Nailing History
Introducing "Nailing History," the podcast where two friends attempt to nail down historical facts like they're trying to assemble IKEA furniture without the manual. Join Matt and Jon (or Jon and Matt) as they stumble through the annals of time, armed with Wikipedia, Chat GPT, and a sense of reckless abandon.
In each episode, Matt and Jon pick a historical event that tickles their curiosity (and occasionally their funny bone) and dissect it like a frog in biology class—except they're the frogs, and they have no idea what they're doing. From ancient civilizations to modern mishaps, they cover it all with the finesse of a bull in a china shop.
But wait, there's more! In between butchering historical names and dates, Matt and Jon take a break to explore the intersection of history and pop culture. Ever wondered if Cleopatra would have been a TikTok sensation? Yeah, neither have they, but that won't stop them from imagining it in excruciating detail.
So grab your popcorn and prepare to laugh, cringe, and possibly learn something (though don't hold your breath). With Matt and Jon leading the charge, "Nailing History" is the only podcast where you're guaranteed to leave scratching your head and questioning everything you thought you knew about the past. After all, who needs a PhD when you've got two clueless buddies and a microphone?
Nailing History
126 Columbus, Halloween, and Fan Mail
Does Christopher Columbus have a secret Spanish Jewish identity? Join us for a thought-provoking discussion as we challenge a long-held belief about Columbus's heritage and delve into the historical context of Sephardic Jews in 1492 Spain. We unpack the cultural and historical significance of Columbus Day, juxtaposing it with Indigenous Peoples' Day and questioning who truly deserves celebration. Along the way, we humorously consider other Italian-American icons like Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra as alternative representatives of Italian-American pride.
As we embrace the spooky season, fan favorite Emily M. joins us to spice things up with a lively chat about Halloween costumes inspired by historical figures. Will you dress up as Princess Diana or perhaps take a cue from Sidney Simpson's dance recital? Our exchange is filled with laughs and nostalgia as we reminisce about past costume choices and the awkward transition from childhood to adult Halloween celebrations. Emily's playful energy and insightful feedback remind us of the importance of including more women in our historical narratives.
And, in a delightful twist, we engage in light-hearted banter with our fans, exploring the curious world of Koshusko mustard and sharing our costume mishaps from college days. With a nod to the humorous side of history, we wrap up by encouraging thoughtful costume selections and sharing laughs over the idea of adults trick-or-treating amidst today's doorbell cameras. Tune in for camaraderie, historical insights, and maybe even some Halloween costume inspiration!
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Speaker 3:And welcome back to another episode of nailing history. I'm your host, one of the hosts, matt. I'm here with john, the other host of the podcast.
Speaker 1:How's it going, john? Going good, it's getting spooky around here, a little spooky. It's a little bit darker, a little bit early. I'm counting down the minutes, the hours, the daylight savings time. Are they doing that this year into it?
Speaker 3:I thought that I thought that got like canceled of daylight saving. No, definitely not. Where'd you? Hear that um the sunshine protection act, which would make daylight savings time permanent, stalled in the house of representatives in 2022 and has not been brought to the floor for a vote in 2023. With the current Congress ending in January 2025, it's unlikely to pass. Before that, the sunshine protection act might cancel or might make daylight saving permanent, which what would that mean? We're going into it right, are we? No, I think the summer's daylight saving, isn't it?
Speaker 1:daylight savings time 2024. Oh, you're right. Yeah, march until november is daylight savings so we wouldn't be going back.
Speaker 3:Well, I'll tell you what. Thank god, thank goodness, we are, because I haven't changed my clocks back in my car from uh, the last time, from spring, so I'm still an hour behind on there. So it's all going to right the ship in a couple, in a week, here, I guess so is it safe to say that you would vote down the protect the sun act?
Speaker 3:sunshine act yes, I've seen it well, speaking of historical things, john, I've I guess we got to circle back to, we've ran into you got a little bit of some bad news as far as your um family's culture um a couple weeks ago, and I know we're a little late to bring it up on the podcast, but do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1:I have an inkling.
Speaker 3:There's a bit of shocking revelation that was released through, possibly, the BBC, not really sure the source but turns out your boy, christopher Columbus, may not have been Italian after all, all this time been claimed by the Italian citizens of this country that they were the ones who were responsible for founding the country. They were the ones who were responsible for founding the country, and it all got ripped away from them in the year 2024, when news finally broke that he most likely was of Spanish Jewish heritage a Sephardic Jewish right.
Speaker 3:I don't know. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:it's a certain sect of judaism that were based primarily in spain until they all got kicked out in 1492 seems like it adds up the same year he came over. It seems like it adds up almost like he was like hey, yeah, I'll work for you, ferdinand isabella, sure I'll go find China for you. Sure, I'll go back door, I'll find our way, I'll find it, sure.
Speaker 3:I mean, it just makes me really wonder what.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, then all of his other people. I guess you know if the facts are the facts, if he really, if he was Jewish himself maybe he was just getting out of Dodge. He saw the writing on the wall. I think they're all booted out to Greece. I think the Spanish king and queen booted them all to Greece well it's weird the whole situation.
Speaker 3:Who claims Christopher Columbus is like kind of a weird like who doesn't claim it?
Speaker 3:seems like. It seems like it's just strange, because it seems like, um, like in the late 1800s there were all these immigrants in america and they were all being persecuted or all wanting to be like the dominant immigrant group of the united states and they were kind of using that. They were that that christopher columbus was like part of their. They were the reason that it was founded to make them be the most prominent immigrant group. It seemed to be like kind of the case back then and the Italians kind of won out.
Speaker 1:Kind of weird. It's just people, a proud heritage, and I mean, you know he's the Western, he's the Western European that founded, you know, the Western Hemisphere. I just think it's a claim that people want to.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know about that. We have a loyal listener who wanted me to make sure I brought up that Leif Erikson beat him by like 400 years or something like that. That's true. So he didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't know the Vikings were hanging around, so he didn't.
Speaker 3:The Vikings were hanging around. So he didn't. He also only hung out in the Caribbean. I mean, I just don't get it. Leif Erikson is a cooler name. So we talk about Tadous Kishchusko and how he wasn't as prominent because of his name. I mean, Christopher Columbus, you have the alliteration, but like Leif, that's a sweet name.
Speaker 1:Leif Garrett yeah, pretty sweet.
Speaker 3:Sure, but I mean I read something. It was funny. I was looking into it. I was just kind of looking into the facts of Columbus and there was this one quote that was like kind of like, why do Italians pick him or claim him, or whatever? He set sail under the Spanish flag, using Spanish ships, using Spanish money and claiming land for Spain. Are we noticing a pattern here? Spain, Spanish. Do you notice which country is missing here? Italy or any other country that is not Spain. Regardless, Italians have laid claim on Columbus, celebrating him after they denied him. Talk about jumping on the bandwagon.
Speaker 1:If we want to really split hairs. I think he wasn't Italian. He would have been Genovese at the most, because Italy was not a unified state until the 1860s. That's a whole other point.
Speaker 3:That's a whole great point. It seems like it was the Italian immigrants really pushing for it, which is fine. I'm not saying anything, it doesn't matter, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's actually strange because I think even probably back in Italy, maybe the grandchildren or the great-grandchildren of that first generation of immigrants, because a lot of them came from southern italy, which, before the unification of italy, southern italy was its own kingdom and it in genoa. They're like two different countries, they were totally different, and so I don't even think that one people that came over here even knew probably that much about him. I would say he probably wasn't taught in classes in Italy at that time. Yeah, I just think people, italian-americans, it's kind of become its own subculture and I think it's just a good way to.
Speaker 3:I mean it's cool, I get it. It reminds me of people in Philadelphia kind of claim like, oh, the country was born here or you know, freedom was born in philadelphia. It's kind of a cool thing to feather, to feather, to put in your cap. If I could quote one emperor norton from a couple episodes ago um, so, I get it, but that, but like it, just, you know, it's funny. Well, to me there's all this controversy now surrounding the columbus day, and do we celebrate it, the Columbus Day? And do we celebrate it as Columbus Day? Do we celebrate it as Indigenous Persons Day? And I just don't really. First of all, let me be clear with you. This is one of the holidays that I feel like I could do without. Just in general, I think we have too many holidays in this country. It's a banker's holiday, as I like to call them, where some people have off, some people don't. I don. It's a banker's holiday, as I like to call them, where some people have off, some people don't.
Speaker 3:It doesn't really make much sense I didn't have off Stock market's closed, I believe on Columbus Day.
Speaker 1:I want to say it is. I work for an Italian company now and we didn't get the day off, so obviously they don't love him that much. What?
Speaker 3:did they think about him? Well, now they really must be.
Speaker 1:Their heads must be spinning well yeah, it's been swept under the rug, has it been like?
Speaker 3:there been like a somber mood in the office kind of about the whole situation, because first they were calling him like a genocide maniac, and now they're even. Not only are they doing that, but then they're ripping his legacy out of the because I think you were very proud of. Weren't there? Isn't there like somewhat of a saying for an italian culture saying we found it, we fed we. What is it? What is it?
Speaker 1:we discovered it, we named it, we built it the italian sons and daughters of america. From an article in 2021, oh boy. Well, nine words are all it takes to capture italian's indelible contributions to america I'd be a little piffed if I were the uh spanish well, the spanish, I don't think, had a very big diaspora 200 years, 300, 400 years after the man made this voyage.
Speaker 1:So, you know, as I say, if you're not, I think, if you're not, you got to be in the game to. You know, to call the shots and I don't think enough. Spanish came over here, well, in the 1800s. Well, well.
Speaker 3:So then I was thinking I it was. I'm kind of thinking like, well, why do we celebrate Columbus Day? What's the big deal? I mean, he didn't land in America, he wasn't looking for America, he didn't know he found America. Guy was kind of like. I mean he just like, did he ever learn it by the time he died? Did he know that he discovered another country or did he think he was walking around India?
Speaker 2:So what are we?
Speaker 3:celebrating here, what are we celebrating here? This is nonsense. So anyway, I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. Thinking about it a couple weeks ago, this is coming in. I'm just like this is just weird. And then I found out that the holiday was actually started to like to support italian, like italian immigrants from prosecution and as a as an apology for a big lynching that happened down in New Orleans in 1892. So, 400 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, united States President Benjamin Harrison instituted Columbus Day as a one-time holiday to celebrate Italian-American contributions to society, partly as an apology following the lynching of 11 Italian immigrants in New Orleans. Then, decades later, in 1934, president Franklin Delano Roosevelt rendered Columbus Day a federal holiday. There you go, nothing like spending the federal money.
Speaker 1:And again, those immigrants that were down in New Orleans were Sicilians, almost exclusively Sicilians at that point, and I guess maybe Benjamin Harrison showing his ignorance of geography.
Speaker 3:Well, it seems like the Italians in general were behind it, so why not just get on their side? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But Northern Italians, if you just look at the immigration waves Northern Italians, including Genoa, where Columbus would have been from, or where he represented, he was Spanish.
Speaker 3:Face the facts.
Speaker 1:If he was Italian, he was Northern Italian, he wasn't even Southern Italian. They still look down their nose at the South. But the South? Maybe they're not so smart, I don't know. But a better question who's America named after Another Italian Great America, vespucci?
Speaker 3:So what about him? I don't know what about him. Why don't we celebrate America Day?
Speaker 1:Maybe we should be celebrating America Vespucci instead.
Speaker 3:I think we should be celebrating Leif Erikson that name's awesome.
Speaker 1:It's a good name. That was like Erikson.
Speaker 3:I know he landed in like New Finland or whatever. So yeah, I guess it wouldn't be that. But Columbus landed in the Caribbean. I don't understand it. It makes no sense. He didn't even land on mainland, did he? Did he ever come up to the mainland, to the continental United States?
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 3:It really chaps, my, there's been all this fighting about if we should celebrate Christopher Columbus, blah, blah, blah. I feel like maybe somebody should just come out and say listen, the whole holiday is just for Italian-American heritage appreciation, so why don't we just call it for what it is? Why name it something that's super controversial, when that's not even really the basis of the holiday? I don't know. And how come no one talks about this man I'm bringing up?
Speaker 1:You're saying that Columbus Day they should come back to just the fact that it is an Italian-American holiday and that's why it was created in the first place, rather than for all Americans has anybody said that ever.
Speaker 3:Have you ever heard that before? There's all this argument about like why do we celebrate Christmas or Columbus? He was a bad person who you know enslaved people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right, but it's like. Maybe the real thing is like why do we even celebrate it? We celebrate it to to acknowledge the Italian, the Italian Americans, contribution to society, which is but then that doesn't hold, I guess that doesn't hold enough weight to allow the bankers and the government to be off on a Monday in October.
Speaker 3:So once you start talking about that, everyone's going to be like, well then, why do we have off? And then they're going to say, oh shoot, we got to be quiet about it.
Speaker 1:So maybe there's a little conspiracy there about people who just don't want to work.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so maybe there's a little conspiracy there about people who just don't want to work. Yeah, I mean, in reality, if you knew that it was just to celebrate italian american heritage I mean we have a million days like that, but yeah, you know, I thought that was uh. Oh, that was just kind of interesting to talk about. I know john was a little upset about it when he when he learned about that. But leave, erickson is pretty cool. Like his name, his last name is because his, he was the son of eric the great, I think, or eric the something, and that's cool. Like when people's names used to be like who your dad, your last name was like the son of whoever you were. So, like my dad's name is tim, so my, my name would be Matt Timson. That's a cool name, because it doesn't work Timothy Son Timson.
Speaker 1:Matt Timson. That'd be interesting, it could be cool, it would be mine.
Speaker 3:What was your dad's?
Speaker 1:name.
Speaker 3:John Peter, john Peterson. Oh, there you go. Lame like I think you maybe like related to Scott I don't know. Maybe Peterson of murder fame was he's Peterson, or Peter men, scott Peterson and Lacey Peterson. Yeah, maybe his dad's name is Peter.
Speaker 1:It's possible, but I don't care that much about Christopher Columbus Day. I guess growing up it was fun that we had the day off too. I don't think we did.
Speaker 3:I don't think we did, did we Also? You know what else I learned? The Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria weren't the actual names of the ships that they sailed on. Well, the Santa Maria was actually the name, but the Pinta is like Spanish for prostitute. That's what the sailors nicknamed it.
Speaker 1:And it just stuck. Yeah, you know those sailors, dirty old men.
Speaker 3:It's just that stuck. It's just funny to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think there's other people that are probably more even in the age of discovery, that are probably were more worth celebrating, like ferdinand, magellan dude, like circumnavigated the world. I just think there's even from an explorer standpoint, there's probably like more.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, it's cooler yeah, I mean, I guess whatever if you gotta get a federal holiday, but I don't know, whatever. I mean he landed well, whatever. Christopher Columbus, we speak thy name, although it might not have actually been his real name what was it?
Speaker 1:Christopher Weisenstein?
Speaker 3:Christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 2:Christopher Green, christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 3:Christopher Green. Oh man, no, it was either Cristoforo Colombo, cristobal Colon Cologne, even X-P-O-U-A-L. De Cologne, however you pronounce that X-P-O-U-A-L. I don't know. I don't know, but anyway, just wanted to get that out there because I was just doing some thinking and I'm like, whatever I mean, it doesn't really matter, but there is some. I just think they should come out and just call it what it is and say what we're actually celebrating when we talk about.
Speaker 1:Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 3:It's an Italian-American holiday. It was literally never meant to celebrate the man Christopher Columbus never meant to celebrate the man Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 1:It was to give a nod to the Italian Americans who felt threatened and attacked.
Speaker 3:They should just call it an Italian American Day, or something cooler than that. Who would have been a better figure to use for to celebrate Italian citizenship? I guess that's pretty much all that. It would be Joe DiMaggio figure to use for to celebrate Italian citizenship. I guess that's pretty much all that it would be.
Speaker 1:Joe DiMaggio at least he is American. Like he played an American game, a sport is Joe DiMaggio day. Like Italian Americans can be proud that they got a day and he's a great baseball player that, like, everyone loved and everyone like knows, didn't he like beat up Marilyn Monroe, did he?
Speaker 3:I think so.
Speaker 1:So not everybody loves him are you sure nothing of Jake Lamotta.
Speaker 3:I don't think so, anybody else.
Speaker 1:Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 3:Frank Sinatra was also abusive, I believe, but people do love him good, call frank sinatra day, that's not bad. What about garibaldi day?
Speaker 1:giuseppe, I mean didn't. He was in america at one point.
Speaker 3:He was kind of like, isn't garibaldi kind of like the guy who's like the founding father of modern day italy?
Speaker 1:oh, he was part of the unification, for sure he was a bit of a rock star in his time but it'd be like a george washington, like it'd be like before the unification he was up in Staten Island for a few months.
Speaker 3:I think that would be a good answer. I would say Just change it to Gary Baldy Day. Is there anything negative about him?
Speaker 1:he was kind of a dictator. He kind of was a little out for himself, aren't they all? Then he kind of tried to act a little bit like Washington and kind of giving up power. But his biggest thing was just unifying Italy and he didn't really care how he did it or how who was unifying it. He kind of sold himself out Like he was, or or maybe a republican, but then he realized that wasn't going anywhere. So he joined the monarchy. All right north, because nailing history solved.
Speaker 3:it changed columbus day to garibaldi day case closed proof in the pudding. You can go and tell that. So anyway, it's Halloween. This episode is going to get released on Halloween, so I wanted to just talk about Halloween a little bit, get back to some of the questions that we had. Let me get to this.
Speaker 3:We had some fans A couple of weeks ago. If you guys remember, I did an episode on Emperor Norton and the basis for talking about him was that I thought he would maybe be a good Halloween costume to be. If you wanted to impress some people at work or at school or anything to our fans, if you could dress up as anybody in the Nailing History universe, as far as where we like people that we've talked to like, who would you want to dress up as? And we got two responses. First response I'll just read them out loud. First response I'll just read them out loud. First response was I'd probably dress up like Sidney Simpson in a dance recital costume, or Princess Diana what other women have you talked about? So that was a good. So that was a good.
Speaker 3:Sidney Simpson, if you remember, is the daughter of OJ Simpson and the night of the alleged murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Sidney Simpson was performing in a dance recital, correct? Yes, that's correct. So that's where that comes from. That was good, it's a good one. Princess Diana would be good. Another one would be pretty good would be the fiat, the white fiat. That would be a good costume. You see the car with the head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just like the guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah whatever that guy's name who, like his head, fell off, like have some guy in a Fiat burned alive with his head full, that'd be a good costume. That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 1:What outfit would you be if you were wearing Princess Di? If you were dressed as Paris, I mean, she had a lot of looks.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Let's see. I think I might have known who this was. So let's see if we can get this person on the call, because we do have a little bit more to talk about here.
Speaker 2:I want to see if Yo what's up.
Speaker 3:Hey, Emily M. This is Matt and John with Nailing History. We have you on the podcast here. How's it going?
Speaker 2:Hey, it's going good. I'm on my way to my hip hop class.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, okay, good, well, this is actually perfect timing. Okay, we are going through our fan mail. We're talking a little bit about Halloween, we're recording our Halloween episode here and we got some fan mail that I think may have been from you. I'd probably dress up like, when asked who you would dress up as in the Nailing History universe, I'd probably dress up like Sidney Simpson in a dantricidal costume or Princess Diana. So we wondered how Sidney Simpson is a good answer. We kind of got to that. But we were just kind of wondering if you were to dress as Princess Diana, how would you dress as her? Would you wear the revenge dress, as they call it? What's that?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think. I think I know one of her like.
Speaker 1:Would you dress up as the Princess Diana? Beanie Baby.
Speaker 3:Oh, or would you dress up like the Princess Diana? Beanie Baby.
Speaker 2:Well, I do own that, so that would be helpful. No, I think I'd dress in one of her like iconic 90s fashion, like leisure fashion. She's like an iconic sweatshirt.
Speaker 3:Like a Disney sweatshirt, didn't she meet? I think it said the Eagles on it. Oh the Eagles, there you go, the Eagles sweatshirt when she came to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3:Good answer.
Speaker 2:High top sneakers and crunchy socks.
Speaker 3:That would be pretty good. That'd be a good costume. That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 2:You left off the last part of my fan mail.
Speaker 3:I was going to get to that. I didn't know if you had time, but we can touch that a little bit. Her last part, which I did talk about on the podcast, was what other women have you talked about? I don't know what you were necessarily trying to get at as in, we don't talk about women enough on the podcast, or were you just asking? Well, I just meant that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think you talk about history from very long ago, so then there's not really very many women included.
Speaker 3:Well, we talked about Helen Keller being a communist. Maybe being a communist. If you remember our real original long-time listeners may remember we did an entire episode dedicated to the women of the American Revolution.
Speaker 2:Oh, did they get cards?
Speaker 3:We assigned them queens.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:That was Abigail Adams. I have my Abigail Adams, deborah Sampson, molly Pitcher and the fourth one is Mercy Otis Warren and Mercy Otis Warren and Mercy Otis Warren. There were four other women that we talked about the history of the American Revolution. But you do make a good point. But just for anyone, those are all very good costumes to do, but I do like your Princess Diana in the Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia Eagles sweatshirt.
Speaker 2:Well, as a long-awaited dance class. I'm dressed up like a black cat, which.
Speaker 3:I guess kind of goes with the sale. Oh shoot, it's a shame you didn't dress up like Princess Diana, that would have been good.
Speaker 2:I know I don't have that sweatshirt. Maybe they have it at John's Supply in downtown Westchester. Just really saw this retro thing.
Speaker 3:Well, you have a couple more days to prepare.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, thanks for checking in. I appreciate the personal response to my fan mail.
Speaker 3:You know that's what we'll do. That's what we promise with our fan mail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, I hope now your listeners and fans will send you more fan mail so they can hear the personalized response they'll get. Yeah, that was the plan responsible guests.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was the plan, good, all right. All right, emily M, we'll enjoy your dance recital or dance class, unless you're dressed like Sidney Brown right now, sidney. Simpson, sidney Simpson. What did I say? Sidney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 1:Sydney Simpson, sydney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 2:I don't know, is she dressed up with cat ears?
Speaker 3:that's what I have on my head right now I'm not sure you're the pro. You're the OJ Simpson expert that's true. I don't think she was wearing a black hat costume, so it's true well, you know what, bring it up in class and see what they think. Hey, when you're practicing your dance or something, be like hey, what do you guys think Sidney Simpson wore the night that her dad killed his mom Her mom.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that'll come up organically. I'll wiggle it in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just thinking, isn't that funny yeah.
Speaker 2:Just thinking about it. I'm trying to get a Halloween costume. I like it.
Speaker 3:I'll do it All, right, emily M.
Speaker 2:Well, enjoy your class. All right, thanks See ya.
Speaker 1:Have fun See ya, see ya, emily M. Thanks Bye.
Speaker 3:It leads me to my next point Thinking about it be a little tough to do Cindy Brown Simpson, considering it might involve a little bit of blackface with the Halloween costume. And then I was thinking about this this morning going through like old or Halloween. I'm not a huge fan of Halloween, which I kind of alluded to in my when we talked about Emperor Norton. I just don't like Halloween. I was never good at thinking of costumes and I there's so much pressure to be clever or funny and I'm not really either of those when it comes to costumes or anything like that. And I was just thinking there were two separate instances in my Halloween costume era where I would bring up Halloween costumes where I did do blackface so like hopefully pre 2012.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'd be fine, probably get away with it well, I don't know.
Speaker 3:So the first instance of it was in 2000, and I don't know what year it was. I was probably in like 5th or 6th grade, so probably like early 2000s, 2000, 2001. And I went as Jamaican. I wanted to be like a Jamaican, like a Rastafari guy I don't know who had it but I had already had the weird hat with the dreadlocks sewn into it Not the weird hat, but the funny hat with the dreadlocks. So I was like, oh, I'll be easy. And so I went with my dad to the mall and I bought a tie-dye t-shirt and I was going to a tie-dyed t-shirt, jeans, and like, have that on and just be jamaican. Um, and I remember my dad. I was like my dad went out to get me like the makeup to wear for being jamaican, like the, the color to paint my skin, and he came back with some really, really dark paint. And I remember thinking and kind of not freaking out, but just being like they're not Jamaicans aren't that dark, which is not true at all. I'm like Jamaicans are more tan, they're not dark.
Speaker 3:I had no idea of what I was being. I had no idea of the Jamaican culture. It's probably the only thing you thought you were being Hispanic? Well, probably the only thing. You thought you were being Hispanic? Well, probably the only thing. The Jamaicans are more the only thing. Bob Marley is a lighter-skinned Jamaican, but I think he's like, I think he's only part Jamaican. I'm not really sure. Don't quote me on that, I mean.
Speaker 3:So my only picture of a Jamaican was Bob Marley, so I'm like Bob Marley's, not that. My dad bought me dark brown, so then I was going to a party with that costume and I freaked out and finally he went out and we got a lighter brown. So it was probably a little bit less offensive, but then a little bit more of an issue in college, freshman year of college, and again I'm not clever, so I've ripped this idea off of somebody else that I know, family member maybe. I don't want to dime anybody out, but when he was a couple years older than me and when he was in college I saw a couple pictures of him. He went, as a slang term for being intoxicated, s-faced. Do you know where I'm getting at, john?
Speaker 1:Yeah, s-faced.
Speaker 3:So all he did was painted his face brown and walked around and was like, oh, I'm S-faced and I thought that was funny. So my freshman year which would have been 2006, I did the same thing and I walked around with really dark, brown face, basically black face. There's no way around it. If you saw a picture of this, there's no way. I don't know if the picture exists. I'm sure pictures exist. It was on Facebook at one point.
Speaker 3:I don't have Facebook anymore, but people who had pictures of me I know I was on Facebook with that, but I did To make it clear that I wasn't going as blackface. I did write S-faced on a white t-shirt in black marker so that people would know that that's what. So I was at least conscious that I was probably doing something that I shouldn't have been doing, but I did it anyway and really it's kind of bad to think about. But that's a perfect situation of where, if somebody saw that and it was out of context if for some reason in the future this podcast hits big and I'm just saying this out loud, so at least I'm covering for myself ahead of time If somebody was to see me like that, that would look bad and I don't know if it's necessarily a bit now. Was it bad? I was being not blackface, but it looks like it, the real gray area.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you're a little more. You're probably a little more, uh, sensitive to the fact, just by putting that on your chest, like by writing, that then justin trudeau was, and he's still, the prime minister of.
Speaker 3:Canada. That's true. I think someone gave me some real like dude, you look like you're doing blackface. Like it was a fit like black fit. Like when I did the Jamaican thing when we were younger like I don't even know if there was any conscious, especially at our age there was no blackface being a thing, so like there was no thought of it. But by the time we were 18, 2006, I mean I know people were like dude, you look like you're. I walked around town like that for twice. I think I did it. I think I did it for two separate nights. Good thing, hey, I could have gotten my. I could have gotten beat up pretty bad on that one, but I didn't, so that was good. I don't know what's your favorite Halloween costume?
Speaker 1:I was similar. I mean, I never really could come up with anything too good. I dressed like Pinocchio once, but I actually don't know if that was for Halloween. I was going to a tea-themed party and I had to dress to someone beginning with the letter P. I bought a pair of really tight red pants in the women's section. They were skin tight Red suspenders, a little long nose thing. It wasn't over the top excessive long Pinocchio nose, but you can kind of tell what I was going for the hat and then a yellow polo. How old were you?
Speaker 2:then I was pretty good 25, six Okay.
Speaker 3:What about when you were a kid? How, how late, how long do you remember, Like when you stopped going trick or treating?
Speaker 1:like how old you were. I don't know, maybe like 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So each year, right, you just wanted to stay out later. You kind of didn't want to go at like six when all the kids were out. You kind of you wanted to use it as an excuse to like hang around town at night like school night and uh, yeah. But I think eventually I just kind of grew out of it. Yeah, do you remember what your last do?
Speaker 3:you remember what your last Halloween costume was. I feel like your last Halloween costume is either going to be like the worst one put together that was barely a costume or it's going to be like a pretty funny, like most relatable thing now, because when you're 12 or 13, like what you dressed up as.
Speaker 1:I know I was the Riddler one year from Batman forever but I don't think that was my last Halloween.
Speaker 3:That's pretty good, like purchased costume or yeah.
Speaker 1:Purchase costume with the cane and everything that's cool. That's cool. Um, what else?
Speaker 3:You ever do Christopher Columbus? That would have been good. No, nice little Italian boy. Dress it up, do Christopher Columbus? That would have been good.
Speaker 1:no, nice little Italian boy dress it up like I think my mom knew even back then she knew something was up with him.
Speaker 3:My last costume was my last costume was in that I went trick-or-treating in was Fred Durst. It's awesome, I was pumped about that. I remember the-or-treating in was Fred Durst it's awesome, I was pumped about that.
Speaker 1:You had the red hat, I had the red Yankees hat?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had the red Yankees hat and I painted on a little like chin goatee or whatever he had and I just it was one of those things where, like I didn't have anything, got invited trick-or-treating last minute. I already had the red Yankees hat because I was such a big Limp Bizkit fan, so I already had the hat. So did you have the pants? I think.
Speaker 3:I just wore. I think I just wore khakis probably had vans already and then I had like a snowboarding jacket that I never snowboarded but I had like a baggy snowboarding jacket that I use like it was like I was trying to be like Fred Durst in the nookie music video and that was. That was the last time, so that would have been probably sixth or seventh grade. Probably seventh grade would be my guess that we thought I went trick or treating.
Speaker 3:It was probably the last time and then like then you're old enough, you're going to parties like halloween parties after that, from what I remember, when I would be when I was invited hey man, you gotta crash.
Speaker 1:If you got the look, dude, what were you saying? Any plans to dress up this year?
Speaker 3:nah, I'm actually gonna be away, which is awesome because I'm you know where I live. Just in general, I hate being at home for halloween because I I'm a single guy. I don't like answering my door for children to give them candy. It's weird. The whole thing is just strange for me. I can't get excited about it. I don't care what these kids are dressed up as.
Speaker 1:You feel weird, getting excited that kids are knocking at your door.
Speaker 3:Well, no More like. I open the door, like oh, what are you? Oh, you're such a cute princess, I'm not going to say that. So then when I open the, her here. See ya, it's weird, I don't like it. It's a weird thing to do as a single male for me, just personal choice. I don't like it, so I don't do it. I usually try to stay away and luckily this year I'm actually going to be in the candy capital of the world, hershey, pennsylvania, for a conference.
Speaker 2:So I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 3:What about you?
Speaker 1:Are you dressing up this year? No plans to. I had to dress up for work. You should dress up as Emperor Norton. Dude, I blow him away. But um no, we'll just come home and we'll do the trick-or-treaters. We live in a little townhouse community, so we'll get all the trick-or-treaters let's see if we can get someone else on here.
Speaker 3:Hey, brian K, this is Matt and John with the Nailing History podcast. How's it going?
Speaker 2:what's going on guys?
Speaker 1:getting your radio voice, one of our fans we're just recording a little Halloween episode.
Speaker 3:We wanted to reach out to the fans and just have a little chat about Halloween.
Speaker 2:Oh great.
Speaker 1:We've already called half of them. We've called half of all of our fans.
Speaker 3:We've called half of our fans and you're one of the few that picked up, so that's good. Hey, just curious what's your favorite Halloween costume ever? Brian K.
Speaker 2:My favorite Halloween costume ever. Brian K, my favorite Halloween costume ever. Probably the time that me and my buddy dress up as Top Gun.
Speaker 3:That sounds really masculine. That sounds like you guys were Goose and Maverick Just walking around like alpha males. Definitely very masculine costumes.
Speaker 2:A lot of compliments. Yeah, so Brian K and I, brian K and I.
Speaker 3:Well, brian K and I. He's alluding to a costume that Brian and I did together where we went as Goose and Maverick in college who was who?
Speaker 1:To a frat party? Yeah, went as.
Speaker 2:Goose and Maverick in college, who was who To a frat party?
Speaker 3:I was Goose because I had a mustache and Brian K was Maverick I was cruising short. The biggest problem with that costume was when we were seen together, we looked like a gay couple, which nothing wrong with it, except in college might not have been the best way to get chicks at a Halloween party and or and. Then, when we were separate, we looked like astronauts or something.
Speaker 2:It was really bad.
Speaker 1:It was horrible.
Speaker 3:It was horrible. It was the worst costume ever we bought. We bought them online. They were just like some jumpsuits or whatever. They ripped immediately. Yeah, that was a rough one. Brian K, I was talking about my blackface costume from freshman year too.
Speaker 2:That was a rough one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a bad one. Who's John? John didn't say anything about college. He was Pinocchio one year when he was like his mid-20s.
Speaker 1:It wasn't Halloween, though, but we'll say it was a Halloween costume. Yeah, I did. Pinocchio Went to a pee-themed party.
Speaker 3:What was the last year that you trick-or-treated Brian K?
Speaker 2:Oh boy For that candy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I might have went one time in high school.
Speaker 3:Whoa, that's pretty old Brian yeah.
Speaker 2:I can't really remember.
Speaker 3:Well, you have younger brothers, so maybe you were taking them around.
Speaker 2:And I'm definitely going to use that as an excuse. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you remember your last trick-or-treating Halloween costume? By any chance, or a later one, like your pre-teen teen costumes, anything that would be funny.
Speaker 2:I usually dress up as a sports guy, because that was my alley.
Speaker 3:Just throw a jersey on and say that's who you are Throw a jersey on and I was a sports guy.
Speaker 2:I think, I went as Marshall Falk one year.
Speaker 3:Did you do blackface I?
Speaker 2:went as a baseball. That was cool. I did not do blackface.
Speaker 3:Yeah, marshall Falk. Yeah, you went as a baseball. That's a good one. It's like Brian K going as an athlete is kind of like me going as Fred Durst Same thing.
Speaker 2:Or a skateboarder.
Speaker 3:Right or a skateboarder Right. Yeah that's cool. You guys should dress up like me for Halloween.
Speaker 2:Oh, like what Should we pick a decade of?
Speaker 3:you to dress up as like your weezer decade. Yeah, my weezer decade, my nirvana decade skateboarding decade studious decade your blackface decade yeah, that was bad. That was bad. I was thinking, if this pocket I'm the nice part about, really the main reason why we're getting this episode out on the airwaves is in case this podcast ever hits, it gets big in the future, that I'll at least have a pre-recorded episode explaining my blackface costume, so that it's not Well, it would be like it's not a reactive apology.
Speaker 3:It's like I wasn't doing blackface, I was doing this.
Speaker 1:So, it's already out there Because you didn't delete your pictures off Facebook, right?
Speaker 3:I deleted my whole Facebook. Delete your account. Yes, the pictures are definitely somewhere. Brian K might actually have access to them Chances are he does. I would have to do some digging Maybe we'll tease him out for our fans. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Tease one out.
Speaker 3:We'll do it, but we'll blur my face.
Speaker 1:I learned today that a chat GPT query uses about as much energy and power as a full as the all the power to charge your phone that's holy moly.
Speaker 2:Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:wow for real, yeah oh, for real talking about. I was listening to an article about how all these tech companies they're going into nuclear power because they need all these other service centers, all their data centers, need all this power to run AI.
Speaker 3:Alright, brian K, we'll let you go. Thanks for answering. You got anything else to leave the fans with?
Speaker 2:No, I got nothing on the top of my head, but thanks for the phone call.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe I should have given you a heads up, but I wanted to catch you off guard a little bit.
Speaker 2:You sure did.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, thanks for picking up and thanks for listening, as always.
Speaker 1:See you, guys All right, see ya, you're the best, See ya.
Speaker 3:All right, well, just he, just a great fan, very great fan. He keeps up to date.
Speaker 1:Just one last thing he gave us some of the best feedback from the very beginning. He's one of. He was the one behind the?
Speaker 3:yes, we did have we had one more fan mail that I wanted to get to. It says excellent solo episode Matt, I never knew Edward Norton had such a rich background. I've been a fan of his since American History X but never knew. I'm just kidding, that's pretty much. Oh, that's a biopic of her norton. Obviously I never knew edward. I don't know why. I think that's so funny. I never knew Edward Norton had such a rich background. I've been a fan of his since American History X but never knew how deep his past ran. As for costumes, if we're talking nailing history topics, I think an OJ and Kato costume would be great. Well, there's the second OJ OJ choice. That that would be a good one. That would be a good one. Cheeseburgers and all that.
Speaker 1:OJ and Kato just with just bags and like a jacuzzi somewhere. That's funny.
Speaker 3:Emily M might be able to tag it. I think her favorite Halloween costume was always French fries McDonald's French fries. She bought a costume and that always was her favorite, so she could kind of tie into that. That'd be pretty funny. You both could pull that off. Well, we already kind of got it went over that. I think we might be past our time for being able to pull off that. Otherwise, for historical costumes, I love a good Captain Jack Sparrow.
Speaker 1:Very historical. He was definitely the best pirate. You meant to say Captain Blackbeard.
Speaker 3:He was definitely. No, I don't think so. He was definitely the best pirate, I'm not sure. Oh yeah, okay, so that was it. Stay classy dick pepperfield, which I think I know who this is. We'll give him a call and see if we can get him to answer. Chances are very slim on this one, but you never know, you could think it's an emergency. That's usually why people answer. I think anymore is like wait, why is he calling? Yeah?
Speaker 1:definitely oh is this Dick Pepperfield. Mr Pepperfield.
Speaker 2:Uh, this is Dick Copperfield.
Speaker 3:Hey, uh, this is Matt and John with the nailing history podcast. Just calling uh Collins doing some returning of our fan mail and just wanted to say thanks for getting back to us.
Speaker 2:Hey man, Thank you.
Speaker 3:I got to say I was laughing pretty hard at your response. You like that, I like the cheeseburgers. Addition to the OJ and Kato costume, that would be a nice touch.
Speaker 2:I mean you got to have them because it ties it all together.
Speaker 3:That was pretty good. That was pretty good. Just curious what's your favorite Halloween costume that you ever dressed up as?
Speaker 2:There's many to choose from.
Speaker 1:Jesus.
Speaker 2:I mean, probably, at the end of the day, probably Charlie Kelly.
Speaker 3:Okay, the Always Sunny in Philadelphia yeah that's a good one. That's a good one because you look a little bit like him, so you definitely pulled that off pretty well. That was a college stooge, I guess.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh.
Speaker 3:What was the last year that you remember trick-or-treating?
Speaker 2:Last year I was Like in terms of receiving candy. Yeah, like going out and actually like you know Probably, I mean yeah, a couple years ago, probably, you know, pre-covid COVID is what really did it for you.
Speaker 1:I really just put a wrench in everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean after that, you know I've ruined everything.
Speaker 3:What would happen if, like you, were just like all the ring?
Speaker 1:cameras on everyone's houses. You know what would happen if, like you, were just like all the ring cameras on everyone's houses. You kind of you know what would happen?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know people get mad, you know what?
Speaker 3:was that? Like what would? What would you think if you were like live, like just hanging out your house doing trick-or-treating or whatever, like doing halloween and waiting for people to come, and then just a group of like five to six men in their mid thirties is doing a straight up trick or treat run? Like, what do you do? Do you turn them away?
Speaker 2:They are they cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're like us, dressed up as Edward Norton.
Speaker 2:They got a trick, I got a treat, that's all I got.
Speaker 3:There you go. You heard it from the man himself. Um, the other thing that we wanted to bring up. As far as mustard goes, what we were alluding to, there is a Koshusko mustard out there. Oh really, mm-hmm, they have three choices, correct, that's correct. They have coarse ground, they have just regular spicy brown, and then they have. Is it a beer? Regular spicy brown? And then they have. Is it a beer mustard?
Speaker 2:john, your mustard, yeah now we have you know what you can get of it. I I hate to say it, but this, this guy, is growing on me I know right, even the mustard right well, I didn't know about the mustard, but you know john's are doing a great job with this guy.
Speaker 3:And I feel like that last step was very informative. Yeah, you got a little bit of. You kind of started to realize that he's not such a choo.
Speaker 2:He might now be a jabroni after all. He just has a jabroni name, matt and I have come to the conclusion.
Speaker 1:Now, who are we speaking with? Again?
Speaker 2:I know you by an alias.
Speaker 1:Dick Pepperfield. Dick Pepperfield, if I recall correctly, I think you have some Italian-American heritage as well, and Matt and I were saying that maybe Columbus Day needs to take the pine. We can't really wrap our heads around why it is that Columbus has his own day.
Speaker 3:We started the episode talking about how Christopher Columbus might be a Spanish Jew and they're taking that away from the Italians, I mean if they're taking it away.
Speaker 2:That's going to be devastating.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. I mean, I don't know if Would you Do you replace it with a Cusco Day that's my question or a Garibaldi Day?
Speaker 3:Well, Cusco wasn't an Italian-American.
Speaker 2:A Cusco Day. I mean, you know, he deserves a day, I think.
Speaker 3:I mean, if there was a Polish-American Day, it would be Cusco, so it would be Kosciuszko, so I don't know if there is one, I don't know when, we would celebrate like Polish American heritage. But Columbus Day is for Italian American heritage, dick Pepperfield. So if you were to pick one Italian that would replace Christopher Columbus, what would it be? Who would it be? As far as for a national holiday, One Italian to replace. Mm-hmm, this is Put really put you on the spot, I know.
Speaker 2:This is on the spot. A little prep time could have helped in this case. One in town Maybe speak up. Antonio Soprano's not eligible.
Speaker 3:Sure, he's eligible.
Speaker 2:He's not, I don't know, maybe Frankie, who could we?
Speaker 1:put in Frankie Sinatra. I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2:Frankie Generic. Who could we put in Frankie Sinatra?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's talking about Frankie Sinatra. That was a choice, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the people would love it.
Speaker 1:Old blue eyes.
Speaker 2:Maybe Tony Roney.
Speaker 3:Tony Roney, tony Roney, mario Cuomo, the Cuomo, boys the Cuomo boys Cuomo.
Speaker 2:What Cuomo boys. The Cuomo boys Cuomo. What other food is there? That's really the Italian food mascot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the SpaghettiOs guy Chef Boyardee, was he Italian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chef Boyardee, he must be, imagine, chef Boyardee he must be.
Speaker 3:Imagine Chef Boyardee is not Italian. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3:Do you think Chef Boyardee is like Boyardee's Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 2:Is that Boyardee's Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 1:Sounded by Itore Boyardee. There you go.
Speaker 3:I heard it from the man himself.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. He's proud Italian-American. There you go, huh so.
Speaker 3:Boyardee.
Speaker 1:Day Dick Pepperfield, chef Boyardee Day.
Speaker 2:He's Italian there you go. Maybe work on that gravy.
Speaker 3:You don't like Chef Boyardee's gravy, do you? I haven't had it in a bit, I'll say that much.
Speaker 2:What about John?
Speaker 3:John.
Speaker 1:Nah, I make my own. I've been yelled at in his family's house for calling him. He's a Thai-American.
Speaker 3:That's valid. I don't know if it's a geographical thing with Italians, but he comes from a family who does not call it gravy. I don't know if there's geopolitical reasoning for that.
Speaker 2:Where is he from?
Speaker 3:Where are you from, John?
Speaker 1:Well, my clan of Italians come from Rosetto, Pennsylvania. Where are?
Speaker 2:you from in Italy, which is Eastern.
Speaker 1:Pennsylvania, sicily and Puglia. Where are you from, dick?
Speaker 2:What'd you call me?
Speaker 3:Dick Pepperfield.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the full name please. Originally, you know back in the old country here and there.
Speaker 3:Where on the?
Speaker 2:boot, would you say you were from the heel.
Speaker 3:I'm hearing there about when on the boot would you say you were from.
Speaker 2:The heel Mid, you know mid lower calf, the ankle, Like high ankle, low calf.
Speaker 1:When we have been put on is the question.
Speaker 2:You know my come from the big toe.
Speaker 1:It's all over.
Speaker 3:All over the boot there. That's good, that's good.
Speaker 2:But not Sardinia.
Speaker 3:Not Sardinia. What's wrong with Sardinia? Well, I guess we'll have to get into that.
Speaker 2:I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3:All right, Dick. Well, we appreciate you answering the phone. We got Brian K on here. We got Emily M on here. Andrew S didn't answer. He's too busy, I guess he shot you down. He did. Yeah, but we just wanted to respond. We want to make sure that the fan mail keeps going, so we wanted to give you a personalized call to respond.
Speaker 2:You kept begging for a text message, wow, so I had to shoot a couple of her. I love the show. Listen to every episode.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Well, this one will be coming out on Halloween, so enjoy it, enjoy it. I hope you have a good holiday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will be celebrating this year.
Speaker 3:Are you dressing up this year? We'll see, we'll see. Now I will say, of all the people that I know, as far as, uh, halloween costumes and creativity and humor, uh, mr Dick Pepperfield is one of the best. He usually brings it pretty good on Halloween, so I got to give it to him.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep, he's one of the best. So if you ever need to try, I do what.
Speaker 2:I can Yep, yep. He's one of the best. So if you ever need a tip.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I try, I do what I can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and your suggestions were great.
Speaker 2:Alright, I think you guys should maybe take a video put some pictures up.
Speaker 3:Of us dressed as OJ and Kato, which is take some video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, throw it up on the Twitter account.
Speaker 3:Should we just reenact the night of OJ and Kato?
Speaker 2:Even better.
Speaker 3:Like Kato getting yelled at for leaving the Jets on in the hot tub and then go to McDonald's.
Speaker 2:Okay, Take your bit from the show, polish it up. Add some more Google skip.
Speaker 3:There you go. You heard it from our number one fan, john. That's what we need to do. That'll get us some. There you go. You heard it from our number one fan, john. That's what we need to do, that'll get us some that will get us. Now I'll say this much If we do that, that would get us some attention out there. That would get you a pop, I think. Good or bad, that would get us a pop I'm going to need that wig Either way, either way.
Speaker 1:You still have the makeup, I'm sure, from being blackface.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I could probably dig it up somewhere. It's been a couple years.
Speaker 2:You know, do it your way. I'm not going to tell you how to do it.
Speaker 1:All right Well we appreciate it.
Speaker 3:Thank you for that. That was a great idea. Thanks for the feedback.
Speaker 2:No problemo.
Speaker 3:I have enjoyed the rest of your evening.
Speaker 2:You guys too. Thank you, Mr.
Speaker 1:Pepperfield. Take care Be peace. Well, there you have it, john. I lied, there you have it. I'm really getting through to him.
Speaker 3:About what. He's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1:Heavy hitters.
Speaker 3:He's a pistol, that guy. Back toto-back heavy hitters he's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1:Back-to-back heavy hitters dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Guy comes from all over Italy. I'm jealous.
Speaker 3:I'm still getting over reading his fan mail for the first time and realizing what he was actually saying. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Gotta give it to him.
Speaker 3:I guess anything else. John, you got anything else to say? I mean, we kind of we dug into the the Christopher Columbus saga a bit, got some fan reactions at Halloween you know, just be safe out there if you're out there with your kids yeah, hope you guys enjoy your Halloween and hopefully we got you guys thinking there with your kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hope you guys enjoy your your Halloween and hopefully we got you guys thinking about some good costumes and hope you guys pick a historical costume and go to a party and be able to teach everybody about it.
Speaker 1:So have fun, stay safe but, even more importantly, stay curious.
Speaker 3:Alright, fans have a good one.
Speaker 2:And we say bye-bye.