oh yeah. It's gonna be crazy. There's gonna be a lot of drunk people in that ring.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Wrestlers are gonna make so much money on merch that night.

SPEAKER_03 49:19

There's gonna be so many drunk people getting chopped.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

How many people are gonna pay AJ to chop them? It's a lot. I'm pretty sure Casey did it for free last time.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Yeah, I was gonna say they're just gonna do it. Yeah. They're just gonna do it. Casey, Casey will chop it.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

That many drunks, they'd be stupid not to start charging them. Yeah, we gotta get friends front row seats when we go ahead and get tickets.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Absolutely. Okay. Saturday.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Saturday in Kingsport. Kingsport. Tennessee. Hey Wes, you want to say it? No, I was just being your hype man.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Thanks. Saturday, Kingsport, Tennessee. Innovate. What's the name of the show? Collision Course. Collision Course. This is their WrestleMania, by the way. That you say it or let me talk. Which one do you want to do? Collision Course is gonna be well, the King's not gonna show up. This is their WrestleMania. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 50:10

It's also the VIP fast pass match. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

Habibi's in it. Which gives us almost a full year of watching Innovate.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Ooh. Started in December.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

And Axon Ray's in it, by the way. This is my December. I guess he just kept the card forever because what's his name? Had the VIP uh Andy Optopus. Andy Optopus. Andy Octopus pushed it in.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

I know. But he must have kept it for six months. Well, remember Baker found it. Baker found it. He took it. And then I guess they got their tag mount. They got their tag match back. Ultimo. So yeah, it all worked out. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

So Ultimo faction. Ultimo Ultimo Faction. I like that. They got like 12 titles. They're awesome. Oh, also. You need to check out their page. They had a little bit of drama too. Yeah. Which is hilarious. It's great. That there was a promotion that stripped him of their titles. Oh, yeah. I guess.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

No, no, they relinquished them.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

They yeah, they relinquished them, sure. They relinquished their titles. There's a whole big thing. You should check out the factions page and go read up on it. It's awesome. I love I love I love wrestling. I love wrestling. I love wrestling. It's awesome. So that show, the they we don't have the full card yet for that show, right? But Moxie is.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

There's a few uh Moxie and James. JC Adams. Yep. They got the latter match announced. Uh Hubibis in it. Hub B.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Axton Ray. Yeah. Um Brandon Hartsook. Are Habibi and Axon Ray in the same match in the lighter match? Yeah. Nick Blackwell. Nick Blackwell. I could watch Axon Ray wrestle every day. I don't know any others. What was that? He got really excited about Axton Ray. Oh, okay. Vibrations of the race cars. Which look did you like?

SPEAKER_02 51:56

Are you gonna explode? What is going on? I thought I was standing beside Ultimate Warrior for a second. Oh my god. Take the control, Logan.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

So we got those shows coming up. What else do we have coming up?

SPEAKER_03 52:08

Um, and then Sunday on the 24th.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

Oh, yeah. Sunday, the same weekend. This is our big weekend of wrestling. Back in Knoxville.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

I'm not gonna say the company name because I know I'm gonna be wrong. I want it, I think it's NGW, but it's Party Bowl. Party Bowl, yeah. At the mill in Knoxville.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

It looks awesome. The card's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 52:28

Uh Mance Warner is announced. Yeah. Mance Warner's gonna do it. Old Mance. Like. He doesn't know it, but I'm about positive him and C Dove are like long lost cousins.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03 52:39

I think so. We had to introduce them. I ain't done the uh I ain't done looked at the family tree yet. It's like you and Clayton?

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Well, what I'm hoping is what I'm hoping is we can we can as a workers shoot crew can stay out. Can we go to the show Friday night, stay out? Fuck yeah. Stay out Friday night. Language. And stay out Sunday. We're talking about a fun weekend, all right? And stay out Friday and Saturday night. And then and then go to the go to all the shows. Go to all the shows. We'll go to the show Sunday and then come home. Probably eat Waffle House. And then come and then come home. We're not gonna eat Waffle House all three days. Whoa! Whoa. We'll eat once in the three days, boy. Maybe twice. Let's see. Maybe twice.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Maybe twice. Could eat it all night. What about second breakfast?

SPEAKER_00 53:26

We'll go to Huddle House one day. Yeah, Clay, that's better. Yeah, that's good. They have french fries. French fries. Who gets French fries? Bro, you ever had eggs and fries?

SPEAKER_03 53:37

No, I don't think I have. I've had eggs and hash browns. Eggs and fries are good. Yeah. I mean, anything with taters is good. It's about the same. Right? See that's what I'm saying? I mean, it's all the same thing. But if you're going to go to a to a house, a waffle or huddle.

Waffle House Heat And Final Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 53:49

You can go to either people, either person's house, waffle house, waffle's house, or the huddle's house. Why are you getting fries? No, I agree. That's fine. I'm gonna get I'm you know I just put all my stuff in one bowl anyways. True. Yeah, you do. Put gravy over top of it. You think they'll give me gravy? Will they give me gravy? That's the big question. Uh no, they won't. How many times have I ordered it? About eight times of one time they put gravy on it? No, no, it didn't throw up this week last week. I didn't. No, congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 54:16

Good job. That's a feat.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

We didn't say workers. But oh, that is a story I want to tell. Tell me. Let's talk about our waitress at Waffle House.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

Oh my God. Oh my God. I've been yeah, I forgot about it.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Do you know what I'm talking about?

unknown 54:29

No.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

We gotta stay together, guys.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

We can't be losing ourselves. Remember that time that y'all talked about wrestlers forget or wrestling fans forget.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Did she know anything that was going on? No, she knew nothing. She had no idea what was happening, bro.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Sounds like McDonald's and Watson.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Listen, she had she had she had go home heat. All the other people that were working there hate her. She couldn't get an order right. She was trying to she was trying to yell at the order, you know, because they like yell out the orders to the cooks and the cooks repeat it back to them or whatever. And she was trying to yell at the order, and he was like, please stop talking so I can talk. I need to ask you a question about it.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

And she was it was so funny that she was just yelling and he was yelling. Well, she sounded like Spongebob and be like, 17 crime Johnny's on the farm. Order up.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

I think that might have been one of the problems too. I don't think she was speaking loud enough.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Yeah, it was ridiculous. Nobody, the all the other waitresses were like, We're so sorry.

unknown 55:27

We're so sorry.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

I go to the I go to the bathroom and I come back and they damn near had a that someone had to hold them together, and then I got to witness it. Yeah. Then as we're sitting there, that one person was. No, there's two things. I ask her to give me a Philly omelet on the way to go. I tell her what I want. I go to the bathroom, she comes back to Dustin's, like, I know he wanted an omelet. What was he needing? So they tell her. I sit back down, she goes, You want cheese on that Philly omelet? Well, no, it's a Philly cheesesteak omelet.

SPEAKER_00 55:58

This is awesome, dude. She didn't know what was going on. We got one refill. That's her heart. The whole time we were there, I think.

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Sprite was asked like every time I go to a waffle house.

SPEAKER_00 56:07

Why do you keep getting it?

SPEAKER_03 56:09

I can't let I can't fall. I can't.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

It's never been good. Every time it just tastes like shit. You always get something else.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

I run on False Holt, man. Oh my God. We're so off the rails.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

No, we're not. We're talking, we're talking you weren't there. Just because you weren't there, don't mean we're off the rails. I was just talking about the side.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Maybe if you if you went to independent wrestling shows, you'd you'd you'd experience all this with us. I know Wayne's been to more than I have here lately. That's real. Literally.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

What in the world is going on? Yeah, so we have so many worker shoots this week that I can't even I can't even keep up.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

It's been a hell of a week.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

The whole the whole independent wrestling community is worker shoot right now. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:45

Honestly.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

Yeah. So uh tune in to the worker shoot podcast with all with all the we'll bring you all the worker shoots that are happening independent wrestling. We are here to unbiasedly, right, fully support independent wrestling. Absolutely. We tag every post with support indie wrestling because we legitimately believe it. Support it because we were watching Backlash tonight, and the entire time we were watching Backlash, we were thinking, man, I'd love to be at an indie show. I literally said that.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

We literally talked more about indie wrestling than we did the show we were watching.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

Yeah, because that's because it's what actually is fun, is an indie show. Clay, would you rather go to SmackDown or would you rather go to an Innovate show? You've asked me that and I said innovate. All day. I'd rather go to an innovate show. It's the most fun we've ever had. Like nothing's better than indie wrestling shows. Take your friends, go to indie wrestling shows. If you have nothing to do on the weekends, you're not trying hard enough. Love wrestling like we love wrestling and love each other like we love each other. And get Ryan to Japan. And let's get Ryan to Japan. As soon as you heal up, Ryan, we're getting you to Japan. Alright, boys. What we got? Y'all got anything else?

SPEAKER_03 58:01

As always. God wrestling's good.

Sign Off And Wrestling Love

SPEAKER_00 58:04

I really do love wrestling. Yeah. I just stole it. You took it. You took it early. That was quick. Clay, you got anything else? Don't be a mark today. Ooh, Noah? What? Wes? Oh, Claybo. Yeah. Ring the bell.