Nailing History

137: After Dark: Money Talks, BS Walks: The Sequel No One Asked For

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Ever wondered why a president can send the National Guard into a city that didn’t ask for it? We light the fuse on a late-night, no-bleeps conversation that links today’s deployments to a long trail of precedent—from George Washington’s march during the Whiskey Rebellion to Woodrow Wilson’s 1916 overhauls and the 14th Amendment’s slow centralization of power. It’s not just a rant; it’s a map of how federal authority grew, why states ceded immigration control, and how both sides spin law and order to score political points while locals live with the consequences.

We walk through the legal gray zones around ICE, the friction between cooperation and obstruction, and the realities of federalism that most headlines skip. Then we pull history closer: Washington’s show of force, Hamilton’s tax, and Wilson’s National Defense Act that standardized and federalized state militias into today’s National Guard. Along the way, we question whether “emergencies” justify muscle, and who gets to say when the emergency ends. The 14th Amendment’s incorporation story gets its due too, reminding us how rights protection and centralization became intertwined.

On the culture side, we’re having fun with serious stakes. We set prop bets for Ken Burns’s new American Revolution series—who gets named, what themes hit first, how “complex” villains become—and we cheer Netflix’s upcoming Death by Lightning, a gripping take on President James Garfield’s assassination, Charles Guiteau’s chaotic spiral, and the era’s flawed medicine. These stories aren’t detours; they’re primers on how a nation learns to read power. If you care about civil liberties, federalism, immigration policy, and the history that keeps repeating, this after-dark session is your field guide.

If you’re into smart, unscripted history with sharp edges, hit play, share this with a friend, and tell us: where do you draw the line on federal force? Subscribe, leave a review, and drop your boldest prop bet for the Revolution series.

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I forgot about our new uh nailing history intro music. I was rocking out to that. It's been a minute. It's been a few. So Delaware, huh? Yeah. Ooh, Delaware. Delaware action. Let's do it.

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I got my notes.

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I'm sure you do. Well, do you have to can you apologize?

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I'm sorry to you. I'm sorry to the fans. I uh I'm a flake, as you all know. Not much has changed as we near the end of 2025. Can you believe that?

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It's gonna be hard to drum up another best of episode for uh for this year, I would say. How many episodes have we clocked? I don't know. Not enough. Oh wow. My money's just going right down the toilet with these uh subscriptions.

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Maybe you could do a buyback at the end of the year. See maybe like a maybe see if the script will give you uh a credit.

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I don't know and use your services for like I don't know, man. Maybe it's maybe it's worth it because uh according to according to this guy, Carlos from Podstatus, we're doing very well in Kenya.

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I don't know where else we'd want to be doing well.

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Narobi nailing nailing history in Nairobi. Could you imagine if there's like a group of people in some country where like their only bit of history, like no like their only bit of American history is like what we've taught them?

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It's like we got through all of the sanctions. Like only our podcast has made it through all the sanctions of all these countries.

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That would be a pretty funny movie. Like there's this, like there's this like country out there that like we're like uh we've taught their whole generation about history, like they play our show in like school, and now since we haven't had any episodes, they like haven't had any schools.

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Like the school, the country's falling apart, like the whole market's just collapsed all because they haven't gotten their daily weekly dose. It would be fun. I mean, what? Because China has their own Facebook, all these countries make their own things. You don't do that? Our traffic made it through because we're we just flew under the radar. It's possible. That would be a good movie. I don't know what we can get into. I don't know what we need to get into.

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It's a bit of a uh a little bit of a flyer episode. I was thinking, John, what if what if we made this like a you know, we're recording this on a Friday night. Vibes are good looking into the weekend as opposed to we normally are looking out of the weekend. Right. So vibes are good, it's night. You know, I was thinking, what if we uh what if we call this a nailing history after dark? And and and pull, and then you know, and and uh and ditch the sensor button.

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Just leave it all on the line. Let's just get it all out there. I don't know if our Kenyan friends are gonna approve, but they'll let us know.

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Then like we do an after dark episode, and like society just crumbles and like crimes rampant.

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Or the or the Kenyan stock market goes up 50,000 points overnight.

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So just rejuvenated. I guess I guess if you think about it, the reason of the for the hiatus is like nothing's been going on in this country.

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Absolutely zero. It's so boring.

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It's been boring out there. I can't think of one thing, you know.

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Well, we did we already nailed the tariff stuff you know a long time ago. Uh-huh. So we kind of entered the year not only having so much to talk about. And that all kind of just hit the wall for a while.

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I think all the fans are, I feel I feel like the fans have used the knowledge that they've gained on our podcast to for water cooler talk.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think so. So, like, I don't know, nothing's really been going on, but I don't know. This uh I just got kind of fired up about the uh you know, I don't get fired up about politics very often, and I do I think most of it's bullshit. It's after dark, so we can say whatever we can say whatever the hell we want. You were heated. I was heated, I've cooled off extensively.

SPEAKER_04:

Really hot and bothered. It was what was that Tuesday?

SPEAKER_03:

I was in a bad day. I was having a I've I was having I've been having a rough little a rough week-ish. And this has been going on, and it's just like been grinding my gears big time, and I'm just like, I don't, I don't just man.

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I mean, it's shocking to some. I could see why it's catching some attention in the in the in the media circuit, but hey, there's a history to it. Nothing new as far as I'm concerned. It's Friday night. Sleeps are up. It's Friday night. Sleeps are up. I'm eating soup. I got a beer cracked oat.

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I'm I just had a nice bowl of instant oatmeal.

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I am ready to go. Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

Nailing history after dark. I guess my thing is um me and the two of us, I think, is just in general, are more proponents of you can say what you want. I think the term libertarian is more too widely used. I don't necessarily know if I'm a libertarian necessarily. I think I'm just more like everyone should be free to do whatever they want. Yep. We know you. You're in you're an EL ELE guy. Everybody love everybody, right? You can do whatever you want. I don't care. As long as it doesn't affect well, even if it does affect well, let me think about that. If it does affect me, would you be able to still do it? I guess so.

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I'm all for people people, if you make your bed, you gotta sleep in it too. And that actions have consequences, and if you just think there's someone always gonna bail you out, that's not right. Whether it's the government, mom, your daddy, anyone.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, well that doesn't really get to where we're going here. So the the what I was what I was all hot and bothered with was it's late night.

SPEAKER_02:

This this after dark, sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

This freaking yeah, it's after dark. It's nailing history after dark. This freaking clown show going on in um with like the National Guard getting deployed to cities and across America. I think it started with DC, and it's all from the federal government sending this out, right? No one's asking for it, which is the biggest my biggest gripe with it, you know. And well, there might be individuals, but governors of the states aren't. And they send so first was DC, and DC's like, well, DC is the White House is there.

SPEAKER_04:

So like Well, Congress. I mean, Congress gave their municipal powers to a mayor. I mean, if Congress wants to shuttle that down, it can. It's just they don't want to deal with running a city. They can.

SPEAKER_03:

So that could that was a little bit more permissible, would you say? Yeah, I'd say so. They have more of a case there than like Chicago. So then Chicago just out of nowhere started becoming this like hotbed topic of I think there's issues with like ice, people are protesting ice and not the beverage cooler, but the immigration something or another.

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Enforcement agency, yeah. What's this got great benefits right now?$50,000 signing bonus if any one of our fans it's after dark, remember. What's the C in corrections, maybe? No. Is it so? We're very qualified. Immigration and customs. Oh, customs, right. Okay. Customs, please.

SPEAKER_03:

Anyway, so like I think it started off with that, but then everyone's saying the city's so unsafe, there's all this crime, blah, blah, blah. So then Trump's taking upon himself, or I don't want to say Trump, just the federal government in general. There's a bunch of bozos running the show over there. And then did you see who got sent to Chicago? Do you see the pictures? No. I mean, the National Guard from Texas is like they show up, they're like freaking. I don't even know. I didn't even know they made army attire that size. So I was like, at first, I was like, at first I was like, oh man, these people from Chicago. Then I like saw who was showing up. I was like, I guess it's not that big of a deal. But like, you know, didn't send my brother. I think that's your biggest. I think that's one of the biggest ways for your freedoms to be taken from you is for your own government to enter your city or where you live unasked by people who don't live there. Well, and like it's not their thing.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Uh I will say typically when the hit yeah, way back in the day, you had to be a governor had to ask you for help. If you wanted the militia to come in, the governor needed to basically have that goes back to the whiskey rebellion. And that was a very sp like uh, you know, these specific cases where they deem an uprising or an insurrection, and so to quill it, they send in federal troops or you know, you know, armed militia troops. And yeah, there's a precedent in some way, shape, or form for it. But in this example with Trump, because it's ICE, like all the states basically agree that the federal government would be responsible for immigration, right? Like states don't control their own immigration policy. Like Texas can't say, you know, we want to allow, you know, 100,000 Mexicans into our state, into our state per year. We know we give them work visas and they can only work and live within Texas until they become like formal U.S. citizens. At some point down the track down the line, like all the states offloaded immigration to the federal government, and so ICE is part of immigration. And so with that, like the states, even if the governor didn't ask for the National Guard in terms of like ICE enforcement, like a state doesn't have to provide its own resources to help ICE carry out what it's trying to carry out, but it can't obstruct it either. It can't obstruct the federal act of trying to deal with immigration. And I think that's kind of really what's going on in the background with all these more liberal blue states and cities, is that yeah, Trump's kind of using it as a way to say like it just feels like it feels like the the whole immigration thing is like I get it.

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe there's there's some there's some there's something to like knowing who's here, whatever, border security, because I'm always I always think we've talked about this before that like we could get Trojan horse as a country. And people don't realize that. I don't think I don't I think people Well some sides want it.

SPEAKER_04:

Maybe but like the Democrats want more illegals here because the when the well I listened to a whole podcast about the census coming up, and in the census, the census doesn't the whole should just citizens be included on the census? Because with with based on the census, that's how you get apportionment in the House of Representatives. And typically speaking, the dep part of the reason the Democrats even have the numbers they have are because of if you're in the House, if you got a household of ten people with legal, illegal, doesn't matter, they're all gonna be counted as one person, and then when it comes time to actually apportioning the states, uh the districts across the country, they're gonna have an outsized man. So the Democrats objectively want more immigrants, legal or other legal or illegal. Okay. It benefits them.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so it's political, it's political however you look at it, I guess. But for sure. It's almost like he read the book of the whiskey rebellion and was like, oh, I can say that I'm doing it because of this and send troops into these cities and take control. It's not the same. Well, no, well, so the whiskey so the whiskey rebellion was in 1791, our buddy and your ace of clubs, Alexander Hamilton, ace of clubs? Yes. I don't like him, but I just put a federal ta a tax on whiskey to help pay off the national debt. But right. And then but then the farmers in Pennsylvania, specifically in Pennsylvania, but just any farmers like out in the you know st the booth.

SPEAKER_04:

Maybe at the time rye, rye whiskey was really popular in western Pennsylvania at the time, and a lot of the barley, all these things that they farmed, so now of a sudden they're paying off the debt.

SPEAKER_03:

They're left holding the bag.

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Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

And then people brewing beer up in New England aren't paying for it. Right. Oh, there you go. Right. So then protests blew up, and then in 1794, George Washington led a min militia of 13,000 troops to suppress it. Now he now Washington went to led them himself. So I don't see Trump. That's pretty cool. That's very cool. I mean, oh, is it very not that cool if you were a farmer? But hey, he put his money where his mouth is. I don't see Trump out there getting shot with pepper pepper bullets or whatever's going on over in Chicago. Plus, I also think that I don't even know if it's really that. I mean, I think the National Guard and like the ICE are a bunch of bozos, probably, and like they're acting a fool because they don't really know what they're doing. Because I don't think the government can really do anything right. But um I think it's not like the protests and everything. I just feel like it's being painted as like a worse picture than it actually is, just so that Trump can do this and like try to get the backing of people.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Which I don't think was the case with Washington. I don't think he was I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't I don't think so, but I think Hamilton might have needed a but this sets a precedence of like, oh, I can say I'm doing this and use the military to suppress people.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03:

It's a it's like a definitely a power that can be abused, and it's the this precedence is set, and I think, yeah, I mean, is it the worst, was it the worst thing, the whiskey rebellion? Like, I don't know. But like the Constitution was brand new, and it already it always it already seemed like the federal government was like more powerful than it ever should have been, thanks to Alexander Hamilton, who wanted a king, who always wanted a king, like you've said. And that's kind of what it is. That's kind of what the action is, and that's kind of what's going on now. Is like, I don't know, it's like people he might have been the most prescient.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, maybe his knowledge on human nature, I don't know, but he he kind of was just like, let's get all this, let's get all the pleasantries out of the way and just make a king for life, because that's what we're gonna that's what we're working towards, and all these ever everyone else was just trying to stop it. Maybe it can't be stopped, you know? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And I don't know. Everyone's been neutered, Congress is been neutered. Uh but like I just but everyone's gonna take the wrong example out of it. Whether you're for or against it, it's gonna come from a very, I think a lot of time historically kind of ignorant place, and it'll be just like, oh, I like what he's doing because I like what he's doing, not whether it's legal or constitutional. I think that's all very secondary at this point.

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Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, and then I think I was like just thinking about it, and the other thing that is like frustrating to me, I don't know if there's been any other examples of this, and like maybe you know, you think back to like the Civil War, probably not the same situation, but doesn't it feel like yeah, Trump's being Trump's being overpowering whatever? But then I'm looking at it the same way as like the leaders of this these cities are also like seem like they're just like fighting Trump just to fight Trump. Like, you know, I think they're just like it there there's no agreement going on. It's like no matter what happens, they're gonna disagree or go against it for political gain, right? I think it's all for political gain. So like I feel like both of the sides are using this power struggle and like using their people as like pawns in this game for sure, taking like taking their freedoms away just to prove that they can. Like, how mad would you be if like you went out your front door and you just saw like the National Guard marching the street for no reason that you didn't invite them to? And then you know, I think a lot of the time, well, and the Whiskey Rebellion might be a perfect example of this, or just in general, is like people with the Second Amendment argument with people, right? People say, like, you you know, they're the argument for the Second Amend Amendment, in addition to self-defense, because self-defense can only take you so far as far as like how many guns you should be able to own or like what level or whatever. It's like a lot of people say, oh, well, the reason that the the reason that the Second Amendment was put into the Constitution was so that the people would have the power to fight against a tyrannical government.

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No? Well, to form a well-regulated militia, but unfortunately that well-regulated the well-regulated militias being used against them because it was nationalized by Woodrow Wilson, and now we have National Guards in the way they are. We don't have state militias anymore.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, so the part so the thing for the national so the National Guard was is like the new version of like state militias.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, that sounds not true. What do you mean Woodrow Wilson Google check it out? Woodrow Wilson and the National Guard. The National Guard Act, wasn't it? 1913. Let's have a look here. It's after dark. It's after dark. The National Defense Act of 1916 was signed by Woodrow Wilson.

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Don't talk listen, time out. Don't talk about it like you like don't present it as if you know what you're talking about. Okay, okay. After dark. I'm Googling it. Yeah, but don't like talk about it like I told you. I told you, see? No, you have to say that.

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Let's see, let's see here. National defense. Okay, creative federalized standards. It mandated that federal funding and control over the guard establishing national standards for training, equipment, and efficiency. Guardsmen were required to wear U.S. Army uniforms. The act greatly increased the president's power to mobilize the National Guard during a declared national emergency. It also authorized the drafting of guardsmen into the U.S. Army for overseas service.

SPEAKER_03:

Why? What was the reason that he did that? World War One on the Like what what was his what was his reason?

SPEAKER_04:

I don't know. Sign the into law.

SPEAKER_03:

Isn't he your least favorite president?

SPEAKER_04:

I don't like him. By 1916, the U.S. was still officially neutral in World War I, but Europe was already two years into the war. There were growing fears that the U.S. now fans after dark Chat GPT. There were growing fears that the U.S. military was too small and disorganized to defend the country or project power if drawn in. The regular army had only about a hundred thousand soldiers, smaller than Portugal's army at the time. The National Guard, controlled by state governors, varied widely in size, training, and equipment quality. The purpose of the act uh Wilson's answer is sweeping reform that fundamentally reshaped the U.S. military to modernize and expand the army, to federalize the National Guard, uh allowing the president to federalize the Guard for longer periods and for more missions, even overseas.

SPEAKER_03:

So this is Woodrow Wilson's fault.

SPEAKER_04:

It's in part. Again, I go back to Lincoln. Lincoln's the one who do you go back to the civil the civil war neutered the states. I mean, and if the militia powers were a state power, well, that power was okay, maybe it was still on the books from 1865 until 1916, but Olsen just put a put the nail in the coffin.

SPEAKER_03:

So do you consider the Confederate army state militia?

SPEAKER_04:

No. They would have been their own federal they had they were their own federal republic at that point. Okay. And then they would have had their own standing army. So in the time of war.

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Right.

SPEAKER_04:

Do you have a federal army? The Constitution did not allow for a standing army. It's what they fought. That's why the whole thing was basically run by militia in the beginning, and all the tension in the beginning of the Revolutionary War. We had militia, and then Lincoln, you know, Washington's like, we need a formal army to fight the British, and there was a lot of resistance.

SPEAKER_03:

Who said that?

SPEAKER_04:

Wash Washington and Hamilton type, like all this. Probably Hancock probably had something to do with it. That good looking son of a channel. Like John Adams, like more like Federalist types of people. Not Patrick Henry, probably. You don't think? I don't. Because he was like top dog in Virginia, first of all. I mean, he he was the Pritzker of his day, kind of like he was a Gavin Newsom type where he was like a major power in his state. Who's Pritzker? Isn't he the Jeb Pritzker? Isn't that how you say the Illinois governor? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I heard Pete Pete Heggseth was saying he should do some push-ups or something. Did you see that? No. But I it's so absurd. It's so crazy, dude. It's so crazy. Like what I don't know. I mean, I just think if they would have asked for it, sure, you can you can have it. Have what? Like if the people of Chicago is like, this is getting out of control, we need help taking care of our people, then you can, you know. You can have it. Plus, like, I think the people who live there aren't being affected by it. Or the people who are a lot, like the loudest voices about this whole thing seems to be people who don't live in the city.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Well, that's uh that's out of the playbook of most progressives. It's always the other someone else we have to worry about, never mind in the backyard. What do you mean? Because it's so much easier to worry about something that's not impacting you daily. You said most people that are making the loudest noise about it don't live in Chicago. Right. That's that's like a typical progressive thing. But then I'm gonna be super worried about the rest of the world or what's going on in the other side of the country or what the laws are in Mississippi or what the laws are. And I'd say maybe some ways like people on the right might far right might say, Oh, what happened in California? It's like, yeah, you're always worried about the other side because I don't think people like looking in the mirror and be like, uh, like probably should fix the potholes in our town first.

SPEAKER_03:

I was pretty hot. I was trying to get a rise out of a bunch of people, but I wasn't getting a lot of. You were the only one that kind of responded.

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Come on.

SPEAKER_03:

It's after dark. I'm gonna respond to you. Yeah, but you didn't really respond that well. You kind of were just like Yeah, we're working. Oh, you sent me this nice picture of Woodrow Wilson. What's the fourteen? It doesn't matter if it's constitutional. What's the what's the 14th Amendment? Is that the Woodrow Wilson?

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The 14th Amendment is what started and kind of that's what's began neutering the states. I mean, that's the war was fought. And then the that's where we have the citizenship clause and you know, birthright citizenships all tied into the 14th Amendment, substantive due process, so all the stuff. Every time the it's the reason why the Supreme Court were able to incorporate the Bill of Rights against the states themselves. So meaning, like, if someone's gonna basically fight for their Second Amendment right, let's say, in because the state of Pennsylvania passes what they see as an unconstitutional infringement of their Second Amendment rights, they would file a case, they could file a case and take it up to the Supreme Court based on the Fourteenth Amendment incorporating the Second Amendment. So it's like without the Fourteenth Amendment, there'd be no way that a person could basically say Wisconsin's taking away my rights to abortion, and you know, the state, the state legislature of Wisconsin passed a law, governor signed it into law, taking away my right to abortion or my right to own a gun. If you didn't have the 14th Amendment, like you could go up to the what Wisconsin Supreme Court, but you wouldn't be able to take it then to the U.S. Supreme Court after the fact. Oh. Basically, like the whole idea of like there's when we we when a when somebody hears the word Supreme Court, they think of one building in Washington, D.C. The founding generation, when they hear Supreme Court, they'd be like, which one are you talking about? And what's who has the uh authority in it? Because uh the Virginia Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court were both Supreme Courts. It's that they dealt with different things. But something like the 14th Amendment basically made the US Supreme Court quote unquote more powerful than the state Supreme Court's. I mean, it's all slow drift to more federal centralized authoritarianism. It has been for a long time. Yeah, like you said, like within a very few years after the Constitution was ratified, so and people like to use as my you can't say this guy's can't say his name, you can get canceled for it, but John C. Calhoun is known for saying, you know, he's always tied up with slavery in the South, but he made he he's kind of he was a big proponent of uh It's after dark, you don't get canceled on after dark episodes.

SPEAKER_03:

So let it fly, dude.

SPEAKER_04:

He's quoted as saying, like, the Constitution only serves those who are out of power. That's it. And he said that in the 1830s or 40s. He's like, the constitution doesn't mean anything to those that are in power, it's always going to be used by the opposition who are out of power, who are gonna say you can't do this, you can't do that. It's not in the constitution. This is unconstitutional your behavior, those that are in power. But once you get power, you throw it out the book, you th you throw it out the window. The Democrats would be doing the exact same thing if they won the election. And no one argues that. I don't think anyone I don't think that's even debatable. I want my side to win, and you throw the book.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I don't know. That's not I feel like there's times where, like, for example, this bringing the National Guard in, they're invoking the whatever that the act that Woodrow Wilson passed. Well, I guess that is that the constitution? I guess technically not.

SPEAKER_04:

A strict constructionist would say that was unconstitutional. It was passed by a progressive. He was a progressive president. That was yeah, it's just a just because a law passes doesn't make it constitutional. Right. And a strict constructionist would say a law that's unconstitutional is no law. Like income tax, like people that don't pay income taxes because they're like, it's not a constitutional law.

SPEAKER_03:

So you think somebody could come in and say, like, this isn't constitutional, sending the National Guard to a city regardless of the precedent set by Woodrow Wilson, so we're not letting you do it.

SPEAKER_04:

I think it would be more the underlying is the actual was the nationalizing of the guard in the first place, the constitutional thing. You'd have to kind of like I think you have to walk back a few more steps to get to the end that the the mean the ends that you want to get to. Which will never happen.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_04:

That's why we should just say it's unconstitutional, you can keep saying, like, well, we have this rule in 1916, we have a precedent in the Civil War. We have which I mean it's like they're gonna find enough things to back it up one way or the other.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, that's why Thomas Jefferson was dead on when he said the constitution should change every generation.

SPEAKER_04:

Or amendments shouldn't be that difficult. It's too hard to amend the thing. Yeah. 75% wait, three three-fourths of the states? Never gonna happen. What would you suggest?

SPEAKER_03:

Could you imagine those clowns trying to rewrite the constitution right now? There would be some nonsense in there, man.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't know who'd be more ridiculous. I mean lobbyists would write the constitution.

SPEAKER_03:

It'd be a m I guess it would be a mess.

SPEAKER_04:

Corporate interest corporate interest would write it. Military industrial complex interest would write it. It's not gonna come from people that are virtuous and principled.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, is there anyone? Is anyone virtuous or principled anymore? In the country. No. I'm pretty do you think you're principal?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean for some for the most might try to be, you know, but I'm not perfect. Yeah. I I was late to this podcast, so that were you?

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I didn't know that. There you go, fans. I mean, we just wanted to go on emergency podcast, try to figure out what's going on here. How how could this app possibly be going on and being allowed to happen? And it sounds like it's all thanks to our buddies. George Washington, although he talked the talk and walked the walk. He said to himself, you know what? He this this the whiskey rebellion may be the first money talks bullshit walks scenario in the country. After dark. It's up there.

SPEAKER_04:

It's up. That's a good point. For both sides. Both sides could have been like, they both could have used that phrase. Like as like Washington's troops and trooper walking up. It's like, remember, boys, money, money talks, bullshit walks. Technically, they were walking out to Western Pennsylvania, so maybe they were doing the bullshit. No. Yeah, they were 100% doing the bullshit, dude.

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The money was talking and the bullshit was walking. That is idiot. That's all that the the farmers, that's maybe that's all that they were saying. You know, they're like, hey, you know, you guys got to pay your taxes. And there's like money talks bullshit walks. Get the hell out of here. If you're sitting thinking about it, just think about the boys over in Pennsylvania or Pittsburgh area, right? Just trying to make trying to make a buck. The government's taking their money. They say, no way. Similar to the Boston Tea Party.

SPEAKER_04:

Ever hear of it? But it wasn't happening in New England, so.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I guess if yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

And then it happened in New England. We hear all about it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I guess if they could grow barley in New England, it would have been a different situation, huh? Yep. So they so they're over there minding their own business, then in comes George Washington and the boys marching to the tune of money talks bullshit walks. They're walking their bullshit after dark. And sets the precedent. Sets the precedence for the next 250 years.

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And now nobody has money because the 33 trillion in debt.

SPEAKER_03:

So everyone's doing bullshit. And then here comes Woodrow Wilson scared that the army's too small, so what does he do? He takes all the state's resources, defense resources, and puts it into the federal government. Yep. And that's where we're at. Isn't it lovely? I guess.

SPEAKER_04:

So next time you see your National Guardsmen, give him a salute. I guess yeah. Just not your state flag. He won't want that. Did we gotta tell him about a few other things?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think we got a couple things coming up. We're getting a couple uh softballs handed to us here with some uh some some entertainment coming out where we we'll be able to cover it hopefully and and discuss it on the uh on the podcast.

SPEAKER_04:

Do we want to we don't want to really we don't want to overpromise and under deliver like we have all year, but no um but I think we can ask our fans to go on a journey with us to watch some of this content that's coming out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep. So the first thing that we found this week, Ken Burns, uh famous documentarian, I guess. Is that what you would consider him? A historic documentary and one of John's favorites, I would say. Nope. Well, you've watched them. I watched the Civil War. That was good. He is doing a I don't know how many parts series documentary on the American Revolution. Which six-part documentary on the American Revolution? 12 hours. 12 hours of pure entertainment. Probably not commercial free, or I would have said that. Uh, what's it airing on? Is it airing on PBS? PBS is hawking it. PBS is haulking it pretty good. Um, and he's doing a tour right now. He was in he was in the Philadelphia area last night, and I was gonna go, but I didn't have anyone to go with. Um, I didn't really know what to expect either, so I didn't I didn't. Well, he's gonna be out there later. Oh, really? Yeah, that's why I send you all those dates. So, what John and I were thinking would be fun is we might have an episode beforehand where we put together a series of prop bets that we might do uh for the for the um for the fans to follow along with as they're watching it themselves, um, and for us to track them. And you know, John was talking about doing an episode after each episode, but I didn't want to overcommit to that, so I think maybe we just recapped in one nailing history episode. The whole documentary?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, the prop bets. Oh, the prop bets, yeah. Should we tell give our fans at least a teaser as to what why prop bets? Like which ones? Well, why we did the first one. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what so I was right, I was coming back from work, Matt and I were texting, and he sent me this link to this to this documentary. And I just first thought of my head was you know, couldusco gonna get shout is is to do's Cachusco gonna get a shout out. And my first thought without even thinking, I texted him, I said, I bet you they don't I bet you he doesn't mention Cachusco. And I get I'll put 10 bucks on that. I'll put money on that. I'll put money on that.

SPEAKER_03:

I put 10 bucks and a jar of Cachusco mustard, so we got a little bit of a side bet going. Real money. We know money talks bullshit walks, so I'm hoping I'm not walking on bullshit after this.

SPEAKER_04:

A jar of Cachusco on the line. Is Hamilton on the$10 bill?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm an idiot.

SPEAKER_04:

He wanted to like replace him with like Susan B. Anthony at some point or some lady at one point.

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See, they're gonna come out with a Trump dollar coin. That guy is insufferable, man. Oh my god. Drives me c crazy. This is what we fought against. Um, so yeah, so that's one a prop, like so. We're thinking there's a couple of things that were like over-under. What episode do they start talking about? Slavery. Um first episode.

SPEAKER_04:

I think it won't mess up, it'll be about he well, you can that's not well, that's his style, too. He always talks about all these different groups.

SPEAKER_03:

And but yeah. Couple over-unders, couple like is will Benedict Arnold be uh mentioned as a complex figure or something. Complex figure. Yeah, something like that. So could be fun. We'll put the we'll get those together. Um, hopefully, we can get those together and we'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_04:

But then a real you guys too, our fans too, our fans. Yeah. Dick Pepperfield. Dick doing Dick, we need your help on this one.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh yeah, and you know, I think I think our fans are well educated enough in the time period with the card thing that we did to be able to kind of put together some. I think Deborah Sampson will the met with Deborah Sam will the Deborah Sampson story be mentioned. Deborah Sampson, I think.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh uh Merciotis Warren, she got a shot out in the interview he did with uh Theo Vaughn. He already shouted her out.

SPEAKER_03:

One of my really well now queens. Well na your queen. Yeah. Um the uh she was the one who wrote the history of the American Revolution. She wrote the history, yeah. Um, and then a perfect queen for you, I would say. She is like your queen. Like, you know how like you say, like, my queen, like, you know. I feel like if you guys knew each other, yeah. You should be like, what are you doing? This is a republic, this is a federal republic. And then um, yeah, so if you fans, if you want to put in on any of that, that would be great. I I will say, there's an article, great article in what was that PBS? The PBS put an article together where our buddy uh big Ken was in our favorite place in the country. Boy. I wonder if he wanted to leave as quickly as we did. Ken was in Williamsburg, Colonial Williamsburg, doing a couple talks. And I said to John, I'm like, well, I guess they rolled out the red carpet for him. I mean, they're talking about like, oh, the blacksmith was inviting him over and wanted him to see so-and-so, and all the reenactors were like greeting him and doing this and that. And I was that son of a bitch after dark.

SPEAKER_04:

I would have loved this to attract him with a camera because he would have definitely walked up to a locked door and somebody would have been like, it's Ken Burns, go by the door, go with the Burgesses. I know Burgesses are closed at five on the nose.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, I bet they would have kept the door. I bet if Ken Burns was walking up the street, they would have that woman wouldn't have taken her flag inside. Do you imagine if they did, though? That would be great.

SPEAKER_04:

He went to the courthouse. I think he would have been the guy who would have been as snippy with Ken Burns asking about slate killing slaves.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you think they uh like you made a good point. You think they they had to cover up their tattoos and their and their nose rings for when Ken Burns showed up in the kitchen? What a ridiculous place in the world. Did he have peanut soup? That's all we I really care about. Dude, I that would be sweet. Like there was, oh man, now that I'm thinking about it. For like a lot of money, you could have met Ken Burns at this thing last night. I would have well, I would have loved to meet him and ask him what he thought of Colonial Williamsburg, dude.

SPEAKER_04:

Like we were like, alright, Ken. Answer me. After dark, of course. After dark. It's after dark. What did you think of Williamsburg?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god. And that movie. The after dark answer would be great, dude. He probably hates it there.

SPEAKER_04:

It's so tacky. It's so tacky. He's like, I've like made I he's like, I make I make pictures come to life. I have to like write a yeah, 12-hour documentary with freaking pictures from the Civil War. I and I got this crap I'm walking through. Yeah. Crap after dark. Shite.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Oh man. I just that was funny that he was at Williamsburg. I thought that was funny. And then um the other huge, humongous bomb that dropped today. It was just uh completely just made my week. You know, I was down this week, you know, just going through the motions at work, and I get something on I don't know if I saw it on Twitter or what. I think it might have seen it on Twitter. New doc new drama series. Is that what you want to say?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

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Of one of the great the great heroes of mental health in this country.

SPEAKER_04:

He just did so much to draw attention to it.

SPEAKER_03:

They are coming out. Netflix is releasing a four-part series, a dramatization of a friend of the show, Mr. Charles Guteau, and his path to path to being hung. Path to the uh what do they call it? What do you get hung on? Um the gallows. His path is his gun. His trip to the gallows. It's called Death by Lightning, which I don't I'd love to know what that means. Because he wasn't electrocuted. The electric chair did not exist at that time. But like, did he get struck by lightning, which made him go crazy? Is that what they're gonna did? If you guys remember, Charles Gouteau was the gem of a human who thought he had a job with uh uh James Garfield's in James Garfield's cabinet, followed him around, everyone hated him, then he shot him and blame and then said that I didn't kill him. The doctors who let him get infected are the ones who killed him.

SPEAKER_04:

He's not he's not wrong. He would have made a great lawyer. I mean, if he was half sane.

SPEAKER_03:

And there's it's a it's a studded cast.

SPEAKER_04:

The the trailer had real people in it.

SPEAKER_03:

The trailer had a great soundtrack to it, and boy oh boy, am I excited for that one.

SPEAKER_04:

Michael Shannon plays President James Garfield, Nick Offerman is Chester Arthur. Was Chester Arthur his uh vice president, I guess? This is his vice president, yeah. Then yeah, the guy McFadden, yeah, McFadden in his the role of his career playing the Charles J.

SPEAKER_03:

Gateau. The trailer makes it seem like an epic, like that it's all very, you know, intense and it's a it's a good story, but there's a great little snippet, which is phenomenal. Our boy Charles Gateau is somewhere in an office and he's getting ejected. He's getting kicked out and asking for a job repeatedly. His response was I'm a taxpayer, eat shit. After dark. I hope this is the most after dark show of all time.

SPEAKER_04:

So it's based off a book called Destiny of the Republic: A Tale of Madness, Medicine, and the Murder of a President. Came out in 2011. Oh man, I can't wait. I can't wait, dude. I can't wait. That's amazing. I can't believe it. Shout him out.

SPEAKER_03:

We could tweet him out. I did I texted our a couple of our fans and our um big fan of this show, Dick Pepperfield, of course, always with the witty responses. I said I said the I sent the link and said, This is gonna be lit, fam, to which Mr. Dick Pepperfield said, Did you two will this into existence? Which I like to think we did.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I think our fans in Kenya did. I think our Kenyan fans came to LA and were obviously causing enough ruckus to make this happen for us.

SPEAKER_03:

It's gonna be great. I can't wait, dude. So we'll be talking about that for sure on an episode. Maybe we'll have to do a four-part episode on that. I don't know. I don't know how we're gonna do it. We we failed so many times reviewing things that I'm a little worried about it. Like our revolution. We can't do a revolution. It's gonna be the hottest thing of the it's gonna be the hottest thing of the year.

SPEAKER_04:

We're very pumped.

SPEAKER_03:

Did you tell Max? Did you tell Max G about it? We'll watch with him.

SPEAKER_04:

I'll be off insist, he watches it.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh man, I can't wait. So fans, you we got a couple softballs thrown our thrown our way, I think, coming up. So hopefully it gets us back on the mics. I know everybody missed us.

SPEAKER_04:

Nick Offerman is Jester Arthur. Wow. That's gonna be something.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't wait. I hope they paint Mr. Gateau as the hero of the film.

SPEAKER_04:

Like, just not crazy. I mean, I feel like they could, well, I could see an angle definitely being like a mental illness and like tying it into like modern day and like being a little bit more. Do you think so? A little more uh a little less heavy-handed as they probably were back in the day.

SPEAKER_03:

You think they're gonna hit up they're you think they're gonna hit up the um the the prayer that or the song that he sang or whatever?

SPEAKER_04:

I was thinking that. I was like, are they gonna have that's a good prop bed show? How many times does he ask for a job? I'm going to the Lordy.

SPEAKER_03:

He sure was, which why was that not the title of the doc of the show? I'm going to the Lordy, I'm so glad. I am going to the Lordy, I am so glad. I am going to the Lordy. Glory hallelujah. Glory hallelujah. I am going to the Lordy. Wasn't there another thing where he fell in love with like one of the media people or whatever? I mean, he was just he was the best. He was absurd.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. I mean, he had a pretty he was pretty far out ahead of everyone else that we covered in that episode. I know. John Shrink was kind of funny too, but not as funny.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, what was his deal?

SPEAKER_04:

He tried to kill Roosevelt.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, well, Strank was like he was you. That's why it was right. He was like a constitutionalist, right? And that he was all upset because he was running for founding fathers.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_03:

You can't run for another term because the founding father said no.

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Right.

SPEAKER_03:

That was his big thing. Yeah. And he was like, wasn't Teduz Kosciusko like his like favorite person?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, he dropped his name, yeah. And like a list of names. Yeah. That's why they're on the ticket. My ticket, my voting ticket.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, fans, we're back on the mic. This was uh, you know, an after dark episode, so it was unscripted. I we probably rambled. We're probably not going to get uh, I don't know. I'm a little I don't know. I think we did okay. We got off topic a little bit.

SPEAKER_04:

It's fine. We were most of the episode was setting the topic. It's fine. It's after dark. It's true. Maybe we'll do a couple more after dark episodes. The whole episode was really about telling people about these new shows. Especially coming on guitau. Do we need to tell our fans that we're not doing the state thing, or is that implied? Are we not? I still have my notes.

SPEAKER_03:

Emily M texted me. She's like, thank God you guys stopped that episode. It was one. The Delaware one. When I like cut it off, it was like, yeah, we bombed it. Remember that? You don't remember how I did that episode?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, it wasn't our best work.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait, you actually we actually released it? Yes. I released like the first half. How did we what did we talk about that? I was like, oh, I gotta like I gotta release this gem. I gotta I gotta get this part out. I forget. I forget what all happened there. Then we were gonna do then the last thing we were going to um review our trip to um down to uh Virginia where we went to um God. We should do that still. Um Charlottesville. Yeah. We went to um why can't I think of uh why can't I think of these names? Monticello. Monticello, Montpellier, and Highland. Highland question mark? Yeah, there's a little bit of there's some good stories in there. It's good to be back. Sure is. Sure is. I don't know when the next one's gonna be. Maybe I don't know, fans, let us know. You guys want to hear a recap of our trip down to Charlottesville? Charlottesville? Yes. You want to hear a recap of the just let us know. I still have the notes available, and maybe it would be more fun to just rehash it out six weeks later. I don't know. Did I see what the bad day in history for today is? What day is it today? October 10th? If it was like September 11th, it'd be funny. Like talk about a bad day at work.

SPEAKER_04:

We bought a new car on September 11th.

SPEAKER_03:

Bad day in history for October what day is it today? The 11th 10th. 10th. The Reign of Terror. October 10th, 1793. The reign of terror, man used in the name of reason. In the aftermath of the French Revolution, a violent retribution known as the Reign of Terror was launched against perceived enemies of the new state, including God. Thousands were sent to the guillotine guillotine while the Almighty was officially banished. Reason to be France's new deity, revolutionary leader Joseph Fouchet. Fouchet decreed on October 10th, 1793, the only sexual worse worship would be that of the universe of universal morality. Fouché even ordered the supreme being out of the graveyards with the Christian promise of resurrection replaced at their entrances with the atheistic message, death is the eternal sleep. Yikes. Shit was popping off after dark. Shit was popping off in France in the 1700s, dude.

SPEAKER_04:

A few Republican marriages, and yeah. They tie people together and they stab them and throw them in this river scene. That was their marriage? They called it a repo quote Republican marriage. They were just like murdering couples. They were just like murdering people. It's just men and women. I don't know if they were necessarily together, but yeah, they would tie them up, stab them, and then like throw them in the river water. Because they were religious? Either religious or they were just deemed as enemies. Which it wasn't just religious people, it was not just the clergy, it was aristocracy. Eventually the more moderates. The Jardin. That would be interesting, but obviously it's French. I don't know how interesting it'd be. A lot of stuff happened in the French Revolution. A lot of crazy stuff.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

A lot of gate a lot of gateau types. You think so? Came out the woodwork. Oh, for sure. They restarted their calendar for like day zero and they called it like some crazy name. It was literally one of those, yeah, it was those types of things. Yeah. That's why they've got Napoleon. Try to recenter it a little bit.

SPEAKER_03:

Your boy. Your boy. I always thought Napoleon was like universally known as a bad person, but like it's he's a he's kind of a complicated figure, as Benedict Arnold probably is being considered in Ken Bern's documentary.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, he had the Napoleonic Code, which was like educating education. There was like a lot of stuff he did that actually kind of Yeah, he was a tyrant, but I don't think he's of the sort of like Mao or Stalin or Hitler. Yeah, he was moving in on other people, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like if you took out the world domination aspect of his reign, like maybe he was meant well. Our boy Tadoos saw right through it though. He did. Avril uh judge of character, our boy Todoos shoes go.

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Mr.

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Mustard. You got anything else to leave the fans with, John? Nope. We missed it. I need a new catchphrase. You're gonna get a new catchphrase? Need one. We need one for after dark. Is it just money talks bullshit walks? Remember it, fans? You'll have to get ChatGPT out on that one. Alright, fans. Hope you enjoyed it. Keep your freedoms close at heart. They're going away. Thanks to our buddy in the White House. And Woodrow Wilson and Alexander Hamilton.