Nailing History
Introducing "Nailing History," the podcast where two friends attempt to nail down historical facts like they're trying to assemble IKEA furniture without the manual. Join Matt and Jon (or Jon and Matt) as they stumble through the annals of time, armed with Wikipedia, Chat GPT, and a sense of reckless abandon.
In each episode, Matt and Jon pick a historical event that tickles their curiosity (and occasionally their funny bone) and dissect it like a frog in biology class—except they're the frogs, and they have no idea what they're doing. From ancient civilizations to modern mishaps, they cover it all with the finesse of a bull in a china shop.
But wait, there's more! In between butchering historical names and dates, Matt and Jon take a break to explore the intersection of history and pop culture. Ever wondered if Cleopatra would have been a TikTok sensation? Yeah, neither have they, but that won't stop them from imagining it in excruciating detail.
So grab your popcorn and prepare to laugh, cringe, and possibly learn something (though don't hold your breath). With Matt and Jon leading the charge, "Nailing History" is the only podcast where you're guaranteed to leave scratching your head and questioning everything you thought you knew about the past. After all, who needs a PhD when you've got two clueless buddies and a microphone?
Nailing History
122 Candles in the Wind: The Day Diana Died: Memories and Controversies
What if the tragic death of Princess Diana wasn't just an accident? Join us as we revisit the life and untimely demise of the People's Princess through a blend of personal stories, public reactions, and the ever-persistent conspiracy theories that have surrounded her legacy. We begin with an apology for our previous episode on spies, admitting our shortcomings and sharing a charming story about an eight-year-old’s unexpected fascination with Bridge of Spies. Reminiscing about our childhood experiences with PG-13 movies, we also highlight Kate Winslet's career from Titanic to Mare of Easttown, even joking about having her as a future guest.
Recounting the day Princess Diana died, we share our vivid memories of where we were and the intense media coverage that followed. From the initial reports of paparazzi involvement to Elton John's heartfelt tribute and the Princess Diana beanie baby phenomenon, we cover the public's reaction in detail. We reflect on how the media narrative might have oversimplified the blame on the paparazzi and how our perceptions of Diana have evolved with age. This chapter offers a heartfelt trip down memory lane while questioning the story we've all been told.
In the final segments, we dive into the more controversial aspects of Diana's life and death, exploring her secret interview with Martin Bashir, her tumultuous marriage to Prince Charles, and the conspiracy theories suggesting foul play by the British Royal Family. We scrutinize the various motivations behind these theories, including her relationship with Dodi Fayed and her rumored pregnancy. We also touch on Diana's own fears of a staged accident, adding a chilling layer to the discussion. Join us as we dissect these complex and enduring mysteries, honoring Princess Diana’s memory while seeking to unravel the truth behind her tragic end.
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Speaker 2:Hey guys, Welcome back to another installment of the Nailing History podcast. I've been given strict instructions to not discuss the length of the intro music anymore. I guess in doing that I just did, but I just wanted to make the point that you won't hear about it ever again. Whoever said that to me?
Speaker 1:That's some good advice, but, yeah, just a good point that we want to. We always like to take your feedback on. So thank you for that, guys, and we're stoked to have you back for another installment of Nailing History.
Speaker 2:Yeah and hey guys.
Speaker 1:Matt and John.
Speaker 2:We really, hey, john, I really think we should take this time to apologize about that last episode, not the trivia episode, but that that spies episode. I'm sorry fans and we're gonna take, we'll admit when we're not at our best and john probably said it the best. When I asked him if he had listened to it, he said yes and it kind of put me to sleep, which, if you're listening to yourself and it's putting you to sleep, it's usually not a good indication of what the listeners are going to like.
Speaker 1:It wasn't my best work, I got to be honest. I just I was driving down 95, just humdrum, and listening to my own voice, and I was just like, oh my God, is that really what I sound like? And my fiance tried to like. She like, yeah, I know, I tell you no monotone and I'm like I know, but it's like the subject matter was dry and kind of nobody was prepared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it was a preparation issue it was a preparation issue and I got it this week's episode I gotta take, I gotta take, uh, I gotta take the hit on that one. I didn't prepare it all and you know, as the lead producer of the show, I really I really came up short on that last episode. So fans hope you're still sticking around. We we have. From what I gather, we have about 12 loyal fans that listen every week, down from the 89 listeners that we had for one of those OJ episodes. But hey, you know, at least we got, we'll get them back when we do a Lacey Peterson's L nine listeners that we had for one of those oj episodes.
Speaker 1:But hey, you know, at least we got, we'll get them back. When we do a lacy peterson's, lacy and scott peterson story, we'll get them back yeah or hey.
Speaker 2:You know we still got the trial to cover with emily m, so you know maybe right yeah but if I feel bad because the eighty, nine people who listen to that episode if they're not keeping up with us, then they're not going to know when we're dropping that.
Speaker 1:So they got a their loss. I guess anything about German spy craft that's, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Well, they're definitely not going to know about the bridge of spies that you kept mentioning in that last episode.
Speaker 1:So but you did say that one of your familial relations is interested in watching that movie. Now you might have been joking with me.
Speaker 2:No, I wasn't my eight-year-old nephew. We got him interested in the story.
Speaker 1:Yep, just on our telling Wow, I guess maybe he reads and watches it as much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he was interested in it. I did have to. I guess I'll give a PSA for that, john. You could correct me if I'm wrong. He asked he's eight years old or no? Sorry, he's 10 years old. Hope he's not listening, he's 10. And he was asking if he was, if it was appropriate for him to watch, and I think it is. I don't know what it's rated. I think it might be rated PG 13, but I think I think he's. I mean, I was 10 when I went to see men in black black in the movie theater.
Speaker 1:So and I know under 13. When Titanic came out speed yeah, I had to close my eyes during one scene in particular, but I was there when it came out. I do remember being in the movie theater.
Speaker 2:I mean everybody was. And Kate Winslet who played Rose in that film. I've said multiple times she filmed a show for HBO in our area called Mare of Easttown. It was filmed near where I live. I remember when I saw it first I was like I feel like Leo could do better, looks wise, because I think I didn't think she was as attractive. But then as I've watched the movie again I watch it a lot that's one of those movies. Anytime I see it on I'm watching, you know, at least until the first commercial break. And I think lately I feel like as I've gotten older and seen, I mean she was quite the beauty in that film. I would quite beautiful red hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know what that. I know. When it came, when the movie came out on on VHS, it was a two, it was a two-parter it was was.
Speaker 2:It was a two tapes. I feel like it might have been more.
Speaker 1:I remember my sister, my sister bought it. Probably only watched the first one, probably lost the second one immediately and we're never watched it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or what I saw, or you hit it so you could keep it for the late nighttime video. Those two guys in the in the crow's nest, that didn't that. That missed the iceberg. How do we even get here? I can't even walk back five minutes. How are we gonna?
Speaker 1:like create a whole narrative fiction how alternative events how do we get to that?
Speaker 2:we got the kate winslet. Oh, my nephew. My nephew wanted to know if he could see Bridge of Spies. I said I think it might be a PG-13 movie. You said well, hey, I went to see Titanic before I was 10. Well, yeah, it was Kate Winslet episode. Hey, maybe we can get her on someday.
Speaker 1:I'll send this to her, I'll send this episode to her homage and your appreciation with a P? S. Thank you from thirteen year old Matt you well, I would have been nine, nine.
Speaker 2:I think that came out in nineteen ninety seven, which is a great segue into what we're going to be talking about today. So let's, let's get started here, let's have every now that we got everyone kind of in the mood, you know, of like thinking of, like those late nineties, everything that was going on, the nineteen, ninety, nineteen, ninety, seven, go back into a simpler time a year.
Speaker 2:It was a big year. Ninety nine seven was a good year for some, for the subject of this episode For some, yeah. So everyone likes a good conspiracy theory. Everyone likes some good, old-fashioned, not necessarily accurate conspiracy theory talk. We got it lined up here for you, something that's an anniversary, that's coming up on August 31st 1997, the day that the Princess Diana of Wales, princess Diana, diana, princess of Wales.
Speaker 2:Yes, diana, princess of Wales, she had passed away with her boyfriend, dodi Fayed, in France, in Paris, in Paris, france, along with their driver, henri Paul. They died in the tunnel of love, I think, or what was it called.
Speaker 1:On the llama. Yes, the French translation is please stand by. I've walked over the bridge. Fun fact in my time in Paris once. I think there were still a bunch of roses and stuff when I did it Then I think fans are still leaving tons of things there. It's just called the Alma Bridge.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think if you were our age, you know, if you were anywhere between you know, if you were of any age where you could be, it is like the biggest story of the year by far and I remember having never I'd like before this happened. I was like I didn't even know who princess Diana was. Then, all of a sudden, elton John's coming out with a song about her after she dies and it's like the biggest news, you know and do you know where you were?
Speaker 1:for me, it's one of those. I know where I was really because the news kicked in. Yeah, do you remember where you were? Like I know where 9-11 was. I know we're staying to die I don't know why, princess Diana, but I do. Do you remember?
Speaker 2:No, no, that's definitely it was. I was just kind of like oh.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I was at. I was at my grandparents house. Saturday Night Live was on. Jeff goldbloom was hosting and I think he was in his monologue and just like halfway through it just cut to breaking news story of princess diana's been in a car accident or we have like unconfirmed reports. It was like that early on. Yeah, it was that she. Um, it's interesting you remember that I do.
Speaker 2:I don't. That wasn't like a define. It wasn't like a define I was. If saturday night live was on, I was probably in bed.
Speaker 1:Be honest with you I guess I got to stay up later when I was at my grandparents yeah, that's true that's yeah that's a good point snl 1997. Yeah, I think I got a swore. Yeah, may seven episode aired may 17th 1997, so it must have been a repeat well, that's not even close to when the date was.
Speaker 2:That's actually about four months before it happened.
Speaker 1:Good job, john, great memory I swear to you that Jeff Goldblum was the host, so it could have been a repeat.
Speaker 2:Oh see, yeah, I mean it's probably not live. Yeah, right End of summer?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, I yeah, right End of summer? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're coming out.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know, I don't watch that horrible show.
Speaker 1:But it was funny back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but not now, so I don't know if they're in current I'm assuming they're currently off season. But Anyway, so let's go back. You know, if you're our age and you were young, the only thing Like, hey, the paparazzi was following Princess Diana and her boyfriend through it. This was my recollection of the events. Paparazzi was following Princess Diana and her boyfriend, chasing her through a tunnel, and then she didn't make it out of the tunnel. Basically, long story short, and the paparazzi had gotten. I remember most of it was that the paparazzi was just so heavy on her and caused them to speed. That was the story that I remember. Paparazzi was just so heavy on her and like, cause them to speed or that mean. That was the story that I remember was the paparazzi was following them and then her driver was speeding to get away and they basically crashed and that car was trashed.
Speaker 2:I mean, you couldn't it was a rack and a half. I mean jesus, geez, I'm a podcast episode it was like the personification of our spies episode.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was trashed. I'm like man, that's crazy and like then you know so. Then I remember Elton John coming out with a song. I remember there being a beanie baby coming out with a Princess Diana beanie baby. So there's a little bit of backstory. I mean, that's the memory. I don't know, john, what memory do you have? I remember the funeral was a big deal. It was like constant coverage of that.
Speaker 1:Those are things I can't personally recall.
Speaker 2:I guess I remember how big of a deal it was. I do remember seeing her kids at the funeral procession. They were hyper-focused on William and Harry. That's pretty much all.
Speaker 1:I just remember the dad just on the SNL four month old Jeff Goldblum episode being cut out for the car chase. No, I don't remember like I can. Like I know about the Elton John song, I know about kind of the higher little stuff, but the actual even how the media was taking, but the actual even how the media was taking it after the fact, I really don't remember it. We were eight or nine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were nine. Yeah, nine, I mean, I remember. I just remember the paparazzi being the main blame game, which, yeah, very convenient, if you ask me. I don't know, just saying very the paparazzi with the scapegoat. So you don't believe it, are you kidding me? Of course I don't believe it.
Speaker 1:Seventh anniversary.
Speaker 2:It may seem like a random date but I think the reason that it really resonates with John and I now is Princess Diana was our age when she passed away, which is kind of. That's interesting because obviously when know, obviously when we're, when we see that she looks like some old mom but now we were just talking beforehand we look at pictures of her. I'm like she was a looker, I can say it.
Speaker 1:He was attractive, she was a babe, good looking lady yeah mother of two goodlooking lady with a not so good-looking husband well, for any of our fans who don't know I think I'm sure a number of you do matt is a uh. What would be the opposite of an anglophone? You're an anglophobe. I know they call any people that love the british or anglophiles. I'd say you're certainly an anglophobe. I don't think you like the british at all well, I hey if we have fans from.
Speaker 2:If we have friends from England, I like them, Of course. My whole thing is I don't understand why everyone like thinks that the royal family is so great when they're kind of like. The whole thing in the history of world history has been oppression.
Speaker 1:I think that could be argued. I'd say I think an argument that can be made is that I think Diana wish, because she was calling out some of the stuff that the family was doing and how it was kind of a business, I think, since 19, since the mid 90s when she was talking about it, and now the whole thing with Megan Margo and everything else. I think, yes, still, even it's. Maybe it's weirder in the, in the modern times. Why do people still look up to these people that I have one, they have no power, they don't have any governmental power, and two, they're like leeches on society and the economy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know we get out.
Speaker 2:I I mean my thought is always in, like when there's a met, when there's a wedding coming on, when there's a wedding, there's always a royal family wedding coming on or anything like that, and everyone's like, oh, I'm staying up, I'm getting up early to watch this, blah blah. I'm like dude, if they were in America people, could you imagine if there was like a family that just took all of our tax money to live in this fancy?
Speaker 1:Well, I guess just and unfortunately they're not a natural aristocracy. They're an artificial, more of an artificial aristocracy.
Speaker 2:You know, imagine if our taxpayers were paying for a family to live in this big giant white house in one of the most expensive real estate areas in the country.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine and continue to pay for them after they leave office with secret, secure, secret service?
Speaker 2:detail and houses, contracts, and yeah and yeah pensions, but I think which I mean kind of talk myself into that one. But I just feel like obviously the it's just so much of a publicity thing. I don't know well, I think people like it it's certainly. I mean, there's a fantasy towards it, I'm sure like these women wanted to be be princesses and the men wanted to be.
Speaker 1:you know, prince charming, I think it's also now in twenty twenty four, I think, of people that do still like I like to learn about the British Monarchy. One is like not many other countries that have it still. I mean, there are still some countries in Europe that have a king, queen, or even a duke in case of Luxembourg, that you know people could know about, but I feel like they're just so symbolic of a foregone era, like there was a monarchy and there was a way you were to present yourself and you had customs and traditions, chivalry, bad or indifferent chivalry. I just think it harkens back Some people just like the drama that I think I think princess Diana kind of like launched, like everything was so buttoned up with these people, you know, until she gave this big interview in 1995 where you know she basically had a under like the cover of darkness, kind of like whisk away a interviewer and his cameraman into Kensington palace so she could do this interview and where she started outing them and saying like hey, well, this is how it kind of really is and I feel you know like it was just, she was just kind of laying it all out there.
Speaker 1:I think then that kind of really created this drama that I think was left, mostly like in parliament. I feel like in like the British times was like there was like parliament scandals and stuff, like in the seventies and eighties. I don't feel. I feel like that stuff didn't touch the royal family. I think like the royal family was seen as above all that and then, like I think, diana came on the scene, it was like yo, my husband is a loser and I don't like him.
Speaker 1:He's got big old ears, they something about it. Dumbos flying out the house and yeah, I guess they had to do away with their or the pop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hey, yeah, so anyways, let's, so, let's, let's get into this. So there's been, you know. So I think obviously, when we were kids, you never, there was never any thought of like, hey, maybe the royal family had something to do with this little. It's kind of a it's a bit of a mysterious car accident. There's some mystery shrouded around it and some things necessarily may not add up. I mean, I'm not going to say that I'm an internet sleuth, but I just think, hey, she was being a little, she was going against the crown, she was dating someone who may not have looked to be the proper person to be dating through the eyes of the monarchy. So, yeah, she was going against the grain. So there's been some conspiracy on what happened. So let's just get down to John. Do you want to start with the interview that you're talking about kind of like, the start of like, where everything started going south on the old British crown and Diana started going?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what? She was what nineteen years old when she was married to Charles the third. So she was quite a young woman when she was first wedded into the family and you know, for the first, however many years you know, after the birth of William, after the birth of Harry, I think she was just seen as that doting mother, you know, kind of docile, you know sort of just doing the bidding of a, of a future queen kind of thing, trying to act in act in that light. But by the early 90s, I guess, word was getting out that she was in an unhappy marriage with Charles, apparently. Even by 1986, I think it was known, it was an open secret that Charles was in a relationship with Carmela. They're still together, they're together to this day and yeah, so things were clearly were shaky, but you know, they were kind of keeping the image in the front up, like the, you know the world family. They had like literally like fixers he had, like they had security detail, they had, you know, media handlers, you know and all these people that were like keeping this whole thing, you know this bridge of bridge of cards, if you will, kind of up and going.
Speaker 1:And so in 1992, yeah, she released a book with the help of this, diana did. Diana did which I think in the was supposed to be a way of her kind of kind of getting some of this stuff out there. She was trying to kind of expose some of the stuff through that book. Kind of backfired on her from what I was reading and uh, the, the Royal family, kind of clamped down that much harder on her. So after that she was basically I don't know if she was forced to, but she ended up living in Kensington palace all by herself. Uh, castles and palaces scattered throughout England and different, you know, different times in history you'd put different people in, sometimes just to kind of do away with them, uh, just to get them out of, get it out of sight, out of mind. And so, yeah, she was living in this palace and, um, basically, word kind of got started that you know obviously she was not happy.
Speaker 1:And uh, the people at the BBC, this one gentleman guy by the name of Martin Bashir, who in 1995, the year of of the interview he would end up having with her, he was kind of like a, like a low man on the totem pole there.
Speaker 1:So like everyone wanted to do an interview with Princess Diana, like everyone kind of had these burning questions that they knew like she wasn't happy, they knew there was, you know, trouble in paradise, like they just wanted an interview, but everything was so buttoned up and a lot of these journalists and all these people they had their own kind of cult of personality going on, like Barbara Walters wanted her and the mother, kind of high end British people.
Speaker 1:So this guy, martin Bashir, he's kind of a low man on the totem pole in terms of the BBC, so in that way he could kind of go around the normal channels and kind of not be seen. So then so this guy, he after the fact he'd be accused with like deception and unethical conduct for how he actually went about getting an interview with Princess Diana. So he basically started forging bank statements that falsely suggested people close to Diana were being paid to spy on her. Uh, he showed the documents to Diana's brother, earl Spencer, to gain his trust and secure and introduction to Diana. Um, he kind of I think he he got a connection at MI mi five, which is a security service in britain, and you know, basically worked out that he kind of played into like hey, the government's spying on you, the intelligence services are keeping an eye on you, so here let us follow and like why don't you kind of share your side of the story?
Speaker 1:and so yeah basically, somehow, like he managed to like, eventually hire up to the how do they know that this wasn't true?
Speaker 2:all the stuff that he was saying.
Speaker 1:You said, he forged this stuff. Yeah, he forged bank statements.
Speaker 2:Do they know that they were forged? Are they just saying that?
Speaker 1:it's now been proven by who and he's been like let go from the bbc. I don't know if he said it, I'm just saying the BBC offered a public apology for the way the interview was obtained and for the subsequent cover-up. They returned the BAFTA award won by the interview, eventually resigned from the BBC.
Speaker 2:Dang dang, that's gorilla interviewing, I guess they would call that, so I don't see Diane Sawyer doing that.
Speaker 1:They do not, and it had to be done in much secrecy. So it was literally the day of the interviews. November fifth of nineteen and ninety five is when they did the interview, and it was just Bashir, his cameraman, and an editor, basically somehow man and Diana, and Diana was in the palace. Yes, they get. The three of those guys had to get snuck into the palace. Only those closest to her knew what was going on.
Speaker 2:She's married at this point, correct? Yeah, she's still with Charles at this point.
Speaker 1:But she's basically living in the palace by herself and then, yeah, the guy does this interview against the full, gets the raw tape, sends it to one of the as they say, gets the tea.
Speaker 1:but they can't like cut the film, they don't want to like take the raw footage and, you know, start, take it to BBC headquarters and start editing it like, and then eventually the higher-ups catch wind of it and then, yeah, they, they eventually release it to the public. Uh, how many weeks later? Two weeks later, what is this? Uh, november 20th 1995, it was a 54 minute program uh with martin basheer where he asked her about her relationship with her husband, char Charles, prince of Wales, and the reasons for their subsequent separation. It was watched by nearly 23 million viewers in the UK and the worldwide audience was estimated 200 million across 100 countries. They said that in the UK the National Grid reported a 1,000 megavolt surge in demand for power after the program and it was called the Scoop of generation and the scoop all right, so to scoop, so all this stuff is.
Speaker 2:so she's talking about extramarital affairs in here between her and Charles. You know, for she she had some, yeah, both of them.
Speaker 1:They were just unhappy, it seems hey, and how to keep up a front and image. And this is, this is the part of the royal family. You're in the family now, yeah, no, getting out.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's what I love about them.
Speaker 1:They're so great bridge in Paris.
Speaker 2:So so yeah. So then, a month after this interview, I believe, the queen told Diana and Charles that she recommends they divorce.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so cat was out of the bag.
Speaker 2:That was it. That was the last straw. The Queen's like we got to get her out of here because she's knows too much.
Speaker 1:Yes, getting assigned book deals, it's just going to go through the roof. Netflix will eventually come to be, come to pass, and she'll be making documentaries on there.
Speaker 2:We got to get her out yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 2:So that's kind of starting this whole like I mean, you know it was a lead up to that, but you know they call this interview the tipping point as in a sense that, like you know, diana was kind of like stuff's not cool, but this was like the time where you know the queen's like this has got to end right. Yeah, so they got divorced. I think their divorce was found, was finalized, like the following year. And then you know diana, she still has her. Does she still have her title or I'm not sure she's still her title?
Speaker 1:but she was still doing charitable things, she was the queen in the country's heart, queen of their heart, she was just still a public figure. I guess you could say she certainly was. Yeah, I mean still people refer to her as princess. So pre-divorce, so before the divorce, she was formerly known as Her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales. After the divorce, she was simply Diana Princess of Wales. After the divorce, she was simply Diana Princess of Wales. The loss of the Her Royal Highness title meant that she was no longer considered a member of the royal family and could not carry, could not? She had. No, she had to curtsy to those with the. She had to curtsy to those with the High Royal Royal Highness designation, including her own children.
Speaker 2:Dang, that's cold blooded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can imagine having to curtsy to your kids after.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a prince right there.
Speaker 1:You got to bow before him. He's like well, it came out of me.
Speaker 2:Dude, that would be wild. So okay, so that's a little bit of a background. There's riffs going on. We're not going to get I'm, I don't know enough, and we're not going to get that far into here for conspiracy.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're here for the dirt of this event, so we tried getting the facts. It's boring. We're going for the hot stuff so all right, so they get divorced.
Speaker 2:Their divorce is finalized in like August of nineteen ninety six. Diana is continuing to do her princess of Wales thing that John just explained, but you know she's also, I think she's dating around, as of course she's a beautiful young lady, but obviously she's not dating josh most like me or you. I mean she's dating some of the most elite people in the world you could imagine tough.
Speaker 1:It'd be tough to find a date that with that person out, with that level of intrigue, there's no anonymity to it. I wonder you know, yeah, yeah, how do you? Basically I say that how do you, how do you?
Speaker 2:like. How do you think?
Speaker 1:the posers from the real, the real dudes to the guys that are worth their salt.
Speaker 2:Now here's a good question. If she has to curtsy to her kids, does that mean if you went on a date with her and you went to go pick her up at her house, you'd have to bow to the kids at home? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that anyone had to curtsy when they saw women curtsy of. Well, men do men bow. I guess, if I just saw Prince William in the supermarket, just happenstance, like what, I'd be responsible as like a bridge subject about him probably, which I guess I am. I am a British subject, yeah, technically yeah, with your Australian citizenship.
Speaker 2:So that's pretty wild state. That's pretty wild. That'd be a pretty wild situation.
Speaker 1:You bow to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you'd have to, I guess wouldn't know what you knowing what you don't know if Princess Diane and I would get along too well together, I don't know if we'd get to the point. I mean, I feel like, honestly, my honest opinion, if I was able to go on one date with Princess Diana, I don't know if it would lead to a second date, certainly wouldn't lead to a third date. So, yeah, she hooks up with this guy, dodi Fayed, who is an Egyptian. I don't know if he was a royalty, but he was from a very wealthy family. A little bit of adding to the conspiracy of definitely wouldn't have made the queen and royal family necessarily happy to see her going around with a Egyptian Muslim in the tabloids which there are a bunch of pictures give releases of her on, like these crazy vacations with him and yeah, the guy does take a great one of your on his Wikipedia page, but the man's got a great headshot author photo.
Speaker 1:If you ever told me he's the author of like a love story for our fans, you know this is an audio only podcast at this time. Guys basically got his hands like folded on his chin, like with his elbows propping up his head and he's just got this like smirk going on.
Speaker 2:Kind of like if you were like in bed, like 15 year old yeah, with like one of her girlfriends, like talking about a boy she likes at school.
Speaker 1:It really was like oh my god, I just met princess diana.
Speaker 2:Like I'm so excited, like that's the look on his picture I will say not very good looking, um, probably better looking than charles, but that's not saying much. I feel like low by looks go, I'm 36. He was 42 at the time. I feel like I'm better. I feel like I'm better looking than him.
Speaker 1:I've seen a few 90 day 90 day fiancés. For whatever reason, they always go to find people from Egypt. I think he's run of the mill.
Speaker 2:I think I'm better looking than him, but he probably had more money than me. So more money, you think? So 100. So let's fast forward.
Speaker 2:August 31st 1997, princess diana, and are out on a date. They get into a Mercedes car and the paparazzi is like all over the place, right yeah. And they get in the car, they're in Paris, france, and they speed away and, like we said, they get into a tunnel and then, from what everyone understands, according to the reports are that they lost control in the tunnel where you couldn't see anything happen Interesting, and they collided with a support pole inside there. The car gets trashed and Princess Diana, the driver, henri Paul Paul and Dodi Fayed all pass away from their injuries and they're one survivor who had severe brain injuries that I don't think he ever really recovered fully from. I think he was like a security guy that Dodi Fayed had hired. He survived, but the other three passed away.
Speaker 2:The funeral was seen by like billions of people across the world and it gets to you thinking like, hmm, pretty interesting timing. Huh, I mean, diana just kind of spilled the beans on the royal family. Year ago she got divorced dating somebody that the royal family might. Year ago she got divorced, dating somebody that the royal family might not necessarily like. So somewhat convenient of her to be taken out of the picture.
Speaker 1:What do you think about that? I don't know.
Speaker 2:So getting down to like. So there have been some conspiracy theories. There's some people out there who are like 1 plus 1 might not equal 2 here. Something seems a little fishy with this. Maybe there's. What were the reasons? What were some of the reasons that led to such a conspiracy to be brought up? There was a couple reasons. One of them was that there's potential that Diana was pregnant with Dodi Fayed's kid, which the crown wouldn't have been happy with because they wouldn't have wanted an Egyptian Muslim to potentially be an heir to the throne.
Speaker 1:Wait who would she be? They were divorced at that point now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know who wouldn't have no she, there would be some, though she had a curtsy from to everyone from now, because she was no longer entitled yeah, but maybe there would have been a way for him to get there, or maybe just you know, maybe, hey, maybe just being so close to that you know, you never know could be a, could be a mutiny going on that's a crackpot conspiracy theory Right on the surface.
Speaker 1:I mean that could be a reason why they killed her, because they just didn't want to be associated. They wanted to get rid of her and that guy was involved. But the potential for them to have a baby that would eventually become the king or queen of England.
Speaker 2:Never know.
Speaker 1:I've studied enough British monarchical history of how, of the line of a session, I don't think that would be a very possible.
Speaker 2:So the big one, the big reason and these aren't like conspiracies but just more like reasons why the conspiracy that parliament or the royal family I guess it wouldn't necessarily have been parliament, but it would have been the Royal Family was behind the murder of Princess Diana, probably the biggest one is that Charles wanted to marry his personal assistant, nagy Bork, tiggy Leg Bork, and I guess you couldn't marry Because of, even though they were divorced. I don't think, I still don't think, he could marry. He could have remarried because of, like, religious reasons.
Speaker 1:Tiggy. You couldn't marry Tiggy, yeah, because of religious reasons. Yeah, so was even Camilla. A third week was Camilla like second serving.
Speaker 2:Camilla was like. So Camilla was involved too. And then Tiggy was involved, like it was like a. It was like a three. From from what I understand there were like it was Charles Diana, tiggy and Camilla were all like you know he was just such a stud that everyone was wanting some of that.
Speaker 2:So this even led to the point there's this thing called the Mishan note, I think it's pronounced where Diana requested a private meeting with her personal. To the point. There's this thing called the Michon Note, I think it's pronounced where Diana requested a private meeting with her personal legal advisor His name is Victor Michon to tell him that something was on her mind. And during the meeting, which he took notes on, she basically said that reliable sources, whom she would not name, had informed her that a car accident might be staged and that Diana predicted she would either end up dead or seriously injured. Another thing Diana had a note that she gave to her butler two months after her divorce in 1996. The note read it says months after her divorce in 1996. The note read it says I'm sitting here at my desk today in October longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong and hold my head high.
Speaker 2:This particular phase of my life is the most dangerous. My husband is planning quote unquote an accident in my car brake failure and serious head injury in order to make the path clear for him to marry Tiggy which, like I said Tiggy leg Bork was the was Prince Charles personal assistant, sure. So all this stuff was kind of coming to light, or you know, some of this stuff kind of came up and and all these conspiracy theories started coming in. So the uh, I don't know if it was MI six or if it was just it was a metropolitan operation task force headed by john stevens, called operation page a, p, a, g, e, t. How would you pronounce that, john either?
Speaker 1:pageant or page, if we're going to go with the french.
Speaker 2:I don't know why it would be french, unless I guess, if it's me page, there have to going to go with the French. I don't know why it would be.
Speaker 1:French, unless I guess if it was Paget, there'd have to be an accent on the E, I think Maybe, and then the T would be silent.
Speaker 2:Anyway, operation Paget, headed by this guy, John Stevens, a special metropolitan operation task force that looked into 175 conspiracy theories surrounding her death. So there's a couple of them that are more interesting than others, and so I just want to go over a couple of them and see what you think.
Speaker 1:I'm just looking at the chapter names of these, I guess different possibilities from his book. You seen this by who? John Stevens, Bon, John Stevens. Yeah, here's report like relationship, engagement, pregnancy. Chapter two perceived threats to Diana. Chapter three actions of paparazzi. Four, Henri Paul, Five, CCTV, Six, Mercedes car, Like each one of those are different, like are different conspiracy theories that he looked into. Yeah, oh geez, okay, All right, sure.
Speaker 2:So first one, henri Paul, who was the driver of the car. The French concluded that he was drunk at the time of the accident, Even though he looked and acted sober. They said that he was drunk at the time. Testing his blood alcohol level, he was three times over the legal limit, which is like, oh, interesting. But apparently Stevens, john Stevens, this guy heading the task force, met with Henri Paul's parents, like later on in life, and told that, to tell them that he actually wasn't drunk when he was driving, which is interesting.
Speaker 1:His parents told him that.
Speaker 2:No, he went to meet with his parents, kind of like, because this guy, henri Paul, was basically blamed for the accident.
Speaker 1:He was, he was blamed, so he was wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the, the whatever, involuntary I don't know what they called over there, but basically like involuntary manslaughter or whatever. So all of these proceedings went on and he was blamed for it along, I think, the paparazzi. There might have been some people from the paparazzi involved, but but so I think, and I think it was kind of, from what I understand, it was weighing on this guy, john Stevens, like, hey, you know, everyone thinks this guy was drunk but like this something you know it's. I don't know because, but they say that he did that, but he was. Everybody was saying that his demeanor was very sober. Everyone was like witnessing his this guy on on re's demeanor before leaving that he didn't look visibly intoxicated, like as much as the blood test would be.
Speaker 2:So there's been like some was this blood testing like fudge or whatever? You know there's all that kind of stuff, but so he doesn't buy it.
Speaker 1:So, sir john stevens, stevens he. So he had. What is these sixteen like? Narrowed down to sixteen possibilities, one of which being on repall, being drunk, or am I sick? He doesn't think he just did. He's just not think he was drunk, or he not think he wasn't.
Speaker 2:I just think he wasn't.
Speaker 1:He was just kind of saying like I don't think he was drunk or in pair sober than he was, if he was knowingly sober and still crash the car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it just seems like another thing of like oh well, you know another way for them to say, like oh well, he was drunk, that's why he crashed, just yeah.
Speaker 2:So this one's crazy to me, this one's pretty interesting. I don't know. I mean, that's not crazy. I'm not going to oversell it, it's not that crazy. So apparently, the carbon monoxide levels in the driver's blood measured like 21% of however they measure it, and they say it could have been as high as 40% of the time of the crash, which basically, when you're covering the level of carbon monoxide in your blood, is that point? You have vertigo, you're vomiting like you're not able to function, and the way that they explain that away is that authorities said that the level of carbon monoxide in his blood was due to inhaling gas from the airbags after the accident happened.
Speaker 1:Due to inhaling gas from the airbags after the accident happened. That is so like it's the French shits, the French investigation for it. I don't?
Speaker 2:I think that's more of a. Well, we'll just explain this away. I don't know. I mean, that just seems pretty. I mean they apparently he died instantly. So the argument is like well, if he died instantly, how could he have inhaled any gas from the airbags?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wouldn't be that his lungs could build up and say would have snapped the vertebrae, his neck would have been broken or something, some traumatic thing.
Speaker 2:The autopsy said he died immediately. So killed on impact means something. So their argument they had that argument also had an argument he was a smoker. He smoked some cigars before he went out and like that can affect your thing.
Speaker 1:but I said she man, just in your telling on it, I'm I'm gonna say on re did not do it. I don't think he was responsible. I think he was driving.
Speaker 2:I think he reacted Well I think the argument, the conspiracy here with the carbon monoxide is that there may have argument the conspiracy here with the carbon monoxide is that there may have been a sabotage to the vehicle that would have pumped carbon monoxide into the car, causing the driver and everyone inside to unknowingly lose consciousness, causing the accident.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see so be a chapter six of the report Mercedes car possibly interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I'm you know, I'm just saying I'm not saying, but I'm saying because someone had a kid at some time.
Speaker 1:Someone somewhere had a kid with someone. What royal family didn't want them to have like I guess I'm still unclear on the motivation for why they wanted to kill her just because they had somebody had a kid, who had a kid.
Speaker 2:Well, you said like, or I guess the tiki thing maybe it's the yeah, he well, I think it's the interview having too much information. They didn't want her, you know. They also didn't want to have her trouncing around all over town with a egyptian muslim man I don't think that would have been necessarily their choice of a replacement for Charles.
Speaker 2:There's also potential that there's also a rumor that they were going to be engaged and they were going to announce their engagement the following day. Princess Diana and Dodi were going to be engaged the next day, princess Diana and that Dodi were going to be in case the next day in.
Speaker 1:Paris. If you think the royal family is responsible, do you really think it was Charles? How high up the chain of command is going to land?
Speaker 2:It's the queen. She's the one who told him to get divorced. The queen did.
Speaker 1:She told him to get she also testing. If that's true, hey, he'll be testing. Hey, so you think this sweet little woman, yes on all.
Speaker 2:I think, she's got a lot. I think she had a lot of skeletons in that closet and Diana knew a couple of them.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying at the very even a bare minimum. She's probably feeling like no, everyone loves me, and I think Diana was maybe in the spotlight. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:if we know Elizabeth is ready, cut out for the modern I think, maybe, maybe there was some motivation of, like Charles, getting a new wife to replace her. So then, like you know, the more that he moves on and gets a new wife, maybe the general public would get more behind her as opposed to Diana.
Speaker 1:I guess I'm curious to know. I know like I would think, why didn't they like rule Charles out? Then, I'm sorry, we're kind of segwaying like why wouldn't they just be like dude, you're an embarrassment for the family, like your wife is like okay, you guys aren't happy, but like people love her, but like dude, we want to get rid of you. Well, because he's the blood. He's the blood, but there's been under what was it? King? Have you ever seen the King speech?
Speaker 1:No, a movie with well, like the guy I guess it was, whoever was after King George V I forget his name, but the oldest, he was like an alcoholic and he abdicated the throne, which could have been its own conspiracy. They might've said you know, we don't want you to be King, you're done, you're going to abdicate it. And then his younger brother ended up taking to became became the king. He was a care Forget, his name is king. During World War Two. Though they could, I'm surprised they why didn't they just make that like sounds like Charles was actually causing more of the problems than anything else?
Speaker 2:I'm sure this guy is mommy room. His mommy probably loved him to become the. Harry, Harry's not even his, according. To these conspiracy, not Harry.
Speaker 1:Harry's, not even his, according to these conspiracy way Now, because we are all is. Isn't Charles brother, wasn't he? Epstein wasn't Charles's brother.
Speaker 2:Prince they could have.
Speaker 1:Maybe they could have groomed him to be well.
Speaker 2:He was. He was hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, so maybe he wasn't the best choice either, so she ran out of options so he was probably sitting there with Albert.
Speaker 1:Oh no, who was her husband? Is it hal Albert, german guy? No, albert was married to Victoria. He was straight German.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just trying to think of who the prince was that was hanging out with.
Speaker 1:Epstein, it wasn't Edward, was it Philip Prince, philip, philip, yeah, so he was just as much of a bozo from the Queen's perspective. I'm thinking she's probably thinking like he's what has it got to take?
Speaker 2:We're going to kill Diana exactly, and the right of the ship. Let's get the. Let's get the. Let's get the. Let's get the focus off of us. Get this tragedy going on. Oh, everyone feels bad for us. We lost someone that we love and then we'll be able to go back to our normal nonsense. There's a possible. I could see their motivation. I don't know. Let's see what else is there seems like such a wanker who.
Speaker 1:Charles, charles, yeah, he's in the cozo even the queen could be like dude, I can't stand you like. I'm going to side with your, my daughter-in-law, on this one, because she just seems like people love her. But then maybe she was jealous, I don't know so let's see here what another one here is.
Speaker 2:Let's see, going back to the dirty fad relationship. There's like she was pregnant or you know they were saying that she might be pregnant or whatever. Apparently after, like they embalmed her body super early and they say Dodie's dad says that was to avoid the possibility of anyone actually proving that she was pregnant. The pregnancy was a big deal, big part of this conspiracy and what they said is the hospital. It was really hot that day and the hospital had to keep her body cold and it was so hot that the dry eyes and air conditioning couldn't keep up with it. And Prince Charles and her family were coming to see her, like to see her body before. They like whatever and they're like we can't let them see her like this. Let's embalm her now. And they embalmed her like super early and people say that that's a little fishy.
Speaker 1:Do they have to make her look good?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for when the they're like oh, they can't see her like this yeah how's she going to curtsy to them?
Speaker 1:Well, in this state, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2:Hmm Interesting lane.
Speaker 1:That's that's all cover up, dude under French law, though, paperwork must be completed. Yeah, we're undertaking the embalming of any corpse likely to be subject to a forced mortem and they didn't follow that maybe the French were getting their cut, dude hey, come on, I'm sure there was some hey Brits coming over here. We hate each other.
Speaker 2:Oh, you think the French were like rivals.
Speaker 1:Oh, you think the French are responsible, but I think they probably weren't going to play nice either, maybe. Oh yes, they did always hate bringing your problems over here, you know so there were.
Speaker 2:So there were 14 cameras between the hospital and the crash site. No footage of the crash was ever shown. No like, there's no footage of the vehicle driving. They say mostly this because the cameras were facing building entrances. But there was a traffic camera, like right at the bridge. But apparently the department closed at eleven pm and no like they don't record the footage from the cameras, so like they didn't have the footage convenient.
Speaker 1:You know, the french are always look out for their taxpayers.
Speaker 2:I guess it was like they're necessary tax dollars. I guess it was also like what they take off the whole month of August too right they?
Speaker 1:certainly do. That's for it.
Speaker 2:The city shuts down, so they're all coming back from vacation is like. I don't want to be here, I'm not going to pay attention to these cameras.
Speaker 2:So here's the one. That is crazy. No one knows exactly what happened inside the bridge I get the inside this tunnel. They don't know how they lost control or what caused them to lose control or anything like that. And there's evidence that there was a white.
Speaker 2:I don't know how they know it was a Fiat, but they say that a white Fiat had brushed up against the vehicle, leading to them to lose control.
Speaker 2:And there's a possibility that it's owned by this guy, journalist, john Paul James and Donson, and dancing some journalist, right, and a lot of people think, hey, maybe he was, he was behind this, he was a, he was at my six operative, you know this guy, jean Paul James and Donsonson, right, their defense for this not being the case and him not being there, it's not being his vehicle is because the car that he owned was quote unquote, not road the fiat.
Speaker 2:That because they he owned this, this specific fiat that they were looking for. I don't know if they had like video evidence like it brushed them and kept driving. So I don't know if they had video evidence of this Fiat leaving the tunnel and then they saw paint marks on the, on the Mercedes that had crashed, leading to them saying might have been involved, but apparently the car was not roadworthy because it was nine years old and had two hundred and two thousand miles on it. Now I don't know about you, but I've known of pretty vehicles way older and way more miles on it that could have at least caused a car accident in a tunnel in Paris.
Speaker 1:I this this twenty seven thousand miles per and I mean, this car is tiny dude. So what fiat uno? I would think also the mercedes they were in looks pretty like dense. I feel like if you're going to get bumped by this, thing ain't going to do.
Speaker 2:If you're going fast, though, it'll knock you. It'll knock you off course like a go cart. Well, am I six, I mean hey am.
Speaker 2:I too. Yeah, Well, they're not going to send a nice car to do this. So the thing that's interesting. So okay, so they ruled him out and it wasn't him. Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:But interestingly enough, I think, a couple years later he died from quote, unquote suicide. He died in a burnt out BMW. Apparently he had said he was going to kill himself by pouring gas in a car and lighting cigar. I guess, I don't know, he was dealing with his own issues, but this is what kind of blows my mind and I don't know. Hey, I'm no authority on autopsies or anatomy or anything like that, but apparently when he was found, his body was in the driver's seat of the car, but his head was detached and laid between the two front seats and then there was a hole in his left temple. But they're saying that he burned to death and that's how he died. Apparently, the guy doing the autopsy was like oh yeah, that hole in this temple that was caused by the fire, not a bullet wound. This temple that was caused by the fire, not a bullet wound. That's insane to me, right.
Speaker 1:I think this is the biggest conspiracy is what is the French investigator?
Speaker 2:services.
Speaker 1:That's the conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Well, I think they're just. They're stuck like hey, we got to cover this up, and like, hey, you know, oh yeah that, oh yeah. His head felt what if the whole world finds out we don't actually?
Speaker 1:work the whole month of August to cover this up and like, hey, you know, oh yeah that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, his head fell off. What if the whole world finds out we don't actually work the whole month of August? No, I'm saying they were behind the cover up.
Speaker 1:The French were yes. So you think the queen paid the French?
Speaker 2:I think the French. I'm thinking maybe the queen had some dirt on the French.
Speaker 1:Well, plenty of people up there on the French. They'm thinking maybe the Queen had some dirt on the French.
Speaker 2:Well, plenty of people have dirt on the French. They don't care. So his body he burned alive in a BMW, but his head fell off it landed in between the seats. He had a hole in his temple, but they said that that was just a melted. A perfect hole in his temple.
Speaker 1:And they did a blood work and he had like a high amount of light. Oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2:Don't lick the pain. That's not true, John. That's not just so. Just so our fans know that's not a true part of the story. There's another one, Interesting.
Speaker 1:This guy quote unquote died from suicide.
Speaker 2:It sounds to me like someone cut his head off. No, someone shot him in the head, cut his head off, put his head between his body and then lit the car on fire. Definitely not the other way around that. His car lit on fire, then his head fell off. Also, upgraded him from a Fiat Uno to a BMW, maybe making a statement.
Speaker 2:The guy was penny pinching for a long time, it seems and then, just all of a sudden, then there was another one bright flash. Apparently there was a bright flash reported at the entrance to the tunnel, which people say that it was a strobe light that tried to blind the driver before they walked in there. But that's pretty much. It didn't really affect anybody else, so probably not an actual thing, but it's a possibility. There was also this MI6 operative who spilled the beans. I think he actually went to jail for spilling secrets from the MI6, but anyway, one of the things that he said was that the bright light thing was actually a plan to kill a Serbian, some other foreign national.
Speaker 2:It's a plan that the MI6 had to assassinate Others was using that bright flash to in a tunnel, exactly like he said that MI six had that exact plan for some some foreign, yeah, some far in the tunnel.
Speaker 2:at the same time, not not that particular tunnel, but like years before that was one of their ways that they were going to try to assassinate. Somebody like the mi six had already looked into that as an option has been assassination, but apparently that wasn't true or whatever. But it's still funny to be interesting. You know, that'd be, that'd be an interesting way to do it. So like they're saying that they had like strobe lights. So like they, they got blinded and then lost control of the car. Right the seat belt one is pretty crazy too. Apparently Diana was an avid seat belt wearer. They say she wasn't wearing a seat belt in the car during the accident, which made people raise their eyebrows like hey, she was an avid seat belt where she would have been wearing her seat belt and could have maybe survived this crash.
Speaker 1:She was not wearing her seatbelt.
Speaker 2:Timing is interesting. I mean, I was thinking about it like was it maybe a way, you know, was this whole thing a ploy to get people to start wearing their seatbelts? Because if you think of, if you remember, like the whole wearing of seatbelts, so the whole wearing of seatbelt things in America didn't really get, didn't really get off the ground until like the early 2000s Click it or ticket, you know the whole the phrase in America that started in 1993 in North Carolina and then it really started taking off in like 2000 to 2002. So just the whole seatbelt awareness thing tying into this, I could see it maybe having a you know ulterior't tear mode of being like, hey, you might want to buckle up that seat, but you know what happened to Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed.
Speaker 1:She used to always wear it until that one time. She until the one time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, until until the one time yeah, and that's when they get conspiracy.
Speaker 2:And then the last thing that I had, the hospital transport that people say. They say that it took. It took them a long time to get diana out of the car into the, into the ambulance and to the hospital. They kind of delayed it. This is one that. So that's whatever it took. The emergency call was at 12 26. They got there at 12 30. She was out of the car at 1 am, got into the ambulance at one eighteen am and then I think she got to the hospital around twenty six minute drive to the hospital. So what's that? She got to the hospital around like quarter to two am, but the ambulance, so the ambulance passed by one. They didn't go to the closest hospital, they like drove right by the closest hospital, but and that's you know that could be. The other hospital that they went to was more equipped for trauma patients so August and August in France, and you know probably was close but, dude, this is one.
Speaker 2:So apparently the ambulance was driving slowly because the doctor was concerned that Diane, about Diana's blood pressure and the effects of acceleration and deceleration to the hospital because that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1:I mean I I've never will stop because she's bleeding to death.
Speaker 2:Let's just not go too fast because I guess that you know the stopping and going like gets the blood moving different parts of the body, sure that's the French science, so I guess, like you know, you do make a good point.
Speaker 2:You know I was looking, I've been looking at this whole thing as like wow, the, the English crown kind of had all these things set up to get to cover up the at what actually happened. Or you know, all these things happen and all this cover up or whatever. But maybe what you're really getting at is the French's incompetence to. You know, keep their, keep everything in line, yeah. But if you think about it, all these things are true, right. If think about it, all these things are true, right. If Henri Paul was not drunk and was carbon monoxide poisoned, if Diana was, if Diana was pregnant, if the camera footage was lost for whatever reason, if John Paul, james and Dawson was murdered because of his white Fiat, if the bright flash happened in the tunnel, if Diana was actually wearing a seat belt and if they took a long time to get her to the hospital because of that, I mean that's proof in the pudding that the crown was behind it.
Speaker 1:They did it, they did it. They've got all the resource. I just don't understand, I just don't, I feel like the day.
Speaker 2:Have I sold you on it? Have I sold you on it?
Speaker 1:Why her like the? Day was done, unless it was just a revenge killing. It seems like it was maybe more revenge clean even so, much beyond like, oh, they're going to have, even if they were pregnant and they didn't want to look bad. It's like she was divorced with the family at that point.
Speaker 2:She was still part of the royal. She was still princess.
Speaker 1:I think by name. That was just like you know when you call an aunt or uncle, you know, for just a term of endearment for someone you're not related to. She was a princess to the world, but she was not legally a member of the royal family anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just think it was so. I just think it was so I just if they were responsible, it would have been a revenge killing. I feel like all the stuff in the present would not have mattered as much like that.
Speaker 2:You think maybe it was the French, that he and her. Who do you think is a better chance of being responsible for? The French, the British crown, the paparazzi or the driver of the vehicle, the drunk driving, carbon monoxide French driver who was going like ninety miles an hour through a tunnel. Do you think he might have been the one responsible for? Or do you think it was the British crown or the French?
Speaker 1:I think the French were just being dopey. I think they were just wrong place. The French probably had their hand to their head, Like, oh no, don't think they should have just shut down the English Channel tunnel on August 1st and not dealt with it? Not have to deal with it? I don't know. I just think she really must have known something deeper than what even the interview said. Or infidelity in her marriage. She must have become privy to some.
Speaker 1:What for her to have got classified information that that if you were to learn, even in this country, you would have to kind of look where you watch out where you go and just be careful.
Speaker 2:It'd be tasteless to do but it would be kind of funny to do like a movie where you've had these stories, where there's all these different storylines coming on and they all merge together at one point. It would be kind of funny if, in a comedic way, to make all these things kind of come true, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like this guy with the white Fiat is taking his car out for one last spin 202,000 miles.
Speaker 2:Everyone just crazy on carbon monoxide All things, everything happens, it's like flashing lights white Fiat guys, it would be driving this guy driving a white. Fiat Sleepy Hollow style, with his head in his lap it's just like mine and then like there's something going on with the light flashing, that there's some like weird backstory behind that, like some guys doing some stupid just construction work just went awry. Yeah, he was doing on July 31st and then he just put his tools down and walked away and just watching for another month.
Speaker 1:Well, it's sad, it's sad.
Speaker 2:She's. No, it is sad. I don't. You don't want to joke around about it because like and like we're. This is all. This is all. I don't want to. I don't want to make our fans think that we're actually conspiracy theorists. I just I'm sure that what happened, what they say happened, actually happened. I want to make that clear. I just think it's fun to kind of trash the British crown a little bit and make and raise. There is a little bit of like oh wow, there were some interesting circumstances around it. That kind of makes it interesting, but not saying that that's the case. I want to make that clear. We're not a conspiracy theory podcast.
Speaker 1:We're a history podcast which we just nailed this. We brought it right back. We're back in business. We left the bridge of spies behind and we moved down to the tunnel of love.
Speaker 2:but yeah, like envisioning that little fiat car so small and it was like no header. They're all hopped up on carbon monoxide. I was like it could have been like smoke. They could have been like smoking cigars, like in the in the vehicle, to like Princess Diana, like smoking a fat stogie. She could have.
Speaker 1:It is france here it's france of her dude. They loved her. Who her? Who else? Who other, who else do you think matches her celebrity?
Speaker 2:she was up there. I mean, I was so young, I don't know. Certainly none of the, none of the princesses now.
Speaker 1:Kate middleton definitely not be like look cool, maybe from like a third just outside, like maybe she did it in a, maybe from like a third just looking on the outside. Maybe she did it. In a way it's like there's this young, attractive, beautiful woman, representative of but you know, there's no life in paradise. I think people appreciate it. It was like, oh, like her marriage is on the rocks too and she's this beautiful princess and wow, like it. Kind of just I think that alone probably just made her more, even though she was nobility herself from the beginning. I think it was just like, oh, wow, she seems still pretty real. Yeah, there's like pictures of her, videos of her, like going to the gym wearing, like you know nineties, like gym gear. I think like she just presented an image to people that was a little more approachable approachable, reach out and touch her although she only painted billionaires.
Speaker 2:Well, she's gonna have that taste now, if she wanted, if she dated somebody like me, I may be on your side about that pack of me, so you take around a little fiat uno trade up or trade down? And if they'd be trade up or trade? Down boy no, yeah, two thousand months I think for me March is good.
Speaker 1:It doesn't go beyond. She was just too cool for too cool for that school.
Speaker 2:She definitely probably didn't fit it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like too good looking, I think she's too good looking for all of them. Yes, queen Elizabeth wasn't ugly when she was a young woman? She, you know, she was a nice looking old lady too, but like what? When she was a young woman? She, you know, she was a nice looking old lady too, but like what, ew dude?
Speaker 2:You're gross dude. No, she just looked like a grandma.
Speaker 1:She just looked like a normal Ew 90 year old lady.
Speaker 2:Okay, monster man. No, lady, she was hot, you just know, as a young woman she was a track, she was fine but I don't know if I ever saw her as a young woman.
Speaker 1:She's on the money. She's on some of my money I've had to spend in my days. Um no, I just diana, was just out of all of their league. That's a good point, actually, she's just like that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's a shame what happened. She's so young, you know, you know our age?
Speaker 1:I think she was our age. I'm like that's crazy, yeah, and all that she had to deal with up until then.
Speaker 2:All right, fan, I hope you enjoyed. You know getting into the nitty-gritty of some conspiracies surrounding the higher ranks of the British crown.
Speaker 1:I will say that a fox ran out into the road and our boy, henri, swerved, did his best he could. You think that's what happened. That's what I'm sticking with. Is that All the facts?
Speaker 2:Is that? What I'm saying Is that you're just making that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's what I'm going to go with. That's what's going to help me sleep at night.
Speaker 2:Now, what do you think of all of the conspiracies that I talked about? What would you say is the most believable?
Speaker 1:Or certainly not that a Fiat Uno can get two hundred and two thousand miles. Really, yeah, I'm skeptical in that one, or what's the most like, maybe not what's most believable. What's the most?
Speaker 2:skeptical in that one, or what's the most like, maybe not what's most believable, what's the most skeptical piece of evidence or what's the most like makes you, makes you the most spec, the most questioning? Yeah, but how could that be? Yeah, like how, which one kind of throws off the. It sounds like there's a little bit more something going on of all of all that I talked about.
Speaker 2:See, yeah, I mean, because if you do, I mean, if you do your seat, that's a good point, because if you wear like I can't not wear a seat belt in a car- I wear it all the time it's automatic.
Speaker 2:I would not. I wouldn't feel comfortable like I've. Very rarely, you know, because I work in construction. So I'm getting in and out of my truck and even if I'm going from like one part of the site, the other, I just throw it on. Sometimes I won't, and it obviously beeps at me when you go over a certain speed. But even when I'm going slower it just doesn't feel right. So for her not to have been wearing the seat belt, for me it's the head falling off of the guy who burned alive. That makes no sense to me. So there's something more going on with that.
Speaker 1:The same fixer in both examples. I mean, the guy came in after the crash, unclipped her seatbelt and then ran and then went to the fiat guy's house with the aunt on to since house the carbon monoxide thing is kind of interesting to. I don't know enough about I.
Speaker 2:I mean you could definitely pipe consume. Yeah, you could definitely pipe carbon monoxide into a oh, it happened with trucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's with. Certainly you can do that. So these did that's the nazis did before the camps yeah, the mobile, the mobile gas chambers, basically so, yeah, camps, yeah the mobile, the mobile gas chambers, basically. So, oh, someone had a break like fit with the lines in the car. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm not a mechanic, though but at the end of the day, there was a high speed. There was a high speed. Paparazzi was chasing them, some white fiat brushed the side of them and they lost control and hit a hit a column. John, do you want to? Do you want to sing? Do you want to sing? Candle in the wind. Real quick, a little piece of candle in the wind for the fans to send off sure which version the princess Diana version. Okay.
Speaker 1:Which version? The Princess Diana version. Okay, do you have it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, where are we starting From the top? Yeah, we'll start from the top. Okay, ready, three, two, one. Goodbye England, rose. No, you're writing the wrong one.
Speaker 1:Just put in 097 lyrics. Alright, okay, 3, 2 1.
Speaker 2:Goodbye, england's rose. May you ever grow in our hearts. You were the grace that placed itself where lies were torn apart you called out to our country and you whisper to those in pain. Now you belong to heaven and the stars spell out your name. And it seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind, never fading with the sunset when the rain set in, and your footsteps will always fall here, among England's greenest hills your candle burned out long before your legend ever will Alright that's probably goodbye, princess.
Speaker 1:Formerly your royal highness.
Speaker 2:Yes, alright, fans. Hope you enjoyed it. John, you got anything to leave him with, or? Yes, stay curious for what our next episode will be yes and make sure you make sure to like, subscribe and and send us any notes or anything send us to text. Message you just an email at nailing history pot at gmailcom. You can always hit us up on X, formerly known as Twitter, at nailing history. That's all I got. This is Matt and John up on X, formerly known as Twitter, at nailing history. That's all I got. This is.
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Speaker 2:John signing off. Have a good weekend, guys.
Speaker 1:See you guys and we say bye, bye.